/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

LORE SCRAPS (NEED EXPANDING):
Micomet/Pekomiko: >>16981948
/vtsings/: >>16982525
/.../: >>16982630
/voms/: >>16982692
/become/: >>16983583
/ringo/: >>16983646
/towa/: >>16984836
Luknights: >>16998218
/yeah/: >>17178895
/nasa/: >>17705860 >>18139486
risu: >>17769431
rushia: >>17773117 >>18221894 >>18242592
watson: >>17083071
fetish lands: >>17201798 >>17225384
/asp/: >>17205063
/hag/, /uoh/: >>17217315
Resources: >>17044886

The land that was: >>17655643
Nuetralfag Doc: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iO5tK2PPSZjFTEE8fbIS8S6bE7af1F6zCGhMZU4oRkE/edit?usp=sharing

Lore proposals
>>17154357
>>17217671
>>17218134
>>17436688
>>17599615
>>17654314

Invitation Letter: >>17767181

>/svt/ request
>>18695373
>>18696693

Reasoning for why /∞/ should get their island and what to do with the current map.
>>18806757

>/svt/ or /ahoy/ after defeating the other and winning over the pirate court
https://youtu.be/y-GeV0EP8nI?t=1631

>>18811254
I just realized /uoh/ is at a really high altitude

>>18812179
the Mount Olympus of cunny

>>18812507
/uoh/ monk throatsinging

>>18811302
Climatefag also returned to say the island wouldn't cause any serious issues with the climate.
>>18809000

Once every country has a clear goal and lore, we could have one of these future compasses.
The number of fates that can happen to /vt/ world should one country became a superpower

>>18808869
Some ways the currents could go. I now realize that option A and option C are essentially the same, the latter just has the currents mapped out better.
This was a difficult place to figure out since its hard to fit a proper gyre in there and the option without a gyre (Option B) just feels... wrong.

These are just the options that do not change the climates. I purposefully avoided those options since the area is already established and it wouldn't feel right trying to rewrite already established areas. These 3 options 2 really are just as plausible as the ones I left out though.

as for the climates, Option A assumes the northern cold current is the one that is more powerful, while option C assumes the southern warm current is more powerful (the more likely scenario in my opinion).

As always with island climates, keep in mind that the ocean regulates, meaning that the climate differences on the island would not be as drastic as those on the continent. Also, keep in mind that being an island naturally comes with the area having more rainfall, in the case of the infinity island, especially on the southern and western coasts since the prevailing winds come from that direction.

>why no oceanic climate
An area with oceanic climate would optimally be an area affected by a warm ocean current, and none of the areas on the island are affected enough to warrant oceanic climate in my opinion. Closest would be the southern coast in option B, where its a cointoss between oceanic and humid subtropical, in my opinion the latter being more likely.
There are more current options where the island gets oceanic climate but those options would mean that the isthmus west of the island would become colder - meaning changes to the climate in that area -. and as mentioned before, I wanted to avoid these changes.

tl;dr I think option C is the best, but what does everyone else think?

>>18810216
I'll keep the request in mind and I'll do something if I have time and motivation. You wont get a full map of tectonic plates but I think I have enough knowledge on the subject to give somewhat plausible plate boundaries. I do not promise anything though.

>>18814770
/become/ will win and upload everyone to the electrosphere, turning all of /vt/ into vtubers.

>>18814910
How the fuck did i format the post like that. Thats way too many linebreaks.

I apologize for the shit readability anons.

>>18814770
/mea/ Hegemony Victory:
After combining the esoteric knowledge of everyone on this world, we open a portal to the realm of the vtuber gods.
And eat everyone who arent indies

>>18814910
What would happen if the island was moved further out to sea? Would B actual work? That's what people were thinking would happen.

>>18808869 (Cross-thread)
Some ways the currents could go. I now realize that option A and option C are essentially the same, the latter just has the currents mapped out better. This was a difficult place to figure out since its hard to fit a proper gyre in there and the option without a gyre (Option B) just feels... wrong.

These are just the options that do not change the climates. I purposefully avoided those options since the area is already established and it wouldn't feel right trying to rewrite already established areas. These 3 options 2 really are just as plausible as the ones I left out though.
As for the climates, Option A assumes the northern cold current is the one that is more powerful, while option C assumes the southern warm current is more powerful (the more likely scenario in my opinion).

As always with island climates, keep in mind that the ocean regulates, meaning that the climate differences on the island would not be as drastic as those on the continent. Also, keep in mind that being an island naturally comes with the area having more rainfall, in the case of the infinity island, especially on the southern and western coasts since the prevailing winds come from that direction.
>why no oceanic climate
An area with oceanic climate would optimally be an area affected by a warm ocean current, and none of the areas on the island are affected enough to warrant oceanic climate in my opinion. Closest would be the southern coast in option B, where its a cointoss between oceanic and humid subtropical, in my opinion the latter being more likely. There are more current options where the island gets oceanic climate but those options would mean that the isthmus west of the island would become colder - meaning changes to the climate in that area -. and as mentioned before, I wanted to avoid these changes.
I personally think option C is the best, but what does everyone else think?

>>18810216 (Cross-thread)
I'll keep the request in mind and I'll do something if I have time and motivation. You wont get a full map of tectonic plates but I think I have enough knowledge on the subject to give somewhat plausible plate boundaries. I do not promise anything though.

reposting attempt because I hated the formatting too much

>>17963046
can you guys add this to /nasfaqg/ lorepost?

>>18815305
Asking again, where would the island need to be placed for B to work?

>>18815273
>>18815412
Further away? I doubt it. The island is too big, I think a gyre would form either way. The island being further away should make the climate more like option B though.
Another way to achieve something like option B would be to move the island a bit northwest. This would in my opinion be a lot closer to what I suspect people are looking for in option B.

both options in pic related.

>>18815305
>>18816258
I'm always so impresed with the explanations you put into your posts, Climateanon. I've taken to wiki-ing the information in your posts and it's always so interesting reading up on the different spects of climate and how it interconnects with everything, not just in this theoretical world we're building, but the real world as well!

>>18816258
Thanks for the information.
Is there any location where the northern part of the island could have a humid continental climate? /infinity/ wanted snow there and your charts show it to be a tropical monsoon.
Or would the island need to be shrunk further?

>>18816666
Do keep in mind I'm just a worldbuilding hobbyist, not an actual climate scientist. I do think what I write to be good enough approximations for the sake of making a fictional world, but in no way are they scientifically rigorous of of any professional quality.

>>18816827
The northern area is Subarctic Continental aka, russia, northern europe, not tropical monsoon. The color may be a bit misleading.

>>18816666
I am honored to hear that my posts are appreciated though.

>>18816906
Thanks for your hard work.
I see it. C would be the 2nd best option. But is it impossible to have a climate layout like B where you have a continental and subtropical without the subartic taking over a majority of the island? Also you mentioned the island would get more rainfall since it's an island, would that mean there should be more river or lakes?

>>18816258
Also why would the warm water flow to the north and the cold water to the south in the first simulation?
and why does it look like warm water avoids the island, or did you address that and I just didn't pick up on it?

>>18817667
>lakes and rivers
I wouldnt worry about the rivers and lakes that much. Ofc there could be more but wetlands are also an option. The existing rivers can also just be larger, or the ground on the island in general could just retain more water.

>But is it impossible to have a climate layout like B where you have a continental and subtropical without the subartic taking over a majority of the island?
No, not at all. Easiest solution is to move the island a bit southwards. Also, in the Option C the southern tip of the island could very well be humid subtropical, I just chose humid subcontinental since it could also be that. Keep in mind that the biomes/climate zones are not monoliths. A humid continental up north will be different form a humid continental more southwards.

>Also why would the warm water flow to the north.
The current colors signal relative temperature, not absolute. The water that is flowing north or south is actually the same temperature at first, the water flowing southwards slowly warms up while the water flowing north cools down, its just that in the north the water is warmer than the climate would be without the current, and in the south the current is respectively relatively colder. What this means is that a warm current in the northern hemisphere extends a biome northward, while also increasing the relative precipitation in the area, while a cold current in the northern hemisphere extends a biome southward, while lessening relative precipitation. The extension directions flip on the southern hemisphere.

or simply said, a current of relative temperature difference extends a biome towards the direction where it flows.

>warm water avoids the island.
What do you mean? if it is what I think it is, a current is deflected here due to the island being a solid object underwater - the flowing water cannot flow though the base of the island -, and the base of the island extends underwater, as you can see from the colors in the map. Thus, the island being there forces the current to turn. Actually there probably could a gyre in that bay in the second simulation, but I just haven't drawn in in. The changes that arise form including it would not change things around though, at least in my view. Same applies everywhere else, although my arrows may be a bit sloppy here and there.

so where has neutralfag been?

>>18819865
hiding in the bunker

I haven't been here in awhile, whatever happened to ahoy?

>>18818559
I mean in >>18815305, the currents that go past the island in A and C are both cold water I was just wondering why they take priority over the warm water and you don't see a split like B.

>>18820267
OH that.
That was indeed addressed before. The warm current flowing past the island is equally possible according to my understanding, but the problem is that having the warm current flow past the island means that the cold current would now flow next to the isthmus.

in the map without the island, the isthmus gets the warm ocean current. Changing it to the cold one would mean that the climate on the isthmus would have to change, and I wanted to avoid changing the climates of other areas when considering the addition of the island.

Now that Hoshimiya has declared that they are unwilling to negotiate for the disputed land, I am instead making a direct request to the Nuetralfag with multiple reasons on the rightfulness of /who/'s claim.
Arguments to support /who/'s claim over the coastline strip.
1. Hoshimiya was given the lighthouse island they asked for in their waters directly assaulting /who/'s strategic trade integrity, to mantain order and a stable status quo, the coastline strip is key.
2. Hoshimiya holds an inmense land border with /who/, such a land border would be difficult to administer and protect by Hoshimiya, in light of the situation, /who/'s bureaucracy is simply much more fit to administer the coastline strip.
3. Hoshimiya already holds an inmense coastline in addition to their close relations with /miko/, to take over the strip of land is overkill.

