/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Oops feel free to make a new thread with the /vtwbg/ - VTuber Worldbuilding General in the subject

LORE SCRAPS (NEED EXPANDING):
Micomet/Pekomiko: >>16981948
/vtsings/: >>16982525
/.../: >>16982630
/voms/: >>16982692
/become/: >>16983583
/ringo/: >>16983646
/towa/: >>16984836
Luknights: >>16998218
/yeah/: >>17178895
/nasa/: >>17705860 >>18139486
risu: >>17769431
rushia: >>17773117 >>18221894 >>18242592
watson: >>17083071
fetish lands: >>17201798 >>17225384
/asp/: >>17205063
/hag/, /uoh/: >>17217315
Resources: >>17044886

The land that was: >>17655643
Nuetralfag Doc: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iO5tK2PPSZjFTEE8fbIS8S6bE7af1F6zCGhMZU4oRkE/edit?usp=sharing

Lore proposals
>>17154357
>>17217671
>>17218134
>>17436688
>>17599615
>>17654314

Invitation Letter: >>17767181

>/svt/ request
>>18695373
>>18696693

maybe we should try to get the next thread ready before the thread dies so that we have more than enough time to compile, and a smaller area to scour for new lore. just a thought.

>>18911280
>397 posts at previous thread
Did something good happen?

>>18912104
nuefag got disposed

http://poal.me/4xkb9m
http://poal.me/4xkb9m
http://poal.me/4xkb9m

Here's an older poll about putting Kronies on their desired island, in their agreed upon territory.

So how do we know what natural resources we have? I know if you're in a right biome then you have at least wood and clay. But how do you prospect your region for minerals?

>>18913686
probably have to wait for the tectonics

>>18913876
/nasa/ just needs some proper iron to get started. Steel should be strong enough to make the tools we need to rebuild some infrastructure. Though we'll also have to import sand to make glass for greenhouses. Not sure how far we can get with a hundred people and bread dogs.

Kronies are shit. Bitching all the thread. I hope you all kill yourselves
Nuetralfag, don't leave. You were useful for the map

>>18914738
We wouldn't bitch if we got what we compromised for in the zone we were promised :)

>>18865696
Anon who made the maps in >>18890267 here. I threw together a quick edit drawing in the nations' borders based on the map in the OP. Hope this is what you were looking for.

>>18914863
Not that anon who asked for it but thanks, good work anon!

Whatever thing your niggers ever want, I'm going to always be opposed. You took control of a thread and made it shittier by making someone that was helping ALL the map and not just a country leave. People agreed at the time to let him organize things and you niggers somehow think that YOU, the Kronies, ONE FANBASE have the right to discard all his decisions and "dispose" him. I hate you so much, fucking retards

I'm gonna continue making lore for my thread desu

>>18915337
>I'm going to always be opposed
Why would you suggest something against what was already agreed upon weeks ago, the island compromised for three times, and then still try and out us elsewhere when most of this place supported us?

You wouldn't be opposed if it wasn't you trying to suggest against what most people want

>>18915830
I was supporting you niggers, but after the mess you people made the last thread and after making an organizer leave, I'm going to be opposed to everything you people do

>>18916007
Why are you mad at people for fighting back against your tripfag? Maybe if he stopped trying to force us into his headcanon we wouldn't have shit up the thread. And fuck off, I was trying to be calm and tell other Kronies to be calm for the past several threads. You're letting 2 or 3 schizos affect your perception of a whole general, one who has been constantly contributing in a healthy fashion before this all happened, mind you

Has anyone brought up the idea of national anthems? It might be interesting to have them.

>>18916357
Interesting! I suppose that can fall under lorefagging, which everyone can probably start doing now

>>18916230
>>18915830
Stop responding to Jeese.

>>18916230
Because that tripfag was helping a lot and he helped to organize the fucking mess that was all of this before he came and he's not here anymore. I suspect he came from another board and that's the reason why he was neutral or at least relatively, since he didn't have any stakes on any general from /vt/, but since he came from another board, he will never come back to help again and it's the Kronies' fault
I will not give this shit a pass
>>18916774
Shut up retard, I'm not your fucking schizo from /infinity/, I already contributed to the map by writing lore about my general

>>18917064
Again, maybe he shouldn't have tried to backpedal twice on promised territory and refuse to let us use the island we already compromised for.

Besides if all he was here for was neutrally ending territory disputes, and the map is 99.99% complete, then his work here is done. And if he couldn't even neutrally end the dispute for Kronies despite a majority of the thread supporting our claim, than he was doing a shit job

>>18916357
Some have posted their theme songs, which might be better than actual anthems anyway

>>18917310
He was helping with other things too, the Google doc for example. Someone needs to paint the fucking island too, and there's two versions of the map. The normal one and the one that has old feelings. Someone needs to go to the archives and dive for them and do the old feelings map again but with the fucking /infinity/ island since they were fighting among themselves when that happened and didn't finish the island in time for that thing. I don't know what settings nuetralfag used when making those maps
Whatever, this is a black spot on the Kronies for me, and I hope this is a cautionary tale for whoever reads this shit about them. They are shitheads

>>18918261
He fucked up multiple times doing his job that's in his literal name. So the people affected called him a retard because he was being retarded. Now if he's so thin skinned he can't even take that here on 4chan of all people, then this would've happened sooner or later.

>>18918707
Well, all the data he compiled in the Google doc is not working anymore. So, thank you Kronies once again

>>18918901
Me and another Kronie have been contributing a lot and trying to keep other Kronies calm. If your tripfag didn't flounder this many times, no one would've thrown a bitch fit. This is 100% on him and if he's this thin skinned any other fandom would've caused him to leave eventually

I'm genuinely sorry some Kronies shat up your thread but I'm not sorry if that's all it took to scare away the tripfag

>>18919026
>This is 100% on him and if he's this thin skinned any other fandom would've caused him to leave eventually
No, the Kronies were mocking him and pressured him to leave and probably raiding the fucking thread to push their opinions. I don't think any other fanbase would've done the same thing your ilk did. Kronies are cancer and I will oppose to anything they propose from now on

>>18918901
>tries to refuses adding the original Kronie island on basis of it changing climate
>climatefag works out it would actually not have an impact
>grants the island, but proceeds to move it elsewhere to satisfy his headcanon of gens being grouped together, stating that climate changing as result is "insignificant issue"
no, he was a faggot from the start and neutral about as much as schizos are medicated

without neutralfag, are we gonna revert back to zone anarchy? Because fuck we were so close to the finish line...

>>18919390
If he didn't fuck up so many times like the post below you pointed out, he wouldn't have been mocked and pressured to leave.

And if he fucked up this many times over something like this, you should want him off your project too.

Just give the clock cucks their island
Lets end this phase and move on

>>18919442
No, the work he already did WILL be honoured.

>>18919412
>from the start
He wasn't until you people started to harass him, and he WAS neutral but when your kind started badmouthing him with the greentexts, like you are doing now, he obviously will start to feel opposed to the Kronies' ideas. This is all the Kronies' fault for not behaving

>>18919642
>try to not honor old agreements
>try to force them into the mainland despite having claims in sea territory long before other council splits had their maps
>try to ignore old agreements a second time
Any fandom would've """misbehaved""" you fucking ninny.

>>18919581
this.
give the kronies their island, let's go back to lore posting.
Time might heal all wounds but for the foreseeable future, I will never write a single lorepost involving a kronie. Now I understand why your writefags left you.

>>18919899
They didn't though, they just sexpost and lorepost now.

>>18919775
No fanbase would've done the same shit Kronies did. Don't try to put all of us on the same bag, you Kronies are niggers
>>18919899
I agree with this btw

>>18919642
he started the conflict by attempting to throw out the work our lorefag put into this project. After we tried to argue to keep it and even had support from rest of the thread, as proven in the poal at the start of the thread, he proceeded to change the position just to satisfy HIS vision and contradicting his previous reasoning, disregarding our lore and work.

>>18919972
So other fanbases are cucks that would've let a self appointed tripfag disregard previous statements, agreements, and reasonings for no fucking reason.

Yeah you know what, don't write anything involving us, you fags would make it lame as fuck

>>18920029
it's agreed then m8.
Finalize your island in the east

>>18920029
>self appointed tripfag
Everyone agreed at the time, you fucking nigger
>>18920005
Poals are worthless, the Kronies outnumber anyone here

https://files.catbox.moe/09acn1.png
It's done, one of /infinity/'s drawfags was kind enough to finalise the island in the east and reworked it to match the rest of the map's artsyle. Is this acceptable to you /vtwbg/?

https://files.catbox.moe/09acn1.png

World map including finalized island design for Infinity. Aesthetics were revamped to better meld with the rest of the map. Size made to fit better based on feedback from other anons. Geography altered to not be too standout.

>>18920161
What about the names and the colors? That's what nuetralfag was doing too

>>18920211
Ah... Well... You see... Fuck me.

>>18920117
are you gonna address any other part of my argument beyond the poal?

>>18920211
We already used his map though, to make this one. What else do you need us to add?

>>18920211
>>18920240
Alright im on it. what do i need to do?

t.said drafag.

>>18920268
This >>18918261
>Someone needs to paint the fucking island too, and there's two versions of the map. The normal one and the one that has old feelings. Someone needs to go to the archives and dive for them and do the old feelings map again but with the fucking /infinity/ island
I didn't include the colored and labeled map but that is also in the archives

>>18920268
I'm not sure it's something a drawfag can do, nuefag was using a map editing program to do all this.

See:
>>18787747

>>18920262
No, because this discussion is worthless without nuetralfag here

>>18920268
Use this map,
>Add /∞/ to where it was and make it light blue.
>Remove /ouro/
>change /∞/'s old position to be /nasa/
>change /nasa/s old position to be /rbc/
>change /rbc/'s old position to be the schizo wastelands.

>>18920438
That's one if the first complete versions. There was another one with less colors and prettier

>>18917310
he was listening to your demands, after a while he ended up modifying his expectations and making a map for you in an attempt to appease your demands when it was the other way around before. that made people support you. neutralfag still had valid concerns that you dismissed offhand without even listening to. his one fuck up, not informing you that the map was being finalized, would have been solveed if you guys payed attention to the thread, and although you say there was a promise, you have repeatedly refused to show anywhere where there was a promise. only him being open to it if you made some changes. now you seem to not be willing to make changes, so what differentiates you from a random shitposter who wants to derail our threads? if neutralfag has allowed you this much, what could he possibly say to deny some random shitposter in the future from doing the same thing? he left because he already caved in and gave you an inch, you call him a dictator for being concerned when you took a mile. even still, you neglect and wave away these concerns for purely personal reasons, choosing to demean feedback rather than explain clearly how these concerns could be solved, while at the same time framing the justification in a way that only further strengthened the potency of the problem. i know you don't represent all /infinity/ so if you are Jesse, and you are trying to make everyone hate /infinity/, then you at least haven't convinced me, even if it seems too many people have been.

