/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>19521911
I retrofitted a current project of calculating N-body systems in a gravitational field for a Sanashitpost once. I calculated what affect would her full-size ass would have in the nearby local environment at different speeds and locations.
Cunt didn't even give me a pity like for it. I hate her. Fake space loving bitch

when you average out her incredibly rare but 12 hour long horrible pokemon streams than she still barely streams what a fucking humongous waste of a holoEN slot it's beyond pathetic.

>>19521911
>Cover messed up by casting 2 Australians
Bae is making up for this as she'll soon be the only Aussie EN member aside from honorary shitposter Haachama.

>>19521911
>Cover messed up by casting 2 Australians so she didn't even have that going for her
The only Australian thing about Bae is her accent. Sana kept leaking strayan slang and could have been the REAL aussie in the group, but tummy hort :(

>>19521911
This is now Sana's Tits thread

Post picture of her finest pair of tits

>>19521911
Was it really that hard to get a real aussie girl?

>>19523919
jeez how many pairs does she have?

Took me a solid half minute to remember her name

>>19521911
Pretty sure she'll stay in hololive for as long as she has one or more paying subscribers left. She's treating this as free money.

>>19524842
I am that last paying subscriber. I will quite literally be the last Sanallite.

You know, I think Sana might actually quit since she seems to have lost interest.

>>19521911
when korone dies

>>19526071
This is the actual answer. Sana doesn't give a shit about you guys, when you think about it she's "smart" in the sense of a self-interested narcissist. She
1) gets a place to advertise her art
2) gets to hang out with friends like Ina more often
3) gets to hang out with her favorite holos like Korone

This is why whenever there's a totsumachi somehow Sana, who "never has time to stream", somehow finds the time to call in. She's in it purely for the perks of getting paid to play games she likes, your participation in her palace of dreams is entirely optional.

Also if it weren't for these "anti" threads (probably made by a sanallite) I would have forgotten she existed.

>>19526071
>when korone dies
you mean when actual Korone dies, or are you referring to her chinese bootleg art for a gacha?

>>19526597
>Sana, who "never has time to stream"
this shit makes me laugh every fucking time. Maybe she'd have more time to stream if she wasn't on her roommate twitter 24/7
>Also if it weren't for these "anti" threads (probably made by a sanallite) I would have forgotten she existed.
whoever keeps making those is actually doing her a favor.

A reminder people say she's "doing stuff behind curtains". Whatever she does is certainly nothing of value to hololive. For 6 months merch she spent 5 minutes in ms paint doing those awful shits.

>>19527772
Feather for Mumei, gear for Kronii, flower for Fauna, dice for Bae. What the fuck is Sana's weird slanted curly heart thing?

>>19521911
>for having the least amount of subscribers?
Newfags doesnt even know about when Aki literally begged Reddit to help her get to 200k.
Sana aint going nowhere.

>>19529588
Anon, Aki was streaming long hours to sub 3 digit viewers. She did not beg reddit for anything. Her efforts are awarded now though. She's inclining and she even reach 10k+ viewers sometimes.

>>19529588
Akipella is the the thing anon

>>19521911
Has she upgraded her shitty mic or does she still sound like an xbox live kiddo from 2007?

>>19523919
post it dumbass

>>19523919
People don't make more Sana lewds therefore you lose

>>19525311
>might
Long periods of absence without bothering to make up an excuse just means she doesn't care about what would happen to her character
Even Ayame makes up some health issue excuses, being busy with recordings or voice training, while she plays ranked lol in private

>>19521911
>When Anya has more subscribers than someone from HoloEN, you know you messed up
She is indeed a disgrace to HoloEN

>>19529588
Fuck off tourist
She had it rough from the start, with even more direct and vicious hate than Sana that were the product of the rough start of Gen 1, legit health issues that wouldn't allow her to stream, and she still kept streaming with the worst numbers in all of hololive's main talents with a smile, even though as she revealed on her Holotalk she did consider to an hero before.
She got lucky that someone found her and gave her exposure, but raw numbers aren't everything. Kizuna Ai had big numbers,and now she's dead. Gura has the most numbers, and still has less viewers than other vtubers, less than 10% of her subs watch her videos and that's an awful rate. Aki got great numbers for her channel's usual standards, and now she's inclining steadily, because she has always been able to but never given the chance.
She deserves the world.

>>19521911
>when does she get fired for something that literally nobody at cover gives a fuck about nor would fire someone over
how long untill you kill yourself?

>>19529089
tapeworm

>>19521911
Who cares? She's not offensive.
Gawr Gura on the other hand needs to graduate. Her fanbase is cancer and will shit up every board and comment section. Remember the Among Us Iofi meltdown drama? What about the FBK numberfag 1m comments in chat? Gawr Gura needs to graduate and take her brand of cancer with her

I believe she already left council. They are just waiting for a good timing to announce her graduation.

Most probably after holofest. And IRyS can easily take her place at the cost of losing her senpaIRyS status.

>>19521911
Once her contract ends, maybe, just like coco.

>>19530703
>she revealed on her Holotalk she did consider to an hero before.
She just straight up said that?

>>19531256
Fuck you and your whores.

God damn this whore is worthless! You took a slot from another talent that would have actually used the opportunity you stupid bitch.

>>19529089
Kind of amazing how you just out yourself not even having watched a single one of her streams

>>19531256
Most of Gura's normiefags are already gone, that's why her ccv/subs ratio is so low and it's been a while since her last yab

>>19525311
She never had interest.

