/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I can hear the sound of her grating teeth on the other side of the planet

>>19475739
I want Iofi to snap my neck with her chonky thighs as I'm going down on her.

If she's been an artist for a while, she's probably dealt with people stealing her art and claiming it's theirs before. Long time artists are usually pretty hardcore against plagiarism and shit.

Ah I checked out her art and she's kind of intermediate level.

>>19475739
What a condescending cunt.

>>19475739
Nobody remembers her

>>19475739
Isn't Iofi's art style pretty terrible. I rather Nenechi learn from Ina.

She wants Nene gone and has motive for it. The Hololive unity is all but dead and Lofi smells blood in the water. Expect more shit flinging and public bullying real soon. I love it

Iofi has no self-awareness does she? People will connect this tweet with her old tweets on the matter.

Yeah, she wouldn't want Nene to trace THIS.

>>19476243
A random jap dramafag actually posted one of her tweets below it

>>19476287
based

>>19476251
How old is this picture? She's been drawing for so long and I've never seen real improvements in her skill.

>>19475739
non artists and artists like iofi who draws for how long but still sht are the ones who are so vocal about this sht.
ask any pro level artists and they won't even bother about this kind of stuff

>>19476328
it's actually kind of impressive how consistent her art is

>>19476340
pro artists dont care because stealing shit is one of the steps for becoming a good artist, they all know this, moralfags get filtered and never git gud

>>19476340
Probably because shit artists hoard every half-decent piece like it was their masterpiece, pros simply move on to the next job and are always in competition with both themselves and their peers to up their game.

>>19476340
Because everyone at the top is on nonstop crunch and deadlines and know the trade secrets of how to reference without it being too obvious
Iofi is autistic and i have no idea why a woman like her who supposedly went to art school is so anal about this shit, i guess her professors never let her in on how the real world is

You have to actually try to get better. If you're practicing shit wrong, you're just training yourself to do shit badly. It can actually fuck you over long term and you have to unlearn all your bad habits. It's like exercising with bad form.

>>19476243

the only thing i can think about would be an intense 3some with nene and iofi right now

>>19476413
And Iofi will never learn this kind of advice, because her audience is probably full of yes-men

>>19476518
Hey, she finally stopped drawing eyes weird, so she does improve... somewhat...

>>19476481
>nene and iofi
And me. Thanks for thinking about my well being man.

>>19475926
Based?

>>19476426
Oof

>>19475926
Dare I say... based?

>>19476413
Well tracing is bad for you too. And worse because several artists scorn you for tracing. Nene probably did it because that was the only way she was showing improvements.

You have to grab artists better than you, reference their shit, and try to apply it to your work. Like literally trace and copy and all you want in private and in personal studies and then apply what you learned to your shit.

No one cares if you trace for learning purposes but if you use it for comercially used images, well, this can happen

nipplesanji slide thread.

>>19476100

>>19478792
Jesus, how can someone be that arrogant, despite being this bad.
Consult my ass, bitch. Go back to tracing. Maybe you'll actually learn something.

>>19475739
Just imagine that someone who hates art tracing just found out that she belongs to a company full of cheaters, scammers and art-tracers. Her seething if understandable.

>>19475739
Jesus christ tell me this is fake.
I think nene was wrong but Iofi BARELY counts as an artist, she has no right to be this condescending

>>19476100
No one has ever stolen Iofis dogshit art

>>19475739
>woman having opinion
this upsets me

I'm the only one who don't mind Iofi art?
Is clear she is going the old shoujo way (pic related).
Ay least is not old BL shit or early Kyoani...

>>19479958
>picrel
manga ending isn't real
manga ending can't hurt me

>>19479958
>Vampire Knight
Oh god, this shit unlocks some painful memories

>>19479010
I've tried my hand at a little bit of digital drawing and tracing. I don't feel like I learned anything from tracing.

>>19475926
Unfathomably based

Google Translate-kun...

>>19479737
It's not...
https://twitter.com/airaniiofifteen/status/1499291778800701441

I really love this thread, almost nobody here has ever done any good drawings in their lives or have any idea how the industry works, yet they still give their worthless opinion about it.
No, tracing isn't a nothing deal, it's incredibly disrespectful.

>>19478792
My biggest problem with this is the giant eyes, the rest is meh

>>19480652
i generally agree. even so what intrigues me is that namori's been commissioned by nene before, including for her birthday stuff right now. nene then going ahead and tracing some of her stuff sounds so incredibly retarded i don't even know how to react, she could've just asked namori for permission since they seemed to be in very good terms.

>>19480652
It's a nothingburger
artist is only one letter away from autist

>>19480070
you need to understand basic anatomy and value to learn from tracing, not neccesary to practice realism, just anatomy knowledge.

>>19476354
consistently shit

>>19475926
Start tracing art now

>>19480652
I think a lot of people here use specifically manga as an example, and yes, there's a ton of completely accepted copycats in the industry

>>19475739
she's the one that's spamming the nene thread
great artist steal -idk picasso or something

>>19480856
All artists steal shit, get over it chud incels - Abraham Lincoln

>>19480887

>>19480652
https://www.reddit.com/r/HunterXHunter/comments/1g1kx3/togashi_tracing_from_a_mens_fashion_magazine/
https://www.otakutale.com/2014/no-game-no-life-artist-yuu-kamiya-allegedly-caught-tracing-other-peoples-work/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/soranews24.com/2018/06/03/dragon-ball-artist-accused-of-plagiarism-by-tracing-action-scene-from-captain-marvel-comic/amp/
Even big dogs trace anon

>>19479010
I've seen worse Anon. Just go to skeb. You will see worse art. Artists ask for like 50-100$ per commision. And the best part is, they GET some commisions. I really don't understand that sometimes.

