/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>466
>half a million
Umm, anon

clippers grooming saviourfags for their next adsense pump n dump

>>19230327
>reaching
ESLkun...

>reaching

Normalfags feigning sympathy, opportunists, still-loyal fandeads, dramafags, etc.

Would you stop "going out" with your girlfriend because her father disowned her and she has to live in another place?

>>19230335
What even is there to clip

>>19230247
I'm not Cover, and if she really leaked Cover's bullshit ... BASED

>>19230358
meant for >>19230327

>>19230247
I actually hope she continues to grow and eclipses the holos
it would be absolutely hilarious and ironic

>>19230247
Your average joe doesn't give a shit if she leaked some nothingburgers. It doesn't affect any of her fans and the only people seething about it are Cover and their bootlickers. By next year she'll be at 1 million, hell at this rate it'll be by Summer.

People backstab their way to the top, and it often works out. Such is life.

>>19230375
If it was because she was trying to fuck other dudes and then trying to spread malicious rumors just to make her family suffer then yeah probably

>>19230435
It was just a moment of weakness. I can fix her...

>>19230247
>How???
Russia cute.

What happend I’m out of the loop

>mfmf publicly announced that he will cut ties with her
>probably black listed by other nip companies because of nda breachings
At last, her fans is the only thing she have.
Congrats fandeads!

>>19230247
People want to see the first livestreamed suicide of a vtuber

>>19230247
Unless I see evidence, Rushia didn't betray Hololive and you can't convince me otherwise. Rushia only fucked up violating NDA in an attempt to stop KoreKore's bullshit from fucking her over since he announced on stream that he would be setting up the narrative of how Rushia and Mafumafu are in a relationship.

>>19230514
But she told korekore she was being bullied

>>19230510
Positive elixir trade

>>19230247
she self immolated in a desperate, immature way to prove herself to her fans, it's endearing

Some of these subs might be antis or just dramaniggers wanting to see what she's gonna say. But obviously the majority are her gachis.
If she wants to commission a model and go full indie then she has a guaranteed huge audience and will make more money than before since she won't need to give a cut to a company. But managing your own career requires both mental stability and technical competence that she might not have.

>>19230435
> trying to spread malicious rumors just to make her family suffer
this part is irrelevant for the gachikois
on a way or another she "proved" not having a boyfriend and that's what matter for them

>>19230510
I worry for her.

>>19230510
I thought he only denied the relationship, not that he was cutting ties with her completely.

>>19230247
>Parted with Hololive in good term
>Other channel is already above 1M subs, with healthy amount of sponsorships, collabs and SC
So that's different between Coco and a backstabber...

>>19230559
>not that shit again
She complained to him that over 5 months ago. it's not related to the thing with the Mafumafu incident. There are no details about who that person is and what she told him. KoreKore doesn't even go into details himself and he's not sure if she was serious, which is unlikely. And the part about wanting someone/they to feel bad if offed herself is standard menhera muttering, it ain't serious.

>>19230710
She will easily mog kson

>>19230704
They were never dating in the first place, as much of a leaking traitor bitch that Rushia is, she proved that one at least and she was willing to get fired over it.

>>19230751
no she won't you gullible nigger

betrayed? did some more stuff come out about her? and no, i wont do my archive reps its too tedious with how much everyone is talking about her.

>>19230704
https://twitter.com/idkbria/status/1497544393300975626?

>>19230510
>he will cut ties with her
Why are you making it sound that's a bad thing for us fandeads? I didn't doubt her in the first place and she showed that she wasn't (they're just friends who play games and shit). mfmf's damage control to stop having contact is a win-win as far as I'm concerned.

>>19230247
what second channel ?
gib pls.

I hope she goes back to working in a brothel instead of streaming. Its gonna be too awkward playing up the act when its all be exposed as phony. with a face as pretty as hers she'll probably make more money in a brothel than vtubing anyway

>>19230704
Mfmf make a blog on how he will never contact rushia again.
Heck he didn't even mention her name on the blog.
If he's true to his word, then it's sad as fuck.

>>19230892
>all be exposed as phony
Based on what?

Also don't forget how much she damages holofes. Imagine having to yeet all the effort spent on Rushia-related events

>>19230892
Name 3 vtubers who isn't acting behind their avatars. You can't lol they all are acting.

Is anyone surprised that people who actually subscribe to.a content creator instead of just using newpipe wouldnt also follow the rommates too? Hell I am suprised she doesn't have more.
My oshis old roommate still occasionlly uploads the same kind of content.

>>19230876
god damn
rushia...

>>19230846
Doxxed cover employees and flare

>>19231019
Proof??

>>19230892
>pretty

>>19231019
i thought this was just a rrat, wtf

>>19230421
Being a sociopath is literally a requirement in order to be a CEO of a Fortune 500

>>19231037
What the fuck do you think she was fired for tourist?

>>19231019
should be pretty easy to back up this claim

>>19231019
Now that's a new rrat I haven't seen before. How does Flare even come into the picture?

>>19231071
ah so you're guessing, okay

>>19231037
Flare isn't proven but there's full proof of the uncensored things she gave to korekore on the JP side of vtuber discussion

>>19231071
Sharing company info and misinformation. It's in Cover's press statement.

>>19230247
I subbed out of morbid curiosity. Like where does she even go from here? How is she going to pull something worthwhile out of the trash fire she's made of her life? Enquiring minds want to know.

>>19231079
>new
That was literally the very first thing that was shown on the korekore stream

>>19231111
>X is bullying me
fired for sharing company info, sorry!

>>19231019
Unproven narrative based on the single fact that Flare seemed cold when she talked about it on stream.
We know nothing of what she actually leaked.

I believe Rushia was bullied by Choco or Matsuri.
I believe Rushia manager was shit.
I know for sure that Rushia broke NDA.
I heavily doubt Rushia betrayed her colleges other than bully itself.
I suspect there is someone who is not vtuber inside cover sabotaging talents and that person created second set of evidence other than kore stuff to NDA Rushia hard.
Speculation :One of rival companies have insider in cover.

>>19231019
>>19230846
>>19231071
>source: dude trust me bro

>>19231057
Yeah, it's a bullshit rrat, people keep saying it anyway.

>>19231079
Flare got a stalker and was raped because of the dox

>>19230876
>>19231010
I'm assuming he's cutting contact with "Rushia" and not her roommate.