>>19521911
The true irrelevant holo thread is over here anon
>>19509118
>>19509118
>>19509118

>>19521911
> She's so irrelevant I forget she even exists
yet you keep making threads about her every single day

>>19531298
She called Bae during her no-birthday.

>>19521911
If she didn't use this place to egosearch I'm sure she'd have taken her fans support to heart and come back in stride. I'm almost certain she browses here though and the constant shitting on her is definitely giving her crippling anxiety preventing her from coming back. Why do I think she browses here? Nowhere else dared to call her out for being off for a month because of her dog. Yet in her comeback Karaoke she called out the people shitting on her for being away too long, as if her only grasp of her situation was the concentrated vitriol this place was spewing about her.

Rather than focus on the people that support her, she's taking the shitposting here as representative of the fanbase, effectively cucking her true supporters by letting shitposters warp her view on the audience. Like, she was so surprised people did something good for her on Valentines, like she wasn't expecting anything because this place is what she's actually expecting of her audience. Thing is, I wouldn't even call anyone here an Anti, they just want her to stream and it's a valid criticism. If she just streamed she would shake off 90% of the things being said and she could actually be judged on her own merits.

>Her hiatus tanked her early momentum
I disagree, I think she was always doomed to bad growth because the content she pushed was very lolrandom and the other girls had very strong starts in comparison to that. What really killed her is not being able to grow out of that phase and find a good place to settle. Sana is still in the "I forgor" phase that Mumei was in. She's not putting the time in to stream and become more comfortable, instead she's always returning to a character that's held up with the cope of "I'm doing what I want even if it's not popular" rather than something natural.
Beyond the lolrandom exterior, Sana had some great dark comedy quirks, similar to Mumei, that was closer to how she actually is and is much better than how she forces herself to be as a member of council. If she kept up streaming, that would have stood out as her enjoyable traits rather than the faggotry that lead to just spamming bread. It's not like she can't shine either, she was the only funny member in the ministry stream because she stayed on point rather than bringing up inane nonsense, also anytime she was talking shit to other members in pokemon it was a goldmine.

Pokemon autism ruined her return because he had to compete with all of EN and also prevented her from engaging her job on a meaningful level, she could just turn her brain off for pokemon and react to that, rather than actually test out different content and grow as a streamer. If she comes back and does the same shit again, fans need to insist she keeps her content varied, for her own sake.

nepotism hires can work in theory but....

Having low subs isnt a crime, but playing genshin instead of streaming on the other hand... requires the boot.

>>19531298
>Chaos and Hope
>Nature and Civilization
>Time oversees all
This dynamic works better

>>19536708
When she hits Genshin's obnoxious endgame paywall she'll stream again for money. Hope some fucker sends an SC with the message Genshin funds to call her out.

>>19536989
Thanks for the idea gonna use that when she streaming again

Proof that Sanallites are the most well-adjusted fanbase. She doesn't stream every day, which means we can actually have lives and the time to improve ourselves outside of watching streamers all day like mentally ill neets.

>>19526597
Sanallites really must be her only "antis". I legitimately just forget she exists and when I am reminded it's not like I hate her. She's just utterly forgettable.

>>19534573
She will probably only call into councils (and maybe Ina and Mori’s birthdays). She was a no show for Ame’s

>>19521911
>She's so irrelevant I forget she even exists
how could you even start this thread then?

>>19530038
she'd have to stream for me to know

>>19537673
I don't know how you manage that when people are shitting up the catalog with these threads every day

>>19523919
just 4 u

>>19531021
Lol

>>19521911
If she graduates then nothing of value was lost

>>19538074
Sana likes Mori? As if I needed more reason to avoid her.

>>19529089
it's literally the star thing on her chest (her original outfit)

>>19530229
>she doesn't care about what would happen to her character
Would you, after the dogshit they gave her? The only good thing about it is that it wasn't some other better streamer that got slapped with it. Imagine if someone else got into EN2 instead of her, and the girls had to swap the avatars around?

>>19543116
>they gave her
She's the one who asked for this dogshit design

>>19543607
She doesn't get to pick the base design, none of them do. She did however get her say in the New Years outfit, which had horrid color contrast and made her look like a surfboard, I suspect there she didn't care to give any input other than horse head.

her design is pretty gud desu gura's design is pretty retarted but it still did not hinder her becoming #1

>>19543863
>She did however get her say in the New Years outfit
> I suspect there she didn't care to give any input
So she fucked it up by having both too much and not enough input at the same time? Or are you blaming pako?

>>19523555
Aussies are killing it in the indie scene, whilst the corpo ones aren't that great desu. That's usually how it goes though.

>>19521911
This is a lot of words just to say she lives rent free in your head.

>>19521911
i hate her so fucking much
stole a spot from another girl basically

>>19544237
1st Outfit: 0 input
2nd Outfit: Opportunity to give input, gave little.

I blame both. Pako is an incredible illustrator, probably the best Cover has hired, but his design choices are not pleasant for long-term viewing for something like a vtuber. His recent Sana piece is proof, it's an amazing illustration, but try and look at that jacket for a 3 - 12 hour stream and your eyes will bleed.
Don't know who to blame, rigger or artist, but Sana needs more frames for her mouth movements so she doesn't look like the exorcist when she speaks.