>>19475739
She never learns huh...
First among us, now this, it's like she wanted to be the center of attention but failed miserably

take your meds, faggots.

>nene drawings are traced
>the original artist doesn't really care since apparently they're good friends and a lot of artists reference and trace
>the only people seething are other artists
How is this anything other than a nothingburger?
I didn't even know Nene drew the art herself tbdesu

>>19475739
UOOOGGGHHHH MY NIPPLE GATE!!

>>19481219
Plagiarism is wrong and can be illegal, especially in Japan. The original artist didn't care... this time, because she is Nene's friend. If people start finding other art that she traced then it could be a different matter so it is good she got caught now.

>>19476340
/thread.

I’ve worked with many high-tier, notable artists/illustrators in my line of work, and they could not give two shits about this kinda stuff. They get that it happens, but realize it’s not really a threat to their work if they get sufficiently good and have a consistent output.
It’s the whiny developmentally challenged permachildren who constantly complain about this shit because they need something to do with all the time they’re not grinding their nose down and putting in the work needed to succeed in something as risky as art. The same kind of people who got into art because they didn’t want to get a real job, or because they can’t hold down a real job, and who somehow deluded themselves into thinking being an artist “is not a real job”.

They want the world to hold their hand as they pursue one of the most competitive career paths imaginable, and so they moralfag to do it. They don’t understand that there’s no reason anyone should give a single shit about their dreams or their expectations of what pursuing those dreams should look like. They’re children.

funny watching iofi seething over this when she's arguably one of the worst hololive artists to the point where the fact that her model itself is kinda based on that is pretty embarrassing

>>19481550
Sure.... those example here >>19481043 shows
exactly how big those consequance can be.

>>19480652
t.iofi

>>19481574
Referencing and tracing aren't the same thing, don't conflate the two.

>>19481619
not gonna read all of that

Tracing is bad.

>>19476426
That's why she's NGMI on drawing, she refuses to trace and improve.

>>19481645
she basically gets mogged in everything by Ina, if i was her i would be considering getting the rope.

(not that she wasn't getting BTFO'd by Marine and Flare already when she joined)

>>19481574
Find me the faggot who drew this strawman so I can doxx him

>>19481704
it is the same thing. all in all its just people getting butthurt over someone gaining something over that they perceive to be theirs. no originals were stolen.

>>19481799
>rustle
Now that's a name I haven't heard in a while

>>19481645
kek, even Ollie and reine draw better than her

>>19481968
>amateur artist gets btfo by pro artist
I'm not even one of the 5 loforia here but there's no shame in getting mogged by Ina

>>19481968
Bothering to compare Lofi to Ina to say she's getting mogged is disrespectful to Ina. You don't say an amateur chess player is bad by comparing him to a master.
Lofi gets mogged by people in hololive who don't even consider themselves artists. Her shit is almost impressively bad

>>19481645
what does art skill have to do with not liking tracing? I guess you're not allowed to criticize it either unless you show me right now one of your professional works

>>19476340
A good example of that is Ina making stuff in a 3D program and then tracing over it for the background, nobody gives a shit

>>19476426
the shape of anime faces and proportions is inherently unoriginal. if you had maybe 500 a
pixiv pictures you would have them all. you can't own a fucking body outline.

>>19482125
People should bring it up and remind everyone that Ina is a tracer too like the Korean dog she is. Nene should not suffer this indignity alone.

>>19476340
Kek rushia's artist dunked on nene

>>19482125
Tracing for background, nobody gives a fuck, but I'm sure if you saw ina tracing on top of someone else character and saying is her original artwork you wouldn't feel the same.
>>19481968
Both Ina and Marine are pro artists, so it's kind of unfair to compare her to them.
>>19482358
post proof

>>19481090
Amongus??

>>19480652
>yet they still give their worthless opinion about it
you god damned newfag, this is the very ethos of 4chan.

>>19481550
she traced the idolmaster picture

Why are you angry at Iofi? Nene fucked up and apologized for doing wrong.

>>19482422
Fool! this is not tracing! nenechi would never do something as shameful as tracing! Take it back now!

>>19482478
you don't understand, artist own poses now if they claim they drew it first

>>19482422
I saw the overlay on that one and it didn’t seem to match up perfectly I. Any area like some of the others did do I think she just used it as a reference rather can than tracing it.

>>19482125
Are you fucking retarded? You don't understand how that's completely different from tracing someone elses art?

>>19481574
Literally irrefutable. Iofi in shambles

I can't believe people are unironically defending stealing art.
I like Nene but come on
Here is a similar case (he didn't even trace) that I bet none of you would defend

>>19475739
sure tracing is bad, but why is she acting like she's the number 1 artist in hololive

>>19482583
It is the same. If nene is a tracer so is Ina, they are the same.
Either Nene didn’t do anything wrong or Ina is a hack and fraud, your choice.

>>19482628
>weebs seething because some chud boomer cartoonist is drawing things in anime art style
Many such cases. Weebs are also forgetting that the dude made Kinos such as Danny Phantom and Fairly Odd Parents

>>19482682
She isn’t.

>>19482583
I don't have any context since nobody bothered giving any

>>19482628
Prove that stealing is wrong.

Man, I don't even watch Iofi but since when is she so hated? every time I've seen people talking about her the discussions were either horny shit or extremely harmless

Man, this is literally Japanese sjws getting made over a nothingburger. Trying to score brownie points to come off as virtuous.

>>19481619
Based. Instant death from nuclear war is too kind of a mercy for these moralfags. They deserve to suffer and bleed for their stupidity and virtue signaling.

