/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>19714591
We know it's you Fulgur.

>>19714655
>>19714591
Why do you hide in the catalog instead of attacking the generals directly?

honestly? my rrats is that they weren't broken enough for vtubing. being broken gives people an edge, they are all too normie and lack chemistry with each other.

Focus on your own work Fulgur, you're lagging

>>19714591
the heels on kronii in this fan art are absolutely ravaging my testicles right now.
I'll send bitcoin to any anon who can find the real life version

>>19714591
Mumei and Fauna radiate big "have a boyfriend" energy.
Sana and Bae are Australian. Enough said.
Kronii comes off fake as fuck and is a little tryhard.

Sana's the only failure. The rest would be fine if they had a decent tardwrangler to keep them in line.

>>19715062
Kronii is like that because nonbinary

>>19714712
Because the mods will actually ban you for shitting up generals

>>19714591
I NEED for that sana outfit to become real dear God PLEASE PAKO SAMA

>>19714591
Nijinigger

>>19716916
Why waste time on something that will never be seen
>Last Stream 15 Feb 2022

>>19714591
>dog died
>rrats
>actual rrat who wants Roberu's cock
>potato pc, potato personality
>only good thing about her is memes, and that's being generous

i came from the future, Sana will graduate in mid april

>>19714591
t.Folger’s Coffee

>>19714591
High expectations.
They couldn't top Myth so they became lazy and slobbish after a month when they realized it's pointless.

>>19715388
So what you're telling me is that you're afraid.

I'm mostly fine with them.
Kronii and Fauna grew on me.
Aus accents get me rockhard, but Baelz doesn't seem very genuine.
It's just that as a gen they don't seem to have much chemistry in their full collabs.

>>19717858
Didn't Bae ramp up her streaming? Not all of Council is Sana and Kronii.
>>19717918
It's one of the most coddled threads on one of the most coddled boards on this site.

They didn't, Myth was just lucky.

>>19717429
I do not care about your retarded sana schizophrenia nijinigger, i need sana in a dress NOW

>>19714591
Hiring people who don't like streaming and have 0 creativity will always be a failure.
At least Myth made an effort to stream minimum 5 times a week until Ame's NEET arc.
Mumei and Bae are great though.

>>19714591
I don't think they failed at all. No yabs, they've meshed well with Myth, the streams are comfy and they all have their own flavor. As a group though? It fails because the lore is dumb and sana sandbags the gen by being completely absent from hololive activity. I don't know what that nijinigger was talking about but if they consider it a failure because it didn't match up with Myth, then they're coping. No shit the quarantine vtuber boom of 2020 was going to set an ungodly high watermark for the EN branch. Things are more saturated now and so males are becoming the new hotness.

>>19717858
Bae and Fauna literally put more effort into streams than a few of myth recently

>>19714591
I'm a clipfag when it comes to EN streams but Bae and Kronii seem okay.

Didn't fail to make NijiEN seethe so they're doing their job.

>>19715062
>Mumei and Fauna radiate big "have a boyfriend" energy.
We know they have boyfriends, Fulgur. Stop being a fucking simp.

>fail
Failed at what?

>>19714655
QRD on Fulger?

Most of them are doing fine. Bae really grew on me with her BaeRyS duo dynamic.

>>19719103
Yeah, it's a shame that Sana is so absent. Even if she had a rough start she wasn't the first and will definitely not be the last, but the way she decided to stop giving a shit and went on a huge Pokémon spree just to go back into hiatus is really unfortunate. A lot of the gen "losers" managed to carve their own niche and are doing interesting stuff, but Sana really acts like she doesn't want to be there.

>>19719103
Why are you making reasonable statements in a catalog bait thread?

If you consider Council a failure, what the fuck do you consider this?
Only 1 (one) video with over 100k views.

>>19714591
Fuck off Fulgur. They were never expected to meet the bar that Myth set so high and you're never going to be as big as Luxiem. It's the price you pay for being the second to do something. Myth were the first ENtubers from the two big corpos, and Luxiem were the first MALE ENtubers from the two big corpos. Just like Council didn't bring anything outside-the-box revolutionary, you're going to "fail" the same way. But you knew that, didn't you. You're fucking insecure about it and that's why you're being an edgy dick.

>>19720171
But this is the "NijiEN livers shit on Council while they cant even beat the one that doesnt stream" thread
Finana really likes Sana by the way.

>>19720743
how did Ayame got away with it but not Sana? girl actually works

>>19714591
They're all boring.

>>19720856
because seaniggers have a burning hatred for Australians'

>>19714591
Because they are lazy and they just are ridding in the success of holoMyth.

The only good members of Council are Fauna and Bae, the rest don't even stream

>>19717858
this, it was extremely funny watching Kronii and mumei spam minecraft the first month and they just lagged super hard and couldn't replicate Gura or Mori's numbers.

>>19720856
Finana didnt audition for HoloJP but HoloEN so they dont care about Ayame

>>19714591
>Why did they fail?
>What went wrong
>a big tit deadfish with VA skills that she beats like a dead horse, and literally nothing else.
>sana, who doesnt even draw on stream because Ina doesnt want to lose her niche
>mumei, who sings like a negress for some reason
>average as fuck ASMRtist (if you can even call that a talent)
>ollie clone
>quite literally 1 sense of humour, shared between all 5 of them, and 0 personality from all of them.

en1 has way more fuckin talent.
>gura- born entertainer and unmatched at improv, wonderful singer. voice is naturally asmr
>Ina, can draw, also natural asmr
>Ame, equally entertaing as gura and actually funny regularly, makes up for lack of talent, with immense creativity in making fun streams
>Kiara, can draw, can sing, unbelievably extroverted , stamina as fuck can stream for entire lengths of a day, and is the most productive
>Calli, equally talented as Kiara, but produces music that is not actually bad
>personalities are unbelievably colorful and mixed, its a miracle they get along so well. Truly a motley crew, their presence and group image is iconic.