>>19543863
>She doesn't get to pick the base design, none of them do
Nene literally picked a Kagura looking design, with -aru included, because she's a huge gintamafag
Sana's roommate has a twitter avatar with brown skin color
They clearly get to say what they want, it's not like it's still early hololive where they had the designs ready and then let people audition for those characters

>>19544389
is this really the best defense sanacucks can come up with?

she's not living rent-free in my head, she's working wage-free to produce dopamine for me every time i ridicule and make fun of her pathetic vtuber career

>>19545351
>Ollie clearly wanted to be a autism-colored zombie and definitely didn't talk about being upset by it
>IRyS pushed to be a fucking goblinoid
>Chloe desperately wanted to be a masked orca, that's why she never wears the mask on stream
>Trust Nene, the clinically depressed, art-stealing moeball to tell the truth on something she had changed as soon as possible

Kiara explicitly said applicants don't get a choice in their character. Not to mention there's been thrown out designs, so there's evidence of Cover having designs on hand waiting for the right person to use them. Sana being a double nigger is a coincidence.

>>19545972
>>Ollie clearly wanted to be a autism-colored zombie and definitely didn't talk about being upset by it
>ID
Irrelevant sidebranch
>>IRyS pushed to be a fucking goblinoid
There's nothing wrong with IRyS design, it's just the rigging being incompatible with the artstyle
>>Chloe desperately wanted to be a masked orca, that's why she never wears the mask on stream
The mask is just a gimmick prop, otherwise it wouldn't be removable
>>Trust Nene, the clinically depressed, art-stealing moeball to tell the truth on something she had changed as soon as possible
So the gintamafag getting the gintama traced design was just a coincidence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsM5ymLYYTo
Sana's roommate wanting to be brown in her avatar despite being a Zhang, and the holo she got being brown was also a coincidence. Sana being Pako's worst design so far is just because Pako hated her

You have to be fucking retarded

>>19545443
>produce dopamine for me
That high must be wearing pretty thin at this point. Is that why these posts seem to be coming more freqently than they were?

>>19546426
>Irrelevant side branch
Why did you even waste time coming up with other counterpoints when you proved you're full of shit with no effort in the first round.

>>19531600
NTA but I remember Kiara translating, and she basically said:
"If it wasn't for that, shr wouldn't be in hololive... And she probably wouldn't be here at all".
Guess he refers this. You can audibly feel the discomfort on Kiara before changing the topic.

>>19546723
Someone literal who from ID won't have a say about what they want compared to the second generation of a successful branch, and a famous artist on top of that, retard

>>19535811
>no see sana has a lot of work
>all of her dogs keep dying
>she had a debuff model bro
>it's because of the mean 4chan posts
>she's an ARTIST
>you're not entitled to streams!
STOP MAKING EXCUSES YOU FUCKING FAGGOT. A MILLION EXCUSES WHEN WE COULD JUST NOT HAVE THREADS ABOUT INA'S RETARDED FRIEND.

>>19546426
>wants to shit on Sana.
>Shits on her design to do so.
>Some people hating Pako not Sana for that though, no good
>make up rrat that she did in fact do the design, not the artist who got paid and credited for it.
Just to highlight why schizo is pushing "brown skin" from an artist who does a lot of darker skinned characters as such massive input.

>>19521911
If "least amount of subscribers" was an issue, all the Holostars would be cut first, and it would be mass retirements until only Gura is left

>>19547501
>double brown is just a coincidence I swear, she had no say in the design despite her coworkers clearly having a say in their designs!
>NY costume? W-well, she didn't want to try!
the fucking state of sanalites

>>19546995
So gen 1 became iconic because of designs that they didn't have any input in, therefore the logical conclusion for gen 2 is to give them all the right to give input for their models?
Keep saying retard at the end of every sentence too, it totally proves your originality and not that you're a dirty mouthbreather who can only construct opinions based on the hottest shitposts. You're like the edgy version of reddit that see a picture of Marine and spam Horny like it's still funny after 2 years.

>>19521911
>How long until she graduates from HoloEN for having the least amount of subscribers?
Retard. No one has ever graduated for having a low sub count, not even 2views

>>19535811
I disagree with the part of the break not influencing at least partly her growth because it was righr im the middle of the honeymoon phase. She could've gathered more viewers if she had capitalized on that, but wasn't able to properly do it.
And yeah, the lolrandom streams might turn some off, but at least they differentiate you from your peers, and finding an identity is extremely important, especially if you are actually a fan of the subject. The loss of Sana and Mumei autistically exposing their knowledge of space and civilization is the biggest loss from Council.
Pokemon autism too. Instead of playing 12 hours straight, just play 12 hours in 6 or 7 different streams, but seeing that she chose the former development, to me it's obvious that she just wanted to play and not stream.
If she really does read /vt/ for feedback unironically (wouldn't discard that becayse aussie autism), she really should just look at meme threads or appreciation threads. There's much love even in this cespool of degeneracy, but goddammit JUST STREAM.
Very dissapointing.
t. Day 1 Sanalite turned into /rrat/ bro

>>19547174
cheer up

>>19542824
She went to her pokemon tournnament and befoere that she was in her tea stream with Fauna.
Sana probably still likes her enough.
Just enough. Not sure how she felt after witnessing Mori autistically screeching about Getting Over It and acting like an arrogant kotaku reviewer praising Jump King. That was a deal breaker for me, and I liked Mori before that shit.