Iofi is the exact portrait of the lackluster artist who has no real talent or skills, and instead spends her time bitching about others instead of improving her own artistic skills

>>19482744
>Weebs are also forgetting that the dude made Kinos such as Danny Phantom and Fairly Odd Parents
No, they aren't, everyone recognizes that, but that doesn't mean he cannot get called out for being an asshole nowadays.

>>19482822
>>19482831
Hey man

>>19482182
You really don't understand what tracing is, do you?

More examples:
> http://img.memecdn.com/gearboy-tracing-example-2_webm_2557279.gif
> http://img.memecdn.com/gearboy-tracing-example-1_webm_2556793.gif
> https://i.gyazo.com/370fec016986f9828119a22bc85ffa99.gif

>>19482831
>Japanese sjws
Is there even such a thing?

>>19482041
>>19482090
>>19482383
I was referencing the fact that her model and character is based around art.

>>19475739
I love how artists spend their time crying about stolen art while developers share code with permissive licenses all the time. Artists really all have crab bucket mentality. Sharing more and allowing more tracing would raise the standards

>>19482518
To be fair, nene seems to do partial tracing on her drawings, she doesn't trace 100% but you identify lots of parts that match the drawings she's tracing, in this idolmaster illustration, the torso and arm positioning are the same but she drew an open hand and the head to make it different.
On the anniversary illustration she tweaked some curves here and there but the face's shape and eyes was practically the same.
>>19482723
It's different, ina never hid the fact that she traced her background so she isn't committing fraud, nene traced her characters and never said anything and even put it on her merch as her 100% original work. It's completely different.

>>19482879
The dude that disconnected on her missed out on so much

>>19482939
Well developers and engineers actually got into their careers excuse they love it or are skilled. Art is filled with crabs who want to work as little as possible. That’s why tracing is so controversial, it’s someone getting by easier than they are

>>19482822
she gets menhera fits, acts like she's anything other than a SEAnigg and a 3view.

>>19483029
Developers are way lazier than artists, it's why they share code in the first place. If you share other people will share and thus you'll benefit from it. Artists are proud of working 16 hours a day and are proud of being overworked all the time

>>19482822
She's acting like she's hot shit but she's really not, most people really dislike people like that

>>19482939
Sharing code with a little license that gives permission to do so is different from taking it without giving credit and passing it off as your own work and selling it as such with a new license.

>>19483222
But the point is that artists would never share their work under a permissive license in the first place

>>19475926
spbp

>>19482383
>post proof
>>19477901

>>19483288
You've yet to meet ghost artists have you

>>19483148
The puritans work ethic and its consequences were a disaster for the human race.

>>19481619
>Things that never happened, the post.

>>19483403
Pretty much, glorifying work itself over results is terrible

>>19483361
I don't know what that is, it's possible that I'm not aware of a big part of the industry. What I say applies to "visible artists" but maybe they're the minority and most art is done differently. For example for stuff like Blue Archive, there is some kind of "blue archive touch", so I guess artists here are less creative people and more assembly workers

>>19483288
Some do. For example TheBoogie loves Midna but hates drawing her super complicated helmet so he made a program that allows you to manipulate and position a 3D model of the helmet and overlay on it so you can quickly trace it. He shared this with the world so people can make more midna porn too. He wants people to trace his 3D model with the program.
Lofi’s issue from the other tweet seems to not just be tracing but not giving credit. She probably looks down on tracing as a crutch and developmental dead end but it is when people are dishonest about it that it ticks her off.

>>19483418
Accuse any real artist of being a tracer and plagiarist, they won’t care or correct you. Try it with other Holos for example.

>>19481619
There are also big artist who give a fuck about people tracing their work and selling it. Just look at
https://twitter.com/cutesexyrobutts/status/1324777297698848770 where she calls out a skilled tracer.
Your argument is moot because just as you worked with people who didn't give a fuck (assuming you're not full of shit) there are also people who are successful and give a fuck.

>>19483548
I'm not an artist, but I assume it's pretty obvious that the issue is not with the act of tracing itself. Taking credit for it and selling it is where it starts to get morally grey.

>>19483548
>Some do. For example TheBoogie loves Midna but hates drawing her super complicated helmet so he made a program that allows you to manipulate and position a 3D model of the helmet and overlay on it so you can quickly trace it. He shared this with the world so people can make more midna porn too. He wants people to trace his 3D model with the program.
Absolutely based, I love stuff like that and wish there were more

>She probably looks down on tracing as a crutch and developmental dead end
Coming from someone that's obviously mid tier in her craft, that's a bit weird. You can spend your life mastering one specific part of art, but most people want the result more than the journey. Especially if it's to draw anime girl, this is more industrial/hobby drawing, this is not the new Van Gogh. She sounds like a hobbyist that spent so much time reading about something that she thinks it gives her professional experience

>>19483614
But call them artists and you will be astonished at how they recoil, how injured they are, how they suddenly shrink back: "I've been found out."

Aren’t artists the worst people to ask an objective opinion on tracing? This is a philosophical question about work ethic vs fairness. Artists are biased to believe whatever makes them more valuable

>>19483403
Word.

>>19483738
Pretty much, seething against tracing is how they keep their value, especially when they make other people believe tracing is bad

>>19483288
"Creative Commons" is a thing, anon.

Damn tracers lmao

>>19483403
Being mad that you need to work hard for the shit you put out there to not look like shit is the reason why modern western cartoons look like garbage

>>19481574
You know what's even better, a lot of the masters probably used things like camera obscura to actually trace the outlines of people for portraits.

>>19483641
From the standpoint of someone that is a consumer rather than creator I also don’t care for plagiarism as it is inherently dishonest. I wouldn’t want to buy a forgery either for similar reasons even though that is the opposite of plagiarism.

