/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

nuke the fucking branch

>>19444998
Yeah, we really wouldn't need an EN3 if EN1/2 were able to scrape up more than a fucking handful, A HANDFUL, of streams per week between fucking 11 people and sometimes leaving entire days as missed for the branch. ID holds their fort better with fucking half the staff.

>>19444998
EN should have disbanded after their anniversary stream. Myth has been reclining hard ever since and Council is a fucking disaster with how lazy they are.

I want EN3.

>>19445347
Why?

>>19445347
Why?

i want holohouse en

i want my oshi to find comfort in my arms after cover disbands the EN branch

>>19445368
>>19445421
So we can get more amazing HoloEN chuubas like the 10 we already have

Not going to happen.

>>19445728
>amazing
>HoloEN

>>19445728
>10
kek

>>19445778
Problem?

(You) made them rich, why would they bother streaming when all they have to do is show up for an hour and they get 5k for just saying hello.

>>19445452
uh... sweaty...!??! Caring about a thing enough you're willing to commit to living in a certain place!? Uh... that's cringe!

>>19445265
This.
>But muh quality over quantity!!!
it's not quality when out of 10 streamers we have entire days where nobody streams.
It's no wonder myth is reclining. Kiara (and irys debating on where you place her) are the only ones who seem to still give a shit

>>19445906
Sana is like the Pluto of HoloEN. Some say she exists, others say she doesn't count as a planet

>>19445964
Why would they give a shit when >>19445920 is right? When there are no social or professional consequences for doing wrong, you're essentially relying solely on the good will of people, which is always in short supply.

>>19444998
They have 11 members. Technically speaking, if each member only streamed on 1 day and they worked in a rotation then you're looking at roughly 33 streams per member per year.
Math: (30/11)*4 + (31/11)*7 + (28/11) = 33.181818...
If each stream was 4 hours long, that's only 132 hours in a year. That's 5.5 days. I don't know what to do with this math, but I think the point I'm trying to make is: If an adult can't put out 6 days worth of work in a year then holy shit.

>>19444998
I didn't even know there was a gen 2. Didn't they just introduce that 240p resolution purple haired guy and that's it?

>>19446168
>4 hours
>when some of these chicks can barely make the mandated 2 hour minimum before immediately closing the stream

>>19446274
This.
Kiara bae and irys are the only ones who consistently go over 2 hours

>>19446274
Ideal worlds Anon. This doesn't even try to imagine how collabstreams work. Does each member who does a collab count as working that day? I think so. But then the rotation gets scuffed. Numbers are hard Anon, and I am retarded.

>>19445909
your taste. kek

>>19445243
based luiposter

>>19444998
i just want mori to graduate

>>19445243
Irys is cool though right?
Maybe Bae too.

It will interesting to see where the EN3 gen will stream once announced. It probably wont be like NijiEN where there are overlaps in their stream times and HoloEN has practically none during their streaming hours if and when they do stream.

>>19446168
I wonder how much time on average people spend watching chuubas per day

>>19447106
While there are some overlaps there is plenty of staggering stream start times as well, often times one hour between each stream that will go on air.

What does lean taste like?

>>19447554
Like cough medicine, sugar and sprite

>>19447159
Well, that's hard. If we assume that this ideal person gets 8 hours of sleep and only needs to work 8 hours a day (everyday if he is somesort of chuuba paypig) then the total free hours in a year goes from 8760 to 2920. Of that, let's allot our watch with 1 hour a day to take care of their needs. Eating breakfast and dinner (lunch is done at work), showering, and then bathroom stuff. That further drops the total freehours to 2555. This my theorectical max time someone could have if they lived a life where their commute to work is 0 seconds (work at home) and they watch chuubas whenever they are taking care of meal prepping and whatnot. Given how many "we'll buy your food and stuff" services are out there, we're also alloting 0 seconds to that as well.

So that's roughly 106 days. If we assume this loser is the absolute topteir loser and is at the complete end of the bellcurve then the exact opposite of this person is someone who watches for a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a second. Thus, your average between the two extremes is right at the halfway point.
Tl;dr: average person probably watches 1277.5 hours per year. Or rouglhy 3.5 hours of chuubas per day. Not too far from my 4 hour prediction earlier.