Your gen is on their way to be the council to Luxiem Fulgur

At what point do they decide to just axe the branch like they did CN?

>>19720424
WAIT, POMU STREAM THE REVENGENCE DLC
THANKS FAGGOT, I'VE GOT SOMETHING TO WATCH

>>19720056
Fulger Covid, salty asshole from manjisanji EN.

>>19720856
Ayame streamed a lot on her early days.

why are people ITT doing history revision saying they weren't expected to meet Myth's numbers? They absolutely were expected to meet those expectations by the fans before debut and they failed hard. only now that councilfags have had enough time for others to forget the hype for Mumei predebut are people now blatantly lying so that their oshi doesn't come off like a failure. Councilfags are by far the worst and most insecure posters that this board has ever seen.

>>19720056
Been in NijiEN for less than a week and is already a numbersfag (he has the least subscribers and viewers out of the entire gen)
Which is extra funny considering his PL which just proves he was a retard since the start

>>19721529
>Which is extra funny considering his PL which just proves he was a retard since the start
QRD?

>>19721440
Yes you are right everyone expected them to get 1million subs in less than a month just like gura
Fucking retard

>>19721207
have you ever heard a black person sing or do you just think every american is black? because that's kind of based if you do.

>>19716916
>does 2 streams and goes back to playing genshin
That'll be superchat plus membership fees :))

>>19721207
>>/vt/?task=search2&search_filename=1626945923653.jpg
Holy schizoid batman.

>>19714591
Because:
>Kronii didn't fully utilize her debut buff and became lazy.
>Sana has the worst avatar in hololive and took a month long break over her dog (boyfriend) dying and now barely streams at all.
>Mumei and Fauna nerfed themselves by formerly being very open about having a boyfriend/husband.
>Baelz can't carry this enitre gen by herself and she filters some people, because they either don't like her looks or her voice.

>>19721698
No one was claiming they'd be like Gura. More like Ame, Ina, maybe Mori level. Anyone that claims someone can be like Gura is obviously false flagging, probably you.

>>19722228
And yet, he isn’t refuted once and is in the right.

>>19721241
They didn't axe the Stars, ID or any other member that underperformed compared to Council, dunno why they would do it now.

>>19714591
The only thing Council failed at is keeping my cock flaccid.

>>19722310
Oh so they did meet the expectations, glad to know.

>>19722350
If Council is a failure, what is Selen? Sana doesnt even stream and she blows her out of the fucking water.

>>19721241
Why would they ax Holo EN, or a generation like Council? Holofags have such a warped perspective in what is successful by streaming standards.

>>19722413
The unarchived in the title definitely attracts more viewers than usual.

>>19722552
keep moving the goal post

>>19722530
Not just Holofags as we've found out.

>>19722582
Am I wrong tho?

>>19715062
we don't fucking care that they have boyfriends as long as it isn't brought up on stream. In fact, we appreciate they aren't trying to hide it so that those who DO care can make the informed choice. Course it means lower superchats though.

NijiEN are horrible people.

>>19722639
>we

>>19722635
Yes, Fauna gets those numbers all the time

>>19722413
Depends on what expectations. Fan expectations or corporate ones. We don't know what Cover wanted from Council. It's just fans saying they are a failure for what ever silly reasons they have rattling in their mind.

>>19715062
I'm not sure if it's about boyfriends but all EN2's (perhaps except for BAE) still seem to keep their distance as if they were affraid to get parasocial (Mumei was actually firmly against parasocial relations and people developing feeling for her in PL) makes it feel very different to Myth, as a result they don't really pander to gachikoi much since Kronii stopped doing voice acting for akasupas so they're low in this metric. Also doesn't help that Kronii was a standout of her gen when she doesn't feel like streaming very much although it's not as bad as Sana who kind of gave up on being a holo at this point.

All in all they are still good as sidekicks to Myth and IRyS since they tend to bring nice energy to the collabs.

>>19720056
Said council wasn't as successful as cover thought they would be as well as saying Luxiems success caused cover to scramble to get a male wave out asap

>>19722734
Impressive.

>>19722465
>>19720424
/#/ fags letting Niji EN live in their heads rent free when this is a Council discussion. I guess /vt/ is a Nijisanji board after all.

>>19722777
His second point was correct about Luxiem.

>>19718187
Honestly the issue is they all have filters. They aren't a failure gen, but literally no one could measure up to myth. No one. It was a time and place thing.

Bae in particular is debuffed because of her on screen roberu attraction. I'm convinced more would have bought her merch otherwise.

Mumei and Fauna have the 'bf' debuff, though it also means they are more yab proof due to it already being out there, so really a tradeoff. Kronii just doesn't stream enough for whatever reason. Does anyone know? Depression?
Sana just doesn't stream cause she doesn't like it anymore. Literal wasted spot, and management's fault for not judging her correctly. Only failure i'd say is Sana, and that's a pure self afflicted failure that is no one's fault but herself. Even then she still mogs much of NijiEN lol

>>19714591
>sana
ayame experience
>fauna
cuck experience
>mumei
cuck experience
>bae
stars cuck experience
>kroni
hates men but also has one that "teases?" her around so its also a cuck experience, they're whores, majority that watch hololive don't like that even if they don't say it, which is why everyone is still sticking with gura,ina,kiara and amelia

>>19722777
>digits wasted on cope post

>>19714591
t. Fullgay Covid

>>19722697
Anyone who cares already knows, and can easily avoid. They aren't going to be surprised and sperg about it outside of here, and despite the debuff they still are fairly successful, even if not superchat powerhouses.

>>19715062
>Mumei and Fauna radiate big "have a boyfriend" energy.
Considering how much time and energy they spend in things unrelated to boyfriends, I feel sorry for those guys.

>>19723011
>Sana
>Ayame experience

Nigga what.
I do agree on the rest.

>>19722950
>Does anyone know? Depression?

Roommate supports SJW so having an sexualized big titty avatar triggers an existental crisis.

