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Luv me clock

*THUD* *THUD* *THUD*
>"KRONII DOKO?"

I LOVE KRONII
I LOVE HER SO MUCH
I HOPE SHE IS DOING FINE AND CAN RELAX ON HER TRIP
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

>>19078011
Fuck off cuck shit. Kronii hates cuckolid, I follow Kronii and hate cuckolid.

>think about it, Fauna has a horse cock. Sana has a giant cock, Mumei and baelz would have probably around average cocks, then Lady Kronii would...probably be around fauna's size
>but what about their cum? what would they taste like
>alright well-

>"I've been thinking about, at least to me, why the rrat is so rapeable, and I think I've managed to arrive at my own personal answer, or at least my own conclusion. The rrat is a black hole of humiliation, rape, and dubious consent, while simultaneously drawing you in with her background, the fact she tends to be ignored by others, and her true personality.

With each successive day that passes, she becomes more and more rapeable. Let's think about this for a second, and start with her design. If you look at her, you'll see that she exposes just enough skin for her to seem erotic, appealing, but also keeps the rest of her hidden under clothes that like they'd be easy to get rid of; just imagine reaching for her top, pulling it down as you watch her breasts flop around, her nipples in full view. Her less developed assets, baggy clothes make her look smaller, easier to pick up, to do anything you want to her. The spiked collar, the rat associations, her expressions, her hairstyle give her the air of a teasing, cheeky brat, one who knows how small she is, how erotic she is to you, how much you want her, but won't let you near unless you establish yourself as dominant before her, always teasing you but scurrying away before you can truly get near. Like a mouse, you'd have to trap her, make her unable to escape so that you can ravage her to your heart's content.

Then, there's her attitude. On the surface, she fits her design to a T, a high-pitched voice, verbal tics like 'boom boom', her joke-y, zoomer-like personality, constantly being loud and making herself the center of attention... she wants you to look at her, she knows you're watching. She wants to annoy you, so you'll definitely mind her presence. She wants you to hear her, even from the ends of the Earth. She got tipsy off of half a tall can, and has a tiny bladder; she's so cheeky, so vulnerable, it makes you want to tear her clothes apart, hit her, abuse her, make her shut up, make her piss herself, hold her by her waist and use her like a living onahole, cumming deep inside her womb over and over again until you're satisfied.

But if that was all there was to it, you'd just rape her and hit her and leave her to it. That's all she'd be good for. But that's not it, is it? There's something that draws you in about her, constantly. You just can't seem to be able to... let her go. And that's the catch, isn't it? The Bae beneath the surface, it was never about the confidence, it was about the vulnerability. She gets upset when she's ignored. Her sad expressions are adorable, pulling you in with her small frown and her huge eyes, like an abandoned kitten. Deep beneath the illusion, there's a shy, Cantonese girl, with strict parents, trying to let herself go and enjoy the freedom she's never been allowed to have, be loud, and have as many eyes on her as she can. Even in this very stream, she's screaming at even the slightest of jumpscares; it's not even that scary, yet here we are. She cares deeply about her brrats, she wants to give them the best show she can, she's always streaming, she's always so organized, and it makes her feel terrible when others ignore her and don't acknowledge just how hard she tries.

You want to reach out. Protect her. Tell her it'll be fine, that you love her, that she does everything for you. Hold her tiny, warm body against yours, run your had through her hair, watching as her tail moves around and her ears twitch in response to your petting... but then, she's back to her usual self. Smiling, with that toothy grin, those sharp teeth. Putting her hands behind her back, cracking jokes, teasing you, letting you get a good look at her bare shoulders. Very soon, you're on top of her again, ruining her with your dirty talk, destroying her with your penis, doing whatever you want with her naked body as if she was just a doll.

That's it. The perfect combination. You prey on her, destroy her. But at the end of the day, you also feel bad for her. You're not content to just let her lie there, her ass a deep red from your spanking, a puddle of piss and cum forming on the floor. It's only when you regain your humanity after raping her over and over again that you realize just how sorry you feel for her, how much you want to hold and protect her. You treat her tenderly after raping her, you conquer her smile and her love. She's all yours, forever. And that's why you can't abandon her, that's why you rape her over and over again, and that's why you hug her and press her against you in the shower afterward, why you let her lean on you when you're watching a movie together, why you're there to provide comfort and support when she's playing through a scary game, why you're there to tell her she's better than her parents and will make it in life after she gets berated by them for her lifestyle.

Rrat isn't for rape. She's for rough rape with gentle, tender aftercare. And that's the winning combo; you'll never abandon her. You CAN'T."

I'm absolutely loving Kriegeronie posting

Huh the previous thread was filled with discussion about the /infinity/ island from start to finish. I think that's a first.

>>19078355
I didn't actually get to read it all. can someone bring me up to speed (sorry i was playing Elden Ring)

>>19078397
Sure.
You're getting fucked in the ass if you don't read the thread.

>"How kronies how's it going--"
>"You sound cute."
>"Yeah, I bet he's pretty with his clothes off."
>"I call sloppy seconds."
>"W-what?"

Kronii Love!

>>19078298
Wow where did you get this picture of me anon

>>19078476
You've some how made these images more ominous than they already were

>>19078428
Alright I'll stop being a Lazyronii and read it (un less you're already jotting down info. then I'll hold up)

*Click* *Clack*
>"I wish she liked Bionicle..."

>>19078560
You can go ahead and read, but it'd all subject to changed

>>19078584
This, we also have to clean up the world thread since some people unilaterally posted stuff there.

>>19078397
Almost the entire thread was focused on discussing the island so it's kind of difficult to summarize. But big things that come to mind: we decided on having our island be slightly warmer with 3 climates. We have a rough draft of our ports and naval bases. One of the anons will draw the design of our soldiers. We won't have magic/psychic powers in our lore. We were kind of deciding on what Kronii Milk is. We discussed some parts of our society like Kronii's priestesses but nothing is final yet I think. Anything else?

>>19078617
>We were kind of deciding on what Kronii Milk is
would it not be like...a thing that's produced by the women of the cloth in our country?

>>19078545
>"Look at all this dust and destruction around you, and yet you still look well hydrated and refreshed."
>"I can explain!"
>"WHERE ARE YOU HIDING THE KRONII MILK?"

