/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

LORE SCRAPS (NEED EXPANDING):
Micomet/Pekomiko: >>16981948
/vtsings/: >>16982525
/.../: >>16982630
/voms/: >>16982692
/become/: >>16983583
/ringo/: >>16983646
/towa/: >>16984836
Luknights: >>16998218
/yeah/: >>17178895
/nasa/: >>17705860 >>18139486
risu: >>17769431
rushia: >>17773117 >>18221894 >>18242592
watson: >>17083071
fetish lands: >>17201798 >>17225384
/asp/: >>17205063
/hag/, /uoh/: >>17217315
Resources: >>17044886

The land that was: >>17655643
Nuetralfag Doc: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iO5tK2PPSZjFTEE8fbIS8S6bE7af1F6zCGhMZU4oRkE/edit?usp=sharing

Lore proposals
>>17154357
>>17217671
>>17218134
>>17436688
>>17599615
>>17654314

Invitation Letter: >>17767181

>/svt/ request
>>18695373
>>18696693

>Neutral timeline of the /∞/ island situation
>>18925120

Anchor post for any additions to the map/lore. Please reply here for archival purposes.
If you will be using a rentry link, please use
>http://rentry.org/
instead of .co, as the latter is filtered as spam.
Thank you!
Please also report if there's outdated/duplicate lore in OP!

Okay, I'm getting on my PC. Will archive old lins in the OP to rentry and make a new OP using that.

Are Kronnies willing to barter some Kronni Milk for a log of wood?

>>19064274
What general are you from? We could use the lumber, I think

So did Rushia's land get nuked or what?

>>19064274
The kronie milk is difficult to produce, how much wood are we talking about?

>>19065161
>kronie milk
>kronie
Lewd

>>19064996
Read last thread. Cursed land

>>19065179
Tfw no Kronie concubine

>>19065997
Kronie milk straight from the tap...

>>19066091
My Kronie concubine priestess is pregnant with quadruplets. Milk wont stop pouring out of her tits
Free Kronii Milk!

>>19060792
fyi /meat/ also uses Nahuatl

>>19066224
This is blasphemy. That's normal breast milk if it isn't being treated and blessed by Infinity's clergy.

That's hot though

>>19067169
I've got some ideas for the origins of Kronii milk but they might be too autistic...

>>19067257
Run it by infinity then ask if you should submit it here after feedback

>>19065161
>>19064882
I'm from /yeah/, and this is about 1 ton of lumber from "Bunch of Forests" forest! How much Milk would that equate to?

>>19063338
Forgot to anchor the map of /yeah/ and it's surrounding areas

>>19067318
Ok

>>19067355
Sounds like a lot of milk! But some of us have issue with Nijis ever since a schizo has been using them to shitpost. I'll ask infinity first.

Tfw every chocolate in vt is made using /meat/ cocoa

>>19067355
How often do your trees regrow? Naturally or magically enhanced?

>>19067906
It regrows at a natural pace. We don't have any access to any magic fertilizers yet

>>19067355
Alright, most of us say yes to this trade! We'll send the first crate of Kronii Milk on the first of next week. Remember not to ingest too much if it. Side effects include extended periods of arousal, painful erections, dizziness, clingyness, menhera episodes, addiction, interest in namefags, and headaches. Do not mix with flammables.

>>19068380
Oh thanks for the warnings, will be shipping the lumber soon

>>19067257
Lemme guess.
It's this https://youtu.be/ISDjOO0JFEE
But with Kronie priestesses

Private island for the rabbit who requested it!

>>19069203
Jeffrey Epstein island for /pyon/!

>>19069203
it's a really touchy subject at the moment. i'm not sure if it is a good idea. maybe we should have another poll if we aren't going to have an arbitor, or at least a consistent one.

>>19069359
uoooohhhh!!!!

>>19069359
yeah kek

>>19069362
ah is it? sorry for bringing it up

>>19069203
There's already an island right next to you guys. You should go to /nina/ and barter with them for it.
Or go to war and try to take it over by force if you're so inclined

>kronies secured a contract with /meat/ privateers
The imagery of /meat/ raiders hopped up on performance enhancing Kronii Milk laying waste to a coastal town is horrifying

>>19069473
cant we peacefully receive it
otherwise this means war

>>19069781
you'll have to negotiate, meaning interacting with other people, namely the /nina/s. alternatively, if you go to war, you would have to figure out a fesible way you could win. this being the first time war is going to be depicted, i suggest taking the path of "stop when you have to describe what your enemy does to let them respond" as in "i set up this kind of army to do these kinds of things to these regions" not "i take all their land, and they all die, the end" you could also hire mercenaries if you are not sure if your side has a decisive advantage

>>19068872
Yeah something like that but a bit more elaborated

>>19069943
Not /pyon/, but how do we win a war?

>>19070748
Same way you would a real war I suppose: slaughter all your enemy's forces, get them to surrender, sign a peace treaty, etc.

>>19070748
write them into a corner. basically, this is like normal war, but entirely from the perspective of the strategist. you look at your enemy, and compare them to yourself, then you make a strategy to exploit some weakness of theirs, or to utilize some strength of yours, then you present that strategy as though it were happening in real time, but since you have no idea how the enemy will respond, even if you think you've countered every possible move they could make, and since you don't want to reveal your grand strategy to them, you only tell them the first step before their responce becomes uncertain. then they do the same, and back again until all options are futile for one or both party. if one side fails to respond within a certain period of time, or after a certain number of reminders, the involved party will get to determine the results. if there are multiple claims involving the same place and time yet describing mutually exclusive activities, then the party who made those claims must either decide which one they will keep, of come up with an explanation for how they could happen at the same time. we can come up with more rules as the situations call for them.

>>19070748
Chess. Although, it's easy to cheat

>>19063338
Reposting new /infinity/ lore from our split

>Main cities are on the coast or located by rivers for easier transport of goods and loading/shipping to the rest of the empire(as is the case with most large cities)
>Focus on heavy industry allows for the production of steam powered inventions and other more advanced things(automatons, armor, ironclad ships, possibly airships/zeppelins, trains, etc)
>Majority of heavy labor(like mining, moving freight, etc) is done by automatons or steam armor enhanced kronies supported by specialized workers able to fill in where they're needed
>The main island is surrounded by a chain of small barrier islands like those on the eastern seaboard of the US(which are too small to be relevant/present on the map and cause issues thread wise) that provide protection from the weather while acting as natural harbors. That way we don’t have to spend resources on protecting our ports and instead invest in other matters.
I’ve also thought of some names for our cities
>Kronstantinople
>Kronigsberg
>Infinity City
>Ourogata
I was also thinking we should name our lake the Krosin reservoir after the Chosin reservoir in korea

I just had a thought, what happened to HoloCN in this world? Did it sink into the sea? Was it removed from the circles of the world by a higher power? Where the fuck did they go?

>>19070748
Invade when the leader of your main competition is someone who shits their pants in front of other heads of state.

>>19071777
was holoCN before /vt/land? either way, doesn't matter. /vt/world represents the threads, no need for a landmass to represent them, they got replaced by some other holo group.

>>19071837
Before, yes, and I kinda hoped for something a little more elaborate than just someone else moving in. I suppose that's what we'll have to do for Rushia now, though.

>>19070748
I suggest all conflicts be done with a 2 v 2 showdowns in the most respected, bloodiest, and complex games in human history: Mahjong.
Additional bonus from it is that cheating is impossible since machines suck at playing it, and the general most obsessed with it is neutral and only cares about profits.

>>19071821
that's a great strategy, especially when you're targeting a group that considers the leader of said competition a nepotistic crook. i wonder why it hasn't happened yet in the real world...

>>19071837
Maybe the lost nation of holoCN was located in the schizo wastelands

>>19071875
No, this is a /vt/ map, not a hololive map. If they don't have any split here, they are not represented. Rushia is a special case for what happened

>>19071908
this is an obvious shitpost, but for the record i like my suggestion better. my way, you need to use world building to win a war in the world building thread, your way you just need to find two people who don't know how to play some game to beat literally anyone, only for the rest of the thread representatives to disregard the result because they weren't the ones to play or something like that.