I think two main reasons:

One is that the West, particularly America, doesn't have the same "idol culture" as Japan does. The closet we got are like pop stars and boy/girl bands.

Japan's idol culture likes a lot of idols. Like, a ton. Just pouring out of everywhere. They very much into that quantity. Meanwhile, the West doesn't look for that same overwhelming amount of quantity with their popstars. Not saying they're after quality, just that they aren't so keen to follow so many, unlike Japan.

That is part of why I think Myth was so incredibly successful and Council has absolutely trudged on.

Another part is the personalities. Council is made up almost entirely of chill-streamers, with RATT being the possible exception. There's just not the variety with this gen. They each on their own aren't bad, but introducing a gen of the same type was a really poor move. Why Kronii is the biggest of them I'm unsure. Maybe because she's got a sultry vibe in addition?

I honestly think they'll be fine. They'll be like Aki or Mel - just very slow in gaining a following, but they'll continue to gain.

>>19723011
>kronii:hates men but also has one that "teases?" her around so its also a cuck experience

Im ootl on this one, what keywords should i search archive with, or possible spoonfeed?

>>19722950
>Even then she still mogs much of NijiEN lol
Not by her own merits tbqh.

I GET A FUCKING WARNING FOR TRYING TO EXPLAIN AND ANSWER THE QUESTION? FUCK YOU JANNIES. DID YAGOO SEND YOU?

>>19715062
If you care about these girls having a boyfriend, all I could say is you're pathetic as fuck. Go out touch grass, hangout with your friends (if you have any) talk to girls get a girlfriend it wasn't hard. I assure you you'll see a new whole world.

>>19723485
It's a Nijinigger shitposting the same tired rrats. Why are you even humoring him.

>>19723402
most are related to her roommate being a feminist so good luck finding it in archives, better to source it elsewhere

>>19723485
>Urr durr look at me I'm such a normalfag why aren't you?

So, I just simply can't keep up with vtuber bullshit lately, except for watching my favs when I can.
Did a literal Holo-anti actually got hired by Niji?
Seriously? We have a fucking crazy shitposter from here working at that company? Someone who doesn't even hides his distain in twitter?

>>19723485
>If you care about these girls having a boyfriend
Of course, you wouldn't care you cuck.
>Talk to girls get a girlfriend
Trying to convince me to cheat on my wife Suisei with filthy 3D women. No morals either, huh. I bet you're a Nijinigger.

>>19723485
But don’t you understand? They have a 0% chance of getting with Mumei or Fauna. But with the other girls they have a 0.000001% chance. The math is clear, Mumei and Fauna aren’t mathematically worth it

>>19723645
No, just a retarded tribalnigger that happens to be a numbersfag
Which just happens to be the entirety of NijiEN

>>19714936
here you go anon, no need to bitcoin
https://www.pinterest.jp/pin/721209327836349939/
I can't find the shoe in the store link though

>>19723645
One of the new NijiEN guys has the rrat mind of a /vt/ poster apparently

>>19723803
nipple slide post

>>19721529
Is he an ESL? It types like one for sure.

>>19723990
Pomu is the only native english speaker in the branch

>>19723645
He was rejected by Hololive, what do you expect?

>>19722530
Do you actually think it's holo fans calling council a flop?

>>19723326
man, park makes godly fan arts.

>>19723906
I gotchu senpai

>>19720056
Full name "Funyun Onion."

>>19722950
Sana was debuffed by a model much more than IRyS despite all the shitposting, anime fans just don't like niggers I guess and I bet she actually had influence on said model so it has to hurt her ego more.
Mumei is a part timer due to her school, boyfriend aside it's known that she's against people developing parasocial relationship with her I would say she would fit more into niji JP rather than hololive with this attitude but she improved as a streamer and people find her fun regardless.
Kronii indeed suffers from depression I think she was even suicidal in the past, still not an excuse considering all the menheras in Vtubing.

>>19723220
Holy newfag.
It means that she barely streams.

>>19722777
I'll never understand this rrat you guys keep pushing
>niji male EN gen2 already exists
>holo opens auditions
>"omglolol they're scrambling!"
They're pretty fucking late to the party if ENstars is purely a knee-jerk to niji

>>19723803
I'm a holofag with a bunch of joined membership. But man people like you is the reason why Holo fandom's creepy as fck.

>>19723485

some people just aren't meant to have real life relationships. Even the most wretchedly born deserve an oasis of respite. Hololive can provide that where NijiEN can't.

I would recommend they learn Japanese though, that is the best way to find a true oasis that won't come under attack by normalfag crusaders.
Also Gura. I don't know what changed for her, but it seems she's fully accepting the idol part of Hololive now. That's great.

>>19723011
>bae
>stars cuck experience
I prefer 2d
She prefers 2d
>we are

>>19714591
Their growth is above normal, except for Sana of course. How many youtube channels can get 500k in 6 months? You compare every Vtuber to Myth, which is basically an anomaly. Something like that won't happen twice anon. It's like waiting for another asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs.

>>19724354
Did you actually take that seriously? And I'm the creepy one, huh. You stupid or something?

Council really isn't a failure. It of course couldn't live up to the hype of Myth, but nothing could've. It was the first time a major Japanese corp made an EN branch, it was thousands if not millions of people's introduction to vtubers, and it was before there was this glut of western vtubers around, you just can't repeat that success.

>>19724087
It's either fans or people that have a stake in any side and prod at any sign of weakness.

>>19714591
They didn't poach the small corpos

>>19722413
Ame hit 1 million subscribers by February of 2021. Ina hit 1 million by May 27th and Kiara hit it by May 30th. Kroni is on pace to hit 1 million by August-September and Mumei is on pace to hit by October-November. by the time Sana hits 1 million subscribers Hololive will have 4 generations. Council is a huge flop and their fans deserved to be mocked for thinking they'd overtake let alone meet the expectations that Myth did.

>>19724354
Ignore him. That's a Niji fan.