>>19231199
>cutting contact with someone that doesnt exist anymore

>>19231192
There's no way top dog is being bullied by Choco lol

>>19231107
I'm aware of the things she shared with Korekore to dispell accusations of being in a relationship with MfMf. Flare is random and sounds like rrat.

>>19231150
Kore said nothing about what she leaked. He only showed his past line communications with her to back himself.

>>19231216
Yeah. Isn't that awfully convenient?

>>19231198
>raped because of dox!
Boring rrat.

>>19231230
It is a rrat. People ran with Noel and Flare seemingly not having a visceral emotional reaction in the gen 3 statement and just assumed she doxxed them or something.

>>19230888
>>19231037
>>19231057
>>19231077
>>19231106
>>19231188
>>19231194
Where the fuck were you faggots at during the past few days?

>>19231192
i'll do you one better
Rushia's harasser among Cover staff was a butthurt mafujo enraged at the mere thought of a chance that Rushia and him were in a relationship
Right place right time right opportunity to screw Rushia over by blocking all her attempts to ask for counsel, assistance and help with the discord popup incident
more fuel to the fire by yammering about Rushia doing something wrong to have their IT staff block Rushia from streaming
probably had proof of the custom birthday videos Rushia sent to top SCers and framed it as breach of NDA and contract
cover mafujo gets away scot free while Rushia's entire career with the company is completely ruined

>>19230510
>Rushia was so menhera and yandere that she wanted her fandeads and nothing else
>Now the only people who will ever do any sort of business with her ever are her fandeads
Monkey's paw...
Now all she has to do is marry orca and she will have come full circle and married her fans

>>19231342
Im not watching VT all the times and i already found out her second channel.

It's complicated matter but i hope she will be active later on her second channel.

>>19230247

>>19231342
I have watched every single event unfold in real time and have friends who know japanese to discuss it with. You are just reading some schizoposts on /vt/ and taking it at face value.

>>19231342
I read a lot of things in the sticky when it first came up but for the past day or so i was busy indulging in the last streams/videos of Kizuna Ai. Haven't kept up so idk what DMs leaked or whatever.

>>19231479
YWNBJ seanig-kun..

>>19230247
Cope covershill

>>19231515
I'm european...

>>19231199
Oh come on, the guy isn't that dumb. If he is to play semantics here, he will get fucked if it turns out that he is still meeting with her later. Chances are what Korekore said was actually true, and Mfmf took this chance to cut his ties with a menhera who tried to get a shot at him over and over

>>19231342
i'm
>>19231194
and was busy doing damage control all over the place while questioning Cover's incompetence and lack of accountability in terms of giving Rushia support when the incident happened while staff was unavailable, etc.
that sort of shit is inexcusable to me, especially considering that their talents ARE their cash cows, one would expect they would have the bare minimum decency to have more than one point of contact at Cover to consult and ask advice from on how to deal with incidents like these, and the lack of comms was so bad Rushia ended up going to third parties. A mistake that could have been avoided had Cover made sure to have proper IN-HOUSE support personnel for their talents 24/7 so shit stays IN-HOUSE. No NDA breaches, incident quells down due to proper advice, no termination. Ez game.
But alas no. And it has to be pointed out by everyone so this shit never happens to anyone else ever again.

>>19231150
Lol the screenshot Kore showed is about Mikeneko feeling harassed
/bullied at work and ranting to feeling suicidal and seemingly joking about wanting to make some unknown person(s) feel bad by killing herself and asked him to disclose about what they were talking about so people would know about it. She didn't kill herself and there isn't a plan to do what she chatted about in jest. That shit was just typical menhera episode mumbling. Doxxing and Flare literally aren't alluded or mentioned anywhere.

I raped Flare because Rushia gave me her address, it's true. I'll expose myself on my next video, make sure to watch, I'll even hire a Flare impersonator so she moans the same way she did while I was doing the deed.

>>19231578
Ganbatte.

Sana on suicide watch

>>19231617
who?

>>19231546
The Kore story was just one day after the discord message. No company PR will put out something this fast. Especially on a public holiday, where upper management would have taken off.

>>19231626
Worse than alone / Exiled.
Worse than exiled / Dead.
Worse than dead / Forgotten.

>>19231546
>and was busy doing damage control all over the place while questioning Cover's incompetence and lack of accountability in terms of giving Rushia support when the incident happened while staff was unavailable, etc.
Her manager already told her to wait while they contacted the higher-up to think of a plan to deal with it. That was all she needed to do, and if she listened she'd have gotten out of it relatively unscathed. It's not their fault that she didn't accept what they said and didn't want to wait more than 2 hours. Even Mafumafu realized that it'd be dumb to rush a statement right away and took a full day to plan around it (+ 2 weeks before releasing his 2nd one).
The only better support Cover could have provided was to get her manager to her home, physically, and restrain her from pulling menhera shit. Is it their fault for not realizing how dumb she could be?

>>19231520
YWNBE pinoy-kun...

>>19230247
I subscribed only for the drama and watching her lose her mind on public livestream. Like why people watch lolcows like Nikocado Avocado.

Getting pretty sick and tired of tourists invasion that's sucking Kore's dick and larping up Cover. Before 3 days ago, most people were shitting on Kore and criticizing's poor management of Rushia's situation.

>>19231546
I'm starting to think you unironically believe anyone cares what you're saying.

Bravo

>>19231019
I heard she also punched Flare

>>19231709
A fucking sea nigger.
Go home and fucking coock some rice and shit fucking seafaggot

>>19231738
It's almost like the story did a 180° when we learned she got terminated for contract breach.

>>19231765
Ey yo whats wrong with rice

>>19231738
Sounds as if anons aren't brainless retards who automatically goes "Cover / corpo is evil" and actually take up-to-date facts into account. Surprising (unironically)

>>19231789
And? Lol

>>19230737
I mean if I was cover and Saw this I would have given her the booth too.
She's a timebomb

>>19231738
It's been a constant 180° on his opinion depending on whether he shits on Rushia or not, people just wanna confirm a bias. I still remember when he was just "obviously defending his friends, no way he'd reveal anything incriminating".
Fucking dramaniggers.

>>19231789
People who have been rightfully shiting on Kore don't have any reasons not to continue. Same with bashing Cover's incompetence. Rushia wasn't smart about how she went about it but her intentions were sweet and well-intention to clear her name since Cover wouldn't let her put out an official statement.