>>18919581
i am opposed to spoiling children who throw temper tantrums or >bitch fits.

>>18919775
>lie about a supposed promise
>>imply tyranny where there is none
>third greentext lmao
Stan Kelly called, he wants his self-righteous formatting back.

/infinity/ and kronies are not the problem here. a large enough group is bound to have bad apples, but most are good. please stop blaming them for this, it's not their fault.

>>18920489
That one is also lacking the Islamic State of Watamelon

>>18920268
>>18920375
As for the climate map, use example C. Where it's subarctic continental and humid contiental

Does anyone know what program nuefag was using? If he's truly gone for good, I can try to do something in his place. I don't want to see this thread fail.

So for what i understand, there is a normal map with the layout.
another with colors to identify each nation.
and another for climate?

>>18920438
Will tackle this one now, just a sec.

>>18920539
Okay then, let me see...

>>18920507
>you have repeatedly refused to show anywhere where there was a promise
Archivereps. People here we're calling it the Borg cube over and over. If it was prominent enough for people to make memes of it then I'd hope you'd remember.

>>18920690
And another one that has old feelings. That one is good for wallpapers

>>18920690
That would be right, Denizen. Thanks again.

>>18920734
>>18920690
By old feelings he means it looks vintage and like it was made on parchment paper.

>>18920507
Are you done lying? Because anyone who doesn't their archive reps knows you're full of shit and this is only making you and nuefag look worse.

>>18920628
The original map was designed in Azgaar Map Generator. nuefag also mentioned the settings before he finally had a meltdown.
>>18842745
>>18896202

>>18920507
Are you done lying? Because anyone who doe their archive reps knows you're full of shit and this is only making you and nuefag look worse.

>>18920628
The original map was designed in Azgaar Map Generator. nuefag also mentioned the settings before he finally had a meltdown.
>>18842745
>>18896202

>>18920706
i was there for the borg cube situation. no mention of a promise, just some staked land. it would be pointless to make suggestions when the island hadn't even been finalized yet.

>>18920779
Yes, that one. I forgot the word

>>18920836
>Staked land on the map
>Not promised territory

>>18920836
No one at the time said "here Kronies, I promise this swath of sea to you" but they did give us that to work with in one of the older maps. So old that old half of the eastern continent was claimed and the rest of the world was unpopulated. I know because I made our lore, anon, I used that map to place our archipelago properly.

That spot was staked out for us by a mapanon long before other generals started mapping out and we claimed it. I consider that a promise. Even if you don't, it's just retarded to go back on that this far later.

>>18920810
Shit, we don't have the json files to continue his work. Did he ever upload them anywhere? Anyone make a backup if he did?

>>18920928
For reference here was the original territorial claim map.

>>18920960
Nuefag didn't have it either, he just uploaded the map to the program and just manually altered stuff.

Also the climate map was made before nuefag existed.

>>18921033
>>18921062
Good maps to have on hand

>>18921062
Remember that he also combined his map with the climates' map

>>18921033
https://azgaar.github.io/Fantasy-Map-Generator/
There's no way I can see of uploading pngs into the program as a valid map, he had to have made the entire thing from scratch by eyeballing it, we'd need the file if we don't want to do the same.

>>18921281
Honest question, do we really need it anymore given we already have the map, boarders and climates established?

>>18921281
Someone in infinity just said they figured out how to import images into maps using what our drawfriend made

>>18921281
If you go to Tools > Heightmap > Erase > Image Converter you can upload a PNG into the program. But it comes out quite scuffed, gonna have to play with it a bit to get it right.

>>18921350
Looks like a civ map kek

>>18921350
I should add, the map auto scales to the size of your browser window.

>>18921317
Hmm, probably not? If everyone's okay with manually adding every last city and such with an image editor like gimp or photoshop, we could do it like that, but I don't have to point out what a clusterfuck that could turn out to be.

>>18921419
It might be better that way just because this sitution has proven putting all our eggs in one basket is disastrous.

This is by far the dumbest thread topic I've seen on this board.

>>18921517
More than endless tides of pink and green rrats?

>>18921453
It wouldn't have been if he kept his work publicly available, which we should have asked him to do.

>>18921517
Kill yourself tourist

https://files.catbox.moe/gcitmj.jpg
Okay, here is the colored map with the adjustments necessary, everything looks in order i hope?

>>18921317
The island needs to be added, labeled and colored

>>18920784
>Are you done lying? Because anyone who doesn't their archive reps knows you're full of shit and this is only making you and nuefag look worse.
>even still, you neglect and wave away these concerns for purely personal reasons, choosing to demean feedback rather than explain clearly how these concerns could be solved, while at the same time framing the justification in a way that only further strengthened the potency of the problem.
this is the only responce i have ever gotten. either i am a bad actor, or i haven't looked at the archives for some nondescript area where a promise is >implied to have been made. remember, this is in responce to the question of where the word promise was used. the least bad faith responce i have recieved lagged behind me. i have been here from the start, you keep insisting it is there but IT IS NOT THERE. not a single mention of a promise. you will once again claim i am either lying or blind, yet all i have asked for from the beginning was a link. maybe it's your first time on 4chan, but you can link dead comments if you know the numbers. what i am asking for is a link to a reply where the speficic word "promise" was used. can you find a single comment where the word "promise" was used? alternatively, can you please show me where they said something along the lines of "you will absolutely, definately get your island once you meet x criteria" that wasn't after you started insisting there was already promise. note that since you started throwing a tantrum, neutralfag all but agreed to let you have an island despite his personal concerns if you make it work within a list of criteria. if you satisfied those concerns instead of throwing a bitch fit, we could have resolved this whole mess without losing a major contributor for our entire thread. no promise was ever made, you acted unreasonably, and have been lying to justify your irrational claims because you have no other justifications than a misinterpretation, and a now inconsistent claim of effort being made to resolve problems. this doesn't make me mad, it makes me disapointed, which is even worse in my opinion. you should have been better, but you choose this path, of all the paths you could have possibly taken, instead. a discredit to everything you stand for, which even that i feel immensely disapointed by. i just hope we can pick up the pieces after what you have done.

>>18921661
Looking good, I have to say.

>>18921687
mucho texto, and not even well formatted.

>>18921687
Why you were typing all that a Kronie drawchad refined the map and did neufag's job for him even without the .psd files and another kronie figured out how to import .pngs as maps.

I think they're taking over operations.

>>18921661
There was another version of the mal with less colors. You should've used that one

>>18921753
Do you have it on hand? The drawfriend is new here.

>>18921701
Alright then, so for /inf/ climate map, do we have a proper map somewhere? make haste if possible.

>>18921753
Well i was given that one son, i'll do what do with what im given.

Atleast we're still able to recoup and continue the project, cheers to more future progress!

>>18921769
I'm not on PC and I can't search for it easily, so no. It must be in the last 5 or 6 threads though

>>18921774
>Alright then, so for /inf/ climate map, do we have a proper map somewhere?
see >>18920539

>>18914863
its pretty good, thanks anon

>>18921791
In any case, there's really nothing stopping anyone from lorefagging now, since the map is technically finalised

>>18921828
Also, I want to sleep. Maybe later I'll search for it myself

>>18921736
This, while he's crying about clinging to a broken status quo, /infinity/'s stepped up big time.

>>18921769
>>18921774
>>18921828
Have some more maps.
>>18624522
>>18649840

I used to be sympathetic towards /infinity/ and its island, but holy shit you Kronies know how to make people hate you. Fuck off and be put on the mainland, Neutralfag, please come back, you were responsible for basically 80% of the progress this thread did with the map.

>>18921933
I wouldn't go sucking dick just yet, there's a lot of work involved in getting back to where we were, we should probably start talking about the market value of KFP's aromatic sweaty chicken feathers and other related things.

Replicated what i saw in the picture, is this correct? Do i also need to add the panel?

BREAKING NEWS
Tensions boil over! Territorial disputes over islands northeast of the Holo Global Empire come to a shocking close as armed Kronies storm the diplomatic offices of the Worldbuilding League and forcibly exile the chief of relations. As other civilians and diplomats alike cry out against this blatant use of force, Kronies have installed their own mapmakers and delegates to replace the now exiled members of the League.

>>18922035
I'm not, I just prefer people who keep their promises, also this a great lesson about keeping everything public and decentralized since imagine if Nuefag decided to take his ball home much later in the process.

>>18922156
Looks great.

>>18922173
Please don't, I'm still hoping nuefag comes back, since he really is better at this

>>18922173
This is fake news, the head of Worlderbuiling league attempted an illegal power grab and unilaterally voided binding treaties in a clear act of war.

>>18922156
remove the black arrow in the middle of the long blue one, its there only because I didnt initially draw the blue arrow so its like a leftover artefact thingy

>>18922173
ITT: /infinity/ kills the thread for everyone but themselves. Congratulations, enjoy a dead thread and a dead initiative once the Kronie circlejerk settles.

>>18921995
I...Sorry, pass for now, its 5:37am and i just have the energy to process simple designs. IF it's really nessesary to do this, then i will try tomorrow.

>>18922275
Nuefag didn't have to leave, Nuefag could have just put the island where /vtwbg/ said it could be before he ever came along instead of going autismo over gen adjacency.

>>18922269
Done.

>>18921736
>>18921933
>>18922035
/infinity/ caused an issue, and when asked to fix the mess they made, they pat themselves on the back despite the job not being done.

This is worse than the zone-autism, I'll check back in a few weeks on how things are moving along; but it's honestly demotivating the Kronies strong armed everyone to agreeing with them. Now that we're under new management the Kronies brag about it.

>>18922281
Nah, you're good lol. It's nice to have extra maps but we should have plenty to start with the next stage of lore-building. Get some rest.

>>18922345
We're not bragging about it, we didn't cause the issue, and we're not patting ourselves on the back. All Nuefag had to do was put the island in a literal clear stretch of ocean that was otherwise going unused.

>>18922327
This.
Nuefag could have just put the island where it was promised and everything would be fine. But he let his autism about keeping gens close to each other ruin everything. He only has himself to blame for how this sitution turned out.

>>18922373
Alright then, if you guys ever need a hand with maps or lore, i'm always willing to give a hand. if you need to call me or something, poke me in /infinity/ . i go by /d/enizen in there.

Have a good night or evening, whatevs you lads live on. and good luck with the map stuff too.

>>18922173
>>18922248
Live footage of the protests.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RImVPqpIqvo

>>18922327
He is right in the fact that causing a shitstorm and a raid instead of politely asking for it sets a terrible precedent that posters can just throw baby tantrums to get what they want irrespectively of everyone else.

The whole point of having a tripfag in the first place was to be the arbiter in situations like these. What you do is ask politely, and Kronies have been shown that they absolutely cannot be trusted under any circumstance since every single time they saw something that went "against" them they threw a baby tantrum.

