/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

why does OP pretend that he's not a faggot?

She needs someone to write lyrics for her because jesus they're bad.

>>19202799

>>19202924
nice selfie retard

why do I see the same thread every day in the catalog?

>>19203187
discord

>>19202872
it's kind of impressive to write anything when your THAT inebriated

OP would look at the liner notes on a Beatles album, see all the staff involved in production and distribution of the album and conclude they aren’t real musicians.

Holy shit OP is retarded and desperate.

>>19203187
KFP works everyday

>>19203823
the retard is you. The beatles still wrote all their own lyrics AND composed the songs, AND even helped with the mixing process. Mori doesn't do that. Mori doesn't even compose.

>>19202712
she doesn't know Japanese, all those squiggles are really hard for her drunken brain to learn, please understand

Most rappers and singers are not also producers.

>>19202995
glad you can recognize yourself in the mirror

>>19202995

>>19203998
well George Martin did contribute a lot later in their career(especially with orchestral parts) but he never wrote entire songs or played any instruments. Mori isn't involved at all with the composition whereas George Martin could be considered another member of the band

>>19204013
If you don't write, compose, or produce your own music then you aren't a musician. You're a vocalist for someone else's music project.

>>19203823
>Beatles
The beatles wrote and played there music and instruments in very competent fashion. Mori isn't even close too or on the same level the beatles.

>>19204044
So you admit that you're a faggot too then?

>>19203998
You’re proving my point. They helped with mixing but they aren’t credited in their own albums as producers or sound engineers because basically every artist has some say in the mixing. Mori obviously had some input on the mix but that wouldn’t make her the sole credit for it. Also it literally says she wrote the lyrics right fucking there. The credit for composition was likely someone who helped tighten up the Japanese and arrange the music to better fit Japanese lyrics. I”m not even a Mori fan but goddamn Mori antis are fucking grasping at straws.

>>19205038
mori just picked a track to sing over, I'm not a BMW engineer if i buy a BMW

>>19204878
Anon thinks an example is the same thing as a comparison.
She’s obviously not the Beatles dumbass.

>>19204059
Oh no no no deadcucks we got too cocky

>>19205038
I did not prove your fucking point because Mori still doesn't do the bare minimum of writing ALL their lyrics and composing ALL their music.

This is so simple to understand if you just try.

>>19205203
your the dumbass cuckbrap your wannabe rapper rockstar oshi is gutter trashin her own words bitch is dog water

>>19205429
I concur

>>19205318
the anon wont they cant see it they are to high on the lean

>BuT ShE DoEsNt EvEn WrItE tHe LyRiCS

>>19205664
Did she write all the lyrics idiot? Go on show us the credit right below that one

>>19202712
>Screenshots show she wrote the lyrics
What is OP trying to prove here?

>>19206322
words aren't music

>>19206436
Singing words is music.

>>19206155
Y’know what fuck it. I don’t care. If she did write all the lyrics antis would say “but she didn’t mix it!” If she did mix it they would say “but she didn’t produce the beat!” And if she did they would say “but she didn’t do the art for it!” If she did do the art for it they would say “she didn’t animate the video” and if she did every thing to satisfy the schizos demands they would just say “yeah but the song sucks.”

>>19206322
and a "selamat pagi" to you too!

Name one (1) hololive member who actually writes lyrics, composes, mixes, and masters all by themselves like real "musicians" should.

>>19206555
>"she didn't make the music in her music but shes still a musician"

>>19206795

>>19206654
I didn't know Edogawa wrote english lyrics. Thanks for the heads up!

>>19206155
>>19206654
Original songs she wrote ALL the lyrics for:

Off With Their Heads
ReaperかRapper
DEAD BEATS
Live Again
RIP
Cursed Night
Ibasho
Red
guh
end of a life
Journey Like a Thousand Years
Myth or Treat

Original Songs she co-wrote:

Bully
TGRIALS
Dawn Blue

>>19202924
Why? Didn't you have enough?

>>19207162
everyone one of those is garbage except for Myth or Treat.

