/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>18919491

No idea where you'd draw the line. But Rushia made every effort to cross it and now its coming back to bite her.

Don't know or care about GFE but as a Fandead Rushia is my girlfriend and I'm her boyfriend. I don't see why that's unethical, it's just a wonky LDR
also leaving this thread and hiding it forever, bye faggots

It is unethical, but somehow western culture has normalized exploiting lonely men for cash. Everyone would be outraged if streamers were exploiting the elderly or mentally feeble.
If anything it's bad for society, the number of lonely men with nothing to lose just keeps Increasing with no end in sight. This will reach a catastrophic boiling point in our lifetime.

It is never unethical to sell a requested product or service to paying customers.

>>18919491
Rushia's particular brans of GFE is wrong because she went overboard. Stalked her mentally ill gachikoi online, sent threats and suicide bait if they watched other vtubers, even sold a fucking ENGAGEMENT RING as merch. She essentially gaslighted/abused countless schizos and got away with it a millionaire. Playing with the mentally ill is wrong because they can an hero over this.

>>18919692
Our economy had always been based on exploiting retards, but if the victim is male it's ok. If a man did what Rushia does he would be sued to death.

>>18919491
Nobody cares about the literal retards that fall for GFE shit so it doesn't matter how you exploit them.

Yes it is. It always has been and people didn't realize it till this blew up. It would be an opportunity to learn but too many people are getting manipulated in an opposite but similarly insidious scheme. Suddenly a bunch of vtubers are coming out strong on anti gfe and all the "woke" simps will flock to them when those same grifting niggers would do gfe for the big bucks had this whole thing not happened. If you're dead positive your vtuber has a history of being anti gfe and you're not just fabricating it to see what you want to see then have fun. If it suddenly happened you're on the ruse cruise.

>>18919714
wouldnt that justify slavery and paid murder? under that, I could request your death and pay for it as a customer. I dont give a shit about rushia.

>>18919491
Go back

>>18919692
Surely Japan knows how to deal with lonely men.

>>18919801
>Suddenly a bunch of vtubers are coming out strong on anti gfe
Name 5

>>18919714
*sells sugar pills to cancer patients after telling them it will cure them*

>>18919491
on one hand it's unethical since it takes advantage of lonely men, on the other hand only a retard would fall for gfe

>>18919491
to be good at GFE one must already had a boyfriend so she knows what her paypigs want in order to willingly give up their money to her.

>>18919883
Japan, and Asia in general, are particularly terrible when it comes to handling mental health, mainly because of the "saving face" cultural bullshit. Families just lock their schizos in their rooms. Thus the only real social interaction they get is online, making them vulnerable to predatory people like Rushia
Then again the West is just as bad, their mental health protocol is to pump them full of drugs and hope for the best

>>18920106
There's genuinely nothing you can do for schizos other than lock them away from the rest of the world.

>>18919491
>Is providing gfe unethical?
If a chuuba tries to string her fans along and make them actually believe she's their girlfriend? Yes. But if it's tongue in cheek GFE like Nene and her husband collection then it's completely ethical since it isn't intended to trick anyone.

>>18919935
You don't notice anyone at all suddenly anti gfe? Not one person?

>>18920319
Name them faggot.

>>18919491
>Is providing gfe unethical?
yes, buying into it is stupid though

>>18919491
It's only unethical if you decide to betray your audience by getting a boyfriend in secret.

>>18919714
It's unethical to make false claims about the product you're selling.

>>18919491
yes it is. it's enabling the mentally ill, who think vtubers can replace social interaction. the purchaser has free will to spend money, so the majority of the responsibility is on them, but the provider isn't without fault.

I don't watch gfe vtubers. the ones I watch are actually talented and don't need to resort to pandering to bottom of the barrel losers just to be successful.

>>18919714
thats retarded. there are countless unethical products and unethical buyers.

>>18919985
>takes advantage of lonely men
Why are we acting like these lonely men lack any autonomy or responsibility for their own actions? They're making the conscious choice to buy into the roleplay. They know anime girls aren't real and that they're voice actresses. They're still choosing to suspend their disbelief and donate. That's on them, they knew what this was going in.