>>19540853
I'm so mad they could have given that killer model with giant milkers to someone talented instead

>>19547666
Myth success caught cover by surprise. after that they had more than a year to prepare for the new gen. If you claim Sana's shitty design was because of Pako, who only gets paid to draw whatever people tell him to draw, or Cover decided to make the worst holo design for the second gen of the successful branch, then you have to be delusional. Sana even got Tou_ilie as the rigger (you probably don't even know who he is), while Gura got the rhombus retard

>>19547634
Im not saying she didnt ask to be brown schizo, im saying that doesnt amount to making the design and how it turned out.

>>19538074
> She was a no show for Ame’s
Just trying to be more like her idol Mori I guess.

>>19526597
>Also if it weren't for these "anti" threads (probably made by a sanallite) I would have forgotten she existed.
As a nijinigger, she is the only one council I remember for this exact reason
everyday there's Sana threads discussing the same thing over and over again

>>19548233
Given that she chose twintails (braided) for her NY costume and how Pako's brown characters don't look at bad as Sana, it's very safe to assume she got a say in the skin color, as well as the color palette

>>19529588
>woman possibly with kazoku desperate for internet validation
This is what kills vtubing for me.

>>19535811
Vtubers don't deserve you unequivocal support. If they fail like Sana has then they need to make up for it, not just run and hide, or even worse retreat into a hugbox that encourages bad habits like Mori has.

>>19545351
Good for Calli that turned her big titted slut reaper
into something that represented her tastes in the first outfit
same for Kiara
the rest of myth first alt was just boring

>>19521911
After Mel and choco

>How long until she graduates from HoloEN for having the least amount of subscribers?
>She's so irrelevant I forget she even exists, I wish I could feel sorry for her but she never really put in the effort to stand out or gain a personality besides "bread"
>I really wanted to like her but she's so fucking DRY. Nothing about her really feels natural, and Cover messed up by casting 2 Australians so she didn't even have that going for her
>Her hiatus tanked any early momentum she would have had too, more so because she did it extremely early when she was supposed to get the bulk of her growth
>When Anya has more subscribers than someone from HoloEN, you know you messed up

>>19548390
It's sad when she lives in the mind of a nijinig more than she live streams.
I don't consider myself an anti, but I wouldn't mind her graduating at this point.
Same reasoning as why I think Mori should graduate. It pakns me to say it, but they already have relatively succesful RMs, or at least it seems losing the Hololive income won't hurt them much. At this point they should seek for what makes them happy instead of forcing themselves to do something they obviously hate or hurts them.

>>19548517
>Pako's brown characters don't look at bad as Sana,
They also arent vtuber models.
> it's very safe to assume
Lol, sure it is.
> she got a say in the skin color,
Quite possibly
>as well as the color palette
Its not disimilar to arjunas

You're trying to make the case that the artist they hired do design and draw the character in fact didnt and its all Sanas fault cause brown skin, but its ok guys because
>its very safe to assume
Its fine rrat peddling, but I dont buy it.

>>19521911
Retiring gracefully implies a level of respect for your fans. They'll make Cover fire her for job abandonment first.

>>19549280
>Its not disimilar to arjunas
The same Arjuna that has black hair and the clothes don't look like part of his hair?

>>19547865
The honeymoon phase was definitely a thing for the other girls by that point, but I think Sana's ended earlier. Her views were flattening and Holoscopes were shit and their sharp decline in viewership compared to her regular content nails that point home, people had already made their minds up on her.
It's why I think her stabilizing and dropping the content that wasn't working would have been a more important result of streaming, her new subs would have eventually come from girls whose honeymoon phase expired and would see Sana had grown as a streamer.
Also, as important as it is to have a defining trait, the problem being constantly lolrandom is that it wears itself out very quick, it's a flash in the pan. It's why a lot of people tuned out of Haachama's content until she changed gears, randomness becomes predictable and you lose out next to someone who makes a genuine connection with the audience and content they're producing.
>>19548583
Don't think I implied otherwise, Sana needs to pull her finger out.

>>19548202
OK, lets switch gears, why did genderfluid Kronii request a big-tittied woman for her design?

>>19544045
Sana's design is bad. It's mainly little things that add up. Her hair is trying to incorporate too many elements so it looks like a mess. She has Satoshi Urushihara eyes that make her look cheap and outdated, and are too cutesy for the rest of her look. Worst of all is her skin tone which is too blue, so she looks like she's made of mud or something. Her skin tone needs more red for warmth.

>>19549938
Tits sell
What did they expect to sell with Sana's design?

Kek, this fucking bitch deserves the hate. Imagine getting outperformed, outranked, and outsubbed by the Nijimales. Glad I jumped ship, since this lazy ass fucker doesn't care about her viewers.

>>19549630
Brown skin with white and dark blue clothes, even some pink in there.
>but black hair
Similar doesnt mean exactly the same

>>19549938
She didnt, all evidence suggests that they pushed it on her and she is incredibly unhappy with it.

I like her but she doesn't stream
Stream at least thrice a week you shitposter

>>19550238
>she is incredibly unhappy with it.
She would be Sana tier without her tits

>>19549724
True. Maybe she could've compatibilized her random shit with regular stuff. Or maybe help Ame with LA CREATIVIDAD. She's an artist, she should have some, and she obviously wanted to collaborate even a little, like that Ame in the A.M. episode.
Who knows if she's willing to work in Hololive anymore. Her latest tweet is about fucking Pokemon, and before that about amelive, and before that the 6 month anni.
It's sad, since maybe I'm one of the three persons in the world who actually like Sana's design. Her accent kinda puts me off after long exposure but I like it enough.
Welp, another dead chubba walking, gotta find a new one.