>>19207162
words ain't music

>>19207762
>>19206524

>>19206795
Mori is the only Holo that seriously thinks she's a musician

>>19207864

>>19207944
see
>>19206524

>>19208080
Wiki literally says it's music bro.

>>19207330
We will have had enough once the cancer known as Mori Calliope and her cuckbeats are gone from Hololive for good.

>>19208153
Indeed. I'm glad we agree on this.

>>19207162
So she can write lyrics by herself only sometimes. And she still can't compose. Wow what a musician she's totally a creative artist.

If she can only write lyrics that pretty much only makes her a poet.

>>19206524
the melodies and harmonies of which are determined by the track(which she didn't make) If she picked a diffrent one the melodies would be diffrent. If you gave a musician a novel and asked him so sing it he would have to create music to fit them because words aren't music. You can have music without words but you cant have words without a music

>>19206555
>>19207747
You can’t make this shit up folks.

>>19208367
>>19206555
lol

>>19208402
>acapella isn't real

>deadbeats dont consider jazz to be music because it doesnt have chunni lyrics

>>19208439
Her music being garbage has always been what her non-fans have said. You saying "even if she did everything people would still say her music sucks" implies people weren't already saying her music sucks in the first place. Are you trying to be dumb or is this just how you are.

>>19207747
I dunno, I used to like deadbeats before it were mainstream.
btw I'm not a cuck anymore

>>19208567
oh yeah how could I forget all those choral only songs mori wrote

>>19208439
Listen to Journey Like a Thousand Years. Mori literally writes like a fucking ESL. Kiara's verse is a particularly egregious example of how she can't even match the cadence of the lyrics to the melody of the song.

>>19208439
>>19208521
deadbeat seething in this state of thinking he made a point.

>>19208986
>Went from she's not a musician into she's a shit musician
Cool goalposts. You could've saved yourself the trouble and just said she's shit instead of trying to argue something and change halfway.

>>19209134
she still doesnt make music. a book has words but isn't music. classical music is music without words

>They have now been reduced to simply calling her music garbage
As expected. Later losers

>>19209134
No, even a shit musician (especially one who pretends to be a rapper) should be able to match words with a beat.

>>19209246
>Moves goalposts again to CLASSICAL music.

>>19209447
>says he's leaving
>doesn't leave
cuckbeats, folks

>>19209447
>classical music isn't music because it doesnt have chunni lyrics

>>19202712
itt; OP doesnt understand that vocalists call themselves musicians
next you're going to tell me ziggy isn't a musician

>>19204861
She does write her own lyrics. She gets help with the japanese parts because why wouldn't you. But most rappers just get a beat they like and rap to it. These days most rappers you know don't even write their own lyrics. Someone like Kanye just hires people to do everything and then he approves or disproves it. Top singers often do even less. Shocking that this is shocking to you

>>19209620
>The only definition of music is classical music
k bro

>>19209662
it's not shocking, they're just not musicians. Mori included. Owning a house doesn't make me a carpenter

>deadbeats be like: ah yes sheet music

>>19207944
Mori only writes the words, not the melody with which the words are sung to make a song. Mori does not write music or songs.

>>19209907
music doesnt need lyrics, lyrics on their own arent music. mori only writes words which on their own aren't music. This isn't hard to understand than again you are a deadbeat

>deadbeats think words on their own are music and that writing words make you a musician
just like their oshi

>>19210129

>>19210513
this just proves my point, it doesnt have words only music

>>19210513
>mori composes music
>composed by someone else

>>19210513
>composition: not Mori

there you go.

Dramafags are getting awfully desperate.

If you perform classical music you didn’t write I guess you aren’t a musician?

She did a few tracks herself such as deadbeats. I'd like to know how that doesn't count.

I liked Sick Outta Fashion

mori animates more than she actually makes music, why is considered the music holo?

>>19211048
if you actually go to a music school to become a musician, you compose music as part of your schooling. Even auditioning for a professional orchestra requires the performance of an original composition.

When she dropping dat fart sample pack though?

>>19210361
Putting lyrics into an existing track and adding to it is still music, specifically, a song. And songs are all music by their very definition. If you really want to be pedantic about your definition of music aka classical training, then Mori is still a songwriter.