I don't think there will be a Gen 3 any time soon. Council was a bust.

>>19449096
this
if anything they are gonna start weeding out troublemakers like mori and girls that dont even stream like sana

>>19449096
its sad but it did lead to me eventually finding nijisanji so I guess it evens out

They're too wealthy for that. You inflated them so much that now they don't even stream. How about you look at some other companies? Like the cute spider from Tsunderia is streaming right now.

https://schedule.tsunderia.com/#/

>>19449282
Nah. No company will ever weedout companies for no reason. Even doubly so for holo, Sana might not stream but they're getting thousands of dollars from her still. Just her doing nothing is probably enough to bankroll some character designs for new characters or current chuubas.
>inb4 Rushia
Rushia started to become maliscious. Even if she was right (she's not), she was sowing discontent in the business and would create trouble pushing merch. It's better for merch to not even be made, than for it to be made and then not sold. That's a business 101.

>>19449506
I so look forward to our dork spider playing doom tomorrow

>>19449096
The sequel is always a bust, especially when it comes after such a strong start. It's always going to look like a recline in comparison. I'd be more surprised if they didn't come out with a 3rd gen. They learned some important lessons the first and second gens. I think they might be looking to recruit some people this time around instead of doing the interviews.

>>19450194
>recline
decline*
Also it takes time to get it right and build an audience considering how many gens the main Japanese branch has been through.

>>19445243
fpbp

>>19444998
if you know the numbers, you know there won't be a gen 3 when EN's audience has not grown at all

>>19450749
Gen 3 will be the Twitch generation. Mark my words.

>>19450749
They need to stream in order to gather an audience. If they don't stream, any audience will leave. You see the issue now, right?

>>19444998
I thought the same thing with council but I grew to like them. I also think the same thing for a potential gen 3 but I may or may not come to like them too. I'm still thinking that there shouldn't be one tho

>>19450749
If all of them streamed literally everyday, they would become a serious force to reckoned with. As it stands right now, lack of consistent scheduling and streams leaves people in the dark and prevents the chuubas from growing or even building a steady audience to begin with

>>19447711
This seems to assume that people devote their full attention to streams which is not always the case. For example, I have 3 screens and will have one showing a chuuba while I work or study for my certs. My engagement varies from nil (the girl is basically background noise) to chatting and SCing if I’m not busy and the stream is good. However, my actual hours watched as reported by YT are massive on paper, since the screen is on all day.

>>19444998
Hmm for myth
ame - busy moving out or finding a new place
gura - had covid
ina - swamped with roommate job (?)
calli - after the connor yab streams only when she feels like it
kiara - idk kek
also they also all seem busy prepping for 3rd anniv live there's that also but for council idk what the fuck they're doing

>>19444998
Well SOMEONE's sounding entitled.

All those wasted slots on Aussies. Not a single one doing regular euro hour streams.

>>19445243
based haglover

>>19451788
You're obviously right, but there's a lot assumptions that make this question hard to answer. For example, what does it mean for someone to "watch a stream"? Not to get too faggy about it, but even yourself mentioned ranging from background noise to full blown superchatting. Ideally, if around 100 people reported how many hours they watch chuubas for 1 year then this could be further hammered down using KL divergence but even then the math is fucky. What year are we talking about, how hardcore is our sampleset.
So I made my guess based off complete focus, instanteous movement, no bleedover when eating, etc etc.

>>19451326
>>19451054
For real if we had stream almost every days I bet my life saving that HoloEn would have a grown a lot more these past months.

We would have more content so more chance of unknowing people catching streams , more contents mean more clips , more clips mean there is more chance of them appearing on Everybody's channels with the algorithme shit.
Fuck, more than half of them dont even post their schedule anymore and even less post them on YouTube for some reason.
I thought Hololive was a corpo, why arent they more serious with their talent work ethic are the manage scared of getting fired or something?
All I can see when I see HoloEn is a waste of opportunity.