Fuck off. I'll be using the attached map for everything I create from now on, unless Neutralfag comes back to validate another option. No quarter should be given to people who would go as far as to shit multiple threads.

>>18922567
Except we cooperated when you said our island was too big.

Then we did it again.

And again. All without complaining.

Then Neufag placed us on mainland even though we had claimed the sea there long ago. And we complained about it, with most of us being civil and some of us less so.

Then he gave us the island, but still wanted us away from the territory we already claimed along ago. People got mad and then he was so thin skinned that he left.

You keep acting like we've done nothing but throw a fit from the beginning but we've been cooperating and listening to feedback for more than half of this dispute.

>>18922567
>The whole point of having a tripfag in the first place was to be the arbiter in situations like these.
That requires a sitution to arbitrate, /∞/ already go an overwhelming consensus for their island and even made several concessions in order to gain it.
If Neutralfag was actually neutral he would have just followed along with what the overwhelming majority wanted. Instead he showed incredible unprofessional is by first not only trying to block it, but after everything was agreed to and /∞/ agreed to his demand over making the island fit the aesthetic of the world map more, try to unilaterally move the island and shrink its size further. /∞/ had a right to air their grievances and get what was promised to them.
And now you're being the most disruptive individual in this thread by acting alone yourself and just insuring your work will be ignored since no one else will use that map. Or worse, you'll cause a split and completely undermine the thread. And yes, that will be your fault.

>>18922567
Most of /infinity/ wasn't here, and didn't care. Hell, most of the board doesn't care about this thread or it'd have way more IPs and collaboration.

As has been stated many times before, /vtwbg/ assigned that stretch of ocean for us to put our island in, we did so, they raised criticisms about the island, which we addressed. This thread was with us each step of the way until nuefag decided that we couldn't have our island due to climate changes, when the climate changes were ruled to be negligible, he ruled that it wasn't a factor. The truth is, the only people who weren't compromising are those from this thread who continuously moved the goalposts on this issue when the solution was as simple as putting us where this thread, in majority, already agreed we could be.

He wasn't being an arbiter, let alone neutral. A neutral arbiter reaches a compromise or ruling between two disagreeing parties, and in this instance, HE was the disagreeing party against something both /infinity/ and /vtwbg/ had already reached an agreement on before he was ever involved.

But you're a retard who will start this timeloop again because it gets you (You)s.

>>18922680
You special little shits were literally generated a whole fucking landmass ex nihilo because you wanted to be a special little island for no reason. No one, no other thread was accommodated so much as you were.

You received a map with land. You could have claimed any place on the map. Instead, your answer was "oh don't worry bro, we'll just create a landmass we designed on our own and put it there".

>All without complaining
There was aplenty of complaining. You also say it was 'promised' to you, but a thread composed of anonymous posters can't promise you anything.

>>18922751
I'm just using the actual FINISHED map from before several pure thread of /infinity/ shitting it up. But hey - apparently as long as you constantly complain you get your way, so why bother accommodating one thread?

It's the Kronies that went against a finished map and then drove off the person who could have validated a new one for them. I do not accept a half-assed stitched map where your ""island"" is sticking out like a sore thumb.

>>18922856
You act as if it was a done deal back then, even though it explicitly asked to generate special landmass. It wasn't. There was disagreement. What you are doing right now is driving away people by effectively raiding and hijacking the thread, and once your little general's circlejerky interest subsides, the thread and initiative will die, and that will be your fault.

As such, I urge everyone to use the old map until Neutralfag returns, which I trust he will do, and puts /infinity/'s island on the map anywhere. I was initially sympathetic to you getting an island, but now I'm firmly against it unless a third party validates it.

>>18923014
It was a done deal because the thread agreed on it. If it didn't, then the many changes to the island would not have been made, as the guy making the island would have been roundly told to fuck off back then, and not recently after all the work had already been done.

>>18923014
A reminder that the choice is between working with this anon who will just make his own map and try and split the general the moment he gets his way.

Or working with /inf/, who honor agreements and even took the initiative to pick up the pieces to keep this general going.

>>18923014
We made that island yes but placed it in the zone (Borg cube) assigned to us. We were told we can do whatever there, so we did. You can blame the mapanon who helped us claim it way back then, but since he was working the maps he had to have had some authority. We wrote our lore around that zone, and don't want to be out of that zone.

And we're not the only gen to have a separate island, are not even the only Holo EN to have a separate island. You act like we stick out like a sore thumb but we made compromises to fit in, even now a drawfriend patches it up to be more aesthetically in line with the rest of the map.

>hates Kronies for acting in self defense
>wants to split from the thread majority (based on polls) and go his own way
It's literally jesse

>>18923190
This is another schizo who's been acting in bad faith from the beginning and literally worshiped nuetralfag. He was originally against the island but when it was clear he was was completely outnumbered he switched to saying we need to listen to nuetralfag, which in retrospect, he was fully expecting to deny and sabotage the island.

Jeese would just be writing about how kronies are bad.

This schizo is crying about nuetralfag and trying to split this general as an act of revenge because his scheme was not only thwarted, but he lost the means to strong arm what he wants.

>>18923318
Jesse... in spirit... It's like I never left infinity...

>>18923318
BadFaithSchizo....

>>18923373
Considering the couple of last responses were made by kronies, you genuinely haven't. Enjoy /infinity/ light until you realise other threads aren't present.

>>18923448
Oh boo hoo nigga. If your tripfag just honored old agreements none of this would've happened.

>>18923318
Calling others a schizo because they disagree with you is counterproductive. I also wanted for you to have the island, but the past 12 hours made me question that. I will just leave the thread at this point, no sense in contributing to something that quickly heads towards demise

>>18923502
Badfaithschizo on a different IP....

>>18923502
>disagree with you
Underselling it a bit much. We already compromised three times for this island, so we definitely listen to criticism. And the Borg cube territory is older than a majority of other claims by other generals, we just want to be in the territory we already agreed on.

Yo I've been here since thread 1
Infinity claimed that sea since thread 2 and promised to make their own island
They fulfilled it and they addressed your criticism.
There's no point arguing. We'd just be doing another Kosovo/Gaza

>>18923448
Im still here and im not leaving. Consider not trying to stir up any further shit and instead think about how to salvage this situation

>>18922567
You don't even have a country. Aare you trying to be nuefag 2.0 and just force arbitrary decisions on people?

So instead of filling up another thread with pointless arguing, how about we figure out what our next set of goals should be?
>Which countries still need flags?
>Are countries named after their split or will they have proper names?
>Mapping out cities, trade routes, alliances, etc.
>More general lore
>Insert other ideas here

>>18924004
Personally, I think we should focus on house cleaning (Tidying up the OP so it's not just bunch of quotes to dead posts you need a third party archive to see, and sending out a second invitation to the splits to bolster activity.

The more people we can get involved the better we'll be. Consider even making custom messages tailored to each specific split.

>>18922393
>We're not bragging about it, we didn't cause the issue, and we're not patting ourselves on the back. All Nuefag had to do was put the island in a literal clear stretch of ocean that was otherwise going unused.
all lies, the entire ocrean is being used by the fucking climate, and the precedent was what mattered. all nuefag had to do was put crying babies in their place, or better yet, make the island look like something that describes you, like a crying baby.

>>18921350
>>18921062
I'm sorry for sounding like a broken record, but I still find it very frustrating that KFP is on a low land, especially since we're meant to be Austria. I know making changes to the map is controversial, but I find it frustrating that we're serving the map rather than the other way around. The fact that the Austria clone has its highest point below Austrias AVERAGE elevation just feels fucking wrong. Can we get some mountains or something? or at least be moved.

>>18923014
The map should serve us, not the other way around. If something about the map is standing in the way of cool worldbuilding then that thing should be changed.

The fact that people are putting this much value on the not changing something mostly generated by a computer, on a thread about human creativity, really activated my almonds.

>>18924004
We still need a tectonic analysis and the likely placement of resources will depend greatly on that, oil in locations where there were once forests or mass extinction events, greater concentrations of ores around mountains forced up by tectonic activity.

Cities are pretty easy to place since almost all of them will be near sources of water, arable land and ideal harbour locations, though that goes more for very old cities than new ones due to the way transportation technology changes the game. You can look at a map of the real world and easily tell which cities were built with what technology available.

Overland trade routes likewise will depend on how old they are, so we have to figure out a timeframe for what parts of the world were settled before black powder and those settled after, since that development made changes to the way infrastructure between settlements was developed since it made blowing obstacles much cheaper to do. Sea trade routes are simple enough, follow the winds. Old port cities will logically be more available to shallow draft vessels, while newer ones will be more developed and only in locations deep draft vessels can reach.

>>18924332
The only one crying is you badfaithschizo.

>>18923777
Thanks anon. And checked. Trips confirm

>>18924374
How did you end up located where you were?

>>18924374
I support your claim to better lebensraum, KFP! It might be harder than how we did it, since Kronies just wanted to move to unused sea, but maybe you guys can find better territory and communicate with who over is using it. Or you could edit your terrain using the map editor and importing your territory and edit it there.

>>18924437
I have no fucking idea. I think we were just placed there without being asked. I requested fairly early on that /KFP/ be
1. on mountains
2. near Nene
3. Inland (optional)
I was busy for a couple days and I come back and lo and behold we're on a coastal lowland

>>18924510
Infinity understands your plight and fully agree that the map should serve us and not the other way around. Maybe you can discuss it with someone who represents /mion/ or /holox/. Not sure if they're mountainous but it's closer to /Nene/ and at worst you could always edit the terrain yourself and run it by climateanon for approval.

>>18924507
I'll give it a go. Does any one have the .map file for the map we're using? I need it to edit the map if that's what we're doing.

I'm happy to go through multiple iterations, make compromises, move to a place where our mountains wouldn't bother neighboring climates so much, whatever. I just want some damn mountains.

>>18924374
>The fact that the Austria clone has its highest point below Austria's AVERAGE elevation just feels fucking wrong.
Where are you getting your numbers from? A cursory search tells me Austria's average elevation is 3,000 feet and poking around in the map generator says that the yellow bits of your territory are in the 3-5k range. Granted, your average elevation is probably lower but it's not quite as bad as you're making it out to be.

>>18924834
Only nuefag had the .map files, any further work has to be done by image conversion and editing the tiles.

>>18924089
I started working on archiving yesterday but couldn't get much done. I'll continue today.
This is what I have so far. The doc is a work in progress.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HM_UK-qNKXQgFH-ixcWsCC3oAgBnFrxCKRPXdKiPMwQ/edit?usp=sharing

If you would like to help, please make rentry.org entries out of lore scraps and loreposts and maybe upload flags and maps to catbox or some other image hosting site where they can easily be found from.