>>19231898
Kore being a piece of shit and Kore's information being truthful can both be true at the same time. I hate dramafags but he has backed up his claims AND Rushia has not contradicted him once in the 2+ weeks even on her roommate, when all it takes would be a short "No he is lying" that wouldnt get her in any trouble.

>>19231738
People should be shitting on KoreKore the most. Seriously, he's the main reason Rushia got fired. She told that dramafaggot to not reveal certain things but he did so anyways and Cover launched an investigation after he went to them to check what he could share....

>>19232036
Rushia literally gave him info he shouldn't have on Cover (what it is we don't know) but also about her relationship with MfMf, which isn't as how people made it out to be. So what could he possibly be wrong about?

>>19232063
Yet she was the one who told him to do so and provided him with the materials to do so. He is only the messenger, she caused the damage herself.

The lesson here is to never trust a dramafag, least of all one who's untrustworthy as the equiilent to Japanese Keemstar who won't hesitate to throw you under the bus to generate more money.

>>19232117
>which isn't as how people made it out to be.
Tbf right now they dont seem to be dating but the past (2021) looks pretty ambiguous given her messages

>>19231507
She was shown to be talking with korekore and Narukami about the company before this event. That's it. It's retarded of her to talk to those two about the company however it's not like she actually dox someone

If she keeps her whales on the new account she'll end up happy enough, the extra 50% final income you get without covercorp taking a cut will soothe the pain of being booted and if she gets back even close to what she was on at Hololive, she'll be making a gigantic amount of money.

>>19231199
mf, he never even contacted "Rushia", he straight up contacted "mi-chan" in that DM. if he tried to loophole a technicality here it would be an absolute PR disaster if he's ever caught interacting with mikeneko after this.
it's over.

>>19232221
Don't think you understand. KoreKore was planning to stream a Rushia x MfMf narrative story. She wanted to stop that so she shared pics of her apartment, DM logs, and talked about why she wasn't his gf and that he wasn't living with her. Maybe she thought he would share some of that in his stream and he did and he said there were some things he couldn't talk about since they were sensitive info but he kinda did for some others she told him not to share.

>>19232265
true that brother

>>19231898
>sweet and well intentioned
I'm sure stalking mafu was very sweet
I'm sure digging at kore for info on him was well intentioned
Yes not waiting for a single weekend for us heckin obsessed fandead was so very cute and shame on her manager for telling her to wait
She was just hurtin bros we have to be there for her every time she pretends to commit suicide

>>19232408
>stalking mafu
Stopped there. They've been friends for a while. All we know supposed dated once some years ago and then became friends who played games together.

can she start making ear licking asmr videos on her new channel? I don't know why she couldn't at holo but I don't see no reason why she can't do that now. if she does she'll be ballin with donation money and I can get my dick wet, win win

>>19232385
You're mixing your timeline. He already knew about her intention to date him since january and probably would have just shared that. She has been talking to him since November last year.
Anything else Rushia showed him was just extra, about them just being apex buddies and her living alone.

>>19232461
>some years ago
She attempted to date him in January

>>19232590
gimmy the translation nigga I don't speak gook

>>19232590
Sorry, november or december 2021. She reported it to Kore only after the new years.

>Rushia: Happy new years! Last year was so busy I wasn't able to contact you but, the person I went out to eat with, before december I pried too much and they said they wouldn't go out to eat with me anymore (;u;) I was so shocked it took me awhile to contact, I am sorry...
Someday I'll get myself to be able to have a nice romance... This is my report.

>Kore: Happy new years. I see, I understand.

>Rushia: Best regards for this year too (she yoroshiku-ed him)
>I want to fix my menhera....

Then Kore apparently mentioned getting new years greeting from Mikeneko after this. Management got wind of that and told her to stop talking to him.

>>19232461
Depends how much you believe
>>19188419
>>19232590
At this point, since I'm not affected by the heckin cute princess in need of a savior aura Rushia has over her fans, I'm just waiting on her to deny it in any way.

>>19230653
Also proven to attempt to 'cheat' on her gachikois with a goddamn alien-looking mofo in the same vein, so only the most absolutely deluded of her gachikois will continue to follow her. Not that I think there will be none, some are definitely too far gone, but hopefully some of them will be free now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXAEc8nh-8o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXAEc8nh-8o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXAEc8nh-8o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXAEc8nh-8o

>>19231694
Give it up, this faggot and his ilk believe Rushia should have rushed out a message without prior approval in under 6 hours after the incident. Which is stupid, you don't let the known menhera battle and possibly dig herself into a hole right away, you tell her to wait and let things cool down.
Nope, she rushed STRAIGHT to korekore when she was told she should wait.

>>19231507
She was leaking some info (whatever it was) to narukami and kore kore before this whole incident and told them to release whatever it was if she ever decide to graduate from holo

>>19231765
Why are you hating yourself pinoy-kun? Too much rice no side dishes?

>>19232824
This is Nicolive right? Wasn't it filled with banter like this?

>>19232483
>intention to date
Never confirmed unless I missed something. Actualy confirmation of dating and not just hanging or going out to eat. He knows that the two of them have some kind of a relationship and he was spinning a narrative that they are together precisely because he could cut out a romantic relationship based on what gleamed from his chat with Mikeneko in the past. It's been days already and Korekore hasn't come out to say that they are in fact dating or in a relationship, so at least we know that they aren't, influenced by Mikeneko proving to him that she isn't from info she shared.

>>19232590
Doesn't even sound like an attempt. If she was being noisy about who's he's dating or seeing, then that doesn't sound like they are dating or that she was trying to date him herself.

>>19232843
>if she ever decide to graduate from holo
If she were to disappear, in her own words. Dont write things that arent there.

>>19232983
>If she was being noisy about who's he's dating or seeing
>that doesn't sound like she was trying to date him herself.

bet you half of that are rubberneckers like me. subbed just to see the first stream.
did the same with lilith's roommate channel

>>19233141
Nah if it's interesting I'm sure I'll hear all about it for a week

>>19232843
That's not what she says. It was some typical menhera shit along the lines of "when I finally do it I hope they all suffer". People rratted this out into her threatening a doxx or something but it's really just her acting unhinged.