>>19078617
>We were kind of deciding on what Kronii Milk is.
I suggest we do multiple reasonings. Present it from an outsider's point of view
>official government and religious origin
it's Kronii's breast milk, transubstantiated from cow's milk (like Christ's flesh and blood from bread and wine) through intricate rituals
>ancestral Takeshi tradition
Breast milk of women who ingest a special root from the island
>theories from other civilizations
It's a hallucinogenic performance enhancing drug, but /nasa/ can't quite understand it

>you fucking swine, how dare you imply that Lady Kroni's ribbon is inferior to that wretched serpent pet of hers

>Hold your tongue heathen! Lord Boros is Lady Kronii's beloved companion! an insult to him is an insult to her!

Regarding the civil war and the /ourobros/ situation. I don't want to give them a part of the island, no one does, but I suggest we do have zealous separatists sometimes escape from Schizotraz in the north and take over the an outpost elsewhere, requiring swift retribution.

If you're worried about giving the schizo recognition as a threat, we could portray his faction as jobbers who get wipes out easily when we pay attention.

>"Private! Why did you do that!?"
>"He said 'potential', sir."

>>19078991
>I know, private. I'm asking why you took so long.

>>19078697
Someone wrote lore about a plant found only on our island called Snake Fang I think it was? There was a weird part with a ritual orgy and everyone fapping to it. The thread was bumped off when we were discussing whether we like it.

>>19078945
It's one schizo in a dingy (in disrepair) claiming he's founding an island

>>19078759
This is a good idea. Having multiple theories/perspectives for one specific thing is always quite fun.

I miss Kronii...
I want to hear her voice and see her face again...

>>19079101
Kek we should do this

I know this is probably a dumb question but
Did she tweet that because she is legit gonna be busy or did the whole drama thing affected her?

I am sure is probably the first thing but my mind went to the latter due to how everyone was tweeting a break around that time.

>>19079046
oh right. I don't mind the idea of it being from a plant (though one could argue about that touching more into fauna's territory) I also don't mind the idea of women of faith being able to consume it. it's the orgy thing I'm not overly fond of. It just seem like someone wanted a cuckold plot in the lore you know what I mean?

>>19079174
Former but it could be both

>>19079101
Zealot pirates...

*BOOM* *BOOM*
*CREEEEAK*
>"DO YOU LIKE FUTA WITH OR WITHOUT BALLS?"

>>19079101
every time he goes out in the dingy he gets shot down by the coast guard turrets, but somehow the mad man finds a way to wash up shore

Do you guys talk about kronii here or just fucking each other on some fantasy fag island?

>>19079187
Nta but agreed. It was weird to me. I much prefer the horny aspect of our culture being a sort of humorous thing like the Kriegerpostijg in this thread

>>19079346
There's no activity to discuss

>>19079261
>sir...there's something wrong with the army of infinity...they came at me in a battle tank and merely asked whether I liked futas with or without balls sir...
>...did you answer?
>i had to sir, they said had i not given them an answer they would have, and i quote "rape corrected" me.
>those infinity fucks are playing hard ball I see...

Would Kronii wear armor?

*TSSSHHK* *TSSSHHK*
>"I want to stuff my face in Kronii's stinky bush like you wouldn't believe."

>>19079303
Can you stop fucking picking fights in /vtwbg/ already, you fuck? I'm trying to keep things cooperative and collaborative there so we can get some lore infinity can agree on. You're not fucking helping.

>>19079461
As Kronii's one and only boyfriend, I make her wear titanfall pilot cosplay each time we have sex

>>19079187
Yeah I'm iffy on the orgy part. I don't mind the horny stuff being part of our culture and lore but I kind of prefer it to be less outlandish or jokingly done.

Kronii went on a break again? Damn, I didnt even notice

>>19079136
I miss Kronii too. I hope for twitterspace but I guess it probably won't happen.

>russia gets fired
>kronii sees an opportunity and takes it
Why is she so based?

>>19079346
Since I'm here for Kronii, I actually do talk about Kronii. But building our fictional island is also fun!

>>19079419
That was a sapling falseflagger I'm sure of it

Just realized she didn’t even like or retweet any art or memes…

>Not even a guerilla week but straight up a break

>>19079773
Kronii lied... again...

>>19079543
Tell them to stop picking fights with us.

>>19079907
are we being turned into ayamefags?
>break due to broken PC
>break due to moving
>break due to no internet

>>19079907
No... she didn't intend to lie... it's just things didn't go according to her plan...

>>19079907
She didn’t mean too lie. Something must of came up and messed up her plans… I believe her

>>19079979
>OG potentialschizo was right
not like this...

>>19079979
If she went an entire month and only streamed once, then we still will not be Ayamefags.

He's at it again

>>19079960
They aren't and haven't since Neufag left. Only Neufag was giving us grief, and he left, so calm down. We got what we want and there is a neutral timeline that explains what happened.

>>19080116
yeah, with me

>>19080116
Who?

>>19080180
>>19080116
I don't think there's any reasoning with that guy. He's prob just bored and is thus shitting up threads making it harder for you guys

>>19080116
Stop responding to him. You already know he can't be reasoned with, just let him be a passive aggressive little shit.

>>19080180
If they weren't shitposting they'd just ignore it, they aren't even saying what work they've done which only points to them being there to shit things up and blame us.

>>19080253
>he
wait you guys thought me that I was that jesse guy? >>19079979
I saw another post on another thread that mentioned that kronies are ayamefags and just asked if we are being turned into like them?

Archivebud is mad...

>>19080343
Any time someone goes on an extended break regardless of circumstances, they'll be compared to Ayame. It's just how it is.

>>19080343

>>19080116 isn't about you, it's about what's going on in /vtwbg/

>>19080343
No theres another guy in the worldbuilding thread shitting up the thread and we're all pissed because it makes us look bad by association.

>>19080335
I'm not as invested as the others in this one but seriously fuck off, you're just trying to start up shit for no reason and making the entire endeavor less fun for everyone involved in it

>>19080018
>Something must of came up

It's "must have" not "must of" retard.

>>19080444
Hopefully the people there know its only one guy and wont get pissed at the entity of the population

>>19080444
It takes two to tango, stop responding to him.

>>19079979
Why do they all use the same recycled excuses?

>>19080449
You'd have gotten rolled over by the tripfag if it wasn't for Kronies like me. I remember the first response to the tripfag fucking us over was to actually treat his actions in good faith before it was called out.