>>19483814
It is and I would bet that it's more used for logos/documentation of code than for actual art. Especially since artists don't make their art reusable by giving source files under a permissive license

>>19483863
There is a difference between not wanting to work hard and considering that working hard and not the result is what's important

>>19483738
Tracing and plagiarism aren’t quite the same thing. Tracing can be plagiarism but it doesn’t need to be. For the context of this drama it is more appropriate to ask their opinion on plagiarism.

>>19483881
As a consumer I don't care about the how, only about the result

>/vt/ can't tell the difference between referencing and tracing

I know this board has a single-digit collective IQ but damn.

>>19483921
This is why performance enhancing drugs should be encouraged rather than banned.

>>19483738
I doubt anyone would cry about nene tracing if she had actually mentioned she traced and gotten permission from the mangaka to use it on her merch.
People love to talk about how programing is so free and shit but when people use open source code they're very open on giving credit where its due.
Hiding the fact that you're tracing is like taking open source code for your software and claiming you did all by yourself.

Nobody likes being lied to.
>>19484034
There's partial tracing in her drawings and nene herself already admitted to doing so.

>>19484034
Nenechi did trace in this case.

>>19484066
We already widely accept caffeine, amphetamines are better and I think they should be freely sold. Same thing with steroids. If people want to go full natural they can always do it but they don't have to hold back everyone else. I'm not even going to talk about embryo selection (an average of +8 IQ, which is insane)

>>19483992
For the best deals you buy stolen goods or even just steal them yourself.

>>19484088
>People love to talk about how programing is so free and shit but when people use open source code they're very open on giving credit where its due.
No? If it's MIT/ISC/Apache 2 I can do literally whatever the fuck I want with it. MIT:
"Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:
The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software."
I can do whatever the fuck I want with it

>>19484131
Also transwomen should be allowed to compete in women’s Sports.

>>19484131
Use English Seanig

>>19484147
No, because most of the time with stolen good you have no guarantees about quality control, origin, stuff like that. Stealing comes with a huge risk, which I'm not willing to take. But if some company is trying to fuck me over in a weird way and someone does the same product, just cheaper, I will take it

>>19484204
>The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software
You can’t do whatever you want with it dummy.

>>19484204
Except claim you wrote it yourself.

>>19484215
This one is different. Women sports as a whole are already proof that we don't care about "peak performance" here but we want some "fairness". This is not the case for the rest of the world. In most of the countries you say "biggest company", not "biggest company led by a female", because biggest is all that matters. In sports, we make categories because it allows some people to not complain

>>19484250
No, the end result is the same, you are getting something you want cheaper. Theft is based, you only don’t do it because you are a pussy.

>>19484235
I won't bother putting effort when talking on 4chan anon, sorry

>>19481068
>GET some commisions
isn't skeb mostly porn? if you're talking about fetish art it's not really a surprise

>>19484332
You might want to learn about risk management

>>19484280
I can as long as there's a "license" file in my repo, which people won't check anyway. Nobody has ever been sued for not respecting the MIT/ISC/Apache 2. With GPL and its derivatives it's a different story

>>19484291
You wrote the end software, just with the use of libraries. Nobody cares if you made 1% or 99% of the program

>>19484313
It is the same, we want the best female athletes and we can get better results by redefining what it means to be female.

>Tracing is bad, references are bad, torrent is bad, copyright is good

Holyshit, 4chan is full of zoomers now, no one give a fuck if you trace, everyone does it, even big name mangakas.

>>19484432
Why would you want the best females athletes instead of the best athletes in the first place?

This thread smells like /ic/ permabegs lmao

>>19484432
Sports is a sham anyways, the top performers are always genetically blessed. There’s a reason why everyone dopes. The top “genetic women” are all doing testosterone or are genetically inclined to have more testosterone than the average woman

But that goes against the idea that humans are all the same

>>19484389
>I can as long as there's a "license" file in my repo
So you can’t do whatever you want. You aren’t allowed to entirely remove the license and replace it with your own, different one and then successfully sue others that use the code for infringing on it.

a bunch of ero artists sell doujins based on X series and very similar to... then why this is bad? cuz company related or something like this?

>>19484413
>Nobody cares if you made 1% or 99% of the program
>The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software."
MIT cares.

>>19484482
>>19484525
Sports would be improved by deregulation regarding drugs, genders and laws. If someone wants to do steroids then that is fine. If a man wants to enter a woman’s race then that is fine because he will win if he is fastest. If a racer wants to use a gun to threaten or shoot other players then it shouldn’t be discouraged, it just shows they want it more and are willing to go further to win.

>>19481043
yes this is a known problem anon, marvel has an artist that just traces porn for faces.
just because a few do it doesnt morally justify making money off traced art

>>19484642
No they don't? If I take a MIT program, modify one line of code, I can say that it's now my thing and distribute it under MIT

>>19484525
>Sports is a sham anyways, the top performers are always genetically blessed.
You seem to believe that other domains are different?

>>19484440
There's nuance to the whole tracing thing. Mangaka trace backgrounds all the time, but it's usually of 3D models they made themselves or pictures they took themselves. If they tried tracing another character from a different manga they would get heat for it. There was that controversy years ago where Gene Simmons' son became a laughing stock for trying to publish a Bleach knockoff with daddy's money and getting immediately caught for tracing panels from Bleach. Tracing in general as a study to learn proportions and anatomy can be super useful but using it in actual works gets tricky and whether or not you're tracing from photos, someone else's art, etc becomes an important distinction to make.

>>19484669
My point is exactly the opposite: since women sports exists we already don't care about performance but about performance as long as there is some fairness

>>19484554
I think a doujinshi artist would also get shit on if it turned out they were tracing and plagiarizing other drawings. And it isn’t like they don’t give credit to the original series.