>>19211384
so in the end, she's a shitty songwriter and a wigger. That's perfect.

>>19211335
So if you’ve never written an original piece in your life but still perform music regularly you aren’t a musician? That doesn’t make sense.

>>19211384
the track is music on it's own the lyrics arent, it could be a saxophone playing the melodies and it would still be a song and the words would still be just words

>>19211481
Yes, she makes songs.

>>19211734
if you wanna call kids in school bands musicians, sure.

>>19211481
that still doesnt make her a songwriter if 90% of the song is already there. If my car is red and I paint it green i just painted it, it was still built by someone else

>>19205664
>Mori's only contribution is the worst part of her songs

>>19204861
So profwssional cover singers arent musicians? How retarded can you be.

>>19212078
now you get it

>>19212004
I would. They play music. So they’re musicians. You could say they’re bad musicians or good musicians but they’re still musicians. If you want to argue Mori is a bad musician then whatever. Check it up to personal taste, but it seems kinda ridiculous to say she’s not a musician at all.

>>19212105
I honestly don't know what these niggers are trying to prove. Just say her songs are shit and she's bad at making lyrics instead of this bullshit.

>>19212172
we are writing words on a Chinese cartoon forum, looks like you and I are writers.

>deadbeats were the kids who wrote their names on shit and said they owned it

>>19212320
according to deadbeats everyone here is a musician

>>19206795
Name one big "real musician" that never hired someone to do something to their catalogue.

>>19206795
None. Women can't compose music. They can only write lyrics.

>>19212497
>mozart
>stravinsky
>Charles Manson

>>19212320
Literally yes, doesn’t mean we’re published writers or professorial writers or whatever the fuck but we’re writing. What the fuck is even your point?

>>19212638
why is charles manson the only name you capitalized?

>>19212861
If you're saying Mori is a musician, then I'm a musician, you're a musician, and now the word has no meaning.

It's funny when this board pretends to know shit about music or music production

>>19212861
>posts on 4chan, can draw stick figures, can write shitty lyrics and play the kazoo"
>"yeah i'm a writer, an artist, and a musician."

this is the deadbeat mindset.

>>19213088
cool song fellow deadbeat!

>>19213088
Nah. I think that your logic boils down to a no true Scotsman fallacy and you’re argument is fucked.

>>19212876
because listen to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_gZ2a3l2ck

>>19213088
I don't write anything bro, and neither do you.

>>19213134
Mori used to be someone on 4chan pretending to know shit about music production until Hololive made her successful

>>19213259
I do technical writing, so technically I'm a writer! :P

>>19213260
he killed that track!

>>19212320
Yea youre writer. But in your case, nobody wants your work including your mom.

>>19212638
They didnt play the whole orchestra. Writing musical notation is just a documentation if no one performs it.

>>19213215
If you do those things repeatedly sure. Quality has nothing to do with being any of those things.

>>19213852
music notation is MUSIC. words arent

>deadbeats be like: check out these new albums i just bought

>>19213088
Everyone is. Society just built labels for different career specialization.

>>19202712
That's a new level of semantic retardation.

>>19214092
So making blueprint is building ahouse? Sure dude. Go live on your blue prints. Music is meant to be heard not read lmao.

>>19214092
Performing music is also music. Why are you guys being retarded in this thread? This shit is the dumbest argument, when Mori does have songs she made herself. Even then she wouldn't even have to do that because performing music would also make you a musician. It isn't hard guys, if you compose or perform music you can call yourself a musician.

>>19213259
deadbeats say that words alone qualify as music so technically we're both musicians. But if shitposting on 4chan doesnt make you a muscian than I guess you admit that mori isn't one either

Antis getting desperate

She's the whole orchestra when she's farting while getting kek'ed by Cannur, A true musician

>>19202712
Good question, considering she's fully capable of doing the artwork and movie herself also.

Deadbeats aren’t saying words = music. They’re saying if you perform a song you’re a musician even if you wrote the lyrics but didn’t write the music for it. Why does this confound the anti mind?

