/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*

>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

Miko hitting 45K?

45k for miko

>>19759325
>>19759263
KNEELCHADS ASSEMBLE!

>>19759325
Japanese gacha addiction is real

HOLY SHIT 49K

50K incoming?r

>>19759252
>>19759252
>>19759252
real thread

>>19759465
kys

>>19759429
Sorry Miko, 50k is for grownups

Sock anon . . .

>>19759487
Fubuki collab started

Fuck, she got her pull just before 50k

>>19759510
well at least the sock is safe from anon's mouth, since miko returned before she hit 50k

>>19759535
fug, if only she rolled until spark..

Is this guaranteed for gold or anything can challenged it today?

>>19759577
no way pekora's sekiro will reach that lmao

Jesus christ horse gacha

And pekora changed the time to catch the funnel too, another 30k incoming?

>>19759577
I can't think of anything scheduled that could beat it.

>>19759592
Just recovering her 35k yesterday would be impressive considering the collab overlap.

Horse gacha + the konbini run. Fandeads turned in for the Rushia special.

Full gamers collab just hit 10k from the getgo. How high can it go?

25k?

Wait was Chammer and festival competing with karaoke or sth?

>>19759660
fubuki is also streaming her pov btw

>>19759660
13k on FBK as well

>>19759640
Also her progress is now behind Flare. Probably 27k max tonight

>>19759616
Didn't realise the rabbit was started

>>19759684
Don't think so, there was Matsuri, Haachama and Lui doing karaoke in that slot IIRC

Even when Hololove is doing idol reps, they are still dominating.

>>19759752
Lui started two hours earlier, she's just reading superchats then

>>19759577
Miko missed 50k because Pekora started around the same time of the peak

What the fuck Pekora change schedule I thought I have time to prepare for her stream tonight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJqCyCoZ4wA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJqCyCoZ4wA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJqCyCoZ4wA

Idol costume + Announcement

>>19759753
HoloFes3 might get 100k buys at this rate. And I'm downplaying it.

>>19759810
The lowest cap for Hololive is around 1 million viewers, so it might go as far as 300-400k tickets sold.

>>19759785
>because Pekora started
It was not that. Miko got her pull right after hitting 49.5k and it dipped

>>19759838
If that's the case, Holo Fes alone can give talents a fucking good payday.

Miko you did good
now release the 30k people damnit

Someone explain to me all the threads about "Noctyx didn't do as well as expected". Isn't their sub growth even better than Luxiem's? Just feels like a repeat of last time where people kept insisting Luxiem flopped until it became clear that they couldn't anymore.

>>19759807
From what i understand a 5th Gen idol costume live?

>>19759753
>dominating
>Vox is mogging all the Holos in SCs
Rumao

>>19759810
With heavy hitters from Myth attending, I doubt it will be that low.

>>19759899
yep everyone in 5th gen is getting it.

>>19759885
>Someone explain to me all the threads
Shitposters shitting the catalog. Scroll past and ignore?

>>19759810
>>19759838
that seems insane, that's 5-10M$
is the saying that Holofes essentially pays Cover's budget for the year actually true?

>>19759810
I just realized that Holo Fes 3 is next week already. Time sure flies.

>>19759941
Anon, this fes has almost all Holo members attending, plus Myth and ID1 as well. Fans all over the world will be watching. They will make a lot of money.

>>19759941
why do you think it's worth for them to dip on streaming so much for it man

>>19759880
30k people wanted to watch the Horsegirl MV
The gatcha looses some charm if you don't also enjoy the girl after?

>>19759885
Because their numbers when they start streaming games are barely 2k

>>19759993
Not to mention the merch from HoloExpo will be sold loke hotcakes.

>>19759941
>that seems insane, that's 5-10M$
It will be crazy seeing the next Cover financial statement

>>19759885
You're confused because you don't look at context of numbers. Answer one simple question and you might be able to work it out. What happened between Luxiem's debut and Noctyx's debut? Specifically in terms of viewership.

>>19759885
see pic related

Rushia must be seething on missing out on the cut.

>>19760020
I wonder if HoloID2 and Council will get their share of Expo money even if they can't attend HoloFes 3

>>19760047
Aren’t they doing some expo exclusives? It’s sort of fun to see scalpers go to ton on these things because if gives you a good indication of demand.

>>19760086
Yesterday she got more than that from Orca-kun

>>19760133
kek orca still simping for her roommate?

>>19759885
Did you already forget how the nijiniggers were celebrating like they just won the olympics or something when noctyx got 60k on debut? Pushback when they declined this far this fast is only natural.

>>19760086
She just got $35k yesterday I'm sure she's fine

>>19760086
p sure the mental asylum escapees that followed her will make sure she has enough

>>19760080
Those were still good.
>>19759885
It's because they're almost all in the 2-5k CCV range now like Ike or Shu, when it's barely been a week and Vox, Mysta and Luca have inclined to over 10k pretty regularly.

It's the perspective thing, but it's also way too early for them, they're still in Luxiem's shadow and haven't established their stream audience, maybe outside of Fulgur.

>>19760097
They have fuckloads of new exclusive expo/fes merch. Look through their twitter.
https://twitter.com/hololive_event

>>19759941
Look at it this way. For a single merch run Pekora generates over a million in revenue. Miko makes over 200k in an hour. HoloEN almost immediately sold out everything but S and M sizes on their Omocat run so easily six figures in days (heh. Talk about playing to stereotypes). This is their biggest event ever and they are using 50 talents. If each one can generate 100k on average that’s 5 million right there. Some are bigger, some are smaller but Choco sold 50k in fucking cookbooks. Think bigger. With sponsors and merch it could be multiple times that number

>>19760080
Damn debut buff died not even a week after debut
3k average after a month i guess.