If /who/'s request is accomplished, we are willing to lend the ports to Hoshimiya for their naval ambitions in exchange of an alliance, /who/ will use their own naval force to assist that of Hoshimiya in times of crisis or if the need comes.

I hope we can all come to a satisfactory resolution.

>>18821170
The world is still young and there's already irredentism

Speaking of Neutralfag, he made this post regarding /infinity/'s island claim saying the territory given was just temporary until the island was submitted.
>>18484227

As for what to do with /infinity/'s old land, it can be given to /nasa/, /rbc/ can then move to where /nasa/ was and finally the schizo wastelands can be reestablished where /rbc/ was placed.
/infinity/ gets their island, and the boarders don't need to be redrawn at all. And as a bonus, /nasa/ is able to move a little further south so they aren't totally frozen.

>>18820267
There was also the consideration of the equatorial current being more powerful than the northern one, but this was a minor consideration and did not affect the decision making as much as wanting to avoid changing other climates too much did.

Adding the island does change the climate of the surrounding area, but not by a significant enough amount to warrant changing the climate maps in my opinion. I think it would be mostly small stuff, like precipitation, or how the weather behaves in the area the island being there would lessen the effects of storms approaching from the east. For example if by any chance a hurricane/typhoon would approach the area from the east, the island would take the brunt of the storm, sparing the isthmus and the eastern coast of the continent from some damage. Not all of it, just some.

>>18821877
I'd like to add something to his comment here.
>Personally I would prefer if they got over the isolationist chuunism, and just be next to the other council members.
This would go completely against /∞/'s lore because they are isolationists and rarely cross point with other council splits. The only activity comes from those splits coming to /∞/. So the island sitution is not 'chunnism' but how /∞/ operates.

>>18821170
It's Hoshiyomia
That out of the way
1. That islet does not contain any naval ship, just a big lighthouse, one that would help sailors from both nations to travel safely to the coasts
2. That border was protected by our administration since the beginning of this world and is not negotiable. We spent thousands of years defending these lands from outsiders without any problem
3. Hoshiyomis' ancestors came first to these lands and were claimed by them, it's Hoshiyomia's birthright to have them
Adding onto this, our nation is a maritime nation, fishing is an important aspect and the big coastline helps sustain the population. Giving away that piece of land would mean hunger for the people

>>18822208
yeah it's less "heh we work alone" more "we're a bunch of shut-in fags who avoid the rest of the board"

>>18822240
1. Such a large island is easily turned into a strategic asset as a port, whether it holds a lighthouse or not, it still is a threat to all involved. Regardless of that, /who/ does not claim the islet, for it is Hoshiyomia's rightful island.
2. /who/'s claim to stablish itself in the eastern coast is older than that of Hoshiyomia (sorry about mispelling it), in addition, as the age of the world is still unclear, i will dismiss this as nonsense.
3. While you may claim birthright, the age of the world is unclear and such documents may be forged. On the case of fishing, to claim Hoshiyomia's massive coastline is still not enough to satisfy the population is unlikely, /who/ also has offered to lend the ports for Hoshiyomia meaning that their effective fishing range is still the same, /who/ also holds a strong potato cultivation, meaning that Hoshiyomia can obtain cheap foodstuffs to help their sustenance.

Thus i will continue to push forth the claim for the coastline strip.

>>18822240
>>18821170
If /infinity/'s island isn't rejected, this is going to be the first war of /vtwbg/. Should be fun.

>>18821170
>>18822856
I would like to remind Owl Republic that it has existed for half as long as Hoshiyomia going by thread age, so it would be prudent of them to keep that in mind when making land demands since this is still pregame, as map hasn't been finalised-finalised, after we "start" attacks are fair game.
That said, if conflict breaks out, be aware that Sakuran (we've never been called /miko/), possibly /sora/, and most likely /micomet/ will come to Hoshiyomia's aid, and at the very least you don't want to mess with /micomet/. There's a reason they're a separate nation.

I would imagine /nasfaqg/ would use foreign conflicts as proxy wars to enrich themselves, different traders supporting different sides of the conflict with unimaginable wealth.
Sadly, the biggest Hooman has deleted their account in a fit of menhera attack.

>>18822856
1. /who/ has to remember that our nation is a peaceful one. That island will never be a problem for /who/ since there'll be no aggression from our part
2. /who/ claimed that land after Hoshiyomia established itself, make no mistake. Your nation is the one that's disrupting the status quo
3. The age of the world might be unclear for your kind but our nation still remembers the day this world was made January 29th of 2021. As such, we have more right to that coastline than /who/

Is this still pre-game or can we loreposts about this development?

>>18824697
It's kind of a pre-game, but the 'game' state isn't defined either, so go to town. Just be aware that it might be non-canon.

>>18824171
>>18824389
/who/ has made absolutely zero appeals to violence and hopes for a peaceful resolution, and in fact, the claims that we have done are only in order to mantain a fair balance in the world, as such we have made our appeal directly to the world authority that is nuetralfag, in addition, we have offered multiple solutions to Hoshiyomia and economic benefits, in addition that they will still recieve if we obtain the strip of land. I will also mention the claim for the strip of land was immediately disputed from the moment Nuetralfag placed our nations in the map regardless of the age of the threads

>>18825274
>the claim for the strip of land was immediately disputed from the moment Nuetralfag
The dispute isn't over yet. Just wait until I'm back on the PC, probably tomorrow to provide evidence that your claim is a lie fabricated to confuse the judge

>>18824389
Forgot to ask Hoshiyomia earlier, is the area supposed to look like Suisei's head?

>>18825911
I can't see it

>>18826523
Keeping in mind the parts bordering the inside of the petals of Sakuran weren't in their original suggestion, it kinda looks to me like Suisei's head with her bangs flowing to the sides.

>>18826811
To me, it looks like a squid. I bet Ikas are behind this... /wah/ beware...

>>18811254
start of the dispute
https://archive.wakarimasen.moe/vt/thread/17966030/#18049078
followed by
https://archive.wakarimasen.moe/vt/thread/17966030/#18049884

and here is the first proposal for /who/ in the current map
https://archive.wakarimasen.moe/vt/thread/17126327/#q17209941
second position from /who/ relating to the area of the western coast
https://archive.wakarimasen.moe/vt/thread/17746303/#q17770792

suisei's placement by tripfag
https://archive.wakarimasen.moe/vt/thread/17966030/#q17983196
/who/ asks how it would be resolved due to conflicting claims
https://archive.wakarimasen.moe/vt/thread/17966030/#q17992227
in that thread the suisei ambassador starts throwing a tantrum
https://archive.wakarimasen.moe/vt/thread/17966030/#q18065504
next thread /who/ keeps asking if Hoshiyomia will move or not
https://archive.wakarimasen.moe/vt/thread/18396596/#q18400433
neutralfag confirms nothing
https://archive.wakarimasen.moe/vt/thread/18396596/#q18401439
Hoshiyomia gets their compensation island
https://archive.wakarimasen.moe/vt/thread/18396596/#q18459346
since Hoshiyomia got their island /who/ starts pushing for it more.
https://archive.wakarimasen.moe/vt/thread/18620263/#q18678067

there ya go, /who/'s been disputing the strip of land since they got placed

>>18825470
>>18827014
forgot to add the reply to (you)

>>18827014
But Hoshiyomia has also been there since before /who/ got settled where they are and I made my requests clear since the first or second thread. /who/ came later
The tantrum and the island in the bay don't have anything to do with with the strip of land

>>18827613
>But Hoshiyomia has also been there since before /who/ got settled where they are
please refer to
https://archive.wakarimasen.moe/vt/thread/17126327/#q17209941
and
https://archive.wakarimasen.moe/vt/thread/17746303/#q17770792
>I made my requests clear since the first or second thread
irrelevant to the current map, /who/ also made their requests in one of those threads
>The tantrum and the island in the bay don't have anything to do with with the strip of land
they are direcly related to the dispute for the strip if you follow the links

>>18819865
I'm alive, but I still need more time to finish reading the rest of the previous thread.
For now I think at the very least I'll give them an island, but I would much rather have the island be made using the same generator that was used to generate the land for the map for aesthetic consistency, so I'll also need time to find a good island to use and see if they'll with it.

>>18827785
The tantrum was because there was no other place in the map for Hoshiyomia that met my needs and I was already losing my patience when they wanted me to move once again from the bay I was finally placed on. I don't know how an island in a bay that was made a few threads ago has anything to do with the strip of land.
/who/ wasn't present when Hoshiyomia was placed in that bay and didn't present any objections at the time, the claim for the strip of land came after /who/ was finally placed but by that time, Hoshiyomia was already there

>>18811254
Can I add this as a lore scrap?
>>18795400

>>18828278
>/who/ wasn't present when Hoshiyomia was placed in that bay and didn't present any objections at the time
Refer to
https://archive.wakarimasen.moe/vt/thread/17966030/#q17992227

>>18828446
Well, that one anon wasn't a /who/ representative and /who/ didn't offer any solutions at the time

>>18828602
i made that post, i asked how nuetralfag would solve the issue of the claims, and then he didn't

>>18828657
Nuetralfag answered https://archive.wakarimasen.moe/vt/thread/17966030/#q17992802 but no one made more suggestions and the discussion ended there

>>18828979
yeah, so the situation was not solved, discussion took off once again when
https://archive.wakarimasen.moe/vt/thread/17966030/#18049078
happened, and that's the start of the dispute for the coastline strip

>>18829154
This shit should've been resolved long ago. Now, the map is finished and I can't think of any solution that will satisfy both sides

>>18829408
Samefagging. I don't know maybe that strip of land can be shared land or something

>>18829569
The peninsula is specially important for /who/, maybe a shared "special economic zone" that is shared between the 2 powers could help

>>18829569
>>18829728 (me)
Adding to that, /who/ is willing to give naval rights and fishing permissions to Hoshiyomia, a shared economic zone isn't too far off that

>>18821877
I think /nasa/ is fine living in the tundra. They have a comfy space station to huddle up for the long winters. They're used to cold dark space.