>>19484204
>The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software."
>I can do whatever the fuck I want with it
I guess you can ignore the text above then. And this is from the legal standpoint. I was also arguing from an ethical standpoint of you taking someone's else work and claiming it as your own by not giving credit where it's due. Even if you can get away with it, it's still scummy.

>>19484679
>under MIT
But do you have permission to distribute it without MIT?

>>19484764
Nobody has ever been sued for breaking MIT in my knowledge. A few people have been for breaking GPL, but it depends on the jurisdiction

>I was also arguing from an ethical standpoint of you taking someone's else work and claiming it as your own by not giving credit where it's due. Even if you can get away with it, it's still scummy.
That's fair when you use one main drawing as an inspiration/trace over it, but for other stuff? Artists use references all the time that they never credit

>>19476426
So this is what Iofi known for on this board

>>19481994
anon the person who drew this knows the difference and is drawing an exaggerated depiction of those who dont as shown in this very thread.

>>19481043
>>19481649
>tracing from a magazine
who cares if you're not tracing another artist? he could just ask for a male model to pose and use that instead and have the same thing like >>19481574

>>19475926
Are her thighs really that chonky?

>>19484788
Depends on what you mean by "permission". Are you going to get sued? Probably not. Does that mean that you have "permission"? Probably not either

>>19481994
>>19481704
>>19484034
t. seething mediocre 'artists' who are too stupid to understand jokes
No, you are not better than others because you know the difference between referencing and tracing.
(but you are pathetic for thinking that you are!)

>>19475817
Been ignoring the chuba scene for a month now. What did I miss?

>>19484828
But we aren’t talking about referencing, we are talking about tracing.

>>19476251
That's hideous, damn. Get it out of my screen

>>19484972
Reusing code is more like tracing than referencing since you don't rewrite it yourself

>>19484846
Lofi is also known for being a pedophile like Pikamee. Pikamee likes them most at 9 and Iofi likes them most at 12, but the two agreed that 9-12 range is all good.

>>19476340
>>19481619
Stop this lie. There are plenty of pro artists who are just as bothered by tracing as shitty artists are.

>>19481799
holy a god tier artist used to has problem like that

>>19475926
Salty Indonesian pussy, yum. I want them to piss inside my mouth pointblank

>>19485059
Right but then why bring up referencing?
Lofi’s angry tweet about tracing was about tracing without giving credit to the original, basically like if you were to use the code but remove the MIT license so as to pass it off as entirely your own.

>>19485220
>basically like if you were to use the code but remove the MIT license so as to pass it off as entirely your own.
The thing is that most people do that. Go to any company website, they use MIT/Apache 2 code, and they don't bother talking about it, because they don't have to publish the source

>>19485213
anon, the /ringo/ thread is 2 blocks down

>>19484967
Rushia was a traitor and wants to crush hololive
Loren is into nipple torture
Nene made her husbands pay for traced art

>>19480730
She probably didn't even know basic online art etiquette. I wouldn't go as far as to call her retarded, she's ignorant more like

>>19485124
He was so good that people in the west thought he might be tracing but then he showed is streams and shared a rar with his work sketches to prove that no, he was just that good.
Unfortunately he has been slowly going blind so his work has degraded since then.

>>19484495
I love that /vt/ can be what it wanted to be based on the yab.

>>19484846
Iofi is known for being someone who feels hard done by reality but then it turns out she's a giga cunt like Sana and Ina fuck art hos

>>19480652
Anyone respectable wouldn't feel disrespected from having their art traced. Their art is still theirs. Cope more you mediocre faggot

>>19484935
>says the seething non-artist who thinks his opinion is relevant to the discussion in anyway
autism

>>19476375
>>19476340
The person Nene copied is the author of Yuruyuri, who is a personal friend of Nene (who is also a fan of Yuruyuri) and has literally drawn and sold merchandise of Nene with Hololive. She is probably teaching Nene to draw and would have called Nene out if Nene was stealing her art.

That's why Iofi is a stupid bitch for literally siding with nijinigs while being totally irrelevant due to the fact that, like Sana, she goes on infinitely long breaks for no reason.

>>19481968
Why did Cover even hire her? She seems shit at everything and even if she it's just to a level that it's meh

>>19485330
Nene has always shown that she is actually dumb, rather than just faking it to be cute like many, since her stupidity has caused actual trouble repeatedly for herself and others without meaning to. However I have a hard time believing that she could be so stupid or ignorant that she didn’t know what she was doing was wrong.
Though this is the same Nene that thought iCarly was a mature, adult western drama and was surprised when Kiara explained it was a show for children. Anything is possible I guess.

>>19480652
Art shouldn't exist and you should be forced to break rocks in the sun.

>>19482628
She didn't steal are, faggot. What she did isn't some forgery type shit. Learn the difference

>>19481968
>(not that she wasn't getting BTFO'd by Marine and Flare already when she joined)
and FBK, and Suisei. I think even Kiara and Mori are better than her

>>19485453
Traced and sold without attribution though? I think many artists would find issue with that.

>>19485591
It's time for a revolution. Treat shit artists like shit with no human rights so autists with no thumbs like Iofi would get filtered instantly

>>19485708
All artists are shit artists because all art is pointless. They should be forced to do real work.

>>19485619
Yeah who? Insecure fags? If something like Iofi's art gets traced and sold, wouldn't that make it significantly better than the original? Shit would be unrecognizable if anyone's willing to buy it.
No offense to Iofi's roommate who's probably snooping on this thread. I'd make content if I were you, you lazy fuck.