>>18922569
So, the victim of a scam is not a victim cause he, himself fell for the scam?

>>18919636
I think the moment a streamer starts telling their viewers that they can't watch other streamers then they've crossed a line.

>>18919491
GFE in itself is not unethical. Look at the rent a girlfriend services available in Japan. What is unethical is promising a relationship and mirage to people over the internet for the soul purpose of squeezing money out of them.

>>18919755
>If a man did what Rushia does he would be sued to death.
don't worry, Vox is doing just fine

>an anime girl tell some gf-like shit to an audience of thousands of people
>somehow a schizo thinks it means she loves him and only him
you have to be an absolute retard to take it seriously, it's a game of pretend, have fun with it but don't get so invested

>>18922658
>victim of a scam
do you realize you are talking about an anime girl? holy shit fandeads are beyond saving mentally

>>18923763
Vox doesn't stalk and gaslight his fans.

GFE is just a game: the most dangerous game.

>>18924072
Isn't Rushia a yandere? I thought that's all part of the character she plays?

>>18923763
Vox doesn't try to force his viewers to not watch other streamers, nor does he suicide bait

>>18927290
Not really a character when she's explicit about not donating to other girls.

>>18927290
It stops being an act when you start manipulating people for real.
if she would honest about it being an act or at least put a description under her suicide baiting it would be fine, but she does the complete opposite.

>>18927290
Playing with the lives of mentally ill suicidals is high risk, high reward.

>>18927290
She’s going to kill herself anon

>>18919491
I don't think it's unethical but don't be surprised about who you're selling the experience to. Lonely dudes on the internet who genuinely eat that shit up can be incredibly vindictive if the façade is pulled back. They should expect blowback if another man is in the mix.

>>18919491
there's like CP rings on youtube and you're wondering if mentally ill retards giving money to an anime girl for a service is unethical

whats unethical is NOT telling these mentally ill fans to neck themselves

>>18919491
It's unethical for the most part for sure. However, what if a GFE vtuber instead of preying on her audience would instead push them to better her audience and then push them to actually find a significant other in real life?

>retards think that this 2d avatar is her "girlfriend"
>the same slut that stripped on fucking niconico
they deserved it desu

>>18919491
you sure talk a lot, tranny

>>18922658
So the own delusions of someone who thinks a girl behind a 2D avatar that streams for 5k+ people is specifically HER GIRLFRIEND is now a scam?

>>18919491
Is consuming gfe unethical?
I would assume that only people who are mentally ill would willingly provide strangers with a girlfriend experience so wouldn't that mean any gfe watcher is exploiting the mentally ill?

>>18922169
> the ones I watch are actually talented and don't need to resort to pandering to bottom of the barrel losers just to be successful.
I can guess, you watch Doggo and the two stooges. Nailed it.

>>18919491
Rushia can't live with Mafumafu in the first place. Coco suggest place for Rushia and that has strict security.

If Rushia live or date with Mafumafu, Chinks who harrassing Coco for 2 years must find them already!

You dumb fuck should believe in Rushia more !

If not just believe in chinks's hate to Hololive!

>>18919491
>Is providing gfe unethical?
No; people stupid enough to genuinely believe a random Internet stranger is their girlfriend, or that she doesn’t have a personal life of her own, deserve to be parted with their money

>>18928917
An effective AI would not have this problem. Instead of multiple faceless women exploiting men out of their paychecks, it would be multiple channels made by one ugly bastard grinning and rubbing his hands furiously.

I remember a compact PC with a holographic display that sends you get texts, and messages in social media they probably have access to the data in some capacity, downright creepy.
What happened to that project did it flop? It hasn't been mentioned on here for years.

>>18927791
She's not

>>18927820
Rushia's biggest mistake was doing it with a guy who had legions of fujos lusting after him. They're a hell of a lot more likely to make your life a living hell than her old fans would.

>>18919755
>Stalked her mentally ill gachikoi online, sent threats and suicide bait if they watched other vtubers
hot.

Why don’t fandeads and fujos just fuck each other, I still don’t get it

>>18928335
人を上から目線しやがって!!!レイプで正してやる!!!