>>19232843
As >>19233013 said, it's a metaphor if she gets killed, which likes her up to her suicidal talks. The constraint and context of their talks from what we can tell amounts to complaining, venting frustration, and shit-talking in humor...unless you believe she will really kill herself. Not likely.

>>19233130
Friends can be curiously nosy, you know

Has she talked suicide or has she just claimed she wants to die? Not the same thing because I sure as fuck want to die but suicide is too much of a hassle.

>>19230247
They want to see her stream her suicide

>>19232983
>I got rejected
>some day I will have a romance...
Dude...

>>19233218
Yeah but it never escalates to the point shown in her message.

>>19233218
There's a difference between can and probably. If that's what you want to tell yourself I can't stop you. I just hope you wake up one day. She was fake. Even being fake though, is not what people care about right now.

She was probably desperate to get her word out because she felt guilty. Not because she loves her fans so much like a menhera girlfriend fantasy.

>>19231192
>bullied by Choco
giwtwm

>>19232063
Dumb EOP

>>19230247
Then Mori says she misses her and doesn't want her to be a taboo topic

I can't help but be jealous of mafumafu's twink ass. I mean, how attractive do you have to be to get women to chase after you?? Its almost 99% of the time the opposite. And it's not an ugly women, rushia is a top tier whore with a beautiful face. This is a guy that can fuck whoever he wants whenever he wants and I can respect that about him, no matter if he is a fruity tooty ass twink or not.

>>19233530
i doubt Mori knows the extent of the drama

>>19231361
>marry orca
Marry ALL of us

>>19233569
nah she's happy that hololive and other holomems are getting fucked because she hates hololive

>>19233569
She can't possibly know less than the people here do.

>>19233569
She probably doesn't care, or might try to make it sound not as bad for her own purposes. Whatever her reason is she's a fucking retard, as usual.

And how many of those subs are pay pigs?

>>19231361
how much money has Orca coughed up to her? It's nothing compared to what a rich man like mafumafu can give. Orca is just a small fish when Rushia (or calico cat now) has options to meet n fuck with sharks and actual whales. be realistic, she wont date a fan unless they're rolling in dough

>>19233569
I think she's more bummed that it likely resulted in projects being cancelled. Perhaps stuff that was already in the works, which is lost time, effort, and money. plus Rushia was someone Mori got along with. So learning that she did bad stuff also hurts, Hololive was supposed to be Mori getting away from the negative stuff.

>>19230375
Yes. Women use their fathers as their archetypes for men in general. A woman who doesn't have a good relationship with her father won't respect you as a man.

>>19230247
i missed out on the drama, some one redpill me on what happened pls

>>19233786
Read the archives. The tldr got posted every fucking hour.

>>19231738

>>19231546
I can promise Rushia was told to chill and give it a bit of time while management develops plans and statements but considering Korekore talked about it *3 days* after the initial yab means she talked him in even less time than that. It's regrettable but it's on Rushia for being an impatient menhera and rushing to blab to Korekore and leak a bunch of shit in an effort to clear the narratives. I mean, good for her, the narratives have been cleared so job successful but at what cost?

>>19233861

lol i posted that

>>19233656
Since she only found out at the time of the announcement she obviously wasn't briefed about it beforehand. I believe only JP got to know the whole story beforehand and the rest probably had to get a rundown from their managers after the announcement.

Speaking as a Fandead, I personally separate Rushia and the person behind Rushia as two different entities. I only care about Rushia and what her character is. As Cover said, the private lives of those behind the avatar are their own, and I respect that. So this incident with MafuMafu never bothered me. What upsets me is the way some fans (GFE idol fans) behaved and also due to how haters (most seemingly from MafuMafu's fanbase) took the opportunity to throw cancel culture around.

Now, given everything we have come to learn over the past few days, it seems the person behind Rushia isn't dating MafuMafu based on just observable facts. Rushia's GFE hype exploded last year, and in the previous year, the person behind Rushia seemingly didn't date someone either until the contrary is unearthed. Whatever feelings the person behind Rushia had at the time, she took the risk to eliminate falsehoods that endangered Rushia by confiding in KoreKore. Unfortunately, it was a risk she paid the ultimate price to do. So those GFE fans got their answer: Rushia is GFE, but Rushia is no more now, and it sucks, and I'll likely never get over how shitty this all went down.

>>19230751
>banned from all corpos for NDA breach
>indies will not touch her with a ten feet pole
>Even Kson gave up on her
No collabs, no sponsorships, no merch, nothing. She will slowly fade into a little corner of Youtube as a 2view surviving off her brainwashed gachikois

>>19234490
The WingsOfRedemption of Vtuber, or is it DSP?

>>19234076
Cover should investigate applicants next time if they have a history of being menhera. And the other menheras and all Westoids (since they are batshit by default) in Hololive right now should be monitored closely.

>>19234305
>I personally separate Rushia and the person behind Rushia as two different entities
Sadly, she herself didn't.

>>19234490
Rushia can literally go independent or do what Kson does. Rushia supported and and was there for Kson, so there's no way Kson wouldn't do the same. And judging by her remarks in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u-pLU6jecs that alludes to Rushia, she'll support her.

>>19234619
DSP is still around surprising after all the people that kept trying to take him down.

So I would say Wings is the Cover of vtuber companies since Cover is banned from China, can't get permissions, and surviving off of superchats, and oh Cover is just as retarded as Wings and won't a learn a single thing from the Rushia incident other than to order whatever equivalent chilli is in Japan.

>>19234490
>no merch
Merch companies don't care about NDA.
>no sponsors
Why would they care about NDA if she's only advertising their product and not being given company secrets? She'll be able to get them no sweat.
>collabs
With how big she is tons of very large indies would gain a lot from collabing. She's already talking to some famous gook twitch streamer on how to make a twitch stream.

You're just fear mongering and talking out of your ass. With all the fans and success she's accumulated at this point she's too big to fail. Maybe she wont be as big as she could of been but her success is virtually guaranteed. Those 500k subs on a channel with no content but a 12 second blank video didn't come from nowhere.

>>19234305
>What upsets me is the way some fans (GFE idol fans) behaved
She's been in the industry for years. She knows the game and played it really well to rope cucks like you, and knows the consequences if she fails to maintain the illusion. The fact that people and even Cover defended her when it initially went down is a luxury that is afforded to few people of her type of creator, the might of an entire company's legal and PR team, but in the end she still fucked it all up

>it seems the person behind Rushia isn't dating MafuMafu based on just observable facts
Nah. she just simped for him and was probably his sidemeat and he just tossed him aside despite all that.

