/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

LORE SCRAPS (NEED EXPANDING):
Micomet/Pekomiko: >>16981948
/vtsings/: >>16982525
/.../: >>16982630
/voms/: >>16982692
/become/: >>16983583
/ringo/: >>16983646
/vshojo/: >>16984833
/towa/: >>16984836
Luknights: >>16998218
/yeah/: >>17178895
/nasa/: >>17705860 >>18139486
risu: >>17769431
rushia: >>17773117 >>18221894 >>18242592
watson: >>17083071
fetish lands: >>17201798 >>17225384
/asp/: >>17205063
/hag/, /uoh/: >>17217315
Resources: >>17044886

The land that was: >>17655643
Nuetralfag Doc: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iO5tK2PPSZjFTEE8fbIS8S6bE7af1F6zCGhMZU4oRkE/edit?usp=sharing

Lore proposals
>>17154357
>>17217671
>>17218134
>>17436688
>>17599615
>>17654314

Invitation Letter: >>17767181

Updates
>/infinity/ finally created their island and cleared objections against it.

>/svt/ wants to create a sea faring nation
>>18695373
>>18696693

>Divegrass map was made
>>18637561

>>18754079
And someone mentioned vsj stuff missing, but I didn't see it.

>>18754079
Also /meat/ had some stuff in the last thread.

Reposting the Hoshiyomia lore so I can rewrite some things when I'm back at the PC and I don't have to search for it all the time

>Single solitary island nation with a massive mountain and lighthouse, with a meteorite at the top
>Lighthouse only shines when the comet appears marks her trail across the night sky, shining a stream of light into it
>Travelers are drawn to its allure, enthralled by the light from yonder over the horizon. Some even departing from their travels to pay tribute to it before leaving once more
>During times of darkness, when the stream of light has long since gone and the comet has yet to be seen, certain individuals can pop out and instigate conflict, whether willingly or not
>The nation's security is heavy-handed, yet only appears sparingly, when those with malicious intent who seek to lift the veil appear. The conflicts might get heated, but they are short-lived, often ending once the day turns over
>Many researchers have built observatories with which to observe the skies and find patterns to predict when and where the comet will appear, but so far only the heavens themselves know.
>Its inhabitants, the Hoshiyomi, stay for many reasons, some to watch from afar, some to discuss the comet's peculiarities, and some even crave the light's beauty for their own. However, the comet itself is far away and only shines its light when it suddenly appears.
>As such, the hoshiyomi can only voice their wish and hope that the heavens grant them their favor

Something an anon wrote about the Suisei general in our thread. I would add that it would be a naval nation and that the thread always stays afloat no matter the rising tides of other threads coming and going. As such, it's one of the oldest nations.
Now I would need an island or bay with mountains for the theme. The island thing is optional but it would greatly help with the isolationism the nation has. I don't know if there's an island with mountains in the hololive side or wherever the Suisei general ends up though. Flag soon™

>>18754333
Wasn't it mainly that their thread kept getting nuked by the mods?

>>18754481
They had the post about their government, and religion.

>>18754481
Why do the mods hate them? They actually talk about their ryona chuubas

>>18753947
Has the size of the world been decided yet? I.E. miles/km per pixel?

/nasa/ opening up trade to /rrat/. We're in pretty decent conditions to mine with the craters. We have greenhouses set up for wheat. Since we have modern farming tech we have an abundance of wheat. Currently we're working on gathering materials to rebuild infrastructure. We don't know if this alien world has petroleum. But we do have some energy production with solar and wind. Hoping to trade with /who/ to obtain animals for dairy and eggs so we can bake pastries and sweets. Though we still need to find a reliable source of sugar before we can make pastries. Maybe if we're lucky we can find some maple syrup.

>>18756928
Earth-size would be the best. That way there's no complications with gravity and weather patterns.

"Did you know that more and more pantheons are being birthed out every month?-
The Heavenly realm of the gods is overcrowding! Soon everything will collapse!-
Want to make a difference? The number of gods MUST be reduced!-
Join the Church of /meat/ today!"

>whole seafaring world has to deal with pirates, cannibal kidnappers, slaving, pillaging
Where my /NorthHoloSea/ brothers at
Just look at it puckered up tighter than the baltics up there. With eight friendly nations to trade and patrol. Only need to invest in some icebreaker tech.

Since lore submissions have been getting sporadic recently aside from the usual handful of regular contributors, how about requesting it in small, themed chunks as our next goal once the final map wrinkles are ironed out?
Like, try to get everyone spending a whole thread talking just about trade, or religion, or technology, etc., so everyone can temporarily be on the same page and throw ideas around while our nations steadily grow more detailed/developed?

>>18758829
/meat/ being the 'necessary evil deicide' cult is not something I'd expect. Makes sense from a worldbuilding perspective tho. Corpo chuubas will bring about the death of vtubing and killing off gods is the only way to stall it

>>18759369
I like the idea but >we would have to choose a theme before the thread dies so the next thread can be called "(...)Edition"

Assume theoretically a stargate portal to Holoearth/dimension of the chuuba gods managed to be built
Which nation do you think should control it?

>>18753947
anon this is like the third time now you're using an anti bait post as "vshojo lore scraps"
you're doing it on purpose at this point

>>18760300
We havent updated the op since day one
Yeah. We needed a revision

>>18760347
nuetralfag lied (>>18421033), people died...

>>18760300
Post it yourself to be added, we aren't here to baby you.

>>18760432
If he made the OP
He didnt lied since he wasnt

>>18760432
Nuetralfag is wasn't really active last thread though. I didn't expect him to make the new thread

>>18760557
he means the existing masterpost has information they don't want in it that needs to be deleted

If its not too op then /nasa/ should have food preserving tech that keeps food edible for years. They used to live in space where they have to rely on indoor gardens and preserved rations to eat. /nasa/ should still have some tech in the station to preserve food with the usual dehydration and freeze-dry techniques. Not sure how useful preserved space food would be for long sea voyages.

>>18762621
>canned food
problem solved without more of /nasa/'s tech having to be conserved

>>18762898
So it looks like there's no point in preserving any of /nasa/'s tech then outside of rockets, jet engines, and satellites.

>>18763182
they don't have the workforce and material needed to re-create their highly advance tech or pish forth an industrial revolution, so they do their best to mantain what they've got so it doesn't degrade further

>>18759369
For better or worse /infinity/ is giving attention to this again now that their island was officially established. God knows what they'll create.

>>18763564
Knowing them, futa fanfiction.

Bump

This anon >>18640633 in /vsj+/ made a new football logo for the football team which was supposed to be a more up-to-date version based on my flag >>18199136 Sadly almost everyone shat on him because well. It looked like shit as a football emblem. But i liked the design so i decided to repurpose it as a coat of arms flag. So i introduce Nyanwaffe

>>18767609
this looks like hot garbage, fuck off

>>18767609
Still looks like shit

>>18767609
Why fuchsia and not a softer color?

>>18768350
Something like this?

>>18768695
I was thinking of a pastel pink tb.h

>>18769252
This?

>>18769429
Softer. The pink still contrasts too much

>>18769636
O-Ok Nya~ if you say so goshujin-sama <3

>>18769636
H-here you go goshujin-sama

>>18769930
The pink is much better but now the blue contrasts

>>18770138
Isn't that a good thing though because they are supposed to be like two different layers. The blue is the background and the other stuff is the symbol

>>18770199
Maybe it's because I really like soft colors. It's probably good

>>18763369
Let's try a different approach. Rather than think of what /nasa/ could make. Let's figure out what /nasa/ has made so far. They've only been on the planet for as long as Sana's been a vTuber; about 6 months. That's just enough time to plow the lands in preparation for a summer harvest. There are some facilities like watchtowers, blacksmith, scrap yard, and mines, but no factories nor workships. If power tools exist then they can only be used near the station during a clear sunny day via solar. By now many rations and preserved food has been eaten; at least food that could have been saved. So /nasa/ needs to turn to hunting and gathering to make it until the summer harvest. Outside of space station scrap they have nothing to trade with. They do have some modern firearms for defense. However once ammo is exhausted then there's no way to make more. So /nasa/ will need to hand make guns and ammo, bows and arrows, or start practicing melee combat.

Despite having some technology /nasa/ is very poor in tradeable resources. Which means they're ripe for conquest once fuel and ammo runs out. They already have problems with Mozzies (antis) in their own ranks stealing resources after losing faith in Sana and turning against /nasa/. So its a life or death situation. Good news is that there are some nations like /rrat/ and /who/ willing to help /nasa/ grow. And in return /nasa/ will have to provide these nations with resources when they can.

>>18767609
Dont listen to them, keep doing what you doing.
Your posts will never be not funny to me.