>>19080563
h-haha...yeah. not like that has ever happened before...

>>19080630
Because it's all true? I'm in the middle of moving now, Kronii is tech illiterate so it's believable she can't use hers, and sometimes internet is crap.

anyone other femanons here like kronii's fat fucking tits and want to bury their face so deep inside her brapper you can see her dental cavities on the other side?

>>19080878
>femkronies
>>>/x/

>>19080635
For a quick history lesson, this was the first response to it.
>>18896603
Thank god people just ignored the poll and rejected it outright.

>>19080635
I believe the tripfag was in the wrong but you're just making things worse. What's done is done and we have our island. You may find those who resent us for what happened annoying but you're not helping.

>>19080635
No, the lorefag already was handling it like an adult. You went and made things worse. We would've gotten what we wanted either way but you also had to turn off half the thread from us.

>>19080947
Dude, just fucking stop. His posts are literally structured to make you respond, and you do, every single time. It is bait, it's never anything more than bait, his whole objective is to get (You) to help him shit up the thread by killing any actual discussion. Stop convincing yourself you can reason with him, stop thinking you have a duty to defend /infinity/ in the eyes of the board, you are doing more harm than good by letting yourself get drawn into fueling a several hour long timeloop about an event that everybody else has already moved past. Just stop.

Its all some tiresome...

>>19081175
>Handling it like an adult
His first reaction was total capitulation, we got what we wanted only because we fought back and refused to compromise.

>>19081198
Hm? I was replying to the guy who also told me to stop, and I did

>>19081328
so* damn typos

I guess many of the anons here are newfags based on the amount of bait you guys bite into

>>19081365
Here was his response. That's not capitulation but negotiation for what we wanted. And in the post you actually linked >>18896603, he said he was discussing get us back in the northeast sea.

>>19081401
Yes you did stop, for today, but tomorrow he will come around again, post the same bait, and you will be compelled to respond as you have for days now. Don't. Break the cycle.

>>19081480
Unfortunately, one of the reasons we attract so many schizos is that we give out the easiest (You)s on /vt/. Slut kronies will give (You)s to anyone.

>>19081588
no, we just happen to be very charitable with (you)'s. also here's (you)rs as part of the (you) welfare program.

>>19081515
I'm responding to him not because I think he'll change his mind but because other threads are watching. I know you said not to defend us in the eyes of the other threads but if I don't, what will contributors see if not our thread ruining there's? I'm really invested in this, man ...

>>19081588
I think it's always the same people too. The thread's usually around 50 or so and we have the same five or so retards giving (you)s every fucking time while the remaining 40 are ignoring the bait

>have fun
>fun is ruined
>angry
>sad
>repeat
kronii please I don't like this timeloop

There is little to no discussion about Kronii or her streams in this thread. Please discuss Kronii or exit the thread.

>>19081683
>but if I don't, what will contributors see
That attitude is precisely why you're so easy to bait. What they're seeing now is a timeloop that has been going on for days instead of what they should be seeing, one cocksucking faggot schizo seething over something that has been sorted out and everybody has moved past, like some snippy brat throwing a tantrum over not getting her way. Just let the timeloop die.

Kronies I might be falling for the en TL-ponkotsu in that Dramafag's channel....

>Kroniitoplis...home...

>>19082051
do you fags fall for everyone with a female voice?

Kronii.

Anyway, I've been watching this thread for a bit while it was discussing the lore and stuff. ngl they were fun stuff before shit hits the fan as per tradition. Will continue watching this unfold from a distance.

>>19082092
Sex!

>>19082051
You should die soon.

from /vtwbg/
>Calling out all envoys to expand upon your citizens' manner of dress: What does the average Joe wear on the daily? Any formal dress impacted by tradition/culture? Fashion being split by class or regional differences? Climate or other fantastical wackery making certain attire a necessity? Paint us a clearer picture of who you'll see walking through the streets!
Thoughts, Kronies?

>>19081509
Yet the poll only contained the two islands the tripfag was trying to force us on. It lacked a very important option 'No'
And with how lorefag was phrasing it like we might accept the 'compromise', after all the other compromises we already committed too and the island was already agreed too.
Let's face facts, there was a very good chance if /∞/ didn't clap back hard, we'd not only be stuck in the west, but have a much smaller island.

We should include that in our lore that /∞/ is sticklers for the treaties and contracts we sign, and if someone violates it or tries to cheat us, we wage total war against them.

>>19081976
Okay. Thank you for talking sense to me, Kronie.

>>19082144
Clothes that are easy to remove...

>>19082219
Oh boy my patience is immediately tested.

Love kronii but her respective threads are easily top 3 for the worst HoloEN
You fuckers are a bunch of weirdo off-topic, ever-speculation on bullshit banal posters
Just post her fat tits or be funny

>>19082283
Don't.

Love kronii but her respective threads are easily top 3 for the worst HoloEN
You fuckers are a bunch of weirdo off-topic, ever-speculation on bullshit banal posters
Just post her fat tits or be funny

>>19082222
>every time a kronie starts to get horny

>>19082144
I'd suggest maid and butler uniforms. Not determined by gender but by sexual dominance. This is of course civilian wear, I quite like the Krieger-like military uniform from this thread and last.

>>19082285

>>19082285
>>19082345
You did not need to post this twice. Please do not spam. Please exit the thread immediately.

>>19082144
probably more fancy wear in the colder climates, but something more skimpy and outlandish in the warmer climates (like women wearing bikini tops and short shorts, and guys wearing something with bear middrift). sort of as a reference to her og outfit and her kimono.

>>19082406
Naturally, our military uniforms must also bear a resemblance to maid and butler outfits.

Nekoronii love?

>>19082414
saving the bread one toast at a time

>>19082501
OLEV

>>19082144
I'd say it depends on where the kronie is from or working. A priest would be in their blue robes. A worker would probably be wearing some clothes good for long hours of labor. Some old trousers, a jacket and some boots and a flat cap. A white undershirt that inevitably gets dirty and a scarf his wife knitted him for the cold weather. Maybe a bowtie too if he's feeling extra fancy. Nothing too fashionable but it gets the job done and there's no point in getting dirt on your nice clothes.

>>19082285
Sneed

>>19082501
ALL KRONIIS LOVE

>>19082501
Love!

>>19082144
We should be dressed in an aesthetic like the engineers, or the workers from frostpunk.