>>19759810
Do you have the link for the online ticket buying portion? I think today is the day I get my ticket to watch

>>19760176
right, this paints a clearer picture

>>19760232
>sold out everything but S and M sizes
Ameriburgers... ;-(

>>19760168
>>19760166
Well I'm happy for her roommate.

>>19760176
I think Alban and Yugo are the ones to keep an eye on. They seem to be the ones poised to become breakout successes, while the other three will maintain a small but loyal fanbase.

>>19760261
https://virtual.spwn.jp/_events/22031901-jphololive3rdfes

>>19760307
Awesome, thank u anon

>>19760156
No shit where have you been? People were making threads about him, just him alone

>>19760280
One of Kiara’s biggest (heh) fans was lamenting the lack of xxxxl size options.

> gen5 idol outfit
Early predictions for this relay?

I say it reaches 70k on the main channel but not in any of the girls, and it goes (in order of peak CCV)

> Botan > Lamy > Nene > Polka

>>19760361
People was crying for him, they didn't realize he had already been saved.

>>19760086
nah she's fine. she's still raking cash.
her merch earning will surely be missed though, since merch earnings is like 2-5 times more than total superchat.

>>19759941
>is the saying that Holofes essentially pays Cover's budget for the year actually true?
there is a reason popstars like Madonna and Ja rule and the like whose songs sell millions worldwide do live concerts so much, the profit margins on concerts is insane. One good concert could literally make more money than the entire company gets through streaming in five years.

I'm willing to be that a huge portion of the profit they made in 2020 is because holofes 2 took place immediately after they blew up in the west.

Stated in the last thread

Migo will be studied for generations on how to achieve being the perfect living anime character. Migo is the closest we have ever come to making anime real. This girl is wild.

>>19760361
been busy with the past 3D lives and in their threads. Last week was wild. I didn't pay attention to the details of the threads on the catalog.

If this Fes is a massive success, consider Hololove to have surpassed Nijisanji is the defacto head of vtubing world.

What do you think about this one merch?

>>19760467
There is no way it isn't a huge success. The hype going into Fes 2 was pretty huge and the hype for this one is dwarfing it.

Four 20k+ streams damn

>>19760451
>Migo is the closest we have ever come to making anime real
Suisei too

>>19760483
Holy shit, Day 1 is buff as fuck!!!!!!!

>>19760483
pretty basic concert shit, i've seen shit like that at a bunch of normie events

>>19760302
I think they're all pretty good, or at least have enough qualities to differentiate them among the 20+ NijiEN-ers, including the EN adjacent.

It was just way too early for them, and they're right in the middle of Vox and Luca's big inclines so all eyes are on those, with very little excitement for Noctix.
It's Ethyria all over again, as 1/2 of people here expected, though, they're not cannibalizing viewers as much as then, in fact the announcement at least increased the NijiEN overall audience, even if Noctis aren't getting most of the share.

Who is the guy who keep making these Miko shill posts? I do not recognize this style of posting

>>19760483
What do you mean? Its pretty standard concert merch

>>19760515
what's the total holo numbers across the board?

>>19760381
it'd probably hit peak somewhere around 40-50k

>>19760536
Are you using stage performance for judgement?

>>19760483
outdated.

>>19760541
Im talking about a name that shouldnt be there anymore, and its already too late to change it

>>19760558
>I think they're all pretty good
>all pretty good
>Fungus Covid exists
They are certainly not all pretty good

>>19760381
15 min is barely enough to recover the waiting room, unless they start a "waiting" screen 5 minutes ahead.

They might just be like the G4 reveals, short catwalk videos.

>>19760483
Why is marine not capitalized I'm going insane

>>19760536
Always has been. With Rushia out Day 2 is even weaker
At least it will get carried by oshi ticket

>>19760563
100k across seven streams, give or take a few

>>19760381
15 min each? This will screw numbers for sure.

>>19760601
oh yeah lmao, i just noticed it
could sell it to schizos on resell shit after a while, but that never ends up making too much

>>19760601
No one really cares. Even her gachis seem to acknowledge she’s fucking crazy. Shame but oh well

la+ .... why play mori game
mori forced her to play?

>>19760613
>>19760629
Wait, what, it's 15 min? Not hitting 40k tho

>>19760561
35p are flexing right now and fucking hell do they have every right too.

>125k 3D live
>Said 3D live was also one of the best ever done from a pure quality stand point too
>500k in merch moved in less than a day
>achieving near 50k while not even being at the stream

Migo is fucking hot right now.

>>19760644
why are nijiniggers like this?

>>19760644
i mean, koyo and chloe already played it and iroha speedruns it, doesn't surprise me she'd play it at some point

>>19760667
>t. 35p

>>19760761
t. nousagi

>>19760381
15 minutes is too short for the ccv stabilize, wont be too high

>>19760667
Right I'm not saying it's wrong to flex, just that I do not recognize this style of posting, it's like a new 35p suddenly feel like flexing in /#/

>>19760644
It's a joke, she already stopped after two minutes. She promised during Mori's English lessons with Iroha and Gura she would give it a try.

>>19760536
Day 2 looks pretty good. It has Sora who always fucking kills it in these shows. It has Aki who is the best dancer in Hololive. It has idol rep boosted Aqua. It has Mori who is right there with Suisei as the most popular music artist in Hololive. Then it has fucking treerat herself, Ayunda Risu, who I am dying to see perform on stage.

>>19760381
>15 minutes
it will do like shit
bold prediction, nene beats lamy

JWU, anything happened on bizzardo /vt/ today/yesterday?

>>19760381
>relay
have they not learned? they'll be back to 2k ccv average in 2 weeks

>>19760761
>>19760782
what is wrong with nijiniggers?

* Streams over 10k now *
> Phasmo beating Sekiro on Holo side
> Vampire Survivors beating Elder Ring on niji side
FromSoft intern on suicide watch?