>>18772304
Continuing. There is now a problem with the prime directive. /nasa/ has blueprints for up to space age tech but are forbidden to share it. These blueprints can be valueable trade resources. However sharing blueprints too soon will lead to a Prometheus problem of the world evolving too quickly leading to its destruction via pollution or weapons of mass destruction. Share weapons with people then eventually those people will take over you. Perhaps the next best thing /nasa/ can do is create a map of the stars. But this has already been done before so no-one cares. Sad we're starting to sound like Sana not streaming artwork.

>>18772304
Idk if time is the same on this world. 6 months might not be accurate in the long term, but it doesn’t matter since we can make lore for the past, present, or future.

>>18773485
It works for /nasa/ because we're both a relatively new general and "invaders".

>>18772748
Reminds me of "Hard To Be A God", which is one of my favorite novels.
Basically a team of scientist in the scifi age crashed down on an aliens planet that is earthlike but in the middle ages. They then have to deal with using their knowledge and tech to help people or let events play out as they should. Both decisions consequences. Good read, highly recommend

>>18775667
Difference is /nasa/ just wants to watch Sana streams and not get into any politics or drama. Sadly drama will be inevitable because Mozzies keep spreading anti-Sana propaganda. /nasa/ will just have to learn to do as in Rome. Shame /nasa/ doesn't have anything to trade with except bread and maybe pastries if they can get syrup or honey.

>>18777485
/nasa/ could probably use their gastronomic knowledge to create the best bread in the world, that could potentially become their economic center

I just learned about this general. I am absolutely shocked this is a regular thread. I thought the map was a MineCraft thing.
What is your ultimate goal with the worldbuilding?

>>18777858
Cannot bake bread until the wheat grows first. We will also have to build the windmills to grind wheat into flour. Plus we will need to cultivate yeast and sugar, either syrup or honey, to create fluffy bread. For pastries we need butter from milk. Which we have yet to secure. /who/ has offered to trade some livestock and potatoes. However we need materials to trade with /who/ first. Same with trading with /rrat/ for gemstones. Diamonds would be useful in making some tools. We'll also need glass and silicon later. But for now growing wheat can be a useful trade commodity.

>>18778294
the minecraft world is only applicable to minecraft, more or less. this world and it's lore can be used in any medium people want. it allows for more creativity and autism than the minecraft one, and we can have multiple scenarios or timelines if we decide to have it.

/meat/ has a shit ton of cacao for export
If you want to make chocolates we have them
Dont worry. It's just cocoa, nothing else.

>>18778738
we also sell exotic meats, if you're intersted in trying them

>>18778294
Loreposting

>>18778738
Sure. What did you used for fertilizer?

>>18779044
Classified

>>18779044
you do realize the majority of fertilizer used in real life is shit, right? like, actual shit from an animal, and sometimes even human sewage. the fertilizer doesn't matter, it's the nutrients and what bacteria is helps grow that matters. /meat/ guarantees our cocao is the highest quality even if our loli chuuba uses them in strange ways sometimes...

>>18779616
if IRL people don't mind making coffee out of civet shit, I'm sure we can do someting similar with cocoa

Wandering /yeah/ trader passing through, want some high quality Kosaka Furs? Some Heavenly Alouette Feathers? Some fish, perhaps?

>>18778738
i love dentata's homemade chocolate

Is the world currency treasures like gold and genstones?

>>18782899
gold coins probably. good for inflation and what not.

>>18784747
/nasa/ could rework some scrapped chips into coins possibly. Though moon rocks would probably be a better commodity. Probably share moon rocks with /moon/. If the crash didn't happen then /nasa/ could go asteroid hunting.

>>18784747
a world currency is unlikely, there's always many currencies when no state of hegemony exists

>>18785157
ya but gold has been a common currency for centuries for a reason.

>>18785157
We're in the age of exploration at least. So there's the use of gold and silver pieces to barter with. Of course other bartering options for goods exist. Trading surpluses of wheat for potatoes is an easy example. Raw crop for raw crop. Bread could be sold for copper because that's a refined good. Same with sugar and spices selling for gold coins around the world. There would also be many different styles of coins with different values. /nasa/ coins with Yatagarasu printed on them are worth differently to /who/ coins with a different pattern.

Also gold inflation can happen. Look at Japan. Counterfeit gold couns wound up being more valueable than imperial gold coins.

>>18785695
If we're to be pedantic, silver is more common as a medium of exchange because gold is too expensive for anyone but rich people and rulers. (even then it wasn't uncommon that multiple metals are used as currency) It's only until banknotes became common that gold standards became standard.
Personally, given the disparity of tech and economy between regions, I don't think we'll really have a world currency beyond bantering with commonly valuable material.

>>18785832
gold inflation is far less common than fiat inflation, or inflation of other currencies. depending on the costs of remodeling, it might be profitable to take gold coins from one group and turn them into gold coins of another. of course, that presents the risk of deflating one currency, meaning over time all gold coins should tend twards the same value.

>>18786116
why would gold be too expensive if it is a currency? it's not like it has inherent value or anything. if i had to guess, people didn't have money in the past because they weren't allowed to own anything at all, pretty much.

>>18786353
Gold can also be melted down and made into jewelry. Or in /nasa/'s case computer chips someday.

>>18786353
It's partially tied to availability, and gold was/is pretty rare, so that resulted in gold currency having too much purchasing power for everyday use. Of course, we can always assume this world has much more gold around than IRL to mitigate that issue if people really want to use gold coins.
Part of me feels that if we're going to have a global currency, it should be something more related to vtubers, but most answers to that seem to be more like what only /#/ would care.

>>18786966
I'm just used to gold pieces being currency in RPGs. We can always have another item be currency.

Hmm, looking at this and the previous thread it looks like this was a bad time to be busy for a few days.
I guess it's a bit too late, but for the record I'm not much of a fan of adding new landmass to the world beyond copying and pasting small islands.
Looks like it's a bit too late though.
Anyway, I added the climate map as a layer so that I can overlay it with the borders and stuff so it's easy to see which nation has which climate.

>>18787747
they did end up going through a lot of effort to make the new island. and we did agree to let them have the island before we were finished with the map. the fact that they took this long is a problem in my mind, and if not for the reasons listed here it would definately be unfair to let them get an island while others don't, but i think it might warrant an exception given the fact that they asked for it before the map was finalized. i was the guy who suggested we wait for you, btw. hope i didn't put too much pressure on you. i know being the mediator of an entire thread isn't easy, but please know that regardless of your decision we all appreciate your effort thus far

>>18788624
I feel pretty conflicted since I can tell they put a lot of effort into the island, but on the other hand it feels unfair for the other threads who didn't get the island(s) they wanted. Also the design being inconsistent with the rest of the map really bothers my sense of aesthetics, along with the positioning having little thematic sensibility.

Anyway, thanks for the appreciation, it does help motivate me, perhaps even more than my map autism.

>>18789604
i think they moddified it last thread so it looked less out of place, and they made it smaller, too. if they made a few more moddifications, do you think you would be more willing to let them keep it, or is the principle of not letting people make their own islands too pressing of a concern? you can make a decision after some time if you want, but giving us a concrete idea of where you are in terms of your decision could help avoid any more conflicts.

>>18789966
moddification in question being this >>18698280

>>18789604
I'd say give them the island. There is no need to clump the same gen as seen in the different positions of gen1. Afterall that island is the end product of /inf/ amidst the constant turmoil of their nation.

What's going to happen when new gens debut?

>>18792031
don't worry about it

>>18792031
We welcome new friends? But keep the women to ourselves.

>>18792751
New threads will arise though. There's no more room in the map

>>18793588
Just as there is a finite amount of land on the map, there is a finite amount of space in the catalog. As new generals are formed, other splits will end up having to combine to survive, as we’ve already seen happen. In other words, we’ll cross that bridge when we get there.

>>18789604
so, the problem of everyone wanting an island is one that has already created some problems for us. what's your opinion of the concept of sea steading? in the same way that embassies solve the problem of people wanting to border eachother despite having finite border space, seasteading can solve the problem of wanting an island despite finite islands on the map. it also potentially solves the problem >>18792031 brought up, if it doesn't solve itself (if /vt/ became more popular/crowded, for example.)

>>18787747
I don't know what the hell this thread is about or what the rules are, but nijimale being a savanna seems comfy.
Everyone lives in their clay abodes, and travels to each other to see what everyone else's oshi is doing. It always felt like most other anons only follow a handful of males so I learn info from those who I don't watch but post updates.

>>18790169
I'm also in favor of giving them the island because they did listen to the feedback, especially shrinking the island, and it was promised to them. I'm also worried it would have a chilling effect against future participation because people would see all of /infinity/'s work being rejected and not wanting to get involved if that happens to them.