Tracing and referencing are different. Reference are just object you based on and take inspiration for your works.
In tracing, you could literally see the lines overlap between the "reference" and the works.
Tracing is a form of art stealing and plagiarism.
Plagiarism doesn't always mean tracing, but tracing is plagiarism.
Art stealing doesn't always mean tracing, but tracing is art stealing.

Iofi is being a hypocrite because Nene is her senpai.

>>19485815
Idk man, renaissance art ladies are pretty hot and actually help me relieve myself whenever I don't get any

>>19485453
>anyone respectable wouldn't feel this specific way because that's not the way I personally feel and if they did feel that way then my argument wouldn't mean anything
holy shit kys, you underage retard

>>19475739
Cover should just terminate Iofi already holy shit

>>19485890
>Nene is her senpai.
You dumb tourist it's the other way around. Iofi is Nene's senpai

>>19485953
ID will always be the kouhai because the branch itself is the kouhai.

>>19485559
I don’t believe Nene is that ignorant about this. I don’t want anything to happen to Nene, but my opinion of her has lowered.

>>19485512
I didn't know that namori and Nene were friends, that's nice

>>19485856
>I'd make content if I were you, you lazy fuck.
I clearly agree with you, but you make it sound like Jeleaous 2views.
Iofi is no good for shit, the only thing she did right is networking if I ever know what it is.

>>19485921
That's how you feel everyday, you mediocre fuck.
Get better if you don't want to feel bad whenever someone traces your art and ends up looking better

>>19486018
Not sure how a jealous 2views sounds like cause I only consume the top chuba content

>>19486023
Shit artists are human beings too

>>19480652
t.Iofi

>>19486000
>EOP doesn't watch streams
many such cases

>>19475739
>seething
she's encouraging her kouhai.
Fucking dramafaggot can't get anything interesting, first that nipple thing and then this shit, at least nipple story was funny

>>19485890
Tracing isn’t automatically plagiarism if the tracer does credit the original. Plagiarism requires dishonesty and misrepresentation. Unfortunately that is the case here with what Nene did.
Iofi is Nene’s senpai, ID1 predates Gen5. However even if she wasn’t it wouldn’t be hypocritical, just disrespectful.
If anything, Iofi not getting upset by this would have been hypocritical based on her previously expressed views.

>>19475739
I thought the issue was that they were selling the traced merch?

>>19486099
what do you watch anon?, so I can shit on your taste

>>19486023
>Get better if you don't want to feel bad whenever someone traces your art and ends up looking better
This has nothing to do with it. Also well done on yet again outing yourself as an underage child who thinks his only way of viewing things is the right one.

>>19476426
Christ jesus. I mean I think what Nene did was pretty scummy but god good why is she that mad?

>>19486004
Pretty much the same for me. It is unfortunate but I’m glad it seems to be handled so swiftly and directly.
Hopefully Nene uses this as a growth opportunity and doesn’t take it too hard considering her depression.

>>19486297
It's an old tweet about tracers

>>19486238
>Failed artist keeps talking about how there's more than one way to view a subject to justify his shitty interpretation.
KEK.

>>19486004
See >>19485512
The 'traced yuruyuri art' is because Nene and Namori literally work together and Namori gets paid to do art for Hololive.

>>19486297
>17 august 2021

>>19476251
>>19478792
KINO

>>19486004
So you think it's normal for someone who knows nothing about art to realise it's a taboo to copy art?
Like it's not human instinct to chase for an aesthetic they're fond of. Like copying other people's tastes isn't a fundamental aspect of culture.
Fucking faggots actually expects everyone to know the ins and outs of the modern art community.
Go touch grass you morons. It's not all about you scums of society.

>>19486196
The google auto translate is incredibly bad.
Given her previous views on the topic I am certain that Iofi really is absolutely mad but she is trying to be friendly.

>>19475739
stupid bitch, please graduate
nothing compared to nene and nene didn't trace
wow what a dumb bitch

>>19481733
Basically pro artists don't care about tracers because they're at a level where copy cats don't affect them.

>steal somebody's work and sell it as your own without giving credit
>begrudgingly admit it but still try to play it down as "inspiration"
>still have a legion of faggots trying to defend your ass online
Damn, I wish I were a cute girl.

>>19486516
Uhmmm... English?

Nenechi's big mistake was getting caught
Don't get caught and there are no problems, or if you are caught, deny deny deny
See >>19481043
Truth is nobody can be arsed to do posing and framing from scratch every time, especially when being an artist is a 60+ hour a week job (Though Nenechi is only casual, she is selling it with her merch so that makes it a commercial product)
People cheat and lie in every industry to get ahead, not sure why anyone thinks art would be different.

>>19486478
You are stupid if you think Nene knows nothing about art while frequently reaching out to artists for collabs.

>>19486297
That is a tweet from long before this drama. Iofi hates art thieves in general and tends to call them out on Twitter from what I have seen posted. I imagine she also feels that plagiaristic tracing is also a dead end on developing your own skills so it makes sense she would hold it in extra disdain.

>>19486595
No you wish you knew how to draw

>>19486595
>Damn, I wish I were a cute girl.
Same, life seems to easy

>>19486611
Oh yes, because they for sure have randomly brought up tracing right? Fucking idiot. kek

>>19486633
So is she a regular art thief or what, because her art seems as "dead end" as an art can get. Same goes for her career as an artist if it's even morally correct to call her that and not scribbler

>>19486356
No it isn’t, it is because Nene really did trace over Yuru Yuri art as a basis for some of her own stuff without giving credit to the original. That she is friends with the mangaka, a fan of of the manga and has the mangaka do additional art as well for Nenechi merch isn’t what is causing the controversy.

>>19480652
Am I the only one who feels like tracing happens all the time but is rarely called out. Also, doesn’t it seem super prevalent in Asian countries too? I see Asian artists trace stuff all the tiime.