>>19072104
Nah, thread representatives would be the ones playing or nominating the players. It'd have to be organized, but so would any other type of conflict - people will never 'fold' in a conflict that's dictated solely by writing.

>>19070748
HOI4 MP session

>>19072210
unless they pull world building out of their ass to justify something, they have a finite number of options. what kind of idiot would wage war against someone who is by all accounts superior to them. in times where probabilities of finite outcomes are uncertain, rolls could be relied on. either way, any way of waging war that isn't world building would would make world building pointless. how would you represent the unique advantages, and tactics utilized by every individual group? if you want to say that some conflicts can be resolves through games if both sides agree to do so, then sure. it's not like in real life, where actions are the only thing that matters, and the result of a game can just be ignored, but to say all conflicts must be resolves with games, let alone any specific game, is just creatively bankrupt, and frankly pretty stupid.

>>19063338
Reposting some /infinity/ lore of the Kronii Milk, I will expand on it later:
>There's a plant native to /infinity/ called the Snake Fang. The tradition says it is a gift from Kronii herself. Among the young teenage kronie girls between the ages of 14-15, the ones with the biggest breasts are chosen to become novices. These novice priestesses train their minds and their bodies to be able to consume the Snake Fang. The plant has the effect to induce the production of breast milk. The breasts of these young priestesses are stimulated to grow bigger and thus produce more breastmilk. The breastmilk obtained from the priestesses is the prime matter for the Kronii Milk.

>Each year there's a ritual orgy where strong male Kronies can choose which priestess to mate with. The orgy is witnessed by the populace while consuming Kronii Milk where they can masturbate to the spectacle and have visions about Kronii. Nine months later the second part of the ritual takes place where the populace watches the priestesses give birth. The kronies born from them will be trained to become enforcers, the strongest warriors of /infinity/.

>>19073265
The fuck

>>19073265
That's wild as shit, what the fuck. Anyway, could Kronii Milk be used to physically enhance horses like some magical steroid, or to amplify the strength of gunpowder through some alchemy or other?

>>19063338
Reposting more /infinity/ lore

Kronies have ork-like latent psychic abilities to "manifest" their beliefs. Our tech works because we think it will. A Kronie gun in another's hand will be little more than a pipe and a bottle of cum, because we believe other people are too primitive to use them

>>19071514
More

>While we are a center for trade and industry, we still have a capable military. Our main advantage is technology. While everyone else is fighting with pikes or arquebuses we have access to rifled muskets which would have better range and accuracy and overall be a more deadly weapon(plus they wouldn't need to be set up so we would be a lot more mobile). We could also make use of blunderbusses as well.
>I was thinking our island would kind of function like Switzerland in case of invasion. We could have mandatory military service for a set period of time after the appropriate age is met(let's say you have to serve 1 year after you turn 18). The whole island is littered with camouflaged bunkers and guns which can be manned in case of attack by every adult kronie. A large majority of our population would be ready to defend our island at a moment's notice.
>In terms of tactics we would focus around line infantry(like firing in rows) tactics as well as napoleonic light infantry tactics(more reminiscent of squad based tactics used today). Our true strength would come from artillery though. We might not be able to match our enemies in terms of numbers as an island nation, but we would still be a credible threat. We would be able to devastate enemy forces from afar with cannon fire and shrapnel shells or alternatively shred through them with grapeshot at close range. I imagine our navy would favor broadside barrages.
>I was also thinking we could have Schizo Penitent Legions or elite schizo troops. In this way they can still be of use to the island. They would act as shock troops or berserkers, unleashed when needed or when times are desperate. We could have commissars and priests monitoring them and ensuring their faith and repentance for their sins. Perhaps those who have proven themselves have their sanity restored by the Kroniissiah?

>>19074036
>>19063338

>>19074036
>While everyone else is fighting with pikes or arquebuses
You really need to eyeball this thread before making assumptions like this.

>>19074005
is the manifest power a side effect of kronii milk consumption? the power to have visions of alternate futures and (unwittingly) partially merge them into the main timeline?

>>19074221
Just earlier I thought the consensus was early renaissance / exploration age? With /nasa/, /infinity/ and a few more being outliers?

>>19074442
>Everyone else
>Everyone

>>19074486
Well I didn't write it, that lorekronie probably just generalized

>>19074320
You just gave me an idea. Maybe Kronie genes are more susceptible to the psychic side effects of Kronii Milk. So even if we trade it to other peoples and they consume it, they won't get those side effects. I'll write more in-depth and ask infinity.

>>19074442
i saw it as a
>any deviation from this much be offset by disadvantages that balance them with technology of this age
so sana losing most of their basic tech and needing to learn how to live off the land, and kronies being stuck on a frozen wasteland of sorts balances everything out.

>“Hello! I’m Yagoo Attenborough and this is HoloEarth. For 30 years our programme has been exploring the numerous different regions of the Hololive empire, from the mountains of /kfp/ to the forests of /uuu/ and beyond. Today, we’re in for a special treat. It's not everyday one can visit the often isolated island of /∞/, tucked away in the eastern ocean. Few eyes have seen its pristine shoreline, let alone set foot on it. Now, I have the esteemed privilege of showing you the true beauty of infinity.”
>”We’ve hiked up to the colder regions of the main island, as you can tell by the heavy covering of snow around us. Now I’ll have to talk quietly, as I don’t want to scare any wildlife. Many of the animals up here live solitary lives and are wary of predators, surviving on whatever they can find in these chilly mountains.”
>”Ah, yes! This is what we’ve been waiting for. Now if you look past my shoulder and a little to the right you’ll see what is known as the common infinitian arctic fox. Its signature white coat is a wonder to behold, both incredibly soft and excellent at containing body heat. They are incredibly light, able to move across snow without breaking the surface, a useful trait if you don’t want to leave tracks behind for predators to follow. Look at it there! See! He’s just pounced at something he saw moving under the snow. Ah, looks like he caught a mouse of some kind.”
>”Watching such a beautiful creature as that is an experience like no other. Fortunately, /∞/’s isolationism may actually be beneficial to the fox, as it is incredibly hard for poachers to gain entry to the country. Additionally, the fox is an official protected species of the Infinitian government. But I would like to remind viewers that the same cannot be said for other species. All over the world, habitats are destroyed and species are hunted and threatened to become extinct. Let us take this humble fox as an example to protect and respect our wildlife, both endangered and unendangered.”
>”And with that, I’ll see you next as we continue to explore the unseen natural wonders of /∞/!”

>>19054353
Has infinity yet decided on the orientation and the exact location of their island?

So after the drama, this thread just turned into /infinity/ circlejerk. Nice. Lovely "worldbuilding" for the entirety of /vt/ you have constructed.

>>19075020
/meat/ and /infinity/ have always lorefagged the most. Yesterday /meat/ listed down their entire government and belief system. Today /infinity/ is hashing out their military organization and tech level.

>>19075020
more envoys are needed

>>19075020
we are making due with what we have. even if you don't like the results of that one situation, /infinity/ are great contributers. it's hard to keep the peace because many people share your feelings, and maybe things would change if neutralfag came back, but theres nothing left to do but go on or argue endlessly if even if you succeeded in arguing that neutralfag should come back, he seemingly isn't even here anymore.

>>19075020
You can write lore for your own general too you know
>>19075160
This too. Maybe send the invites again?

>>19075020
/nasa/ is also quite active and additional flags are being submitted. There's just 6 loud trumpets being blown that takes everyone attention currently.

>>19075246
Sure thing, but why would I put effort into this if it's been hijacked by a single thread with a fair bit of posters who have declared their thread to be superior to everyone else?

Desolate wasteland, yet somehow full of industry.
Isolated so much that threw a fit over placement near their genmates, yet for some insane reason a "centre of trade".
Add to it a capable military and navy (from the anons that are posted) and technological superiority for NO reason.

This is what people see when they enter this thread - a collaborative effort hijacked by a group of people who just want to jerk off their single thread, conserving its "OC donut steel" special vibes.

I know that it's not just one poster, it's several so it's natural it isn't consistent, but no one is pointing out the contradictions, and seeing how Kronies acted before, this lack of any dissent will be taken as "consensus" of the thread to move further and further.

>>19075246
>Maybe send the invites again?
Now is not a good time to send these with the ongoing shitstorm.