>>18789604
>I feel pretty conflicted since I can tell they put a lot of effort into the island, but on the other hand it feels unfair for the other threads who didn't get the island(s) they wanted.
Saying it in the nicest way possible, maybe the other threads should've been that level of autistic / put in that much effort if they wanted their own islands. The wya I see it, /meat/ and /infinity/ should get their respective islands

>>18787747
>>18789604
Basically as >>18789966 >>18790085 >>18790169 and >>18795562 said, they put in a lot more effort than most threads, listened to feedback, modified their island, AND that space was promised to them a long time ago. I think they should have the island.

>>18796563
Adding to this, they placed the island right where the ocean currents meet, so it wouldn't disrupt the world climate and one of them made a lore post explaining where the island came from.
>>18672874

>>18797051
Is it as retarded as Chrono Cross's time crash where they also pulled a city of sentient dinosaurs with them?

>>18797051
that particular lore idea is dogshit, if the island IS going to be implemented, it should be just naturally formed

>>18797217
Don't shoot the messenger, also the anon who wrote it did say it was a half assed idea.

>>18797269
And I was looking forward to dinosaur monster girl girlfriends. Do we have a dinosaur vTuber?

>>18797051
>>18796563
>>18795562
>>18790169
>>18790085
>>18698280
>>18789966
Chiming in >>18796430 hits it on the nose. A lot people just asked to have an island, they didn't take the extra step of actually creating one themselves. The fact /inf/ was willing to compromise on their original submission, especially reducing the size of their island, shows they're were taking this seriously even if they were late.

>>18797665
i'd say the biggest factor is that they asked before finalization. if people come in with some donut steel island to copypaste onto all the other maps it makes things bad. we should be very careful about it, but the fact that they asked BEFORE finalization is what makes me think they deserve it.

>>18797832
This, it's also the solution to the potential problem of everyone asking for an island and then pointing to /infinity/, they asked for one and staked out territory early on.

>>18797832
My only complaint is that they're far away from the other council generals, since they are the main "international relationships" they hold.
Something like pic related works better in my opinion, but i've no idea if they'd actually like it, it does help how it was one of their proposed placements in their original "island donut steal" post

>>18798204
it might effect the climate, and i honestly don't care where they decide to go as long as they are in holo territory. embassies helps if you want groups to interact with eachother without worrying about positioning.

>>18798204
If you could edit the island to that location, you could probably suggest it to infinity themselves to see if they like it.

>>18798204
>>18798327
it would definitely mess with the climate putting a landmass there that that's size and it would be a dick move to shrink it further given they were against shrinking the island once since they wanted to be as large as /ggg/, but were willing to do it anyway.

>>18798360
>>18798473
10000 hours in paint, the island is already small enough so it fits somewhat nicely.

>>18798521
Honestly doesn't look bad! I worry about the climate being disrupted now that others mentioned it though. Let's see what others think

>>18798521 (me)
i hope it doesn't mess with currents and climate too much, but i'm unsure on how it works.

>>18798521
>>18798649
>>18798715
That would definable mess with the ocean currents and shrinking their island further would be a dick given they were already willing to do it once and this was after the guy made it fought the idea tooth and nail because he wanted the island to be as big as /ggg/.

>>18798743
then i would probably prefer the way /infinity/ suggested. one major problem of simply adding islands is their effect on global climates, so if their option changes things minimally, i would rather stick with that.

>>18758333
>Earth-size
In the lore the initial inhabitants of this continent came from /jp/land, so if this planet was Earth-sized, this would not be the full world

>>18798204
>My only complaint is that they're far away from the other council generals
Outside of a few posters from the other generals coming to /∞/, they have almost zero interaction with them. So there isn't a reason for /∞/ to be neighbors. There's also the suggestion of giving them embassies as well. >>18795179

>>18798883
this is definately the full world. keep in mind we have realms, too.

>>18798901
This. As was mentioned in the previous thread, world is based on /vt/, not vtubing as a whole.
And looking at the hread when /infinity/ was asked for feedback when the original island was posted. The top request was to be more isolated and away from the mainland.

I know Sana and Kronii are pretty fun together. But I don't know how /nasa/ and /infinity/ would get along.

>>18798901
This. As was mentioned in the previous thread, the world is based on /vt/, not vtubing as a whole.
And looking at /infinity/'s thread when they were asked for feedback after the original island was posted. The top request was to be more isolated and away from the mainland.

>>18799238
Infinity wants to fuck Nasa's oshi. Specifically casual friend sex while Kronii watches in the corner.

>>18799313
Thought the would bukkake while Sana and Kronii scissors.

>>18790085
Don't forget to compare it to what they originally submitted to show the effort they put in.
Going from this.
>>18396596
To this.
>>18698280

>>18790085
Don't forget to compare it to what they originally submitted to show the effort they put in.
Going from this.
>>18568769
To this.
>>18698280

>>18799564
>>18799600
Am i seeing double

>>18799600
And that's not including the even older one from https://rentry.org/28ccs.. And this is just the map we're talking about, we're not talking about the indepth lore they all worked on together.

>>18799740
Messed up the first link.

>>18799742
Didn't the anon who made this show up and back the new island too?

>>18800085
Mhm, he did.

If /who/ is still around then what would we need to trade for livestock? Also we would have to breed thick-furred cattle to survive the winters because Skyrim.

Should I put together a pro and con list for adding the infinity island, or is everyone in agreement for what should be done?

>>18801130
if nuefag wants it, maybe.

>>18801130
Sakuran is for it, they did ask for it early in the map creation and made the requested changes, though only updating this late in the map finalisation was a dick move.
However, I'm against the surrounding nations just cannibalising infity's territories, as I'd feel it would be unfair for the rest of us, though it may be bothersome to move everything again.
If we do end up shuffling the map again a bit, maybe Sakuran can finally be moved next to /doog/; yes nuefag I'm still on that, no I'm not giving it up

To be honest, I don't see why nuefag is against adding the island. Infinity was a unique sitution where they were promised the space and they were autistic enough to put the work in instead of just asking /vtwbg/ to do it. And it's new land so they aren't causing the boarders of an entire continent to be reshuffled.

>>18801576
What keeps you from attacking neighboring countries and taking territory?

>>18801728
Generally friendly relations with the nations surrounding both us and /doog/, also the fact we're literally half a continent away

>>18801843
I mean your complaint about infinity's former territory being cannibalized. What stops you from just invading any country?

>>18801728
>>18801843
Rereading this, guessing you meant how it's unfair for the surrounding nations to get infinitys' land? Because they start with mor eland and thus resources, obviously. It's free wood and metals from their area, they're pretty valuable

>>18801702
Probably doesn't want to deal with people saying he's giving them special treatment. But personally the Kronies put in extra effort so I think the deserve it.

>>18801702
you lack foresight, then. islands are too popular and simplistic of a choice, our map will be radically changed if everyone who wwanted their own island got one. he is conflicted because he knows this decision is important for how these situations will be dealt with in the future, and that it must be handled with care. to be honest, it wouldn't be as much of a problem if it weren't specifically due to the fact that it is new land, and having the borders of a continent reshuffled would be easier because 1) it wouldn't be the entire continent, no matter how you restructure it, and 2) embassies allow for similar groups to interact with each other, the need to border everyone associated with you is dumb, america and england don't need to be on the same continent to be associated, why would you need to be in the same general region? you should think a bit further ahead if you can't see why it would matter.

>>18802040
>if everyone who wwanted their own island got one.
But infinity actually made their own island design and made lore for it and talking amongst themselves before submitting it. That's a lot more than other generals have done, saying they want an island and leaving it at that.

>>18801130
Something to consider regardless of the general opinion is to maybe „smooth“ the infinity island coast to fit the rest of the map aesthetic

>>18787747
Is it possible to get a copy of this map but centred on the other hemisphere (i.e. with the Niji continent and corpos/indies near the centre)?

I'm wondering what happens if the island is rejected. Will the threads get shitposted to death?

>>18802096
that's besides the issue. the problem isn't that they wouldn't put effort into it, it's that they could radically change the structure of the map simply by making some blot of color and calling it their own special island. it shouldn't matter once the map has been finalized whether or not they put in effort because everyone else suddenly has to change their maps too inorder to be on the same page. if the climate is different, if trading routes are obstructed, if proximity to different regions would change how they operated, if anything changed at all for anyone then the ramifications of that would be felt by everyone.

I'm guessing this is the problem of deadlines. /infinity/ was just too slow to finalize the island before the map was completed. Therefore they are stuck with the land they have. So they should deal with it.

>>18802245
Either they boycott us or run a scored earth campaign against all their neighbors until they take over everything or get wiped out. And if neutralfag steps in to stop it, they'll use it as proof that the game is rigged and not worth playing.
Either way, we're going to lose some talented content creators based on the lore and map they've made.