>>19234920
This is Japan we're talking about. They're autistic about corporate law, and something very dishonorable like getting terminated in public is practically social an hero. This isn't the US where celebs break laws all the time and become even more famous for it.

>>19234833
>supporting a paranoid vindictive suicide-baiting menhara
Is kson really that dumb?

>>19235042
>paranoid
>vindictive
False.

>>19234833
>>19235042
If it is confirmed she will support Rushia, it will be her biggest challenge yet. The last time she helped her, the menhera was such a toxic black hole that the biggest saviourfag in vtubing had to take multiple onsen vacations to clear her mind. I joke about Coco being Jesus, but in the end you can't save those who've already damned themselves.

>>19230247
Most of them are people who want to watch the meltdown. Then they will be dead subs.

>>19235172
Or the Jap equivalent of Kiwifags/EDiots who can use the opportunity to reduce her into a lolcow

>>19234724
Not sure what you mean by that...

>>19234976
Seems like you didn't read my post well. I'm not a GFE idol purist fan. I wasn't roped into anything and since I only care about Rushia and what she represents for me, the fantasy never went away as I don't care about the private life of the person behind the avatar.
>fucked it all up
She did but it's not because she tried to defend the fantasy/illusion for those GFE idol fans BUT how she went about it and for trusting KoreKore who was going to score her over under his own initiative, so perhaps felt she couldn't wait to let the heat die down. Whatever the case, it sucks.

>probably his sidemeat and he just tossed him
I doubt it I suppose people will believe whatever they want in the end.

>>19235263
I unironically want her to be successful because I love drama

>>19231738
Not everyone is a brandead fancuck anon..

>>19235340
Yeah how dare you change your position when new information comes out, you must be a newfag tourist anti

>>19235303
>Not sure what you mean by that...
It means Rushia stopped being a character a long time ago.

>>19235380
Makes one think how new info from dramaniggers that are either out of context or incomplete info that is fuel for speculative rrat can do that.

>>19230247
How? Migration, you idiot.

>>19230704
https://youtu.be/p1J5N0Y-dQI

Enjoy.

Because at the end of the day oshi over company. What's the point of having an oshi if you abandon her at her lowest point? Buy the dip!

Don't take stock in subs too much. Kizuna gained about 40k subs after her last live. Drama also gains a lot of views. That 3rd gen talk on Pekora's channel has like 2.3m views. There's also a guy called Ishowspeed who gains 1 million subs in less than a month just because he was a meme on Tiktok or something. You should really take stock in the whims of tourist since their attention is easily swayed and their dedication is just as flimsy.

>>19235784
Also some vtuber companies have like 100k+ subs and only a few thousand views per video

She has ads running on that black screen video lmao

I don't see what's stopping her from spreading the rest of the secrets since she's damned anyway? Breaking NDA more isn't going to make Cover and the holomems from hating her less, and suing means nothing since she'll an hero and that will hurt Cover's imagine even more of being a black company.

>>19235308
Me too. Going full menhera lolcow will make her blow up in net history as larger than even Kson.
t. ex-EDiot

>>19231192
That is some max-level cope

>>19236154
Because maybe she isn't psycho and malicious as some people try to paint her out to be just because of one chat she had with Kore about feeling harassed by someone in management?

>>19236376
If she wasn't psycho and malicious Cover wouldn't have fired her in the first place, but of course Cover is a (((business))) so the feelings of their workers means nothing.

>>19236484
Don't pretend you've been living under a rock all of a sudden. All we have is Cover's statement and made an explicit notice that points to NDA termination. Anything beyond that is a pure guess and even from speculation, it doesn't point to malicious psycho either except for those with insane rrak.

can't wait to see her being indie, hopefully she commissions a boing boing model.

>>19236559
So what do you think was the real reason? Cover secretly hated Rushia and was devising a plan to get rid of her?

Nigger

>>19236711
The answer is simply this.
Whatever they found when they went through her socials was bad enough that they felt they HAD to fire her over it.
>Leaking communications regarding business matters
IMO, she's probably been giving info to people like Tamaki or other corps about things like when Holox would debut, or sponsorships etc. Not out of malice even, but because she's a retarded menhera that leaks more than a sieve.
Then there's the falsehood spreading (Menhera sperging most likely) and other stuff that, when brought together, indicated that after this latest outburst and the history she has, that getting rid of the landmine NOW before it got worse was the correct move.
Given how everyone seems to have accepted it (Sad, but she fucked up bad and the firing was justified), it definitely points to a screwup of monumental proportions by Rushia that affected multiple people behind the scenes.

>>19230247
Cry more
>>19235988
slimy liar her new ch is a ytkids

>>19236711
Best reasonable guess is company emails she had with managers, discord logs, whatever DM she shared to 3rd parties (either KareKare or Narukami or both), and probably lying about/having unauthorized Discord DMs with her biggest spenders as Rushia in-character (although this is not likely as other vtubers do that too)

>>19236154
>I don't see what's stopping her from spreading the rest of the secrets since she's damned anyway?
Because that's a recipe for legal disaster. She's already said lawyers are involved and considering we're talking about breach and subsequent termination of a multi-million dollar contact, lawsuits are a given. Cover would be justified in suing her to cover losses and damages. For now, she may still be able argue simple carelessness but if she continues, she would be exhibiting actual malice and would be well and truly fucked.

>>19237543
They can't collect anything if she an heroes.

>>19237543
Full disclosure, I have no idea how likely this scenario actually is given that we're dealing with a Japanese company in Japan, but in America, this sort of contract break involving this amount of money is almost always accompanied by lawsuits because nobody just walks away from millions of dollars and just lets it go.

>>19237588
Technically not true, they could still sue the estate, although the bad press from trying something like that would be far more damaging than anything they could get back from them.

>>19230247
I always sub to lolcows, she has a lot of milk left in the tank

>>19237764
I'm pretty sure her an heroing at all would already damage Cover's image.

>"betrays" soulless company
>This is bad according to zoomers
We're approaching clown world really fucking fast

>>19237828
>an hero
Considering the amount she threatened and still hasn't done it, I doubt she's going to at all. She's crazy manipulative menhera, the wrong type to actually do it. The suicide threats are cries for attention, not warning signs.