>>19075420
Everyone else should be just as Mary Sue as you seem to think /infinity/ is. In fact I encourage it. We're not actually running a tabletop, are we? If it's all just fluff, I think everyone should go ham as long as they find a way to balance it - which /infinity/ did by keeping themselves isolationist and preoccupied with an eternal civil war.

On top of that...
>Desolate wasteland, yet somehow full of industry.
It's not desolate though, it's just cold and hard to live in.
>Isolated so much that threw a fit over placement near their genmates, yet for some insane reason a "centre of trade".
Where did they submit that it's a center of trade? I haven't seen it in their lore in the OP.
>Add to it a capable military and navy (from the anons that are posted) and technological superiority for NO reason.
And again they balance it by not wanting to start wars, and by always focusing on internal issues instead.

>>19074036
>Where did they submit that it's a center of trade?
>>19074036
>Reposting lore

"Oh sure, we're a Mary Sue, but everyone else should just be" is a terrible world-building advice. Also, "not wanting to start wars" is a really bad excuse for a capable military - I'd say even more, it argues against itself, unless it was never meant to be a drawback in the first place.

To that list, also add latent psychic abilities. If you can't see how this would make most posters "nope" out, then please enjoy your /infinity/ lite, but don't call it /vtwbg/, please.

>>19075920
You're really fucking mad about us having that island, huh? But fine, I'll check in with infinity and curb the chuunism.

>>19074603
>kronies being stuck on a frozen wasteland
>in spring and summer, life in /infinity/ flourishes in a comfortable temperate climate, kronies praise the kroniissiah for blessing them, forgetting any previous perceived slights (ie. "SHE LOVES US")
>every winter the storms come and devastate /infinity/ factories and produce, kronies begin to question their faith in the kroniissiah (ie. "SHE HATES US")
>the whole island is caught in a seasonal timeloop

>>19076107
kek this should be official lore

>>19076065
I don't mind you having /an island/, I do mind that you threw a fit over it that scared a shitload of posters away, including the neutral arbiter, then proceeded to do a wee bit of historical revisionism, hijacked the thread, and now proceed to jerk off your own general.

Those are my grievances, and believe me, they are not about the island itself, but everything surrounding it.

Thank you for agreeing to curb the chuunism. To remedy this, I was thinking of maybe giving the generals a way to "stat" themselves, giving a large pool of points and facets of society. This wouldn't be the "end-of-all" numbers autism, just a way to very roughly quantify what a nation is good at while keeping the total points constricted so no one can be good at absolutely everything.

>>19075245
I still think threads should have a *single* delegate that posts here representing their nation, with the rest of the discussion happening in their own thread, and not multiple posters that create lore offshoots or lunge onto anyone that disagrees with them.
The only exception to this should be /meat/, occasionally, just because their thread keeps getting deleted by trannyjannies.
>but the number of posters and general activity will drop
It will drop further if this continues being infinitylite

>>19076276
I apologize for being a chuuni about it. And as I've said before, I was one of the Kronies trying to be civil about the territory dispute and telling the schizoronies to fuck off. Didn't work out though but I understand your aversion.
>To remedy this, I was thinking of maybe giving the generals a way to "stat" themselves
That's a great idea!

>>19076276
>To remedy this, I was thinking of maybe giving the generals a way to "stat" themselves
thats.. actually not a bad idea. I actually like it.
Those points could also be used to allow the generals to make small changes to their environment if they so wish. resource allocation could also be handled this way?

>>19076313
the /meat/ thing is a problem. OPs are getting banned for ban evasion and if they are seen using something like, for example, a tripcode to identify the delegate, they are going to be quickly banned

>>19076526
>they
You mean if they use a trip code here or in their threads? Delegates don't have to use trips in their threads, only here, if they even choose to use one at all.

>>19076715
Didn't mean to quote the "they"

>>19076715
hmm... better for the delegate to stick only to the lore then

>>19076363
Sorry for going off a bit. I am aware of this and that not everyone is to blame, but it just a very sour taste in my mouth and resulted in most people posting here being Kronies, judging by the number of posts.
>>19076392
I just think that "Resources" would be a stat there. There's also no reason why people wouldn't be able to specify things more concretely - for example, a small army that specializes in jungle warfare would fare well in a jungle even against much, much "stronger" armies that are well-rounded. Likewise, people would be able to specify what resources they have, and naturally the more valuable/rarer resources would just be mined in smaller amounts.

I'll draft something real quick, based off some past projects, feel free to criticize and add more to it once I do.

/KFP/ here, finally shopped in some mountains without using ms.paint.

If there are any complaints or changes I should make (I'm aware the mountains are VERY steep) I'm happy to amend them or change them.

https://files.catbox.moe/eaf8g4.jpg
for any one who wants to just take a cursory glance at the image, I made a redux version that is 75% of the size

>>19077317
Could you squeeze in /infinity/ there while you're at it please, so we have a fully updated map for future use?

>>19077370
I can add that in myself, its no big deal. First I'd need to know the final position and orientation of the island though
>>19077317
Thanks a lot.

On another note, everything that was replied to the anchor in the previous thread has been archived

>>19077442
it was option B here
>>19070017

>>19077317
>>19077548
Here's the island

>>19071514
>>19074036
>>19073265
/∞/ here. We're still discussing our lore as a whole, please don't treat this as canon unless it gets approved. Everything should be polled first.

>>19075420
If you follow what /∞/ decided upon they went with a island where only the very north is cold and the rest is temperate so it's full of resources and not just a desolate wasteland.

It would be considered a major trading hub because it's location, between the continents, but due to its isolationism, it only has 1 or 2 ports open for foreigners to use. (This is currently provisional)

They're isolationists and want to be left alone. but as was proven in this very general, they will wipe out anyone who threatens them or breaches a treaty.

>>19078228
>they will wipe out anyone who threatens them or breaches a treaty.
tbf, it's by sheer number, not technology

>>19078304
That's got to be debated first.

>>19077317
Sakuran has a volcano area on the western side of the continent. I made this with paint but I'm a bit hetakuso at drawing to I'd like to see it added in properly. The volcano itself isn't that tall, ~1600m, but because it's a shield volcano, it has smoother slopes that span a fair distance before getting to near sea level. It also has a hot spring area on the southern end, it's close to where where one of our cities will be placed.

>>19078444
>>19077317
Are there any other changes to the map that need to be done?

>>19078228
>but as was proven in this very general, they will wipe out anyone who threatens them
i feel like this general is more a case of schizo kronies and schizo anti-kronies get into a bar brawl while travelling abroad, and everyone else fucking leaves the bar to avoid catching a stray fist to the jaw

>>19078444
>>19077609
>>19077317
We need to combine the following three things
>KPF's mountain range
>Infinity's island
>Sakuran's

>>19078533
/∞/ were extremely diplomatic until the tripfag tore up the agreement and tried to fuck them over. Then we had a war between /∞/'s schizo shock troops and the tripfag and his fellow schizos.

Timeloops are pretty gay, not going to lie

>>19078228
It seem to me that all they need is to think someone threatens them, which means that no, this isn't a valid argument for having a large army, since it isn't a drawback.
They'll also wipe out the whole thread while they're at it, it'd seem.

>>19078694
>>19078304
That's why they have a technological rather than numbers edge.

>>19078659
please, shut up

>>19078780
You lost, accept it with dignity.

>>19078819
shut up already. I'm not one of those who were against the kronies. I'm against them now because they are shitheads that raided 2 threads. I just want them to get the fucking island already

>>19078884
Doubt.jpg

>>19078922
>>19078819
>>19078659
While yes, we were diplomatic before the tripfag started to push us out of the claimed territory, you're really not helping. Just be quiet, we got our island, there is a neutral and accurate timeline of the dispute in the OP.

t. Lorefagronie

>>19078922
>we are not shitheads
>keeps being a retard
shut up already, or I'll get the fuck out and the thread will lose one of the representatives

>>19078922
>>19078884
>>19078819
>>19078780
break it up ladies your both beautiful.
slap fights are unproductive and serve only to bump the thread

I thought we were over this?