>>19719103
to be honest we dont know what cover themselves expected of them, but they failed to meet general audience expectations, i remember people were hype for some new blood in holoen because the girls needed more people to bounce off of especially since they never get to collab outside of the 5+irys of them.
while theyre not a complete failure theyre also not that successful even compared to jp which is slightly fairer to compare them too then myth.
fungus was state his observations but doesnt mean his observation was right when it took cover half a year to start auditions again meaning council wasnt unsuccessful that they felt the need to add new people to correct for the council.
however the fact cover is known to rest on its laurels does show that it wasnt just a coincidence they finally decided to move in with holostars en auditions, they saw the market they missed and are trying to get people for it.

>>19724063
Wait, but aren't Vox and Luca british?

>>19714591
i'm not reading the thread but thank you for the cute art

>>19724300

>>19714591
Their backstories are too grandiose and vague for them to play with. For example, being a Phoenix has certain attributes (fire, coming back to life, flight) that Kiara can roleplay with, but what attributes does the embodiment of time have? There's nothing she can really do with that.

>>19724636
>while theyre not a complete failure theyre also not that successful
You know the Niji EN girls this thread has been ragging on? They are successful as well. Not only that there are some in small corpos that are about to jump over the hurdle of success since some are going from part time streaming to full time and dropping their jobs even though they get sub 1,000 CCV.

>>19723485
The amount of females and normalfags Luxiem brought to this place Jesas

>>19720424
WTF the models in these thumbnails just look like shit knock offs of different HL talents and not even trying to hide it either lmao. Is this Niji EN?

>>19724595
The council were the normal ones, myth is a fucking anomaly.

>>19724595
By your logic every sequel movie or second album that didn't sell as well as the first one is a flop.

>>19724699
mysta is british, luca is aussie

>>19724897
Such as?

>>19723402
hating men is old clock, but the "teasing" one she mentions a lot on streams, look for noodle arms, and ... i forgot the most recent one, was mentioned last week on a SC reading portion of a stream i think, only saw a few comments about it /here/

>>19724284
Mumei has school obligations, but its clear she tries so I have nothing against her. She is fun and has good emote taste. Will member, Won't SC, but will buy merch if actually useful, or some 'nightmare' drawings.
Sana, model debuff or not, simply is not trying anymore. Thats what I hold against her. It hasn't even been a year. If she didn't have the will to at least try to push through a debuff model then she shouldn't have taken that spot.

Kronii... yea, its an explanation and I can understand, but it doesn't really excuse the streaming schedule in the first year. That's the biggest reason that council hasn't inclined further

1.Weak streaming schedules
2.Relationship debuffs, on and off screen.

Management needs to get their act together on gen 3, because if gen 3 faces the same issues then I don't think there should be a gen 4, it will just cannibalize. At the very least they need to be consistent streamers, whatever relationship debuffs there are.

>>19724900
No they aren't. Any indie or small corpo is what normal growth should be and expected CCV in relation to subscribers. Holo EN and Niji EN are anomalies.

>>19723152
There’s a breakup rrat for the former for a reason.

>>19723824
KEK.

>>19724936
I don't know about that guy but the second thumbnail reminded me of Rushia.

>>19724920
Oh, Mysta. I don't really follow them so I often got them wrong but anyways Pomu's not the only native english speaker then.

>>19724636
>while theyre not a complete failure theyre also not that successful even compared to jp which is slightly fairer to compare them too then myth.

Its basically like if Roboco, Mel, Aki, Mio, and Chocco were all in the same gen. They're all somewhat competent streamers, but all together they have nothing to grab your attention.

>>19714591
In terms of NUMBERS they're alright. It's Hololive so those will always look good if you're not ID. None of us in this thread have stock in Cover Corp. though so looking at it from that point is narrow minded.
In terms of their workrate? They certainly fell short there. The whole point of a second gen was to lessen the load on Myth who had to carry everything for what, 8 months? We still have the same dead hours as before and one of them is on day 21 or 22 of not streaming. Hopefully another gen gives us some frequent streamers and another La Creatividad type who can do some interesting stuff.

>>19724900
>>19724902
councilfags are the worst, your ilk were insufferable pre-debut and now you act like women since your oshi's can't even come close to the members of myth with the worse numbers. I can't wait for gen 3 to come out and you retards get your ass blown by their numbers.

Cover isnt get lucky this time. They only pick safe choice. There are nobody like Mori, Gura, Coco this time. I think Cover want to make something like Gen 3 but fail really hard.

>>19725014
i mean, for holo's standard. but yes. all of them are anomalies.

>>19724964
The sad part is that we're never getting a EN gen as perfectly balanced as Myth.

>>19724964
>Mumei has school obligations, but its clear she tries so I have nothing against her.
She also had actual plans to do history stuff, but got shot down by management.

>>19725042
It's closer to Sumi when it comes to design, but that's her second outfit so we don't know how long they were planning it.

>>19725100
councilfags are the worse I swear to god, your group sucks, not the rest of the field.

>>19724830
Uhmm sweaty unless you're doing top 10 SC numbers you can't call yourself successful.

>>19725085
Okay buddy

>>19725085
councilschizo, it's time to let go...

>>19725055
Don't you dare put Hag love there, she is a consistent 10k streamer and good singer.

>>19721068
Mumei streams as much as Fauna more or less, has school to balance and is currently in the process of moving homes and I wouldn't say she's boring but she's really cute and pretty funny. I don't mind Mumei at all, she's my favourite to come out of council in fact.

>>19725014
You’re right that they’re both anomalies, but I’m pretty sure Myth is on a different level. More like a Black Swan event.

>>19725170
>>19725176
newfag-kuns, this may be hard for you to understand, but there multiple people on this website that don't like council and will voice their displeasure about them.

>>19721973
NIJINIGGER I DONT FUCKING CARE HOW MUCH YOUR FEELINGS ARE HURT BECAUSE SHE GOT IN INSTEAD OF YOU I NEED WELL DRESSED CHOCOLATE WIFE

>>19725229
Agreed. Fauna is a bit too vanilla for me and when she tries to be quirky, it doesn't really seem genuine. I still like her, just not as much.