>>18924378
If any of you actually know something about tectonics, that would be a great help. I can give you some level of an attempt but really I don't know much about geology or tectonics

>>18924834
You'll need to upload your map from a .png to the map editor and clean it up, then edit from there. I hope it works out for you, kfp!!

>>18924878
Did he even have the .map files? Wasn't the original map pasted together from several different anons?

>>18924918
It looks like he did image conversion from our early maps, and worked on it from there. He would have .map files to make it easier to work on after conversion, but he never shared them here.

>>18924868
yes you're right. I'm a euro and I got my conversions mixed up. I double checked them and you're right but I'd still rather have mountains.

>>18924913
Got it. I'm setting to work on getting us some mountains. wish me luck.

>>18923077
>it was a done deal, as if it wasn't, the guy making the island would have been roundly told to fuck off back then
this is the origin of the "promise."
a failure to roundly reject a proposal before the details of that proposal were even available to be criticized. as though being allowed to show a resume to a boss counts as a done deal to be hired. we said this one region can be experimented with, you can make your proposed island here, and we will give you feedback once you have a working model to criticize, as it would be retarded to criticize something that isn't even manifest yet. they interpreted that as a done deal.

>>18923168
>And we're not the only gen to have a separate island
that you made that wasn't there before. i'm not the anon you guys were responding to, so the fact that it now looks a little less patchwork-y is acknowledged

>>18923318
>This is another schizo who's been acting in bad faith from the beginning and literally worshiped nuetralfag. He was originally against the island but when it was clear he was was completely outnumbered he switched to saying we need to listen to nuetralfag, which in retrospect, he was fully expecting to deny and sabotage the island.
ok, lets recap what is known. 1) there was someone who suggested we listen to neutralfags opinion. 2) two comments in the same thread had passing comments about how kronies always shat stuff up. 3) neutralfag was initially conflicted about adding the island, despite negotiating to add the island, and even making a new one for you. 4) you are the same lonely anon who was BTFO'd in the last thread for your literal schitzo fantheory. you do realize the guy you were responding to literally said he was in support of your island multiple times, and that the only reason he WOULD HAVE (ie; hypothetically) change his mind would be due to how much of an unbelievably pretensious asshole (you) are. badfaith anon was you the whole time

like the last shitshow, let me sum up wtf happened in an unbiased way
ancient historical facts:
>infinity wanted their own island on the east sea
>the claim was marked with the borg cube (kek)
>infinity made their own island to finalize
>various issues with the infinity island that needed to be addressed
Due note that the situation was started by /infinity/ (wanting their own island), and was asked to provide their own island.

We start here:
The looking for an island arc:
>Neutralfag wants an island that doesn't stick out:>>18828149
>Kronies demand a bridge: >>18835456
>Neutralfag agrees to the bridge, shares his ideas and requirements: >>18836140
The requirements are from 1 of the many /infinity/ loreposts (3 islands), and the island be made using Azgaar
>Kronies seek a lore change to not be 3 islands: >>18836264
>Neutralfag agrees: >>18836551
Some Islands were proposed, but Neutralfag rejects since it doesn't look quite right (Azgaar requirement)
>Kronies agree to take on the island creation >>18838413
>Neutralfag does a meme to keep things light hearted: >>18849960
Everything was right in the thread!

The Modest Proposal Arc
>Neutralfag politely proposes to move /infinity to the west >>18896202
Note: Neutralfag took the original rejected proposed island and recreated it in Azgaar.
>Kronies ask why, and brought up the compromises so far (for their own island): >>18896452
>Neutralfag cites lore and relationship reasons >>18896881
>/who/ representatives agree with the move: >>18897004
>Neutralfag and Climate anon agree there is no impact on biome, just colder for /nasa/ >>18896881 >>18897316
>Kronies are very vocal about the new placement and they are not happy
>>18896997 >>18897101 >>18897124 >>18897197 >>18897438
>Kronie who caste the first stone: accusations of ignorance >>18897608
(note there are no climate implications, climate anon defends neutralfag >>18897976)
>Some Kronies still civil, but no more compromises >>18898079
>Kronie who caste the 2nd stone: accusations of being first and council should move: >>18898430
(note, council claim was first https://archive.wakarimasen.moe/vt/thread/17126327/#q17209941, Kronies disagreed and "compromised their island" after this).
>Kronie who caste the 3rd stone: accusations of not being neutral: >>18898671
>Anon says calm down: >>18898834
>Kronie#3 (?) calls out they've been compromising and are tired of things being changed: >>18898895
>Someone, probably a Kronie, attempts to rewrite history: >>18898943
(note, again, council claim was first)

The Rumbling Arc
>Neutralfag speaks out, dude just wants thematic placements to match how other nations were placed.: >>18899000
>Anon#1 throws the first stone at Kronies: >>18899014
>Anon#2 throws throws a 2nd stone at Kronies: >>18899111
>Someone brings up "the compromises"? (I don't think it's Kronies) >>18899405
>Peace Anon bring up if neutralfag and kronies can compromise: >>18899647

The Last Chance for Compromise arc
>A Kronie brought up things wrong with Neutralfag's proposal to shift: >>18899907
(note, he makes good points)
>A Kronie notices the island in the proposal is smaller, it's not just a move: >>18900213 (evidence >>18900610)
>Kronie say no more compromises: >>18900007
>Anon say no more compromises: >>18903979
>Kronie accuses Neutralfag of impartiality: >>18900454
>Anon asks wtf is happening: >>18900901
>Kronies blame Neutralfag for shitting up the thread: >>18900974 >>18901005
>Anon encourage Neutralfag to fight Kronies: >>18901120
(side note: Kronies fight amongst themselves over ship at this time, who the fuck is Jesse?)

The Actual Rumbling Arc:
>>KronieA encourages other anons to turn on Neutralfag: >>18901372
>>KronieB say Neutralfag has gone mad with power: >>18901566
>>KronieC just insults: >>18901577
>>Someone (probably a Kronie) suggests getting rid of the tripfag now that the work is done >>18901611
>>AnonD says Neutralfag doesn't do anything >>18901675
>>KronieE encourages peace: >>18901612
>>KronieA reaffirms they got stabed on the back, no negotations: >>18901712, >>18901905
>>AnonF demands Kronies to leave: >>18901772
>>It did not go well: >>18901917 >>18901940
>>AnonG throws stones at Kronies >>18901960
>>AnonH asks wtf happened >>18902020
>>Historical Revisionism happens: >>18902077 >>18902096 >>18902103 >>18902163
(strangely, both pro/against Kronies/Neutralfag, both innacurate)

If I lose it All/Slip and Fall Arc
>Neutralfag says he didn't know the island was smaller: >>18902410
>In the same post he said doesn't want to set a precedent of changes by harassment.
>It did not go well.... >>18902488 >>18902547 >>18902590 etc....
>Kronie tries to settle matters, the East was promised: >>18903122
>Neutralfag says it's a proposal, he expected discussions not the Rumbling.
>Neutralfag leaves.
>Kronies shame him out: >>18904502 >>18904576 >>18904920
>Kronie once again affirms the East was promised and they have been civil >>18904998
(they mean before the Modest Proposal Arc)

>>18925058
>this is the origin of the "promise."
>a failure to roundly reject a proposal before the details of that proposal were even available to be criticized
The Borg cube was set up very early, if anyone woudkve criticized it they would've.

On top of that I proposed three tiny islands in that spot very early as well with our rentry page of lore in the OP. Again no one criticized our placement. In fact the only criticism I got for it was by other Kronies who wanted a bigger, singular island. But no criticism from here in all the time we've been settled in that zone.

People had a lot of time to criticize our placement but they largely didn't. Climateanon even said our placement would barely have an effect on the climate. No one took issue with our zone until Neufag decided to make us mainland and then try to squeeze us on a smaller island away from the Borg cube.

>>18925120
Yeah seems about right. thank you newsanon. God I hate the schizoronies for making this harder than it needed to be.

t. Archipelagoronie

>>18925173
what was there to criticize? we shouldn't have given you the light of day, we should have been tyrants, and we should have stomped on the sight of a new idea before it was even formalized. criticize the argument "if x then x" without criticizing argumentation as a whole. get back to me just after the answer no longer matters.

>>18925291
>we should have stomped on the sight of a new idea before it was even formalized.
>cooperative creative project
>stomped on a new idea

>>18925291
>we shouldn't have given you the light of day, we should have been tyrants, and we should have stomped on the sight of a new idea before it was even formalized
Nice collaborative effort dipshit.
Anyway, we got our island, where we wanted it, we've updated the map accordingly. We got what we wanted and cleaned up the mess left behind by the tripfag. Seethe.

>>18925349
>doesn't understand sarcasm

>>18925359
I am sorry anon, but this is terrible time, place and situation to be attempting sarcasm

>>18925387
the very next sentence criticizes the very idea of criticizing an argument before it can be formalized. i am sorry i expected you to read.

>>18925120
Very succinct, but saying who is who is difficult, especially on an anonymous imageboard, I think it's fairly accurate though. Maybe I just don't want to believe my fellow kronies are shitters, I just wanted to calmly sort this all out with nuefag without people telling him to fuck off, because he does fantastic work, and I hope he does come back. I can't believe you went to the fucking effort to compile this, it can't have been fun.

On a separate note, Jesse is the name we've given to a schizo who has sworn to trash our thread no matter what, and has admitted to badmouthing us on other threads like global before. You could say he's our version of orcschizo, but instead of despising Kiara, he despises /infinity/. That's not to say he's definitely here, but a lot of kronies wouldn't put it past him to exacerbate a situation like this.

>>18925424
I am not the anon who called you out, just pointing out pointless jabs like this only add oil on this already very heated situation

>>18925476
fair, but look what being reasonable has given me. fuck niggers like these.

>>18925435
Thanks for the appreciation! when things get heated, the records gets muddled and it becomes a never ending game of "who says who". We had to do it on the ZoneAutism war. Setting the record straight all parties can agree too is the first step to figuring out what's next.

So besides Nue leaving and KFP having issues with their lot of land, what are the actual problems right now?

>>18925541
we need to chill, and recreate the settings/psd files so map creation and compromises can continue.

The fires of civil war are rising in the muggy swamps of /ringo/.
The extreme habits of the shiteata tribe have been intensifying, along with their numbers increasing. All across the swamp, the shiteata populace can be seen indulging in their filth.
The original denizens, the Pisstribe, grow increasingly unsettled. Even the Braptribe grows restless, the nervous rumbling of their stomachs audible upon the wind. Envoys have been sent out to the sweat, vomit and snot clans to ensure their cooperation should the worst occur.

>>18925607
W-what the fuck is happening to your thread

>>18925541
Actual issues are:
Tectonic and geological analysis
Allocating resources
City locations
Trade routes
Lore expansion
Getting the last of the flags

>>18925541
Hoshiyomia and /who/ dispute over a strip of land was solved last thread by making said place a shared economic zone. Now, someone (not Kronies, thank you) needs to find a reason as to why one of the oldest nations shares lands with /who/, one of the newest one.

