/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list athttps://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *

Here it goes
>90,647: Okayu (Hololive)
>38,729: Pekora (Hololive)
>28,706: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>28,412: Toya (Nijisanji)
>18,483: Laplus (Hololive)
>18,394: Patra (774 Inc.)
>16,990: Vox (Nijisanji)
>15,605: Gatchman (indie)
>14,933: Fubuki (Hololive)
>14,182: Iroha (Hololive)
>13,533: Tamaki (NoriPro)
>11,184: Fauna (Hololive)
>10,633: Hal (Indie)
>10,023: Mysta (Nijisanji)

One of the most diverse days in recent memory

February superchats so far
>Vox - $100,791
>Luca - $74,297
>Chloe - $69,972
>Aqua - $61,913
>Iroha - $59,786
>Flare - $55,475
>kson - $49,185
>Okayu - $48,275
>Fuwa - $47,897
>Ike - $45,835
>Nene - $44,224
>Koyori - $44,096
>Oliver - $39,166
>Rushia - $36,877
>Shu - $35,634
>Pekora - $31,422
>Kanae - $30,225
>Lamy - $30,071

>>18897040
this one

Towa celebration was like the whole day despite having a smaller fanbase.
Why does Kenzoku has a bigger overlap with /vt/ than other HoloJP?

*Today's SC*

Aqua Dadadada Tenshi joins the 15m view club, Omedetou!

>>18897517
cascading effect from saviourfagging when the /jp/ threads were in the explosive growth phase

>>18897659
Why doesnt she wear her undie?

>>18897639
Ksonbros...

/#/ is declining.

>>18897639
Mythbros?

>>18897639
Superchats for reaching 1 million subs
>Marine - $64,077
>Rushia - $63,006
>Pekora - $48,178
>Watame - $45,045
>Calliope - $44,817
>Ayame - $43,970
>Kanata - $42,241
>Miko - $42,056
>Kiara - $40,419
>Subaru - $38,755
>Coco - $32,575
>Noel - $31,174
>Suisei - $29,888
>Okayu - $26,412
>Botan - $24,066
>Aqua - $23,885
>Gura - $17,547
>Korone - $17,359
>Amelia - $15,976
>Fubuki - $14,995
>Ina - $13,105
>Haato - $11,008
>Matsuri - $8,578
>Moona - $3,539

>>18897659
LOB U ONYON!!!!!

>>18897945
hey, man

>>18898063
>Moona - $3,539
If moona isn't debuffed by ID tag, this won't happen
Thank god anycolor restructured ID and KR

>>18897130

*FINAL EN TALLY OF YESTERDAY*

Here it goes
>17,336: Vox (Nijisanji)
>11,162: Fauna (Hololive)
>10,029: Mysta (Nijisanji)
>9,942: Mori (Hololive)
>9,286: Mumei (Hololive)
>8,358: Fauna (Hololive)
>6,307: IRyS (Hololive)

>>18898283
EN Gold so far for February

1. Gura (Hololive) - 14,594
2. Amelia (Hololive) - 16,124
3. Baelz (Hololive) - 13,090
4. Gura (Hololive) - 15,901
5. Gura (Hololive) - 21,737
6. Gura (Hololive) - 15,900
7. Baelz (Hololive) - 9,914
8. Mumei (Hololive) - 15,409
9. Vox (Nijisanji) - 14,841
10. Mori (Hololive) - 21,458
11. Kronii (Hololive) - 11,342
12. Baelz (Hololive) - 12,112
13. Ike (Nijisanji) - 11,391
14. IRyS (Hololive) - 15,466
15. Nijisanji English Official (Nijisanji) - 22,662
16. Gura (Hololive) - 18,916
17. Gura (Hololive) - 16,266
18. Kiara (Hololive) - 19,426
19. Mori (Hololive) - 26,667
20. Gura (Hololive) - 17,726
21. Gura (Hololive) - 33,028
22. Vox (Nijisanji) - 17,336

Hololive - 18
Nijisanji - 4
Others - 0

>>18898283
Kys

>>18898330
>IRyS won on Valentines Day
Only day that matters. IRyS confirmed for best GFE. I love my Nephilim wife!!

>>18897903
>>18898136
Yeah like Luna did.
Oh wait she's still ten times more successful in Holo than niji.
Nobody gives that much of a shit about tribalfags.

>>18898330
So...this is power of EN

>>18898188
Yeah, HOTS sure is doing well after blizzard put it on life support isn't it?

How can the Niji girls be saved, bros?
I wonder what are they thinking with this whole situation.
Manjisanji and Anycolor slowly killing them.
No support, no viewership, no gachikois.

I don't give a fuck about the faggots but I feel bad for some of the girls.
They don't deserve this.

>>18898548
Because it is 2019 now and everything is the same as it was then.

>>18898555
Yeah and? Any streamer would kill for numbers like that. Just because they aren't as big as JP numbers doesn't mean they are bad. Also, there are multiple reasons why JP numbers are bigger, and no, I'm not talking about the cull. They aren't exactly on an even playing field as far as CCV is concerned. That is one of the main reasons I said "fuck it" and decided to do EN gold.

>>18898616
I think they need permissions.

>>18898616
You can't. It's over.

>>18898616
They can be saved by leaving Nijisanji.
It's the Nijisanji meta.

>>18898569
As somebody who watched it live you are 100% on point. It was a special stream and the hype building as the numbers kept going up and up was something truly magical. That is why I said its one of the top 3 landmark streams for Hololive along with Coco's Graduation and Miko's Return 3D.

>>18898616
They're fine at the moment, other EN corpos survive on a fraction of that viewership.

>>18897517
towaposting is a tradition and naturally led to lots of people becoming kenzoku

>>18898826
>Miko's Return 3D
The threads on /jp/ when this was happening were otherworldly. For once our community wasn't total shit. Many tears flowed that day.

>>18898790
>>18898616
I hope Pomu at least makes it through the EN3 auditions.
I think she will do much better at Hololive and she would be able to collab with Kiara, too.
I think or hope she can be saved.

Going by their shitty general, the nijifaggots seem to not give a fuck about the girls' streams and if they are doing well or not so I hope she escapes that shitty situation.

>>18898661
Anon 2019-2020 was the height of the niji holo rivalry, and last I checked its not like stab over ip technology has been developed in the last two years so I'm really not getting how you think it was okay back in 2019 but doing it now would result in mass Holo stabbings.

Sub cull has started for all the new Niji boys except one. They're now at 14-15K. Alban is still at 30K

>>18898944
I'll accept pomu. She always has the knack to improve herself and actually caring about this industry AND want to aim further, aside from making a quick bucks or clout

>>18899018
Nevermind, just refreshed and he got culled down to 17K. Susan is ruthless!

>>18898661
There isn't even a company "rivalry" between Niji/Holo for western fans like there is in Japan. Jumping companies would obviously annoy some people but it wouldn't be that big of a deal.