>>18802349
i'm hoping they will be understanding of this. it's not like we don't appreciate them for their contributions, it's just that there are problems with adding an entire island at this stage. personally, i am in favor solely due to the fact that they asked before finalization, but that decision shouldn't be made lightly, and ultimately, it should be nuefag's choice if he want's to step in the shit, so to speak. i really do hope everything goes well for them, as they have a lot of really good creators that we could definately benifit from in the future.

>>18802250
>simply by making some blot of color and calling it their own special island
They didn't make the blot. It was given to them by one of the map makers and they worked with it.
>>18802342
In that case the three islands was used before it was finalized. See https://rentry.org/28ccs

>>18802527
We'd be shooting ourselves in the foot rejecting them given we hemorrhaged some groups already after the zoning shitstorm.

>>18802349
It really depends on deadlines. /nasa/ wasn't paying attention. So we're fucking stuck in the tundra rationing our food and water. We can grow some wheat in the summer but we're screwed on crops until we build greenhouses. Also there's very little rain. So we have to negotiate water rights from /rrat/. Perhaps the best thing we can do is repurpose our space suits into insulated mining suits and start digging for minerals.

>>18802562
either way, we are met with potential problems. nuefag needs to decide which one he is most prepared to handle.

Infinity's territory was given to us by the mapanons. I don't know which one. But I worked with that and used 3 small as in pic related, in the space given to us, northeast of the Hololive continent. I later endorsed a different map design that was later further refined after feedback from more mapanons.

If you absolutely can't squeeze the new island design past the deadline, at least give us the three isands

>>18802626
i think that's a perfectly fair proposal. it was in so many of the maps before, it only makes sense that if the reason for removing them is lost, we would add them back in.

>>18802672
>>18802626
That said I'd still prefer the new island design as that was what most of our thread agreed upon. Thank you.

If /infinity/ claimed the island before the map was finalized then perhaps we can work it in. However this means crunch restructuring the climate around the mass. They better damn well be prepared to aid with the climate crunch or else no deal. In my opinion.

Are there any other island claims before the map deadline to sort out?

>>18802760
I should clarify. We need to figure out how much work it will take to put the island in and how it restructures the entire climate before making any decisions.

>>18802760
pretty sure they already checked, and said the climate wouldn't be effected too much. as for other island claims, /pyon/'s patron chuuba, kiki herself, asked for an island of her own away from /yah/ but that was after what we all seemed to think was the finalization point.

>>18802040
>>18802250
>>18802349
Playing devil's advocate then.
/inf/ requested their island space extremely early on and it was listed on one of the first maps that marked territorial claims. Furthermore, they put in the effort of making their own territory and listening to feedback rather than just demand everyone else do the work for them. This makes them an exception to the rule rather than something everyone can cite as precedent if they want their own island.

It wouldn't radically change the map because they took into account the climate system with their placement of the island. Meaning the ocean current and weather systems wouldn't be affected. As for trading, there's still a major distance between Hololive territory and the small corpo and Indies. Either they can use /inf/ as a waypoint, making it easier for less advanced countries to cross the ocean, or bypass /inf/.

You could claim there was a deadline they missed but that was more nuefag just acting unilaterally to get things moving. /inf/ could easily argue that they should have been given a deadline or have someone post in their general to submit the island. /nasa/ got screwed over by this similar this lack of communication >>18802590. But the major difference is /nasa/ didn't stake out territory already. /inf/ did. You can also make the argument that the extra work required to fix the map is on nuefag acting unilaterally and just dolling out territory.

We should also look at this from reducing potential shitposting. A good majority of people here are fine with giving /inf/ their island because of the unique circumstances. But even with that, it can still be veoted by a single person. If this happens, wouldn't it just give ammo to claim that anything a group does is meaningless since nuefag can just ignore the general consensus of thread and do what he wants? I know >>18802349 is being morbid, but it does bring up a good point that people could be turned away from helping because they don't want their work thrown out by a single tripfag even if a vast majority of people like their work and want it in.

>>18802760
Either by retarded luck or forward thinking, they placed their island in the middle of the ocean and wind currents so it would have minimal impact on the current ocean currents and climates.
>>18753947 their island.
>>18798743 Ocean and wind currents.

>>18802862
So we're dealing with two islands: one claimed before deadline and one after. Kiki's SOL because she missed claiming before the deadline. If /infinity/ has their island ready then they need to figure out how climate and current is going to be affected exactly and soon. Possibly within 24 hours. Otherwise they're too slow and are SOL with their territory.

>>18803050
See
>>18803021

>>18802898
democrasy is shit, and nuefag is relatively neutral. he's in it for the map autism more than anything. i'm sure he'll take our considerations into account, but the whole point of letting him be the arbitor here is that he is neutral.

>>18803050
as i clarified, they already did.

>>18802898
/nasa/ is used to being in cold space. They'll be fine. We're just screwed on agriculture and have to prioritize repairing the greenhouses in the station.

Tourist here, is it too late to add loreposts for splits that didn't respond to the initial invitation?

>>18803103
>democracy is shit
Only when you can't reach a consensus, just about everyone here understands that /inf/'s circumstances are unique and they put the work in, even if it was late. It creates a slippery slope of if nuefag rejects this, what's going to stop him from just imposing his will on everything else?

>>18803083
>>18803103
Then we just have to wait for judgement if the work is already done. What about trade routes? How will that be affected?

>>18803274
Which split, and is it on the map?

>>18803274
Well you have to make do and adapt around the land you got

>>18803296
/inf/'s location actually helps facilitate trade between smaller nations that can't make the entire oceanic journey on their own. While, larger countries with ships capable of trans ocean journeys can choose to just bypass /inf/. This fits into /inf/'s lore that they get a lot of tourists posting in their general. This could be repurposed as the various traders that come to their island to resupply or trade goods.

>>18803310
>>18803317
Pekora split and yeah that's fine. I think our land suits us well already.

>>18803430
So we wait for judgement. I'm waiting to see if there's lore for a "time crash" where /infinity/ has to also pull mass from an alternate timeline resulting in dinosaurs walking the land.

>>18803281
democrasy is always shit, especially when the consensus is made by an ignorant majority. when people realize they can just vote themselves more shit they slowly turn democrasy into a shithole. with autocracy you can still challenge the autocrat every now and then, but for the most part you'll have a clear direction to take things. nuefag gives us a way to solve conflict if it is necessary, his power is only legitimate because we are wise enough to let it be decided by him, if everyone disagrees with him so strongly that they refuse his verdict, he has no power to control the creation of content beyond his own. it's just so much easier if we all agree to let him arbitrate these kinds of issues.

While we wait for Neufag, let's take it to a poal. Please take into account everything >>18802898 said.

http://poal.me/6a5abm
http://poal.me/6a5abm
http://poal.me/6a5abm

>>18803542
Democracy only doesn't work when the public is not informed, which tends to happen more often than not due to active misinformation campaigns. In this specific sitution, people are fully aware of what has happened and don't want to look like they're going back on their word or reward hard work.
Putting all your eggs in one basket will just turn people off from participating because it means general consensus is meaningless. Also, the black and white solution of having people ignore or rebel against nuefag does more harm than good as well since the whole point of this project is to get more people involved.

>>18803773
we can agree to disagree on this, since this is off topic to an extent, but the fact that people have different, genuinely held opinions on anything is all the proof i need to show that what you said about "active misinformation" is absolute bullshit. if you wanted a genuine argument, you should have said that the smaller community makes it easier to come to a compromise, but being on 4chan, with anonymous autists who don't feel the need to associate with eachother, actually weakens that argument. the fact that it is valid at all means it's still a better argument, but whatever. these kinds of politics will never get solved, and if we wanted to talk about it, /pol/ would obviously be too biased in my favor to have a fair disagreement.

I ran /nasa/'s starting scenario to the thread. Just have to wait for feedback if the thread stays alive long enough.

While we wait for Neufag, let's take it to a poal. Please take into account everything >>18802898 said.

http://poal.me/4xkb9m
http://poal.me/4xkb9m
http://poal.me/4xkb9m

I was the one who proposed our current lore and our old three islands. I'd like if we could squeeze in the new island design instead since the territory is unchanged, the climate is unaffected, and the new island guy listened to feedback to make us stand out less. Thank you.
/infinity/ need not apply, don't flood this poll please.

>>18803773
>>18804131 (me)
also, it would only turn people off if general consensus mattered to them, just like not seeing enough niggers in an action movie will turn off white women because they pretend to care about diversity for twitter points. expecting nuefag to arbitrate isn't putting our eggs in one basket, putting all your eggs in one basket is bad because if something bad happens to the basket, you might lose all the eggs, what happens if something goes wrong with nuefag? we pick something else. how does rebelling or ignoring nuefag prevent people from getting involved?