Crude map of /yeah/ and surrounding regions

>>18911030
>no vtwbg in subject
Nigger how was I supposed to find the thread?
Anyway reposting my suggestion to get it bashed in this thread as well

Okay, I'm prefacing this by saying it's a really fucking crazy idea, but her me out:
Would it be possible for the red and yellow areas in picrel to just swap? It's 9 to 9 nations, though area doesn't quite match up, mountains fir /rrat/ can either come with them or new ones are created, we threaten climate anon at gunpoint to touch up the analysis, the island stays in the east, council is closer, /rrat/ can even border stars for that hot Roberu action (don't know if you actually have any overlap), most JPs are closer, most ENs and IDs are closer, everyone is (relatively) happier.
It's obviously a lot of work and would require possible terraforming, so I expect objections, but it's just a suggestion.

>>18926078
The problem is this >>18925751. The world started to move already

/KFP/from earlier. I added some mountains. the conversion wasn't perfect, so I had to do a bit of touching up myself. This is the new topography map I've produced.

>>18926307
Looking good. We should wait to see what other generals have to say if this affects them in any way.

>>18926307
>>18926355
Island placement has little impact on the climate, a new mountainrange however... thats bit more of an issue. I can try to see how this would affect things but it might take an hour or two or a few, depending on when I get my irl stuff sorted out

>>18926841
*infinity island
A new island can definitely affect the climate, but infinity island has so far been proposed to be placed in areas where it wouldnt

>>18926841
Thank you climateanon. In the meantime we can probably start loreposting

>>18926307
A lot of the smaller islands got killed
RIP

>>18926307
>>18926944
Maybe KFP can just transplant their territory from this new topography map to the base topography map... If we have one. That way other landmasses won't be affected by the image importing

>>18926944
its not the "real" map, its a KFP proposal for their area's mountains. Besides, some of the land proportions seem a bit weird in that map

Could someone edit the mountains from >>18926307 into the map used in the OP >>18911030
?

>>18926173
I'm just saying this would solve the issue of somehow forcing one of the oldest nations to have a shared economic zone with a nation half its age, and it would also give /who/ the chance to have a bigger coastline, with proper placement. It also brings most of the Holo branches together. (an added benefit is that Sakuran is closer to threads it wants to be closer to, which is why I'm pushing for it)
Keep in mind nuefag's placements were arbitrary, or at least I don't remember them being very well explained, and Sakuran has contested our placement from the start.
While this is definitely a lot of work to move stuff around, and I wouldn't be so arrogant as to ask the newer map anons that have appeared to make these changes, nor the climate anon to make a new analysis, I do still think this is a viable solution, and I don't necessarily see why a placement that inconveniences many threads should be retained.

As a side note, looking at the map >>18924911, isn't our world really lacking in mountains? Irl Earth has a shitton of them

>>18927564
>isn't our world really lacking in mountains?
There is no rule that says a planet has to have a lot of mountains. Its all a question of tectonic activity and the age of the world

>>18927564
the problem is that Hoshiyomia needs the bay for lore reasons, but this discussion was already solved between the two nations in the last thread.
Hoshiyomia needed 1. a bay, 2. mountains 3. template climate 4. enough flatlands for a maritime nation 5. an island. There's no other place in the world that satisfy these conditions. In the first or second /vtwbg/ I explained my demands and I already sacrificed the being in an island thing, Hoshiyomia has no other place to move

>>18927755
But Hoshiyomia isn't moving, I'm suggesting /who/ and whole of council moves instead?

>>18927564
Are you also suggesting /rrat/'s mountain is moved as well?

>>18927982
yes, but /who/ wants a strip of land that is contested by Hoshiyomia and /who/ and moving them would cause conflicts again

>>18928001
Open for discussion. It can come with them, or a new mountain range is made where they end up. Depending on configuration, it may solve /kfp/'s lowland problem as well, as the mountain range may spill into them.
>>18928024
How would that caus econflicts again? /who/ wants more shoreline, if they move to the Eastern side of the continent it's possible they can get a location with more shoreline, without having to contest another nation. I don't see the problem?

>>18928234
>How would that caus conflicts again?
because Hoshiyomia also wants the strip of land and I want to get creative with a lore explaining the reason about why these both nations have a shared land

>>18928286
>because Hoshiyomia also wants the strip of land
And I'm saying five it to them, since it was originally theirs?
>spoiler
I figured this may have been the case, you want conflict for the sake of lore, but I disagree

>>18928494
I don't want conflict, Hoshiyomia is a peaceful nation, but it's a nice opportunity for lore. Hoshiyomia needs a bay, and it happens to be one of the oldest nations and nobody paid attention at the time /who/ and Hoshiyomia were being placed, and the conflict naturally arose, it was already settled last thread, there's no need for further discussion with a third party who wants to move nations

>>18928234
Moving would be out of the question unless every thread on the continent agrees to it. This is because he mountain range very much defines the climate in the area, without it, threads like /rushia/ would lose their entire identity as a story steppes/flatlands as the area would now gain increased rainfall and the mountains would no longer create the conditions necessary for heavy storms and tornadoes.

New mountain range would mean that everything between the two mountain ranges dries out by a considerable amount, and the tornado/storm zone would extend into the east. Furthermore, stuff northeast of the new mountain range would also dry out, while stuff south of the mountains would become a lot wetter, depending on the placement. I'd have to actually make a new map to tell you the actual changes but they would be impactful.

Not saying it can't be done and not saying I wouldnt do it. I do advice for caution here though. I do not think this change should be done unless every thread affected meaning, everyone on the continent except maybe /sora/, /pekora/, /sakuran/, /ggg/, /amelia/, and the threads on the eastern isthmus agree to it.

Despite the current shitstorm, I confess I'm enjoying this general a lot
It's the most productive this board have ever been outside of drama baiting

>>18928729
The whoshiyomia matter was mostly a side objective, I mad ethe initial proposition lats thread to get council closer to the Eastern side where infinity would be, to satisfy nuefag's preference to have the gens together. I still find your situation weird but its not really our problem so can't say much on it.
>>18928836
>unless every thread affected [...] agree to it.
So it's never gonna happen kek. I did make the suggestion with this in mind

>>18927002
KFP, can you do it? Add your mountains to the map in the OP
If someone else is willing and able, it would be appreciated too.

>>18929028
agreed. it's inevitable that some problems will come up, and i am personally not too happy about a few things, but this is an awesome thread, and everyone who has contributed is awesome in my book. i hope we can all move past this smoothly.

>>18929188
>I mad ethe initial proposition lats thread
the /who/ and Hoshiyomia discussion started here >>18821170

I just hope /who/ doesnt start anything weird
Theyre the comfiest general in my book. Even if they have a dark secret in their alleys.

>>18929299
there's no need for them to get weird, the discussion already ended

>>18929247
Yeah, I know, I was reading that. You may recall Sakuran saying that if war broke out we, Sora and MiComet would move to assist Hoshiyomia.
That, and the suggestion about exchanging half the continent are different matters

I'm completely out of the loop on the /who/-hoshiyomi conflict but why wouldnt something like this work? The hoshiyomi would still get their bay and an island, and /who/ would get some extra coastline and everyone else wouldnt have to look at a weird croatia situation on the map

>>18929402
the /who/ representative need to be here. I'm the Hosiyomia representative but rn I'm paying attention to the Suisei stream. Maybe later

>>18929197
Not KFP but do you have the old topography map?

If I can get the topography map that was last approved by Neufag I can update it with new KFP and Infinity landmasses.

>>18929686
>>18929791
Is it this one? This seems to be the one used in most of the modern maps.

>>18929930
Here's a link to the full image.
https://de.catbox.moe/tmj935.png

>>18929930
>>18930031
I think that's the normal map. Looks to be a different kind from the map in >>18926307 which focuses on the topography / mountains and shit

>>18925535
I would include /∞/'s original submission and how they compromised with /vtwbg/ before nuetralfag appeared to give context to why the kronies were so upset over having to give up further concessions after they felt they established a consensus as a pre-history to nuetralfag's posts.
Regardless, this is a good, neutral take on what happened.

If these guys get popular enough for a thread
>>18918979
I think we should give them their ancestral land in Watamelonistan stolen territory.

>>18930366
the "normal" map is a topography map afaik, minus the snow topped mountains which can be ignored or just labeled as mountain peaks.
Either way that "normal" map is the one that needs /infinity/ and KFP's mountains added.

>>18930422
compromising 3 times with our thread when other projects on 4chanrequire constant feedback and never get finalized makes me think it really shouldn't have mattered how many times you had to fix problems, especially since there were always problems, and you guys just collectively decided that being reasonable people more than twice was too much to handle, but having more context is always worth something.

>>18930723
>things are worse in other projects so stop trying to defend your decisions
>just keep compromising until you give up on what you wanted

>>18930841
>giving up after 3 changes
ngmi. seriously, how haven't you been pushed back to twitter if your resolve prevents you from compromising only 3 times? nevermind, this bullshit is pointless to discuss now that it's happened. we'll just need to remember not to do it again in the future when these problems return.

Sitting comfy on my island with a nice, locally-brewed herbal tea, enjoying the cool ocean breeze, far from international disputes

>>18931075
How many compromises did you want?
>get told to make it smaller, do that
>get told to make it even smaller, do that
>get told to make it even smaller and also change the topography, do that
This is where we stopped. The next thing asked of us was to settle for the mainland. If we compromised for that too, why even tell us to stake any claims?

>>18931075
Kronies probably would've settled for the western placement if they weren't specifically assigned the northeast one ages ago before any other council split, as per >>18921033

>>18931075
It's frustrating that's how you're choosing to characterize us but I guess it is pointless to try to convince you otherwise.

Hey if there's a general we should bully it's not /infinity/. It's /hlg/
Why do they get anything when none of them ever visited?

>>18931289
it's /hlgg/ not /hlg/ and inviting /hlgg/ to agree on something like this would cause a lot of problems

>>18931149
your problem is assuming compromizes was only ever one directional. he made a proposal, you make a counter-proposal.
>go to mainland to be near other council members
>maybe we take some of our island and move it over there while keeping the majority where we want it
>how about ___
>how about ___ instead
you act as though compromises are some kind of strike against you, but it is the only way both parties can hope to be satisfied.

>>18931375
Both parties could've easily been satisfied if he accepted our thrice-shrunk island in the placement we wanted. That's all we asked for after the proposal to make us mainland instead.

>>18931375
look, i wont have this discussion any more, you guys got what you want, you claimed you weren't bragging, yet here you are trying to use your position as the victors to taint and corrupt history further than you did even during the whole ordeal. it's over, lets pretend it never happened for your sake.
>>18931432
give me all your money and both parties will be satisfied.