>>18898944
Nijiniggers blame the livers for their lack of numbers instead of the company's lack of support.
It is known.

>>18898283
Don't kys

>>18899118
Thank you friend!

>>18899113
How could they "support" the EN girls any harder than they're being supported now?

>>18899113
It's up to the streamer to make appealing content that people want to watch, at the end of the day.

Kino stuff
https://youtu.be/dM-acWEiohM

>>18899018
>half of them
oh eyah these are going to be great to see.
Susan is gonna keep them sub 20k for the enxt days

>>18898616
They're doing just fine in the scheme of things. They'll be happy as long as they don't constantly ponder "what-if" scenarios about if they had gotten into HoloEN.

>>18833661
You okay anon?

>>18899018
Yep, fucking called it.
The culling happens around 'primetime NA' each day. I'm frankly not surprised they got absolutely savaged in subs. I think one of the indies that had their subs slashed mentioned that subbing from anywhere BUT the channel itself results in a much higher sub-slashing rate.
Probably an anti-botting measure turned up to 11 and they don't give a fuck to bother fixing.

>>18899207
> Please do my homework
Spend less money on buying game perms, and spend more on creative contents is a good move.
I already give you a freebie, but Nijisanji is a fucking joke of a company that they'll fail to do this somehow.

>>18899018
>>18899063
>Good job Susan, your package is in the mail

If the NijiEN girls had more time to grow would they have been more successful? Honest question. I don't see most of them doing any differently.

>>18899018
Oh no no no no, nijibros its already over

Lmao, holotrash are advertising their shitty expo on YT ads.
It is funny, considering how holokeks always scream "hahaha, NijiEN advertising their new waves on YT, my precious Holo doesn't need any YT ads, because it's already popular".

>>18899356
Susan up to her dirty tricks again. Can we assume the sub culling bot was implemented sometime between July and August 2021?

I say this because IRyS was totally untouched and then Council got absolutely raped and every Gen that has debuted since Council (whether Niji or Holo) has been affected by it.

>>18898963
2019 wasn't, and Moruru was a no name and still got some shit. Hololive have had vtubers graduate due to anti activity, however much you want to mischaracterise the concept with your retarded hyperbole. They're not going to want to risk willingly invite that onto themselves again.
>>18899099
There are plenty of seething tribalfags around, you just need to look at this board. Those are the unhinged faggots who actually cause trouble, even if the general mass don't care.

>>18899154
Perfect age to cure her from her shota addiction.

>>18899480
Tickets are already sold out. They are just flexing.

>>18899453
No, they all plateaued long before the next "wave" after them was released, with the debatable exception of Ethyria. I think Luxiem has more argument to be given extra time to build their fanbases, they certainly earned it, but it's too late for that now.

>>18899483
Irys got trashed too, it just wasn't as bad since she debuted solo and so it didn't trigger the youtube bots detecting algo where a bunch of accounts sub to newly debuted and unrelated accounts all at once

>>18899453
no, becasue they lack resources that management doesnt have.
Enna concert took monthsof work according to her. if the managment support them or give them more money to work with it would be a different story imo. HoloEn is similar but the girls earn so much more is not fair competition at the end.
>>18899483
it was already there BUT it ramped up around that time.

>>18899554
Any JP scalper ticket websites I can check to see how high people are selling their ticket for?

>>18899542
People here imagine they matter a lot more than they do, and the amount of people here who are fans of Nijisanji English is only faction of the overall board population. The amount of those that are crazy tribalists and not just people who use Nijis to troll is maybe 30 people?

>>18899453
Of course no.
It's impossible thing in vtubing, as recline is the default state for ANY vtuber. Any vtuber needs new things to stir everything up and become relevant.
If we had only 1-2 NijiEN waves by now, they are most likely to have 1.5x-2x less individual numbers than now.

so ina is going on a trip or what she is talking about
i came late as i went for some cookies.

>>18899596
I wonder if a spread out reveal would prevent the sub cull? Instead of revealing the accounts all at once, reveal them over the course of a week or two

>>18899542
If you honestly believe hololive won't hire pomu or whoever else if they choose to jump ship from niji to Holo because of fear of tribalfags then you are genuinely retarded.

>>18899483
Yes.
Edengumi got away unculled, but Council got kneecapped. I think early/mid August is when all the complaints started rolling in.

>>18899596
What did IRyS lose like 50-60k subs? vs 200k for Council, 180k for HoloX, 50k or some for Luxiem, and a much smaller number for Ethyria. Lazulight lost like 8k each except for Finana and I don't remember Obsydia's cut but they got hit in a small way too.

>>18899700
She's gonna be traveling for the next bit, but she's at home for now and testing her mobile setup.

>>18899207
>>18899269
it's funny how in Hololive, every single streamer is able to be successful, make a ton of money and be part of company wide collabs, promotions, sponsorships and events

>azki at nijisanji would be dead in the water but hololive is trying to boost her, puting her in hologra and I am expecting a lot of collabs in the future as she officially joins the rest of the chubas
>we see major sponsorships that include less popular members like Aki, Mel and Choco that are almost surely the management's work
>and again even less popular chubas get a lot of attention with their own 3D events pushed by everyone in the company (no overlaps, advertisement) that also lead to unique merch items that provide even those low-tier chubas with a lot of revenue

I really hate nijiniggers with their garbage takes

>>18899788
was worried she would leave another time slot empty
but glad she is at elast trying to stream on the go.

>>18899704
I think there's nothing that would prevent *some* cull. Youtube sees 100k people sub to someone who just opened their account it's gonna look suspicious no matter what. Staggering the reveals *might* mitigate things, but it might have to be weeks apart rather than a few days.

>>18899696
how is hololive keeping their chubas healthy then even the low tier ones?
you nijiniggers have no idea what you are talking about

>>18899828
Hololive is a stronger brand with fewer people to take care of, but even in this case there are plenty of streamers who lag behind. Roboco, Choco, Mel, Luna, Aki ect all get plenty of promotion, merch, sponsorships, ability to participate in events, events of their own for special occasions, and it still doesn't necessarily translate into many people watching them.

>>18899828
I mean, if you're Hololive you can look at Suisei's meteoric rise and probably think that investing in Azki is a great idea.

>>18899063
So Alban is the most popular one? Which is the least? They seem to have went with a "no content on their channel" approach this time. Also they aren't even linking their channels from the others streamers yet. They seem to be trying to actively duck getting many subs until the cull period is over?

>>18898848
But other corpos aren't increasing their roster like nijiEN is.

Is this a shill stream for Millie? What the hell is it.

>>18900104
he is the least popular one becaseu he doesnt understand the kayfabe thing.
and luxiem did all of that too.

>>18899828

NijiEN boost each other all the fucking time
They've had multiple sponsorships, often the exact same ones HoloEN have had

I'm not talking about NijiJP. NijiEN has had the resources and opporunities HoloEN have had minus the Hololive name

>>18900121
This is the end of new NijiEN waves until auditions are announced again, which I don't see happening until their first anniversary or even later into the year.

