/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>19001600
Black Company

I don't have all the facts but if Rushia really leaked sensitive internal information, I believe the punishment is appropriate.

>>19001600
>Do you think the punishment against Rushia is proper or too harsh?
Don't care not my waifu

shout out to all my nihongo niggas

>>19001600
FUCK RUSHIA

There are only antis here
Rushia did nothing wrong
Viva la Mikeneko

>>19001600
It's proper. They should have graduated her the moment she went full shizo. HoloJP was really never a concern for me. Only HoloEN. If hololive don't fuck over HoloEN, I don't care what they do.

>>19001600
The "Whore of Hololive" got what she deserved. She did the wrong thing by having a relationship in the first place, and then, she fucked up every chance she had to salvage her career by doing the dumbest thing she possibly could have.

Good riddance to bad news.

Hard to say without knowing exactly what Rushia did. It's clear she shared SOMETHING with Korekore, but we don't know what.

Still, I feel like Cover wouldn't drop Rushia unless they absolutely needed to. Rushia is one of their top earners after all, so they wouldn't fire her over nothing.

Rushia
Did
Nothing
Wrong

The unicorns won
It is a good day

Fucking Bitch deserved it

>>19001600
I think you should take your baby dick and low testosterone back the way you came.

>>19001600
i think she may have deserved it, terminations dont happen every day and cover wouldnt take this action if they thought they would lose a wrongful termination lawsuit afterwards

>>19001600
I don't know whether it is proper or too harsh.

I guess, however, that it is proper. Cover overtly took her side (in which case if they went black on her I feel they'd wring more out of her instead of terminating).

Bigger yabs that reached the public did not end in termination.
Most talents that are now gone were not terminated, but graduated. Aloe and Coco quit of their own volition, the chinese branches were closed because of international policy fuckups and pressure.

Even Suzaku and Kaoru were not terminated stating a violation of policy. This is most likely a hitomi chris tier yab.

>trusts Cover to clear her name
>doesn't
>trust kore to clear her name
>doesn't
>fucked over by both

She's dumb, but the only person in this that isn't actively malicious.

She broke contract. Hololive fired their biggest earn of supers with no mercy and dont care about the twitter fags, kind of Based.

>>19001600
stupid whore deserved it

>>19001600
She does not deserve it

>>19001600
it’s a nothingburger (nanimoborgar)

I'm kinda sad, but not surprised. It seems she fucked up big time for Cover to drop it's biggest earner just like that. Also, JP members reaction falls in line with that too, even super emotional Watame took it calmly.

I'm worried about retards spamming in chat of other members.

>>19001600
Probably deserved, I don't really know/ care. More worried about the awkwardness that will ensue after that, I hate it.

Rushia did nothing wrong, unironically
Cover is a black company

>>19001600
I feel only sadness about the situation. I'm worried about the effect it might have on other members.
I'm astonished Calli hasn't graduated yet.

The consensus is that Rushia is a manipulator and deserves everything she got. Also the fact that other members are really cold towards Rushia means that her colleagues hate her and she probably leaked their personal info.
I would love to see some screenshots from 5ch

I have literally never watched a single rushia stream, not even clips

>>19001600
she did it to herself

>>19001600
The punishment in appropriate if she actually leaked confidential company info.

In return, tell us what you guys think was the real reason she was kicked out. Surely it's not because of a discord message on stream.

everything is unnecesarily bad, everyone took this too personal and now we're here. Morally speaking, this isnt fair, from a company standpoint? its fair, which sucks because it doesnt have to be like this, it shouldnt.

>>19001600
She fucked up. I won't miss her or her unicorn fans. I hope they move on and get a better life.

>>19001600
Rushia should not have used company accounts to be in touch with her personal friends outside the company
She should not have shared logs from her company account to some drama youtube channel.

I do not want to say cover is 100% right, maybe they could have given her a warning or given her more training. But rushia did more wrong than cover this time.
I will still hope for the best for rushia. But I cannot say that what cover did was incorrect.

Rushia did nothing wrong. Ukraine clearly deserve it

She deserved it by talking to korekore, i dont know what else she thought was going to happen when engaging with that moron who only used her to make money. She broke the NDA so Cover was in the right in this situation. I bet they told her not to say anything and they will handle it but she just couldnt shut up.

This is a lesson for everyone when shit happens to you and the NDA wasnt broken keep your mouth shut and let the company handle it. She fucked up.

>>19001600 Checked
If she did leak it, that means she broke the contract, it's her fault. But, I do wish cover would've atleast let her have a goodbye stream

>>19001600
Considering that they publicly stated sensitive information leak, she fucked up majorly, and consequences of her fuck up will follow for other holos. Kicking her out for that seems like a mild response, they could probably sue her ass too.
Luckily, I was never interested in any of her content.

It's a shame it happened but it had to happen

>>19001600
We don't know all details. If she actually leaked information, she breached her contract and deserved to get terminated. But if hololive considered the chat message that referred to her as "mii-chan" to be the leak, then they're just trying to get rid of her and the drama and I don't think they're in the right.

>>19001600

What are they saying on 5ch?

>>19001600
>Do you think the punishment against Rushia is proper or too harsh?
I think Cover's statement is too vague, for me to really trust their official statement. Cover's past actions make me think they have Black Company tendencies, so I don't find their word very reliable, HOWEVER... Seeing Watame, Fubuki, and Flaire not being sad, heck energetic and cheeful right now, makes me think Rushia did get fired for legitimate reason.

>>19001600
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>>19001600
As far as we're aware, the only information leaked was Discord conversations sent to korekore to disprove the mafumafu thing. If it was that, firing her instantly is a big overreaction.

>>19001600
罰って何?俺は陰謀だけを見てる

>>19001600
Serious answer? I already lost respect for Cover with the Coco/HoloCN incident. I like Hololive members, bootlicking the company behind them is fucking stupid.

>>19001600
No sex having bitches are allowed on hololive.
Rushia will become a JAV star, thats more like her.

>>19001600

Tell them I'm going to impregnate Houshou Marine
She's going to have a sexy overseas guy as her husband
I'm already in Japan
When she graduates, you'll know
Senchou is my wife and I'm having nakadashi sex with her every day

>>19001600
Breach of contract is unforgivable, no matter if the intention was relatively good.