>>18931375
That's not exactly how it happened. Here's what happened prior to the end of compromises
>make it smaller
>okay but we stay in this position
>make it smaller again
>okay but we're still staying in this position
>make it smaller again and this time change your topography
>okay but we still want to be an island in this part of the sea
>okay now be mainland because your island doesn't match the aesthetic of the map
>no, we'll change it redesign it instead, leave us as an island in our desired territory
>I've remade your island (and made it smaller) and also moved you from your desires territory, happy?
How is this not one sided

>>18931518
Bitch, you're the only one still bringing it up, and you will continue to bring it up like you have been all fucking day

>>18931589
that's how it would have been if you weren't incompetent

>>18931600
>>18930723
now will you guys shut up?

>>18931657
I wasn't one of those guys, I've been lurking for the last couple hours watching this back and forth while the rest of the thread is trying to move on

>>18931657
We shut up about it before you started to be bitter about it when someone gave the recap more context.

>>18931657
>that's how it would have been if you weren't incompetent
The fuck does that even mean? I thought you said this was supposed to be about making proposals and counter proposals until everyone is satisfied. We made a proposal and accepted multiple counter proposals that didn't benefit us in anyway. When given a proposal to change location due to aesthetics, we made a counter proposal like you said we should've.

>>18931702
it looks like i gave the wrong one, it's >>18930422 but regrdless, i'm sorry, i just don't want them to influence how things are remembered without some pushback at least. treating 3 changes as though it waranted their scorched earth tantrums when the standard is far more seems unfair to me.

>>18931790
you also stopped talking about it when the guy suggested we wait for the tripfag, but then you realized you might not get your way.

>>18931904
It's easy enough to just link back to the recap, don't worry about it

>>18931898
counterproposals. you say shrinking it by a few pixels was enough to justify the responce, you could have voiced that and offered a counterproposal.

I am going to chime in and post something I found on /inf/. They have been extremely diplomatic and appear to not want to step on the toes of anyone.
An example of that is something I found while lurking their threads. Someone made the suggestion that they flip their island, but it got pushback out of fears it would alienate us and the anon who wanted it decided to just wait for the climate anon to post again to ask if it would cause problems instead of just acting alone.
>>18915709
>>18915876
>>18916055
>>18916201
>>18916349
I am not trying to start any trouble and am not sure if /inf/ still wants to do this, but I see this sort of behavior as an example of them actually working in good faith and not just doing what they please.
On a personal note, I really like the lore /inf/ made up for their schizo island using the worse weather as a training ground and would not be opposed to the island being flipped.

>>18931904
Who exactly set this standard? Projects that never get off the ground? Projects with power tripping organizers that end up making contributors go through fifty hoops to get even an inkling of what they want implemented? Why exactly do we want to live up to this standard?
>but then you realized you might not get your way.
No, we realized he further shrank our island without letting us know, and considering how he really wanted us away from our territory for his own personal reasons - compared to how most people in the thread polled wanted us to have the island in our desired territory - some of us assumed he did it on purpose and got mad.
>>18931998
We DID make a counterproposal. He wanted us to move to mainland because of the differing aesthetics, so we proposed that we redesign our island and stay where we wanted to instead.

You say you want the recap to be fair without Kronies revising history but you're quite literally trying to ignore the full extent of what happened.

>>18932037
On top of this, quite a few Kronies, myself included, were desperately trying to keep other Kronies calm, telling others not to raid the polls (I had to remake a poll so that it could not be cross-threaded to /infinity/) or be too hostile to the organizers. Even when we noticed he further shrank our island another Kronie and I tried to tell others to keep it civil.

Those of us who contribute genuinely don't want to start shit. We compromised and made multiple counter proposals, but couldn't contain a few schizos. Neufag didn't make it easy as well with him very adamant about moving us away from our very old claim. I'm sorry that the thread was really shit up but it's not all on us, nor have we all been completely entitled and uncompromising.

>spoiler
Fucking awesome, m8. Are you climateanon? If you don't think flipping it would disrupt too much, I can out it on a poll for us Kronies to see if we should propose it.

>>18932163
>You say you want the recap to be fair without Kronies revising history but you're quite literally trying to ignore the full extent of what happened.
>Projects with power tripping organizers that end up making contributors go through fifty hoops to get even an inkling of what they want implemented
lets say you could prove he intentionally shrank your island. why not simply change it back? also, the standard is set by being on 4chan. you kill off a portion of every thread when you let the most unreasonable people get what they want, but at least it's fast and the problems of the decisions only happen when another conflict exploits the holes of the halfassed solutions. maybe lurk a bit on this site, or go back to twitter. also, your counterproposal was shit, that's what led to the fiasko in the first place.

>>18932411
>are you climateanon?
No, I just wanted to point out that you had stuff going behind the scenes in your own thread and were willing to compromise even among your own group to reach an agreement or how the anon who made the suggestion did not just take the posts of those who liked their idea and post it here over the objections of the other anons.

>>18932441
>lets say you could prove he intentionally shrank your island.
I don't think he did it on purpose, but a lot of people thought he did because of how much he wanted us off the zone that, again, we claimed long before any other council split made any claims, the zone no one had a problem with for multiple threads and even joked about it calling it the Borg cube. Because of his prior unwillingness to let us have what we wanted even after doing what was asked of us, some schizoronies thought his accident wasn't an accident. He could've just not listened to the hostile schizos and instead further discussed it with me or the other Kronie trying to keep it civil but he dipped instead.
>why not simply change it back?
Another Kronie asked for that but when Neufag came back he decided to leave. So yes in a sense >we did want to change it back, he didn't care and left.
>your counterproposal was shit
He didn't say that though, he actually said he was happy with it because only the aesthetics was stopping him from making a new landmass. But he decided to make an island for us, and THAT led to this fiasco.

>>18932441
>"4chan is toxic and uncooperative, go back to twitter"
Why call it a cooperative effort then? Why bother telling anons to contribute lore, claim territory, and make proposals if we are to operate under the assumption it's all subject to a tripfag who didn't even start this project?

>>18932656
Well yes, thank you for noticing. It actually means a lot that at least one anon knows we've been trying very hard to cooperate here with everyone else.

>>18932411
>why not simply change it back?
Because what would stop Nuefag from doing it again later down the road? Given /∞/ already had to shrink their island 3 times, feel they've finally come to agreement and then see that Nuefag tried to not only move unilaterally but their island was shrank again, they would immediately assume the worst. To be honest, I'm surprised /∞/'s clapback against Nuefag wasn't worse.

>>18932441
Shrinking the island wasn't even the main issue, it was the fact he once again tried to group us with rest of the Council by moving us to the west coast for "thematic reasons", which came after we agreed with him to change the design of the island at the original position to match the aesthetic. The size was merely the spark that lit the powderkeg of already strained relations.

I would also like to add that those thematic reasons don't even make sense, as we have little-to-no actual relations with the other council threads. Only ones that we do have is strained relationship with /who/ because of several falseflag attempts, and /uuu/, who dislikes us for being too horny for their tastes. /∞/ also has barely any connections to other splits, outside of maybe the ones whose chuubas we like to sexpost about, like /kfp/, /suisei/ or /rbc/.

>>18932963
You again unilateralschizo? You're one of the people who made this harder than it had to be. I told you we could do this without you throwing a fit, now you've gone and made things difficult. Be thankful one of drawfags picked up the tripfag's slack after he left because of you.

>>18932691
when your gut reaction is to accuse the people you disagree with of malice when it's easier to claim it was a mistake, maybe it's time to calm down. as for the land mass, didn't he specifically say that the system you guys were using made it look off, hence why he proposed to make a new one with the same system. the meme was funny, but maybe he should have made it faithful to your island, and personally, i like embassies as a solution, even if i understand where he was coming from, but the fact that you guys ended up sperging out about it played a major role in why he didn't want to give you what you want. you say he left because he was mad, but keep in mind that if he responded by giving you what you wanted after that, it would have set a horrible precedent. there was nothing he could do but leave at that point because either option would have caused things to worsen. maybe that wasn't you, but by then things escalated beyond repair.

>>18932820
4chan has a way of cooperating that requires more indepth interaction. if you are a retard, you'll never get anything donw, if you have half a brain you can make some of the best content you'll ever see. large projects are difficult because it requires many people not being fucking retarded over a long period of time, but it still happens depending on how things are structured. this was one of those structures that could last specifically because it had someone who could resolve the back and forth bitchfighting that 4chan ALWAYS leads to, but you retards choose to scorch the earth instead of suck in your pride. the tripfag could be a jackass and the arbitrating effect would keep things calm for the most part, but being a jackass makes more retards. what he was trying to do was create a precedent so that when people ask for something in the future he could point to a precedent to say "you must either do this to get what you want, or you wont get it" and it would be fair because it was impartial. you ruined that impartiality by manipulating the precedent that would be made.

>>18933085
Who? Calm down please. I am just stating the facts.

>>18933316
>... but their island was shrank again,
clearly you arent as it has been stated multiple time that that was not his intention.

>>18933289
let me just stop here. this has been going nowhere, and i know i really shouldn't stoke the fire, even if you guys keep bringing everything up. please lets all just shut the fuck up about it and avoid talking about it at all in the future, because this bullshit will come up at the slightest reference. please.

>>18933316
Bullshit. You've been here for multiple threads and you keep using the word "unilaterally" and being unnecessary hostile to everyone, from the tripfag to even the one guy who agreed we should've gotten our island but told us to wait on the tripfag. You've made a poor showing of our thread and you nearly killed this whole project for all the nice anons who supported us too. If it wasn't for denizen, this project would've been dead in the water.

>>18933409
>even if you guys keep bringing everything up
You fucking started this timeloop yourself when someone just wanted to present more context to the recap you fucking schizo.

Are you people still fucking going on about this? You've been at it for several fucking hours.

>>18933289
What horrible precedent? We already had made our case how it wouldn't make a horrible precedent. This was all argued before.

>>18933342
The problem was even if it wasn't intentional, based on everything that happened, people were going to assume the worst. Which is exactly what happened. Personally, I didn't like giving all the power to one individual even if it broke the stagnation because I knew sitution like this would occur.

>>18933459
>More than one person can't use the word 'unilaterally'
Please calm down, you're chasing phantoms and making a poor showing of yourself.

>>18933506
THIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olZLIC4T9uE

>>18933289
>when your gut reaction is to accuse the people you disagree with of malice
With all the context of prior interaction, it's all lot easier to claim malice. It's not like the first interaction or second one sparked schizos. And again, that wasn't me or even everyone but me. It was two or three schizos, and if your tripfag was so thin skinned on 4chan to not be able to handle that and ignore them in favor of those of us acting civil, then he's not cut out for this.
>but you retards choose to scorch the earth instead of suck in your pride
We "sucked in our pride" enough times. Bit you don't think it's enough. You'd rather we just "suck in our pride" and just keep getting pushed around until we're put somewhere we never wanted to be. You talked about proposals and counter proposals and I told you we did that but now you're talking about this and it's clear you just wanted us to not peep at all about anything.