>>18804212
i'm lost in the conversation, where would the poll's island be?

>>18804258

>>18802626 original
>>18798204 new island (ignore the drawing, nobody seems to prefer his idea)
or just force them to keep the mainland, no island at all.

>>18804299
but what happened to the big island?

>>18804328
>>18804299
Just use this map for the proposed island.
>>18753947

>>18804354
i liked it when the island was like the image in the OP since it didn't disrupt the climate

>>18804456
Literally everyone without a hateboner for Kronies agrees on that. Well, everyone but neutralfag. Makes me wonder how neutral he is.

>>18804512
but didn't nuetralfag say that he liked the current position on the map?

>>18804542
oh no, i see now >>18787747

>>18804542
He still hasn't given the Kronies what they want despite that. Something about setting a precedent. The only precedent I see this setting is maybe other generals will see putting in that much effort and listening to feedback here will give them what they want

>>18804618
there's nothing to discuss right now then, we have to wait until he comes back

This is the area that's being disputed. and just to bring people up to date.

>The territory was already promised to /∞/ early on.
>The deadline was made unilaterally and /∞/ wasn't given a warning about it.
>/∞/ put actual work in and even integrated criticisms made against their original submission.
>The island doesn't disrupt the current climate or ocean currents.
>The island could be used to help facilitate trade between smaller countries between Hololive and the Indies.
>It fits into /∞/'s lore and how other splits interact with it because /∞/ posters rarely travel outside their split, but posters from other splites come to /∞/ often.
>As a bonus the water currents will create the warm/cold climates that /∞/ was arguing about early on, so they could have both the arctic and temperate areas.

>>18804512
if there was an option to say i was concerned about the possibility of problems, but that i would still support giving them the island, i would have picked it. i guess it is true that active misinformation is also a factor in the perversion of democrasy, since you are clearly trying to start shit without a basic understanding of anything. nobody has a hateboner for the kronies as someone who supports them, fuck that one pretensious asshole who kept trying to >imply the only people who were against changing the entire map after finalization was one person, he makes the rest of them look bad by comparrison, which might be the intention according to that one anon nuefag is trying his best to figure out a solution that will be good for everyone, and jackasses like you keep trying to poison the well, making it harder for him.

>>18804697
He's not wrong, given /ininty/ does have a dedicated schizo who's only around to stir up shit and turn /vt/ against /infinty/. So they're rightfully on edge, especially when a vast majority of /vtwbg/ is in favor of the island, the counter arguments against it have been rebutted and it still might get rejected.

This thread just proves that Kronies deserve rape correction

>>18804854
But that's what they want.

>>18804691
To add: the most consistently good lore come from /meat/, then /infinity/. They've even formed an alliance. Denying Kronies with all the things you mentioned in mind will definitely turn most if not all of them off from further contributing, and might also turn off other splits from contributing as they'll see making contributions and trying to listen to feedback still won't help them.

>>18804854
/uoh/ would like to have a word with you.

>>18804854
>>18804874
are you big enough to satisfy me tho ;3
Chu ~

>>18804918
Go back, sekkusu

>>18804875
Also antis and shitposters will just use it as ammo to use against us since all they have to do is say. 'look what happened to /inf/' when anyone tries to submit something in the future.

go larp to another place

Of course /infinity/ would gay this place up

>>18804786
nuefag isn't the schizo, if anything i suspect the guy whose trying to derail this thread to give /infinity/ an island just the one that's being a pretensious asshole, not the others is the schizo, and making everyone think nuefag has a "hateboner" against anyone wont solve anything. i'll agree, the arguments in favor of having the island are convincing to me, all anyone has ever said asside from that one guy who said it was too late, not sure how much of any of this he is aware of, though was that letting people make an island in the future is bad, so setting precedent that you can, even if you do the work, is a slippery slope that could lead to way worse outcomes, and way worse autism than we can reasonably deal with. i agree with letting the island stay, but nuefag should ultimately be the one to decide, because having an arbitrator is better than having a free for all. that's at least how i see it.

>>18804929
antis and shitposters will do that regardless. stop pretending they wont start trying to drain the sea with islands all over the place if we come to the decision that merely making an island is enough to warrant it's acceptance into the larger map canon.

here's an idea ~
each one of you take turns fucking my tight boypussy ;3
First to cum lots loses hihi
If i win we'll keep the island desu

>>18805077
It's peak idiocy to say that just because they exist, it doesn't matter if you give them actual grievances they can exploit.

>>18805020
We literally had two or three anons last thread taking about how much they hate Kronies and then more than a few bitching about us having our rightful clay.

>>18805079
Nigger what

>>18805079
Out of all Kronies only Sekkusu is this gay. And he doesn't type like that. I declare thee falseflagger.

>>18805131
wasn't that only one schizo?

>>18805154
You do know there are more than one horny kronie right?

>>18805107
are you incapable of reading? the whole point of that comment was to say that you will give them actual grievances they can exploit either way. we already have people complaining about the island now.

>>18805131
name them. i was there and i didn't see any anti-kronies. granted, i may have forgotten since antis are typically uninspired losers who just put out some vapid sentiment and leave it at that. disagreeing with you isn't the same as hating you.

>>18805171
They don't type with :3 though. I know all the gayronies. Intimately.

>>18805189
And those complaints are easily addressed, they already were.
But breaking our promises and treating one person as god will be a lot harder to defend.

>>18805222
Please impregnate me then :3
my sperm babies want to kiss your spermbabies

>>18805236
when were you promised? how did you address the island complaint? are you the schizo who was shitting up the previous thread?

>>18805376
First. Clam done, everyone is not out to get you.
Second, refer to this. >>18802898

>>18804691
The only point I'll dispute is
>>The deadline was made unilaterally and /∞/ wasn't given a warning about it.
Infinity should've been following these threads, not our fault you were having a civil war or whatever. No one else was given a warning either, threads that were here got their say and had some influence on where they were placed, those absent were stuffed wherever there was space. Pretty sure we're talking about a time dpand of a few weeks, btw.
Also pretty sure you didn't chose the location with being a trading stopping point in mind, rather it was a merit that anons in this thread pointed out, but I didn't follow your thread discussions so I can only guess.
Other than that, I still voted for you to get the island.

>>18805189
See
>>18683665
>>18678745
Just going through the thread there's a lot of resentment to infinity despite us making the most work and being the most open-minded when trying to appeal to mapanons. Anons acting like the promised territories never counted or like we didn't work on this island to make it more agreeable

>>18805189
It isn't about having grievances to exploit. Antis and shitposters would always be there. It is about how much influence you give them that matters. Saw this played out during the zoning arc. After literally stalling to death, they just left leaving ruins and disinterest.

>>18805438
>No one else was given a warning either,
No one else was specifically promised territory.
/∞/'s sitution is unique and should be treated as a unique sitution rather than precedent that other people can cite. They've already made compromises as well for their land such as decreasing the mass, which had some vocal opposition on their side, but they still went with it to placate people here. To still get rejected even after the work they put in would be seen as the ultimate bad faith move. Much worse than adding the island or the zoning timeloop since unlike zoning, they can continue to bring it up when something is discussed 'Remember when /∞/ did that thing that everyone was fine with and it still got rejected by the tirpfag?'

>anons contribute a lot to their own lore
>promise territory to good contributors
>give them criticism for their submission; they make changes three times to be accepted
>they still get denied by a self-appointed tripfag because of a deadline no split was made aware of
Don't do this please.

>>18805427
>they put in the effort of making their own territory and listening to feedback rather than just demand everyone else do the work for them. This makes them an exception to the rule rather than something everyone can cite as precedent if they want their own island.
what should make you guys an exception is the fact that you asked before finalization. this still doesn't address the issue though. people wont care about it unless someone says definitively that the map is finalized, which requires nuefag's input. nobody on your side seems to understand, shitposters can be very dedicated, the mere fact that they put in the work shouldn't be what differentiates them, yet on and on again you keep framing it like that, and because of that you are leaving easily exploited openings that WILL cause problems for us in the future. inb4 >you just hate kronies" you guys are pretty cool again, except for that one pretensious asshole, you know who you are if you're reading this but this specific issue goes beyond you. the compromise was to let nuefag decide, he still has yet to decide. as much as anyone promised you the land, you promised to listen to him. make a compelling enough case and he will listen.

>>18805519
ya, fuck those guys then. still, i didn't register their opinions as having all that much weight. just two people who didn't like kronies.

>>18805530
again, we already have people complaining about the island now, it will have influence. that was why i added that sentiment at the end there, btw. because the fact that it has
this much influence now is indicative of how it might be later.