>>19082192
I'm going to try the honey approach.

I like the idea that we honor agreements above all else and declare war on anyone who breaks any agreement we make.

It would make it so that we do not have to worry about countries trying to backstab as much because the everyone knows the risks of doing that.

>>19082501
What about Inuronii? Or Kasumironii

>>19082833
Be less chuuni about it. Make the response to treaty violations more varied than just an instant war declaration.

I hurt myself today
To see if I still feel
I focus on the pain
The only thing that's real
The needle tears a hole
The old familiar sting
Try to kill it all away
But I remember everything

What have I become
My sweetest friend
Everyone I know goes away
In the end

>>19082913
>instant war declaration.
have you seen what happened between the kronies and miofas at yubicraft?

>>19083110
No, but threadwise we don't raid threads on a whim, we usually only shitpost those who come to us

>>19083209
I say we be very defensive like that. No offensive excursions to other nations. Maybe instead we're just quick to condemn and cut ties with others over diplomatic toe stepping.

>>19083317
>Kronies declare war
>But because we job, we never invade anyone
>"Let them come!"
>No one comes
>Loneliness

>>19083411
>invasion doko...

>>19083617
>THEY HATE US

>>19082833
Thank you being reasonable.

>>19082913
Fair criticism. How about the follow examples.
>Situations like what what the tripfag did where they completely break a treaty results in declaration of war.
>Treaty violations ends with sanctions or restrictions on the guilty country depending on the severity of the violation.

>>19083317
>>19083209
I agree with this. The only reason we went all out against the tripfag was because he was aggressively coming after us. If it were just incompetence and not malice, things would have probably been different. We are an isolationist country and only respond to threats.

What if the real hollywood actor ryan gosling lurked in this thread

>>19083763
I feel like treaty breaking should still be treated with sanctions and complete end of diplomatic ties. Never outright war. The reason I feel this way is because logistically we have high tech but a low population and limited resources of our own, meaning we're better suited to defending our territory instead of sending an army to another one.

>>19083411
>Because we Job
Mental image of a kronie attempting to fire an RPG backwards

>>19083110
What happened

>>19083887
Gosling is /here/
I belieb

>>19083109
I wonder if she knows that song by heart.

>>19083957
check the book stand at new london, should explain what the treaty is for

>>19083956
I'd like if we were more of joke characters instead of super serious badasses. The shit with the armor-clad super soldiers gayposting earlier is an example of this, as well as the idea of us jobbing at combat despite our tech.

>>19084011
she should sing it

>>19083411
Gentlemen, it has often been said that I like Kronii.

Gentlemen, I like Kronii...

No, gentlemen, I love Kronii!

I love this Hololiver. I love the bunkaronii. I love the defensive lines she puts up.

I love how she has sieged upon my heart, charged me with new energy, helped me mop-up past operations, and retreated from old behavior.

Kronii on the computer, on your phone, on your TV, on your refrigerator, I love every platform I can view Kronii through upon this earth.

I love blasting my speakers to smithereens with audio salvos of her voice that thunder across the edges of my room.

My heart leaps with joy whenever she figures out a game mechanic and she makes a gleeful noise upon realization. And there is nothing like a Londoner being tossed high into the air and cut to pieces by well-placed horny posts. And there is nothing like a Takeshi using SEEEEEEEX to destroy idiot doxxers. And the feeling that comes when a Londoner runs screaming from his blazing bait, only to be mowed down by heavy machine cum fire, is such an exquisite feeling. Like when ranks of Kromies brandish their “bayonets” rushing into the enemy line. It moves me deep within my heart to watch a fresh recruit thrusting and cumming over and over onto the defeated face of a long-dead enemy.

The sight of Londoners being strung up from a street lamp is an irresistible pleasure. And there is nothing more arousing than us prisoners of Kronii dropping like flies, screaming in agony and joy as she sings to us in a sultry Korean voice!

When a band of pitiful trolls makes their final stand with nothing but bad bait, only to have their posts smashed to atoms line by line from 4.8 Gosling posts, I'm in ecstasy.

Gentlemen... All I ask for is Kronii, Kronii so grand as to make Yagoo himself tremble. Gentlemen, I ask you as fellow brothers in arms what is it that you really want? Do you wish for more Kronii as I do? Do you wish for more live-broadcasts of Minecraft from Kronii? A Kronii whose charm is built with love and self-depreciating humor and bad puns? Do you ask for Kronii to sweep in like a broom, because as I mentioned a moment ago she enjoys bad puns?
>(The soldiers begin shouting/chanting "KRONII" meaning "Kronii")

...Very well. Then Kronii is what you shall have. We are a rockhard member, ready to explode all who oppose us with our mighty cum.

But... After enduring over a month wallowing in the darkness, for us, a simple "ordinary" Kronii will no longer be sufficient.

We need a MASSIVE Kronii! A Kronii beyond any other that man's history has ever known!

We are but a single battalion... The most dedicated of the followers of the Clock. However, I believe that each of you old Kronies is equal to a thousand of their sickly soft YTchat idiots! We represent a force that could outsex an army of a million and one men!

It is time for them to awake the ones who sent us screaming into oblivion, and who now lie sleeping. Let's drag out the Eurobros because of her awful scheduling for them, and remind them of what we are! We will remind them of what it feels like to love an oshi. We will remind them of the sound our voices make against when we “release”.

We will remind them that there are more things between PPT and TMT than are dreamt of in their philosophy.

Our Kroniigruppe of one thousand sexvampires is going to burn this world down to ash.

Yes, my friends! Soon, Youtube's charred remains will illuminate the night sky!

I have brought you all back just as I promised I would. Back to our favorite oshi. Back to our beloved Kronii!

...At last, the Nenelion has crossed the ocean and is heading up the hill. Attention, all soldiers of the Clock Battalion! This is a message from your commander.

Gentlemen... Kro-ni-chi-wa~.

>>19083109
Why are Kronies so menhera

>>19084327
Ha! I got it.

>>19084347
bruh just listen to Johnny Cash.

>>19083929
Lore wise we did declare war on the tripfag who tried to pull a fast one on us and tear up the treaty we had. But he would have represented an organization not a country. Still the point was made.
Furthermore, we do have established lore that other splits fear us, so we can use that fear to keep those splits to honor our treaties, otherwise they risk us going full schizo on them.