>>19760807
>new
Sounds familiar and to be fair he has the right to brag in the numbers thread

>>19760813
What a kusogaki, love it.

People seem to be talking about Myth doing idol reps with VR, but what do you think about ID1? Will they rent a studio or with VR?

So anything come out from the rrat that yt is gonna implement new ccv count from that anon whose friend works in yt?

>>19760813
>>19760882

>>19760813
>>19760882
I think the challenge was "if I fall back to the start the stream ends"

She faceplanted immediately

>>19760644
>jumo king
>mori game
be less new you fucking nigger

So Migo overall gold and IRyS EN gold?

>>19760644
Mori senpai is a bully, I hope gen 6 doesn't leak her lean addiction to dramatubers we had enough drama as it is.

>>19760894
"My dad works at Nintendo" tier

>>19760935
Should be yeah

Lmao wtf was that? Did youtube glitched out for a few seconds?

* streams over 10k so far *
A day a little top heavy

>>19761076
Gamer getting pretty good numbers there

IRyS' Identity just hit 100k after 10 hours. Not the insane numbers we have seen from some songs but this seems good for her. Its also on pace to outperform the Okayu/Lui version which is at 137k after 24 hours.

https://youtu.be/SqrwHmo_sGg

>>19760936
why are nijiniggers like this?

>>19761122
well she actually did it properly this time and promoted it during a massive event, unlike her previous covers where it was just dropped out of nowhere

Cover is progressing steadily, making the right judgments and not being swayed on making quick decisions without giving it time. The success of Holofest will be the guarantor of any future projects and a boon to investors.

For once, I don't understand why Anycolor would fall back to their old shotgun route when it's been going so well for their EN branch. Do they really need to be greedy all the time or are they spending too much on unnecessary stuff? I mean, they have more employees than Cover and are situated at an expensive office building.

>>19761076
Toya fucking slips.

>>19761151
Her previous covers were Hololive songs which she wasn’t allowed to promote iirc.

>>19761122
I'm sure the quality is also boosting it. I love Okayu and Lui but IRyS' version of the song is just flat out better. She killed it.

>>19761172
Actually, Cover had more employees now. That’s how much they’ve been on a hiring spree.

>>19761172
It's the only thing they know how to do so I guess that saying about hammers and nails is accurate. Also, given how their other foreign branches have faired the EN branch is probably being handled directly by JP Hq and I'm guessing this is the niji equivalent of corporate intervention

>>19759684
not really no, it's just that gen 1 doesn't have the coordination to not overlap, they overlap each other almost all the time, but with haachama more than anyone
but to think the difference was only 1k is pretty impressive, they didn't affect each other at all since that's almost what they regular karaoke numbers are, as far as I know thy probably didn't know they were streaming over each other

>>19761172
Riku is agressive, he is obsessed with the idea of Nijification, which is to associate vtubing with Niji.
He did this in JP, now he is doing this in EN.

>>19760914
Yep, here she goes again
https://youtu.be/Mr89BVuu4hs

>>19761253
i think at this point gen1 has been around for so long and they do so little together that they don't overlap too much

>>19761274
>He did this in JP
Did he?

>>19760894

>>19761330
In the early days yeah, and then Hololive exploded.

anons does koyori not attract tourists? 11k on vs is kinda low for someone like her who usually gets 8-9k regularly, looking at her chat stats it's mostly greens too

>>19761330
Not anymore lol

>>19761274
And yet Hololive got associated with vtubing instead. Funny how that turned out.

>>19761274
>now he is doing this in EN.
If you mean in the North American market he's not even close.
Now, if you mean in the branch with EN in the name but the audience in Asia, he's not even close either

>>19761366
too much unnecessary stream volume scares tourist and casual viewers.

>>19761366
The competition is legit right now

>>19761366
regular from koyo here, it's because she's p bad, her last VS stream was 2 and a half hours of running face first into a wall
she got better for today, and it showed in the numbers since she beat her previous stream

Can someone tell that stupid rabbit not to jump straight into the enemy attack?

>>19761374
I’d say for male vtubers it appears that way, even if most of the audience is from Asia.

>>19761172
They are in shambles anon pulisu undasando, need more fujo fund after all the cancelled events and sponsors

>>19761446
she was doing fine earlier, but she's now getting tilted and that's clearly affecting her movements

>>19761450
Then Connor needs to start learning how to speak Ching chong.

>>19761438
ah I see, ngl I don't even know what kind of game it is since my oshi has not and will probably never play it but I guess being good at it is a big factor? holos aren't that great at elden ring but they get good views
>>19761427
true but to have so little tourists? chat looks like it's members only kek

>>19761398
Literally the opposite mate, she streams so much she scares all gachikoi because it's literally impossible to catch up with her streams.

>>19761172
Remember when people said last week that it's over for Hololive because Rushia got fired.
Turns out it's nothing and hololive is still the same as ever.

>>19761450
>I’d say for male vtubers it appears that way,
I would say that would be true for JP male vtubers and it being associated with Nijisanji but EN have to walk a long walk before getting to the level of name recognition and success of their JP senpai even in the asian market

>>19761330
NTA but if anything, the shotgun approach only diluted the brand power of the Nijisanji name. Not in terms of the brand being worthless. If anything, the Nijisanji brand continues to be well known in JP. The issue is the brands power to buff its own livers personal brand. Once upon a time, being a Niji was a seal of quality. Nowadays anyone can be a Niji which to be fair is where the whole nijisanjification schtick comes from. Being a Holo is different. HoloX debuts was pretty much the equivalent of a 5 day chuuba E3. No advertisement aside from an announcement, just pure word of mouth. The early gens of Nijisanji and some standouts still retain a bit of mystique but it's nothing like Hololive's currently.