>>18805668
>specifically promised
you say this a lot, yet all i have seen are examples of them saying they'll consider it, or that they are open to it. surely no mention of a promise was ever had. if you show the place where someone specifically uses the word promise, this argument will be irrevelant, but otherwise you'll at least have to use a different term.

>>18805834
Trust me, Kronies know how dedicated shitposters can be. We've had three attempts to split /infinity/ despite multiple poals against it (54-4) and mods always pruning the secessionists. We know.

We also know that shitposters will also never fucking stop even if you prove them wrong again and again. Example above. So if you give Kronies their island in the territory promised to us (and yes, it was promised to us - we didn't carve it out ourselves, a mapanon literally gave it to us to work with) shitposters will go on about special treatment, even if you explain to them that we've earned it and it was promised to us. But on the flip side if you don't give Kronies what they want, shitposters will still shitpost, this time about how it'll never be worth contributing because even the mega autist writefags and mapfags from infinity got denied by a self appointed tripfag- AND it'll be a bad faith move that will kill any contributions from one of the more active fanbases in this general and will likely turn off other posters.

Shitposters will always shitpost. Don't bother working around them and focus on other reason why we should have the island or not.

>>18805834
>what should make you guys an exception is the fact that you asked before finalization.
And that's the exception, the was territory marked out and all the main criticisms were addressed.
You also don't understand that while shitposters will still shitpost, you wouldn't do things that make their job easier. Denying the island will make their job a metric ton easier to shitpost. To put this in terms you'll understand. Compare shitposting against Rushia after it was revealed she was living with a boyfriend. Are you seriously going to tell us that something like that would affect the level of shitposting?

And it was already on the territorial claim map, you had people making jokes it was the borg cube, and then get corrected that it was just the general area. If people really had a problem with island, they would have already complained about it back then.

>>18805668
>No one else was specifically promised territory.
You were promised nothing. You asked for it, thread said sure, you said you'll work on it and give a result. Weeks passed with no update, so nuefag gave you a (temporary) territory elsewhere since you'd shown no progress/communication. That said, his reasoning was for you to be closer to your gen, and that he doesn't really like giving threads islands, but, given you had a claim before, and I have my own disagreements with his placements (Sakuran here, still not over it), I'm inclined to veto him so you get your island.
>/∞/'s sitution is unique and should be treated as a unique sitution
Sure, however that doesn't mean this thread is obliged give you a warning. There was a kronie that was lurking on here for a while, as he admitted last thread, he could've easily done that himself.

>>18806028
>You were promised nothing.
The territorial map proves you wrong.

>so nuefag gave you a (temporary) territory elsewhere since you'd shown no progress/communication
>temporary
The key word there. The fact that in a few days the island was created, submitted, and the revised, MULTIPLE times to address concerns shows it was a serious attempt. To be be rejected and forced to use temporary land would be a massive bad faith move that you're defending.

>Sure, however that doesn't mean this thread is obliged give you a warning.
Actually it is up to this thread to keep everyone appraised and not assume anything. Can you prove they were lurking when neutralfag made the unilateral moves?

>>18806028
>Weeks passed with no update,
Wrong. We updated this general with the three islands and put it in the Borg cube. It was the same time we posted our lore.
>his reasoning was for you to be closer to your gen
According to him Myth nations aren't close to each other. In fact /morig/ has a separate island. Why do Council have to be close to each other and why can't infinity have their own island too?
>Sure, however that doesn't mean this thread is obliged give you a warning
Even before the deadline was announced we submitted the three islands in the territory staked out for us (Borg cube).

>>18805818
This.
To adlib a quote.
>It would be much better to have better /infinity/ inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in

>>18805818
This.
To adlib a quote.
>It would be much better to have /infinity/ inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in

>>18806129
>>18806028
>We updated this general with the three islands and put it in the Borg cube.
Forgot to add, as another anon said, there were multiple submissions with the newer island in the Borg cube before the deadline. Each got criticized and changes were made. It makes no sense to act like we made zero submissions or attempts before the deadline.

>>18806196
And the final island was altered multiple times as a result of feedback from here.

>give everyone an invite
>people from lots of splits come and contribute because of invite
>don't tell them about any deadlines
>deny their contributions because they didn't make it to the deadline
DEVILISH

>>18806228
Unironically kinda based if the whole board were trolled like that

>>18806221
And all of them were in the Borg cube. From the archipelago to the initial island design to the thrice-revised island, it was always in the Borg cube. So even if you can't go with the latest revised island, it should at least be the most recent one within the Borg cube.

>>18806105
>The territorial map proves you wrong.
Anon I was there when you were given the land (sea) to work with, the blue borg cube was funny as hell, and the initial three islands you had made, along with their lore, were interesting. My problem is that you didn't give any updates for a while and only came back when we were effectively done in a "btw here's our submission" manner, which rubbed me the wrong way
>that you're defending
Anon I'm proposing you get your island though? The main reason I'd be against this is your attitude.
>>18806105
>Can you prove they were lurking when neutralfag made the unilateral moves?
This is the only post with "lurk" in the previous thread, not that hard to find
>>18684467
>I don't know what you're deal is with us but I've been lurking and contributing to this worldbuilding for a while.

>>18806284
Not the anon you're replying to, but I'm three islands guy / lorefag. I wasn't lurking during the deadline because I assumed island guy was working on it. The last time I lurked here before last thread was when I shared a draft for our flag here. Between then and now I've been busy and I left it to island guy. He must've been busy too or whatever. Either way he bent backwards for that island and I support his concept over my own.

At the very least we already finalized our territory within the "Borg cube" with my initial submission.

>>18806284
>My problem is that you didn't give any updates for a while and only came back when we were effectively done
Previous suggestions were rejected and no one gave us a warning of any deadlines. That's entirely on the people running this thread.
As for lack of communication, the best theory I can come up with was miscommunication where three island and big island both thought the other was working on it and it was only after the temporary land given that it was clear no one was.

>The main reason I'd be against this is your attitude.
Not a good reason.

>They
That's one person claiming they were lurking, and they didn't bring attention to /∞/ so the burden is still on the people who run the game.

>>18754432
Hoshiyomia (Suisei general) updated lore/description:

>one of the oldest nations on /vt/world
>naval nation heavily helped by their position
>they guide themselves by looking at the stars, one of the few nations that do that
>creators of the widely used sextants
>known traders across all the Western seas
>isolationists but maintain good relationship with the bordering countries
>peaceful nation with a very strong army and an unrivaled, until now, float
>big lighthouse on an islet far away from the bay
>the lighthouse is a landmark for travelers from the Far West
>when there's a comet in the sky, the lighthouse's light becomes blueish
>during the night, a voice can be heard the closer you come to the lighthouse. Some say that it's Suisei, a special kind of comet, herself welcoming travelers
>the sight of this comet in particular calm the citizens' mood and whenever this comet can't be seen in a long time, they start fighting among themselves
>the fights are quickly forgotten by the next day when they remember that they are under the same dark sky, waiting for the comet to appear
>observatories were built all across the nation to try and calculate the comet's next coming
>the observatories are used for many reasons among the hoshiyomis
>some to watch the comet from afar
>some to help discuss the comet's peculiarities
>some even crave the comet's beauty on its own
>however, the comet itself is still far away and only shines its light when it suddenly appears
>hoshiyomis still try to calculate the comet's next coming, to no avail

I think this is good enough for now. Please, don't forget to add it to the next thread
The flag is still coming soon™

>>18805996
>>18806014
as i've said before, i'm in favor of it. i think the way we go about it is important, hence my advocacy of letting nuefag be the one who ultimately decides. i am not so sure that the grievance you are describing is the greater grievance. this comes down to personal perspectives, i understand, but i think shitposters could be more successful with the island exploit than the "everyone has to listen to some neutral tripfag" if they make it seem genuine. maybe i don't know the culture of /vt/ as well as i would like to, it's not like i frequent every thread enough to know the culture of the whole place, but at the very least, can we agree that whatever decision we come to needs to be made with a degree of finality to it?

To people who had issue with what to do with the territory where /∞/ was. I found this map neutralfag made.
Just use this and the problem is solved.

>>18806540
Were it so easy to quarantine the schizos of /vt/ to a single thread...

>>18806540
It also solves /nasa/'s problems as well. This is a literal two birds with one stone where Neutralfag doesn't have to redraw any boarders and /nasa/ isn't exiled to Siberia.