>>18929212
>An effective AI would not have this problem. Instead of multiple faceless women exploiting men out of their paychecks, it would be multiple channels made by one ugly bastard grinning and rubbing his hands furiously.
This is unironically the only way to remain uncucked long term. As long as there’s a 3DPD in the loop, you’re guaranteed to get cucked at some point. Ideally the source code would be FOSS so you can build and run it locally so nobody can ever mess with your waifu on the cloud.

>>18919491
It's only unethical if you're betraying them

>>18920331
NTA but NijiEN

>>18932731
and make that Rushia cunt watch

>>18919491
About as ethical as gachas.

>>18922658
Uhh, yeah ?
Pyramid schemes ? Pachinko ? Gacha ? Lootboxes ? NFTs ? Cigarettes ? Alcohol ?
I mean, shit, maybe gfe really should come with a disclaimer. Then again it's japan and they'd rather sell big shiny things than to treat mental disorders. Not that it would stop people.

>>18919491
In japan sex service is banned, through history they have this ouran geisha thing, so it was normal for them to create all sort of business that does not rely on vaginal sex. Vtuber is a derivate of those services which exploded in popularity before reaching us. So we are only having a cultural clash.
For the average male Japanese the situation is grim, you guys should see documentaries on these topics, practically your male jap has to come in terms that all beautiful girls had or will participate in the sex industry, as well may cheat no their husband to get extra income. From this you can realize why vtubers are open to sex related topics, this is normal for the female Japanese.

Putting all together, we are new to this thing of going into night entertainment clubs where hostesses offer emotional support in exchange of money, for the japs is something partially traditional. Paying is not really frowned, but again the entire population does not engage at it. This is a niche, an extension of the pink district or whatever is called. Remember, they active hours are at night, you know well what sort of business run at those hours in your city.
In the end, is GFE bad? Yes, not because is evil, shady or twisted, but because you are in the wrong place.

I could shorten this reply to two sentences but this damn place is prone to cherry pick everything in order to bait others with senseless discussion.

>>18919491
Using GFE to make profit out of lonely people that are unable to get a partner due to their own shortcomings is an unethical practice, there's a huge difference between the streamer being nice/comforting the the viewers and the streamer outright pretending to have a deeper relationship with the viewer, even claiming you're friends with your fans is kind of pushing it to an uneasy spot.
Thing is, the target for GFE should be people that can't get a partner due to factors outside their own control;
Imagine you're mr Takeshi, you're in your mid thirties, you work in a shitty office from early morning to late night, you have no time for yourself so there's no chance in hell you'll have time to develop a relationship with anyone, you are completely alone in life, so what does mr Takeshi do? he resorts to a form of escapism, something to fill the void and loneliness he's stuck in, and it turns out that one of those options for escapism is watching a GFE streamer, she tells Takeshi that she cares about him, that she loves him for who he is and they "share" moments via streams, all of these feelings, the comfort he gets from someone showing an ounce of kindness to him, it's all real to him. There's hundreds of mr Takeshis out there, and some of them are wealthier and can afford to send donations to the streamer, they're all lonely people that feel they'll forever be stuck alone by themselves.
Is this exploiting lonely people? yes it is. Do the exploited people care, or rather, should they even care? I don't know, it's an unhealthy system, but it makes them happy as long as it works properly (aka no illusion breaking yabs), there's a big chance that a lot of them are perfectly aware of the whole GFE thing being fake, that the person behind the screen doesn't truly care about them, but they choose to keep rolling with it because, what's the alternative? going back to eating dinner by yourself in a shitty apartment and not having anyone or anything to tell you "I love you" when you get back home?

>>18919565
fpbp

>>18919491
It's unethical if you're selling GFE and then lying while doing so. In Rushia's case this being hardcore GFE, to the point of selling a fucking lifelong engagement ring, as well as constantly and consistently reassuring fandeads that they could trust her and that she woud never betray them.
That turned out to be a big fat lie because not only did she lie about being too shy/scared to speak to and interact with males (she spoke to and interacted with Mafumafu who, contrary to his appearance, is in fact a male), but she also betrayed them by trying to get together with/was fucking with a femboy twink. How anyone is able to trust her after that is beyond me.