>>19761539
being good at VS is p important to get good numbers with it, we've had several examples already of holos getting just their regular numbers with it because they aren't that good
it's also why botan got such a good number with it, she was fucking stomping it

Nene's 3D is back up for all regions btw, i dont know since when

>>19761371
Nijisanji are still the mainstream vtubing company, hololive are the idol vtubers though in all honesty that doesn't mean much when the very fact that hololive was hired to shill Heaven Burns Red for 2 weeks made mobile game pundits exclaim that it'd probably cost at least 100 million yen for a group as popular as that with multiple 1M subbed streamers. The hololive brand is pretty prestigious right now.

>>19761507
Connor actually used to do the shit that Vox does but he hated it iirc

>>19761612
ooh, nice

>>19761619
He did it for free too kek, for scraps of ad revenue

I’m not watching Peko right now but she’s taking a severely long time to climb. Not saying her numbers are bad or anything, just asking if she’s just bad at the game so people aren’t coming to tune in or if it’s a boring portion?

>>19761661
Stuck on the same boss since yesterday and it's one she already beat 2 years ago.

>>19761661
Yes she is bad at the game. Being surpassed by Flare at the same time yesterday is not a good sight
She losing her number pretty fast

>>19761661
Nah, she is just that bad.

>>19761366
VS is unironically stale at this point bro.
The only ones who'd still get a decent buff out of VS is first time players like Marine/Subaru

>>19761603
I wonder what happened with their recruitment. Their early waves had pretty much the best people to this day in the company.

>>19761661
She's been stuck at the same boss for a little over an hour now

>>19760892
They are doing it behind the scenes, Iofi said they're working on choreography dance

Lap is back to playing JK again with 13k viewers watching
Also jesus christ her keyboard is loud as fuck
https://youtu.be/Mr89BVuu4hs

So anons, how long do you think Luxiem fujo pandering will last? And what do you think they should do after fujopander no longer bring in numbers and sc?

kek, Subaru spaghetti hands with DeepL doing her dirty.

Tweet already deleted, direct translation would be "dark past", "cringe past" instead of "black history" but the watermelons plus the mistranslation surely didn't help convey what she was trying

>>19761772
When the old CEO was replaced our precious Riku.

>>19760892
Yeah all the myth girls have been talking about singing and dancing. Gura looks like she wants to go full Idol judging by her members only. ID1 would be easier to rent a studio due to their somewhat close proximity.

>>19761888
Forever. It can work forever too.

>>19761894
Of course she does it right after black history month ended. This could have been so hilarious though ngl.

>>19761902
From what I recall, Riku was always the CEO of Ichikara, Iwanaga was the one in charge of Nijisanji though.

>>19761943
Good thing her JP fans told her to "delet this" and she did

>>19761894
Next oozora police is subaru busting all the niggers.

>>19761852
I hate mechanical keyboards in streams.

Hers was already loud af but now she has a better mic and it's closer to her.

>>19761913
I wonder if Pomu, Fulgur and their gang will watch HoloFes to see Myth kek

>>19761894
Holy fucking kek

So I was looking at IRyS' superchats from her birthday stream and this spread is pretty insane.

>>19762104
Fulgur will be one of the restreamers

>doing another 100k celebration

>>19761894
I can see it already.

Subaru vs the city of Detroit. Niggers busting.

>>19762104
Gotta check out if Holotech is in shambles

>>19762191
He didn’t get enough money from the first one. I think he was expecting Vox numbers.

>>19762176
Who the hell as these Taiwanese traitors?

>>19762191
>Anykara is in shambles, need more fujo money, purisu andastando

>>19762191
>doing double celebrations for the same thing
Kind of pathetic but at the same time Hololive fans are pretty much in agreement that Gura won't do a single 4 million celebration which is weird in its own right.

>>19762104
That reminds me, I think Kiara is doing a watchalong of Day 1, should boost ticket sales a little bit.

>>19762191
>week 1 recap
kek

Do you think NijiEN members expect to have their own 3D debut as well?

>>19762243
Shut up chink

>>19762271
I'm just gonna wait for test anons at global

>>19762271
If she has pre recorded her stuff, why can't she do day 2 too?

>>19762243
Holos always got a ton of NT$ retard

>>19761852
16k and rising
Guess the table-slamming rage and the "motherfucker" really made more people interested in watching

>>19762271
last year Kiara and gen5 did watchalongs to it
this year it should be holox and honestly one of councils should take over Kiaras part

>>19762298
In two years

>>19762362
Pathetic, no wonder their women all watch Luxiem.

>>19762191
It's funny how shameless they are. Vox must be seething that he didn't think about double celebrations before, this newbie is innovating

>>19762420
500k celebration at JP time, then NA time

Flare 15k!

>>19762420
I think they should do celebration streams for ever single individual sub they get!

>>19762391
Gen 5 was an official watchalong and then Kiara was made “official” last minute by A-Chan.
I think this year they will have X do the official watchalong. I can see Bae do a watchalong as well seeing how she did one for the Stars concert.

>>19762391
If anyone's going to do a watchalong, it's probably going to be Bae or IRyS

>>19762448
I will do you one better.

500k celebration at NA time, EU time, India time, China time, JP time and NZ time.

>>19762412

>>19762420
> this newbie is innovating
kek, Nina had three (IIRC) monetization streams, one in EN, one in RU and one in FR

>>19762504
They should also do an additional celebration that is blasted out into space so living beings not on this planet can hear it.

>>19760450
This. As long as you’re not financially reckless like The Who in their prime or going autistic about venue choice like Pink Floyd for The Wall, concerts are generally huge moneymakers.

>>19762449
Sasuga hafu erufu.

>>19762529
Kek, they really know how to do it.

>>19760450
Concerts >>>>>>>>>>> albums

Pekora awful timing is arguably even worse than her chess skill. It's really painful to watch.