>>18829957
Maybe this is the solution, but now there needs to be a lore explanation about why one of the oldest nations has shared economic zone with one of the newest. An explanation that makes sense for both nations

Once /nasa/ secures rebuilding their greenhouses we'll go exploring. We need to find and reclaim the pieces of the space station before anyone else does. Hopefully the station pieces aren't too far away from landing. Though if the station pieces land outside of /nasa/ territory then we're in trouble. Where the pieces land is up to the gamemasters.

>>18828149
There you go /infinity/. Island confirmed.

To the anon who generated the continents, what settings did you use for the map generator, especially the settings that make the black outlines of the land thicker and remove the waves?
I'm looking through the tutorials now to figure this out, but in the off chance that you're here it would help speed things up.

>>18830962
Gambare nue. Any objectives you want to be ironed out while doing the island? Naval power heirarchy? Trade routes? Currency?

>>18832645
Trade routes would be cool, though we'll probably also need to figure out city placement and resources for that.

>>18832918
/nasa/ is pretty simple. They have only the station for now. The rest of /nasa/'s settlements are camps. We do have "escape pods". Escape pods can be used as a shelter for up to four people each. Pods are lifeboats of space. They have computers with survival guides, spacesuits, heating, oxygen, water boiler, bed, packed food storage, and a cooking range. Fortunately the world has oxygen so we can vent the pods. Downside is you have to bunker up as there's not a lot of space. Also without solar pods only have enough fuel to last 5 years by themselves. Pods are also virtually bullet proof. So they can serve as cover. That said pods only have rockets to maneuver in space. Once grounded they're stuck there.

If this is too OP for space tech then let me know. Pods are for surving stranded in space or on alien planets until you're rescued.

>>18832918
Trade routes? Is there any way a humble /nasfaqg/ merchant can help?

>>18833764
I've been meaning to ask this but what currency do /nasfaqg/ use? Also which nation would you be dealing with the most?

>>18833764
>>18834045
Would you use the RPG systems of copper, silver, and gold pieces? 100 copper is worth 1 silver, and 100 silver is worth 1 gold? Or are we going with state issued coining where coins from one nation is worth differently in other nations? How would you prevent counterfeiting?

>>18834045
Going by the straight lore of the game itself, it uses dollars, but given the setting it's likely utilizing golden standard when trading outside of its own borders. It definitely has a fiat currency internally, though, given the inflation, price fluctuations et cetera. I can imagine it being an economic wild west. You can keep your golden coins... or invest in shares. Their value only goes up, after all... Ignore all the crashes. To answer >>18834239 I think mostly gold and silver, and definitely not 100:1, no historical nation had that exchange ever. The coins would be worth their gold content by weight, and given the sheer amounts of exchanges with foreign nations any golden coin would be evaluated and accepted at the price of the gold within it.

Going straight by the game again, the nation that'd be traded with the most is Morig in terms of trade volume, followed by Pekora general, Hololive general, and then Miko, Subaru, Gura generals. That being said, in this world it'd be natural for a lot of trade to commence in the ocean up north due to ideal trade currents; due to the nation being positioned at a strait, I can imagine that in the world's lore a significant portion of trade would also be done in the Nijisanji area.

>>18828149
Kronie emissaries have requested they have a small, manmade island connected to their main island via bridge. They intend to use it for schizo imprisonment and correction. Please keep that in mind, thank you.

>>18828149
Would it be easier to just use photoshop to smooth out their coastlines so they aren't jaggy?

>>18834557
So gold is only worth its weight then. You then judge the golds weight to individual currencies of each nation then?

>>18835456
That'll be doable. I'll probably have the nation be a set of 3 islands as it originally was to reflect this lore post: https://rentry.org/28ccs

>>18835709
I don't think I have the skills necessary to make that island fit in with the style of the Azgaar style map. It'll be much easier to just make a new island(s) using the program itself so that it will be guaranteed to have the same style.

>>18836140
Wait wait, I'm the guy who wrote that. I'd ask if we could just have one main island and the smaller manmade one, please. When I proposed the three islands earlier on I did so without getting Infinity's opinion. A majority of us would prefer one main island + the manmade one, please

I'll edit the rentry accordingly as well

>>18836034
Gold's weight and purity, yes, so there can be equivalent exchange even across dozens of other nations.

>>18836264
>>18836140
Edited lore to accommodate one main island and a smaller manmade island. Also removed the old map. Thank you.

>>18836264
Alright, I'll do just the two islands then.

>>18836140
I'll ask /∞/ if someone can photoshop it to be more reflective of the style you want, or at the very least, smooth it out.

>>18836551
Thank you!

>>18835709
This is the outdated map, please use this one.

>>18836551
>>18836264
Interjecting that it doesn't have to be man made island unless you count the tiny island to the west.
But as long as it's one large island, one smaller one and maybe a tiny one, it works.

>>18837179
>>18836140
QUESTION
If the jaggy parts of the coastline and various elevations are smoothed out, would it work?

>>18837308
The problem isn't just the lack of smoothness, it's mainly the fact that it can be easily distinguished as being made separately from the rest of the map.
I've tried to make land that would look like it could fit the style of the rest of the map, but without using the specific map generator it just isn't convincing due to the nature of how the program builds the terrain using what they refer to as cells. The generator has a way to make custom terrain, which will make it possible to make terrain that has the same style as the rest of the map since the map.
I only recently learned about the terrain editing feature today, which made it easier for me to accept the Kronii island, since aesthetic consistency was one of the main issues for adding new terrain.

>>18837782
Kronie who made the island here. >>18837179
I'd like to see if we can use island just because everyone agreed on it, but try and make it look more like it was used by the other map generator.

If it's really a deal breaker, I'll start using that map program you have to try and create a new island that looks similar to what we had.

Regardless as /∞/ works on this, please use >>18837179 as a placeholder.

Don't let the thread die.

Alright, I've been trying to adjust the settings of the Azgaar map generator in order to make it exactly like the settings that original mapanon used to create all the continents aside from the Hololive continent, which was clearly made by a different anon.
I've managed to make everything look the same, but there's one issue I've run into. For the terracing option under the heightmap, it only changes the opacity of the shadows under the terrain, but not the thickness. As you'll see in pic related, on the left is terrain from the corpo continent, which has very thin shadows under the different height terrain, while on the right image is the terrain I'm trying to match to the original terrain, but the shadows are too thick, and I do not know how to change them.
If there's any anon familiar with the Azgaar generator that knows how to change this, I would very much appreciate learning how to.

>>18836345
Now where can we mine that sweet sweet gold?

Bump

/nasa/'s gone again. So I can't continue until they come back.

Behold anons, for I have created the perfect island for /infinity/. It's my own original creation, with one large island, one smaller island to contain all of the schizos, and a tiny island.

>>18849960
Completely original™ islands. Good work, nuetralfag

>>18849960
>Implying the schizos even own their whole island
Schizos can car bomb us all they like, northern schizoland is rightful /infinity/ clay!

>>18849960
We'll have to let the kronies judge your creation then.

>>18849960
>/alt+236/ is the britain and ireland
>/uuu/ is france
>/who/ is russia
>/rrat/ is switzerland
>/nasa/ is italy

>>18849960
Perfection
t. Archipelagoronie

>>18849960
OH SHIT I'M FEELING IT

>>18849960
Unironically if you flipped it upside down and changed the cold regions appropriately, it'd look good on the world map

>>18849960
/infinity/ is rightfully Jacobite!
https://youtu.be/VTPyvKrU1DM

Does /inf/ have a monument deticated to Kronii's boobs?

>>18852382
Like mount rushmore?

>>18849960
Wait, did you make this by luck, or did you actually just rip off great britian?

>>18857490
Well the map generator lists Britain as one of its default presets, so I wouldn't be surprised if he used that along with tweaking some other settings.

how would it affect the climate though?

>>18858635
Read the thread

>>18858519
>>18849960
I tried putting the original island into azgaar and it came out funky.

I'm still trying to see if the one Kronie from /∞/ who touched up the island will be able to make fix up the island.
Worst case I'll plug in the generator to create something that's not great britian like I'm just warding off the potential threat that /∞/ wants to becomes the British Empire of this world.

Could you post the exact settings for how to do this sort of layout >>18849960?

>>18860396
/inf/ using british snipers. I though they'll control the chrono commandos.

>>18849960
>/infinity/ hates londoners
>Give them an island that looks like England
This can't be accidental.

>>18833686
*raids your space pod for food and cums on your beds*

>>18861908
Found the Investigator.

So.... are any other regions allowed to be talked about other than HoloEN?

>>18850807
not so fast mate

>>18862867
Hoshiyomis were updating their lore last thread

>>18862867
Of course, but people need to bring it up in the first place and there isn't a lot of people talking about the other non-holo regions. Maybe there needs to be envoys for the smaller non hololive generals

>>18862867
/meat/'s currently ironing out its lore between streams

>>18862867
Entice us to visit your region. Become the marco polo or hernan cortes describing el dorado

>>18862867
Yes, just talk about them. People here talk about things that people talk about. So far it seems mostly holoEN splits are interested in the topic.

>>18833764
Draft the trade routes? Wanna see how the money flows.

>>18864514
nta, but you would need to know a lot about the cities of each nation for that

Does anyone have blank maps of the world? With no terrain or national colors, just the outlines of landmasses and possibly borders?

Just spent some time making this trace of the area surrounding /nasfaqg/. I now realize I probably should have asked here first. Having a map like that would help with the placement of cities and intra-nation biomes and so on.

>>18865696
Terrain is kind of important for city placement.

>>18866067
So, terrain maps first, then population density maps, and finally cities with changes to population density so it's more 'grouped' in the points where cities would pop up?

>>18866067
It is, but the terrain can be referred to from other maps. Having a blank map is generally useful for all sorts of purposes.