>>18806429
>That's entirely on the people running this thread.
Ah yes, the amalgamation of anons that definitely has a head. I personally don't know if even the OP is the same every time. At the very least, noone in the thread felt the need to inform any splits. Again, threads that were active in here got their say, we got their invite and I was sent here as a delegate and have been active since. I don't remember the thread ever being asked to give you guys a reminder.
>Not a good reason.
Obviously, which is why I still hink you should get your island.
>That's one person claiming they were lurking
>"Why weren't we informed of this?"
>"Well there was a person claiming they were a Kronie that was around, he could've been your delegate and done that"
>"But he didn't so it's still your fault"
Solve it between yourselves, you're still getting the island anyway
>>18806372
Yeah as >>18806372 said, there must've been a bit of a miscommunication

>but they shouldn't have that territory
It was given to us by a mapper to work with.
>but no one took it seriously
We went multiple threads without complaints about it, even when we updated this thread with the early archipelago in that territory.
>but the island disrupts the climate
No it doesn't, multiple climatechads have explained it's in the perfect spot to not do that.
>but they should stick close to their gen
Myth generals aren't close together either.
>but no one else has an island
/morig/ has one and it isn't even that close to other Myth generals.
>but this other split wanted an island and didn't get it, why should they
Because we put the work in for it unlike other non-island generals, even before the deadline, and listened to feedback to make it better for everyone else.
>but if you give them special treatment, shitposters will shitpost
Shitposters will shitpost regardless. Better to keep contributors happy despite shitposts, than upset the contributors and still get shitposted.
>but they didn't reach the deadline
AT THE VERY LEAST, we submitted the archipelago within that territory long before any deadlines. Even if you don't accept the island, we already claimed the territory staked out for us by a mapper long before that.
>but who will get the mainland territories if they have an island
Neufag made a map for that already, see >>18806540

There is literally no neutral reason to force us into the mainland. If you're so hard up about the deadline that you just can't accept the island we already bent backwards for to appeal to you, then at least give us the archipelago in the same spot that was agreed upon before the deadline

NEUTRALFAG, CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING

>What /infinity was promised, what they've done to get it finished and how it not only won't negatively affect the world or lore, but make the world more inter connected and better.
>>18804691

>What can be done with /∞/ old territory
>>18806540

>Addressing other problems raised with the island
>>18802898

what's with all the green?

This back and forth is, in fact, going absolutely nowhere.

>>18806772
Kronies are writefags that at their peak pumped out new relevant fics lie no one's business just minutes after a stream. Don't upset them without expecting a schizo thesis

>>18806740
Don't give an inch to bad faith actors like him given he already admited the main reason he's against the island is he doesn't like the attitude of one of the people he was arguing with and he can't refute the merits. >>18806284

>>18806830
Hey, I'm the anon you're replying to (archipelago guy / lorefag). The anon you're referring to supports our island, he just doesn't like your attitude but he still wants us to have what we want. Cool your jets.

>>18806859
If he was really in favor of the island, he wouldn't be fighting tooth and nail against the island just because a writing style upset him. It just screams bad faith from him. And I'm frustrated because we bent over backwards to compromise with them after were weren't given a warning over a deadline and it's looking like we're still going to get screwed over even though a vast majority are with what we've done.

>>18806825
fair. i really like their lore, but i was kind of hoping for something a bit more compact. if they are trying to make it seem like two different anons wrote >>18806228 and >>18805818 i might be a bit uncharacteristically disapointed in their creativity.

>>18806962
>we bent over backwards to compromise with them after were weren't given a warning over a deadline and it's looking like we're still going to get screwed over even though a vast majority are with what we've done.
This. I would just leave if the island is rejected.

>>18806962
He isn't fighting tooth and nail against it. He's just explaining why they're waiting on neutralfag.

Which upsets me by the way. I don't remember voting for neutralfag. And in the time I was here a few weeks back I don't remember anyone voting for him either. Why does one self-appointed tripfag call the final shot?

>>18806962
>the main reason i'd be against it is your attitude
>the main reason i would be against it if not for other reasons, would be your attitude
he isn't even saying he's against it. in fact, just before that he wrote
>Anon i'm proposing you get your island though?
what part of that is bad faith?

>>18807074
He's mad and not reading right. He needs to calm down but I can understand why he's upset.

>>18807067
he wasn't here when they decided to let him arbitrate. the guy who suggested it had good numbers, i can remember them without looking it up
>>18666666

>Kronies enter
>autism ensues
>thread enters timeloop and not a minute passes without them bumping it
It's like I'm on infinity for real!

>>18807161
/infinity/ is actually relatively quiet at the moment, funnily enough.

>>18807074
Why would he say he's against it then if he says he's for it while also taking the anti position with multiple people?
He's leaning heavily leaning on nuefag because he's expecting him to reject the island and keep him free of any culpability.

>>18807189
Calm down, shizoronie, we both want the same thing here. No need to assume malice out of the guy deferring to neutralfag no matter how annoying that is. Jesse isn't here he can't hurt you.

>>18806962
>If he was really in favor of the island, he wouldn't be fighting tooth and nail against the island just because a writing style upset him.
I *am* in favour of your island and I am definitely not "fighting tooth and nail against" it. The only reason we're arguing is that you're saying you weren't warned, and I'm saying you weren't owed a warning and bear the responsibility if a deadline was missed. Nuefag's temporary placement was arbitrary, and you responded with your new island within 18 hours, so it didn't last that long.
My problem with your attitude, faggot, is that I'm agreeing with you, I'm saying that your lore, work and compromises are valid, that nuefag's placement should be disputed, that you should get your island, but it was your responsibility to update the thread earlier, and you're *still* saying I disagree with you. I'm sure you realise where we are, you're making the contrarian in me want to vote against you.

>>18807189
full schizo moment right here. the anon you mentioned said nothing against you. you are either assuming he is also a different anon who was more anti than he was, or you are seeing implications that aren't there. you have absolutely no idea why he is leaning on nuefag, and incase you couldn't tell, nuefag is conflicted himself. there was no indication before nuefag responded coincidentally, before this topic was revitalized that he had any opinion on it what so ever, and his opinion in no way closed the gates for you to get your island. it only reafirmed the fact that he knows this decision could lead to problems down the line, which is true. take the other anon's suggestion and calm down, please. you are reflecting poorly on the rest of your group.

>>18807240
I'm sorry he's like that. We all want the same thing here, he's just really mad. Irrationally so. We all want the same thing here. And while I disagree about not being owed a warning about the deadline (I mean we got an invitation, why shouldn't we be told of the deadline?), it's already in the past and it's not like I can go back and nag islandronie to update you guys sooner. We'll keep waiting on Neufag.

>>18807240
I'm saying the people running the project have an obligation to keep parties involved informed. What if your Oshi streamed something and didn't post she was going to stream and somehow disabled announcements so you wouldn't be alerted to it. Is it still your fault if you miss the first part or the entire stream?
And the fact you came out swinging with arguments against it and not even saying 'devil's advocate' like the other anon, and the fact you made the exact same complain last thread about 'not liking the attitude' is what made me see you doing this in bad faith.
How about we both deescalate?

>>18807316
Kek. I'm imagining the scribekronie trying to hold back mapronie

>>18807377
>and his opinion in no way closed the gates for you to get your island.
Not that anon, but wouldn't that mean overthrowing the tripfag as the main authority for this game, or starting a spin off map where the island exists? That would do more harm than good.

Weird question, but if /vtwbg/ is equivalent to the UN, and based in the equivalent of Geneva, who is Geneva on this map?

>>18807406
>the people running the project
I'm not even sure who this group consists of. Other than nuefag, who was only really in charge of making the borders, I'm not sure who else has been here from the start and helped make these threads, I only came here after being invited.
The oshi example isn't great, since I have holodex open at all times so I often see streams up before she tweets about them.
>the fact you made the exact same complain last thread about 'not liking the attitude'
I'm not that anon. I think the only post I made last thread was for you to reduce the size and change the artstyle to fit the map, which you did.

>>18807611
>The oshi example isn't great, since I have holodex open at all times so I often see streams up before she tweets about them.
Say they do an unlisted stream where holodex wouldn't pick it up then.

>>18807443
not necessarily. i have faith he'll look over these conversations and come back with, if not a full agreement to allowing the island, then some compromises, or a very good reason to at least continue the discussion. there are too many people in favor of it to gloss over, but he doesn't seem like the type to intentionally pull shit without a reason. he is interested primarily in map making, i have no idea why he would do anything unnecessary, especially without an understandable reason.

>>18807651
>say the sky fell from the heavens, would that justify my position
could you just get a different example?

>>18807651
Pretty sure that's literally never happened, so if it did I'd be mor einclined to blame youtube. Wouldn't hold it against her in any case, I definitely love my oshi more than a random general in /vt/ lmao

>>18807754
>>18807747
The point still stands, you wouldn't be aware of it happening unless you check by chance, so are you to blame for the results?

>>18807798
If I answer yes, will you stop giving me (you)s?

>>18807829
No.

>>18807798
as far as threads go, unless you have "___ edition" on everything, you're going to miss out on some of the stuff that goes on in threads if you aren't constantly looking for it.