>>19001600
>Do you think the punishment against Rushia is proper or too harsh?
Hard to say, since it's unknown how big leaks she was sharing.
>Do you hate hololive now?
Nah. Nothing in my opinion changed.

>>19001600
It all fades to dust.
Goodbye, sweet friends

>>19001600
I hate both Cover and Rushia, they ruined my holotori collab today

>>19001600
She made bad decisions, she suffers the consequences of her actions. But just outright delete her is a bit harsh. She derseved to say farewell to her fans.

>>19001600
It depends of leak of information. If it's nothing, then it's too harsh. Though majority of kaigainikki is brand bootlicker, so they will just go:"She deserved it."

>>19001600
It was too harsh i think, a 1 or 2 month suspension would be better

>>19001600
>Do you think the punishment against Rushia is proper or too harsh?
The punishment is justified.
Do you hate hololive now?
No, but the situation has somewhat negativity affected my opinion of Hololive.

We want the rrat list of all the members with boy friends she sold to narukami or korekore. She's a whore who got what she deserved.

>>19001600
Forget our side, does your side have any reliable info of what Rushia actually did to earn a fucking termination? All we can do now is speculate, and /vt/ gets way too retarded when it's allowed to speculate freely about anything.

>>19001600
I don't care that much. 3rd gen is my favorite gen from Hololive but Rushia didn't have much synergy with everyone else. Her tsundere act with Marine is as forced as the one with Tamaki.
This incident also showed that she lack professionalism, it's not forgivable when your public image can change the lives of thousands of people. I hope she never get to be a public figure again.
This looks like a "one fuck up throw away 3 years of work" but it's not the case since according to Cover, she was leaking stuff for a while now. She didn't make any mistake, she was just herself, a piece of garbage.

I just hope it doesn't affect my oshi Kanata too much because they seems to be close.

>>19001768
Yeah I think that she must've either been close to mafumafu or korekore and sent texts with personal information (like management asked me to do this and that ), or she just went full menhera

>>19001600
Reaction from other members makes me think that the other holomems did not like Rushia and she deserved all of it.

>>19001600
I'm sad because all of this happened because she is stupid, her manager must be an retard, Cover just did what expected, if you mess it up this hard this is what happens. I hope that the retarded dramatuber gets what he deserves too

>>19001600
>Do you think the punishment against Rushia is proper or too harsh?
She violated her NDA/contract and did GFE without having the decency to do basic OpSec. She betrayed all her gachikoi and caused much anguish
so, yes. The fallout of her drama would have interferred with her colleagues streams and activity, keep in mind it has been what, 2 weeks now?
They are probably fed up of her nuisance.

>Do you hate hololive now?
No? They did the right thing as far as I can tell, anyone who is unreasonably upset lacks understanding or has never worked for a private
business. People can say their statement was an excuse, but to what end? It would make no sense if that were the case as other people have explained, regarding revenue and whatnot.
The cold reactions of her colleagues are very telling to the nature of what happened. It all gives the feeling she has fucked up severely.

The fucking dumbest aspect of this whole thing is the western 'mainstream' response to this whole thing, mindless simps and youtube
commentators who don't fucking understand the sitatuation and run their mouths as usual. World War 3 will be a good thing.
I imagine the sentiment is the same on 5ch? Please, do tell.

>>19002068
remember when cover sent lawyers to korekore? yeah, this is the fallout of that particular even. Hope this spells out things for you.

>>19002165
No. Her menhera power only go up when she doesn't stream

>>19001600
I say it one and i will say it 100 times more. It should have been Mori

>>19002149
This.
I find it hard to believe that whatever she leaked was so bad that she's just out without a like that. It also looks like there's an info clog about what everyone is actually allowed to say about it.
Rushia herself wasn't exceptionally close to any of the other talents but its still a bit cruel.

>>19001600
She was sharing sensitive and private information to korekore and cover terminated her for sharing private company info, she fucked up big time and it's pretty much her fault at this point

>>19001600
Too harsh, please forgive her.

>>19001600
lemme make your job easier
契約違反は自業自得。少々悲しいが、契約解除は適切な罰。

THIS IS A NIJI BOARD NOW HOLOFAGS FUCK OFF YOU NIGGERS

>>19002346
Kill yourself

>>19002190

>>19002277
The thing that sucks the most about all of this is that we'll never know the full story, ever. Unless Rushia or korekore wants to blab some more, which I doubt or they'll get in some real trouble.

>>19002346
consume lead you faggot

>>19001600
She got what she deserved

She's going to leak every Holomem's boyfriend and their addresses. Thousands will die in the upcoming week, Japan will be a NEET warzone.

>>19002379
Still using a holocuck pic. join us already, you know you want to nijisanji is right Arabians the corner to freedom

I don't think the boyfriend debacle was the reason she got canned. Isn't akirose married? It was probably something worse. Leaking info to friends and shit more than likely.

>>19001815
This. Companies don't want to make less money.
/thread /topic

>>19001600
To properly judge it I would need to know the extent of the contract breach (if there really was some).

But at the very least, firing her without letting her do a goodbye stream is harsh.

>>19002384
Okay, hololive isn't at all at fault here. Goddamn is Rushia retarded. I can't even believe this shit.

>>19001815
That's all that needs to be said. Companies don't want to make less money.

>>19001723
coco and the cancer she brought to this fanbase was a mistake

>>19001600
Timing too convenient, Cover trying to save their own asses and made up bullshit about an "ongoing investigation". They also didn't support her properly for handling this matter and seem to only have told her to sit down and shut the fuck up - which made her take matter into her own hands. Cover indirectly produced this outcome and now want to burn rushia as the witch while trying to cover their own asses as usual.
Covers upper and middle management should be beaten and flailed for their incompetence and black company practices, I don't buy their bullshit.

>>19001600
I love Rushia, but the punishment is fitting, the girls need to understand that their actions can hurt the company, leaking information is no joke.
I don't hate Hololive.

>>19002453
I will never join the dark side

>>19002384
Tragic really but also comedic in a way.
I hope the fandead find a better oshi.

>>19001600
I'm angry because she lied and also leaked info as well as giving special treatment to gachikoi
But I will also miss her, I really liked her
I'm just sad.

>>19002599
Actually delusional

>>19001600
Hope she kills herself, I lost money to that whore only for her to spend it with that alien-looking faggot femboy

>>19002384
Goddamn, all she had to do was just take a small break and not be an idiot, revealing personal info to bottom feeding drama youtubers. Yet, supposedly she wanted to leave anyways according to some drama youtubers.