>>18860396
>British
>extremely expansionist nation at its prime
>/∞/
>die-hard isolationists
Don't make me send a hit squad of steampunk mechsuits(lore pending) to your house

>>18866104
I doubt population density maps are required for city placement. If something, its better to have city placement first and population density map after that.

live

>>18866302
I thought cities are always at the center of a region.

>>18867830
Cities usually form in places where population density is already high or if the place is particularly strategic, and then attract more growth from surrounding regions.

>>18863087
/meat/'s lore autism scares me. Are you guys using to vent frustration over the meidos?

>>18867872
Yes, usually, but its not so simple. Cities may be built for multitude of reasons, and often population density is not the only, or even the main, reason. Due to this, cities sometimes pop up at locations where one would not expect them to be at. Las Vegas is an amazing example of this.

>>18868029
Modern cities, ew. Try looking into more historical examples, but it other than natural locations it usually is defensiveness/strategic location on the strait or so.

>>18868020
yes but it's also because the nature of /meat/ means we have a lot of free time waiting for the next stream

>>18868102
Its just an example, for a more historical one, try Venice.
>spoiler
Yes indeed, but also political reasons. As an example of this is Helsinki, the capital of Finland, which was originally just a small fishing settlement, but was later made into a town by King Gustav I of Sweden in 1550, who wanted for the town to rival the city of Reval (modern day Tallinn). The newfound town was populated by resettled people who were forced to move there by the King's order.
Later on Helsinki was made into the capital by the Russians because they wanted to move the capital of Finland closer to St.Petersburg in order to limit Swedish influence in the area. This change also made the town grow into a city.
Nowadays the city is the most populous one in the country.

did someone say cities?
here is my first attempt at speculating how trade would flow in /kfp/ along navigable waterways and rivers wich would play an important role.
Notice the relative isolation of the northwest because of a lack of these quick transport routes.
I can Imagine the heartland would at first need to use up a dispropotionate amount of recources and Influence to bind these regions to the nation...
What do you think?

>>18868873
what did you use to make this? Could be useful for anons

>>18868873
Impressive. Very nice. Let's see /morig/'s city.

>>18824326
I'm still around you fuck

>>18869474
But your wealth is not.

>>18869848
I'll be back soon, I'll be top 100 again before you notice

>>18868948
The map is the one provided in the thread header https://files.catbox.moe/2v0vvs.png and I edited it with the free software Krita, a great alternative to paint and way more powerful
But be aware that it takes like 2 min to open that huge ass file

Whoever started the first thread, I hate you
Sure the board got an autism sink and another bait thread spot gets reserved
But now we have a pointless war over some pixels on a fictional map

>>18871949
As opposed to a pointless war over a rrat?

>>18871949
I'll be honest, this 'war' is conducted in a pretty civil manner all things considered, and if both parties act respectfully could be a fun conflict once the game begins.

>>18872052
what war? the Hoshiyomia vs /who/ war? I thought it was a civil discussion

>>18872052
So far the worldbuilding gen had 3 wars
The war over continent design
The war over zones
Now the war over kronieland

>>18866153
>Implying the cum never sets on the Kronii Empire.

>>18868873
Hello KFP. Infinity here. Your oshi is based and sex. Her collabs with our oshi are also fun as hell, they make a good pair. We wish to extend good relations with your nation.

>>18872763
Indeed, our trade shall make our nations prosper!
I heard you have some exceptional 우유 on your Island

>>18873495
Of course. Kronii Milk is a potent thing, and considered divine. It's quite difficult to get all the permits to trade it, actually, but I'm sure we can make an exception for the KFP. We can send them over by the crate, in exchange for Phoenix feathers. Don't worry about why we need them.

>>18873771
Ground down to a fine powder and snorted as an aphrodisiac

>>18873912
... I mean hey yes, that's one use for it

>>18873771
>>18873912
Is Kronii milk the equivalent of the spice melange of this universe?

>>18874174
Considering we're talking about /infinity/ Kronii''s milk might not be what you think it is...

>>18874174
THE MILK MUST FLOW

>>18874272
even better

Can FBK and KFP switch places? having KFP on the coastal low lands just feels wrong.

If not then we could just apply something like this to the map. I even drew in glaciers and extra rivers

>>18872203
>Kroniiland
This is a canon location made by Kronii, but it's a prison colony.

>>18874272
The true origins of Kronii milk are a secret well kept in /infinity/ however it can't be denied that Kronii milk is essential for space travel and can even unlock rratsense in some special individuals...

>>18874395
I forgot image. my last post still stands though

>>18874416
>infinity's main export is "Kronii's" "milk"
>literally no one but Kronies actually like handling or using it, let alone ingesting it
>but it's a potent source of energy on par with spacer tech nutrient paste meals
>can also be used as an actual source of power for significantly advanced civilizations

>>18861908
Good luck trying to break the locks.

>>18875715
*cums on your space pod's external ventilation*

>>18876540
goddamn investigators man

Hey KFP, do lit / burning phoenix feathers snuff out when deprived of oxygen, or do they keep burning due to mystical properties? If it snuffs out, does it immediately reignite if reintroduced to oxygen?

>>18874540
as a KFP I actually like the current position as it is neatly close to other splits we have good relations with like wah, nene, duck, mep...
Also in the current map a large part is still Highlands that actually resemble Austria pretty well picrel
If anything, editing the map like >>18874540
makes sense, buut I wouln't want to unilaterally do that before any split can magically just change its territory and we kick off a new map autism timeloop

>>18862875

>/infinity/ fully embraced the anglo larp
God help us

>>18879521
Watch them become the British Empire and colonize the shit out of the world.

>>18879932
Thats dandy and all but what is their endgoal?
Every country gotta have some sort of 'vtuber god' related endgoal.

>>18880096
Take over the world then mass suicide.

>>18811254
Did the original mapfag ever upload .map file of the world map?

I've bruteforced learning how to make stuff in Azgaar and could just manually add /∞/'s island with some modifications that I'd run by /∞/ (I.E. putting the schizo island to the east so it takes the brunt of typhoons)

>>18842745
Likewise, did you figure out the exact settings in case I just have to manually create the island or a variant to be pasted onto the main map?

And how big should the base be given the map is 54,000 x 27,000 pixels.

>>18878499
Its not highlands though, especially not even close to comparable to Austria.

There isn't any standardized measure for topographic maps (most are relative) but on topographic maps for the world the shade of yellow you're calling highlands is generally 201-400 meters on maps I've seen with a similar color scheme, which would make our highest point less than Austria's average.

>>18881139
I'm just going to correct myself real quick. After some searching I've found maps that better fit the color scheme of ours, and it seems that that shade of yellow is generally used to refer to 1000 to 500 on maps of the world. Which is better but still means that are highest point is probably lower than Austria's average (910 meters)

>>18880622
/infinity/'s focus tree leak

>>18881348
eh I still prefer the global location of the current country, but you are right about that height problem, I wonder if we can file a formal request to add a bit of vertical geography or something like that...
In the mean time, I reworked my old flag design, the new versions are more clean and with much more obvious avian features

>>18884371
wich do you prefer?

>>18884371
>>18884406
As the resident flaget
What's the symbolism for the wing and the two wings with the fire in relation to your country and lore?

>>18884516
Founding myth of the country involves a Phoenix.
Do you require further explanation?

>>18884371
Yeah same. I'm not so much bothered by the location (I like our current borders, and while I'd rather have /KFP/ be land locked, its hardly the end of the world) and more by how flat and low down we are. We're basing ourselves on Austria and yet we're not even the most mountainous on our continent.

Wouldn't it be funny if /nasa/ found a gold/silver deposit? /nasa/ actually has a use for gold and silver for rebuilding electronics someday. If /nasa/ has to have a hard currency then it can be coins/bills with computer chips inside them.

>>18886781
I should clarify. The computer chips do not work. They're pieces from the scrapped boards from inside the station. The reason to use these chips as a fiat currency inside /nasa/ is because computer chips are impossible to create for at least 50-100 years. So they are a useless item with a finite supply. Which makes them a pretty decent currency.

>>18887247
on the other hand, it could easily become items for dispute for the more tech-inclined nations like RBK and others which i'm not remembering right now, even if they could not study them at the moment they would conserve them for the future in which they could

>>18849960
Give me an idea what the climate/biome is. Better not be like the real UK.

/ybc/ cities roughly based on their actual position in the real world map, as well as to "which are easily accesible by land and which aren't" determining the roads

>>18887499
Going to have to reject the chip idea because of prime directive. /nasa/ is not used to handling money because they lived cashless. So if /nasa/ wants to trade then they need goods or gold. I suppose /nasa/ will have to prospect the land for precious metals. They do have to dig through permafrost to get to minerals. They can use space suits underground if there's no air or there's toxic gas. Though we do have to keep in mind suits have limited power and air.

>>18865696
Some blank maps were posted in a previous thread, see: >>17805447 and >>17805514 though they're a little outdated now. If nue has the boundaries in a separate layer, I'm sure he could throw together a blank map with borders.

>>18887666
there is one species of venomous snake

>>18887666
Kronie here, I would like it to have some cold, snowy zones because of our relation with frostpunk

>>18887666
>>18891393
We're not Bongs you bogs.
Our climate will be like this.
>>18815305

>>18891755
>subtropical
Cringe

>>18891898
Your eyesight reps anonchama...

I'd like to ask /nasa/ more about their lore. You guys crashlanded from space? So I imagine you'd BTFO the other civs in technology. Do you guys have a very small population or some other limiting factor to keep it balanced?

>>18893376
I mean, I'm pretty sure all other generals are purposefully downgrading their tech to renaissance? Like, considering the sheer amount of bots, programmers, and modern stock market-esque stuff in /nasfaqg/ there's no reason for it to be set in renaissance, I just thought it was the global tech era.