>>19762646
Why do you think Kuzuha is going the concert route, dude loves money.

>>19762478
>>19762492
yeah Bae or IRyS are probably good choices. Maybe even both enjoying it together. always fun when holos can bounce off of each others reactions

>>19756011
except for the OP image. that one was pretty bad.

>>19762646
Album's profit is literally meme, especially for singers

>>19762701
depends on the label's contract

>>19762701
Only for singers signed to a label

>>19759103
She's so beautiful

>>19762701
Luckily for Hololive talents, they’re not signed to a label. Man, I can’t imagine how much Suisei made from her album and concert. She’s still consistently making a passive $7k in albums sales per week.

Numberfags if you have to choose which one do you think will bring better numbers:
1. Being good at games.
2. Being entertainingly bad at games.

>>19762931
I don't think skill at games or lack thereof has anything to do with numbers.

>>19762931
Personally, good at games. Pretending to be bad would take a toll mentally sooner or later. I'd rather be someone like asmon who has plays their own flavor game or timmy/aceu on Apex.

>>19760076
I don't watch them... what happened?

>>19762931
2

Ambribaboo indeed.
Pekora finally beat Genichiro, we might see a good change in numbers afterwards.

>>19760176
speaking of audience building...
do NijiEN have collab bans during the initial weeks? Or do they just debut and start doing collabs immediately?

>>19762931
1 if you could. You have to be pro levels of good tho.

>>19762931
Botan and Lamy recently played VS and Elden Ring, and Botan has always better numbers.

>>19762804
Sora... she still stuck with that shitty label if hers

>>19762931
1, no matter how entertaining you are, some games just make for frustrating watches if you're too bad, and honestly 1 seems to get better peaks, like look at aqua's apex master run or suzy's usual tetris numbers compared to other games
people like peko or gura tend to get p bad numbers relatively speaking if they're bad even if they're fun to watch, there's plenty of peko's examples but for gura iirc, something like this happened with dmc
2 is too unreliable

Irys doll is her most popular merch so far. Almost double the sales of her other merch.
>>19763080
They have a month ban on collabs outside of their branch.

>>19762931
>GTA
1. Miko
2. IRyS

>>19763080
nope, they can just start collabing with everyone from the moment they debut

>>19762931
It depends
1 Is good if the game is a buff popular new game as you are bound to always be ahead in terms of content.
2 Will carry hard in times when the game you are playing is absolute dogshit(slog) to play through.
My favorite example of this is the viewer gap between Faker who is considered as one of the best league players and Tyler1 who is the goddamn clown of league but will pull 40k viewers in his challenge streams and 1st day of season streams

>>19762931
2 since you'd run the risk of being tied to the game's popularity, like how all the big Fortnite content creators declined along with the game

>>19762931
1 is better but if you don't have the skills for it 2 isn't far off and is much better than being mediocre

>>19763170
The doll is cute, and is the one item that DOESN'T overlap Bae's set. It makes sense that those who have already picked up Bae's set or already have a bunch of rubber mats would instead go for the doll.

>>19763197
Not correct.
The have a branch collab ban for the first month? 2 weeks? but within the branch they're free to collab right away.

https://youtu.be/xWyzVUuAKHI

>>19763342
ToT

>>19763342
uoh

>>19763080
They can collab with anyone except indogs. Now that they have axed the ID branch, there's no more restriction whatsoever.

>>19763342
hasn't she played this already with iroha heckling in the background, i think i remember something like that

>>19763387
? Was it ID specific
Well, that makes more sense then.

>>19763436
ID speaks English that's why.

111k for korekore talking about Lauren

>>19763436
Nah, it’s just that Millie tried collabing with ID the week after she debut and got her hand slapped. It’s weird since I don’t think they had the collab ban in place for Lazulight/Obsydia.

>>19763472
nothingburger

>>19763472
Is he just enjoying the views or is he saying anything new?

>>19763472
Nippleboi...

>>19763472
how high was menhera chan, i remember either 130 or 150

>>19762931
People replying with 1 forget that even if you are pro levels of good at 1 game, that doesn't mean you will be as good in other games. So you end up becoming a one trick pony tied to the popularity of the game you are playing. If the game declines (like all games), you will decline
People watch streamers for the entertainment value. Maybe some tryhard will get triggered by you being bad, but the amount of casuals that don't care about the game will still watch you because you are entertaining.

>>19763472
kek make this the next op

>>19763518
Unless Lauren contact him like a certain retard I don't think he gonna have any new info

>>19763543
wasn't it 180k?

>>19763573
He could always contact the pornstar I guess

>>19761603
wasn't this the exact thing spouted by that one note.com blogpost long back?
The one that started the Aqua = Nijikiller meme

>>19763108
Botan is more entertaining and her laughter is addictive. Lamy is bland

>>19763572
the other thread is still up so we should use that one first

>>19761894
> 黒歴史
Oh my fucking god you precious duck hahahaha

>>19762271
...isn't she actually participating in the live?
that would be kinda weird, she should let her kouhais do it

>>19763733
she's participating on Day 2 anon

>>19763640
It's actually very hard to explain exactly why you should not engage with black culture to a foreigner. They just don't have the context.

>>19763606
It sounds like it, then again even schizo nonsense from note makes logical sense once in a while.

>>19763733
Kiara is on Day 2 so she doesn’t perform on that day (Ame/Ina/Gura).

>>19763342
>also
Her thumbnail game is as strong as friend's

>>19763787
For numbers Gura should watchalong day 2.

>>19763170
>outside of their branch.
...that's kinda pointless when their branch has 15 other people.
if you're not establishing your own audience, what's the point of it?