>>19079039
kronies are shitheads that love to start drama, apparently

>>19079039
PeopleShouldKnowWhenTheirConquered.mp4

>>19079070
again with your passive-aggressiveness. Shut the fuck up dude

>>19079102
Stop being a whiny little bitch. Everything is civil before you start throwing shit.

>>19079137
I didn't throw any shit. This is me >>19078780, I started talking there

Look, I'm from infinity. It should be obvious from how passionate the lorefags we have are that we love this project. it should also be obvious from more than one of us making concessions and backing down on certain things like geographical size and how Mary Sue we are that we're willing to listen and cooperate. We just have a few shitheads and falseflaggers following us around. I'm genuinely sorry about that. Please just ignore vitriolic Kronies, or people who seem like Kronies and are shitting up discussion.

>>19079177
Prove how what was said was wrong there. The tripfag tore up the agreement and was rightfully shit on for doing it. And instead of just admitting he was wrong, apologizing and moving on, he ran off.
That's lore building in of itself.

>>19079303
it seems you will not shut up, so I'll do it myself, I hope you die, nigger

>>19079354
Please just ignore him. I'm fairly certain he's one of our schizos who always act like this. And just like those guys we should ignore him.

Please refrain from any drama or flaming below this line
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It's insane how they just cannot stop rubbing their destruction of the thread in everyone's faces. No wonder hardly anyone else is posting. I scroll through this shit and just instantly lose all creative energy

>new IP

>/infinity/ contributes
>They get unfairly attacked
>/infinity/ defend themselves
>'It's /infinity/'s fault the thread is shit!'
This is the timeloop, this has always been the timeloop.

Notice how the infinity schizo ignored his thread's own lorefag telling him to calm down. Yeah, he's stirring shit up on purpose.

>>19079427
>>19079414
these posts are a few seconds or so apart, please refrain from any drama now.

so does anyone have some lore they would like to post, or maybe something else that's related to the thread topic?

Every time this timeloop restarts it's always around this hour. I'm convinced it's one guy. Especially when you read both this thread and /infinity/ at the same time you'll usually find Kronies in their own thread telling him to shut up too.

Ill stop posting about it now.

>>19079598
Would it be alright to contribute lore for /hlgg/? I've had some ideas

>>19079789
go ahead. we welcome all lore here, though it might be a good idea to talk with your thread before posting.

I'm calling out the anti-infity schizos here. Show me what you've done to contribute to this project, specifically lore, flags, splits you did work for. Prove to me you aren't just third party shitposters.

>>19079598
i'm working on something, but it does involve /infinity/ a bit among a few other nations. i'm a bit hesitant to exacerbate the thus far kronie-centric perspective of the lore, so ideally i'll wait for contributions from other threads that haven't been discussed much to even things out

>>19080025
and being able to point fingers to other generals. How about no?

man and i thought our general was shit at avoiding taking the bait

>>19080063
>I can't say what work I've done because I haven't done any work.
Fixed. Fuck off if you aren't going to participate and just shitpost.

>>19079598
There is no thread topic, which is probably a contributing factor to sparks flying so easily. I continue to recommend us making threads that focus on one particular lore aspect so everyone can be sort of on the same page and get the nations that haven't contributed in awhile some direction again
>>19080025
I would do this but then you would harass my nation, so no

>>19080167
See
>>19080135

>>19080189
>>19080135
Shut up. Just fucking shut up. What have YOU contributed for infinity? Probably fucking nothing since I was the one who wrote our lore, the Kronie who initially designed our island is also civil, and the drawfriend who fixed our map isn't like this. Go fuck yourself

>>19080167
i fondly remember worldbuilding prompt threads from my time on /tg/, where the OP would include often a single word focus for the thread like "Religion", "Agriculture", "Recreation". That or a more specific question like "what is the national sport of your kingdom?"

>>19079922
I'm shy to lorefag in /hlgg/... Maybe later. Thank you though!

>>19080313
At least you're contributing. BTW, I helped fix the map and am contributing to lore if you really want to know.

>>19080532
Then why did you start the timeloop again? It ended minutes before your post. It you're REALLY contributing then go back to infinity and help us streamline our lore to be less chuuni / fantastical.

>>19080617
I didn't. I just stated the facts and this guy started it. >>19078780

>>19080480
what is /hlgg/ culture anyway? beyond it being the most populous and active city on the planet, i don't know much about it since i rarely look any deeper than the i love ina / i miss sana ritualposts. how would a global citizen describe life in /hlgg/ to an outsider?

>>19079505
I'd be great if your thread didn't drive everyone else from this thread. No wonder why /now/ of all times mostly /infinity contributes - there is just hardly anyone else.

>>19080741
i mean i guess the catalog clogging with drama threads would easily bury a thread as slow as this

>>19080700
The way you said it is already vitriolic. Just stop.

>>19080741
Or maybe you shouldn't get pissy at every little thing given you've learned nothing from the previous conflict.

>>19080829
It's the facts, fact don't care about your feelings.

>>19080617
Stop replying to him Kronie, even you're getting baited now
>>19080464
Yeah, that's exactly what I had in mind. I haven't updated my lorepost in awhile because I'm decently satisfied with it as an overview. I'd be more than willing to whip up some more for the sake of moving the entire general forward a stage though

>>19080741
Hoshiyomia and /meat/ and /kfp/ all contributed quite a bit in the last 24 hours

>>19080868
You're right. He's just stressing me out because other splits actually might stop because of his antics.
>I'd be more than willing to whip up some more for the sake of moving the entire general forward a stage though
Please do. Any contribution I'd make is for infinity and I feel we've had enough for today.

>>19080947
Other splits already mostly stopped, compared to the era before the drama. You just have individual /kfp/ or /nasa/ posters.

I planned on working out something related to the statistics mentioned before, but I see that it's no use. I'll leave the thread and maybe come back in several weeks to see if it's still alive or worth spending time on.

>>19081117
See you tomorrow.

>>19081117
That coincides more with the Rushia termination, though. every thread on this board since has been slower as (most) schizos go to the bait threads and the sticky. Even during the island dispute actually happening at its peak, Hoshiyomia and /who/ and /nasa/ were very active

>>19081309
Don't count on it. Abayo.

I tried my best.
Updated map without borders.
I'll use this to make a new climate map at some point in the near future.

>>19081655
Very nice! Thank you for that.

>>19081655
A bigger and in my view more accurate map with borders.
I fixed the /who/ - hoshiyomi border according to >>18951348

Here, how about a quick test despite being mid-thread with something unimportant. Won't get much engagement without a good OP, but I'm curious if there are any lurkers that'll bite.
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Calling out all envoys to expand upon your citizens' manner of dress: What does the average Joe wear on the daily? Any formal dress impacted by tradition/culture? Fashion being split by class or regional differences? Climate or other fantastical wackery making certain attire a necessity? Paint us a clearer picture of who you'll see walking through the streets!

>>19079598
Sure.
>While the Kaiserreich part of /Kaiserreich-FP/ is widely understood, the FP part is less known, standing for Fönixid and Pölitid, the two pseudo ethnic classes of the Kaiserreich.
>The Fönixid ruling class of the /Kaiserreich-FP/ possess a rich court culture, having an On season during the Autumn, an Off season during the winter, and a "Holiday" season over the Spring and Summer
>The On season over Autumn is when the majority of intrigue takes place, with marriages, court alliances, and the over whelming majority of high societal events, taking place during this time of year. The most famous, or perhaps infamous of which, are the Masquerade balls (which are often preceded, and followed by, orgies) during which members of the Fönixid elite, and even some Pölitids, arrive anonymously wearing masks. No invitations are sent, with the events traditionally being a free for all spread by word of mouth. Any one aware of its happening may simply show up as long as they are correctly dressed. These balls however are not just mere parties of anonymized hedonism accompanied by Waltzes for the participants to enjoy, but serve a vital role, as it is at these balls where almost all of the years political intrigue take place, and are one of the few occasions where the court may talk to the Kaiserin outside of the throne room.
>The Off season over Winter serves as a sort of cleanse from the sin and Machiavellianism of the Autumn before it, with it being the time of year where spiritual and religious matters are attended to. Shrines are visited, and nobles done traditional winged robes (see pic related). Marriages arranged during the Autumn have their ceremonies performed, and are subsequently consummated in a more private, wholesome, setting than the animalistic orgies of the preceding season.
>while called the "Holiday" season, this is when the majority of the work is actually done. The nobility more casual, loose fitting, attire, and typically deal with matters of law, business, and the military. This is also the season during which the Fönixids descend from their homes in the mountain to the lowlands to meet with the Pölitids most.