>>18893550
Well yeah, nasfaqg comes off as renaissance Venice but with a techno flair. I was specifically asking out if curiosity. I also wanted to know if sanallites ran out of their advanced space fuel. It would be a good way to keep them from just leaving and as a Kronie it would be a good opportunity for us to trade with you our Kronii milk, it's powerful enough to be used as a power source if you have the tech to refine it

>>18893376
It's been discussed a fair bit, but the crash basically wiped out most of their tech and while they still have blueprints and such for producing more, they lack the manpower and infrastructure to actually do so. That coupled with a "prime directive" to not disseminate their advancements means the tech is out of reach for now.
>>18893718
Fuel shortages would presumably become an issue at some point, though the main thing keeping them from leaving is that their ship was destroyed in the crash and they don't have an effective way to rebuild it yet.

>>18893718
The actual game/thread itself definitely takes after and parodies the modern stock market and crypto.
All the links to Venice were made by loreposters inspired to take that and bring it to a common context - a fair bit of thread memes and jokes are lost in translation when talking about a past historical era. I don't see why /nasa/ would be exempt from adjusting their lore to fit the world.

>>18893855
Noted, thank you! If you guys have anything interesting to trade, we'd be happy to take it for some Kronii milk.
>>18893915
I see, I see

>>18893550
>purposefully downgrading their tech to renaissance?
No, the world is set around renaissance with a little bit of steampunk. /nasa/ would be the odd one out with all that modern technology, but I thought that was on purpose since they don't come from the same world as the rest of the countries

I'm reading the lore in the OP. I'm confused by /kfp/'s leader being Kiara herself. I thought our oshis, or at least the Holo oshis, are goddesses and not physical leaders? Or is it because Kiara is supposedly /here/?

>>18894472
I wonder about /rbc/. They're only lorepost linked in the OP is from the Adeptus Mechanicus and implies they're cyborgs that almost look like battery shaped automatons. How advanced are they?

>>18895251
We need to wait for a robosa to come and discuss those things

>>18884516
This post reminded me, I've made a couple of flags for Sakuran but I'm a flaglet so I'm not sure if they're any good.
The top one I made initially, then the bottom two (they're variations of each other) I made after reading a flagpost saying flags shouldn't be too complicated. Any opinions welcome.

>>18894090
/nasa/ should be able to share manufactured goods and raw materials so long as the technology stays secret. We have modern bakeries and kitchens. So we can trade breads and pastries themselves but not the formula nor the technology/methods used to make them. /nasa/ gives /rrat/ offerings of bread, pastries, and space age preserved food because they're friends.

>>18895822
Thank you, we'll keep this in mind when we figure out what resources Kronies need

Hello /infinity/, I have come with a proposition for your island. First, I plead that you guys will at least be willing to compromise on the placement of /infinity/. All I ask is that you allow it to be placed in the western ocean so that it is near the other Council member nations. I understand that the eastern ocean is an old claim, but every other nation has at least been willing to compromise on positioning, so I hope that you guys will be willing to as well.
Anyway, here are my initial propositions for the Island. On the left is the meme GB choice that I originally just made for the joke, but there was a response that suggested using it if it was flipped around, so we might as well have it as an option.
On the right is my adaptation of the island that was made for /infinity/ by that one anon, but using the Azgaar program so that the style fits with the rest of the map. I've also flipped it around and rotated it a bit.

>>18857490
Nah, I did deliberately rip off Great Britain for the meme.
>>18860396
>>18880853
For the settings I had to change under style the heightmap to the light color scheme, then under Ocean I changed it to "no pattern" and had to change the color to what the map uses, and under coastline I increased the stroke width to 1, and increased the opacity to full. There might be some other small settings I've forgotten as well, so it's probably not perfect.
Also there wouldn't be a .map file from the original anon since the map was pieced together using multiple generated maps, so the original .map files would be gone, and not exist for the full map.
>>18887666
Depends on where it ends up being placed, in pic related it should be sufficiently chilly.

>>18895637
The top one is the best one imo. You remove the ahoge, simplify the torii gate somehow and maybe change the yellow to a cold color (probably green) and there you have it, I think. The other two looks like someone is taking a photo of the torii gate and a sakura petal fell the exact moment you took the photo

>>18896202
Thank you Neufag, I'll show this to the Kronies. However, about that placement, our northeastern placement submission would've very minimally affected cliamte and currents, if at all. I don't know anything about climates so I don't know if that location will affect it now. Perhaps we should wait on climateanon before accepting that new position, as it may lead to more problems in the future.

And speaking of compromise, we compromised a lot already in terms of size and geography (mountains, snow regions) so I hope you understand if some of us are iffy on compromising again, this time on positioning.

>>18896452
I'm against compromising on this because it goes against our lore of being isolated under some false premise we need to be neighbors with our gen.
Also climatefag shows the original location selected would create subarctic territory so the frostpunk aesthetic is retained.

>>18896620
To add to this, it's not like Myth nations are close together either. /morig/ is closer to some JP holos than it is to the nearest Myth neighbor.

>>18896620
More importantly placing /infinity/ on the eastern side of the continent won't disrupt the climate of the rest of the continent due to currents staying more or less the same.

>>18896738
Climatefag also pointed out that the island acts as buffer that helps protect the mainland from monsoons.

>>18896452
I don't know for sure, but I'd assume that the placement there would make it a bit colder for /nasa/ and Schizo wastes, but otherwise wouldn't make a large impact.
>>18896697
Anon, /morig/ is only a short swim from /wah/, while /infinity/ being on the eastern side Hololive puts them on the opposite side of the world from the council members, who should naturally be the nations they would have most friendly relations with.

>>18896881
>who should naturally be the nations they would have most friendly relations with.
You haven't done your reps then if you actually believe this.

>>18896881
Ironically we are nicer to KFP, Hoshiyomia, and Meat barbarians than we are to the rest of the council. Only /uuu/ has some relation with us and it's not very good

I agree with the anons here, the eastern side for /infinity/ is better for everyone. Less headaches with the climates changing for the nations near. There's also no reason either for the Council countries to be near each other

>>18896881
well, regardless of relations, council splits are still the first to recieve the spill over of some of /infinity/'s schizo shit going too far, /who/ had to deal with a falseflagger trying to get the threads to shit down on each other multiple times

>>18896997
Adding to this, we can have embassies if they really want to establish relations.

>>18897004
Us being further away would make that interaction one schizo sailing out to treacherous northern ice sheets just to start shit. I think that's better imagery

>>18896257
>simplify the torii gate somehow
What exactly do you mean by this? I think this is one of the simplest designs I've found
>change the yellow to a cold color (probably green)
Kek, we've had this discussion in our thread as well, it *is* supposed to be green, specifically Miko's eye colour (taken with the colour picker tool), but somehow it ends up looking more yellow than expected
As for the petals, yeah, I was kinda trying to do an imperial Japan type of flag while also keeping the torii gate and the colouration but I'm not sure how.

>>18896202
Honor the original deal Nuetralfag, our rightful clay is to the east, not the west.

>>18896452
I was just about to go to sleep so I cant do a better analysis right now but at a glance the placement should not affect things too much.
/nasa/ area might get a bit colder as the warm ocean current gets deflected by the island. This may cause the tundra to expand southwards a bit.

The southern part of the infinity island would likely get oceanic climate, with a lot of rainfall throughout the year. The northern parts of the island could still plausibly be subarctic. With this placement the island would be well above the polar front and inside the polar cell. I'm too tired to double check my facts and go in detail but theres a high chance cold northern winds are to be expected, and depending on how much of the poles the map leaves out the area may be within the area that could be affected by the polar vortex. If yes, there's a high chance of extreme cold temperatures. take this with a grain of salt, or go read more on the effects of polar vortex fuckery, fascinating stuff https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January%E2%80%93February_2019_North_American_cold_wave

I can make some better analysis tomorrow
>>18896830
Not monsoons, hurricanes/typhoons. Very different.

>>18896881
Your assumption is very good.

>>18897137
>What exactly do you mean by this?
I literally don't know, but I feel like it's too complex. Maybe use the same shade of red for all the torii gate? A softer red

>>18897316
>>18896881
I'd much rather have /infinity/ have a mix of arctic and oceanic climate. Having us being frozen solid 24/7 would hamstring our development.
I vote we keep the original location to the east.

>>18897438
I dont think you'd be frozen solid except maybe every now and then based on the season but up to you guys.

>>18897316
Wait, so the new placement would give us oceanic weather in the south and possibly subarctic weather in the north? Or is this set up for the old placement?

>>18896997
Now that I read >>18897316, I discard the climate changing argument but I still think that it's not necessary for the Council countries to be near each other

>>18897516
The original placement gave us these options. >>18815305

Nuefag is trying to unilaterally move us and didn't even consider the implications to the climate.

>>18897608
I'd like to hear it from climateanon, thank you. I want us in the original placement too, but we need to confirm the implications with the thread expert first.

>>18897516
Maybe, feels weird putting oceanig next to subarctic but I'll check on that more tomorrow. At the moment I'd say its reasonably plausible. that the new placement would give you that.

You could get the same with the old placement if you took the option 2 (on the right) shown here though >>18816258

>>18897648
Thank you, climateanon. We'll wait till we can get a more in depth analysis from you at your convenience. In the mean time we can figure out which island formation we like more.

>>18897748
>In the mean time we can figure out which island formation we like more.
There is nothing to figure out, keep the original island in the original location to the east.
We already compromised enough.

>>18897608
the problem with the placement in >>18815305 is that its harder to justify oceanic climate since you cant have the warm ocean current or the eastern coast of the continent would change and it would change drastically, the area would become mediterranean . Nue's new placement would give you that oceanic cliamte 100% if you want it.

>>18897608
To me it seems he did consider the climate, and he assumed well too. Its not a bad place climate-vise.

>>18897959
I agree with you that we compromised more than enough as is, but maybe the new placement is better than the last. Let's wait on the expert. And yeah I prefer the original formation as well, but let's put it to a vote in infinity so that it's all nice and fair.
>>18897976
Not that anon but I feel like northern coldness is more important than anything else in regards to our climate. If the bottom half was not oceanic and anything else instead, would woukd it be in the eastern placement?