>>19002042
This. Monoe leaving had sad Pika and TMSK, indicating a contract breach that mainly affected Gyari. FBKs matter-of-fact response makes me think Rushia leaks directly or indirectly screwed holomem or staff

>>19001600
I wish Cover had settled the matter behind closed doors and kept her as a talent, but I can't deny it's reasonable that they didn't want to be involved with her anymore after all of the dumb shit she's been doing ever since this started. If they could find a good legal pretext, I can't honestly blame them.

>>19001600
>Play ez-mode idol
>Still fuck it up
I have no sympathy, but if I'm honest I'm just enjoying the shitshow after the shocking revelation the simps idols were still just 3dpd, despite the masks they wear.

>>19001842
>trusts Cover to clear her name
>doesn't
>trust kore to clear her name
>doesn't
>fucked over by both
You got this shit the wrong way around. The problem was that her first fucking decision was to go talk to kore and give him everything.

She breached nda and got fired, that is like the lightest punishment she can get. She can get blacklisted or simply being sued for damages.

>>19002599
cope faggot cunt

>>19001600
I was a fandead, but it sounds like she brought this all on herself. Loose lips sink ships

I Honestly don't hate her nor care if she had a lover. Though I think if she really violated the NDA then her punishment is logical. I'm kinda sad that she'll be gone though.

Everybody is screaming, all at the same time.

>>19001600
Deserved. You don't treat NDA like a joke, if they let Rushia get away, the other members will treat their contract like a fucking toilet paper.
I doubt it's malicious but she's careless and stupid, probably even retarded.

>>19002502
Also, another thought I have:

While the info leaking was technically her fault, I wouldn''t really blame her. She must have been under a lot of stress because of the drama, and the accidental leak happened becase she was trying to clear her name. If Cover had her back earlier, this might not have happened at all in the first place.

>>19001600
A good backhand keeps the other whores in line

>>19001600
You will never be japanese, Billy.

>>19001600
Still love Hololive and still want Noel and Flare to have copious amounts of lesbian sex

what does this mean for the tamburine club

>>19002068
Which apparently doxxed non public facing Cover employees.

>>19003034
Cuck

>>19001600
all I know is that cover literally never covers for any of their vtubers. they're always super quick to make them leave the company the second they're bringing a bad press to the company. kiryu/haachama shit, aloe shit, now this.

>>19001600
I support Cover's decision to fire Rushia.
I'm glad that Sora and Fubuki support the decision too.
I love hololive.

>>19002937
LOUD NOISES

>>19002384
cucks will still say "black company"

>>19001600
My answer depends on whether she was fired for having a boyfriend or if she genuinely leaked personal information

>Do you think the punishment against Rushia is proper or too harsh?
If it was because of the bf yab then yes because cover made a public statement saying that the personal life of the vtuber is none of their business so why did they backtrack on that statement? Towa had a man's voice in the background and she still has her job, is it because rushia has a lot of gachis?

And if she leaked personal information with malicious intent then she 100% deserves it, but if she had sent a DM talking about some minor office politics or something that's not important then she should've got a 2-3 suspension.

>Do you hate hololive now?
If I find out that rushia was done dirty by cover then I'll lose respect to the management and just like the talent, because from Coco's incident my opinion on cover is positive because they sided with the talent, but if Rushia did leak private information then my opinion on cover or hololive would be positive.

>>19001600
It is far too cruel. There is no love in Hololive.
I don't believe Rushia would leak information of other members on purpose.
I think she leaked information only about Rushia because she wanted to clear her name.

I don't know if she was with mafumafu or not. But this outcome is far too cruel.
If COVER apologized and said they did not instruct their talent well enough about security, then aren't they partially responsible? Shouldn't they have took that into consideration?

I don't know how anyone can support Hololive from now on with a smiling face.

HAHAHAHAHAAHAAA

>>19002384
OK, so she's just retarded. Seems like Cover made the right move.

>>19003005
Regardless of what could've happened, as it stands, Rushia accidentally doxxed multiple hololive employees and broke her NDA. That it was caused by negligence is irrelevant.

>>19001600
Probably deserved, especially given the reactions of her genmates.

>>19001600
She needs rape correction

>>19002384
so can we have the video that's used as proof in this text? or nah?

>>19003189
>Rushia accidentally doxxed multiple hololive employees
Source?

>>19003168
>leak information of other members on purpose
Intent is irrelevant when it comes to NDAs. You break them in any way, you get the consequences stated in the contract.

>>19002384
OH WOW ! that is damming, she's lucky they aren't seeking further damages

>>19001600
I hate Hololive management for how they handled this situation. This could have been a genuine nothingburger but now it has spiraled into probably their biggest controversies with many people's names and livelyhood on the line. Japanese companies fucking sucks.

>>19003261
everyone points to the wall of text claiming she did as proof, but no one has shared the video that should be definite proof, or a backup if the video was taken down. there's no way a video like that doesn't have a backup burner account putting it on youtube so... where is it?

>>19002911
Dont let your mom see you posting bad words or she might cut your allowance

>>19001600
>proper or too harsh?
I lack critical info, not sure what cover meant with leaked information, I personally think they exagerated to justify their decision. So say she just talked to some third parties about her situation that didn't let cover fully contain the situation, then not deserved. But if she really sold info or something like that then maybe.
I really wish she could have reformated as a comedian chuuba, but what is done is done. Now the question is, is she retiring because she has money to do so? or will she never resurface because no company will take the risk of accepting someone who got exposed like that by Cover.

>>19003261
>>19002384
If you're so inclined, you can find the korekore stream yourself to confirm and if you can read japanese, you can even see the leaked information.

https://twitter.com/Vtubermatomete/status/1496802381572489219
Whatever Rushia did, was on the level of Hitomi Chris or worse

I think that Cover fired her because they actually hate her and are using "technicality" to fire her. It doesn't matter she brought in the most money it doesn't change that Cover hates her.

Cover is the EA of vtuber agencies.

>>19001600
あまりにも残酷です。ホロライブには愛がない。
ルシアがわざと他のメンバーの情報を漏らすとは思えない。
自分の汚名を晴らしたいからルシアの情報だけリークしたんだと思う。

mafumafuと一緒にいたのかどうかは知らないが。しかし、この結果はあまりにも残酷です。
COVERが「タレントへのセキュリティの指導が不十分だった」と謝罪したのなら、その責任の一端はあるのではないでしょうか?その辺の配慮も必要だったのではないでしょうか?