This thread makes no sense to me

How are you not giving credit to Mori for at least writing the lyrics? That's a solid plus, and she's also shown off her MV skills for some of her own videos too
There are other holos that are considered music-focused holos like Suisei, Azki, IRyS, but they haven't completely composed, mixed, MV'd, created artwork or logos for their songs either last I checked
They also haven't done as much lyric writing or MV making as Mori if at all

I feel like instead of bashing Mori based on "she only writes the lyrics" you should be giving her credit instead, cause that's like 1/5 - 2/5 ish elements of the MVs she creates herself compared to the average 0 across all of hololive

>>19214775
Their artificial "yab" was overwhlemed by an actual, organic one. That's why they're seething.

And with Mori just confirming that she's involved in not 1, but two Major Recording projects with COVER... they're really desperate now.

>>19202712
>lyrics and vocals by Mori
>composition, mix, music video, art, and mastering by other people
Nigger that's standard for a rapper. You chose the stupidest, most invalid criticism possible. Your retardation is impressive.

>>19215382
rappers arent musicians, that's why streaming sites label them as "artists"

Where did Mori she's a musician anyway? Is this another episode of seething at things Mori didn't say?

>>19215161
shes still not a musician

>>19215448
This argument is a new level of reaching

>>19214092
words can be music if they are PERFORMED by someone (which btw, makes that person a musician). there are words to songs. think about how songs were passed down (especially cultural and folk songs) before the advent of musical notation. but that's besides the point, why are we arguing about what the definitions of 'music' and 'musician' are? do you really have to win against mori that badly that you have to literally define her out of that label? i care about music. and regardless of your opinion on her, defining her differently, if you apply the same standard across the board, redefines other people as 'not musicians' that you probably do like. you're just trying anyway you can to downgrade mori as person because you just really don't like her. and it's fine to have your opinion of her, but you're straight up just wrong about this in particular and don't know what you are talking about

>>19215161
>artificial

>>19215583
>A musician is a person who composes, conducts, or performs music. ... A music performer is generally either a singer who provides vocals or an instrumentalist who plays a musical instrument. Musicians may perform on their own or as part of a group, band or orchestra.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musician

Now please fuck off.

>>19215583
>>19215538
Can you help me out here?

>>19206555
this is a yikes for me

>>19212861
I sing in the shower sometimes, I'm a musician.
t. deadbrap

>>19215768
well, it is. Without the anti doing the SC, or the Anti putting in the fanart, Mori would've not reacted to anything.

This thread is retarded for both deadbeats and antis. Just say she is shot instead of trying to confuse everyone with nigger talk OP

>>19215774
>performs music
What are you trying to prove here?

>>19215864
When will they learn that the word musician in no way necessitates a particular occupation or quality of performance? Holy shit.

>>19215448
I don't care what rappers are. You can bash her for valid things like alcoholism but you can't bash her for doing the amount of work that rappers normally do.

>>19214092
music notation is not music, it's just symbols on paper

>>19216042
>A musician is a person who composes, conducts, or performs music. According to the United States Employment Service, "musician" is a general term used to designate one who follows music as a profession. Musicians include songwriters who compose music as well as write lyrics for songs, conductors who direct a musical performance, or performers who perform for an audience. A music performer is generally either a singer who provides vocals or an instrumentalist who plays a musical instrument. Musicians may perform on their own or as part of a group, band or orchestra. Musicians specialize in a musical style, and some musicians play in a variety of different styles depending on cultures and background. A musician who records and releases music can be known as a recording artist.

>>19215795
>>19206919

This thread is why no one likes deadbeats and seething antis. Go back to your containment rushia yab sticky

>>19215934
You say that like Mori's reaction to the SC and the fanart wasn't the yab, and then her childish reaction to the fanbase telling her to stop.

>>19216184
so mori isn't a musician then?

>>19216310
It still won't exist without external factors, thus "artificial"

>>19216244
I think my eyes are failing me. I can't find the "I am a musician" line anywhere. IIRC those were her debut goals.

>>19216438
You're probably arguing with an illiterate ESL

>>19216409
>mori acting like a retard never happened.

deadbeats...