Also you keep taking about "this is 4chan" well you should know on this site people will shitpost regardless. If he gave us what we wanted, it'd keep contributors happy at the cost of people shitposting about favoritism. If he didn't give us what we wanted, it'd set the precedent that contributors who compromise are still subject to complete changes that you never asked for or agreed to, which would attract shitposters about a power tripping organizer.

>>18933064
ya, my interpretation of the situation was that kronies had a better argument for why something being added in their way makes sense, but they quickly lost the argument of why anything should be added at all, as that was already tenuous, and we were only extending the opportunity because they were at one point being reasonable.

>>18933489
i explained why i entered the discussion. if passing comments isn't considered bringing it up, especially in the context of trying to add lore that supports your claim without offering both sides to offer their lore, then idk what should be.

>>18933509
you addressed it by neglecting it. your arguments against it are shortsighted. it was argued but never concluded is what i'm saying.

>>18933643
>"Would you Quintus? Would I?"
Yeah, that about sums them up.

>>18933836
Your definition of being reasonable is just laying down and taking whatever changes the tripfag makes despite a majority of the thread, as per the poll before all diplomacy broke down, supporting us. Because this is 4chan and that somehow justifies that kind of bullshit.

>>18933978
You know yourself that that is not the definition of being reasonable, and you also know that that was not what was going to happen. You are just trying to stir up further shit.

Why the fuck is a thread about imaginary landscapes based on vtuber imageboard generals full of fucking drama?

>>18934019
Autism clashed and we're seeing the fall out.

>>18934012
Reading comprehension. I said "your definition of reasonable" for a reason.
>>18934019
As with all creative efforts on 4chan, it was a tripfag.

>>18934089
Why do you try to define "reasonable" for someone else then? Isnt that a bit weird?

>>18934019
The drama would be over but for these two who literally cannot back down. They've been arguing the same points, a hundred different ways, all day. No headway is made by either side, neither wish to or ever intend to concede, they just keep going round and round and round. It's a perfect recreation of the political process.

>>18934174
What are they even arguing about? Nue left, infinity got the island, what is there to argue?

>>18934201
A perfect recreation of the political process, I said.

>>18934122
It's an English language thing though... People do that all the time. I'm basically saying that he wanted us to stay "reasonable" but he clearly just wanted us to listen to the tripfag's verdict because it would've been easier for everyone else and, as he keeps saying, this is 4chan so it's expected to be run by an asshole.

Alright the war is over
Infinity got their island
Lets go back to the next war
/who/ and Suisei border conflict

>>18934245
there's no conflict, it was resolved last thread

>>18934245
Please. I don't want to be a dead body in the back of /who/'s spice cabinet!

>>18934201
Because the guy who restarted this time loop is bitter we made a stink to get what we want instead of doing exactly as was told of us, and he keeps justifying it in stupid fucking ways.
>>18934245
They resolved it last thread.

>>18933978
is projection all you know how to do? the whole point of the counterproposal was to find a creative way to get around someone's concerns. instead of doing that, you took his suggestions as though it weren't a big deal, and then acted like it was when you suddenly flipped out. i voted in favor of giving you your stupid island, i regret that now, but more you should have made the poll less simplistic. the fact that this is 4chan means this kind of bullshit is unavoidable, either it's a clusterfuck or someone takes the reigns. you got what you wanted because you were too stupid to argue for it reasonably, you'll go on to think that was a good thing and probably do it again, but regardless of how anyone else sees this horrible precedent that is now our reality, the lack of someone to arbitrate any of our concerns will ruin it independent of that.

>>18934122
it's a strawman thing though. kronies do it all the time, apparently.

>>18934271
>>18934276
>>18934314
Wait really?

>>18934327
so what is needed is another way to arbitrate, or another arbitrator until/unless Nue comes back?

>>18934245
Since someone posted Galdiator, I really want lore of the battle between infinity and neutralfag to mirror the opening battle.
https://youtu.be/WVLGwTggO8U?t=115

I say there's no need to arbitrate
We go for the 'million monkeys on typewriters' approach
Out of all this anarchy something organic will come out of it, hopefully

>>18934327
>you got what you wanted because you were too stupid to argue for it reasonably
Jesus how many times do I need to tell you it was less than a handful of schizos, and I PERSONALLY was making reasonable arguments alongside another civil Kronie.

The problem is, the guy who took the reins decided to completely ignore me and the other civil arguments when the schizos flared up when he fucked up and accidentally made the island smaller. That's on him, it was his decision to hyper focus on the retards. You can go back on all the threads, you can find me or other Kronies telling the schizos to calm down since before this got bad.

>>18934382
the only thing left to discuss between /who/ and Hoshiyomia is lore that explains the reason for the shared land

>>18933836
What did we neglect? What was shortsighted? The general consensus was in favor of giving us the island. Most thought it was reasonable. What were they wrong about?

>>18934417
>Out of all this anarchy something organic will come out of it, hopefully
This was how 4chan actually used to operate in back in 2004 good content floated to the top based on merit and didn't need to be forced.
This experience was also proof that if you want to lead a community project on 4chan, you need constant consensus or you'll immediately be challenged and overthrown as nuefag found out the hard way.

>>18934514
So Cyprus
Half Hellas, Half Turkiye

>>18934543
>you need constant consens
If he just looked at the polls none of this would've happened.

>>18934543
The problem with the survival of the fittest approach is that autists start time loops the moment a single pixel is missing

>>18934578
nta but these polls can't be trusted

>>18934597
Stop ignoring context of why those schizos flared up

>>18934422
i am sorry, we are on 4chan, so the only anon i recognize is nuefag. i said i agree with your reasoning, but fuck your execution.

>>18934597
The autists were 100% justified in this case.

>>18934616
Do you forget why the thread elected Nue to begin with?

>>18934644
He was expected to be neutral and then spit on his supposed neutrality for this incident?

>>18934644
No, but if he couldn't neutrally arbirtrate a dispute that a majority of the thread already supported and decided to focus on schizos instead of the Kronies here who were trying to keep it all civil, then he was never cut out for this.

>>18934684
>>18934729
Bros you dont understand
He represents the UN
And like the UN they are only neutral as long as it fits their favor. So his actions justified his role

>>18934613
If you look up the poll on warosu you'll find it has only been posted here. It was specifically made so it wouldn't be crossposted to infinity and be raided. The Kronie who made that poll took that into account so that it would purely be for /vtwbg/

>>18934684
>>18934729
He is a person and not an infallible god. People make mistakes, and act in illogical ways. A far bigger problem in my view is the demonization of Nue and the overreaction to what happened.
I have no doubts he would have listened if only the situation was handled reasonably and not with a schizo overreaction.

>>18934644
Nue moved the position of the island to the west because he considered it more "thematically appropriate" and asked us to just take it. He stopped being neutral at that moment.

>>18934771
He he was really the UN, he would have done nothing and just wrote a hand wringing post.

>>18934785
He left exactly when such a reasonable person came along trying to talk to him, citing that maybe he should leave like the schizos wanted him to, and then left.

>>18934791
He didn't move it, he proposed the location and asked for a compromise. Did you even read his post? >>18896202

>>18934804
Nah the UN still did something. Those whiteshirts peacekeepers exist for a reason.
The League of Nation? Now those guys are giga cucks

>>18934880
He's more like the UN security council, the moment one of the members has their own agenda, they're hapless.

The sheer amount of historical revisionism in this thread after someone took the effort to present the whole situation with links to posts, it's astounding.

>>18934828
Unknown background state of mind + a shitstorm he did not ask for. His response was a very human one.

>>18934857
>but every other nation has at least been willing to compromise on positioning, so I hope that you guys will be willing to as well.
That's a hand-wringing sublte strong-arm if I've ever seen one. He says this right after Kronies talked about them already compromising on size and design, and one of the first replies to that post was pointing that out in a civil manner. He still left and acted like only schizos reacted to him.

>>18934932
Who are the illuminati jews of /vt/?
We need to write our own Protocol of Zion

>>18934946
The real "compromise" was the Kronies getting to add and design on their own (!!!) a brand new landmass. The fact that the thread didn't completely object to the claim in the first place (there was disagreement over it, still, but people waited for the specifics) doesn't give you a carte blanche to do whatever you want.

>>18934857
I maintain this was incredibly stupid suggestion to make. Everyone, including Nuefag, knew that Kronies were die-hard on the position of their island. This was never gonna end in anything other than a shitfest.

>several threads of progress and normalcy
>/inf/ arrives
>everything becomes gay
ssg

>>18934946
Not only that, they were civilly discussing making a change amongst themselves and are waiting for climatefag to make sure it doesn't mess with anything.
>>18932037

>>18935009
And we knew that. That's why we changed the size, thrice, changed the topography, and then offered to change the design. The schizos only started to act up when he proposed we just dump all prior negotiations and move us back to mainland. You'll notice it all went downhill from there.

>>18935141
You could have incrementally changed the size 50 times pixel by pixel for all that I care. You weren't "moved" to the mainland either, you're still an island.

>>18934532
you said it wasn't a concern because when the shitposters come and say you got your way, there wont be backing because nobody would want an island later on. that was before you guys strong armed a decision, which is an even worse precedent to be combined with the one from before. basically, you appealed to your interpretation of what people will think in the future, something you have no basis for, and thus i refuted you on that and have yet to recieve a reply beyond demeaning nonsense. i voted in favor of the island because i assumed 1) that you wouldn't shit the bed, and 2) it would solve part of the problem. it didn't.

>>18934543
back then 4chan was a smaller, less fucking retarded community. still retarded, just less so. you can't expect anarchy to work on a larger scale.

>>18935126
>>18935190
He proposed we move back to the mainland when he said the aesthetics didn't match + he wanted us close to our gen. It was the one he made before the joke Great Britain island.

What are you all hoping to achieve with this argument?

>>18935283
Correct the Record ™ and move blame from all of the Kronies, to a handful of schizos and the thinskinned tripfag who didn't respond to any civil requests

>>18935283
in this case. coheasion, retribution, and/or setting the record.

>>18934857
He moved it and told us to accept it and named it compromise. Isn't that what that post is to put it bluntly? It's only later when he was leaving he said he would have let us keep the position. Why do we have to make compelling arguments, redesign the island after receiving feedback, consider climate and other things but he gets to flip around an island, fling it east and west anywhere he wants for his own reasons without discussion? Why was he mad that a few kronies were pissed? Why did that make him leave? Are we really the unreasonable ones? If we are unreasonable, I feel like no one would have agreed that we should have the island in the first place?

>>18935126
There's also that, thank you.

>>18935283
I honestly just want for Nuetralfag to come back, admit he didn't handle this properly, and introduce some system for solving disputes moving forward so this will not repeat again. Hopefully the situation can de-escalate and we can finally move on without setting a dangerous precedent of singular threads being able to basically hijack the entire project.