これからホロライブを笑顔で応援できる人がいるのかわからない。

>>19003382
This is Deepl
of this >>19003168

>>19003357
>everytime someone asks for the source
>bro just look it up bro it's that one video bro
>no one on 4ch has shown this video a single time despite how popular it should be

>>19001600
>Do you think the punishment against Rushia is proper or too harsh?
I think it's appropriate given the circumstances. Rushia messed up big time and is now facing the deserved consequences of her actions.

>Do you hate hololive now?
No, not at all. This has restored my faith and confidence in the company.

>>19001600
Eh, who knows if the punishment was proper from cover was appropriate. We'll never know the details.

I do feel bad that she gets shit on and ridiculed by thousands of strangers though, even though it was her own stupidity that ended her career.

>>19002862
yes, because cover didn't do anything to protect her for days on end. they just let the talents figure it out.
aloe ring any bells? suspended for 2 weeks because she talked about sex. the excuse was she left a test stream up.

>>19003138(me)
2-3 month*

She had to have done something wrong if even the most emotional members like Watame don't shed a tear over this. So far it's only really been EN reacting solemnly to the announcement. Fubuki not being upset is another sign that it's on Rushia.

>>19001697
ayo dis nigga speakin facts fr fr

>>19001600
Rushia got terminated for invading Ukraine.

I'm a simple guy. I just want to see cute girls doing cute things to distract me from tiring shits in life.
When I feel that it's no longer their priority and I no longer feel comfortable with that place, I'm out.

On the other hand, all of these shits also mean that there is lack of supports from Cover behind the scene.
If there was a reliable support behind the scene (whether it's emotional or technical), she wouldn't go to such desperate measures.

>>19003265
Where is the warmth from the Hololive I love?
Even everyone's reaction was cold.

Rushia deserves it but Cover is the one who should be responsive to this
Cover could handle the situation with Rushia much better
They can avoid this happening

>>19002585
So was your dad not pulling out.

>>19001961
She should have created a personal account to deal with outsiders, and all because of one notification her gig is ruined.

What could Cover do anyway? They already said the private life of talents was not their business when the drama started, it's not like making an announcement saying she is boyfriendless and virginal would have been a sane solution.

>>19003448
except it has been posted here multiple times, there were even multiple threads up about it when the korekore livestream was going on. just say you want to be spoonfed tourist.

>>19002035
Would like to know too.

>>19003632
damn weird how there's nothing about it being posted in all the current trending discussion, must be a real source drama friend

>>19003265
People make mistakes.
Rushia has never done anything to hurt the other members before. I am sure it was not on purpose.
I am sure she is sorry.
It shouldn't end like this. It is too sad.

feel what you feel for her right now, but for me she has made me smile, laugh and happy in the time that she has been with us. For the past 2 years worth of content she poured her heart and soul into. It can't all be for nothing. I will feel sad and devastated until I am no more.

>inb4 roommate channel
it will never be the same.

>>19001600
its proper punishment imo,she sold everything just to prove a point

what a fucking retard

>>19003686
fuck you tourist faggot but heres your spoonfeed anyway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBlDJTC09SU

>>19001600
if she leaked stuff to korekore, then it's gg. what i'm really interested in now are those dm's from gachikois. i don't think this is over yet.

>>19002068
I believe upon investigation, cover found that she used her work accounts for personal matters on more than one occasion, whereby she broke NDA multiple times, hence to them being very harsh this time.

>>19003686
because its against the board rules to leak or "doxx" fucking retard and the jannies are on the warpath banning everyone that does asap now
at least read the board rules reddit tourist piece of shit

>>19001600
>Do you think the punishment against Rushia is proper or too harsh?
I honestly don't know, but a business doesn't drop their biggest earner if they didn't royally fuck up in some way

>>19003466
>yes, because cover didn't do anything to protect her for days on end
???????
What fucking days?
She went to him literally the next day when he was having his stream, less than 24 hours after her GTA stream.

>>19003722
Ask the ones that make the laws, a company is not allowed to let these things happen as it makes grounds for things that endanger other companies too, NDA is srs bsbs. Getting fired over it is not even that bad, as you can get even lawsuits on you if you fuck up this bad.

Rushia can now just become an indepedent streamer, bringing her fanbase with her and still with all her millions in cash, all while making much more.

I feel sorry for her but in all honestly, there's no reason to be that sad, she'll be completely fine, it's not like she's moving to Ukraine

>>19003545
>>19003722
Business is business. If you make an exception for her, it would send a bad message to everyone else. I reiterate, intend does not matter. I'm sure she didn't want to cause any of this or put anyone in danger, but what she did is what she did. I also think it's sad and very tragic, but this is a legal matter. You can't compromise on this as a business.

>>19003731
Yeah, it's like Kagome and Kikyo, same soul but the character are not the same anymore.

>>19001600
How can we come to a conclusion if Cover will not even say the nature of what was leaked?
If it was just her conversation with mafumafu, then that is far too cruel.
I won't support a company like Cover that throws away it's talents over such small incidents.

>>19002937
KILL YOURSELF YOU FUCKING RETARD

>>19003968
>throws away it's talents over such small incidents.
Nothingburger ey?

>>19001600
she deserved it, it would be funny to see her trying to sue cover and get destroyed.

>>19003913
The problem is the sour taste it leaves behind. No fandead thought this is how she would leave the company at all, no ceremony no fanfare no nothing. Just terminated and forgotten like trash

>>19003968
It obviously wasn't or they wouldn't have made the initial statement. Its what she did after which no matter what is a yab.

>>19001600
事情は微妙過ぎて正しい判断が出せるのはアレだけど、俺的にはこれはやり過ぎたことなんだ。
彼女はメンヘラでストレスしすぎた状況の上に間違いを起こし、結果的に無慈悲に首になるのはやり過ぎ。けどま、彼女の間違いは俺たちが知っているよりやばいという可能性はもちろんある。

>>19001600
don't care about her at all but this long haired version looks pretty sex

>>19001600
I can understand her being out of the company albeit it still is shocking, but at least give her a proper graduation. She sacrificed too much just to be fire and forgotten...literally(the aloe treatment)

I just realized that none of what was said in this thread will make it to 5ch. This was just OP's way to lure out all those retards that are sympathetic towards Rushia and think that breaking NDA is a nothing.