>>19081951
Thanks for this, should we post it to the splits?

>>19082657
Very interesting read. Wasn't expecting the orgies, kek. May I ask, is your Kaiserrin literally Kiara or is it an appointed official who /becomes/ Kiara? I thought the goddesses or at least the Hololive ones are more distant than that but still tangible, like Greek mythology

>>19081819
>>19081655
Nvm I just realized I missplaced the infinity island and used an older version of the island which was lacking the lake in the middle

This is the real map

>>19081951
I already discussed it a bit in >>19082657 but the traditional dress of the Kaiserreich-FP varies heavilly by season, as well as some what by class.

The typical dress of a Pölitid during all seasons will be a Dirndle for women and a Lederhosen for men, with thicker variants worn with woolen stockings and long coats worn during the winter (or with Drindl's being swapped out for Bunads for the especially cold winters of the highland plateaus) and thinner variants with thin, bordering on transparent, fabric worn over the summer.

Special winged robes are donned for religious events, marriages, and the like, of course. While the more extravagant robes, with silk wings, tend to be reserves for the Fönixids, the Pölitids also done winged robes, albeit with plainer designs, cheaper fabrics, and wings made of plumes of chicken, goose, or duck feathers.

>>19083538
I feel, as Kiara is especially intimate with her chat, it may make sense for her to be one of the few people to personally preside over her nation in human form, rather than having an earthly representative

>>19084491
pic related is our Kaiserin (long may she reign) humbly wearing the garb of the common Pölitid woman.

>>19084491
>I feel, as Kiara is especially intimate with her chat, it may make sense for her to be one of the few people to personally preside over her nation in human form, rather than having an earthly representative
This world is that of /vt/, not vtubing as a whole. So your nation would be for the KFP on this board, not her fanbase at large.

That being said, there's the rumor that Kiara is /here/ right? Maybe Kiara really is your leader and other nations don't believe it, believing it's propaganda. And maybe other nations really hate yours because of that, leading to orange psychosis. Well, I like your oshi and your lore so I'm just making suggestions.

>>19084707
nta
to be fair, KFP on this board is a section of her fanbase, therefore, if kiara is intimate with her fanbase, she is by extension intimiate with the local kfp
>maybe Kiara really is your leader and other nations don't believe it, believing it's propaganda. And maybe other nations really hate yours because of that, leading to orange psychosis.
sounds fun to me

>>19084707
I actually like that idea of people, especially those not part of the KFP, being doubtful over whether or not the Kaiserin is really who she claims to be, that being the REAL Kiara, and trying to pass it off as some sort of state propaganda.

I'm stealing it.

>>19084898
>>19084836
I'm glad you like it! Feel free to use or modify it.
I've been wanting to ask, your lore in the OP mentions orange medicine. What are it's properties, other than turning some people into orange-triggered schizos? Your general and mine traded Kronii Milk for phoenix feathers, but I wonder about your own drugs.

>>19085138
As the name suggests, its a medicine. It either acts as an effective, relatively side effects free, anti-biotic, or will lead to schizo posting.

>>19083824
/∞/'s location is a little off, but if doesn't affect the climate and it's like B, we should be good.

>>19085714
Huh! Noted. Thank you KFP

>>19063244
>>18947254
"With the funding from Sakana, we open the way for our brothers. With the thousand teases of Lia, we call to them. With the twelve plagues of Pippa, we fell their enemies. And with the mighty axe of Tenma, we cut open the world for them."

/pcg/ is a world of chaos. Where everyone, from the cuckposters to the goslings to the mods, to the talents to the company are are damned with the scourge of schizo. These rrats reverberate through the warp that surrounds /pcg/. Beware for entering into this zone affects time, space and sanity. The current war has turned into a skirmish between Pippa's Plaguebearers and Lia's Bussybois over the quantity and quality of mousepad tributes. Pippa's footjob mousepad and Lia's feet-in-stockings are clear moves for the battle to win the heart and soul of feetbros: a strong breed of coomer who live deep underground but are now rising to the surface ready for war.

>>18949113
"It is the 8th month of Phase Connect. For more than a hundred streams The Cutest Rabbit has sat immobile in her crusty gamer chair. She is the mistress of the Capippalists by the will of the Fishman and mistress of a couple of threads on 3 sites by the might of her inexhaustible vagueposting. She is the schizophrenic Lady of the small Phase Connect Vtuber Company for whom a decent handful goslings are spoonfed forbidden knowledge every thread so that she may never stop inclining.

Yet even in Her inclining state, the Rabbit continues to yab. Curious anons cross the shittily designed webpage of the catalog, the only route between threads, their way lit by UOOHH-worthy thumbnails, the visual manifestation of the Rabbit's fetishes. Dedicated anons give battle in her name on a few anti threads. Greatest among her soldiers are the Goslings, the Gachikois, a bunch of lonely men. Their comrades in arms are legion: the Foot Fetishists and countless "ironic" footbros, the ever-inspired Ryonaposters and the Chat Jannies of the Dick Sword to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat to thread-regulars from kiwis, newfags, IBStards -- and far, far worse.

To be an an-non in such times is to be one amongst arouund 60 IPs. It is to post in the shittiest and most annoying thread imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the joy of comradeship and OC, for all that has been abandoned, never to be regained. Forget the promise of UNITY and understanding, for in the grim darkness of /pcg/ there is only shitposting. There is no peace amongst anons, only an eternity of spite and name-calling, and the laughter of thirsty Gen 2s."

>>19086639
>>19063338

sorry, I was ignoring /vt/ until the drama stream finished. QRD of what happened?

>>19063338
>>19086639
In the 6th month of Phase Connect, the Urufugang led a raid to free Uruka from Lia's sex dungeon but Pippa interfered and stole Uruka for herself. Now Uruka lives within a jar. Pippa sometimes opens the jar to pour in her latest filth as Uruka's only souce of food. The Urufugang mounted a desperate attempt against Pippa's garden but her cuckposters were too strong and the Urufugang fled to Reddit.

>>19087656
If you're referring to the infinity island dispute: >>18925120

>>19087656
some Kronie and Anti-Kronie radicals got into a tussle over nothing. It got resolved and now I think we're discussing the clothing of each nation

>>19087948
>I think we're discussing the clothing of each nation
that was the answer I was looking for. How do you even start with something like that?

>>19087798
>>19086639
Uh bro, no offense and you did great effort but
You forgot one thing
This is /vt/ not the actual chuubas

>>19088017
Generally you base it on the garb of your oshi, the culture your split is emulating/larping as, or a mixture of the two.

>>19088191
I might have an idea now, but it's not very original. In fact, it's exactly like her dress
maybe I should think more about it

>>19088267
You should also think of practicality. Is your country cold? hot? wet? how rich is your country? what materials are present?

>>19088393
how should I know about the materials present in the country?

>>19088445
Geography and climate

>>19083824
>>19085739
Tried to eyeball it

>>19088037
Okay, I or someone else will edit those parts out.

If this world HOI4 mod, what what kind of world victory Super Event does your country have?
Here are some examples anons posted
>/who/
https://youtu.be/4j83at3Z_aw?t=45
>/meat/
https://youtu.be/q4bGzE58-oc?t=465

>>19088445
Climate. If your country is freezing cold, then you can't grow cotton, so unless your country has easy trade access to cheap cotton, then chances are cotton clothing will be reserved for upper class trends.
If that's too hard though, you could just look at the materials your real world cultural analogue would be.

What's more important though is practicality. I can suspend my disbelief and just assume that your cotton clothing is just grown with a special breed of cotton that can survive the cold. If said cotton clothing does nothing to protect you from the warmth I'm going to start asking questions.

using the Kronies as an example, I could see them wearing something like this, at least during the snowy sub arctic winters, and shedding the trench coat for perhaps simple jumpers during the more temperate summer. Basing them off Anglos, since muh londoners, the sweaters could be made of wool and the trench coat made of Grey Herringbone tweed, both of which are made of wool, which could be fairly available on their island.