>deadbeat piano

>>19202924
lmao never fails

>>19216582
We need difficult and randomized English literacy tests as captchas

>>19216238
>or performs music
Check
>follows music as a profession
Jrap, check
>performs to an audience
Check
>records and releases
Check
That definition is /very/ general and applies to many types and categories, and it includes Mori among them. It's definitely not your hyperspecific preconception of what a musician is.

>>19216733
what, like having them write a poem? which is the same as a song

>>19216827
Skalds were poets retard.

>>19216786
I don't what this guy's issue is. Youtube is an American Company, so it would follow the United States Employment Service's definition.

As well as Mori is from Underworldian US, so she would follow the same definition.

>>19213134
it really is the consistently funniest attack on mori, makes even the most deranged rrats look reasonable

>>19203187
Why?

Fandead deflection is getting out of hand

>>19215048
she also writes almost all of her vocal melodies so its retarded on this front too. its such a weird angle to take

if you don't like her just call her music shit. its still music. reddit tier semantics

How many of the IPs in this thread are deadbeats falseflagging?

>>19217355
the melodies are reliant entirety on the track she didn't make

Imagine hating someone so much that you endlessly argue about the meaning of a word, and STILL ending up being wrong about it

>>19217800
so just to double check, writing a melody isnt creating music?

>>19218007
If I put a sticker on my car did I build it?

>>19217800
>now even MELODIES aren't music
by your standards, what even is music?

>>19217355
>she also writes almost all of her vocal melodies
this is a lie

this deadbeat is lying

notice how this is a lie? and he just says it?

applaud the deadbeat for lying

>>19218107
in the car analogy, the melody isn't analogous to a sticker on the bumper, a melody is a crucial structural component of music and is more comparable to the design of the car itself

>>19218318
HE DID IT, JUST LIKE HIS OSHI TAUGHT HIM

>>19218107
Fucking hilarious. You think that the melody of a song is as inconsequential as a bumper sticker? Holy shit the stupidity of the antis is truly incredible.

>>19218318
shes got 5 albums and multiple EPs of doing this but sure ok buddy

>>19218494
words arent music, mori doesnt write music. mori writes words. VROOM VROOM

>>19218318
He didn't lie though, and since you don't even watch streams how could you even know what is a lie and what is the truth?

>>19218546
if by "doing this" you mean getting composers to write the melodies and chords for her.

>>19218107
evidently

That's easy.

When you just pick the one that suits your narrative you can prove even that you can save rushia by shoving her up your ass.

look up her discography.

off with their heads. lyrics, sing, movie
reaper ka rapper. lyrics, sing, track, mix
dead beats. lyrics, sing, track, mix
live again. lyrics, sing, track, mix
please rip. lyrics, sing, track, movie
cursed night. lyrics, sing, movie
ibasho. lyrics, sing
red. lyrics, sing, movie
spiral tones. sing, lyrics
bully. lyrics, sing
grim reaper is a live streamer. lyrics, sing
end of a life. lyrics, sing, mv
graveyard shift. lyrics, sing
journey like a thousand years. lyrics, mv
q. sing


To give you an idea of how demented your definition of musician is where "just sang" excludes it, Irys is not a musician. By your meds-deprived definition, of course.

>>19219239
words still arent music

Mori had a wholesome 6hr stream today and the antis cannot handle it.

>>19219398
if you perform them and/or record them, they become music

>>19219398
They’re not JUST words, they’re lyrics. Lyrics are music because lyrics are musically performed. Are you okay?

>>19219239
you left out the credits from people who helped her with lyrics, mix, and track because you want to make it look like she did all those things herself.

This reminds me of when deadbeats said Calli is actually really good at video games and that it's just us who have too-high standards for what counts as "good at gaming."

>>19219653
musically performed as in from music created by a composer who writes the melodies, which mori doesn't do for her lyrics.

>>19219496
mori only made the words

>>19219756
You don’t have to do all these things by yourself to be a musician. Bands exist. Songwriting partners exist. Songwriters who write for musicians exist. Musicians who only perform songs written by other people exist. These arguments are so pathetic.

>>19219946
then, after she made the words, she recorded them

Why does Mori pretend to be a Holo when she clearly hates being one?