>>19445243
>posts the most fluent english speaking chuuba in X
What did anon mean by this

>>19452801
They undoubtedly would have grown. Look at the other company, streamers are constantly pushing out content, between shorts, long live streams and always at least two people streaming per day they've experienced a lot of growth.
Even outside of the males, people like Pomu have earned over 200k in less than a year. It's undeniable that at this point she's made more than irys or any of council thanks to streamlabs usually being at least 3k a month along with voice packs and other merch.
Truthfully Myth reached the one year mark and stopped even trying to pretend like they were interested in continuing and council never pretended in the first place

>>19444998
I like how comparatively little they stream, as a gura fan I can actually watch all her streams and have a life and her extended breaks are also good for me because it helps me not get burnt out

>>19452801
The vast majority of managers are lazy, they don't really need to work so they don't. Also, most of the managers don't really understand the chuubas crowd as well as the chuuba. They're meant to really get permissions and deal with corpo stuff. So even if a manager wanted the chuuba to do something, what will they even do? Tell the chuuba to stream and then have said chuuba act like a spoiled child on stream? That's even worse than not streaming.
The managers are lazy, but the chuubas are just as lazy. So there's that.

HoloEN is filled with chuubas who think that getting into Hololive is it. It's the final step in the whole thing. They've hit it, and they've been rewarded by paypigs for it out the ass. Even after cuts and everything, I bet even Sana makes close to $5k per month just off superchats and memberships. Is it "I can retire!" amounts of money? Fuck no. But is it "Wow! I can enjoy my 20's to the fullest!" amounts of money? Hell yeah. Most people their age make around $20/hr if they have a decent enough job. At least $15/hr. To make the same, they would need to work between 250-330 hours per month OR 9-12 hours everyday for a full month.
There's no real issue other than their own work ethic. And can you fully blame them? Most, if not all, never actually worked a job.

>>19446168
>24 hours is one day's worth of work

>>19453936
>Is it "I can retire money!"
In Australia, potentially. she's made more in a year than a lot will see in their entire life so

>>19452801
Schedules are a big part of it, in my opinion. I think they all ought to just post their schedules even if they don't know what games they want to play that week ( or don't know what they have permission to play yet), or even if it's just one day that week, OR even if there are no streams at all that week and the schedule is blank. Keeping the people that watch updated even if it's just one tweet and that tweet is a schedule is a good idea. That way people aren't completely in the dark and left guessing or having to watch clips or come here to figure out what is going on.

On a slightly related note, popular twitch streamers hardly ever schedule shit out. Some of them figure out what they are going to do that day ON STREAM by looking at games the viewers suggest or doing polls, etc. I get that it's different because of all the permissions shit, but I brought it up to contrast that way of streaming with the more regimented way of hololive. I think that may be a big part of the trouble that they face in EN. They aren't as free to just play whatever games that want to, which is probably what they all are (or were) used to being able to do. That's demotivating. One example that comes to mind is something Ame had completed and was ready to post, but it was basically shot down at the last minute (can anyone jog my memory?). And technically, Cover is actually doing it in the right and legal way by getting permissions considering literally any game company could just decide one day to strike all streamers and youtubers down (kind of like what Nintendo did and still does do), and all that leeching Twitch reaction content is actively being struck through DMCA. But man I'm sure there is a better way. I know it's not only being lazy on their parts.

>>19454003
What? 24 hours is one day. Saying "6 days worth of work" in this context is sorthand for the fuller value stated earlier of 132 hours.
>>19454056
Potentially. But that depends on where exactly someone lives. In the more rural parts of Austrialia I don't doubt that $5k USD would carry her for far longer than if she lived in the capital of Melbourne.

>>19444998
>enthusiastically!
Why do you want them to feign enthusiasm? I'd rather them be real, not transparently fake like Mori

>>19453936
This is more about Council than Myth desu. Myth streams a ton even though this is a bit of a low season for some of them. Council have all been just a bunch of lazy cunts since day one desu.

>>19454623
The rat is a bit better, she tried to to do a stream literally every day of February. That's something at least.

>>19454393
Too bad being a liver is not an hourly paid job, your time investment wants don't work with contractual payments

>>19454798
I'd say Fauna and the Owl are pretty decent. It's Kronii and Sana bringing the whole thing down really.

>>19447106
I don't think we ever need to worry about holoEN overlapping with each other no matter how big the branch gets lmao. laziest pieces of shit ever and they don't even have any concert excuses.