>tfw she's trending again in jp

Who would've thought the menhera wasn't just an act?

>>19232824
>this channel

kek

>>19231019
she raped Flare then attempted to lynch her....

i miss rushia. she has talent as a voice actress. i don't give a shit about management. it seems like they do nothing but collect a percentage

>>19238073
>Who would've thought the menhera wasn't just an act?
The secret is that every female is menhera, some just hide it better than others.

>>19237916
>le zoomers
>"clown world" zoomer speak
Retardchama

>>19232946
Worse

>>19230351
>>reaching
>>19230358
>>reaching

my dick can reach the top shelf. the rest of you are reaching.

>>19233130
The girl stalked a random Korean viewer who gave her $5 once and oshihened to yell at them for betraying her
You cannot comprehend her power level for this kind of thing

>>19235696
>Hero Hei
Isn't this the guy who had cringe moments about the Korone imposter?

>>19230892
>with a face as pretty as hers

anon...

>>19230922
>Based on what?

based on my dick

>>19231757
>I heard she also punched Flare

based. fuck flare. she hogs big titty noel and can't get a titty fuck

>>19238181
>Le le
>Retardchama

>>19234490
she is ronin now. she is free

>>19234920
>You're just fear mongering and talking out of your ass

yes he is. the samurai fears the ronin

>>19232824
>>19238118
>literally reposting the same video over and over and over
What the fuck is wrong with this channel's owner?

>>19230375
Yes this is literally no different than with women and how they see their relationship with their moms. Women with daddy issues are not worth dating.

>>19239326
Nothing
a) he's just trying to show eop's what they're in for
b) he's trying to bait out the next menhera episode so we have more entertainment

>>19231546
>7 so shit stays IN-HOUSE.
stfu nigger, she is a fucking 30s obasan, she had responsibilities, your point is like blaming the husband for the wife cheating for not giving attention

>>19238556

>>19231738
not true, all time i wanted that fucker to graduate for being a manipulative whore, and it was better than expected, she was disgracefully fired

>>19231738
Worse part is Kore is acting like a dindu nuffin when he didn't do what Rushia asked him to do which was to keep it confidential and instead he got her into trouble.

so what name is rushia streaming under now?

>>19243897
Mori Calliope Ch. hololive-EN

>>19244156
voice changer?

>>19234920
>Merch companies don't care about NDA
OH REALLY, they care about public opinion and business relationships, tell me how many figures Haruhi Suzumiya had after Aya Hirano fucked everybody in her band, and she didn't a fucking NDA

>>19244573
>Aya Hirano fucked everybody in her band
Literally didn't happen.
The bassist refused.

>>19244777
based bassist

>>19230247
>Everyone's already back to streaming business
>Except her
I wonder how does she feel about it, from top to zero

>>19230421
>>19231070
Sure, I get it if you're a CEO or entrepeneur.
But she's literally the low rank worker who has everything to lose for any misdemeanor. And lo and behold, she lost most of it.
Her channel was deleted, so she doesn't even have a legacy.
Also, funny how this is a good argument against fancucks, even if it was unwillingly.
As a succesful corporation she had to be terminated without hesitation as to not jeopardize operations.
But guess to fancucks it's only okay for the menhera who "loves" them to be deranged.

>>19234490
>kson gave up on her
What, when, where?

>>19230247
Nobody cares about the company or the avatar, they care about the girl, how many times do you have to see this happen

>>19230876
>those replies from girls on the original Twitter thread
Pool of menheras.

>>19231199
He's cutting ties with both.
He only said Rushua to satiate the urges of menheras of both fandoms, and because he was caught in Rushia's streams. The drama was sith Rushia, not Calico.
Had he even mentioned any type of cat again, Cover would be ass raping him so bad he'd become a castrato out of sheer humilliation and lawsuit debt.

>>19232063
What he shared does not matter friend,
put this in your head, he could have shared
nothing just saying "he received information"
and that then being confirmed is enough to get her fired.

The problem isn't the public getting the information, it is the information getting out
of Cover in the first place. You get that?

Rushia caused Coco to graduate with the things she leaked, its her fault.

>>19236859
>Tamaki or other corps
It's possible considering Cover said various parties, not just a few or several individuals. Then again NoriPro fired one of their own over a similar case, so they might snitch out Rushia.

>>19230510
mfmf is going to witness the wrath of the japanese schizos, and rushia will continue to devolve into a menhera worthy of a horror novel, I would say its a grim outlook for both sides.

>>19235696
>Hero hei

>>19235696
>Hero hei
Kys

In all of this I just like the way Rushia proved she wasn't dating mafumafu, by showing that she just WANTED to date him but he wasn't reciprocating

>>19230247
Schadenfreude. People want to watch her livestream her own suicide.

>>19235696
>Hero Hei
Second only to Ot*kMori

>>19251074
She proved she planed everything to put him against the wall. Too bad for this menhera, look like he a pro at breaking wall

>>19251074
She didn't give that evidence or want that given as evidence, korekore gave those DMs as evidence. Her evidence she gave was they lived in seperate houses as pics and the manager DM. She asked not to actually show the evidence, and just have his word as source.

>>19230876
>Fucked people life up in just 1 dm
>Consideration of BOTH of our futures, stop all contact between us
HAHAHA so Mafumafu is basically doing hit n run

>>19235696
Why the fuck did none of these Western dramafags translate her message to Korekore - which was likely what got her fired?

>>19230247
Some of it are fandead
Some are naive faggots who don't know the extent of her treachery.
Some are dramafags waiting to see if she decides to drop any more bombs.
Some are tourists subbing for the hell of it.

>>19230247
>How???
Turns out "liking Hololive" is not a thing. People are there for the talents.

>>19230247
it's just saviorfags, it won't take even a month for her streams to struggle to go beyong 1k live viewers

>>19230247
collective mental illness
remember, the chuuba reflects the audience

>>19231342
they were valiantly defending ukraine against the rushian invasion
plz understand

>>19256147
Rushia's only talent was to open the wallets of her paypigs.

>>19230666
Same...also, nice trips anon

>>19231738
What do people have against korene?

>>19238118
>>19232824
Why does Rushia look like a drug user?

>>19230247
because i don't give two shits that she 'leaked hololive information' by being a menhera panic merchant. it was accidental with no ill intent to her coworkers, so why should i be mad or upset? her contract with cover means fuckall to me, i'm not a fucking corpo.