The answer is money.

>>19220199
recorded them by speaking naturally? or by singing them to a melody or rhythm written by someone else?

>>19219928
>19219928
And? If she performed the music she’s still a musician. I swear your mother must have drank while pregnant.

>>19220379
nah my mother wasn't Mori's mom

>>19219946
She didn't though, she has input as to how the track is put together. She comes up with the melodies over the track. You don't even know the first thing about the music production process and think you somehow know better? Never change, based retard

>>19216348
she performs music, so that makes her a musician. that doesn't make her music good, it just makes her a musician.

>>19220332
coverbands are still musicians

>>19220461
Took every last remaining brain cell to come up with that one huh?

>>19220522
she literally said she just picks a track she likes

Mori Love!

>>19220808
where, otherwise you made it up

>>19220808
And she still has to come up with melody, you realize that right?:

>>19218858
ah yes, my favourite aspect of music, chords in solo vocals

you people are all fucking retarded lmao

>>19221128
words arent music

mori is not a musician. If she can not make music she is not a musician

>>19221275
sure they are. your post is music to my ears anon. i can hear it in my head now!

>>19221275
>>19221659
When backed into a corner, the schizo will repeat themselves endlessly until they are able to believe their own shit takes.

>>19202924
LMAO.
Based.

>>19221275
Directors don't make movies they just sit in a chair and tell people to make the movie

>>19222310
>directors show up on set to a movie that's already been made according to deadbeats

>>19222415
your retardation astounds me

>>19222415
who made that point?

>>19222605
thank you fellow muscian

>>19222605
It really shouldn't, by now you should know how retarded those people are.

Most rappers don't produce their own beats so I don't see the point in criticising Mori on this. Making music production/composition out to be the only aspect of being a musician is objectively incorrect and by that definition a DJ is more of a true musician than a singer-songwriter.

>>19222713
so we agree that mori isn't a musician

>>19222678
no, thank YOU fellow musician

>>19223110
What program do you use for sheet music bro?

>>19222924
She is a musician because she writes her own lyrics and performs her songs. What is a musician to you?

>>19223434
somone who makes the music in music, dancers perform music technically but theyre not musicians

>>19209662
Except Kanye CAN do all those things.

>>19223512
by your definition none of the people involved in the production process are musicians then. it's not just one person who "makes the music" but a team. the finished product is the music

>>19223512
What is 'making the music' in music? Composition? Production? Are singers not musicians?

>>19223391
i used musescore for that (which is free), but the best programs you have to pay for ...or not

>>19223786
Ahh I use sibelius, pirated that shit though. Heard musescore is pretty decent might give it a try.

>>19223721
Forget it anon, we have him arguing against the definition set by the United States Employment Service.

It's even more proof that this shitter is a SEAnig

>>19223721
composers and producers are musicians because they make music

>>19224344
singers are also musicians. singers that only sing covers of songs are also musicians

>>19209134
>everyone is the same person

Is anyone here even a musician or play instruments? My little brother plays the piano, writes songs, composes his own tracks, and does rap battles against other rappers.

>>19225475
I play the tuba

>>19212320
the paid shills are

>>19204044
Deadbeats actually fail the mirror test. No sentience.

>>19225475
I play oboe professionally

>>19202712
I still can’t believe that she is so bad at ignoring trolls on chat and Twitter that she released an entire album to bitch about it. Like holy fuck.

>>19225475
I play guitar and drums

Lyrics without music is just poetry.

>>19227632
I'd hardly call moris lyrics poetry, but deadbeats seem to think they're the same as a symphony

>>19202712
you'll be surprised how many big hit songs in the west are written by a small group of people

holy mother of samefagging

>>19228401
like a band?

>>19223914
i recommend finale

>>19223914
musescore is cool but their website is shit

kari chan kakkoi

>>19209662
Kanye is a producer, not a rapper. He actually does what the job label describes and it's what he has always been famous for. A lot of "rappers" are like this. Nobody is into Dr. Dre for his raps, if they want the person who actually writes the lyrics they listen to Cube but if they want the beats, they go for Dre. Mori is obviously not in the producer category so you either have to compare her to people who write good lyrics, next to which she looks like a retard or to people who just rap real good in which case she's simply forgettable. Obviously nobody in Hololive is a musician, they are no different from any other pop idols in that regard. They are in the same category as a Taylor Swift at best.