>>19004153
I wish you newfucks would neck yourself, not it's nothing like Aloe's situation, Aloe did get a final farewell stream, followed by genmates stream and further more the door is literally still open for her, her channel is still active.

>>19003632
>>19003357
>>19003189
>>19003857
>>19003771
There was no personal info in that video other than Rushia's. What are you talking about? She didn't doxx anyone in that stream.

>>19003686
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBlDJTC09SU
Original stream is still up. I don't speak nip so I can't confirm shit myself.

100% proper punishment. You need to fuck up big time to get fired especially when you are one of the biggest cashcow of the company.

>>19002384
I believe this rrat, but here's the thing. What part of disproving the MafuMafu rrats required her to also doxx staff members? Like, isn't that basically the point where it crosses the line from fucking retarded to actually malicious?

>>19003331
Or at least translate some portions of the text? It’s already leaked to the Japanese, you might as well translate it.

>>19001600
1st. Bait
2nd. Post 5ch reaction screenshots

>>19003968
Cover can't legally provide the details, most likely

>>19004326
did any of you actually... watch this? like someone who knows nip, not hopium or doomposters. half the comments in the video aren't even about how other holomem's info is leaked; it's about how rushia's plans are leaked and cover fired her for it. who do I even trust, doomposters lie about everything but so do fans

>>19001600
>Do you think the punishment against Rushia is proper or too harsh?
It's hard to say since we don't know the details. I doubt they'd have fired her unless she leaked something serious, though.
>Do you hate hololive now?
No, it's just sad that things turned out this way.

>>19004308
you are literally quoting a post thats been banned idiot
take the hint and kys

>>19004365
>>19003357
>>19003270
>>19003187
>>19002564
Do you really think she meant to do it or do you think she forgot to censor their names because she isn't good with this kind of stuff? Why do think she did it on purpose?

>>19004308
the messages she sent korekore contained personal information of other hololive emplyees including non public facing employees. are you acting retarded on purpose? i don't get your angle here.

>>19002384
>the video itself only has japs confirming that she leaked nothing about others, just leaking her private life into her vtuber personality in the discussion with koretube
god this rrat is being ate up by people who love drama and people who don't know the situation

>>19003913
The company can do what it wants. They could have decided a more lenient punishment. Even something like a 6 month suspension. There are no laws that say they had to fire her, you retard.

>>19004634
given this whole situation stemmed from her shitty opsec practices ill bet she didnt think to redact the screencaps before she sent them

not that it matters, intent is not a factor when you breach NDA

>>19001600
I feel like this is the first graduation (or even major yab) where Cover did everything right

>>19004629
Fuck you retard. Go the fuck back. I'll quote whatever the fuck I want. There's no rule against that.

>>19001600
Whatever the reason, this is clearly an overreaction that is going to bring untold damage to the Hololive brand. You don't let go of one of your flagship streamers. Period.
If she was leaking info, you sweep that shit under the rug, and go back to business as usual to maintain the facade of unity.

>>19004365
She wasn't in good mental health and wasn't thinking straight, also likely didn't believe KoreKore would show the whole emails (which, well, is probably part of not thinking straight)

I doubt it was actually malicious. She's been going through drama shit for a couple weeks now.

It's definitely a big fuck up/bad decision that warrants firing though. I just hope she is going to be able to recover personally at this point, even if it was warranted professionally. Getting fired from a big company like this is very common grounds for suicide especially in Japan with their mindset about work and society.

>>19001600
>Do you think the punishment against Rushia is proper or too harsh?
Even though I liked her, she got what she deserved
>Do you hate hololive now?
No, I'll keep watching Miko, and other Hololive members, as usual
>I want to translate your opinions and post them on 5ch
Translate my condolences to the Fandead

>>19004827
But it IS a factor when the company is deciding what the punishment is, you brainlet.

>>19004882
there literally is lmao read the fucking 4chan rules

>>19004958
>also likely didn't believe KoreKore would show the whole emails
When did he show anything like that?

>>19005033
bro you dont just have an employee completely disregard one of their core responsibilities like that and let her off with a 3mo suspension

kys fancuck maybe she will join you afterwards

>>19004580
>>19004326
The single discord picture out of this video ir pretty irrelevant, most of the other stuff are screenshots from public pages
>But what about he said
he is defending rushia, but the problem is, he can speak whatever he wants but if theres zero evidence to back it up, then cover cant open up a lawsuit
are we sure -this- was the reason?

>>19001600
Just so you're aware, there are many Hololive antis here. Many fans of other companies come here and pretend to be Hololive fans while expressing their hatred.

>>19005033
you have to take into account that there could also be more that we don't know about. the korekore leaks obviously prompted cover to look into rushias social media accounts. it's completely possible they found other evidence that we don't even know about. just saying cover is acting too harsh when we don't even know the full extent of the problem is the real brainlet take.

>>19001600
Haachama actually said it better than I could ever say it
https://twitter.com/akaihaato/status/1496825018432765953?t=quDgOIuCXRdZ5EhrjiQBlQ&s=19

>>19005101
why is no one watching the video when it's literally here in the thread? there's no leaks of other people's private info, or whole emails. just pictures of discussion and chat leaks that affect rushia only, not other members. holy shit the amount of false info being spread is disgusting, all this to protect a company lol

>>19005144

Rushia dead body should be displayed on the streets of Japan

>>19003915
>Business is business.

Gura cute

>>19005249
So nips have no idea either of what happened huh

>>19005217
We can only judge by the informations provided to us. When new information gets added the consensus can be revised but as it stand I too would say it's fucking harsh.

>>19001600
No. Should've sue her ass and took all her money for all the backstabbing she've done through out the years

>>19001600
>Do you think the punishment against Rushia is proper or too harsh?
Depends on if she was honest or not about her relationships and GFE.

If all of this was a misunderstanding and Rushia panicked to clear her name the punishment is harsh.

If she was just manipulating men and trying to cover her ass then it was 100% deserved.

>>19001600
Personally? I think it was too harsh. She wasn't in her right state of mind when she leaked to Korekore. Professionally? Cover was well within their rights to fire her ass. She signed a contract with them that stipulates what she can and cannot do as an affiliate of theirs. Leaking confidential information is definitely a no-no and she did it anyway. Mental illness or not, rules and rules and ought to be enforced. I feel sorry for her but I understand why it had to be done.