>>19762931
1 is way harder to achieve, but is pretty consistent in viewer retention since good plays are always amazing to watch.
2 is pretty easy to achieve, just pretend to be retarded while spewing monke noises. Give good numbers for the first stream but will fall off hard if repeated excessively since people just get bored with the monke noises and get frustrated in watching the bad plays instead.
If you're a variety streamer, go the 2 route. Just get bunch of games where you can make monke noises at, rotate it and you will always keep high numbers.
If you're already at the 1 route though, it gives consistent high numbers without the need to reinvent yourself or anything, so in a sense it's a comfy route.

>>19763733
EN/ID parts are pre-recorded anyway
they only appear in the beginning for 5 mins sing may be 1 song and fuck off just like gen 4 on 2nd fes

>>19763772
most of the stuff they put on note at least makes logical sense if you don't squint too much, it's how they get clicks in the first place.
Or in this case even if you squint all the way.

>>19763342

>>19762182
didn't Artemis get caught in one of the twitch restreams last year

>>19763932
kek yeah, I think that tanked him
someone should keep watch on the usernames on the poorfag streams, there might actually be some EN dumb enough to show up

>>19763863
The current EN strategy seems to be to constantly collab and hang out in VC so the audience is basically one giant blob (if that makes any sense).
>>19763932
Yeah, Artemis got caught and tried to lie about it.

>>19763932
What's he up to nowaday anyway?

>>19762931
>Being good at games
Pretty sure it only applies with Apex

>>19763865
>If you're already at the 1 route though, it gives consistent high numbers without the need to reinvent yourself or anything, so in a sense it's a comfy route.
Unless the game for whatever reason starts to fall off in popularity, in which case you better pivot really quickly or all those hours spent practicing the game is going to go into the pooper really quickly

>>19761888
This >>19761927
If Rushia or Neko can still do it, so can Luxiem

>>19759810
Hololive JP has only gotten more popular since their last holofes, and the fact that EN will be attending is going to be a literal gamechanger in the amount of tickets sold. Gura and Calli alone, I can't imagine how many tickets they will sell, but all of Myth is going to be a turboboost to sales because its such a different market. Last Holofes was confirmed at least 50k by yagoo in an article...I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they hit 150k+ ticket sales. Then there's HoloX which has a further new market for next holofes. This is only going to get bigger.

>>19764051
Not entirely. There's two ways to look at it
>Can 'git gud' at a game relatively quick as a variety streamer so you can hype people up in 3-4 plays of the game and get it done
>Hyperspecialized into genres
The first lets you bounce through a bunch of games while keeping your audience engaged so they don't end up bored of someone smashing their head against the wall for 3 hours making 0 progress, while the second one means you can build an audience that likes 'those types of games'.

Ugh, King? He's getting beat by Flare of all people.
How do we save him, bros?

>>19761913
>Gura looks like she wants to go full Idol
What does this mean? Like going full AKB48 or Hannah Montana? I don't watch her or any ENs all that much but I always had the impression that they'd think idolshit is cringe inducing and weird.

>>19764159
>8th stream
>some of them were literally 12 hours long
no surprise here

>>19761888
I think as long as there's a market for it, it will be fine.
But just like Rushia, there will be people anti-ing you, looking for a single slip up to ruin you.
More so since this is the Chinese audience, and I don't think a lot of the males there will appreciate their sisters/wives/gfs simping over virtual characters (chinks aren't as cucked as Muricans after all).

>>19764204
to the contrary, some of them love the idolshit, from myth mostly kiara and gura, ina seems to like the aesthetic and ame always got super fan mode on events on like twitter, don't know if she still does it
i think it literally was just mori

>>19764159
I respect fuwa and kuzuha for not pandering hard like that whore men nijisanji en.

>>19764316
>fuwa

>>19764204
You're a fool, if you're not shitposting.
Kiara has always wanted to dive back into full idol territory.
Ina is a Hololive Superfan I'm certain.
Ame will buy into it.
Gura is a giant MikuFag and has been forever. Translating that into doing Idolshit is an ez step.
Mori wants to perform on stage. Idol stuff specifically might make her want to cringe, but given the choice of idolshit + stage or none, she'll pick the stage every time.

>>19764126
The power of each of your vtubers being their own brand I’d say. Even someone like Luna who was a shitter in Nijisanji is really valuable now.

>>19760807
As a 35p too, I support the flexing when called for.

>>19764204
It means sacrificing time and effort to invest in skills that aren't really used for streaming: dancing, choreo, stage presence, etc. It can definitely pay off but the returns come from concerts, albums, etc rather than SC and ad rev.

>>19764159
Finally i have excuse to post this

>>19763770
>They just don't have the context.
This, but Japanese culture as well.

>>19764291
Stupid womanchild with stupid womanchild dream

>>19764336
Fuwa doesn't pander, JP girls just treat him as King cause he's good looking, blue and could sing

>>19764291
Oof. I don't think Jap idol aesthetics and culture would fit western women but I'm ready to be proven wrong.

>>19764344
Anon, a lower tier Roboco of all people is her own brand.

>>19764204
*jap idolshit

>>19764342
Ina has been a Holo fan since 2018 I think? Pretty long time.

>>19764435
It strongly helps that they're not using fleshbags and are using 3d models.

>>19764435
It will fit gura. Idol gura will be fucking powerful. Just imagine the singing and dancing, an absolute monster. uooooooh

>>19764435
Nah, it's going to be like her kid's show anyway. Cancelled and gone before anyone can see it.

>>19764204
>I always had the impression that they'd think idolshit is cringe inducing and weird.
Only Calli, because her wigger scene is diametrically opposed to that, and because she has toxic “friends” keeping her away from success.

One day she’ll look back and see how much she gave away to please people invested in keeping her on their level

>>19764126
I wonder if merch anon could get the number of digital tickets sold for both days. It might be nigh impossible since it uses LAWSON e-ticket bullshit but still would be nice if we could scrape the numbers...