>>19257011
You know what they say. If it looks like a drug user, walks like a drug user, and quacks like a drug user...

>>19252961
If they did that they wouldn't be able to make videos about her anymore.

>>19230247
i want to see more chaos first hand so i did sub

>>19230247
and Mori defended her, and deadbeats called Mori based for saying her name and defending her.

>>19257348
The only drug she needs is my love

>still no link of her new channel

Her fanbase is full of hardcore cucks. Orca had a meltdown yet crawled back to her. And that was BEFORE the termination. Now he's already pledging to support her new channel no matter what because he believes in her.

>>19251074
Wanting to date him is just as bad as actually doing it.
I don't forgive you just because the other party declined, you still intended for it to happen.

>>19239326
He's being based.

>>19257917
Orca went to a soapland yesterday, he's healing.

>>19258006
The only thing that will heal that guy is being buried.

>>19243827
Kore is not under any contract with Cover,
his sharing or not is irrelevant, what is relevant
is that Rushia passed him that information.
Kore could just jack off to that info and she would still be fired that is what people don-t seem to understand.

>>19230247
>>literally betrays Hololive and kicked in the most disgraceful way (completely unverified)
hm.
>>19230435
>spreading malicious rumors with no actual proof
yes, you are a faggot, but what does that have to do with chuubas.
>>19230409
the only "people" who are "seething" about it are schizos on /vt/ looking to stir shit.
>>19230510
>making things up
meds.
>>19230710
>backstabber
citation needed.
and also don't fucking try to pretend that kson's numbers aren't inflated by leftovers of the faggots who followed her as coco purely because they decided she was an icon of fighting the zhangs that she doesn't actually give a fuck about.
>>19230559
>>19230737
>people trusting this "korekore" nobody
>literally trusting a narukami
how are people on this board able to be this new as to literally believe compulsive liars who exist to generate drama for their own amusement? aren't you all the same faggots who were shitposting for weeks over that nux faggot that's also a narukami? holy shit.
>>19230755
> leaking traitor bitch
hello where are the proofs.
>>19231019
>>>19231037
produce evidence or fuck off. and no, this "korekore" spouting lies is not proof.
>>19231071
>look guys I called him a tourist, that means I win, right? do I fit in yet?
>>>/b/ lurk moar.
>>19231079
anon thinks that flare not crying means she despises rushia because anon things you only love or hate people, with nothing in between.
>>19231111
>I believe the company I insist is evil, they would never lie
?????????
>>19231150
>continuing to lie
neck yourself.
>>19231198
[citation needed]
>>19231342
right fucking here, faggot, except not being retarded enough to believe the schizos around here every time they fart.
>>19231507
there's nothing beyond a questionable press statement and a lying narukami fabricating shit like they all do constantly. you're just faced with schizos looking to stir the pot.
>>19231543
>chances are ... what a narukami said is true
narukamis are not capable of truth. they're bigger liars than the average shitposter here. you cannot be this retarded.
>>19231546
assuming she actually did, which is a big leap because most everything you have beyond cover's dubious statement is a bullshit fountain busily fountaining bullshit.
>>19231617
rent free.
and besides, it's the brapper that has something to worry about with all her shacking up with conjobbor.
>>19231649
>the dramatuber made shit up faster than a company can damecon
pottery.
>>19231694
and do you have proof of any of that, either?
after seeing how badly j-"chad" handled coco and handles brapper, are you seriously expecting any of the other managers to be any more capable?
>>19231738
welcome to 4chan, where stupidity has taken over.
>>19231818
more like it sounds like anons are brainless retards who take whichever side will give them more fuel. there's no "up to date facts" at all, just one dubious press release.
>>19231886
this.
>>19232036
no, they can't. narukamis cannot be truthful.
>>19232117
>>19232221
>>19232385
he spun a rrat, faggots believe it completely because cover's ass-cover lines up with it loosely except the things they imply she was leaking are a hell of a lot bigger than anything he claims she told him.
>>19232483
>literally believing unverified/unverifiable shit
meds.
>>19232289
by who? he doesn't count.
>>19232675
>she reported it to korekore (according to korekore, which inherently means the statement is false)
MEDS.
>>19232843
she is accused of leaking business info, none of which is the stuff that any of these narukamis are waving around in their spasms of lying. think, anon, THINK.
>>19233013
>Dont write things that arent there.
but that's all the faggots shitting on her are doing.
>>19233780
whereever you came from, you need to go back.
>>19233786
a friend of rushia's DM'd her while committing the grievous crime of having a Y chromosome. people fagged out. a dramatuber latched on to spout rrats and photoshop-manufactured nonsense. cover supported rusha untill they didn't, and fired her claiming she was leaking business info. the dramatuber lied some more, and anons have been taking the dramatuber bait because they know it angers people.
there's literally no legitimate proof of anything past rushia getting a DM from a guy and cover shitcanning her.
>>19234076
>I can promise
no, you can't. you know fucking nothing more than any of the rest of us. and being one of the faggots that chants "yab" and continues to use "mental healther" which refers to users of 2ch's mental health board as a generalized perjorative for mental illness becuase you're a faggot who uses words without knowing teir meaning and is stupid enough to put any credence to a narukami's lies, you probably know less than most.
>>19234490
>unprovable nonsesne
meds. take them.
>>19234651
and how exactly shall they investigate whether someone posted on 2ch's mental health board when it's just as anonymous as this shithole, you mongoloid?
>>19235042
are you really retarded?

>>19258819
Take your meds

>>19258819
All me

im just there to be the first supachatter to tell her to kill herself
also ask how mafumafu's cum taste
god i wanna see her neck herself on live

all the fancucks shud get together and do a heavensgate
i mean think about it, rushia is a necomancer
if u neck urself, she'll revive u and u get to meet her
pls neck urself fancucks

>>19238221
>the rest of you are reaching.
Oh I'm reaching hard right now anon, and trust me when I do reach, you will feel it.