>>19550238
>anya and kronii hate their tits
Why hate that which gave you a living.

>>19550238
>>19550054
So much for the council getting to pick their design then
I will fucking end Kronii if she ever tries to alter her design. The rigging and expressions are golden and she would be nothing without them accentuating her reactions.

>>19550580
Women
They don't want to admit they got popular because of their designs

>>19550495
As Ina said, being good at art doesn't necessarily make you creative. Sana is creative though, she just needs to channel the energy into something that wasn't star signs.
I keep thinking of Pomu's ranking pokemon by their edibility and just think that's the kind of shit Sana could do, creative streams based around common interests shared with her viewership.

>>19550238
what evidence?

>>19521911
I think her real problem is that she wants to stay in character and be always chirpy and upbeat in her streaming appearances, but realistically that's not possible. A normal person has a lot of ups and downs, and idols share their pains with audience very often.
But Sana choose to only stream when she's feeling happy. That's why she barely streams (and is only happy/only streams when there's Pokemon)

>>19544775
I really like this picture. I do think it was a mistake to make the background the same color as the jacket. I color-picked the dark purple on the inside of her coat to replace the BG, and I think it does a better job at highlighting her pinkish hues along with how nicely they contrast with the jacket.

I do feel bad for Pako. His enthusiasm for Hololive is palpable, with how he's the only art "mama" in Council who made artwork for the Opposite Day collab & his frequent Hololive fanarts. Him and an equally enthusiastic VTuber daughter would have been a power couple.

>>19551041
kiara has mentioned many times that a member of council has been very very unhappy with their design and given how all the girls sans kronii have talked about how they love their design theres really only one option

>>19551587
But Kroni's design is hard carrying her.

>>19551666
Kronii doesn't like the big boobs
She almost always hide them in solo streams

>>19552822
But those boobs are the only interesting thing about her. She has a weird face and hair, and her personality is bitter and awkward. Without those fat tits she is nothing.

>>19552822
Maybe she should've gotten the Sana design instead, what an ungrateful bitch

>>19529089
that's the physical manifestation of irrelevance

>>19553763
No im happy with sana having her voice actor it fits her, and honestly kronii might have accepted sanas model more considering her tits are so fucking big it reaches the point where its just retarded to be uncomfortable with such thing

>>19552822
you dont watch streams do you
see: her latest hades stream. tits up front and center

>>19529588
Aki didn’t do that. A clipper that saw her voicing her concerns on her performance and her appreciation for the viewers she already had clipped and translated it and went to Leddit to raise awareness.
She wasn’t begging for views, she was saying she needed to work harder to get more views and overcome her anxieties. She was completely caught off guard by the sudden numbers jump afterward when saviorfags poured in.

>>19521911
Does any other general keep posting the debut stream link in the OP? Every time I see that my first thought is that she hasn't streamed at all since the debut because of that.

>>19521911
If they didn't graduate Aki and Mel before with the awful numbers the pull, then I doubt they'd do it with Sana. If anything they'll fire her for her shitty work ethic.

>>19551369
Imagine if Pako has been paired with Baelz instead.

Sana cute
Fuck all of you

>>19559545

>>19559131
Aki's an interesting case because a lot of the saviorfags actually stayed instead of moving to their next target

>>19521911
Worst thing is, she won't go anywhere unless Hololive legit fires her and that won't happen. Looks like once you managed to pass the audition you are free to do whatever the fuck you want apparently.

>>19561150
I believe they can just not renew the contract. If her work ethic is bad and she can't generate considerable revenue, there's no point in keeping the talent and make the company look bad

sana love

>>19550580
Some people just don't like big boobs.
>inb4 they're a faggot
No, they just find big boobs unappealing. And with Kronii's case, I can understand. They're arguably TOO big, causing some viewers to be distracted from her personality and entertainment experience she tries to provide. She doesn't want people focusing on her boobs the whole time.

As an outside observer who knows nothing about this situation, I can't help but be a little disappointed, because it's plainly obvious that for one reason or another, Sana has more or less completely pushed Hololive aside while she focuses on... whatever she's been doing for the past months.
I hope she can come back and resume normal streaming eventually, and has fun doing it, but part of me fears she's intentionally picking up work to avoid streaming.

Sana's excuse for not streaming is that she is "really busy" and "working on a big project for Cover". What fucking project would Cover give her that would prevent her from streaming AT MINIMUM 3 days per week? Either (1) Sana is outright lying, (2) she is just incredibly lazy, or (3) Cover is outright retarded. Maybe it's all 3.

>>19521911
Cover will keep her around purely so they can get her to do artwork for them. I mean, they keep Ayame around too and she doesn't really provide anything of value.

>>19537478
It's true. When Sana stopped streaming, I just went to do other things unrelated to vtuber

>>19566944
ayame still does random content for cover, sponsorships, collabs, and then picks up a fat bag whenever she does solo streams

The only thing she doesn't do is solo streams which you think would be reflected with no superchats but instead she just gets massive super chats whenever she does the rare stream. Not sure why cover would be upset with any of this.