>>18900014
There's something more going on with successful music Holos than just investment. Mori and Suisei, super successful. Azki and Irys? Much less so. I think the distinguishing factor is whether the music is artist-centric or dictated from management. People can recognize and appreciate the authenticity of music that the chuuba makes from pure internal drive

>>18900183
Wow, my NijiEN OMOCAT merch just arrived today!
Oh wait, it's HoloEN OMOCAT merch actually.
NijiEN doesn't have any.

>>18899919
>hololive keeping their chubas healthy
>HoloEN recline in only 6 months time
>-34%
>-30%
>-30%
>-42%
>-32%
>HoloJP never able to get non-graduation 200k+ ccv stream, and their total daily CCV gets even more and more pathetic, IIRC, they failed to reach 100k+ CCV total today, even with Pekora streaming.
>HoloID - fastest reclining branch of any vtuber agencies.

>>18899973
Relatively fewer compared to Nijisanji. Both are bigger than other corpos in Japan and globally.

So another niji en gold today huh

>>18900274
Imagine being proud that your favourite Vtubers got got bypassed by corporate interests and doesn't even get a portion of those sales

but sheep gotta CONSOOM I guess.

>>18900294
> Overrating CCV when AnyColor and Cover use their VOD numbers and sub counts in their pitch decks

>>18900367
You think HoloMyth doesn't get a portion of Omocat merch? You're uninformed.

>>18900367
Lmao, holokeks are such a fucking retarded herd.

>new NijiEN wave is announced
>cue disingenuous doomposting about how NijiEN is dying
>NijiEN continues inclining at a gradual pace like they have been for months now
same shit since at least Ethyria

>>18900349
first duolingo japanese is a nice stream so probably 20k
but depends on how much mumei gets on the midanniversary thing.

>>18900367
> Nijiniggers when NijiEN gets less

>>18900294
holy shit nijis are in an even worse mental state than I thought

have the company's financial situation and imminent downsizing and branch closure affected niji fans brains that much?
that they start spewing lies?

>>18900418
Yes? Both Tazumi and old Holo's fart told you that? To me it seems like an absolute state of holocope.

>>18899973
You can say that, but even with that, you can't deny that they are constantly being given a shot in the arm to boost them up. From there, it is up to them to see it through (and for the audience to pick up on it). You can't possibly deny that Aki of all people has had the best fucking month in... ever, really. Now it's all up to her to see what she can make of this.

>>18900561
And to me, you talk like a low class from a third world country.

>>18900477
I agree sis, the incline is upon us
Feast your eyes on the rise of NIJISANJI EN

holokeks destroyed with facts and logic yet again

>>18900642
Elira had 2k median before.

>>18900528
You, know, I think it's only for the better if you continue believing that it's all only lies, holokek. Would be much funnier to see your shocked reaction when it will become apparent that Holotrash reclined into nothing.
So yeah, continue believing that it's all lies, I'll even allow you to use this "article" shitpost about Holo's recline.

>>18900528
Nah, the numbers for -% aren't incorrect, they're the 2nd outfit reveal numbers.
For outfits that got revealed and delayed for fucking ever until after Holox debuted which killed a lot of hype for them since many were expecting them for after the 1st anniversary. Like holy shit, those things just kept getting pushed back further and further.
Like, the only real lie there is the last one, 'fastest reclining branch of any vtuber agencies'. It's kind of hard to even gauge for sure because we know ID CCV is horridly fucked even after everyone got unflagged the first time, thanks to Risu's -instant 100%- poll.

>>18900581
Easier to do that with half a dozen stragglers than like 40 people quite a few of whom don't stream much anyway. Niji's business model is putting out a lot of vtubers and letting successful ones rise from that and then promoting those. Holo is more group focused, but it's going to become more untenable as they keep adding more people and no one retires.

>>18900689
>Pokemon Legends
There's your fucking problem. Shit is absolute numbers poison and it's good she's doing a story clear endurance to get that garbage outta the way.
Also props to Shu for being the only Luxiem bloke to actually grind in the NA primetime slot.

>>18900689
i think she still has but most of the good numbers todays are coming out from the collabs with the boys rather than their solo streasm.

>>18900698
is also the fact that the first outfits got revelad on golden week and were day after day and togheter with gen4.
they should do that again with gen 5 and council.

>>18900778
Niji females are just accessories for the manjisanji.

>>18900829
Gen 6 you mean.
It'd be the perfect time to do so yes, that was honestly such a fun time (wasn't in /#/ or /vt/ at the time but even on fucking r/hololive people were keeping track of the numbers iirc).
Like, absolutely a decline, but all things must have context or you're just a blind idiot screaming "BIG NUMBER>SMALL NUMBER", which is worthless dross on the tier of streamhatchet's garbage.

>>18900689
>Elira was a 2K+ streamer at some point, now she is a 1K streamer
>Finana was a 1.5K streamer at some point, now a 3-digit failure
>Pomu fails to get even 2K with MGS
>One of the failures of Ethyria was streaming at 800 or so viewers since a few minutes ago
>Selen was fighting to surpass Sana (the lowest of the low of HoloEN that still gets 3K+), not only she never reached that 3K but she is a sub-2K shitter these days

inclining...

oh, I forgot
>literally the weakest of the faggots is destroying them all while streaming in NA timeslot

you must really feel for the girls, I hope at least 1-2 of them find their way through the holoEN auditions

>>18900770
yeah let her change to xenoblade
but in all seriousness only mgsr or yugioh lift the girsl numbers.
Even selen with Demon souls stays 2.5k or less.

>>18900698
>Like, the only real lie there is the last one, 'fastest reclining branch of any vtuber agencies'
Actually meant more like "constant reclining" than "fastest reclining", but "fastest" might apply too. If you dig around enough and find one of those median CCV graphs for many branches that includes HoloID, you'll see their massive and constant recline over many months straight. It's pretty difficult to find this graph though, as a person who made those graphs is a holokek, and, you know, it's obvious that he won't like to place HoloID recline on display.

>>18900925
From a solo gaiming standpoint i meant.

It's socially more accepted for a guy to be with multiple girls, than the opposite.
The guys are praised are winners while the girls are shamed as whores.
It's valentine month, and the SC of the NijiEN branch reflects this.
The players are winning while the whores are losing.
Hetero contents are toxic for the girls.

>>18900951
I know the graph you're talking about, and that's off of many factors, one of them being the absolutely bone-headed decision to make an ID server and kneecapping their MC numbers, and the other being that you can only turbo-leech like Ollie was for so long before your numbers drop.
The graphs are pulled from CCV data, of which Late december/January was turbofucked, we'll see the graphs for February, the bloke has been posting individual talents in /#/ when it's less shitty and he's the one that posted the NijiEN girls, so don't call him a holokek when he's doing his best in service of numbers, not tribalist bullshit.