I'm a bit torn on the issue itself, because I wanted for /infinity/ to have the island. Some of their posters made good contributions and deserved a bit of elbow grease, but the last couple of threads and OPs (no lore updates, no goal updates, no most recent maps, just the map with /infinity/ island added) were terrible.

>>18935352
Consider: There is no unreasonable side here, just two sides with incomplete information on the other clashing over perceived injustices.

>>18935352
you should move to arabia. their barter system combined with your genius level iq will give you all the money you deserve in no time. combine it with your insistance that the price is automatically set even when they offer compromises and you'll surely hit it big.

>>18935352
I wish I could turn back the clock and not agree to the island in the first place, given the result. So yeah, take this as you will, but this will shape the way some posters in this thread see /infinity/ moving forward.

>>18935323
>>18935332
Is there anyone here who still blames all the kronies for what happened and not just some individual schizos?

>>18935461
>but this will shape the way some posters in this thread see /infinity/ moving forward.
Yeah, probably, but given that you have the information on what happened available, there is no reason for you to be one of those posters. Infact, you can help correct the record and mediate the situation.

>>18935476
The post above you
The guy who keeps saying "this is 4chan" like that justifies a tripfag trying repeatedly to make us """compromise""" in ways that do not benefit us
More than a few anons when Neufag initially left

>>18935537
i have decided to refer to (you) as badfaith anon, but jesse might be true as well. badfaith anon, please take your meds and stop making claims whose counterarguments you can't possibly defend against. also kill yourself, that would help a lot.

>>18935196
We never said nobody would want an island or there won't be shitposters. We said infinity getting an island wouldn't be precedent for new people to come in and demand an island because we claimed territory early on in the process and worked with people here to get it up to standards, within the area given to us. And maybe shitposters might use our case to argue for their own islands anyways. But shitposters can shitpost even if infinity doesn't get the island and it's better to have positive relationship with contributors than a negative one.

>>18935476
Since I don't believe in historical revisionism, I blame the Kronie schizos who, sadly, are still Kronies. I don't blame all of you, but don't try to hide that a lot of posters even in this thread are trying to argue an alternate history to what is documented >>18925120 here. In the end, the truth is >>18935438.
>>18935639
Not helping. Consider stopping posting, for the good of the thread and rest of the Kronies here.

>>18935714
>Since I don't believe in historical revisionism, I blame the Kronie schizos who, sadly, are still Kronies.
Good, then we agree on that every kronie isnt at fault.

>>18935655
the problem is how loosely implied the "promise" was, and how late the island came. that argument is therefore too weak. granted, there is now a new precedent. the loudest bitchfit is the victor. i don't need to spell out how that will go.

>>18935779
Finally, a voice of reason. Jesus.

Hey i'm the artfag from last night coming to visit, is everything alright? Does anything need correction or revision?

>>18935779
Fortunately there is nothing forcing >us to follow that precedent.

>>18935804
We're still in a bit of a timeloop era, there's some confusion going on. Hold on a little bit longer, artbro.

>>18935815
then there is nothing that will guide you now. anarchy may have worked a bit with principles backing it, but with this we truly have chaos.

>>18935779
>how late the island came
The kronie lorefag who made the rentry in the OP already proposed an initial island design in the territory they claimed before. It never made sense to move infinity out of the Borg cube because the Borg cube was one of the oldest claims in this map and the islands on it were one of the first to be placed down with lore.

>>18935848
Oh there can still be principles, and one of those would be to not let a bad precedent rule over just because something happened once and the infinity island situation is far far more complex than just "loudest bitchfit is the victor"

Also, could someone create a new OP, including the proper map (not just a lazy /infinity claim again), with reworked goals/added lore? A lot of loreposts were lost due to half-assed OPs.

>>18935804
Just waiting for climatefag to return to ask him about flipping the island given someone here let that cat out of the bag while watching this timeloop play out again.

>>18935916
This is dependent on the placement. Where if your island placed?

>>18935914
I propose https://files.catbox.moe/gcitmj.jpg as the OP

>>18935940
not that one. I don't like the colors. The other one with softer colors

>>18935933
Northeast of the Hololive continent. See >>18935940

>>18935933
The exact same spot as was agreed to, just flipped. I just wanted to check with climatefag before doing it to make sure it doesn't mess with things.

>>18935901
A "precedent" is something that only has to happen once. This means that if something went against my general, I'm free to rally them up, raid the thread, shit it up, get my way by taking over, and finally try to push the blame on "a few bad apples". It doesn't work like that. There's a reason why Nue had to step up in the first place.
>>18935940
Looks alright unless someone posts a better version.

>>18935880
how late the ISLAND came.

>>18935996
upthread someone posted the crosspost to the better version

>>18935916
So like this?

>>18936035
If you refer to the one with simpler colors, that one doesn't have the updated locations. (I'll work on that later)

>>18936109
Exactly. Thank you.

>>18935996
so... are you going to raid the thread if next bitchfit isnt given what they want?

To people complaining about the island coming late, they're forgetting that nuetralfag made this post.
>>18484227
The location to the northwest was a provisional one until the island was submitted, which it was.
His post also foreshadowed his intention to push his own version of lore that ended up becoming his undoing.

>>18936171
It really shouldn't affect much outside your island itself but I'll do you a quick review on it.

>>18936211
>his undoing
I don't know, if he were to come back I'd welcome him here normally.

>>18936178
Nah, I'll much more likely abayo from the thread completely if it devolves into an undecipherable mess of drama and anarchy, and I expect some other loreposters to do the same. There is no shortage of people who live and thrive in the drama though, so I'd expect bitchfits a lot going forward since it was just shown that they work.

>>18936267
Only if he apologizes for his actions and we hammer out rules for settling disputes.

The bitch fits only worked because Neu let it work. I saw multiple posts from Kronies trying to keep it civil both here and on their thread. Even amidst the chaos they tried to make actual arguments instead of bitch fits. Neu came back and only let the schizos affect him.

This can't be blamed on bitch fits and doesn't set any precedent, except maybe the precedent not to let schizo retards affect you on the most schizo board on the most retarded website

>>18936315
I don't think he has to apologize for his actions per se, but he should admit that he handled it poorly. I agree completely that the whole thing shows there has to be some other way of handling disputes, and the /infinity/ island should be the first to go through that process, just to undo the "angry takeover into getting what you want" precedent.

Speaking of the latter part, actually - how would that way work? A tripfag to watch the tripfag? But then, who watches the tripfag?
Polls won't work, because a) they are decently easy to rig and brigand b) the ones in this thread don't last long enough for posters to properly respond to them.

>>18936299
It was shown to work only because nuefag quit. We could have continued the discussion and come to an agreement but nuefag blew that chance by leaving.

>>18936477
I feel each thread should have a designated representative, and not a bunch of anons clamoring for recognition, which leaves a lot of room open for shitposters to stir things up for laughs.

>>18936477
Technically the infinity island did go through the process where it was submitted and then changed to fit the demands of everyone else. As long as you don't have schizo bad actors trying to intentionally shit things up, it works.
The only problem is nuefag decided to take a go it alone attitude because he wanted his version of lore to take priority, which is what set off the chain of events to where we are right now.

>>18936617
That "problem" is how zoning argument was overcome in the first place. The idea was to hand over a part of the creative direction decision-making to a third party so things can move forward rather than eternally stagnating, so this was basically his job. He suggested a place that would have made more sense in-universe and then left for a while, perhaps to sleep, perhaps to work, doesn't matter. He comes back to a thread on fire accusing him of intentionally making the island smaller and moving it away.

So...what is the next plan of action for the whole island debacle? Where do we stand right now? Are we waiting on someone to respond or are we making circles about the ordeal? I feel it would be good to know where we are now to look ahead easier, maybe the path ahead is simpler than what it looks like.

>>18936556
Good idea. How would threads nominate representatives? What medium would be used for the representatives to communicate? What if a thread wants to change their representative, or two people claim to be representatives of the same thread?

I'm in favor of this, but a lot of details have to be ironed out so it's doable.

>>18936524
the influence of the schizos changed the precedent being set. any negotiation after that point would have been in vain. he left because the thread reached the point of no return, and no matter what he would do, it would stir a shit show. first it was that he was to blame for not bending over more than he already was, now he is blamed for the opposite. you people...

>>18936798
How did nuefag become nuefag? A system was already in place.

>370 posts
>28 IPs
people are leaving

>>18936839
Nuefag volunteered after several people suggested for a tripfag mediator and since >he did it for free, no one really objected. He then did a lot of good work and became accepted by the virtue of basically reviving the entire project. I don't expect for this to be replicated for every single thread on this board.

>>18936754
That's only because there was a stalemate and an actual arbiter needed to break the deadlock. Infinity island was already solved so nuefag was just a hammer looking for nails. We should add that we can have an arbiter, but if the thread itself comes to a consensus, he's not to interfere.

>>18936863
Or it's the middle of the night and morning and this thread has moved lightening fast compared to previous ones?

>>18936863
As they should. Let /infinity/ have their thread of ash.
Schizos need to learn how to play with others. It's clear they're the ones that shit up the thread, tried to rewrite events, made baseless accusations, and kept bringing up "compromises", for their own island that they requested.

>>18936960
it's not the middle of the night, not everyone lives in a SEA country

>>18936903
We already have individuals who volunteer their time to work on this on behalf of their respective threads, all they have to do is put on trips and continue doing what they're doing. Of course this doesn't help us now with nuefag gone.

>>18937030
Your time reps of when the thread was made anonchama...

>>18925435
>Jesse is the name we've given to a schizo who has sworn to trash our thread no matter what
What the fuck, why?! As an Anon who's been here since >>17036859 and was the first one to suggest rotating >>17035436 in order to get >>17037922 (ref: >>17035568 ) this is extremely disheartening to hear, we've all been working on this for weeks!

>>18937129
Not this thread. /infinity/.

someone better start fixing the OP. I'm not good with those things

And remember: it's better for the OP to be reworked with care than done quickly this time.

>>18937251
>>18937206
Just list what needs to be added and where before this thread dies.

We can use this as the OP image. >>18935940

And we might as well add this >>18925120
since that time loop will continue we want something impartial that johnny come lateys can read.

>>18937334
it's better for >>18925120 to not be in the OP

>>18937395
it should be in the next threads to come

>>18937435
maybe in a reply but not in the OP. It's too long

>>18937334
There's several threads' worth of loreposts waiting to be added, I think the lsat additions happened 1.5 weeks ago or so? New OPs were just copy-pasted from the old ones without linking relevant lore... So likely go through 5-6 last threads to pick up loreposts and relevant proposals.

Update current goal. Maybe reformat the OP a bit so it's more readable. Link current maps and disputes, including the anon's summary of them.