>>19005249

I get the need to sanction russia but to fire rushia aswell is a bit much

>>19005325
you can say what you want, but at the end of the day you're just a consumer and what you say has no real impact on the company or their actions. if you want to vilify them when you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, be my guest.

>>19005180
She didn't completely disregard it. She made a mistake and is bad with computers.
She was also under more stress than she's ever been and COVER did nothing for her.
They could've decided whatever punishment they wanted, faggot.

>>19001600
I believe she deserves a proper graduation but she deserved other punishments. I'm tired of society protecting woman from the consequences of their actions.
I hope Mori is next. She admitted using drugs and leaked company secrets to Trash Taste but Hololive doesn't care about EN yabes. Hopefully this will change the attitude.

>>19004749
doxxing your co-worker, your manager and everything inside company that shouldn't be know to the public (even it's unintentionally) gave you fired, anon.

I'm sad that we lost Rushia but it can't be help when she's done fuck up herself.

And this firing has nothing to do with the that mafumafu also.

>>19005416

>>19004951
dumbass how do you sweep something under the rug that's already out in the public. Actually not just any member of the public, a dramafag youtuber of all things.
If the other talents had their private shit released because of her incompetence what fucking unity do you expect. Each and every one of the holomems would be fucking destroying her behind the scenes.
She put her employers and workmates in a situation where they were fucked either way. Keeping her around at this point isn't worth the hassle.

Keep her around and she's bad for morale and she's not going to be earning enough to have to deal with the drama especially with her menhera episodes on her other accounts.

>>19001831
I still wish we could know what happened with Chris..

>>19005416
charge your phone faggot

>>19003376
FWIW I hear that EA is a good place to work and employees like it. It's just consumers that rage against them.

>>19001600
i'm sad rushia won't ntr me anymore

>>19005462
the prescribed punishment for breach of contract is termination nigger

>>19005144
>ブラック企業
kek. Now they will know how retarded we really are

I'm done with cover. I'm boycotting them entirely and I'm done with the fans as well. Nothing but corpos and CONSOOMers

個人的にはキツすぎると思いますが、カバーが何故こんな事をしたのかは分かる。ルールはルールだ。それをどんな理由であれ、破ってわいけない。彼女はメンタルが弱いとは言え、ルールを破った。仕方ないことね。可愛そうとは思うけど。まぁ彼女の新しいチャンネルを応援するよ〜

>>19004326
The discord shot is just of a friend list. For EOPs:
>pekora
>haachama
>ayame
>shion
>korone
>mafumafu
>aqua
and finally an "ishikawa"

>>19001600
>Do you think the punishment against Rushia is proper or too harsh?
it was too harsh, cover wanted her to lay low for a moment but the situation escalated way to fast mafu and kore were giving out statements that were painting her in a bad light and she only wanted to defend herself
but she contacted kore with her company account which got her terminated.

>>19001600
I am a simple rushia fan. I will support rushia wherever she goes. Cover punishment is not my concern.

>>19001600
If she broke the NDA then that's it.
I'm not gonna cry over someone that did something that stupid, and fumbled the easy money she was making over some retard.

Cover defended her over the boyfriend yab, as they should have, but obviously she's a threat to people's safety if the info she leaked was bad enough that they booted her.

It shows that she's willing to throw people under the bus to save her own ass.

The only people I feel sorry for in this situation are fandeads.

>>19001600
Without knowing exactly what she did, I will lean towards it being too harsh.

>>19005217
>Actually, not assuming the worst without evidence is stupid

>>19005619
THE Ishikawa? Holy shit, no wonder she got blasted into orbit. I can't believe it.

>>19001600
>Holodeath
>Causes the death of hololive
S-sugoi

>>19005182
>he can speak whatever he wants but if theres zero evidence to back it up, then cover cant open up a lawsuit
I mean, if the stuff he's saying is actually true and he actually got the information from Rushia, that is an issue of breaking NDA, regardless of whether or not he could prove to his audience that the information was legit.

>>19005217
>It's POSSIBLE there COULD be more so they definitely should have fired her.
Next, you'll say we should just make up our own information.

No, assuming there is more that we don't know about when there's no evidence of that happening and they never mentioned anything about there being more is the brainlet take, you final-form retard.

>>19001600
They were being gentle with her. She deserves worse.

>>19001600
Konnichiwa 弓足 nip welcome to /vt/roon. Just letting you know that you won't find any useful insight here, as this is a containment board for mentally-ill kaigayniki fujoshi antis.

>>19005424
I'm gonna cuck the whole world
And there is nothing you can do about it

>>19001600
I hope SEEEX art of Rushia never stops.

we (the non-cuck posters) hate her because she's used goods

>>19005713
Kek

>>19005455
Did you try to feel smart by pointing out the obvious or what lmao. I'll vilify them because cover has proven for years now to throw their talents under the bus and this shit falls just in line with how their upper management operates. You retarded reddit tourists are really clueless.

>>19005462
all she had to do was literally nothing. sit back until the drama dies down, tweet out the cover mandated PR tweet, and return stream a week or so later. she's the one who chose to act stupidly and put her company at risk. cover is just covering (no pun intended) their asses. she has proven herslef to be a brand risk.

>>19001600
Should have actually killed herself, that way she would be a martyr instead of a suicide baiting whore.

>>19001600
Love rushia
Love the holos
Hate cover
Hope some crazy jap stabs yagoo on the street

People say she is dumb for what she did, she is just a malicious bitch.

Well you farmed a lot of (you)s
>>19001600

>>19005940
(OP) replies don't count as (You)s, that's omega easy mode.

>>19001600
if it is true that she shared sensitive information with outsiders she should be punished
but, we don't know all the details so it might have been a genuine mistake by Rushia

I have doubts about the managers of hololive talents. Why didn't they keep her on a tighter leash to prevent this?
Also, Mori Calliope is a menhera drug addict

Why not just reskin her? They've got the extra models laying around.

>>19002384
>NNNNOOOOOOOO we mangers don't want to get shit on by Rushia's fans too
>So what if we're assholes to Rushia that's our business not yours
>NNNNOOOOOOOO WE'RE HHHHUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNN TOOOOOOO

All this so Cover could save face. Fuck these fags.