>>18900951
People were using them as Holo EN 1.5. Council appearing really hurt them, except for Anya, who is about the same as she's always been. I used to watch Reine and Ollie a decent amount but nowdays I'm more likely to watch IRyS or Bae in that slot, and Mori who is way more active than she was 6 months ago. Or a VOD from the night before. Doesn't help that they segregated themselves onto the ID server so they get literally no buff from Minecraft, and they've settled into a rut of doing fairly boring content. Maybe ID3 will bring back some interest but I'm kind of skeptical, ID2 was in just the right spot to get the interest of EN speakers and I think that ship has already sailed for any future IDs.

>>18900917
And then you woke up, opened their vrabi profiles and saw that according to their latest streams:
>Elira still 2k+ streamer
>Finana still 1.5k+ streamer
>Pomu plays completely different MGS game that is not buff at all
Then you opened vrabi's today streams for NijiEN and saw that:
>None of them peaked below 1k today
Then you became sad, because you realized that Selen telling you personally that "she is fighting to surpass Sana", was only a dream and you have no chance to talk to her personally.
Then once again, you opened Selen's vrabi profile and found out that she:
>indeed got 4k+ yesterday

As expected from a brainless holokek - nothing, but lies.

>>18899018
it begins

>>18900479
todays jp holiday so ++ more tourists

>>18899596
>newly debuted and unrelated accounts
Can you link new accounts to that youtube group thingy?

>>18900731
>Easier to do that with half a dozen stragglers than like 40 people quite a few of whom don't stream much anyway. Niji's business model is putting out a lot of vtubers and letting successful ones rise from that and then promoting those.
I don't think it is hard at all to promote large groups. It's not like they are dependent on just one avenue to get things done. Not every chuuba has to be targeted at the same target demographic. The biggest inherent problem is that they expanded their roster way too quickly and never stopped until it was basically too late to mend the issue. I am certain that many of those chuubas would have streamed more often if the gig paid the bills.

>Holo is more group focused, but it's going to become more untenable as they keep adding more people and no one retires.
I doubt that the position is untenable at all. Remember that Hololive decides whether they want to debut a new generation at all once all is settled and they feel like the time is right. They even dropped two models over not finding people that would have been adequate for them.

>>18899480
Proof?

>>18901237
> If all the low numbers are removed, then only the big numbers are left!
What a genius take!

>>18901237
>indeed got 4k+ yesterday
nigga yesterday was demonsouls. 2.2k peak
4k was the full collab with luxiem involved on jp time.

>>18900294
>HoloID - fastest reclining branch of any vtuber agencies
Sure, whatever you say Nijikek. At least they have an ID branch.

>>18901360
When faggot says "never reached 3k" and in reality there is 4k yesterday, then it's me, who is right. If you disagree, you are a retarded faggot.
Also, I was talking about average numbers.
>>18901367
>nigga yesterday was demonsouls. 2.2k peak
Hello there, seanig.
>4k was the full collab with luxiem involved on jp time.
holocope

>>18901237
Not so fast, Nijinog!

>>18901490
I wouldn't call this off-brand EN branch as "ID".

>>18901497
Which month did Selen reach 3k median?
I take it back. You are not a genius. You can't read.

>>18900477
Ethyria was failure by any metric. What are you talking about?

Burger hours are insufferable

Today a nijinigger tried to convince people that there are 48 hours in a day.

Nijicope is reaching levels of absurditiy thanks to Susan, not even holofags were this bad

>>18901582
Have you been up during JP primetime, anon? This is civil compared to that...

>>18901582
Just a reminder!
It's not just burgers that camp this timeslot, all of South-Am also are around, so don't be too surprised if some ES fuckers are stirring the shit and having a laugh as everyone bickers, because I KNOW YOU FUCKS ARE HERE.

Would the MCN that Hololive put in place protect any newly created account from the cull ?

>>18901064
The most accurate post I've seen on here. It perfectly explains why mixed gender shit doesn't work in vtubing. Sure the males will do well but the girls will recline. We've seen it in NijiJP and we are now seeing it in NijiEN.

Holocope is reaching levels of absurditiy thanks to Luxiem, not even nijikeks were this bad

The second Rhythm Heaven Remix 10 compilation appears to be picking up steam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K4WDhkCOz0
It's already at 400k when it was ~250k a day or two ago, so clearly it's caught people's attention.

>>18901668
I don't see anyone speaking spanish.

>>18901682
Yep, not sure why there are retards that think otherwise. Its long been known.

>>18901679
No. Niji already did the transition to a MCN and Luxiem 2 already started getting culled today.

>>18901728
That's the thing.
They don't need to speak spanish to shit things up. Most of the ones that browse 4chan have passable enough english to not get outed as ESL for the most part(though not always), but you see them throw off the veil if you start shitposting in Spanish or throw out latinx into threads in the catalogue.

>>18901541

Can you blame them? The only NijiID that is showing some growth these days is Mika and that is only because she is collabing with Niji (((EN)). The ones who try to appeal to the local market are all 2views and that applies to NijiKR as well

>>18901682
More reason to keep a clear distinction and separation like what Cover has done. Music collabs and one off gaming collabs are fine but beyond that and it becomes a risk

>Laplus getting 10k playing Apex outta nowhere
Does this girl not sleep? was she not just playing splatoon late into the night?

>>18901835
I don't even think you need to keep it as separate as Cover has, but it can't be a normal thing. With NijiEN the boys are basically camping out on the girls streams and somebody even mentioned they were coming into members only streams. That is beyond fucked.

Ah I love the smell of nijicope in the morning

>>18901356
Sadly you can't search youtube ads. Maybe they're shilling the online concert

>>18901849
Its clear by now that Laplus is a degenerate shut in and I think its great. She is a superstar. Fantastic poach by Cover.

>>18901797
I guess it's possible. At the end of the day it doesn't matter, there's people with passable English at all hours of the day that have nothing better to do than shitpost and bait, from all over the world.

>>18899919
The box anon. That's the answer. Even if one is not interesting, they just need a certain narrative or participating in some kino arc/events to be relevant again

>Korone and Laplus playing Apex
It feels like the Holos are preparing for an incoming APEX holo tourney

>>18900294
>HoloID - fastest reclining branch of any vtuber agencies.
Are you sure about that?

>>18901582
All hours are SEA hours

>>18901582
It's lunch time for SEA and chinese.
NijiEN has plenty SEA and chinese vtubers, and their fanbase loves toxic posting.

>>18902006
It only feels like that because you don't understand. If holo put on an apex tourney they would need external people to come fill in the numbers, that isn't going to happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_GbsqSjgt8
>only 6k waiting
reclining...

>>18902140
>only
>20 min to go
anyway i expect 25k

>>18902006
Probably training so that they can help the holos that will participate in some APEX tournament. Didn't Fubuki have a meltdown last year (or was it the one before that) after losing?