>>18897976
So does that mean the charts we were given are junk?

>>18897976
Placing us directly off the west coast messes with the lore of being isolated, IIRC one of the biggest requests when the island was being made was for us to be further isolated. Having us be a stone throw away from the mainland completely defeats that purpose. and disregards our lore.

I'd also like to add, /infinity/ staked out their territory first, so if anything, the other council states should be forced to move closer to /infinity/ in nuefag really wants to be autistic about keeping gens close together.

>>18898079
>would woukd it be in the eastern placement?
the easiest guess would be humid continental (southern sweden) i really need to learn the proper köppen codes for the climates, talking about "humid continental" really doesnt tell you much but suddenly i feel like a cold steppe could also be an option if the rainfall is low enough. I'd have to check, this might just be my tired brain coming up with stupid ideas.

>>18898115
what charts

>>18898268
I'm not here to fight about placement or zoning, and when i'm climate posting i try to remain as neutral as possible so I cant exactly say anything on the topic even though I do go to infinity. I'd be to tired for that anyways.

>>18898268
For a nation to be isolated there's no need for it to be so far away though. When I started thinking about Hoshiyomia, I thought of an island isolated kinda like Japan, not too far away from the continental coastline but in the end it wasn't possible and I chose a bay and discarded the isolated thing

>>18898484
This >>18815305

Actually, given Climatefag is the true neutralfag here given neufag has shown he's biased. Where would /∞/ island need to be placed in the Eastern Ocean to have a northern subarctic continental and southern humid continental like was listed in your original climate and ocean current analysis?
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd follow what he says.

>>18898671
Can you stop acting like a retard? Discuss things like a normal person without throwing shit to another person

>>18898834
I'm tried of having shit changed unilaterally on us, it needs to be called out.

>be promised territory
>stake it out before other splits in your gen
>submit archipelago in that territory, no problem
>change it to island, suddenly problem
>make it smaller, still problem
>make it even smaller, still problem
>make it yet smaller and redesign the topography, fine
>self appointed tripfag moves you to mainland because ??
>convince him to give you island
>now he wants you to be closer to the rest of your gen
>even if that territory was promised for you before the others staked out theirs
>even if other gens aren't that tightly packed
>even if embassies are a thing

>>18898671
i dont get how those would be junk. The option B maybe, it definitely is junk.

Option C is the most likely among those examples. I cant do you any placement suggestions or analysis' now but in general in that eastern ocean zone:
northwards means colder
southwards means warmer
westwards means warmer and wetter southern coast
eastwards means weird ocean currents i cant say much about now

Keep in mind that I'm not just considering thread relations with placement, more so than that I've been placing nations based on thematic relevance, whether that be the generation of the chuubas, or whether there's a climate that better fits thematically with that chuubas nation.
In this specific case, climate-wise either side of the ocean works since the placement can always be moved vertically to change to the desired climate.
So that leaves thematic relevance as the primary deciding factor. In this case, there's at least two factors that would make the western positioning work better thematically, while the only reason for the eastern placement is it supposedly doesn't affect the climate of other nations, which is a very insignificant factor.
The positioning on the west side both allows for the council nations to all be near each other for thematic relevance, and allows /infinity/'s schizo island to be fairly close to the new Schizo wastes, which is a neat coincidence since the close proximity allows a potential lore connection to be made there.

As for the isolation argument, the fact that the land is now an island already allows for complete isolation, since all that is needed to enforce that isolation is a navy to ward off would be invaders. It's not like geographic isolation is necessary anyway, North Korea is the most isolationist nation in the world and is in the middle of a peninsula.

Kronies are fucking cancer, I swear. Please, give them the fucking island far away from everyone else so they can stop shitting the thread

>>18899000
>it supposedly doesn't affect the climate of other nations, which is a very insignificant factor.
Anons here got really fucking mad about how our island woudlve disrupted the climate before climateanon cleared that up. I'd say people think that's a big factor.

Unless you're trying to say it's a big factor if it does but a small factor when it doesn't, to your convenience.

>submission disrupts climate
We'd have to rewrite and inconvenience so many other factions so much to accommodate you. Sorry, were putting you elsewhere
>submission doesn't disrupt climate
Eh, that's an insignificant factor. It doesn't really matter so we're putting you elsewhere.

>>18896202
how much would you be willing to compromise? since /infinity/ would have to give up their old claim it would seem only fair they can make some additional demands if they accepted this placement offer.

>>18899000
This argument you're making was already addressed when someone wanted to name the oceans after the big vtuber CEOs. How is it relevant to /vt/? Because this is a world based off of /vt/ and not vtubing as a whole, so thematic relevance like generations is irrelevant. If /who/ started a war with /suisei/ over coastal territory, /infinity/ would be more likely to side with /suisei/ just to wipe out /who/ because of how obnoxious the kromei shitposter that's been plaguing /infinity/ is.
Don't assume that the world of vtubing as a whole reflects how /vt/ is.

Second, the climate in the original location was ideal since the northern land was already a tundra climate, and the southern land was temperate. Furthermore the climate anon has already said the island's original location wouldn't impact the world's climate in a significant way.

Finally, distance matters. taking from >>18898647
about wanting to be Japan, their isolation policies were undone by the Perry Expedition because they were able to directly travel from the Chinese mainland to Japan instead of trying to travel across the pacific. Being further away from the mainland makes it harder for other nations to engage. This works perfectly into /infinity/'s lore because only some of the most persistent shitposters from other splits come to /infinity/. Also being close to the Schizos wastes would be irrelevant since home bred /infinity/ schizos are an entirely different breed compared to the average one that populates /vt/ and they already have their own island.

>>18899647
Infinity already compromised on the size and geography / topography of the island. We've compromised enough, especially if you're asking us to give up the territory we were given before other council splits claimed their own zones, the same territory we claimed ages ago with the original archipelago submission that no one had issue with

>>18899907
>If /who/ started a war with /suisei/ over coastal territory, /infinity/ would be more likely to side with /suisei/ just to wipe out /who/ because of how obnoxious the kromei shitposter that's been plaguing /infinity/ is.
This. Also blue woman sexposting solidarity.
>Don't assume that the world of vtubing as a whole reflects how /vt/ is.
Exactly.

And to add to everything else you said, embassies exist. If Neufag wants us to be able to communicate easily with our gen, we can use advanced radio towers in embassies.

>>18900007
I just realized the tripfag is trying to pull a fast one on us as well.

Compare the size of the 'island' he wants to give us compared to what we already had.
>>18811254
>>18896202
It's even smaller than the one we were forced to compromised on. The tripfag can take his deal and blow it out his ass.

>anons contribute a lot to their own lore
>promise territory to good contributors
>give them criticism for their submission; they make changes three times to be accepted
>almost get denied by self-appointed tripfag because of a deadline no split was made aware of
>tripfag then unilaterally changes the submission because it affected his head canon
Don't do this please.

Look. At. This. Shit.
He didn't even mention it in his original post.

>>18900213
Okay, what the fuck? This is getting ridiculous. Prior to this dispute we've done nothing but try to buidk good relations with other generals and contribute while taking what both we and this thread wants. Why is one self appointed tripfag giving us a hard time and why is everyone deferring to him?

a better argument could be made that /∞/ should be close to /HiRyS/ because that's easily the split we have the most crossover with

>>18900822
NameRyS? That's just one person who shills their work in /∞/ and fucks off when they get enough attention.

The isolated island fits that lore perfectly.

Are we still on this fucking timeloop?

>>18900901
This is entirely Nuetralfag fault.

>>18900901
The timeloop would end by now if Neufag just gave us the territory promised to us ages ago that we already claimed and no one complained about. We've already shrunk our island 3 times and he's shrunk it once more without letting us know, it's getting ridiculous.

>>18900873
Nah, /∞/ has developed into something of a haven for timerys shippers because nobody else will even acknowledge it. Nameronii is just the most notable one.

I agree that an island makes most sense, I'm just saying, we're not especially close with the rest of Council.

Dangerously based Neutralfag. Kronies deserve to be given this slap on the face so they learn to behave. Since Day 1 the have been doing nothing but complaining and whining, desperate to be given special treatment.
I fully support this decision

>>18901043
That poll is a hasty generalization fallacy. /∞/ might like IRyS the most as a partner to Kronii while streaming, but we still don't interact with her split.

>>18901123
That's because we keep a low profile when visiting her split due to bad history with falseflaggers.

>>18901157
>It happens, just believe me
That's not compelling evidence.

>>18901123
>>18901043
>>18900873
Please go to >>18897175

>>18901194
I've presented more actual evidence than you.

>>18901219
Fallacious evidence is not evidence.

>>18900873
Shut the fuck up Jesse, Namerys contributes a lot to discussion and archiving. And there's more to the HiRyS overlap; there was that join effort soundpost-sexpost and there's still a TimeRyS push to this day

>>18901241
>>18901120
These posts are by Jeese.

>>18901120
>complaining and whining
Is that code for making the most lore and trying to make the most good relationships with other splits?

>>18901272
No, but I think the one I was replying to is Jesse.

>>18901277
It's code for shut the fuck up about your make believe island and be thankful you are being tolerated enough while you raid and loudly take over the thread with your chunie shit

yeah see this is why I don't say I'm from /∞/ when I go to /HiRyS/

>>18901005
This, everything was settled already and /∞/ was even working on neutralfag's demand of making the island look more in the art style of the rest of the map. And then he does this.

To those who don't have skin in this game, what's going to stop neutralfag from stabbing you in the back the moment it's convenient for him?

I miss when we had a lot of generals participate and be excited about things...

>>18901318
>thread is about lore building for threads on Mongolian basket weaving forum
>complain about chuuni shit

>>18901372
Nothing, but my thread is literally never getting touched

>>18901414
>It can never happen here.

>>18901377
They all got turned off seeing a tripfag power mod his headcanon over thread contributions.