Dear 日本ニキ,

I have a very important message about our feelings. We might argue about Rushia, but we all agree on one thing here.

WE LOVE HAGS. OHHHH GOD I WANT TO MARRY LUI. I WANT TO IMPREGNATE MIO AND START A FAMILY TOGETHER WITH HER. I DONT THINK YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH WE DREAM OF HOT PASSIONATE SEX WITH BOTAN.

kind regards,

海外ニキ

>>19006059
she contacted Kore Kore and gave everything to him (at the same time as mafumafu) before she even contact her manager.

How COVER at fault here?

19005927
(You)

>>19005521
>And this firing has nothing to do with the that mafumafu also.
>Rushia panicking trying to clear her name has nothing to do with her panicking to clear her name.
The only way these things aren't related is if she got fired for her leaking to narukami.

>>19005144
>>19005249
>>19005527
>>19005416
スマホちゃんに食べさせてください!

>>19006095
you must have some long arms to be able to reach that far anon

>>19001600
She is basically "The Shio" of Hololive now... She will NOT be missed.

>>19001600
put me in their screencap

>>19001600
I'm not going to say whether or not the punishment was appropriate for her but Rushia was my introduction to hololive. Turns out this yab wasn't a nothingburger after all...

>>19001600
if she really leaked a lot of sensitive information then she deserved it, no matter how much i want her to stay. it's vexing but you gotta be professional.

>>19001600
Cover Corp has a serious problem with toxic leadership

I never cared what Rushia did behind the scenes. I never watched her regularly but when I did I liked her screaming schtick. She was like the tyler1 of hololive.

I also thought she was terrible to act under pressure and I felt this whole thing could have been prevented if she just stayed cool about it and not freak out and do something drastic.

>>19001600
You did right thing.

Want the same thing to happen to Mori

>>19001600
You Japs are heartless bastards to make a woman cry.

>>19002585
this, nothing good ever came from it

I hate cover but what they did here was fair and just, rushia was stupid for doing all this and her fans are all equally retarded

>>19001600
Based and black pilled

To lose one top superchat earner may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness.

>>19006562
the only carelessness here was rushias shitty opsec practices

>>19001600
I don't believe you. But if you leak information about your coworkers then you are retarded, simple as.

I translated and posted 4chan's opinions but 5ch is too fast to get many reactions
Thanks anyway 4chan

>>19001600
>Controversy is dying down?
>Terminate her and spread disinformation.

Unironically hope Cover offices get kyoanied. Then at the memorial service for the survivors they get kyoanied again.

>>19001600
Her intent made sense but the fact that she had room temp IQ fucked her over

Cover did nothing wrong. I can only hope the leaked info doesn't come back to harm the other holos in any way

>>19006893
They think we’re mean but understand why

>>19001765
This is dripping with loser neck beard energy.

>>19002322
If she’s risking the safety and livelihoods of her co-workers over relationship drama, then she deserves to be axed. Betrayal isn’t cool.

>>19005619
That was from long ago, and it's last dm list

>>19007011
This is dripping cuckold bootlicking simp energy

>>19001600
I think its proper.
Rushia has always been unhinged and its right that she was the one who done herself in.

>>19005874
Russia might do so then cook his corpse on his pizza oven and serve it to his wife and kid

>>19002267
>WW3 over reaction to vtubets

You're unhinged, touch grass

>>19001600
>I came from hololive board on 5ch to know what kaigainiki think
Hello there fellow jp-niki, enjoy your stay and buckle up, shit is chaotic here, you can read other comments here btw
>Do you think the punishment against Rushia is proper or too harsh?
Looks like proper to me JP anon, she leaked some infos about people who work in cover, the talents, and maybe some "important" infos in hololive or anything about cover itself, that would really seem somewhat like a potential threat to their privacy/safety etc, looks like she failed that NDA with that info was she supposed to protect.
>Do you hate hololive now?
I don't think so in this incident, sure I hate dem sometimes, but for me, they just did what is right and what is in the contract between the corpo and the chuuba, they can just replace her with a talent that is sane, has professionalism, and can deliver (better?) GFE content versus lucier
>I want to translate your opinions and post them on 5ch
Sure, go ahead for my comment, and also give me a shoutout for fellow JP nikis there in 5ch

Yeah, fuck me... but I am no fandead lol

Cover should burn to the ground. Fuck this garbage company. I'm never watching them again. I'm never watching vtubers again. Fuck these monsters who throw away their friends like dirt. There were never any bonds in Hololive.

"kom susser tod" has never been more applicable.

she should sing that as a goodbye stream.

>>19007311
Incredible anon. Now kill yourself for celebration!

>>19001600
tell them if marine's caught having a boyfriend i'd hang myself and stream it. JPniki can watch if they want.

>>19001600
Ukraine did nothing wrong. Rushia should be met with military retaliation.

>>19003082
You might need a dictionary lil buddy

>>19007311
>Fuck these monsters who throw away their friends like dirt
yeah, fuck rushia

>>19007350
I might. For some reason I had thought vtubing was special. The fans and the talents. People that cared for each other. Now I realize they're just as worthless as all the other humans on this planet. What's the point anymore.

YWNBJ

>>19007496
underageb& or manchild. either way, grow up faggot.

>>19006986
>mean
more like strict

>>19001600
Not really. According to the information available at the moment, the information leak is real, so rushia got itself into trouble.

>>19001600
I want Cover to give more details on what happened.

>>19007463
Cope

Goodbye

>>19001600
nice bait
i dont see the thread on 5ch

>>19007496
Make sure you lay down some tarp around you so they can clean you up easily

>>19001768
from what i'm seeing, reading between the lines on japanese twitter, it looks like she was telling people outside the company which girls were actually dating men, and who they were dating.

if true, she completely deserved to be fired.

>>19001600
she deserved it for betraying her loyal fans

>>19001600
It's probably good that Cover distanced themselves from this. It only makes them look bad.

It will hopefully give her biggest gachikoi some self reflection on the problems with having a deep relationship with a Virtual Youtuber.

It's bad that sankisei, which was the strongest JP generation, is now reduced to 4 holomems, like yonkisei and gokisei.

Ultimately, it's a big thing to happen in Hololive, but I don't watch the main Hololive JP members much, since I can't understand them, so it doesn't affect me as much.