>>19209662
kanye is more involved with his music also he's more funny than mori

>>19230135
>Obviously nobody in Hololive is a musician
That is incorrect. Stop making yourself look like a fool.

This thread is retarded because you can easily look up what a musician is.

>>19202924
BASED

>>19225475
I play with my dick and use it to make your mom sing.

>>19203823
Holy shit you're fucking retarded. Even the shittiest bands play their music

>>19202924
kek

>>19230600
It's a colloquial term used to describe a profession, a profession no one in Hololive has. The guy they bring in to record the oboe on a Bonnie Tyler song is a musician. Bonnie Tyler is not.

>>19203823
Yes, you would look at the credits for We Are the World and rightly conclude the participants weren't musicians. But then you'd look into the rest of their discography and find out a decent amount of them were musicians but they are capable of other things as well like appearing on a charity single.

>>19202712
She's a modern day musician aka she's the face and just sings/raps it. At the very least she wrote some lyrics

>>19231014
>>It's a colloquial term used to describe a profession, a profession no one in Hololive has
lol you do not have to have music be your profession to be a musician or you'd take out a solid 95% of musicians on the whole planet

you people have just attached a ton of reverence to a term that has none. its really stupid and weird. plenty of holomems sell music for money and put shows on. they are musicians.

>>19231014
Anon, the definition people use here is
by the United States Employment Service.
If a person is in any way involved in music production, which includes lyric writing, that pert is by definition, a musician

every mongoloid in this thread pretending they know anything about music

>>19206555
This post is 100% true and all the replies are coping with being called out.

>>19231136
You have to divide people who do something professionally vs. people who do it recreationally. Otherwise most of these professional terms are completely meaningless, literally every single human on the planet in every single era of human history is a musician by your definition. Which is fair in some topics of conversations (like the conversation about what is music), but not this one where we're talking about someone who pretends to be a professional musician.

>>19231286
>Gets BTFO
>Now questions the definition because he's seething

>>19231148
At least you've picked an obscure source to justify your weird beliefs, I doubt you'll find anyone in the world who genuinely thinks that way. Literally none of the constant arguments people have been having for generations on this subject would ever happen if a single person believed that was the definition of a musician. You realize this argument has zero to do with Mori, right? This is an argument people have been having about pop stars since before you were born. Because instinctually people make a distinction between the person who makes the music and the person who performs it.

>>19231212
I mean, he would argue that people who can't play music well aren't musicians so he's even more of an elitist than anyone here.

>>19206919
Failed, pays other people to mix for her.
She's collabed with Mouse, but she won't have succeeded here until she forced management to let her collab with Connor.
Do Americans really?
LMAO
Succeeded by proxy.
Hardly counts when it's retard attempting poetry.
If she cared so much why did she spoil the surprise her genmates worked so hard to keep?
Self-centered, short-sited, rude crude and a drug addict too, nobody has done more harm to her entire branch that Calliope Whori.

>>19202712

Do you hate Mori to the point you've forgor what a musician is?

If a significant part of your profession involves performing (and/or making) music, then you're a musician. IRyS is a musician. Pan Piano is a musician. AFAIK, neither of them even compose music (well maybe, IRyS contributes some lyrics, I dunno).

Or are you trying to say Calli's not an music artist? Like, I don't even like her music (except end of a life) since I'm not a fan of rap or anime-ish pop, but she's still a music artist. You don't need to responsible for every aspect of a song to be considered an artist. I mean, fucking Britney Spears is considered an artist.

>>19231286
You just call them a professional retard. A drawfag is an artist. Ina is a professional artist. Seems pretty simple to me.