>>18902133
only if only girls attend... good luck

>>18901520
kek wtf is this Nijicope

>>18902114
holofags have been shitting up the board long before NijiEN existed

>>18902165
At least it's on Mumei's channel, the 2nd best one. If it was on Sana's I wouldn't be shocked at it getting like 12k.

>>18902165
Too much, and I'm a holofag. I think 20K is a safe expectation, but I'll be pleasantly surprised if they break 25K.

>>18902198
See >>18902054

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3lNQRaqZNs
Another one of Sora's covers hit 1 million.

>>18901520
This is what nijiniggers actually believe

>>18901911
>Morning
I wonder where it's morning right now. Wanna share, anon?

>>18901849
She regain strenght after i filled her up last night. So dont worry anon

>>18902203
Kuzuha has a lot of SEA fans. Nijiniggers have been shitting up 4chan before /vt/. Having a nijinigger as a mod only encourage them to do more.

>>18902221
a gura monpoly on kiara channel got 19k
and most holo council collabs that are not on sana break 20k easily.
25k is my bet

>>18902231
It's morning in Japan. The home of these companies.

>>18901952
To add to your point. Valentine sponsorship collab with family mart featured Mel, Aki, Choco...
Here's the thing, it also featured Subaru, Aqua, and Ayame.

>>18902277
>4chan
Only the chuuba thread on /jp/, and even after the splits happened, they had their own meido dedicated to their thread.

>>18902231
It's morning in SEAtrash countries i think

>>18902226
Good for her.

>>18902277
Also just having more nijiEN increases the chances of people bringing up the topic.

>>18901520
NIJINIGGER GYPSIE PREDICTION MENTAL GYMNASTICS

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

15 minute delay for council collab

>>18902394
It begins.

>>18902231

if this council 6m anniv cant break 40k

>>18902394
Sigh, I'll grab some fast food.

>>18902277
2Dhater definitely wasn't a Nijinigger lol

>>18902317
What is your point even?

>>18902468
He just wants to post the duck.

>>18902317
Yeah, that's how they make sure it SELLS and everyone got a piece of the pie. Seriously, it's not that nijisanji is bad i'd say they are pretty much the industry standard. But holo... holoive is just too good of a company/agency to be a part of. These girls dont know how good they have it. They basically doing the dream job in an ideal environment all other people could only ever dream on

Myth: 50k-60k (multipov)
Hope: 16,447
Council: ????

I honestly curious about Bae's streaming schedule consider she said she's still studying. Mumei is at the same age as Gura so she's apparently a grad student, what about Bae? Can a college student work this kind of schedule like this February (and she's streaming mostly at her day time mostly). Some EOP anons enlighten me.

>>18902437
Remember when selen gets constant 3k streams? I remember

>>18902437
>6 live, 54k combine
I'd say that's an OBVIOUS INCLINE!

>>18902546
Was Myth 6th month on a weekend?

https://shop.hololivepro.com/products/hololiveen_council_anhalfyear
this was just added to the stream description

>>18902464
>2Dhater
I salute this nigga for standing up alone against the horde of nijifags in the /vyt/ thread in /jp/ during those few years.

>>18902508
>getting duckrolled on /vt/
>getting duckrolled on /#/ of all places
Why must I suffer...?

>>18902468
The Holobox...

>>18902591
lol, did they delay because they don't want to fill in dead air for too long?

>>18902546
>Gura has 16k on her 6 month anniversary
Explain this cullfags

>>18902574
Nijinigger tongue my anus

>>18902634
I've always seen anniversary streams as shill streams, everywhere. It's mainly for the diehard fans.

>>18902634
6 month anniversary really isn't that big of a deal. Also, wasn't that at some ungodly time for Gura's fanbase?

>>18902586
Friday NA, Saturday Asia

>>18902591
Interesting.

>>18902277
Yeah I'm sure all ten of the Kuzuha fans on this site are the ones shitting up the board instead of a bored portion of tens of millions of Hololive fans

>>18902634
Chumbuds only watch Gura. They hate collabs.

>>18902751
This but unironically

>>18902593
You weren't even there and he went after everyone, quite literally "shitting it up".

>>18902693
>16k watching Laplus Apex
Chumbuds have no excuse

>>18902635
*lero lero lero lero lero*

>>18902693
3:30pm, in a multi-pov collab yea.

>>18902574
I'm convinced that this "shitpost" is a nijinigger psyops attempt to make it easier for them to lie and cheat about numbers

>>18902634
They celebrated their 6 month anniversary after the December cull, you mouthbreathing retard. Add 30% - 50% to each of those numbers.

>>18902903
>comparing JP to EN
You are dumb. They aren't on an even playing field as far as CCV is concerned. Not even talking about the cull, just in general. The USA has 4 different time zones and that expands to 8 if you include Canada and Alaska/Hawaii.

Japan has one and all of Japan can watch whatever stream is happening at a comfortable time for them.

>>18902567
She constantly plays mediocre debuff games for the sake of variety and she's scared of playing Apex off twitch or some shit

>>18903081
It's also a holiday in Japan today, which I guess explains the unusual hours for Korone and Laplus.

>>18903081
That's before getting into how there are just straight up more Japanese people who watch vtubers than any other timezone in the world.
Vtubing is still far more niche in the west.

>>18903281
so niche they only know these 4

>>18903339
>codemiko
she still streams?

>>18903281
>more Japanese people watch vtubers
I guess Gura has 4M japanese subs then

11k waiting for concil

>>18903339
What the fuck is this?

>>18903339
That's a Twitch only voting thing no?

>>18903339
Is Codemiko even a vtuber?

>>18903455
no valkyrae and ludwig are on the list

>>18903414
>What are explosive Song/VOD views
If anything her high amount of subs just proves what I said about time zones. Gura has a large portion of her fanbase that can't watch her live due to North America alone having 8 different time zones. That isn't even factoring in her large international fanbase.

I know you are just going to respond with some disingenuous shit post but facts are facts. I don't think its fair to compare EN CCV to JP CCV and this is without even talking about the supposed cull.

>>18903414
You retard, you forgot to account for the cull. Gura has 8 million subs total.

>>18903585
They were twitchers until fairly recently anon

>>18902394
30 minute delay. Gonna be fun recovering their waiting room now....

What the fucking happened to mumei chat?lmao

>>18903600
Life isn't fair, it's the only numbers we have so they'll have to do.

>>18903687
They fucking love that nightmare emote. I bet it's a driver of membership numbers.

>>18903602
My bad. I forgot that 1 EN viewer is equivalent to 2 viewers because they weigh more than the average Japanese

>>18903414
Retard, you never found it strange that Gura is the only vtuber outside of Japan that has ever had a 20k CCV for multiple months?
How we're lucky to get 40k total CCV during NA prime time, whereas Japan can sustain 200k+ viewers between Niji and Hololive almost every night?

>>18903414
Cumtard always overdose on copium when discussing about their shark's reclining number. They will never admit that the shark is reclining while the rest of the EN scene are hard inclining. Look at Luxiem for Niji and we see Vox raking in $100k in SC. Look at Vshojo and we see IronMouse got to number 1 most subbed Twitch streamer. Holos? Reclining numbers all day every day in every relevant metric while they get ghosted by every company for gaming permissions.