>>19764496
Nah, she has no fans at all so investing in her would prove a literal black hole. Plus, she can't enter Japan anyway.

>>19764503
The funny part is she tried to use her Hololive contacts to promote those friends and they shunned her iirc.

>>19764524
If anything, the number will still be less than NijiFes in the future with Luxiem.

>>19764435
>Jap idol aesthetics and culture would fit western women
It does with the slightest tweak.
> pic related

>>19764577
This, but Luxiem instead.

>>19764577
disgusting

>>19764577
Dios mio...

>>19764577
Girl groups have existed forever and still exist, also Kpop is a thing. This isn't much of a leap at all

>>19764574
>>19764607
kek, that doesn’t even make sense

Anons...
Why are you giving the anti-gura schizo the time of day? I expected better of you faggots.

>>19764356
I mean since we have merch anon now who could dig for merch numbers it's pretty evident by now that those concerts, EP and event related goods bring in a load of money, way more compared to SC and ad rev. Won't really surprise me if more are trying to go commit into that route.

>>19764645
thread's going a bit slow man, idle hands and whatever

>>19764577
It's crazy little kids especially girls love this shit.

>>19764577

>>19764661
Threads so slow for this time slot. Did they all go to the bait threads?

>>19764695
Link to JAV?

>>19764622
>Girl groups have existed forever and still exist
In this “box pushing” format of no clear “lead” I only recall Bananarama before them, and before it was pretty much just black groups from Motown (which always ended up having a lead singer).

>>19764701
/#/ is declining anon was right...

>>19764720
You haven't learned your lesson yet, Lauren?

>>19764723
Girls Generation is probably the best analogue to Hololive that I can think of and while they had their stars I never felt like they had a lead.

>>19764651
Aqua EP made 170k and Towa made 130k I think? Not really something you can ignore.

>>19764769
Don't worry anon, I will not download it this time!

>>19763866
Is it confirmed if they're on the free preshow or not?
would be kinda a funny if the ENfans got tricked to buy the tickets for something they didn't have to pay for

>>19764651
>faking enthusiasm for idol stuff solely for the money? What soulless jewessess
Is what I'd say but then I remember that not all JP holos are idol centric either so eh.

>>19760239
They're pandering to a niche female nerd audience, market get's saturated fast because there are far more male losers in this world. Also it seems like some of them actually refuse to pander so there's less reasons to watch them over the JP livers I guess.

>>19764773
Tf are you talking about taeyeon and yoona is clearly the most pushed in that group.

>>19764773
While that’s true they succeed the Spice Girls by a decade or so.

I would say the “ur example” of what would become the current virtual idol “fad” would be
> Josie and the Pussycats
and a couple of similar 70s cartoons

>>19764695
Why are they wearing uniforms? Hate Kpoop all you want but they have some sort of individuality to their outfits and fashion at least.

Why kpopsharts

>>19764866
because they are akb48 where the branding of the group is more important than the individual. Same deal with nijisanji really

>>19764843
That would be two people, not a lead.

>>19764866

>>19760447
also other stuff like studio, original songs or whatever was planned for her hololive Alternative, games etc. she might be fine with better cut of her supas but she would never be as big as she was with holo, just a regular streamer.

>>19764866
Only a few of those 48 actually matter.
The rest are basically filler.

>>19764866
>Why are they wearing uniforms
Are you this oblivious to Japanese culture and preferred aesthetics?

One of the reasons I mentioned the Spice Girls is exactly to highlight what “tweak” would be necessary to make “idols” a thing in the west

> westerns value individuality and self expression
> nips value conformity and adherence to the local cultural standards

Spice Girls is a nice example because it’s not they they didn’t wear “uniforms”.
“Sports spice” ALWAYS wore sports related outfits, “Posh Spice” posh outfit, “Slutty Spice” slutty.
The illusion of “individuality” was paper thin, they wore uniforms just the same, except it was themed to their characters instead of to their group.

So, cyberlive is not going to live to see 2023, huh?

>>19765016
They signed their death sentence by giving ownership of the models to the talents.

>>19764783
Towa sold 7.4k copies at a bit over 17 bucks each from what I remember so yeah that seems right. Also just as a general reminder, that was preorder physical on holoshop only, no geekjack, no digital sales. I think aqua got a bit over 9k copies sold but I'm less sure about her.

>>19764979
I like some of those filler girls...

>19764541
doesn't deserve a (You) even in the numbers thread where every bait gets a (You), try smarter

Miko reacting to that one kid dancing while watching her live makes me think that vtubers idols will ultimately replace 3d ones in the future. There's too much upside to it compared to the current 3d idol industry.
>No age limit so even hags can join
>No need to look good
>Better cuts and overall revenue. Top idols still make more but mid and low tiers I doubt are anywhere near Holos
>Audience isn't isolated to Japan so someone who doesn't at least immediately appeal to JP can switch up and go for the international audience.

>>19765027
>giving ownership of the models to the talents
Reminds me of Sony's vtuber.

jwu did emperor toya still hold the gold /#/ bros?

How much money does this restaurant collab make?
on a side note, i really want that watamelon cream soda and watame on stage soda

>>19764795
Nothing is confirmed. yThey're just basing it on what happened in fes2 but that gen4 marked as an opening act.
Myth and ID1 are marked as additional cast in the announcement and is not marked any differently on the event page.

>>19765121
No idea but they always sell out quick and seem very happy with the results

>>19765103
Someone post the kuzuha tweet.

>>19765103
i'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news anon, but he slipped

what does /#/ think of marine basically becoming JP sana at this point

>>19765188

>>19765127
I assume they learnt that the opening act bullshit was not too well received by the fans.