>>19079046
>>19079187
>>19079350
>>19079574
Hi I'm the one that wrote about the Kronii Milk. I do agree the whole orgy thing is a bit too ridiculous so I decided to scrap it.
What do you think about this:
>Kronii Milk is a narcotic that hightens the senses and perception of the consumer, as well as their stamina. It can also provoke religious-like hallucinations about one's oshi. Kronii Milk has the sude effect of increasing the libido too and if consumed in excess, it can turn the consumer into a sex-crazed schizo.

And from its origin I want to keep this:
>There's a plant native to /infinity/ called the Snake Fang. The tradition says it is a gift from Kronii herself. Among the young teenage kronie girls between the ages of 14-15, the ones with the biggest breasts are chosen to become novices. These novice priestesses train their minds and their bodies to be able to consume the Snake Fang. The plant has the effect to induce the production of breast milk. The breasts of these young priestesses are stimulated to grow bigger and thus produce more breastmilk. The breastmilk obtained from the priestesses is the prime matter for the Kronii Milk.

Someone mentioned about changing the age of the novices but I think this age is fine, 14-15 is just the age when they start, there are older priestesses of all ages.

>>19084327
tldr

Now I know I'm being used
That's okay man 'cause I like the abuse
Now I know she's playing with me
That's okay 'cause I've got no self-esteem
KRONII LOVE

>>19084659
We didn't really declare war so much as a few schizos lunge at him in the middle of the diplomatic hearings while the actual Kronie diplomats tried to pull them away.
>so we can use that fear to keep those splits to honor our treaties, otherwise they risk us going full schizo on them.
I don't really feel this, desu. Other splits fear *going* to our thread. No one's afraid of *us* going to their thread. So if you want our schizophrenia to be a factor, it'd be a factor in others not wanting to try to invade us, not the other way around

>>19084761
>religious grooming and narcotic abuse
now we just need an ayahuasca shaman ritual

For a military march we could just do "Chanson de l'oignon" but replace onion with kronii milk

>>19084761
this is an alright middle ground in my book anyways

>>19084761
Sounds good to me!

>>19085047
I'm more partial to the Garlean national anthem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG2VW78xR_w

>>19084923
I'd argue that once it was clear diplomacy broke down because he was just going to keep asking for concession, we sent in elite shock troop of schizos to deal with him and resolve the sitution. And you have to admit, the situation did get resolved finally. The only thing people are fighting about now about historical revisionism.

Also, I do see your point, but while they fear going to our split wouldn't that mean they'd fear us coming to their split more? In terms of foreign policy, we could invoke the Madman Theory where other splits don't provoke us specifically because they don't know what sort of response they'd illicit.

>>19084923
Other splits see our schizos and determine that any resources we might have aren't worth the headache that comes from dealing with them, making them an effective deterrent.

>>19085480
I can't believe the KGB killed a tripfag...

As always let's put it to a poll.

http://poal.me/swgy5o
http://poal.me/swgy5o
http://poal.me/swgy5o

What do you guys want out military focus to be?

>>19085669
should this even be a question? based on this thread's interactions with other generals we're hardly invasive. one international incident with a tripfag and people think you're bent on world domination!

>>19085669
I like defensive but we should still have a naval force of our own. Like I have said many times, we can't just rely on /meat/ as our sole fleet.

>>19085864
Oh yes, of course. But the "focus on naval" is just because we'd need a HUGE naval force to be warmongers given our island location. Compared to staying defensive, where we'd need just enough to protect ourselves.

>>19085930
Aye, I agree to that.

AIIIIIIEEEEEEEE

why is Kronii becoming the next Sana? this bitch never streams
at least the other council members enjoy their job

>>19085998
Go back to sleep dork

>>19085669
>>19085763
>>19085864
I should clarify what I'm saying about treaty violations, we only go to war against major violations, and this creates the reputation that other splits don't know what our response will be in retaliation, ala the Madman Theory. So they honor our treaties and don't act as aggressors to us.
We're by nature a defensive country.

>>19086077
Ok

Sex doko?

Denizen here, back from the doc so now i can focus on doing the military outfits. Since we got that cleared up and read that we are also deciding on common wear, do we have a consensus or agreement on that regard?

>>19086277
I think it would vary between the climates, right?

>>19086375
Trenchcoat with nothing under it

>>19086277
Our normal, light infantry have cloth/leather outfits with may armor knee, elbow and shoulder pads.
>>19077197
>>19073515

Heavy infinity use more metal plates
>>19077237
>>19077881

>>19086375
Also this. The norther island use more winter outfits like we saw in the frostpunk fanart.

>>19086277
Common attire appears to be industrial era appropriate clothes for workers, maid and butler uniforms and Victorian attire for formal occasions as well. I'd say blue ribbons and heart pins would be used often since Kronie likes her fanbase mascot to have them. Our military would wear Krieger-like uniforms from WH40K, but probably toned down to lower tech. The enforcers in the north would wear thick fur coats with their uniforms.

>>19086484
But I always wear my Drive jacket under my Bladerunner trenchcoat....

Is infinity civ-type Babylon? Ahead in tech, degenerate to outsiders, feared and often disliked but begrudgingly respected…also blue?

Who's the ukraine to our Russia?

>>19086565
>>19086484
Go away Ame.

WTF
Wada mama liked a Gabe tweet

>>19086647
Tower of Babel...

>>19086832
Don't care about twitter drama, fuck off.

>>19086832
>ISRAEL

>>19086832
This week just keeps getting weirder and weirder now I feel weird that I got a like from pako before I got a like from Wada-mama.

>>19086847
Giant of Babil

>>19086832
Good god...

Tourist sapling wishing the kroniis well, must be tough when your ohsi hardly streams

>>19086832
rrat: she was stalking park and liked stuff he liked.

>>19086832
Why can't you faggots just shut the fuck up about this? Ignorance is bliss.
The tweet doesn't even make sense and he stole someone elses' art.

>>19087135
It's fine, right now I'm watching a VOD of your oshi watching my other oshi be scared

>>19087135
Must be tough when your oshi is a two faced backstabbing bitch from before Hololive and does yandere GFE while having a boyfriend. Guess it's a green Holo thing.

It wasn't even tagged to anything Kronii, WTF.

>>19087135
Thanks, Fauna is cute!

>>19087140
She probably saw cute art of her daughter and didn't think much past that, can't expect people outside of here to know who is and isn't a desirable.