>>18903687
Her creepy emote?

>>18903720
If YT implements gifted memberships, I hope they also make it so gifted memberships are some Tier 0 thing.

>>18903687
Just standard Mumei pre-chat.

>>18903623
>Another delay
What the hell are they doing that requires a 30 minute delay, the bloody fuck?

>>18903600
Word

Its why when HoloEN has a big event we can see massive numbers that match or beat JP big events. Because those people who otherwise don't watch too often due to time zone complications will go out of their way to see a big event stream. These people aren't doing that for daily gaming streams but they usually might check it out later which is why EN has such strong VOD growth, especially Gura.

>>18903772
The coping has only increased when IronMouse became the biggest Vtuber in the world.

>>18903414
According to Cover, 12.6% of her viewers are JP, 26.2% from USA, 8.8% from TW.

>>18899318
I do wonder what the precedent is for company hopping, if it's something any of the girls would even consider in the first place. I'm vaguely aware of the cases for JP, but I'm not actually aware if those were sudden and unexpected jumps or if there was a large buffer period between their previous membership and eventual Holo membership.

>>18903876

>>18903707
Except you forgot to account for the different time zones and the culling, adding them to the numbers means that Gura should have around 2.5x to 3x the number of live viewers in reality which tallies with her VODs, polls and likes ratio when compared to other streamers, and around 8x the number of fans that people thinks she has. Numbers can be predicted reasonably from known factors, only retards would rely on Youtube numbers without first processing them to correct for the irregularities.

>>18903914
We have a case of company hopping in Council, although the company being hopped-from was a tiny ant compared to HoloEN.

>>18903917
>HoloEN: 43% Asia, 29% NA, 28% others
>NijiEN: 70% Asia, 20% Others, 10% NA
>Vshojo: 60% NA, 30% Others, 10% Asia

>>18903871
That isn't even a vtuber.

So wasn't one of the main reasons given for Sana being MIA is because she was working on this anniversary merch? Are we finally about to see the fruit of her labors? If the merch is legit great and she goes back to streaming somewhat regularly after this could we see a Sana incline?

>>18903917
Canada has like 1/8 the population of the US and they have 2/3rds the percentage of viewship as the US? Cover is fucking retarded.

>>18904041
Yeah, there's plenty of cases I can think of of company hopping from one of the minor corpos into the big two, but I'm specifically wondering about precedent for jumping between Niji and Holo and what that's looked like in the past.

>>18904070
No. She's doing roommate stuff.

>>18904116
Canada is 3%, the 16.3% is "other".

Comparing this Mumei chat to a Luxiem chat is crazy. Just a bunch of friends having fun in the Mumei chat while the Luxiem chat is a bunch of degenerates talking about how they want to be brain washed cock sleeves for the boys.

>>18904116
Anon, TV up in leafland is terrible, even worse than tv in burgerland. Watching streamers is more acceptable when the pickings on television are Garbo.

>>18904070
I don't think there's ever been confirmation that Sana is working on Hololive stuff.
Her roommate has been tweeting a lot this month about a tower defense gacha game, so maybe it's roommate stuff instead.

>>18904218
Why would anyone read Luxiem chat?

>>18903871
And they wonder why Cover doesn't debut a new gen. Cover is cutting their losses while planning behind the scenes on how to scrap the branch without raising eyebrows. It's obvious management were told to sabotage HoloEN as much as possible so they'll leave on their own. Nijisanji on the other hand are pouring all their resources into their growing EN male branch by quickly capitalising in Luxiem success.

>>18904070
You're just repeating a rrat, not anything actually true or even implied by one of the girls.

>>18904169
I'd love some numbers on how lucrative these gacha commissions are. How can they possibly compete with what HoloENs are pulling in supers, merch, and SCs?

>>18904271 (me)
*listed supers twice, mean "supers, merch, and memberships"

>>18904218
>chat cope
Is this the lowest Councilfags will stoop to?

>>18904271
Not everyone is willing to do something they don't enjoy to make more money. Sana quite obviously fell out of love with streaming fairly quick.

>>18903852
This is nothing new for big HoloEN collabs, we're used to it at this point.
The recovery will be fucking awful tho and 13k isn't that great of a waiting room for a 30min delayed stream of this magnitude.

>>18904218
Numbers?
Make a bait thread or something if you want to tribalfag.

>>18904257
to be honest not even vox,mysta and luca dont read theirs either
hence why they dont use slow mode

>>18903917
29% NA and 30% Asia, a very balanced viewership from Gura.

>>18904333
How is talking about chat a cope? The fanbase you cultivate impacts your entire career as a streamer. Why do you think Luxiem goes so hard on the faggot pandering? Luxiem pandering to those fans is doing great for them now but its going to affect long term growth since there is very little casual appeal in what they do.

Just imagine you are a casual and a Vox stream pops up in your feed. You go "wow, that dude looks pretty cool, let me check that out"

*OPEN STREAM*

Vox: I love sucking cocks and getting fucked in the ass, cum on my face and make me your slave

*CLOSE STREAM*
*NEVER GO BACK*

>>18904271
It might be easier to ask "How can something you always viewed as a fun side hobby possibly compete with something that you've built an entire career around over years of work and clearly have a passion and talent for?"

>>18904218
Anon, it is socially acceptable for women to act like degenerates in the west, while men doing such isn't. This is why you have men that are at least aware enough that their actions will reflect poorly on the girls and thus tend to hold themselves back.

Where the fuck are (you) faggots came from? It usually quite at around these hours

>>18904555
>the west
Their audience is like 95% Asian, dipshit
I love it when people sit here and pontificate over the sweeping societal implications that come from some horny Asian women watching a dude stream on the internet

>only 15k waiting

>>18904333
>>18904426
Touched a nerve there didn't it?

>>18904498
Note that these are 'total viewership' numbers, which includes late vod watchers who can't catch it live.
It explains what many have guessed, that Gura has a large portion of her viewerbase outside of her streaming time that catch it later, hence the VOD growth of her videos beyond people just 'catching up' in NA time when she doesn't stream.

>>18903871
>>18904263
Why are nijiniggers like this?

>>18904533
You are apparently wrong because they still have 4k viewers and abundant SC money. Just because a vtuber filters you does not mean they are not successful on their own way. Gura's chat quality is worse than other Myth members but she is still the number one Myth.

>>18904653
You have to factor in the cull for each member. So since there are 5 members, you should x10 the CCV which gets you 150k. Impressive from Council.

>>18904399
>>18904535
Good points! Still, I want to know how much they're making anyway! For like a really nice SSR character for a big gacha... Are we talking low 5 figures? $10k? Lower than that seems too low, but also, surely not $20k+.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-9M-BjFYMc
Council cover

Chances Council drops a group cover song tonight?