>>19725256
Don’t be so obvious then, Fungus.

>>19725256
yeah, I know. and I'm doing the same. nothing wrong with that right?

>>19725182
She's alright, but she clearly lags behind the rest of the gamers in terms of personality.

>>19725256
Sure buddy.

Only one of them has big tits and its the dark skin girl, what were they thinking???

>>19720856
Ayame helped build Hololive. She can sandbag now if she wants to. She has earned her place at the Roundtable Hold.
New comers have to earn their keep

>>19725488
The entire gen is relatively stacked, nevermind Kronii and Fauna.
Even the fucking rat has tits, and Mumei still has a larger bust size than almost half of myth.

>>19725257
Just watch the one in prism

>>19725488
every single one of them has big tits. bae should have been a loli and mumei should have been flat. sana just has the clownish and disgusting tits of a morbidly obese black woman.

>>19725257
>Calls others niggers
>Likes niggers himself
Anon...

>>19725130
she could do it if she really wanted, Kiara actually said just as much when she had her Netflix history-drama faze, you can talk about history if you don't label it as a "history" stream, council seem to have no backbone though.

>>19725130
eh, I could understand why, history can be a touchy subject. She could still do Hololive 'lore' history. Like for Hololive Alternative world. Wonder if management would approve that. Would be good hype for the whole alternative world I think.

>>19714591
I want to suck on Kronii's tits.

>>19724354
go back to twitter/reddit

>>19724902
for a lot of hollywood yeah it kinda is, just hollywood gets sunken costed and tends to make a 3rd anyway.
council is kinda the hollywood sequal of vtubers, they do decent enough to have another movie but critically get panned.
this of course isnt counting the successful sequels or the direct to dvd sequels since DTDVD are expected to be way worse.
>>19725045
to be fair his english isnt great since he uses was the same way as "we was kangs"
>>19725488
they were thinkin of the KANGS!

>>19725693
>Kiara [...] when she had her Netflix history-drama faze
What is this?

>>19720856
Ayame started when Hololive was very small and expectations were nowhere near as great. It would be understandable to treat it like a part time job in those days. She gets hate for it even today because Hololive has grown bigger, but being part of the oldguard has its benefits, and being able to laze is one of them.

>>19714591
I want to suck on Kronii's toes.

>>19720856
>>19725882
Ayame is also very active in Hologra

>>19714591
They just dont work as an overall group

Mumei and Fauna are too similar in their voice, sweet and soft spoken.
Bae and Sana are too similar in that they are both australian.

Kronii is at least distinct but doesnt stream much.

>>19724495
they're behind HoloX though despite at least in theory having a larger market not to mention debuting months before, Chloe will be getting to 800K soon and LP+ is not far behind either, only Lui is still below 500K.

>>19722639
Holobronies? more like holocuckolds kek

>>19726069
>Bae and Sana are too similar in that they are both australian.
I feel like this is actually an important point. If only one of them was Australian, she would have gotten all of the australian memes and therefore gotten more attention. But with two of them, any Australian meme would have to include both of them and so meme makers have a harder time with it.

>>19723152
Holy cope, Council barely streams kek
also theres this thing called cohabitation, holokek

>>19726251
HoloX is very successful compared to gen 5.

>>19720056
Shadow the Hedgehog gimmick chuuba

>>19721207
>also natural asmr
S-tier backhanded compliment kek

>>19724636
you can pander to both incels and fujos, I doubt stars EN will be nearly as succesful homo nijis it's not even a matter of female collabs but their established fanbase and brandpower being different than manjisanji, also getting kicked out of bilibili doesn't help.

It's not like male nijis doing well is a new thing anyway, Kuzuha was above a ton of holos for a long time now and it didn't make Cover panick, you can't take over every market and make all the money.

>>19715062
Ogey finana

>>19714591
Hololive management sets way too many restrictions on their talents. They would do just fine in Nijisanji (relatively of course)

>>19726251
I wish all future gens are handled like X, although from what other anons say they don't have the best unity as yet.

>>19724347
Cover was obviously still gauging Luxiem's success. This is not something that could be done in a single day. Also it's a fact that Cover opened audition just after Niji had opened theirs.

>>19726251
the japanese market for vtubers as a whole is still much larger. although individual western vtubers are on rare occasions able to reach a much greater audience than any japanese ever could, the actual dedicated vtuber viewer base is still pretty small, and the median still floats much higher in japan.

>>19721207
>mumei, who sings like a negress for some reason
Confirmed to have never heard a black person sing in your entire life

>>19726774
If Myth wasn't too afraid to rock the boat they could have pushed against those regulations since losing one or more of five founders would be too huge of a blow. They would make management cave in easier. I can't be too hard on them on that since they are girls in their mid 20's or younger so they'd be more afraid to rock the boat.

>>19724775
time meshes well with the other concepts in council. Civilizations rising and dying out over time, the intrinsic connection of space and time, evolution (nature) needing thousands of years. I can't really think of a good link with chaos but aside of that, yeah time doesnt really give much wiggle room except maybe with Ame

>>19725882
she get's hate because she's so big in pretty much every metric in staggering contrast to the amount of effort she puts into it and honestly even her excuses feel lazy this days, what was it last time ISP issues for two months? When Kiara had this kind of problem she streamed from her manager's house, LP+ will stream in the office, there are options when you actually care about your fans.

>>19724964
Has Sana even said anything about why she's not streaming? Doesn't she tweet everyday with her other account or something.

>>19725693
Management shoots down dedicated streams for it, and she struggles to find ways to work it into other discussions like Kiara does. Also, it’s probably the type of historical subject too. Kiara focuses on the historical equivalent of celebrity gossip and soap operas because that’s what those costume dramas are, whereas Mumei says that the stuff she’s interested in is verboten.
>>19725808
She bingewatched the Tudors and a bunch of stuff about the Wars of the Roses.