>>18896202
I got a proposition for you. Eat shit and die.

>>18901577
You're not helping. I'm already trying to make good arguments for us, no need to do that.
t. Archipelagoronie

>>18901566
Honest question, do we even need the tripfag? We already got the map and that's the only thing he was supposed to be good at.

>>18901611
his whole point was to solve disputes and to place the generals, but absolutely nothing has been solved and the motherfucker sort of just bails after he posts

>>18901612
Not that Kronie, but he is correct. We already had everything settled and Nuefag then not only tries to change our location but shrink the island further, and he does not even tell us he shrank the island either. There is no point in negotiating with someone who goes back on their word and actively tries to cheat you.

>>18901675
>Neutral fag is only neutral when his desicions don't go against what I want
He is neutral, so maybe get off your high horse and realize the claims of Kronies are absolutely ridiculous.

Please, leave this thread. Nobody wants you here

>>18901772
fuck off shitbag, i'm not a clock schizo

>>18901611
>>18901675
Good points but that's not up to us. Unfortunately. And because of some schizoronies and falseflaggers I don't think we've earned the favor of the other anons who still defer to him.
>>18901712
I'd have to agree but tryijg to be civil for the sake of the other anons is better than shitting up the thread against one guy

>>18901839
>Good points but that's not up to us.
Who is it up too? Nuefag has proven he cannot be trusted. Trying to unilaterally move us after everything was settled is bad enough. But he was also trying to cheat out out of land as well

>>18901772
If he was really neutral he'd take into account prior promises, prior compromises, and other non-Kronies last thread expressing how we should get our island in our territory.

>>18901772
>Please, leave this thread. Nobody wants you here
Not a good look for a thread claiming to be a collaborative effort.

>>18901917
>muh prior promises
Cope, those have 0 worth

>>18901917
He also wouldn't be trying to undermine the deal made every step of the way.

What the fuck happened here

>>18902020
Neufag attempts to cheat Infinity out of land and promised territory, Kronies get fucking mad, some anon who just hates Kronies pretends this thread isn't chuuni as fuck and a collaborative effort

>>18902020
If I had to guess, you've unfortunately attracted the attention of the same shitter schizo that plagues /infinity/, in which case, he's not interested in settling this. Only collecting (You)s by starting timeloops.

>>18902020
tl;dr Nuetralfag went back on his word over infinity's island and not only tried to change its location unilaterally, but shrank it without telling anyone.

>>18902020
Neufag gives Kronies a very sensible offer that accomodates all interests, Kronies throw a tantrum like they always do, attempt to straight out steal the map and do their own thing that Neufag worked on himself

>>18902163
>Neufag gives Kronies a very sensible offer that accomodates all interests,

>make island smaller for the 4th time without telling anyone
>move island from territory no one ever complained about us having
"All interests" my ass, Jesse.

Remember to not engage the opportunistic shitposter.

>>18902224
All interests that matter.
Kronies do not matter.

>>18902294
>Kronies do not matter
>In the matter most concerning them
Thanks, you outed yourself as a shitter to all the thread.

Holy shit, this much faggotry just because I wanted to move your island to a different location?
Now I'm being accused of shrinking the island, when I was just going by eye, I didn't actually measure your island to deliberately make it smaller you schizo retards.
You could have just requested me to make it bigger, and not be massive fucking cunts about it.
I would have even been willing to move it back to the other position if more time had passed and it was still clear that most were against it, but now changing it back just sets the precedent that anyone can make any stupid change if they simply complain enough.

>>18902410
Give us the fucking island, you shithead. You have no say over what happens in the map, and you are not an Overlord.

>>18902410
Letting you get away with this shit sets the precedent that you can do whatever you want and tear up any agreement, deals or compromises because you personally don't like it.

I'd rather not lose an entire thread due to a shitposter, please. I may be a little biased as I like Kronies, but if they were promised something what is the real harm in giving them what they want? This running in circles nonsense does nothing but infuriate. Surely we can accommodate a single island, no? This isn't some slippery slope case where everyone is going to end up demanding full control over everything because a spaghetti noodle they had got eaten by someone else.
Everyone just needs to calm down, the more heated things get, the worse they get. Be calm, ask the one in charge, wait for that person's call, ignore people who try to tell you otherwise.

>>18902410
The complaints are valid though. You made us smaller even after three compromises on our size, perhaps not on purpose but you did. You insist we compromise AGAIN and take the west coast when the east coast was given to us ages ago and no one complained. You want us to be closer to our gen but other splits aren't that tightly packed.

>>18902410
See
>>18900454
Please don't be that person Nuetralfag.

>>18902410
>precedent that anyone can make any stupid change if they simply complain enough.
god forbid that a largely anonymous, collaborative project be democratic

>>18902410
Make the island sink under the water, Infinity is now a lost civilization.
They get their "special care" lore and demands, and the rest of the thread can go around ignoring their autism

>>18902629
Don't forget that /∞/ listened to the criticisms levied against their original submission and implemented them as an act of good faith.

>>18902766
And they did it thrice.

>>18902410
The fact you've been acting in bad faith this entire time is why people assume the worst of you nuefag. This entire sitution is entirely your own making.

>>18902410
Listen, as a kronie myself and mostly an observer to all this, I'm gonna go ahead and try to settle this. The climatefag already did the legwork figuring out how the eastern placement would work, and I don't think it's fair to make him do it again just to satisfy adjacency to the other council splits, unless he wants to pipe up himself on this matter, we'd have to wait for him to come around again in that case.

As for the size, it's an honest mistake that anyone could have made, and it honestly doesn't matter if it's slightly smaller or larger anyway, none of the other threads have complained about size as far as I'm aware, so I'm willing to recognise that it's not fair of some of us to kick up this much of a stink over it. I don't really care myself so long as it's equivalent to the average size. You've done good work with the shapes, even the meme, which I had a chuckle over, but wouldn't take as a legitimate option because literally just putting england on the map doesn't mesh well with the other fantasy landmasses, but that's neither here nor there.

All that said, this thread already promised the eastern territory before you took charge of the map, and it coincidentally offers the least disruption to the climate that we know of. You have to ask yourself if you're willing to break this thread's word, regardless of what /infinity/ does as a result, it creates a bad precedent on your neutrality if you arbitrarily make this choice against what most of everyone involved has already agreed on. Are you willing to potentially risk this whole venture to spite a handful of shitposters?

>Neufag is retarded for trying to do a cheeky rugpull

>Kronies are *extremely* retarded in how they are unable to see beyonf their own wants and demands

>Ant-Kronies anon is just really fucking weird and needs to very urgently see a doctor.

All in all, complete shitfest. I love /vtwbg/

>Neufag is retarded for trying to do a cheeky rugpull

>Kronies are *extremely* retarded in how they are unable to see beyond their own wants and demands

>Anti-Kronies anon is just really fucking weird and needs to very urgently see a doctor.

All in all, complete shitfest. I love /vtwbg/

>>18902410
>>18903122
Choose your words carefully. You are not going to out autism /∞/.

>>18903288
>unable to see beyond their own wants and demands
But we already compromised on size and topography. We also too ikto account how the original placement didn't fuck up the climate for anyone else - the new one will make /nasa/ colder.

This is not a "everyome fucked up" situation.

>>18903484
And to add to this, the vast majority of /vtwbg/ was in favor of giving /infinity/ their island after they were willing to make compromises. This entire timeloop is just neufag acting alone and against the will of almost the entirely of what /vtwbg/ agreed on.

I just want to trade fish man, anyone want fish?

>>18899647
it's an obscene compromise to even let them be negotiating about this shit at all, don't push your fucking luck. an entire extra thread was wasted on this even after you put on the puppydog eyes and begged to everyone after that mess a couple days ago

>>18903950
/ybc/ here, what kind of fish do you got?

>>18902410
Oh no you don't, you don't get to play the victim when you're the aggressor in this sitution.

>>18902410
Get lost neufag. We don't need you anymore, we have the map, and that's all we wanted you to do.
The island stays. You can leave now

>>18903122
>you arbitrarily make this choice against what most of everyone involved has already agreed on.
I even asked beforehand if they'd allow it, and gave my reasonings for why I wanted to make the change. Instead of them simply refusing the change in a reasonable manner, I instead get pure vitriol and anger just for wanting to make a change. I even set the precedent that I'm willing to change my mind and make changes based on what the majority agrees on, which is why I ended up allowing them to have their island, despite the fact that it's unfair special treatment in their favor.
At this point the damage is already done. Even if I give them their laundry list of unreasonable demands that give them completely unfair special treatment compared to anyone else, it won't change the fact that a handful of schizos will always create problems for the thread so long as I'm involved in creating anything.
I'm just going to leave like they want, since this is pointless if I can't even make small changes without causing a meltdown.

>>18902410
I don't know where this wave of hostile retards came from all of a sudden, I'm in full support of this. Infinityfags should never have been given an inch, because they'll cry and beg and whine until they steal a mile from us. The argument of
>hurr but they put in the effort
doesn't ring quite as true when we're an entire extra thread in, forcing all the mapfags to do loads of extra work, and still unable to come to a hard consensus. They should have just been rejected at the outset and given their spot on the continent

>>18904419
>unreasonable

>give us the island we compromised thrice for
>in the territory promised to use long ago that no one complained about prior
Wow so unreasonable.

>>18904419
Bye, nobody will miss you faggot

Okay, I'm prefacing this by saying it's a really fucking crazy idea, but her me out:
Would it be possible for the red and yellow areas in picrel to just swap? It's 9 to 9 nations, though area doesn't quite match up, mountains fir /rrat/ can either come with them or new ones are created, we threaten climate anon at gunpoint to touch up the analysis, the island stays in the east, council is closer, /rrat/ can even border stars for that hot Roberu action (don't know if you actually have any overlap), most JPs are closer, most ENs and IDs are closer, everyone is (relatively) happier.
It's obviously a lot of work and would require possible terraforming, so I expect objections, but it's just a suggestion.