>>18904533
This doesn't really have anything to do with numbers.

>>18904855
>>18904850

>>18904797
Talking about pay in the art community is probably one of the more taboo subjects out there, so it's hard to even put a guesstimate on it

17.7k was the highest I saw. Time to see how long it takes to recover that.

>>18904872
It made me laugh though

>>18904771
You forgot the male nonSEA factor which doubles the viewership weight for them as well

>>18904533
Numbers?
If you want to bitch about their business model or culture, maybe do it in their general or tweet at them.

>>18904928
They won't

>>18903917
Moona for comparison. Too bad they didn't make one for a JP.

>>18904993
only dropped to 8k and 13k already
5-7min to recover probably

>>18904652
Yes, I said the west. This will never be highlighted and be looked down on in the west... unlike all the other incidents involving men and and female talents like in idol companies. You always hear about otakus doing this and that and how they are scum of the earth that need to be purged for the sake of society, but no one says the same about these women in the west. And this is all in English which makes it low hanging fruit even for retarded EOP...

I think the most you'll get is Kpop stans for being obnoxious attention seekers, but that's every fandom in general.

>>18904850
Great to see

Council needs to increase their music output since music is a big reason why Myth got as big as they did.

>>18903619
they de-facto still are just on a different platform, youtube gaming is retarded

The drop from the waiting room was pretty gentle this time.

>>18904737
>Muh Nijinigger boogeyman
One of them is taking about Ironmouse

>>18905172
Delay does that but also makes it take longer to recover.

>>18905050
They have, using the official channel

Oh nononono
Only 14K?

>>18905177
>he talks about ironmouse, therefore he's a vshojo fag
Yeah you'd like us to believe that wouldn't you nijinigger?

>>18905343
reclining...

>>18905289
>>18905050

>>18904993
Prepare your knees...

>who's the girl on the left?
Oh no no sanalites

>>18905343
Sana debuff

Council 20k get

>>18905420
Obviously things like Hologra existing with subs means that viewership is going to skew much differently than normal HoloJP viewership.

They are already approaching the waiting room. Seeing how JP and Luxiem recover waiting rooms almost instantly the cull still seems to be there, but it seems to be losing potency.

Multiple announcements.
> Cover song
> New outfits

So is this Council thing just a scaled down version of what the Nijis did the other day?

>>18905289
>>18905420
I feel like the official channel is going to have a bit of an inflated number for non-JP audience since a lot of the content posted there is subbed and advertized everywhere.

>>18905522
It's probably changed from
>Flagged for 24-48 hours
to
>Flagged to extended verification of 10-15 minutes+
Like, Gura's Karaoke managed to hit 32k, but it took longer than it normally would, which also explains why funnels are weaker since people take time to get verified into the new streams at times.

>>18905537
Yeah they should be due for their 2nd(3rd) costume very soon. I think Myth got theirs at 7 months.

>>18905460
This is her second stream this month

>>18905783
Sana was a mistake to hire as one of council....

>more people are watching the JPs than the Council 6 month anniversary + announcement
OH NO NO NO COUNCILKEKS

>Mumei does her post upside down
And that's why she is getting numbers.

Why wasn't she selected to be the Chaos chuuba?

>>18905647
It's a more scuffed version without management support.
Looks like it'll beat it in CCV tho regardless.

>>18905460
Probably someone from here....but the chances that he really doesn't know are really high

>>18905481
20k for council collab anniversary at hooman channel? what a failure

>>18905860
It's actually part of her charm to look soft spoken and meek and to meanwhile be the most bloodhungry member of Council. Effect would be completely ruined if she'd had a loud design and chaos theme.

>>18905860
So you prefer she get shitpost as chaos instead?

>>18905865
Well yeah, obviously. Would cool to see a full EN version (or even adding ID) on the scale of the Niji one with management support.

>>18905853
Yeah, it's a holiday in Japan.

>>18906069
Isn't that already the case?

>>18906069
Mumei feels like that scary silent Chaos representative so I agree with him

>>18905860
I've always maintained that Mumei and Bae would've performed better if they switched avatars

Did Bae just leave the collab

>>18905853
Nobody really cares about them anymore at this point

>>18906266
She said she's in a situation where she can't talk.
I suspect her family has visitors or something, can't think of why else she'd have to go silent.

>>18906288
You should compare it with Gura's 6 month anniversary stream instead.

>>18906266
Something came up and she cant talk.

Anyway 20k the stall before evwry 10k is always weird but whatever

>>18906403
unprofessional.

>>18906415
That will just make Council look worse, Gura got 37k in her solo 6m anniversary.

>>18905853
Japan holiday anon

>>18906403
I personally suspect construction work

>>18906466
>only 20k
RUMAO. Niji still got more. COUNCIL MOGGED

https://youtu.be/U-9M-BjFYMc
Luckly not on the official channel. Also that's Sana's artstyle.

>>18906534
Gura jumped the gun and did a debut rewatch at 6 months.

>>18906577
Right, that's also a strong possibility since she said they finally got the mats in to start working on her new room. If there's a bunch of hammering and shit that would be pretty bad.
Bae's still there, she's writing in answers and stuff to the questions.

The hell happened to the thumbnail on poi ?

>>18906521
silence is fine, though.

>>18906723
What do you mean? Everything seems normal to me on poi.

This council collab reminds me of the early Myth collabs.

>>18906612
Niji GOLD
Niji GOLD
Niji GOLD

>>18906858
?

>>18906926
Yeah but like, the really early ones

>>18906661
Council will jump the gun and do a Graduation in 8

Mumei is talking about history again...

Is Mumei the face of council? If not she clearly has the most charisma out of the 5 autists

>>18904850
This reminds me of Love Live.

>>18906952
It's run by one guy in his free time please understand

>>18907345
If you had to pick a "face" for council I'd say Mumei is the best fit I guess, none of them are very protagonist-y though

seems like apex/valorant addiction's been prevalent on holo recently, with korone obviously playing it a lot behind the scenes, fubuki recently playing it again and pekora showing interest in doing a solo platinum/diamond challenge

>>18907345
Kronii abdicated her default leadership position, so yes Mumei is basically the leader.

>>18907560
>>18907489
>>18907345
Imagine Myth without Gura

... This anniversary is going to be mogged by Botan return stream huh

>Matthew 26:25-60 is about Judas betraying Jesus and Peter denying Jesus

>>18902556
probably college, with quite a few vacant slots on her schedule.

Rat what the fuck?

Council just beat all members niji en collab

>>18908049
A-artia?

>>18907840
Gura's not leadership material but her numbers are just too fucking massive not to be the face of Myth. Kronii was actually able to successfully kill her momentum early enough to prevent this.

>>18908144
Better start holo en vs jp again i guess.

>>18908144
https://vrabi.ml/video/QAUKWbWxCA0
>22662
Not yet, but maybe. It's stalling at 21-22k for 10+ mins now.