>>19089075
Per Penem Unitatem

>>19089075
I can understand /meat/'s ultimate victory is deicide but what does /who/ want? I asked and they only replied with pic related

>>19089434
The end of civilization?

>>19089075
>>19089434
that was mostly a shitpost, i'll come up with something more appropiate later.

>>19089608
So youre not doing a Great Reset to create a new world in mumei's image? Phew

>>19089075
World wide application of the #Woke and #Yolk doctrines, and lebensraum for the Pölitids

>>19089768
probably not, the goal of /who/ is the advancement of humanity at any cost

In terms of danger/powerlevel, I'd say that the most dangerous nations are still asleep/havent contributed yet
Just like how the USA was a sleeping giant pre-WW2, imagine the powerlevel if /vsj/, /pcg/, /#/ start taking worldbuilding seriously

I noticed the argument started because of the tech level difference between /infinity/ and the rest of the world, having /infinity/ in the middle of an industrial revolution while everybody else fucks around in 16-17th century technology is massively one sided and pretty much unbalanceable, i think this is the main issue.

>>19090040
uhh bro. we have magic. just get creative to bump your tech level

>>19090040
Balanced by kronies being unable to stop jobbing at everything they attempt

>>19090040
It's balanced by kronies being completely unhinged and in constant conflict with each other

>>19090040
It's balanced because Kronies are not only isolationists, but constantly infighting. They only unify if there's a threat against them.

I'm talking with /nasa/ on our system of government. I do want to have a gun mandate where everyone in /nasa/ has guns. Space pirates are a thing after all. /nasa/'s not the only deep space exploring colony.

>>19073265
>"Welcome to Kronii Island: The most hedonist place on Earth!"
Based
So what's the name of the Official Nameᵀᴹ of the planet? Calling it "VTWorld" is a bit meh...

>>19090374
Oddvirtual

>>19073265
>>19090374
I'm pretty sure this is going to get rejected just on the basis it's cuck cancer.

>>19090040
I'm ok with Kronies and Sanalites being a little ahead in tech, as long as there are also draw backs and reasons for it.

For example the Kronies can be ahead in tech, but never really do anything with it due to geographic isolation, internal conflict, and being too ruled by hedonism to project any power using its tech advantage.

t.KFP

>>19090119
>>19090191
again, this isn't exactly a way to balance, it is hard to overstate the extreme economic power of the steam machine, absolutely every market would be flooded and no sailboat could ever compete against the steamboat, the reasoning that they're too busy fighting themselves is... pretty bad! (but it does mean that infinity would not be able to build a navy) the main victim of this would be the world economy, even if they just had one or two ports to just trade, this would still not be enough to nerf an industrial state in a non industrial world.

>>19090712 (me)
i guess we could just disregard the tech level of the world, but organizing things would get very hard very fast

>>19090712
/infinity/ isn't interested in conquering, travelling, colonizing or otherwise interacting with the rest of the world outside gathering chuuba products for sexual reasons. Kronies don't leave, and visitors are restricted to ports for the safety of their virginity in a manner similar to feudal japan, because visitors are "fair game" if caught outside them. A lack of ores due to being an island nation means they can't construct much industrial tech and their inward focus means what they have isn't used for means of travel. Constant infighting means what resources they have are never stockpiled for unified purposes, but wasted in internal conflicts.

Also kronies job, so the steam technology keeps failing. That's about everything I can think of to nerf it.

>>19090705
I am literally only interested in huffing sweaty phoenix feathers.
t. kronie

>>19089939
So, Nick Land endings
https://youtu.be/q4bGzE58-oc?t=253
https://youtu.be/LRBs5DYSPG0?t=68
https://youtu.be/xAGYrnQgaxU?t=999

>>19090712
As a counter-point, one of the debates /∞/ was having over how to proceed with this technological gap was what would happen if another country managed to steal one of their boats. The original solution was to make everything magic infused so it wouldn't work if non-kronies used them. This was struck down because it was considered to extreme.
So the explanation is Kronies are isolated and just paranoid of their technology falling into the hands of anyone else so they restrict access to their island to one or two ports ala Japan. The few times they do travel for trading purposes, it's a heavy convoy but only to make sure no country tries to take their and technology. (If a ship is boarded by a hostile third party, they'd just overload the boiler and explode the whole ship rather than let it be captured.) So they'd just kill themselves rather than cause a technological shift.
Finally, /∞/ did a vote on how they should act, it was overwhelmingly be defensive and isolationists.
>>19085669

>>19091701
Another simple solution is that steam powered boats is an idea that literally just never occurs to them

>>19091701
>make everything magic infused
Ok, this brings up another problem, just how does magic work and what are it's limitations

>>19091886
That's another reason why it was ultimately vetoed. It just shows that /∞/ is already working with keeping the majority of players here happy instead of just putting ideas forwards be damned the consequences.

I've been reading up on this thread for a bit now, as I have been preoccupied, and I've noticed there's still a lot of talk about the lack of an arbiter. With nuetralfag out presumably indefinitely, do you need someone to officially take his place?
I originally hailed from /meat/, but I am willing to step away to become an impartial mediator if needed. I also don't mind giving the okay to boot me out if you all believe me too biased in any matter.
I enjoy this thread quite a bit, so I'm willing to help out in any way I can.

>>19090542
We already agreed on eliminating the orgy thing back in /infinity/. I will post the updated version later

>>19091886
I'd imagine that the countries whose threads are devoted to magical chuubas would be able to use it along their theme, but it's specific to them and not particularly powerful.

>>19092036
whatever thing you do, better be prepared. Nuetralfag did more than only being the arbiter

>>19092036
At this point, we're pretty good at compromising and reaching general consensus so we don't need a new arbiter.

>>19091759
I think this one works best. The idea being that they're so isolationist that they don't see a reason to make a boat that can go further than the outer islets. Making a steam boat would be seen as a waste of coal and steel.

>>19092174
I can take on any neutral job required, involving discussion at least.
>>19092201
I see. I'll stick to just being part of /meat/ then.

>>19092210
Or we're just that dumb

>>19063338
New /infinity/ entry regarding the Kronii Milk. We have decided to erase the ritual orgy because it was deemed too outlandish and stupid. Disregard >>19073265 We will keep the basic origin tho:
>Kronii Milk is a narcotic that hightens the senses and perception of the consumer, as well as their stamina. It can also provoke religious-like hallucinations about one's oshi. Kronii Milk has the sude effect of increasing the libido too and if consumed in excess, it can turn the consumer into a sex-crazed schizo.

>There's a plant native to /infinity/ called the Snake Fang. The tradition says it is a gift from Kronii herself. Among the young teenage kronie girls between the ages of 14-15, the ones with the biggest breasts are chosen to become novices. These novice priestesses train their minds and their bodies to be able to consume the Snake Fang. The plant has the effect to induce the production of breast milk. The breasts of these young priestesses are stimulated to grow bigger and thus produce more breastmilk. The breastmilk obtained from the priestesses is the prime matter for the Kronii Milk. While the priestesses start at ages 14-15 there are older ones too.

>>19092549
I mean it could potentially be both.
I just prefer the ancient greek explanation of "I could make it, but I can't be arsed to"

better start cleaning up the OP whoever decides to do it

>>19091759
>>19092210
A counter narrative.
/∞/ has Steam Powered ships, but they only keep them stationed around the island for defensive purposes.
When trading with the outside world, they use the more technologically in line full-rigged ships and the reason for this is they are extremely paranoid about their technology falling into the hands of others nations and being reverse engineered.

>>19092876
the archival is ongoing. if you want to help, start making rentry.org links out of the lore scraps and post them as replies to the anchor post here >>19063338
you can check the following to see what is archived already: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HM_UK-qNKXQgFH-ixcWsCC3oAgBnFrxCKRPXdKiPMwQ/edit?usp=sharing

>>19092924
Honestly, I personally like the idea of infinity just not having come up with steam ships far more interesting and fun

>>19092924
Chuuni

>>19093065
Given how forward thinking /∞/ is, it would go against the lore. Why would you have steampunk level gear for everything else and not apply it to maritime for the sake of bolstering your own defenses?