>>19723485
biggest fag on the board

>>19726774
no niji EN girl is even close

>>19726069
>>19726251
>>19726317
>>19726440
>>19727069
>>19727123
fuck off councilschizo, your 2view oshi will never get into hololive. All of Myth and Council deserve to be where they are and there's nothing YOU will ever be able to change that.

>>19727357
Yeah. They are head and shoulders above along with everyone else compared to the shackled Holos.

>>19714591
they should have 3d before holomyth that would add salt to the wound.

>>19727479
you're talking gibberish ESL chama

>>19725256
councilschizo...

>The anon mass replies when cornered

>>19727366
Why the fuck are you replying to me? All I said was that Mumei struggles to slip history stuff into general discussions and that she said her preferred topics are stuff she can’t talk about. That’s not even a rrat or an anti post.

>>19727655
Because he can't handle the fact that the Council is a failure and is lashing out.

>>19724936
At a quick glance of that picture of YT thumbs, one blatantly has nearly the exact same hair as Ina and another looks like Rushia.

>>19727691
councilschizo, you need to stop people are going to think you're insane.

>>19723485
Do you REALLY want these people to have a chance of contributing to the gene pool? Please let them lust after their idols so they can die childless.

>>19727366
>fuck off councilschizo, your 2view oshi will never get into hololive.
My oshi is literally the biggest vtuber in the world so...

now councilschizo is pretending to be a chumbud, this is actually pathetic.

>>19724284
Absolutely nobody has a bigger model debuff than IRyS. Sana's model at least has the biggest tits in all of Hololive; meanwhile there is nothing good about IRyS's model. Yet she powered through that and is honestly the best EN by a good margin.

>>19727691
I didn’t ask you, Fungus, I’m asking the mass replying dipshit.

Too many of their potential fans died from an overdose of copium during the debut. Those who survived the first night just died later after realizing all those expectations they had were just fucking smoke.

If anything, they failed at first because people got unreal hopes for them, expecting them to be niche yet extremely appealing to the overall public. It didn't help that they were extremely bland during their first month or so by sticking to the same type of content myth was already puting out. They didn't bring anything new to the table, same content as their japanese members, people continued with clips from Hololive Japan and that's it.

>>19728836
in their defence a lot of the unique things they wanted to do were denied by management

>Mumei wanting to play Civ4
>Sana doing space launch watch-alongs

>>19728415
What part of thinking Council was a disappointment precludes someone from being a chumbud?

>>19725045
That anon is shitposting/retarded. only 4/20 of them don't speak native English. Though to be fair, a lot of those natives do sound ESL.

>>19728904
Not just that but people really wanted some very niche stuff from them. Then the massive doxxing during the debuts killed the idolfags without mercy.

A few weeks later and they were already surviving from Minecraft and flavor of the month games. Literally the same shit as Holo Japan but with new people.

>>19729136
Well yeah if you try to do niche stuff and its denied then your only option is just minecraft and flavour of the week games

>>19725375
Yeah, Fauna doesn't seem like a bitch or anything, she seems nice and genuine enough as a person. As a v-tuber she's just ok, not terrible not amazing, just average really imo. Also she seems to overhype her ASMR streams to be way better than what they actually are imho, although I'm not a massive fan of ASMR like some people are so idk.

>>19726864
Cover didn't even open new applications. They linked to their existing applications 9 hours after Nijisanji opened theirs to clarify that 'we're accepting males btw'.

>>19729228
Management fucked them over very hard but even then it's difficult to say how much is management's fault and how much is the streamer's fault. We can come out with scenarios of "what if" but I feel they are a bit pointless. In the end it feels like they could have done more but they decided to stick to the already proven formula and while it's guaranteed to give you some success in the short term, it may not be very good in the long term if you are trying to build a less generic personality

>>19714829
that's the first accurate rrat i've seen on /vt/ if youre not a depressed, drug addled NEET youre honestly not worth watching as a VTuber

>>19721207
i'm not sure if you don't know what a black is or if you don't know what an Alto is

>>19725256
And I will voice my displeasure towards your displeasure.

>>19729442
>to clarify that 'we're accepting males btw
this cope is just embarrassing, I'm not even laughing

>>19726251
Holox were debuted just a few hours after being announced so they weren't flagged as bots by Youtube because of sudden sub growth without any content and are favored by the algorithm.

>>19727123
She's an history nerd? Well I like her even more now as a history nerd myself. It's a shame she's not allowed to do streams about what she's passionate about, quite fucking sad actually. No wonder council is underperforming with such shitty restrictive pathetic management.

>>19731120
>She's an history nerd?
Yes

She also wanted to play games like Civ4 but was told no because the game involves politics. History is also political so its forbidden.

>we will never get Mumei hoi4 kino where she plays as germany

>>19731347
shut the fuck up paradox beggar, no non-2view will ever play your gayass map painting games.
>t. 2,000 hours in ck2

>>19725488
Bitch what, are you fucking blind? Serious question.

>>19732039
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he's never seen any of them stream since he's only going off the fanart in the OP.

>>19731120
She seems to mainly be interested in Ancient Europe and the Near East, as well as Pre-Columbian America. She was able to work discussions on that when discussing her MV, if only because there’s no way to stop her there. Her potato history idea that got shot down could be related to the latter, and she worked that into the quiz show collab. I’d consider pitching potato history as a worthwhile discussion topic makes her more of a history buff than your average map-painting autist. Her personal manager is one of the better ones in HoloEN, so the gag order might be from higher up, though why they wouldn’t inform her before debut is a mystery.

>>19724964
i want mumei to make a tshirt with nightmare drawings and black metal-ish lettering

>>19722465
>what is Selen?
My pregnant wife.

>>19720086
>Bae really grew on me with her BaeRyS duo dynamic.
you have abysmal taste

>>19714591
Their worst performer still erns more per hour than your top three combined.