>>18904465
Why are you still here, anti-Kronie schizo? We won.

>>18903996
Just your standard river salmon, it'll cost ya a single silver coin!

>>18904630
>Let's shift an entire continent so 1 (ONE) group of whiny bitches can have their cake and eat it too.
No

>>18904630
Not necessary. We just want our island in the territory given to us

>>18904755
Anon if you really think that I'm not using the kronies debacle to push my own agenda you're sorely mistaken

>>18904419
>small change
Here's the problem tripfag, and what's always been your problem. You didn't ask. You just did it. To a reasonable third party a post like this >>18896202
looks like you are forcing /∞/ to move since you already have the land charted out for them, even after it was agreed too.
This is why everyone assumed the worst of you when they noticed you shrank /∞/'s land mass. Maybe it was an honest mistake on your part, but given your past history and how /∞/ had already reduced their land multiple times as part of a compromise, you shouldn't be shocked to be met with thunder and fury.

Use this situation as a lesson that you can't impose your will on a community if the vast majority of the community has agreed to something else.

>>18904686
Sounds lovely but...
1- I have no idea who am I buying from
2- What's the trade exchange of /ybc/ diamond to /your nation/'s silver?
3- Can I get the picture too?

>>18904630
You can flip everything if you want, we're still getting our island since that was the point.

>>18904419
Okay, but your purpose here is to be an arbitrator yes? Make a ruling when two parties are unable to come to terms? Most of /vtwbg/ and /infinity/ are for the eastern placement outside a handful of obvious shitposters, neutral arbitration is less necessary here because the majority is already in favour of a single outcome. There's been no opposition from other threads, or demands that they receive similar treatment either.

>Laundry list of unreasonable demands
Our unreasonable demands are:
Honour /vtwbg/'s promise. Even if others have argued it poorly and more heatedly, that's the core issue. We compromised heavily already at /vtwbg/'s request with few complaints.

The fact is, it wasn't your choice to give /infinity/ apparently special treatment, it was /vtwbg/'s, you're in the clear, you'd just be doing what the thread wants.

I'll agree, this is a shitshow, and really should have been ended sooner, but it is what it is.

>>18904920
10 raiding Kronies from /infinity/, occasionally falseflagging to support themselves is not a vast majority

Reminder to ignore the bad faith shitposter

Those mean Kronies are demanding so much, wanting us to honor the promise given to them weeks ago. Won't someone think of the tripfag?

Can't we just put this to a vote or something? Have someone make a poll so we can just say definitively that this or that is what /vtwbg/ wants? All the complaining would stop if we just had that to look at. Clearly neither party wants to believe they're in the wrong, so let's make a new vote right here and just end this senseless bickering.

>>18904998
And don't forget /infinity/ made multiple compromises with /vtwbg/

>>18904938
1. You're buying from a humble fisherman from /yeah/
2. I am unsure, but for this occasion, I think 1 /ybc/ diamond should be a 100 silver coins
3. Of course

>>18902590
>>18903601
>>18904502
>>18904920
This rhetoric two or three of you infinityfags keep pushing where
>nooo EVERYONE already agreed to all this
>nooo NOBODY complained
is as pathetic as it is misleading. You have been contested at every step of the way, and as soon as you get some purchase, you cling onto it for dear life like it's your god-given right rather than something reluctantly conceded to you. I was on your side a thread ago, but now I hope you crash and burn

>>18905478
We already did, a few days ago
http://poal.me/4xkb9m
I made this one specifically so that it won't get reposted in infinity

>>18905478
I think there was a poal here a couple days ago regarding giving us our island that was in favour 20 to 1 when I last checked it. I didn't vote in it myself.

>>18905565
Yeah, this one.

>>18905512
We had a poll days ago when this whole thing started. We won. Where are the people who contested us? Why aren't they voting nearly as much as they could?

>>18905565
Thank god. Okay. We have our proof on what people want. This is the poll, there's our democracy. Can we just call it a day now? This has dragged on for obscenely long.
Give the Kronies what they want and just... Move on.

>>18905505
>We compromised heavily already at /vtwbg/'s request with few complaints.
I did mention that

>>18905718
Me, I'm here. I voted in your favor, because despite several threads of autism, you put in the time and effort to actualize your vision.
And what is my trust repaid with? You bog down our efforts at proceeding to the lore stage for several more days and scare off Nuefag over what should've been a mundane civil dispute. Go fuck yourselves

Okay. Here's what we do.
We ignore Nuetralfag's actions and use this as the world map.
>>18904920
And this is under the impression that /∞/ will make their island look similar to the rest of the world map.
Or they create lore to explain why it's different.

>>18905973
>You bog down our efforts at proceeding to the lore stage
Did you want us to lay down and let Neufag move us to the mainland so you can move forward on this """collaborative""" effort?

>>18906117
You're responding to the bad faith shitposter anon...

Just ban Infinity from further participating, please.

>>18906117
No, I wanted you to explain why you disagreed without making 20 greentexts about how you were supposedly being shafted or victimized again. I agree Nuefag should've been the bigger person and ignored it, but god if I don't understand why he had his fit. You people are insufferable

>split contributes a lot of lore and tries to be collaborative
>don't honor previous agreements
>ban then when they get mad
Nice collaborative effort

>>18905511
/yah/ bros are always welcome in /ybc/, your oshi is based and legend says she even descended from the heavens once, to visit her city up north of our island!

In that case, a silver equals 1 /ybc/ emerald, so I'll pay 2 for the fish and as a sign of good faith!

>>18906205
On what grounds anon? This is meant to be a full board effort. I detest the infinity raid going on atm (especially you, anon, the one that says "unilaterally" all the time, you know who you are, expand your vocabulary and fix your aggressiveness, you've been called out too many times) l, but it true they put in the effort, and banning them is not a good look on this general's goals and what it was meant to represent

>>18906532
>>18906541
like clockwork, no pun intended

>>18906711
He fears the greentext because it's true.

>>18906602
/yeah/ and /yah/ are different threads, anon...

>>18906617
On the grounds that we were just about to start the fun part before they had this schizo attack

>>18906532
We already did. *I* already did. I was telling other Kronies to calm down all day yesterday and earlier this thread. I made lists of reasons why we should have the island we compromised for and in the territory we were given. Not my fault you only focus on the angry Kronies.

Shit, a few posts up is a civil post explaining it even better than I could. But you are letting some angry people ruin that.

>>18906862
Fuck
I missread... h-how embarrasing
Please forgive me, block game has made me unable to process information correctly anymore

>>18906865
Even if the schizo Kronies didn't join in and it was just the one or two who were trying to explain it in civil terms, we'd still be held up waiting. That is unless you wanted us to lay down and take it when the self appointed tripfag decided to not honor all our prior agreements and compromises?

>>18906602
I'm from /yeah/, not /yah/, but i understand the confusion. Thank you nonetheless!

>>18906875
To be fair, /∞/ did let you negotiate and assumed everything was settled.
Then today happened. Be happy /∞/ didn't want the tripfag's head on a pike.

>>18907074
Please accept this Diamond as a sincere apology, fish trading bro

I'm still currently prospecting the natural resources /nasa/ currently has. Are there any mountains or hills nearby or is it all snowy plains?

>>18907216
Anon, I am from infinity. I made the lorepost and the original archipelago in the agreed territory. I've been here since this shit started trying to get everyone to calm down and think rationally.
>Be happy /∞/ didn't want the tripfag's head on a pike.
You people did though, and just like I expected your anger has gotten at least one person who would've supported us to hate us. Take your meds and watch the collab, Kronie.

>>18907443
Anon, I don't think /vtwbg/ wanted nuefag's head on a pike. /infinity/ is currently missing its principle shitposter and I think it's obvious where they went.

>>18906875
If you wrote that first long response, you're alright, anon, I apologize for generalizing you all.
Please reign your autistic compatriots in though, this raid is ridiculous. You must understand that watching as a bystander, the integrity of the entire thread and the primary team that's been putting in work until now crumbling just so your single faction can feel validated is frustrating.
I rescind my seething post from a bit ago, I DO want to see you get your island, but I also hope you have the decency to try and make up with the thread rather than throwing around this tribalism horseshit and spewing indignance with every post

>>18907216
I'm tired of dealing with your shit. I want you all gone
What are these constant threats supposed to be?
>>18907216
>>18903306

>>18907443
They didn't though? They'd be demanding the tripfag be removed from any decision making instead of just keeping their island.

>>18907350
Judging from the height map, your territory seems to be fairly flat, with mountains forming your southern border.

We... We have a poll, please. Just look at the poll. Vote against it if you want, but just use the poll so we can stop this back and forth. I'm horribly tired of all the arguing.

>>18907874
That means there's no minerals above permafrost then. And mountains are too close to other territories. If we still had machines to dig a quarry then minerals won't be an issue. But we don't have machines. So we're going to have to rely on melting scrap for metal.

>>18907632
I'm trying anon. Other Kronies are not making this easy. Some of them type like the chuuni falseflaggers our own thread is plagued with, and like someone pointed out he's noticably missing from our thread. But what saddens me is at least some of these schizos are actual Kronies.

Really sorry they made a mess, anon. That goes to all /vtwbg/

>>18908512
I'm also here trying to promote reason, I don't think most of our thread even realises this is happening to be honest.

So how long until we can continue lorebuilding?

>>18908897
A day or two, optimistically.

>>18908693
The Kronies who were interested were, they were saying they'd just nuke whatever land they'd be given if Nuefag got his way and their lorefag would even write something to explain it.

>>18908897
I think we can, just don't involve disputed generals like infinity and who

>>18908897
The ideal scenario now is cool down overnight, hopefully get Nuefag back, spend a thread ironing out the final details of their island on the east coast (or three threads if kronies keep bitching), then have a topical thread with the topic in the subject and goal lines where we invite everyone to discuss a certain aspect of their nation

>>18909022
Infinity was just multiple self inflected wounds and a classic lesson that one individual cannot control a thread.
/who/ will just go to war when this starts.