In summary, Rushia is a con artist and a vile, disgusting individual and should serve as a warning sign to stay away from GFE (because if the queen of GFE did these things imagine what the others are doing). With that said, it's not like her fans are blameless; they're retarded for falling for it in the first place and actually believing she was legitimately in love with them. It's peak mental illness and delusion.

I'm glad I've never been remotely interested in GFE because it's always come across as exceptionally fake to me.

>>18919714
as long as it's not against the law, yes

>>18919714
It is never unethical to remove parasitic smut peddlers, preying on the mentally ill and those struggling with the perils of modernity, from the peoples' body.

>>18935542
Retard, it is opposite

> Mafumafu love Rushia
> but Rushia just friend with him

>>18935542
Seriously, she's a master at this GFE thing, I get it. But how can you not understand all this as an act, or a paid "product" as she is doing for everyone else on the stream?
So it is all real, she really is a girlfriend of a mentally ill fan or better, she a girlfriend for all her mentally ill fans. This shit is already fucked up from the get go, right? Isn't this infidelity/lying? So, as long as it is a platonic fan is ok to treat everyone else as a boyfriend?

What the hell is that? How can you not understand this as an act?
Her only mistake was being dumb and mixing her private life with her work one, letting discord notifs on. Now she's paying the price.

>>18919491
No. I don't see it as a hustle. If men are stupid to fall for it, all glory to Rushia.

>>18922169
Why let a mentally ill person have a computer or a phone them? Why let them make a youtube account? A bank account?

>>18919714
Potheadbro...

>>18919714
Why are drugs illegal then?

>>18919491
it goes both ways to point the finger. Your an idiot for falling for her. She's not real. The real person is acting and people should know that but what she was doing was extremely predatory and she should have never gone as far as she did. She made her bed and now shes lays in it.

>>18936243
Drug is illigal in your country?

>>18935879
Cope ESL. All evidence points towards Rushia being the one obsessed with him, not the opposite.

>>18919491
>Is providing gfe unethical?
Yes, it's unironically taking advantage of mental illness/the want of a relationship and bypassing any sort of path to a real relationship and skipping straight to baiting people into spending money on someone that doesn't even know them personally.
I don't get why it took off at all, but dating apps took off for a similar reason, and dating apps are equally as toxic.

>>18922683
I don’t think it was so much that, I think it was when she reportedly would stalk some fandead. I think that’s where it got out of hand, but then again I also heard that Lamy has a list of all her yukimin so who knows.

>>18936243
Alcohol and Tobacco are drugs. They're just drugs with good PR.

>>18936597
Congratulations, you've just discovered consoomerism.

>>18936528
It is really opposit anon.
" Action is louder than word"

> this is not the first drama time for Mafu.
> but this is the first time he not throw female ( Rushia) under the bus.
> He admit lied to his's fan and protect Rushia from his fan. He did it even his fan angry to him
> He slaps Kore's face and make him as lair in subtle way from his talk.

Tldr:
Mafu's word : not love Rushia for protecting her live.
Mafu's action : He always love Rushia

>>18936600
> do not know Vtubers always stalk her's gachikoi in secret.

Anon... I....

>>18935542
She's selling the EXPERIENCE. That doesn't make her your girlfriend. Seems to me fandeads got what they paid for at the time.

The experience(s) are now over. If you wanna pay again, I'm sure she can still deliver a great experience.

>>18919491
Rushia thigh sex

>>18937124
The only experience she can deliver now is NTR GFE.

>>18936597
It’s unironically no different than selling heroin to a junkie then defending yourself by saying “it makes them happy”

>>18934026
based, rushia cuckqueen stream when?

>>18936600
Does she stalk the biggest paypig or just the most attractive high profile casual fans?

>>18923763
You could've just said Mafumafu and it would've actually worked you idiot

>>18937350
Which ones give her money and which ones don't? There's your answer. She's not stalking them out of love, she's stalking them to make sure they don't drift off towards other chuubas and give them money instead of her.

DON’T LEAVE ME RUSSIA ILL GET THE AYY SURGERY! I’LL TAKE THE VOCAL TRAINING! I’LL BECOME THE TOFU TWINK JUST FOR YOU

>>18919692
This

>>18937480
kek so it’s like the “customer retention” department of your cable company. What a calculating bitch.