>>19086649
Your ass

>>19087140
Judging by the time stamp, I guess its talking about Gabe being impersonated by Jesse?

>>19087216
Eat shit Jesse.

>>19087232
but
>>19087217

>>19087216
my reply wasn't meant to upset you, and i hope you realise most adult women have a boyfriend
>>19087214
that was a fuckin great stream. enjoy it
>>19087221
you're welcome, kronii cute!

>>19086832
what tweet?

>Wada follows Park
>Park constantly likes anything from everyone and gave Gabe a like
>Wada saw that
>Wada gave it a like

>>19087323
Park likes probably pops out in wada's TL

>>19087135
Thank you sapling, I love you and your oshi too. Send my regards to /uuu/, I am fond of them even if their celibacy makes me sad, and my apologies for being so lustful for Fauna. Not stopping though. The Kirin is too cute.
>>19087216
Must be tough sucking cocks all day, do you want some help?

>>19087286
>go to other split and make fun of them for their oshi going on break because she has no PC and is busy
>when their oshi is taking dick and rolling in GFE money
Stones in glass houses. He shouldn't have said shit.

>>19087331
Don't pay attention to that rudeposter. He is a schizo obssessed with ruining our relations with other threads.

>>19087331
>my reply wasn't meant to upset you,
"Must be tough when your oshi doesn't stream" fuck off. We know why you're here.

>>19087415
No that sapling just worded it like shit, but most people unlike you can understand basic human interaction I think

>>19087415
Anon, if you knew a single thing about /uuu/, you'd know they also go through oshi withdrawal like us. They even have a website.

https://imissfauna.com/

>>19087398
we don't lewd her because she's too wholesome for most of us, desu most council members are too wholesome to nut over

>>19087561
>most council members are too wholesome to nut over
I will have to disagree on that one, the brrat is SEX

>>19087509
>Anon, if you knew a single thing about /uuu/
Why the fuck would I go to that whore's thread? And if they know what it's like then even moreso he shouldn't be making fun of us for the same thing.

>>19087643
He's not making fun of us, you paranoid schizo

one day you'll stop giving him (You)s

>>19087482
my oshi ain't streaming either pal. been radio silence for days, its called being one in the same
>>19087415
fauna isn't gfe, do reps. there's like a single gfe vod on the channel

>>19087643
If you want to act like a tribalnigger then go back to global. Retard.

>>19087561
Enjoy this sapling

>Banned
Kek

>>19087713
MY OSHI HAS BEEN MORE RADIO SILENT THAT YOUR OSHI

>it wasn't a new IP

it's the exact same typing style every single time and yet you keep giving him attention
and once again he'll ban evade and we're going to repeat
again

>>19087713
We got an awful timing with the Rushia fiasco. EN management must be doing something if almost everyone cancelled streams

>>19087561
Cute pure sapling. But I respect your purity and hence keep my horny Fauna fics here. Pls undastan I like and enjoy her content but also want to be vigorously fucked by her

>>19087803
B-But the welfare program!!!!!

>>19087840
and that same welfare program ended up with him fucking impersonating sekkusu and name
and now name will probably stop posting like how she usually does

>>19087754
kronii has a fuckin S tier design
>>19087838
I would also like that vicious fucking but I like her content enough to not watch for the lust, after all

Actually the welfare program should be part of our lore, I think. Part of the schizo correction program to help put the minor cases back on their feet? Though if it doesn't work they should've be carted off to Schizotraz, but since the crazy house is at full capacity for some time now people have been giving welfare to dangerous nutjobs.

>>19087886
Schizos have come and gone. He will fuck off eventually, just give it time.

>>19087945
DYRBI? He's been ban evading for weeks now

>>19088050
this has been happening for months

>>19088050
That will end up in a rangeban. Kronii wills it.

>>19088050
this the same guy who got mad over the sapling replies?

>>19088083
Not the same antagonist tho

>>19088120
It appears to be that case

Kronies are suffering today but I still think they are cute...

>>19088334

>>19088334
Im gonna smooch you to death...

>>19088334

>>19088469
>>19088334
Deep kisses with a kronie might lead to something lewd though…who knows where my tongue might end up? *chu*

>>19088089
>range ban for a single thread
Kronies do you really think that will happen?

Kronii...

>>19089255
I miss her so much...

Theres going to be a twitter space this week...right?

>>19089311
You can always hope for it but don't expect it

>>19089311
No! No streams, no spaces, no tweets. Take care, anon! :)

>>19089380
>>19089416
I HATE HER AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>19089416
I still love her... she can abuse me emotionally as much as she wants I'll still come crawling back to her...

>>19089380
Yeah, if it happens it's a pleasant surprise, but I imagine she wouldn't pull that card on us unless she absolutely thinks she'll be able to do a space without any sort of outside interruption.

>>19089535
Definitely, I feel like she would've said so in the tweet if she were able to
Obviously I'll still hope for it but I won't be upset if she straight up takes a full break

>>19089511
https://youtu.be/EtLtZoCwquw

>>19089535
I doubt she'll do a space. Whatever hinders her to stream this week, although she seemed certain she would be able to, probably will not make it possible for her to do a space.

morning, I see I missed maxed out map autism

Why are we giving her the benefit of the doubt and aren't assuming she LIED

>>19089930
You haven't really missed it tho, there's still a lot of lorefagging left to do

>>19089978
Shut up Gabe

>>19089978
Because she loves us.

>>19089997
yeah, this will probably go on for quite a while, unfortunately my autism is not lore/map related so I'll just watch and post Kroniis

>>19078115
Smart clock, locking herself in the bunkeronii until the shit stops hitting the fan. Kronini love.

I know this wouldn't be practical for multiple reasons (airships, electricity, size.)
But it would be pretty cool to have ships come to dock at /∞/ and this the sight they see on the horizon as they approach.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t79Tn5vf-zQ

>>19090075
Come on, I know you want to participate. What's your idea?

>>19089657
She should just finally tell me that she hates me and set me free... but she loves playing with my heart.

>>19090139
I'm a resource collection and factory fag though...

>>19085998
>>19086112
Oh, I missed telling Kronii to go to sleep, damn.

You don't think Kronii is sending dms to fans right? She's too paranoid for that

>>19090222
That's just what we need

>>19090259
You didn't get any? Sorry to tell you but she must hate you then...