>>19568170
yeah, when ayame does get around to doing her job she's pretty good at it. sana on the other hand is putting in zero effort

>>19568170
thing is Sana's superchats have been dwindiling the past few streams, and she isn't entertaining like Ayame is.

>>19521911
We know that new hires are required to stream at least three times a week for an hour, so whatever's going on, COVER must be fine with it. The alternative is that she's breaking her contract unless that requirement wasn't included in her contract for some reason. Has she mentioned why she hasn't streamed at all recently? Has she said anything?

>>19521911
I wonder just how much is Ina regretting inviting her to holoEN. Surely that made her image bad to the higher ups or staffs because of how lazy her nepotism hire is

>>19521911
https://youtu.be/qdHzSbKE5mE

>>19571761
I can't believe she got fired for racism.

>>19543116
Sana design bad is just a scapegoat to excuse her miniscule appeal as a streamer. If you want to see dogshit designs look at original flare and even she garnered a good fanbase and reputation. Fucks sake even shuba has one of the worst riggings and yet she's one of the most popular ones, it all comes down to the streamer itself.

>>19536989
yea that's actually just good enough to get the point across without being obvious to those not in the know. That said I think its pointless, she won't give a shit, not even if its from a 6month sanalite.

>>19521911
Lazy fucking whore

>>19547174
>>no see sana has a lot of work
>>she's an ARTIST

Mixing the truth with bullshit isn't good faith, and those two statements are the only bit of truth in there. She is a contract artist that works on games, Cover know this and I 100% guarantee she has a clause in her contract to cover things like this. She isn't going to leave Cover anytime soon.

>>19574000
You low IQ mong, I was explaining the fucking excuses given for her not streaming.

>>19529588
Talking shit about Aki = subhuman. Simple as.

>>19571485
Cover are definitely fine with it, but whether or not it's a smart business decision is another thing entirely, it makes everyone look bad. Wasting the time of everyone who got invested is pretty fucking awful.
Watch her valentines stream for her excuses, they ring hollow when she hasn't even communicated to her fans once since then.

>>19571994
No wonder Calliope was so upset.

>>19522120
I've actually thought about that very question. But no woman ever has.

>>19566944
Cover doesn't need Sana to be a vtuber to comission art from her. This reasoning makes no sense. I just want to know why Cover is invested in Sana, speculating about Sana's motivations is irrelevant beause Cover has the power to fire her at any time yet they don't.

>>19574898
There's no benefit to firing her. Her salary is a pittance and just by existing she still results in a passive income flow. Graduating her would just cause unnecessary controversy.
A bad investment only truly becomes a loss if you sell.

I feel bad for Ina for sticking up with her

>>19574616
Now that I think about it.
Maybe she produces more money with her behind the camera job than her streams, and that's why they won't terminate her.
If they said she's fired hhey'd be lying, and there's still a couple of hundred sc with her name on them that are waiting for her monthly stream.
I doubt it's true, but it's funnier to think on this outcome than the obvious.

>>19575249
Why? She might be the only person to miss her if she went away.

>>19522120
That sounds gay

>>19526597
>1) gets a place to advertise her art
Her art? Her actual illustration out put for Cover is pathetic (really only the debut tapestry, and now the anniversary illustration, that's pretty much nothing for 6 months, especially when you consider that the going copexcuse for her absences was always "b-but she's soooo busy working on aaaaaall that Hololive art she's totally doing behind the scenes, you'll see !!!!").
If you mean her roommate art, ehh, kayfabe restrictions limit actual crosspromotion potential (you'd have to be already "in the know" about her other job for her to "advertise" that stuff via Hololive to you), and she's already working for FGO, that's pretty "up there" and it's not like she can market any future (non Holo) illustration jobs with "oh yeah btw I'm also the famous Hololive talent Sana Tsukumo"

>2) gets to hang out with friends like Ina more often
>3) gets to hang out with her favorite holos like Korone
That "hanging out" part would require her to ACTUALLY STREAM, which she doesn't do. Sure, you can say "but they can at least hang out behind the scenes and chat in discord now", but with everything to shown from Sana's IDGAF "hololive is just a disposable side job for me" -attitude, do you think she even bothers enough to hang out with the Holos backstage at least? Haha no, that'd take time away from her valuable first priorities, drawing for her gacha main job, and retweeting gacha art on her roommate account.

>>19575360
thing is, she doesn't "cost" them money, as long as the simp SCs (plus memberships, merch commissions and whatever else) from her few monthly streams exceed the expenses they have for her (the model has already long since paid itself off, so I guess now the only running "expense" is a proportion of manager salaries etc.)

The true "cost" of her is more of an "opportunity cost", meaning the lost income you'd have if you had gotten a better more profitable streamer in her place instead, but that is now a "sunk" cost, as you can't really fire and replace her (would be an unnecessary PR nightmare, more trouble than it is worth), so you just have to continue drag her freeloading ass along for the ride, and just hope that you have better scouting luck in the next generation and don't onboard more duds like her.

Because that's also another, more immaterial "cost" of the whole debacle. With her, you have basically shown to all future applicants that they can abuse the system all they want, there's no real enforcement of the "minimum streaming requirement" paper-tiger, and that once they got in, they can be as lazy and passive as they want and get away with it (sure, that was already clear from some JP talents, but letting that cancer attitude also fester in EN unopposed is only making things worse). Which is kinda bad if you want motivated, dedicated and committed streamers, and less grifters, and it only worsens the future applicant pool

>>19571094
the real thing about Ayame is that she's too cute and she knows it and knows how to use it.