>>18936597
I'm not mentally ill. I pay for her gfe because i like it and the opinion of someone I've never met should have no influence on my freedom.
If you're mentallynill maybe you should be on the internet for starters.

>>18937779
>I pay for her gfe
How does it feel being a literal cuckold?

>>18919491
So what is the alternative for those viewers before they fall for GFE? Those lonely people who don't want the hassle of a real relationship.

>>18919692
I agree, this summed you my thoughts nicely.

>>18938042
Wait for 27 years

>>18923763
Vox:
>Doesn't actively pretend he is the actual real boyfriend of people in the chat, not even close, its all limited to a banter. This cannot be compared to shit Rushia did.
>Doesn't bait with suicide.
>Is actually concerned about mental health if his viewers, at least to the extend where he doesn't want to make it worse, fujos are beyond help.
>doesnt have mental breakdowns on streams.
>Doesn't bait pity and attention.
>Understands his responsibility as the largest NiniEN and constantly tells his viewers to check other nijis.

>>18921205
Literal consoomer, holy shit. "They should've consoom a better product".

>>18920331
Any time this topic comes up in NijiEN every one of them, maybe except Finana, tells its bad. But fish is mentally sometimes 5 sometimes 15 yo so please andastandu.

>>18919491
Observing Rushia and her audience even before this whole drama had been fascinating to say the least, don't even watch her. I've always considered GFE streamer to be in the gray area and mostly looked down on those viewer who fall for it. Idk if it's cuz being a Holofag bias so i'm really looking into it but this drama make me feel much more sympathy for these kind of people. It's still surprised me when her "delusion" seemed to be broken and seeing the reaction of those "pathetic human" that i'd always been looking down on. Seeing past those noisy sound of drama whore and outsider, i saw those dumbass being sad. Of course they were, their GF delusion just got broken but still majority of them supported her and just wished for her to be back. Like idk man, this doesn't seem to be a situation where we could just finger-pointing on who's right or wrong but just rather.. observe on the side.
some ESL take

>>18938042
AI-powered waifus though we’re still a few decades off. The younger zoomers may have access to them in their lifetimes but if you’re a 30 yr old boomer, I’m sorry.

>>18935185
UOOOOOOOOOOOOOH SEEEEEEEEEEEEGS
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SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEGS

>>18939108
Rushia is the fentanyl dealer and her simps are the druggies. The latter needs help and the former needs beheading.

>>18936350
Her being an actress with a 2D avatar is only secondary to the main problem. There are GFE-streamers who show their real faces, but they're also "not real" in the sense of playing a character.
I think gfe, camwhoring, porn are all dirty industries, but gfe and camwhoring are way more insidious for the consumer, because they result in an exploitative power dynamic.
Porn on the other hand has another big problem. The industry is cut-throat, degrading, exploitative and takes it's toll on everyone involved. Whorehouse even more so (e.g. human trafficking, pimping, manipulating minors like the child-abuse ring in Great Britain did)

2D is probably the best solution to this conundrum.

>>18938026
I dont actually was just making a point against tiranny. Ive never used my credit card info online, never bought anything online, i dont own accounts and never appear in photographs. I only have a phone because of work

>>18919491
yes

no, it's not unethical. the target audience are people who are very lonely and sad and are going to keep being lonely and sad and she provides them some comfort that they otherwise strictly would not be able to get at all. she's not withholding it from people who don't pay her enough, and it's clearly absurd to say she's exploiting them. on the other hand, i think critics are being deceptive about their motivations, and that they actually know that they're trying to take something comforting away from her audience, which is pretty despicable.

>>18919491
It's GFE, Girlfriend EXPERIENCE.
It's like when people go into a cabaret club, or maid cafe, or paying for one of those rent-a-girlfriend/mom/little sister service.
The experience ends when the time runs out.
Your GFE with Rushia ends when the stream ends. It's that simple.
You are not even paying for the service in advance. It's a DONATION system.
You don't have to pay for the experience, but you can donate if you think she did a great job.

>Lonely men
Males who throw their money irresponsibly like this towards something they do not fully understand (it's not even an investment to make more money) cannot be called a "man".
It's your responsibility to draw the line yourselves.