>>19765053
As much as people meme about Yagoo’s dream, giving a chance to girls who can’t cut it as conventional idols is clearly a brilliant idea that circumvents some of the pitfalls and limitations of the idol industry.

>>19765121
How the collab started is pretty funny. Watame mentioned on stream she went to the restaurant with some other holos and that they really enjoyed the food. Their PR team contacted them and asked if they wanted to set up a collab.

>>19765188
after being a workhorse for so long and still pulling shit tons of views, who cares
also, she's excused, have you heard how her voice gets when she streams too much, it's fucked, i think she fucked her throat for life

>>19765127
>opening act: gen 4
What is that?

>>19765250
She keeps putting off the surgery, but I'm certain she'll need to do it if she wants to stand a chance of being able to stream regularly again.

>>19765188
It's for health reasons, she should take all the time she can get.

>>19765220
only place i remember making a stink was 4chan and even then everyone pointed to them clearly being labeled as opening act and called the people retarded

>>19765188
Given the circumstances, I'm okay with it. Marine did her reps and if anyone actually deserves to pull a Sana, it's her. I'm kinda sad though how Gen 3 feels as if they're past their prime now as a group. Pekora is still a top Holo but with Marine streaming less and less and Rushia ded, we've probably seen the peak of the golden generation already.

>>19765127
>day 1
>TowaTowa
Towa...

>>19765266
that was from the last holofes anon
i remember it because luna's idol outfit got fucked right before it so they had to perform in their normal 3Ds

>>19765121
Those prices aren't bad and the first two look tasty.

All this talk about idol routes is a bit bullshit, the reason Aqua is not streaming is because she is a bit menhera and is afraid to look at the internet. Hell, she did her big master run right before a concert.
Idol reps might affect stream output sporadically but when you look at manjigumi idol reps isn't the issue, its motivation and burnout.

>>19765247
it's kind of amazing how big of a push hololive/vtubers in general have in japan now

>>19765266
They performed both days for the first 15~30 minutes of the concert

>>19765188
The reason Sana's abscences are so egregious is because she's been like this since the start of her career while Marine was a pillar of Hololive for two years before her current semi-retirement

>>19765427
>15~30 minutes
5-10 minutes. It was only one song per day.

Ironmouse ended her subathon

>>19765444
like even fucking ayame was streaming almost daily at that point, even if it was just fuckin league/fps spam

>>19765247
Just getting mentioned on stream can crash sites and sell out stuff on amazon. Getting an official collab should be much more profitable. Good on them on taking the shot

>>19765470
is she going to take a break or go back to her regular streaming schedule

>>19765470
kek i was thinking she would at least donate some of the money to charity, but no

>>19765300
They can sit back and relax already. They have made a name for themselves and now can just relax, streaming whenever they want, avoid yab and eventually graduate in style

>>19765544
She's a bit of a charity case so it works out.

>>19765465
Nope
day 1:
Senbonzakura - Gen 4
Error - Towa
ECHO - Coco
Ai-mai Chocolate - Watame
day 2:
Hajimete no Chuu - Luna
Ghost Rule - Kanata
Roki - Gen 4

>>19765470
And now it's time to see how the rest of Vshojo's numbers look over the next few weeks since Mouse has been hogging all of the vtuber watchers for her subathon.

>>19764541
>Gura
>has no fans at all
Fungus she has more JOP viewers than you have viewers

>>19765289
I recall some nips getting pissed off that they didn't even have gen 4 do sss at the end with everyone else

>>19765053
Also if you aren't already well known and have good opsec, you can even have a private life without being harassed by schizos or gachikoi.

>>19765674
didn't both nyan barely streaming and vei imploding herself with the soda shit happened while this subathon was going on

>>19765188
>comparing the GOAT to sana

>>19765746
why are you like this?

>>19765746
Gura only has little kids and man children as fans aka people who have no money to spend
If she had any actual fans with pocket money, she'd be beating Vox's SCs, but she isn't.

>>19765674
shylilly seems to be doing a subathon as well so she might sponge some interest. also it'll be interesting to see if she keeps it up for however long it takes for mouse's gifted to runout since she might get #1 current active subs

>>19765121
>>19765247
>Watamerino
The puns makes it look like the restaurant was created by Watame herself

responding to a bait post with another bait post
guess i'll be back for tally anon

>>19765759
Are there any Holos that still managed to keep their identity secret? Seems like everyone's roommates can be found pretty easily on YouTube

>>19765815
Obvious bait but if Gura went all out pandering like Vox her SC and chat would both be terrifying. It would also attract the worst type of attention so thankfully she never will.

>>19765833
>171k sub
>145k of them is gifted
I dunno why this is so funny

>>19765846
Sora?

>>19760536
what's your reasoning? Day 2 has Sora, Aqua, Pekora, Ayame. How is this loosing to day one exactly with only Marine ?

I see that they have resorted to samefagging. Took them 30 minutes to do so, pretty commendable patience.

>>19765846
subaru ?

>>19765846
Suisei

>>19765846
p sure the only thing flare has is a previous vchuuba

>>19765846
lurk 203 years before asking

>>19765846
There's a few, (I heard) Suisei and Subaru was quite tough to crack. Pekora too because I have never seen doxfag posting anything else other than that same pic of her body (no face) and even in the video with her face, she covered it quite well

>>19765746
WHY.
YOU KNOW IT'S BAIT
I KNOW IT'S BAIT
HE KNOWS IT'S BAIT AND HE POSTED IT.
AND YET YOU STILL BIT THE BAIT.

>>19765846
ayame

>>19765846
I think Anya

>>19765923
>>19765961
I'm surprised Suisei managed to keep her identity a secret considering how much she's pushing the idol angle. You'd think someone like her would have uploaded videos of herself singing

>>19765910
>>19765961
Subaru? She was already doxxed in 2020 the fuck?

>>19765997
Ayame got doxxed recently.