>>19455169
I'm just confused by what you're even trying to imply? I'm not trying to say "being a livestreamer means you need to operate like a standard office job!". In that post I was saying "here's how the math would break down in this specific case". The point is that, in this weird scenario of constant streaming, the talents would only stream a total of 33 times in a year. Everything after that is ascribing value to that 33 times, what is the breakdown in hours/days.
I get it, you want to put someone down so you feel superior. So I'll just save you the issue and say you're right. Good job!

>>19444998
Fuck hololive EN Gen 3, I want holostars EN already.

>>19456086
>Good job!
Thank you

>>19446931
they transfer to JP and only speak JP from now on though.

>>19447711
You are severely autistic. Not a bad thing, just saying.

>>19449506
The lapse of streaming has been a boon for everyone else. Niji EN, PRISM, Kawaii, Cyberlive, Phase Connect, as mentioned Tsunderia, VShojo, and various indies now have an opportunity to poach the Holo viewer base regardless of how slow the process is. Literally Holo EN just needs to consistently stream.
>>19449096
Council still does better than the average large indie streamer outside if the extreme outliers. Just because they don't consistently pull 15k viewers every stream doesn't mean they aren't successful.

>>19454623
Council is a freaking disgrace , im sure Myth was relieved when they were annonced since it would be mean they could lessen their workloads without worrying about carrying HoloEn alone but lo and behold HoloCouncil doesnt fucking stream what the fuck is this they wasted all the momentum of their debut by not streaming and didnt release anything special.

They are much better now for sure but its a little too late and even then they still dont stream as much as year one Myth.
Fuck I really hope EN3 happen and just oblirate council and boost HoloEn as a whole.

>>19454798
She did stream every day of February. She just had one day where it was a member stream instead of the originally intended one.

>>19458724
>takes a month where she streams every day
>makes it the shortest month
that lazy bitch

>>19455978
Exactly I always hear the they're so busy excuse in global , busy at what sleeping? Wasting their money ?
Only Mori and Mumei can use this excuse the rest dont do anything on the side
Gura and Ame even with all their money cant seem to be able to go to a doctor
Kronii is depressed and doesnt do therapy
Fucking Hell its disapointing.

>>19445728
don't lie to yourself

>>19450749
I don't think EN's audience can really grow. If anything Hololive EN is already at the peak of vtuber corps since day 1, all they can do is cultivate a dedicated fanbase individually instead of chasing after numbers.
That said, while they're getting better and are putting more time into streams and having fun, it's just sad that there's just one rare instance where there's someone like Sana that doesn't really do anything. Kronii seemed to have computer issues or seems to have gone through personal issues in the past.

>>19444998
HoloEN as a whole is fucking lazy and enabled by their audience of faggot yesmen, Council especially. Council might as well be a fucking retirement home for how much these bitches don't stream, and they've been like this since day 1. Work hard as a literal nobody, arrive in Hololive, collect money passively for just existing. If I have any regrets in regards to this hobby, it's wasting time on HoloEN instead of finding cute indies who put in the work every single day.

>>19461128
No. As regular streamers have and will continue to mess around with digital representations of themselves the concept of vtubers will become more normalized and the EN vtuber world will continue to grow. Now will Hololive actually be able to maintain or grow their market share it's questionable but vtubing will continue to grow in the EN world just as streamers do.

>>19446931
What a powerful couple.

>>19445994
>>19445265
Bae literally streamed every day for a month

>>19445964
>>19445452
Holohouse EN would be good because then Stinky Gura would have friends and be less depressed and one of the other girls could feed her like how the rest of HoloX feeds Chloe and La+.

>>19446274
>>when some of these chicks can barely make the mandated 2 hour minimum before immediately closing the stream
La+ consistently streams for only an hour at a time

>>19461128
VTubers as a whole have barely reached their peak here. It's still quite niche (despite the boom in 2020), but it's slowly reaching out further and further into the mainstream. It's up to Cover whether they want to expand their influence over it or not

>>19445243
Does she actually have those eyes? I might watch her now.

>>19454393
132 hours is more like a month's worth of work if you're going to do the math.