>>19231948
>Pan Piano is a musician. AFAIK, neither of them even compose music
pan does a lot of her own arrangements right? or am I getting her mixed up with ru, they're the same people to me

>>19202712
how to tell that someone didn't work at the music industry

>>19231397
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musician
It's literally Wikipedia

>>19202924
Kek

>>19232068
A lot of things would seem simple and yet retards in this thread make it clear they are not and it ends up being about ten discussions at the same time. Anyone can see the OP and understand what is being referenced but instead everyone has to pretend they don't and have some other discussion instead. I think the point everyone would agree on if they were honest is whatever we may think the word musician is, Mori is clearly pretending to be more of one that she actually is. If being credited in any way on a song makes you a musician, then that's fine. But all those other people credited on that song would not present themselves as dishonestly as Mori to have contributed more than they actually did.

Although in her favor, I have to give Mori credit for admitting multiple times that her credits are for terrible and extremely minimal effort. So maybe the problem is her fans misrepresenting what she does more than she herself.

>>19232561
>But all those other people credited on that song would not present themselves as dishonestly as Mori to have contributed more than they actually did.
What are you even talking about? She credits whoever's working on whatever just like any other vtuber, and internet content creator would do.

>>19202924
DONT FUCKING POST THIS I SWEAR TO GOD

>>19232784
https://youtu.be/fOZ-MySzAac

>>19232840
haha ok I laughed, you cheeky fuck

>>19232561
>>19232650
Anon, you have to understand, they have to do this to get pic related.

>>19215104
cope

>>19222199
When backed into a corner, the deadcuck will repeat themselves endlessly until they are able to believe their own shit takes.

>>19202712
I guess Ado is even less of a musician then, since she doesn't even write the lyrics. What a bitch.

>>19203823
The fact that so many books still name the Beatles as "the greatest or most significant or most influential" rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics, instead, are still blinded by commercial success. The Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rock critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers.

>>19234777
>jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane
i know this is pasta, but that line is some old bs there are so many goated jazz musicians, not just coltrane and duke

Is this about Irys new song being flop again?

>>19232561
finally, the thread's final character appears: the reasonable and compromising retard - who is still wrong and has no idea what he's talking about - but in an even smugger way

why do women pretend to be pure virgins when they're cock suckin whores?

>>19211117
>ugh, those "sad boys" are just pretending to be depressed for attention
>they don't have REAL depression like ME
pure hypocrisy and cringe

Almost 300 replies in this dogshit thread. At tjis point all of you dont love or hate mori at all you guys just like talking about her.

>>19202924
Cuckbeats getting uppity? Just post this. Works everytime.

>>19239467
Except that now only applies to fandead, the real cucks, not something manufactured by antis to cope.

>>19239953

Why not? They all pretend to be idols as well

>>19202924
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Got'em

>>19210513
I hope you're only pretending to be retarded. Your image says she didn't compose shit.

>>19202924
Based, every time

>>19202924
Touche.

>>19206919
As of now she's failed 1, 2, 4, 6 and 8.
It's not that she hasn"t been able to accomplish them. She failed. She can't fix any of those.
What a great vtuber we got here guys

>>19207747
The chorus and bridge of Live Again are beautiful.
The rest sans MoT are puked shit

>1) Claims to be a rapper
>2) can't freestyle
If you can't do 2, you are not 1.
No wonder she needs someone to write her songs.

>>19202924
They'll never fucking recover from this, kek.

>>19246101
>not a musician
>not even much of a rapper
she should stick to art and animation

oh look another mori hate thread from a former deadbeat who got butt hurt cdawg is railing mori and not him

>>19248265
his name is bubi sir

>>19248265
>oh look another mori hate thread from a former deadbeat who got butt hurt cdawg is railing mori and not him

>>19202924
this shit is more retarded then the "Keep saying it" skit on /v/

you niggers are dumb.

>>19202924
How will deadbraps ever recover?

>>19249275

>this low effort thread is still going on
Only one explanation
Mori herself is tearfully posting in here
lmal

>>19249837
she could've used this time to maybe compose something besides shitposts. Oh well

>>19249837
She's literally live right now.

>>19250513
>songwriting
>not writing music only words

>>19250547
Yes, words are a component of songs.

>>19250623
books arent albums

>mori made a stream to cope

>>19251211
kek

what about live again