>>19093179
>Given how forward thinking /∞/ is
W-We are?

>>19093254
We wouldn't be one of the most active splits in /vt/ if we weren't.

>>19093310
Most of the thread's activity is infighting and sex, bro.

You know what?
There cant be a mary sue overpowered country if EVERY country is overpowered!
/meat/ reveals its deepest secret. Literally!
What we have deep beneath the temple mountains of Matariki, is an eldritch abomination from the Antediluvian age of /jp/!
It is our WMD.
Fortunately we have no idea how to use it but what we know is that it's intelligent and enjoys relaying messages of our chuubas.

>>19093485
Go away Valve, your games and balancing attempts are shit.

>>19093485
You are a heretic.

>>19093434
Yet we harness those and thrive. weaker splits would have destroyed themselves under that strain.

>>19093663
That's not forward thinking, that's resilience.

Didn't an anon talk about wanting to make a HOI4 mod for this? What happened to him?

>>19093758
The autism probably scared him

>>19093179
Anon, I've studied history and I can tell you that forward thinking doesn't always mean smart.

The Ancient Greeks had rudimentary steam engines, and even a rudimentary analog calculator, but never did anything useful with this knowledge because they didn't see a reason to use it.

Archimedes built a lens array that could focus that suns light into a ray of light that could set ships on fire, however after actually using it to save a city from invaders he was told to destroy it, and made to apologize for "ungentlemanly behavior".

You can also apply this to East Asia. The Chinese and Japanese had gunpowder long before Europe did, but only used it for Fireworks. It took Europeans armed with rifles showing up on their door step for them to figure out that you could use it in a weapon.

Its entirely possible that the Kronies are forward thinking, but don't do anything useful with their technology for cultural, philosophical, or societal reasons.
In their case being too busy being coomers

>>19093723
Figuring out how to use them to our advantage is forward thinking. Even right now /∞/ thrives as Kronii announced she's not streaming for the week.

>>19093885
>The Ancient Greeks had rudimentary steam engines, and even a rudimentary analog calculator, but never did anything useful with this knowledge because they didn't see a reason to use it.
the real reason is that they didn't have the metallurgical knowledge to use it, so slave labor remained cheaper

>>19093885
You are flanderizing us too much.

>>19093885
>Archimedes built a lens array that could focus that suns light into a ray of light that could set ships on fire
That was a myth, Anon. It... It wasn't real.

Thinking on how to nerf /infinity/'s tech level while still keeping some of the asthetics they want, they ought to consider clockwork asthetic, during the 1600 to 1700's, in the most important states of Italy, and the technological capitals of the world (read: europe) were dedicating themselves to the development of mechanical devices that didn't require steam power, this would nerf /infinity/ in that their motors would still need to be handcranked to work and they might break the internal workings, meaning that they also have to dedicate enough of their economy to repairs, so they could be at a "proto-industrialization" with the inability to make railroads and steam machines. AND it fits the time period!

So if VT land goes to war what kind of atmosphere would it be?
https://youtu.be/P9ErSTYv50U
https://youtu.be/IHgvavOWzD8
https://youtu.be/-X2kJSXl4YM
https://youtu.be/asr6_eNCuoU

>>19094303
you know what that's actually even better. It makes sense since they're clock people

>>19094303
>Have an entire aesthetic based off steam punk
>But don't use stream
I'm not seeing it.

>>19094578
Honestly Clock punk works even better considering that Kronii is a literal clock

QUESTION, why does the world have to be in stuck in the boring renaissance age? World events only got real fun during the 1700s. Early steam engines existed in that century so everyone is happy.

>>19094904
I support low-fantasy so we can have magic, pre-industrial tech, and whatever magitek to cheat around limitations
We could have magic hologram internet or something

>>19094904
Bumping up the tech level to Enlightenment level wouldn't be that hard, it also allows the world to have a more interconnected economy

>>19095035
I'm in favor of this. It would make it easier for the world to be interconnected.

>>19095035
We'd need to be at least 16th century to make oceanic travel possible and not resort to cannibalism.

>>19095395
/meat/ will be disappointed...

>>19095428
They will do it anyway, it's part of their culture...

I wonder if there's any forest Taigas near /nasa/ since we're close to the coast now. We could use the wood.

As a fun fact, there are a few theories on why technological development was so unequal around the world, there's the hegemon versus competition argument that states: Geopolitical entities often had to choose to push through reform and advancement at the cost of their own stability because they ran the fear of being outcompeted by nearby states, so for example France could never isolate itself or they would be destroyed by their opponents, so they simply had to push for better weapons and thinking even at the cost of their own stability. On the other hand you had the Qing, who were living through the most peaceful period in their history (until the british arrived) because they had complete hegemon over all their neighbours, this meant that they had no real reason to push forth new technological development (until the british arrived).

I must mention that it IS just one of many theories, one that relates to the "Red Queen's Race" concept of interstate anarchy. So do remember that there are cases that also fit as exceptions.
t. /who/man

>>19092998
I already contributed with the Hoshiyomia rentry link. You faggots better stop shitposting and bumping the thread for no reason and start contributing to the document for the new OP

>>19095428
We have farms and plantations like any normal civilisation
Cannibalism is religious

>>19095531
You'd think with all the tribal conflict and generational blood feuds in africa over the millennia, they'd be super advanced by now.

>>19095778
They did have very well developed military techniques, but their available tech was limited due to routes, and the size of the continent, it's all super interesting really, it might also be how a state is structured that influences the spread of technology. Generally tribal societies had a very harsh time adapting new technologies across the world.

>>19095778
I mean we're talking about Africa.

>>19095551
I only just now took interest in this thread. I'm still bringing ideas to /nasa/. I also want to check ideas here so that we're still balanced with other nations. /nasa/ is also slow due to lack of activity. So it takes a while before we get details finalized.

>>19095035
This would actually work. If /∞/ had ironclads they would be extremely balanced because while they would be super powerful for the time, they can't work in the open ocean without sinking, so they'd be forced to be stationed around the island only. >>19093922

>>19095778
Africa had some very good military tacticians and techniques, but that's about it.
Other factors are to blame. Most of Africa is unfit for annual agriculture, and tropical disease is too prevalent for urbanization, so there wasn't really a society to develop in most place. Of course there was exceptions, like Mali and Ethiopia, but these are far from the rule.

>>19093179
Knowing infinity, they'd much rather build steam powered cocksucking machines than actual ships.

>>19096078
yeah, clockwork Ironclads sounds cool as shit without being gamebreaking, They would also be extremely expensive thought, which would help curve /infinity/'s economic power, it just works out, someone should go there to suggest it to them

>>19096673
It would be steam powered since if we're in the enlightenment and ∞ has a century of progress on the other counties they could produce industrial grade steam engines. Heck, the steam engine already existed at the state of the age of enlightenment.
The big nerfing is the fact it can't travel from their island since it would sink the moment it gets hit by ocean waves.

>/infinity/: "I AM THE MOST POWERFUL INDUSTRIAL NATION IN THE WORLD."
>Also /infinity/: "THE ONLY NATION THAT IS OUR ENEMY IS OUR NATION AND WE MUST FIGHT IT!"

>>19097033
And this my friends is how you balance successfully.

>>19096836
The point here is that Ironclads started appearing in the 1860's and were an immediate gamechanger even for the european states, but until then sailboats were still in use, allowing /infinity/ to hold a few super experimental weapons works, but just giving them the knowhow of steampowered ships even at an early stage is most certainly too strong. But a really expensive clockwork ironclad means that /infinity/ is still not at the point where they could wreck shit up.

>>19097122
I thought the entire world was moved forward 2 centuries in progress for the specific reason /∞/ could have steam engines so they can have steampunk technology. It's completely pointless compromise if you're still trying to force impractical clockwork technology.

I do have an objection to Kronii milk causing psychic powers. And that's because I see very little relation between psionics and time manipulation. It'd be like giving /nasa/ the power to manipulate gravity portably. Which I did think about using technology like Mass Effect relays to stop bullets and have guns with near infinite ammo.