>>19090259
She sent me her nudes on twitter tho

>>19090358
How muscular are her abs anon?

>>19090358
Oh so you also got the bush close-ups? Pretty great stuff

>>19089978
Hanlon's razor, anon.

We love our oshi and can acknowledge she's had a bad streak of luck this past month which has lead to a number of instances of jobbing, plus she's pretty low energy so it likely isn't in her nature to build up a network of lies because that shit would be too mentally taxing for her.

>>19090122
How much will light pollution be a problem for /∞/ cities when we discover electricity?

>>19090410
You could wash your clothes on them

>>19090477
The lights stay OFF during sex!

>>19090546
so all the time?

>>19090546
Too bad.

>>19090580
Yes.

>>19090546
hook up all power in the country to a central kill switch that is turned off when it is declared sex time

>>19090486
I've the weirdest boner right now.

>>19090605
>country is known for never having a power outage

>>19078115
I wish I can do this when my boss fired some co-worker from other department

>>19090899
watch streams

>>19090900
Boobies

>>19090969
Maybe next week!

>>19090969
I'm feeling stream withdrawal anon, what should I do?

>>19091073
Kronii has the best ones!

Kronii paizuri...

Should i post fanart this week?

>>19091115
Stroke your clock to Kronii lewds, dummy

>>19090899
She was traveling this week even before the Rushia shit happened and given her track record lately getting a stream on the road was a dubious proposition at best, and it sounds like EN Management in general told Council to back off from streaming in the short term.

It sucks, but it kinda sucks for everyone right now.

>>19091187
You might not get an rt or a like if you do
Maybe wait and see if she at least shows up on twitter before posting

>>19091114
>>19091115
cry while writing fanfiction like I do obviously

This sucks because she was very excited about wanting to do more watchalongs...

I still have two old Kronii vods to catch up on, but every time I try watching them I feel sad...

>>19091403
just don't be sad

>>19091624
Kronii: “I didn't raise weaklings”

kronii indifference.

They should terminate Kronii.
It would solve all my problem from health to money

>>19084960
>>19085121
>>19085304
Should I post this updated entry in /vtwbg/ now?

>>19091831
You should terminate yourself.

>>19092264
seems good to me

>>19092362
Ok

Kronii love!

My beloved clock!

Violence towards Kronii.

kissing with Kronii!

/vtwbg/ raised concerns over what the presence of steam powered boats could do to the economy, and a couple of solutions were offered. One of them is that the idea of steam powered boats never occurs to us because steel and coal are in short supply and we don't travel much, or because >we are dumbronies. Thoughts?

>>19092806
That's bullshit. If they don't want steam engines to keep the game balances that's fine but not because we are >dumbronies.

>>19092903
I was the one who suggested it's because >we are dumb, and the one who suggested the idea of them doesn't occur to us. The KFP suggested it was because it'd be seen as a waste because of our isolationism, so can I assume the thread would be happier with the KFP's take?

>>19092806
Much like 1800s Japan, the other splits should fear when they see the blue boats of /infinity/ on the horizon and Clockadore Perry shouting from the aft side of the lead boat "OPEN UP AND SHOW US YOUR PORN."

>>19093010
>"Show us... Your porn. Stop having it... Be hidden."

>>19092988
I just want my defense fleet, whether they are steam boats or not.

This game is getting a little complicated for me man

>cuckold orgy
The fuck did I missed?

>>19093086
It's most likely that we'll have to give up the steam boats, their mere presence breaks things for everyone, so it's not worth fighting about, and it doesn't matter anyway since we're isolationist and not going anywhere fast. The clingyronies would cry if they knew R&D were working on ways to leave the island faster.

>>19093275
Not canon so it doesn't matter

>>19093054

>>19093086
Just say we have a steam fleet used to stop shit like Perry from happening and if we travel out we just use the travel normal ships of the era.
Say maintenance makes having the steam ships travel long distances prohibitive.

>>19093086
Just say we have a steam fleet used to stop shit like Perry from happening and if we travel out to the world to trade, say we just use the normal mast ships of the era.
As for why the steam ships are stuck at port, just say maintenance makes having them travel out to sea and long distances prohibitive.

what if kronii hissed at you

>>19093516
That still breaks things, you can't just have a vastly superior means of travel laying around and not expect anyone to try to reproduce it. They don't need to steal one, just knowing it exists is proof of concept.

We should have gone with the magic technology first and the used regular steam power as the compromised to make it look like we were giving concessions. We fucked ourselves over worse than Obama.

>>19093620
I'd spray her with water

>>19093712
Magic is not at all thematic to our thread, and once again, the idea of this is that our nation should reflect our thread. I don't know why I have to keep reminding you of this.

>>19093794
The whole point is to start from a position where we ask for way too much with the intention of giving up what we never intended on getting in order to get what they would see as unreasonable if we just started from there originally. This is a basic deal making tactic.

>>19092806
Naval fag here.
Steam powered by woods.
But Ironclads will be like top tier naval units with downside is they can't work offshore or go pass ocean. But we can assemble ironclads if we take a foothold in mainland.
We can fight with ships of the line. Please check if there are icebreaker ships in other countries

>>19093716
She will cry.

>>19093895
It's also underhanded and unfair to everyone else. We WILL play fair and you WILL like it.

What would you do if you had a nekoronii?

>>19093922
Everyone else outside of /nasa/ and maybe /who/ are renaissance level. I don't think you quite understand how big the technological gap between us is. It's four whole centuries worth.

>>19093979
>Basic deal making tactics is underhanded
This weak mindset causes us all to job.

>>19094104
Rape it.

>>19093922
>with downside is they can't work offshore or go pass ocean.
Where the hell can it operate then if it doesn't work off the coast or ocean?

>>19094104
Consensual cuddling and handholding!

>>19094151

>>19094113
And? Navalfag found he perfect nerf to balance them, we get ironclads, and because of how they're designed, they can only be used defensively.
We can't dominate the world if our super fleet sinks the moment it reaches open ocean.

>>19094104
Abandon her out in the rain in a box.

Since it's been 6 months, recount some of your favorite Kronii moments.

>Fall Guys stream
>"YOU'RE GAMING KRONII, YOU'RE REALLY GAMI-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"

>>19094263
NTA but that sounds bordeline useless. In that case we should just have regular wooden ships.