>>19235133
you need to lay off the lean, faggot.
>>19236154
kill yourself, retard.
>>19236376
because she isn't the monster that people retarded enough to believe a narukami want her to be, indeed.
>>19236484
take your fucking meds.
>>19236559
oh, but anon, thinking the worst about someone is what you're required to do, even if it means believing someone else that you constantly make a big show of distrusting, didn't you know that? /s
these faggots will literally take anything at all as fact if it means they can badmouth someone and act like they're literal hitler.
>>19236859
>probably been giving info to people like Tamaki or other corps about things like when Holox would debut, or sponsorships etc. Not out of malice even, but because she's a retard that leaks more than a sieve.
that's the more likely sort of thing, honestly. given the statement's wording, if it's true then it's probably referring to shit like that.
I wonder how much of that kind of thing kalliope does when she gets drunk around conjobbor. only other holomem I can think of that makes so big a show of hanging around with outsiders and also admits to getting themselves shitfaced regularly. /swt
>>19238178
go back.
>>19243570
>you're an adult therefore no responsibility is ever shared
and yet you probably blame someone else entirely every time you get caught fucking up, don't you. just neck yourself already.
>>19243827
why would he keep things he made up secret? what's the point of making shit up if you don't spread it around?
>>19252768
and you're retarded if you believe anything that faggot has posted isn't shit he pulled out of his ass. he's in the business of pulling lies out of his ass, you retard.
>>19252961
because they can't read japanese and would rather find something easier to bullshit about. and even they're probably not stupid enough to believe an narukami's lies.
>>19258682
>is that Rushia passed him that information.
>according to him, and he's untrustworthy by default
do you niggas really.

>>19231055
>>19238526
she's cute, fuck you!

>>19258819
>>19259402
I wrote this

>>19258819
>>19259402
Yeah, but consider this:
You're a cuck and she got fired.

>>19230491
Putin fired Rushia
Rushia sad
Rushia is back at her roommate channel
Nothing of value was lost

>>19257063
Huh? But it WAS malicious. She's been doing it for months to multiple drama channels even before the mafumafu thing. She literally told Korekore to take down Hololive and leak everything if she got fired because she's a petty cunt. She was also trying to solicit info on mafumafu like a deranged stalker, all while manipulating her paypigs and playing into GFE. She's literally a lying two-faced bitch.

>>19230247
We're all waiting to insult her.

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俺からも伝えるよ、るしあ。今までお疲れ様。そして本当にありがとう。俺達ふぁんでっどは君のことを永遠に忘れないし、推し変もしない。俺達が推し変なんてしたら、君はまた刃物をチラつかせながら、瞳孔の開ききった眼差しで脅してくるだろうからね(笑)。俺達ふぁんでっどは永久不滅だよ、るしあ。るしあとふぁんでっどの絆は他のどのVTuberよりも固く結ばれている。だから安心して眠ってください。おやすみ、るしあ。大好きだよ、るしあ。ありがとう、るしあ。

…なんてカッコつけて別れの言葉を考えてみたけど、ごめん、やっぱり無理だわ。るしあのいない日常なんて考えられない。もう二度と船長との痴話喧嘩や団長からのいじりも見れないの?嫌だ…嫌だよるしあ。いなくならないでよるしあ。お願い。俺を置いていかないでよ。俺を置いていくなんてずるいよるしあ。俺は今日ほど君になら刺し殺されても構わないと思った日はないよ。よりによってなんで君がいなくならなければいけないんだ。なんで俺じゃなくて、君なんだ。俺なんかが生きていたって世界は何一つ変わりゃしない。でもるしあ、君は違う。君は世界に笑顔と幸せをずっと振り撒いてきてくれた。現に、君がいなくなると同時に戦争が始まってしまったよ。君はこの世界に必要不可欠なんだよ、るしあ。お願いるしあ、帰ってきて…君がいないと、この世界は駄目になってしまう。ああ、神様。一生のお願いです。どうかるしあを助けてあげてください。俺はどうなってもいい。でもどうか、るしあだけは助けてください。お願いします…

宗教なんて微塵も興味無いくせに、こんな時にだけ神頼みなんて都合良すぎるよな。ぐだぐだ言っていても仕方ない。俺にできることをやらなきゃ。俺には陰謀に惑わされた大衆の目を覚まさせるという使命が課せられている。あんな公式声明何一つ信じられない。真のふぁんでっどにしか分からないと思うけど、るしあは本当に本当に素直で良い子なんだ。ホロライブの仲間を裏切るようなことなんて絶対にしない。これは罠だよ。るしあをよく思わない黒幕が仕掛けた罠。るしあを退けて第三次世界大戦を勃発させようという陰謀。きっとカバー公式もまふまふもコレコレもその黒幕に利用されたんだ。何者かがまふまふのアイコンを使ってるしあにメッセージを送り、まふまふに虚偽の釈明をさせたんだ。今冷静に考えると、そもそもふぁんでっど第一のるしあがまふまふと付き合うわけが無い。おかしいだろ?そして今回一切関わりのなかったコレコレに偽の情勢を発信させる。あたかもるしあがコレコレに機密情報を流したかのように見せかけるためにね。そしてみけねこという声だけるしあに似た女を用意し、みけねこ=るしあと錯覚させる。あの時るしあは食事も歩行も困難だったはずなのに、みけねこはYouTubeチャンネル開設やインスタに自撮りをアップしていた。この矛盾がるしあとみけねこが別人であることを証明しているよね。最後の仕上げにカバーがるしあからあらゆる権限を剥奪し、問答無用で公式声明を出してるしあを消す。奴らの筋書きはざっとこんなもんだろう。裏社会の権力者が一声あげれば偽の情報で俺達を塗り固め、正義の魔女狩りをするなんて容易い。結局みんなはネット上のデマに踊らされて操り人形にされてしまっていたんだ。だから俺はみんなの正気を取り戻して、るしあが安心して帰ってこられるような世界を作り直してやるんだ。俺はふぁんでっどの誇りにかけて最後の一兵まで戦う。このままるしあを悪者扱いで終わらせてたまるか。待っててるしあ。君が世界を救ってくれたように、今度は俺達が君を助け出してみせるよ。いつかきっと…必ず…

>>19261153
ムチョオ テックスト

>>19261231

Damn, i really hope that Rushia comes back in Twitch to put an end to Ironmouse empire.

It would be funny AF if Rushia surpasses her in the same day she makes a come back.

>>19258819
as schizo as the antis, still worthless effort to defend

>>19230247
She'll need to post another video soon, or her subscribers will be cut.

>>19258819
Gigacope, keep simping for the backstabbing trashy whore you worthless cuck