Now what Kronii milk can do instead is act like a superdrug where you move and react so fast it looks like you manifest guns out of nowhere when you actually drew the gun so fast no one can catch it. Kronii milk is a powerful substance that enhances your body but risks making you go fucking batshit insane. Kind of like how Berserkers drank a bunch of alcohol where they're too drunk to notice they were stabbed.

>>19097661
But Kronii Milk doesn't give you psychic powers anyway, the hightened senses thing was more like improved reflexes

>>19097638
the enlightenment took place in the late 1600's to 1700's, this allows /infinity/ to become the pioneers of steam tech like the british were, but it also means that the technology is experimental enough to the point where they can't fully exploit it, so we can use clockwork to offset the power of their machines into something more controllable (from a worldbuilding perspective). So the tech bump allows us to be more flexible with the technology of the world overall and it's balance.

>>19097843
Age of enlightenment started in 1715 and /∞/ is supposed to be ahead of everyone technologically by a century at least. So they would have access to steam engines.
The ways this is balanced is through the fact that ironclads cannot operate outside of their island and they are strict isolationists. The later was already decided by polling that /∞/ would be a defensive and isolation country with only one or two ports open for trading.
Anything less would be an unfair nerf and we might as well roll everything back to the 1500s since the whole point of moving everything forward to close the technological gap.

>kronies believing their steampunk ships is technologically advanced
>/who/ comes in with magic powered stealth bomber firing enchanted armor piercing shells made of arcane alloys

>>19098301
Ironclads didn't even exist in 1815, the whole point was to reduce /infinity/'s tech advantage while allowing them to mantain their desired aesthetic. a higher amount of Clockwork allows this.

>>19097816
Okay I just got a little confused at the interpretation. /nasa/ might do some fortune telling with astrology. Though we don't know if we can apply Earth Zodiac to here.

>>19098546
Then we just move everything back to the 1500 hundreds are say no to all magic if you're going to be this anal.
>>19098505
Sorry /who/ you can blame this guy >>19098546

>>19098505
>>19094970
With magic we can actually keep up with and counter Kronie steampunk bs
Just load a mortar with a rapid aging spell and watch as their ships rust away
It'll be like warhammer. Bretonnian army of peasants drinking their goddess' bath water can somehow overpower Skaven with gattling guns

>>19098613
>Then we just move everything back to the 1500
NTA, but yes please

>>19098613
My good friend, i have offered a good solution to /infinity/ mantaining a non-gamebreaking tech advantage, and i have provided my reasoning for it. That is all.

It's /vt/ so schizo tech trope is a thing
Magic ley line internet exists with titanium arquebuses and eldritch human flesh tomes about making lasers

>>19098505
I'm trying to see where the tech level is finalized before i start planning out /who/'s technological development. I'm kinda prefering Enlightenment.

>>19098674
>Bretonnian army of peasants drinking their goddess' bath water can somehow overpower Skaven with gattling guns
Fuck you I lost a Skaven battle to Bretonnia once!
Inb4 git gud

>>19098724
It's nerfed into the ground to the point of being useless. It's a horrible deal to take.

>>19098674
Why do you want to go to war against us?...

>>19098861
KEK!!
>drinks Lady of The Lake's ringo juice
>kills rrats with a spoon

>>19098909
Balance purpose
Cant have every nation steamroll the other

>>19098977
Is this the Lunaito - Brrat war?

>>19098890
I disagree, from the scenario they would just be on the verge of a proto-industrialization and ahead of every other nation in the world. But from the looks of the discussion I'm not going to convince you. I have already stated my points.

Look at it from a writefag perspective
Pure reality or mixed fantasy
Which side has the best worldbuilding and storywriting potential?

Why do Kronies always hijacks the threads? I'm losing my patience with their shit and this thread might lose a representative. Choose a tripfag and let him and only him speak, for the health of this thread

>>19099135
We'll jsut have to DOUBLE our autism
hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

>>19098909
If they're going to try and power creep us, we can just counter by saying we have a Dimeritium mine on the northern island and can produce nullsteel.

>>19099018
But we just want to be left alone.

>>19098909
If it makes you feel any better, I just want to keep some of you as sex slaves.

LET THE ARMS RACE BEGIN!!!
Average /meat/ spec-ops viking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOX48CVUMMY

>>19099437
We could come to an agreement. Would you be interested in milk-addicted schizos for sex slaves?

>>19099596
As long as they're male, submissive, and skilled... I have no objections.

>>19099071
I disagree, it's already been stated that /∞/ is in the early part of industrialization and not proto, so they would have access to steam engines in order to maintain their steampunk aesthetic.
The compromise for pushing everything to the 1700th century was to close the technological gap.

If that's an issue for you then please enjoy this. It's the sound of the dice rolling.

Ok, I'm out. I won't say which nation this thread lost

>>19099659
Must not be important and easily conquerable.

Technically /nasa/ has a thermonuclear bomb if you rig the station's power supply right. We can only use it once as it wipes out the entire region. But that's a literal suicide option for the entire nation.

>>19099649
Our mindbroken schizos have been reeducated to serve their masters however they want! You just need to keep them chained and feed them Kronii Milk regularly, otherwise they would die

>>19099659
>I won't say which nation this thread lost
Then how do we know if we actually lost a nation?

>>19099745
Not exactly the ideal, but I suppose it's a fair enough deal. I'll take it, thank you.

>>19063244
the /hfz/ lore dump link is just the link to /uoh/ lore

>>19099752
>>19099712
We should send out another post to all splits about this project to see if they're still involved. Anyone who doesn't respond within 3-4 days forfeits their territory and it's turned into /schizo/ which is land controlled by no one and populated by bandits

>>19099968
Best to do that after the current situation has died down. Give it a week or two before saying anything.

As an ambassador for the HiRySian Empire, I would like to formally recognize the Creatividad region of northern Watson as an independent republic. Any attempt to de-legitimize the sovereignty of the newly formed Republic of Creatividad will be dealt with swiftly.

>>19099855
Now there's something we want to ask you in exchange. Kronies have heard that owl eggs are a delicacy. We are interested in adding them to our diet. Sex slaves and a supply of Kronii Milk for owl eggs. Do you accept?

>>19099721
I can't believe /nasa/ is the Israel of this world...
It all makes sense, Sana is Mel Brooks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wai7VFzycI

Don't worry, you'll notice which nation you lost, bye

See you tomorrow fag.

>>19100109
The exchange of the unknown product from /infinity/ popularly refered to as "Kronii Milk" has been banned in Respublika Owl, you will be arrested for illegal traficking and the Kronii Milk will be taken for Research and analysis.

>>19100292
Seizing our traders is an act of war.

>>19100292
If it was banned why would you accept buying slaves that require it for their sustenance? I thought hoomans were serious business partners.

>>19100281
I already filtered the thread, this is the last one were I'll be active

>>19100614
Slavery is also banned!, we have confirmed that such actors come from a smuggling ring from outside our borders
>>19100537
Your traders have not been seized, but merely an illegal actor from an unknown land. we can assure you that your trader will have a safe way home.

>>19100683
See you tomorrow fag.

>>19100109
>>19100292
>>19100614
>>19100761
Apologies, but I am not a Hooman nor am I operating in their territory...
I'm just a simple /meat/ enjoyer. Don't worry though, as I'm not planning to eat any slaves.

>>19100964
Ah, very well then, It is comforting to know that this will not cause any diplomatic incident, but ont the talk about trade... Are you perhaps interested in our republics potatoes? They are the perfect food and easy to conserve, I'm sure you can use them to accompany your nation's rations.

I hope /rrat/ didn't quit the thread. I haven't seen /rrat/ nor /uuu/ here lately.

>>19101185
Potatoes? Unfortunately, I don't think we have much use for those. From what I recall, our nation has an abundance of extraordinarily healthy and fertile land due to our manmade wonder.
I only wanted a personal purchase, I apologize for any confusion.

Speaking of /uuu/. Since /nasa/ moved it is now a shorter route to go through /uuu/ territory than through /rrat/'s mountains to trade with /who/. What will it take to grant safe passage through /uuu/?

>>19099657
Just give them the ironclads, I want us to be in the age of enlightenment.

I suppose we've entered another timeloop. This time about technology nerfs.

>>19103318
Technology buffs only.
Someone else got the thread ready?