>>19730562
are you scared fulgay

They didn't, they have the most logic numbers. What actually happened is that Myth got twice and even thrice the numbers they should have. And that happened because they were the first gen of Hololive EN (just what happened with Luxiem), when it was highly demanded. Gen two was also exciting but more realistic.

>>19728904
wtf why would a space launch watchalong be denied? Unless you mean shown on stream. Then ok I understand.

>>19733984
Something about potentially needing permission from the company doing the space launch, given how japanese permissions work they werent going to do it.
Didnt want Sana referencing an outside company not affiliated with HL without permissions first.

>>19734207
wait, they'd need permission even if it was not shown on stream? I don't believe that. Sana must have wanted the launch video on screen too.

>>19714829
>>19730059
trash takes

>>19730446
I'm glad La+ is still growing steadily, she's one of the best castings they've done.

>>19732400
Fuck, I'd love a stream of the owl talking about Roman emperors, pre medieval European tribes and shit like that, there's no possibility of any yabs coming from talking about ancient history, if it was colonial times history I could understand but not ancient history. It even suits her lore ffs, talking about the origins of civilization. Corporate bureaucracy is so fucking shit.

>>19722552
it's fucking fauna.

>>19734622
>there's no possibility of any yabs coming from talking about ancient history,
are you retarded?

>>19734622
>there's no possibility of any yabs coming from talking about ancient history
She tried discussing Egyptian mythology during her meme review, and ended up calling Medjed a fucky-looking faggot.

>>19728904
This is all Omegatroon's fault

>>19727018

Myth did carved out exceptions, they just save that for important shit like reducing IRyS's collab ban (since she was a solo act), getting more permissions for games (despite management being lazy fucks about it) and dropping the focus on the Council lore (since it was vastly agreed that it was chuuni and cringe). And those are the things we know of because they said it on stream.

>>19735016
Yes, but obviously don't be dumb and talk about something fucked up like the rape of the Sabine women or some shit and it would be fine. Do like a fucking tier list of Roman emperors or something, maybe leave Tiberius out of it.

>>19714591
Council and Nijisanji are bother very succesful. Comparing vtubers to the abnormal growth of Myth is stupid and petty.

>>19723152
That's honestly why I don't care for them. The idea that there is a cuck behind them getting his testicles flattened is just too sad for me to enjoy their streams.

>>19736278
>talk about history
>talk about the rapes and genocides and slaves
>yab

>talk about history
>skip the rapes and genocides and slaves
>people with big noses accuse you of whitewashing history
>yab

>>19736278
>Do like a fucking tier list of Roman emperors or something

>Bottom tier emperors
>Elagabalus
>He was bad and a cross dressing homosexual
too much yab

>>19714591
If feel bad for them because if we and their rivals think that Im sure atleast some of them feel that way too.
But its too hard a task to surpass myth the only one who compete with them in the western scene are Vshojo who where already quite popular before Myth was even here and Luxiem but they have a whole different market.
They are constantly in their senpai shadow, for exemple I remember Kronii saying in stream after Holomyth Kimono relay that theur streams would be a tough act to follow.

Ok be honest, what did fauna ever do wrong? I'm aware of all the criticisms towards Sana and Kroni but I don't understand some of the hate towards her. she seems fine from the little I've watched of her.

>>19715145
That just tells me kronii is mentally ill, which isn't anything new in hololive as a whole.

I'm really starting to hate mythfags, you guys are so insecure. stop getting baited by shitposters especially by ones from pre-debut.

>>19741678
Guilty by association, most likely.

>>19714591
Did Sana basically just joined Hololive to draw Hololive members and recycle them for her other account? LOL

>>19714591
They can all be super shit, but they don't have an Ame in the generation. Someone to lead the generation, to make deals, and get creative. They are all just applying additional pressure onto Ame. Amelia Watson is the savior of the entire EN branch of Hololive.

>>19743920
quite true

>>19743920
I'm banking on either Mumei or Bae to step up once they finish their academics.

I honestly think Kronii can and in fact should lead the gen but she keeps shying away from the role. I just hope Fes lights a fire in Council. Subaru do your thing.

>>19746157
>academics
>people still believe this excuse

sana - do i even need to get into it
kronii - hates streaming, hates men
mumei - boring, has a bf
fauna - boring, one-dimensional, has a bf
baelz - she tries her hardest but 1 person is not enough to carry an entire generation

>>19714591
Hello fulgur

>>19743920
Unironically this. Ame carries Holo EN on her back and even though Gura is the most popular one, Holo EN would fucking a fucking shitshow without Ame.

>>19724087
Woah it's not like this board has a history of holofags anti'ng their own vtubers or did you memoryhole that too??

>>19714591
the didn't? maybe it wasn't the big explosion they were expecting but other than that they're doing pretty well. Sana and fauna are boring but the kronii-mumei duo is fantastic

>>19730562
It is true their auditions were already open for a while.

They permanently opened them weeks ago.

>>19721241
Never. It doesn't matter if they're not as big as gen 1, they're still making money for the company.

>>19731120
>you share a thread with faggots who don't even remember council debut

>>19714591
They're cool. I don't like faunas voice though it's really annoying

>>19714591
>nigger
>no loli
it never even began

They are women. Failure is second nature.

Kronii is a lazy stoner

>>19714591
Shut up Faggay Covid, do something about your sub count first.

>>19714591
Yes! Why Council is awful thread #98732187. A thread where we state the reasons Council disappointed many for the #98732187th time!

>>19714591
So they can get back up Master Bruce.

>>19714655
Cool anon. Now answer the question

>>19729083
>Though to be fair, a lot of those natives do sound ESL.
At this point there's no difference between native and ESL. why even differentiate them?
also, a lot of natives type like ESL too anyway.

I genuinely like all of them, but they just don't have the same magic as Myth and a lot of the JP holos.