>>19475926
jesus christ, are people in Indonesia starving or something? how is that chonky?

>>19483869
They did, it's not even a secret.

>>19475739
OMG IOFI IS RELEVANT AGAIN TO THIS BOARD!

>>19486799
Send her thigh pics for judgement

>>19486767
Post proof that Nene traced

>>19486478
Not directly lifting another person’s art for your own without giving credit is elementary school knowledge. Every adult should know that or something is wrong with them.

>>19486516
>nene didn't trace
Yes she did, why would she and cover lie about it to say she did? If she didn’t they would deny it.

>>19486478
Even kids know tracing is like copying homework but for art. I really doubt she didn't know tracing was bad.

>>19486610
I’m glad they didn’t lie and deny when she was caught though.

>>19486744
it's likely some artist spreg out when their art was traced and posted in holos art tags then she call them out and gave credit to the OG artists, that's it.

Have a sexy Nenechi to calm down a bit

>>19486860
You sure you went to school? You said that with so much confidence too.

>>19486610
Doesn't make it a good thing. Tracing is for personal development and studying. You're asking for trouble if you get caught doing it for profit. When trouble comes, you don't get to play victim by saying "e-everyone else does it."
>>19486744
kek, sad to say but iofi's art makes me laugh so hard. Glad EN has Ina.
>>19483869
A lot of "masters" basically made references and painted it almost one-to-one. Just look at Norman Rockwell, though you can still see that he modified it a bit and pushed certain elements further. Though, i'd say this is different. Tracing photographs that you took yourself and hired actors for is perfectly fine.

EVERYONE POST YOUR WORK NOW!

>>19486744
No, iofi goes too far in the opposite direction in trying to do everything on her own. She should regress a bit back to redevelop a better foundation so that she can improve.

>/vt/sisters
>artists
what's the bigger source of autism?

>>19487002
Painters still do it with the classics. It's just the obscure artists with zero confidence in themselves that makes a big deal out of tracing.
If you're a great artist, you don't need to feel threatened by thieves because you know you'll only get better as time goes on and your art will eventually out there while the thieves fade away.

>>19486516
You nigger, cover literally apologize for her own sake. She is a tracer then trying to make a profit by it. Stop protecting a criminal

>>19487037
My work is a bunch of text shitting on certain holos ITT, it's worthless like the rest of this thread .

>>19487089
Normalize tracing to filter the undesirables in the art world.
Sayonara Iopig

>>19486767
You're right what's causing the controversy are seething nijinigs.

>>19476426
>inhale. exhale
Holy seething batman. She was being serious when making that tweet too.

>>19487002
And just think the boomer kids in that picture are now obese old fucks and shilling for WW3.

>>19487092
not happening

>>19486987
>can't find source with reverse image searching, gelbooru or pixiv
this isn't very calming

>>19487002
Chinlets

>>19486855
https://imgur.com/n14fA2f.jpg
https://imgur.com/sijGcCr.jpg
https://imgur.com/BKsRF9J.jpg
https://imgur.com/pwx2NMD.jpg
https://imgur.com/dKObrJC.jpg
https://imgur.com/GFz1uDJ.jpg
https://imgur.com/agG2Mto.jpg
https://imgur.com/Y49tPyf.gif
https://imgur.com/PNnb45L.jpg
https://imgur.com/tjtwGpK.jpg
Also Cover and Nene have already admitted it and apologized.

>>19486993
Yes.

Why is everybody pretending only artists care about this? Probably over 99% of people criticizing her aren't artists.

>>19485583
Based

>>19487153
I thought it was indogs, which is it?

>>19487281
Just go nhen for lazyfag and type momosuzu nene

>>19487465
its the Indog Nijinigs

>>19487037
Here.

>>19485599
Even Kanata and Coco draws better than her...

more art discussion than /ic/ right here

>>19487465
>>19487153
>>19487502
It is Chinks mad at Nene because she abandoned her Chinese style!
Anyone that says Nene traced is Chinese!

>>19487557
makes sense

>>19487557
truth truth

>>19487465
Anon nijiid will be gone next month

That's why they keep seething to bring Holo id with them

>>19487536
草

>>19476340
>>19481619

Well, no shit. They don't care because they're recognized and they know people will recognize their work as plagiarized. And they're going to get paid regardless.

You have to grind and get your name out their to get noticed. Not that either of you neets would know about working hard towards something.

Either way it doesn't matter in Nene's case though because the artist probably knew Nene was tracing and didn't care.

>>19487372
That's a lot more than I expected

>>19487503
Looks nice, proportions seems a bit off but I'm high so maybe it's that

>>19487156
Do your reps. Selen hates tracers too.

>>19487623
Nijinigger + indog ? What a such powerful combo

>>19487756
>Either way it doesn't matter in Nene's case though because the artist probably knew Nene was tracing and didn't care.
Pretty much. The sad thing is that the only one to suffer any damage from this is Nene herself. Well, her and Lawson who were selling a copied artwork as if it were original under their brand. And Cover for the same reason. And other holos who derive their value from the brand value.

>>19486968
They did tho??? She said that she didn't trace, but took inspiration from namori's artwork... when it's obvious that she did at least trace some parts.

>>19487887
No she doesn’t. Retard. Tracing is based, fuck “artists”.

I'd prefer Nene to continue tracing art from pros, rather than get advice from Lofi LOL

>>19487983
Yes she does. Do your reps. Selen draws as well so she knows how annoying it is when others trace to get ahead.

>>19488004
Nene should graduate and start tracing full time just to teach that indog a lesson.