>>19094280

>>19094263
Again, the mere presence of a steam powered boat is a proof of concept from which it can be reproduced by someone else. It wrecks things economically for everyone unless they all adopt it, and they all want a general renaissance level. Come on, even /nasa/ gave up their literal spacer tech to fit in, we can give up steam powered boats.

>>19094177
Nearshore sea and rivers. They are ironclads not dreadnought. Most of their bodies are underwater so they can't withstand ocean waves.
We can reference the civil war naval battles.

>>19094342
That's why you have normal ships for trade. The Ironclads are effectively mobile fortresses of death for any invading fleet.

>>19094402
They can't steal it if the ironclad is restricted to staying near the coast like >>19094405 says.
And even if they do steal it, the moment they try and sail it home it'll just sink.

our Island should have helicopters too helicopters are cool

>>19094499
They don't need to steal one, they just need know it can be done.

>>19094263
This is what i mean.
We will use ships of the line to fight overshore, and when we capture a city, we can produce ironclads

>>19094280
Try this on the next thread, mapfags are still going at it

>>19094592
We're isolationist, we're not conquering anybody.

>>19094651
This.

>>19094651
I want to invade...

>>19094748
Invade a kronie's ass instead

>>19094651
The only thing we try to conquer is other Kronie's but everyone suffers from insta dom-loss and being a perma bottom so it never goes anywhere.

>>19094799
Sacred band of Kronii

>>19094651
>>19094710
If shit hits the fan we should be able to respond. You can't expect everyone to play nice and not try some shit. We need a functional navy.

>>19094899
And we can have one. They just can't be steam powered.

>>19094899
If shits hits the fan, we'd have a near invincible fleet protecting the mainland.

>>19094576
I know nuclear reactors exist, you really think I can build one?

>>19094924
I can compromise to that, we just need the others to agree

Did Ame update the Holomap before Ame at the A.M. was abandoned? If not, we should do one Kroniirades.

>>19094961
An individual couldn't, but a large group can come together, figure it out and build one. The chinese for example didn't steal the first guns, they saw them in action and reproduced them after assumptions based on what they saw and a process of trial and error.

>>19095045
The Chinese also invented gunpowder and started off with rockets and fireworks to begin with - muskets and arquebus being a later European thing that took time to diffuse to them. It’s honestly interesting that the people who invented it ended up behind

Ok so the ideas are:
We have ironclads, and other woods ship like ships of the line, frigates, etc.
Ironclads function as i said and they have ice breaker abilities.
We can send other ships to venture during warm weather. But they will be isolated and wither during winter. This will balance out the defensive capabilities of us by nerfing our offensive. Stay true to isolationist.

>>19095045
They already had practical applications with the fire lance and hand cannons. So they didn't start with anything.
There's also the question of would /∞/ leave any survivors if a battle broke out of their coast. No witnesses, no way to describe what they battled.

>>19095232
Because we already have lore that people come to infinity island to trade. You want to kill the merchants?

I just woke up to say
Sekkusu love!

>>19095357
He is probably talking about hostiles, not our trading buddies lmao

>>19095357
One, I'm talking about hostile forces. Two are you going to let the merchants have free reign to explore our military bases?

>>19095408
The point is that merchants would still see them at port, retard, and, once again, it's getting tiresome. Proof of concept.

>>19095481
And what about it? If anything they will feel safe knowing that pirates won't be causing trouble when trading with us.

>>19095481
We splitted trading port and naval port

Are we the UK?

>>19095535
>Oh, a steam powered ship? That could be pretty fast. Say, doesn't that stuff work by using steam pressure to generate mechanical energy? I will sell this information and make millions.
And just like that, now everyone has steam powered ships.

>>19095373
I love you too random kronie~
*chu*

We should be like Amsterdam and have the best red light district in vtwbg. After all, we're known for our ERP and R18 fic writers.

>>19095635
>random
Sekkusu doesn't remember who I am... guess I'll just cry in a corner...

>>19095481
Have you seen an ironclad? To the unobservant it's a floating metal building with smoke stakes.
And the entire thing is covered in metal where you can't even seen the interior. Being able to reverse engine off that is some real mary sue shit you're pushing.

>>19095634
There are more than that anon. Steel quality, calculated water replacement, weight of ammo, coal, ammo safety, repair party, etc

>>19095634
And what about it? You can't stop them from developing their own technology, even without us they would find a way. If we don't develop steampower other one will.

So what I take from this thread is that we all would like Kronii to play XCOM or another military TRPG.

>>19095757
Everyone would know infinity island uses steam powered technology, and it would be an easy guess to assume only that technology could move a ship like that, which it does. People aren't fucking stupid.

>>19095794
All of which can be figured out, because people aren't stupid, though thinking about it, that would go for everything we'd have.

Steam powered boats was a concern they raised, I'm just trying to accommodate them, since this is supposed to be fun for everyone, not a circlejerk for us.

Breadbaker are you ready?

>>19095898
>Everyone
Again with the mary sue shit, this isn't final fantasy blue magic where you witness something and you magically know how to build it yourself, let alone the entire world is on the same page. You're screaming into the wind with your concerns.

So... Kronii love?

>>19096020
Everyone would know we use steam technology, but ANYBODY could be smart enough to figure it out now that they know it's a thing. Don't you know how this shit works?

>>19096034
YES!!!! KRONII LOVE!!!!! I MISS HER!!!!

>>19096034
Maybe...

>>19095898
Ok consider my ideas like this>>19095218
Last thread, we talked about splitting the naval ports and trade ports and their aplocation
So during warm weather, we will only use woods ships to guard and ironclads is the last option.
During winter, most traders go home. And iron with icebreaker will guard our shore.
And 1 thing, there will be no survivor in a naval battle

>>19096145
I miss her.
Hope she's doing okay.

>>19096034
Always. Unless she does a Rushia.

>>19095731
Yanderonie...

>>19096134
>Everyone would know we use steam technology
Proof?
Also maybe they're using the less efficient version of the engine. Then we get back to your mary sue bullshit of that they can see it and magically know it works.
Or if you're really forcing our hand we work to improve our own fleet so when we find out they have their own ironclads, we deploy dreadnoughts to man handle them.
Your entire argument is 'they'll catch up so why bother?' and it's not very good argument.

>>19096321
You mean dm paypigs?

>>19096348
Uh, the merchants coming to trade. It's kind of hard to miss that kind of thing.