>that goddamn laugh
I hate that I feel this way

>>19571094
yeah I didn't say that in defense of sana just that ayame is totally different. sana is 100% useless leech who's salary will either be slashed or she'll have a very different contract if she even gets another one.

>>19537478
this is what a lethal dose of copium looks like

>>19521911
>ayame streams more often than her
im unironically worried about Sana, aren't holos supposed to stream three times a week at least? its their contract...

>>19577447
This. Companies operate on a potential financial returns, if breaking even was the only objective then they would go under. Working at cover by doing a different job than the one she's hired isn't a win, it's a trade, it messes with income projections and business strategies, there is no universe in which the current situation is favorable to Cover.
Cover might seem a bit more lenient, but guaranteed there's a project lead in Cover seething at Sana for not pulling income. Why do you think companies get so anal about people doing other things on company time?

Sana is the ultimate tourist, joins up to hang out with talents and fucks off to do other things. A parasite, a Connor with benefits

>>19534184
at least iofi streams

>>19577447
It's not just the individual cost of her to Cover. The opportunity cost stacks for each member of Council who have their prospects dampened by an absent genmate and the associated reduction in fan hype and enthusiasm.

>>19578237
the only reason people do not complain about Sana more is because there is BaeRyS
Irys as the wildcard saving this mess

>>19578427
well yeah between irys filling in and just no one even liked her when she stopped streaming it's just hard to care about sana she might as well have never even debuted.

>>19578427
Caesura of Space
>Sana will fade away
>BaeRyS will light your day
>Hope has replaced
>And Sana is Alone

>>19577447
Oh yeah, I didn't take into account the opportunity cost.
And the last part is the only thing that worries me really, because for me it means less streams and more unenjoyable an lazy talents.
I'd rather have a fired/retired chubba than one actively there because of the contract and not enjoying what she does because that is part of the fun for me.

>>19532935
Anon, most people have never watched sana, that's not exactly some grand revelation
She doesn't even give people the opportunity to, she never streams enough for people to even watch her

>>19529588
Reddit did fuck all but give her pity subs, she completely reinvigorated herself as a streamer and made Japanese viewers feel valued
Matsuri doesn't do this and its why her numbers have been shit for a long time

If you don't care about your audience and you just phone it in, new potential viewers will look elsewhere and old fans will be swayed away by new talent

>>19534184
Like that other anon said, at least she streams
Unfortunately for her, people still remember her flipping out at people when asked to translate an event she was intended to translate

>>19535811
Anon, you literally spent more time writing this post than sana has spent steaming this month

>>19537478
Anon, most oshi's are funded by neets with autism bux, the only exception is probably kson

>>19544775
This picture gave me eye aids

the funniest part about Sana's failure is that it's entirely on her. She sabotaged her own momentum by taking a month off immediately after debut and streamed infrequently ever since. Even despite the dark skin debuff she could've had a real fanbase

>>19578540
>well yeah between irys filling in and just no one even liked her when she stopped streaming it's just hard to care about sana
Its also because her Twitter is sporadic. Which is fine if you're under break normally or if shits going wrong, but she's not updating either. Hope she at least gives out one update next week.

>>19559545
Sana doesn't stream
Mind as well fuck yourself

>>19562412
Isn't that basically what happened to one of the stars, the samurai dude?

>>19575249
Ina was the retard that brought her friend that had ZERO streaming experience
Subaru worked despite no streaming experience because she was a sociable person her whole life
Sana has always just been autistic

What gets me is that why doesn’t any of her viewers ask why she isn’t streaming. You see her latest posts on Twitter and it’s just people applauding her taste in Pokemon. She still has her JANUARY schedule pinned. I really like Sana but this radio silence sucks. Fucking say something.

>>19521911
Her contract is one year long so probably after their one year anniversary.

>>19579586
They don't want to scare her off.

>>19579401
which is funny, 'cause she's busy retweeting gacha art on her roommate account basically every other hour (seriously, compare her activity on her holo twitter acc to her roommate's, it is a farce at this point).
So you can't even give her the excuse "w-well, she's just too busy for twitter", she is clearly not. She could do at least give her Hololive fans the same attention and do the bare minimum social media activity, hell just lazily retweet Hololive fanart like you do on your roommate account anyway, it takes no extra effort ... but no, she just. does. not. care

>>19577447
This, if sana was some indie no one would ever give a shit.
Sana is a company mascot that makes the company look like shit

>>19579586
She already made it clear with her "fuck you" literal middlefinger what she thinks about anyone expecting her to actually stream. So reasonable people have long since fucked off from her, and only the saddest of cucks remain who'll keep eating her shit with a grin because anything else would be "entitled" and offend her

>>19579770
thats sad, at least she could an hour long stream once or twice a week, but not even that...

>>19579586
Sana doesn't have a fanbase, she just has people that subscribed at debut and occasionally autoplay into her old streams after they passed out watching someone else

>>19579770
anything to engage her fanbase would be nice, it doesn't need to be something mindblowing or interesting, just tweet about your breakfast or a funny cloud you saw the other day, anything but radio silence. Entertainers NEED to be on the audience's mind, otherwise they'll forget and move onto whatever catches their eye.

>>19578427
Basically. A lot of people have probably mentally replaced Sana with IRyS by now.