>>19487944
>She said that she didn't trace
She admitted in her tweet that Cover's statement calling it tracing was true. She still couldn't bring herself up to admit it directly and say "I traced" though, which honestly just makes her look like she's sour that she got caught.

>>19488074
You can’t prove it, rule 2.
Selen has never complained about tracing and probably traces herself.

>>19488136
I don’t give a shit about rule 2. I eat the bans all the time. Keep being in denial buddy. I bet you the majority of vtuber artists including Ina and Sana would look down on tracing another artist’s work. Nene is a hack.

>>19482939
>>19483029
>>19483148
>>19483288
>>19484204
>>19484413
>>19484679
>>19485059

You people are so fucking stupid.
"Code" is a TOOL, Art is a FINISHED PRODUCT.
Copying code is like borrowing a hammer and chisel to make a sculpture.
Copying art is like making a mold out of someone else's sculpture and selling the copies while calling yourself a Sculptor.

>>19488087
>She admitted in her tweet
Yeah, you're right. It looks like she's a bit salty about getting caught.

Did she actually write this to Nene? Of she did she literally acts like Eddie from the raimi Spiderman films lmfao

>>19488224
You are just a Chinese Indog niji spreading lies about Nene.

>>19488336
She wrote it but the google translation is bad.

I think she did the art back when she was literally working herself to death and traced out of desperation to meet deadlines. That doesn't justify it but it puts it in a different light. She probably picked Yuru Yuri to trace because she assumed Nomori would be okay with it.

>>19487372
It baffles me how people can defend this.
>she is friends with namori so it's okay
>you aren't the artist so why do you complain?
>she only took a bit too much inspiration
>all artists trace, so it's normal and nothing to get mad about
The mental gymnastics are ridiculous.

>>19488406
>google translation is bad
True, but that translation in particular is fine.

>>19488336
Nah it just random tweet for art thief few months ago

This is /vt/ what you expect?
Do everything to keep the drama alive

>>19478792
Even Kiara draws better than this.

>>19488232
No it's not? Your hammer and chisel are your IDE and compiler. The code that you use is literally molds for pieces that you assemble and sell the end product. It's like taking eyes from artist X, hair from artist Y, etc

>>19488442
It wasn't a one time offense though, and not all of the drawings had deadlines to them. If she had to do it so many times she shouldn't be trying to do the artwork for her goods in the first place.

>>19488507
Everyone draws better than her, she's stuck on the valley of "tryharding but still not good" which is terrible. Her backgrounds are sometimes nice though

So whose going to be the one to tell Iofi that she's ngmi

>>19488474
The one in the OP is new and to her kouhai regarding the situation.
The one where iofi is openly raging about her hate of tracers not giving credit is from months ago though.

>>19488451
Non-drawfags have the most retarded takes. It is how it is.

Faggots in this thread who do nothing but watch free anime, play video games and jerk off to free doujins all day talking about how artists are greedy scumbags and art is pointless and over value.

Fucking hilarious

>>19488518
Your sort algorithm is just as much a hammer as the ide and compiler are

>>19488087
This cheeky brat! It's time for Delta to rape correct this mesugaki! Show Nene the results of your training!

>>19476426
she hates Andy Warhol

>>19488700
Shut the fuck up Iofi and stop embarrassing yourself with your poor attempt at old school shoujo art

My nephew can draw, "artists" are a joke.

>>19483629
That kind of tracing is so well done that I kind of respect it, the only real issue is that the guy is ghosting the artist, any recent art that he likes from the other he copies, if someone is good at tracing like that but does it with different people with older works nobody would even notice.

And when I say "good" I mean making significant changes and additions but copying general aspects like a pose. As opposed to simply redrawing a school girl but changing colors.

I unironically feel inspired to draw or "trace" right now by looking at the examples.

>>19488894
Why be upset that there's now two different beautiful things? I know it irritates the artist, specially if someone ghosts you and copies all your recent work specifically, but as a regular conoisseur and coomer, I'm happy that these two images exist.

>>19488136
I seen it with my own eyes, her fat Chinese hands traced the contours of my penis.

>>19488791
I'm not talking about sort algorithms anon

>>19488959
I 100% agree, but if the tracer doesn't admit how much he took from the original artist to make his own art it's still a dick move. If the point is just increasing beauty, there should be no problem in acknowledging the source.

>>19487503
cute

>>19488959
I’d rather people develop their skills and make their own style which will give better variety and richer set of experiences.

>>19488959
I mean goddamn, if one of those is a trace from another artist and can do almost similar quality of lines and coloring, no one will doubt he could have done it anyway without tracing.

>>19488507
>implying kiara's art is bad
Her drawings are pretty much just highly stylized shojou style, there's nothing really wrong with them
>>19476251
>>19478792
Now Iofi on the other hand is trying for the same kind of effect, but makes the eyes SO ugu bugu that they end up throwing the whole face off and she has to end up aligning things on the face to fit AROUND the eyes
Her sense of color/shading is pretty good, but I think she should make the eyes smaller so she has more freedom to position the rest of the features
Also not rush so hard into making the chin as pointy as it is, looks awkward with her rounded cheeks
Iofi's ALMOST there, if she fixed these things I'd imagine people would consider her art pretty good

>>19489326
Tracing lines is way easier than doing it yourself.

>>19475739
salty cause nene is better at drawing even though she is supposed to be the 'artist' holo

>>19488959
>Why be upset that there's no two different beautiful things?
>poorfag never worked a day in his life for a dollar
>wonders how artists make money

>>19488959
That's nowhere even close to a trace.

>>19490682
It is a trace, it's just a very sneaky and complex one.

>>19490779
Damn I thought this was the same guy tracing his own shit which is like, whatever
But now that I know it's 2 different people, man cmon at least use a different color palette or something