>>18907489
So Ame is the face of Myth then? She just emits this protag vibe

>>18908036
I didn't realize Botan was gone.

>>18908144
If I told you 6 months ago that people would consider this an actual accomplishment in the future you would think I was crazy.

>>18908263
No, Gura and Mori are both vastly more well-known than Ame. Ame is a strong internal leader, behind the scenes, but she's not the public face.

>>18908377
Honestly, they keep saying how much they were preparing for 6m anniversary, this stream (with merch, song afterwards) is a bit underwhelming.

>>18908481
B-but the fanarts... the lores...

>>18908377
Isn't it expected for Nijisanji to get more views since they have more vtubers?
Reality makes Nijisanji performance look pretty bad in comparison to Hololive.

>>18908586
What are they supposed to do then? It's not like they can do 3D stuff

>>18908254
Actual chances they won't....Bae had to be a retarded

christ council is so fucking lukewarm, solo theyre okay but its clear they just dont fucking jive at all all different energy from eachother and nobody wants to play nice with eachother it feels like. doesnt help that Bae is fucking dead

>>18908481
>>18908604
In Gura’s word, she think Kiara is the alpha in Myth because she keeps everyone intact. I forgot Ame’s response to this question

>>18908586
Please respect their hard work. They took 6 months to come up with all this.

>>18908740
Not him, but I want them to commit more time for Hololive.

>>18908377
At this rate, it's not even going to beat it. It's still 600 viewers off.

The Niji game show had weeks of hype leading up to it tho and the presentation of that stream is far better than whatever this is.
This council collab doesn't even have a timer for the drawing portion and Bae is muted.

>>18908586
> they keep saying how much they were preparing for 6m anniversary
Except they never mentioned the actual date of the 6 month anniversary until yesterday, whereas the Niji game show frame was up for a week before.

>>18908263
Ame said everyone in myth has different leader quality.

>>18907840
Outside some investors abandoning Cover...not much.
Gura and her fandom are mostly contained among themselves, they barely support other holo mems, hell most of them do not even know who are the other girls of Myth.
So Myth without Gura is easy to imagine since all of Gura's archivements never had spreaded to the other myth girls at all.

>>18908869
Certain combos of Council members work really well with Myth and IRyS but for whatever reason Council as a 5 person group just doesn't mesh. Sana and Kronii are both kind of drags but in the right (smaller) situation Kronii can be fun.

>>18908263
>Ame
Anon, for all the creativity that she has and all the support she gives others, a leader she is not, let alone be the face of a group where she she mostly stands out for being average. Just because Cover (and often the girls) keep pushing the false idea that Ame is somehow "the center" doesn't mean that people will agree with that either.

>>18908889
Kiara organizes a lot more stuffs than Ame, but Ame's creative quality is much higher.

>>18908889
Kiara's good at organizing stuff. She's next to useless for actually helping anyone with streaming stuff though.

>>18908958
Fair enough

>>18908984
Aside from Mori and Kiara it seems that all of HoloEN have problems with promoting their stuff. Music videos dropped in the middle of the night. Random streams with no announcements.

They should have been talking about this anniversary for the entire month yet yesterday was the first I heard of it.

>>18909074
Anon have you been in this thread so long you've started believing the bullshit people peddle here?

>>18909153
Idk man.. she just feels right as the leader of Myths. I mean she created memes and a trendsetter

>>18908869
In terms of pairs, Council pairs are usually better than Myth pairs (Mumei w/Kronii and Bae, Fauna w/ Bae, Irys w/ Bae...etc), but as a 5, they're hella awkward and come off as complete novices at streaming.
The same thing happened in the last pictionary collab after their kimono reveals. It's really weird.

>>18909074
I hope you're not being serious. Do you think gura has 4 million totally distinct viewers that aren't subbed to the rest of HoloEN?

>>18909074
>Gura and her fandom are mostly contained among themselves, they barely support other holo mems, hell most of them do not even know who are the other girls of Myth.
>Same Gura who played Hololive music for her intro music for her last 5 streams and used it as her GTA radio. Her chat also instantly started spamming the name of the song/singer once the song changed too.

>>18909332
They need a tard wrangler. They are too autistic. IRyS or Kiara should have been a host for this collab.

I mean, I'm still enjoying it and the autism is cute but its scuf as hell.

Council missing a Kiara, or Subaru figure to take the lead in collabs

>>18909332
Bae is very good at small collabs, but put her in a 5+ collab, and she'll default herself into an infuriating, loud soundboard.

>>18909503
Stop replying to Gura schitzos. They are the same people that say Gura is the dead subs queen even though she has more than double the channel engagement of any other holomem despite not streaming as much as the other tops.

>>18909570
You know, that just reminds me how Aqua made a comment that Kiara feels like Subaru.

>>18909074
That's some silly headcanon you have there anon.

>>18909570
Mumei's a pretty good lead i'd say. In another 6month she'd be a solid lead for council

I guess some viewers are just waiting for announcements to tab in, hope I'm right.

>>18909570
Isn't Fauna supposed to be the mother figure, who leads the group behind the scene?
She's just spoiling them instead.
Not a good mother.

>>18909787
She's doing a solid job all things considered, but she's not that extraverted lead who can quickly bounce off the other members

>>18909074
Cover doesnt have investors retard

>>18909827
literally me, this collab wore me out already with the fairly low energy start, its been getting slowly better but still kinda eh.

>>18909881
>Taking lore seriously
Fauna is probably the worst at big collabs in Council

>>18908869
They do fine in duo collabs or other combinations. They really have no experience in this type of shows. You need a good host to direct the conversations in this type of shows. Everyone is too passive waiting to response, you need someone active and strong. Mumei is trying but yea..... It would be like 5 lunas trying to do a game show.

Councilkek?

>>18909952
Not everything has to be filled with screams and shouts kfpchama...

>>18909827
I don't know why councilfags are concerned. You win either way. If council gets 23k you get to say council beat NijiEN (a regular occurrence anyway), and if they don't get 23k, you can say it took the combined power of all of NijiEN on their main channel to just barely beat 4/5ths of council. A win-win either way.

>>18909952
They take too long to draw their answers since there's no timer, so there's a lot of dead air and no host to fill the silence with small talk.

We literally saw similar formats ran much better by Nijis and Lui for her Yagoo game show.

>>18909324
Anon, there's a reason why Gura is the top chuuba in the world (much to her charging) while Ame fell by the wayside. Just cause you can meme and set trends doesn't mean that you're a face or a leader, especially if you keep refusing to actually lead.

>>18910076
Doesn't mean it should be filled with dead air either

"Are you smarter than a 5th grader?" is better than this.
Better numbers, too.
Council could have done better.

>>18909503
Are you really trying to use Gura's losing radio perms to counter point?
Also
>>18909727
>she has more than double the channel engagement of any other holome
>any other holo
Thanks for proving Gura fans do not care about other Holo members at all

>>18908377
Exactly. The fact that holofags even are feeling the water in the ass shows that things changed.