>>19580007
this is the problem with EN in general. It's so easy to put an hour in a week, you don't have to play video games, you could browse fanart live or something for an hour and shoot the shit. It's.that.easy. But most of them spend more time finding excuses than streaming that I don't know how they have any fans at all.

>>19580007
I thought bare minimum she might do a pokemon presents watchalong.

>>19579896
>only the saddest of cucks remain who'll keep eating her shit with a grin because anything else would be "entitled" and offend her
This shit will kill vtubing.

>>19579770
One of the few logical explanations that doesn't make her look like a complete bitch is that she already told Cover she wanted to quit and they're waiting for the right time to announce it.

>>19580086
to what degree is this true though?
most of the other holos in EN have been busy, have been preparing things behind the scenes, and Ame is moving
its completely unlike Sana's situation

>>19580007
Anon, sana legitimately doesn't care about hololive, people here aren't being mean, she does not care about her job and it would probably relieve her to be let go

>>19580245
Omega isn't announcing it because not having Space will fuck with his precious lore and he's having a mental breakdown trying to salvage it. Space is just Nature on a larger scale anyway

>>19580264
you could pngtuber for an hour talking about how you took a walk today and rake in hundreds in superchats in hololive, that doesn't sound hard to me. I don't know what all this background shit is that they all have to do but I fail to see how it's a full time job

>>19580596
You could even just do a silent "listen to me work in the background" stream if you wanted to (as some other vtubers and even Holos have done before), it literally takes zero effort and you'd be doing something you'd be doing anyway (working), you'd also just throw a lazy bone to your fans at least at the same time. But no, she doesn't even do that

>>19580732
let's be real, most of these fans would drag their nuts through a mile of broken glass to hear them fart through a walkie talkie. Fucking stream.

>>19580732
Just like Ina had that whole ass stream where she was cleaning her room and brought chat along. So Sana’s other responsibilities keep her busy. Sure whatever but then why apply for Hololive if you’re so swamped with your other work? We’ll never know why and it sucks for the viewers waiting for her.

>>19580909
one of the highlights of a gura collab with mori was her waiting for mori and vacuuming her room

>>19580086
>this is the problem with EN in general.
Not in general, and certainly not to that degree. There are a few ENs who are rock solid and stream pretty consistently. And those that don't at least do some fan interaction reps on social media etc to keep their fans informed about what's going on in the meantime, instead of just ghosting them radio silent for weeks.
Sure, the carousel of excuses (tummy hort, ISP hort, college hort, I'm moving, I'm working on something, etc.) can be annoying, but at least they do the bare minimum of still (pretending to) care about their fans and giving them something (even if it's just excuses) at all for the absences instead of just not bothering and fucking off without a care

>>19580784
Reminds me of that vtuber whose claim to fame was farting, got tired of it and reincarnated in order to start over only to have fans of her old farting persona find her and demand she fart on stream again.

>>19580596
>I don't know what all this background shit is that they all have to do
ame: moving
fauna: preparing for bday
ina: sick
gura: covid
mori: surgery + roomate working on MV
myth: preparing for 3D concert in three weeks
ame + mumei + kronii + fauna + ina : travel and off collab
irys: releasing more music, recording and preparing bday stream
fauna: also preparing for bday stream
kronii: pc fucking died

they have been pretty busy anon

>>19581000
I work 45 hour weeks and I still find time at night to catch up on streams and shitpost on here, sounds like their priorities for their chosen profession are a little fucked up

>>19580979
At least say something to the viewers. Just like what other anons said, she could do a talking stream and catch everyone up with how she’s doing. That Pokemon presentation thing was a perfect chance for a watchalong but no.

>>19581090
That's not even close to a good comparison, it would make more sense if you were hopping from your first job onto another one or into preparing for the next day

>>19581090
how so? in spite of that most of them have been streaming
also, anon, im not gonna congratulate you because you can post on 4chan AND hold a job

>>19521911
the only one who is graduating is you from life faggot

>>19580073
Even Mumei given how she listed members in her draw streams

>>19581265
If you can sit in front of a computer you can turn on a stream for a little bit, I don't need to be patted on the back for wasting my life on here but you have to understand that there are 24 hours in a day and if they can't find 1 to entertain the fans that pay for them they have to fix something

>>19532862
nah thats you

>>19581219
I'm still salty she didn't do a watchalong for that. When's the next time a new pokemon gen gonna be announced with an EN hololive girl that genuinely loves the series?

>>19578427
I want to take every chance I can to say that Irys' Bae impression was amazing.

>>19577769
It helps that Ayame also has a model buff instead of a model debuff like Sana.
Ayame knows how to be cute as fuck but it would have less of an impact if it came from a model like Sana's.
Of course the Model is just a debuff not the deciding, Irys certainly proved that.

I feel bad for the Sanalites that are left over. I gave her a pass over the dog break, but if this is gonna be how she is from now on, i'd probably suggest either sending her SC's to critique her or moving on. And if she's anything like Mori she won't listen.

sana-chan work hard, please andastd

>>19581360
the only people who went through periods of not producing content at all were the other were the two that got sick and ame (not sure if they did members streams tho), kronii even without her pc did those twitter spaces bs
do not act like a karen anon, they are unsightly

>>19566188
im a pettan enjoyer and I was really put off by kronii's big tits, still managed to catch some of her streams a couple weeks after debut though. I still think it would look super hot if she had flat tits but it seems a lot of people just like super large anime tits

>>19581494
when will cover update Irys' model, fuck her design