I do still love Hololive, and I love all of the Hololive members.

I still like the 4chan Vtuber threads too, and I still like reading translations of 5ch Vtuber threads

>>19006120
BASED AS FUCK

>>19006149
what part of 'keep her on a tighter leash' do you not understand?
have management wrangle these tards even harder to make them keep their mouths shut and turn off the computer when shit hits the fan
pic related btw

>>19001600
It's a nothing burger, I'm sure rushia will be playing minecraft with Marine and Pekora next week.

>>19001600
It's hard to judge without knowing what was going on behind the scenes. If my oshi caused a similar problem, I would hope she'd at least get a graduation stream. Then again, Rushia's roommate went full menhera, so it's just too difficult to judge. Rushia clearly made a big mistake by showing her discord notification on stream, and the way she handled it was even worse. From Cover's perspective, it might have seemed likely that she'd mess up again sooner or later, so I understand and respect their decision.

>>19007735
Is carbon monoxide really so much worse than shotgun to the head? I was always under the impression you just become sleepy and pass out.

>>19001600
What I gather is she doxxed several of cover's employees, probably by accident, and I don't know what cover should have done in this situation.

>>19007894
actually i agree this all could have been avoided if rushia was moved to yagoos dungeon as soon as the mafu leak happened

>>19001600
Tell them that as far as Hololive is concerned we, the chans, always win and normalfags always lose.
Unicorns = based
Cuckolds = cringe
And if the unicorns are betrayed, you can bet your asses that the whore responsible is going down with them.
This is our vow, our creed and our testament.

BANZAI!

>>19001600
I don't care that much, but her fanart was really cute and it's a shame there won't be much more anymore. Her kimono was especially great, it's too bad there weren't many art of it

>>19007914
a-anon...

I mean a contract is a contract, leaking shit to japanese keemstar was a braindead move, no matter how desperate she was to clear shit up.
Should she be instantly sacked for it? I would think a hiatus to train her to not be retarded would be better, but what do i know.

do you nihonggo niggas eat beans?

Hopefully the situation ends here and she can become an indie without too much problem (doubtful considering all the antis and trolls). She's going to need dozens of moderators on her new account, but she should be able to get some fans that can do that

>>19006120
king

>>19007914
lol

>>19001600
vtubing is a business

MafuMafu won.
He's dancing right now:
https://youtu.be/7RnIEqO9veM

>>19001600
I mean if it's really an NDA breach technically firing her is not wrong. The other members reactions make it sound like it was really bad too. But I also think Cover should have given her more support behind the scenes so she wouldn't go full panic mode searching for drama youtubers.
I honestly don't think she did it out of malicious intent but she was desperate trying to fix a misunderstanding so maybe they could have let it slide but again I don't know how sensitive the info leaked was.
The only one I hate in this whole situation is the drama vtuber.

>>19003082
it's ok when it's two women

>>19008006
as someone who almost died of electrocution, that list is bullshit. it's nowhere as agonizing as it's placed on that list.

you will get many fake and funny answers OP

>>19006135
>otakmori

>>19006893
translate this

t.chumshart

>>19009025
you know you can google translate with pictures right?

>>19007914
someone needs to explain to the nips what a nothing burger is.

>>19003631
The correct response was to get someone to her right away and to brief her in person on what to do and what not to do. Just a simple "we're taking care of this from here on out, take a short break, rest up" and it should already disincentivize making moves like the one she did make. Maybe make her come in to the company during the break time to keep an eye on her as well. The two key points are to not let her be alone as much as you can and making sure that she knows she won't need to do anything.

It's an easy fix, really.

>>19001600
[これはdeeplを使用して翻訳されています。]
>Do you think the punishment against Rushia is proper or too harsh?
彼女はミスを犯したが、解雇される筋合いはないし、訴えられる筋合いもない。
>Do you hate hololive now?
COVERの透明性のなさが気になる。
YAGOOはどこにでも顔を出すくせに、こういう事件が起きると顔を隠すところが嫌いです。

>>19001600
Cover had to do it, since she went to multiple dramatubers, and the precedent they would set if they didn't react would cause a lot of bad things later on.
I don't have a horse in this race because I'm not into Holos, but one bad thing I can see from this is reddit niggers going even harder against idol culture, since they already blame it for many things. For example the huke crossbow drama, which was actually started by minecraft autists being mad about it having impossible(and not working) enchants cheated onto it, but then became a pretext to attack idol culture fans by shifting the blame on them by claiming the drama is just about huke just visiting the server.

It's hard to judge the harshness, because we don't exactly know what she leaked to korekore, was it just a badly cut screenshot that showed other workers' @'s ? Obv leaking ever her private messages was a breach of contract, but without more knowledge i cant say if she deserves to get instantly yeeted. But im pretty sure cover was kinda looking for an excuse and was not in the mood to be lenient. Even if she didn't leak anything super substantial, going to a drama channel to 'clear up her name' instead of just shutting the fuck up is a clear sign she's a liability.

What kind of doujin will drama inspire?

>>19009351
i can't believe cover didn't tell her something like that, shutting the fuck up in case of any drama is the standard procedure, she had to know that, the fact that she started contacting dramafags anyway is a big red flag against her, and cover probably just lost patience.

>>19009351
>>19009722
should cover have told her to stfu? yes. did they? we will probably never know. is it bad if they didn't? not really, the talents are independent contractors even though they are treated like employees. they are responsible for themselves at the end of the day. not to mention that not spilling tea to drama channels SHOULD just be common sense.

>>19010172
like, im pretty sure they have some standard procedures drilled into them, especially after so many yabs, and im pretty sure "shut the fuck up" is the first step in each of them.

>>19010172
They have been through this before anon, it's already in their number 1 guidelines when dealing with drama
1. Shut the fuck up and wait for the company to response. Don't tweet anything, don't say anything, seek consultation with the management FIRST.

>>19001600
Everyone are now blaming the Japanese for supporting Russian invasion against Ukraine with #WeLoveRussia and #ThankYouRussia, you want to start some 1945 shit again? explain yourself sushi

>>19005513
Why would it change the attitude, though? Rushia had a veneer of innocence, most of the Jap Holos do, whether you buy in or not. ENs don't for the most part, and their fans certainly don't hold the same standards for them. The attitudes are different, the circumstances are different, the environments are different.

>>19002585
Cope. I hope more changes happen