>Mumei
She is a lot of fun and great in collabs but solo streams don't feel special at all for the viewer.
>Fauna
Probably the best one IMO, great kayfabe despite having a known boyfriend. Genuinely fantastic solo streamer and carries her weight in collabs. A standout from the group for sure.
>Bae
Too much for me. She has improved 10 fold since debut and mellowing out a little and puts in an impressive amount of work but I still don't really enjoy solo streams. Collabs she often rolls over whoever else is present unless it's a member of her clique. Her design is pure sex though.
>Kronii
Solo streams are super rough but we all know this. She sold her soul when she did all those voice acting superchats. She has strayed away from it but the damage was done. I don't really see her appeal to be honest.
>Sana
What the fuck went wrong here? I really like Sana, genuinely I do, but she has streamed less than two hours in over a month and basically seems to do this every other month. Impossible to form an attachment with. She really shot herself in the foot with the big break after debut, and then seemed to lose all motivation to bring it back entirely. Such a waste.

>>19714591
Susan nuked her subs twice.

>>19714591
fuck off Fungus Covid

>>19726251
Holox wasn't only well managed from the start, they were thrown into collabs with seasoned holo veterans left and right from the beginning.

This certainly helps a lot with exposure, iirc every single one of them collabed with huge numbers members like Marine and Fubuki for example.

>>19714591
God, I want Mumei to rape me with her giant futa cock.

>>19748329
Teamates are absolutely delusional if they think this. Ame was a literal non factor for most of year 1. Most of the collabs and events organized were because Kiara. And before you start spouting well she does her creative stream ideas, the first actual creative stream idea was probably her charity stream, so you are looking at 6+ months of just normal streams.

>>19714591
Most of them don't even care about their job, the remaining ones are not interesting enough even tho they at least try

>>19724595
Nobody will ever expect anybody to match what Myth did you fucking retard, they got bonus for being the first EN and bonus for having the literal best talent in Gura to carry anything that might go wrong. Council isn't a flop at all except for Sana who literally isn't even there to flop, she just doesn't exist. But ogey lets just ignore the numbers Fauna gets on her streams

>>19761179
Anon, people would need to watch streams before they even start talking about ccv.

You guys really don't understand that HoloMyth got big big numbers because they were the first EN vtubers, basically

>>19714591
"Fail"

They didn't keep up with Irys or Myth, and Sana's definitely underperforming.

That said, I think it's mostly a matter of schedule. Council was hyped, but their predecessors went above and beyond, it's hard to keep up. So that's a bit of it.

But the big one is schedule. They don't put as much work, plain and simple. Sana being the most glaring example.

It's odd, considering a couple of their roomates were consistently harder workers than this.

>>19761179
either a newfag, revising history or a retard.

>>19761370
nobody in either generation of HoloEN stream a lot

>>19714591
People knew at debut that Fauna and Mumei had boyfriends, so they were sorta doomed

>>19743920
agreed, Ame is probably the most talented member in hololive and the glue of holoEN.

>>19714591
feeling's mutual, Fulgur.

>>19761408
Calli and Kiara stream about as much as most nijien girls do. Gura's not far behind. It's nina, ame and council that really lag behind among the EN big names

>>19746157
>I'm banking on either Mumei or Bae to step up once they finish their academics.
This. Baewatch (though not my cup of tea, you can’t deny the effort and creativity there) and the entire month of February are proof that the rrat has potential. Remember, it took almost a year before Ame transitioned from ‘the salty gamer gremlin’ to La Creatividad.

>>19762027
Ina, Ame and Council. jesus christ why fix spelling errors today, right?

>>19762027
The only people in HoloEN who stream a lot are Kiara and Irys
Mori used to before the Connor thing
Gura streams regularly, but so does Council except Sana

This thread reeks of nipple twisting

>>19714591
they didn't

>>19714591

Because they refuse to buy nipple porn or being a whore like NippleSanji. The keyword here is "buy" and not pirate like that 1 Nijifag.

Bae deserved better.

I hate nijiniggers but I agree that council is a fucking mistake and Ina's to blame for it.
kys ENshart

Council had heavier marketing, heavier staff involvement, a much wider talent pool, grander presentation, and enormous hype behind the existing fanbase and yet can only hit a fraction of their predecessor's success. The talent could be great but none have even hit half of Myth's subs and are lagging behind both Myth and even HoloX in most metrics. Even Pomu is beating them all in SCs despite a much much smaller audience and Elira and Selen are beating every council member but Kronii. A generation with that level of corporate backing, brand power and existing audience behind them should not be losing to streamers that started with a couple hundred viewers.

>>19714591
Cause they're not streaming 50 hours a day!
They're not pulling in a million viewers per stream!
They dont have a billion subscribers!
They can't even get a million memberships!

>>19762036
Bae did say that she had far less concern about going all out because Ame had blazed the trail for her.

>>19762141
Bae?

>>19761453
>talented member
Are they talents though? Talents tend to be innate gifts like Singing or high level athleticism. Singing and athletics requires work and practice and skill growth too but if you lack the talent for it then you’ll never be able to make that up.
I guess creativity can be seen as a talent, but I’d say only Ina is less talented (She is a Skilled artist rather than a talented one). Maybe kiara too.

>>19722639
>t. falseflagging nijicuck

>>19766220
Each new Gen for HoloJP often hits milestones faster and faster than the previous Gen. Council though, well their Lore isn't really doing the girls any favors. With the exception of Fauna who is basically just Mother Nature and that is a concept most people can wrap their head around. A lot of them do not stream for that long. Sure people will say, "Well they have stuff to do" and I agree, but if you're not streaming you not building fans. That is the trade.

>>19766939
>If you're not streaming you not building fans
True to some degree. However, don't forget this is a streaming board and as you know. Streaming a lot doesn't mean you'll get more views.
I watch a non vtuber streamer who streams 5 days out of the week, keeps a consistent schedule, and doesn't pull more than 10 viewers.

>>19766939
japan's dedicated viewerbase grows consistently, while EN had a brief explosion during myth and then a massive shrinkage afterwards.