BREAKING NEWS
Territorial disputes in the northeast waters of the Holo Global Empire heat up as Kronies demand the Empire recognize their sovereignty and rightful clay. One Kronie went so far as to lunge at a neutral diplomat in a fit of rage before security could take him away, further straining diplomacy amongst involved parties.

>>18807886
He was clothed, right? Right?

>>18807850
Then yes

>>18807886
>and rightful clay
Native American Chants against neutral fag intensifies.

>>18807905
The assailant ripped off his clothes before lunging at the diplomat. Kronie leaders declined comment beyond stating, "It's our culture to fight naked."

>>18807980
>fighting naked
>not in steam-powered mechanical armor

>>18808043
Not being naked while wearing nuclear powered mechanical armor.

>>18808043
The armor stays off during hatefucking*
>*TL note: hatefucking is ritual combat to Kronies

>>18808043
no, no, you don't understand. the naked fight happens inside a giant steam-powered mechanical ship. it's traditional, don't you see.

>>18808103
I want to engage in ritual combat with kronies now

>>18808109
>don't you see.

>>18808197
>YFW /infinity/ nukes /hlgg/ in a definitive and elegant manner.

>>18808263
tho our relationship with global is more "You hate and avoid us? Good!", we would not hesitate to launch the thremal steam bombs onto their capital if given an excuse

>>18808400
>Kronies standing guard on giant steel walls
>Imperial tribute collector's come to shore
>Kronies rain cum on them and send them away

>>18808263
Heed my words! This post has the means to end this hideous war, in a definitive and elegant manner. We seek not a conflict, but rather a restoration of balance, a judgment. And it will be done with reason, from beginning to end. The world shall be horrified by the number of post we will delete.
Only then will they let go of their shitposts
Shitposts that would have taken the posts of ten million.

>>18808458
As funny and fitting as that would be, I doubt it's militaristic efficiency. Boiling water/oil or napalm seems more fitting. Possibly nicknaned Kronie Cum(tm)

>>18808616
Compromise. Boiling cum from the Takeshi factories.

>>18807594
The general assembly would probably be in /hlgg/ given that it probably is the biggest economic powerhouse equivalent to the US and New York irl
The actual largest UN administrative center would need to be in a largely at peace (no yabs/dramas) neutral and old/traditional thread like Switzerland irl
That would mean probably something like a JP split

>>18808720
Cum caramelises when boiled

>>18808754
>his cum caramelizes when it boils
Ngmi

Hi, climateanon here, too lazy to read thread arguments but since climate was mentioned, and for once I'm feeling motivated, I could try to fix things around or answer issues or modify stuff if that is needed. I also recall someone mentioning they were interested in some tectonic analysis? its not my forte but I can give it a try either today or at some point in the near future. Is there a deadline for this sort of stuff?

>>18808812
If I may ask, how disruptive would the island highlighted in >>18804691 be, in terms of weather and climate?

/meat/ here. We have no idea what's going on but we better stay out and just watch

>>18808869
Read the thread.

>>18808812
>Is there a deadline for this sort of stuff?
I don't think so. Tectonic plates are more flavor than anything and not really necessary

>>18808873
Fellow /meat/ anon here. Yeah, agreed. But to be polite I will say good luck and Godspeed, kronies.

>>18808869
I see there is probably a few ways to read how that would affect things but it shouldnt be that big an issue. I can try to map the currents after adjustments.

>>18808882
Salute this

>>18808941
Always weird how /meat/ and /infinity/ get along, but I like your lore and a Kronie or two wrote ours with yours in mind. Very cool!

>>18809033
It's just one /meat/ tourist who doesn't cause trouble. I'm sure if he started making guro art of Kronii, opinion would change fast.

>>18809000
Noted, thank you.

>>18804875
>>18809033
Seems a lot of anons enjoy /meat/'s creativity

>>18809056
Some of the earliest fics from infinity is guro and cannibalism of kronii and other holos. Yeah Kronies will say they hate it but they read the fuck out of it and archive it.

>>18809123
The archivist is a chumbud and the archive is independently run by namefags who at least put multiple warnings on that stuff.

>>18807886
Can't believe we'll hit bump limit with an international scandal

>>18809167
This isn't a scandal. Nuefag rejecting /infinity/ island will trigger an international incident.

>>18809148
Their archivist is a chumbud and champyon, last I heard, and half of their namefags are also from other fanbases. I wonder why they're not some kind of melting pot in their lore.

>>18809234
Because they're namefags, they're attention whores by nature.

>>18809234
tourists count as a melting pot, right?

>>18809234
>main archivist is a chumbud / KFP / exbeat
>one of the other archivists and writefags is an irystocrat / BRRAT
>one of the prominent writefags is a sapling
>there was a period where most fics were tagged cuckquean involving every Holo other than Kronii

>isolationist xenophobes in lore

>>18805818
This is how things will be remembered.

since we are already at bump limit, I want to remind for the future OP >>18806446

>>18809425
also the /meat/ post from the previous thread.

>>18779044
>>18779616
bones and blood are also used as fertilizer.

who's getting new bread ready?

reposting again to fix one small thing

Hoshiyomia (Suisei general) updated lore/description:

>one of the oldest nations on /vt/world
>naval nation heavily helped by their position
>they guide themselves by looking at the stars, one of the few nations that do that
>creators of the widely used sextants and planispheres
>known traders across all the Western seas
>isolationists but maintain good relationship with the bordering countries
>peaceful nation with a very strong army and an unrivaled, until now, float
>big lighthouse on an islet far away from the bay
>the lighthouse is a landmark for travelers from the Far West
>when there's a comet in the sky, the lighthouse's light becomes blueish
>during the night, a voice can be heard the closer you come to the lighthouse. Some say that it's Suisei, a special kind of comet, herself welcoming travelers
>the sight of this comet in particular calm the citizens' mood and whenever this comet can't be seen in a long time, they start fighting among themselves
>the fights are quickly forgotten by the next day when they remember that they are under the same dark sky, waiting for the comet to appear
>observatories were built all across the nation to try and calculate the comet's next coming
>the observatories are used for many reasons among the hoshiyomis
>some to watch the comet from afar
>some to help discuss the comet's peculiarities
>some even crave the comet's beauty on its own
>however, the comet itself is still far away and only shines its light when it suddenly appears
>hoshiyomis still try to calculate the comet's next coming, to no avail

>>18809449
link it here

>>18809880
k >>18631530

>>18809946
ngl, I was going to make the new thread, but it's too much work

>>18808812
I'd appreciate a tectonic analysis. It's always nice to have a fuller picture. Seismic activity is a pretty important factor when considering a nation's culture.

>>18810184
adding onto this, I fear I'll fuck up some lore by not including it in the OP

>>18810184
update previous thread, add >>18809826 and >>18631530 to their respective lore areas, pick a pic that's sufficiently updated and post it. make sure to like it to this thread before it dies.

>>18810259
yeah but I have to delete the "(Dead)" at the end from every crosspost that is dead and that's a lot for me

>>18810346
I'll make the thread.
Is this everything that needs to be updated?
>>18810259
Along with the vshoujo scrap being deleted?

>>18810346
copy-pasting it doesn't show a "(Dead)" for me. are you phone posting?

>>18810259
>pick a pic that's sufficiently updated
Are we including /infinity/'s island since it would be mind boggling for it to be rejected at this point?

>>18810480
there's a bit of conflict with the Hoshiyomia lore in the general. For now, crosspost it. I'll update it again if necessary
>>18810499
no, I'm using 4chanX

>>18810499
It's a 4chanX thing

>>18810480
>Is this everything that needs to be updated?
idk, might be good to check, but we don't have much time. we should really try to make the last bump involve the updated new thread, or something.

>>18810552
sure, even if it's rejected, it's good to have a refrence, and ya, there is a lot of support for it. i say go ahead.

>>18810594
i use wakarimasen, but i still go to the actual threads when they are active.

haha hope mouse chokes on that choccy milk

>>18810597
>it's good to have a refrence
Mark the thread where /inf/ officially pulls its support?

>>18810677
Don't be so cynical, nuefag wuold have to be a complete fucking retard to reject /∞/'s island.

>>18810677
that would be sad. i hope that doesn't happen, but since this thread pretty much makes it a onesided argument, i doubt that will happen. sometimes i like to cover my bases with my words, and sometimes that gets me into trouble.

post whatever we can for the new thread, make one of the first comments a format so we can add to it easier. that way we wont have to scramble every time and still lack some of the links.

>>18810767
It would be such a self inflicted wound to make enemies out of militant autists like them.

reposting once again to fix another thing. Hopefully this is the last version. This is the one that must go in the OP

Hoshiyomia (Suisei general) updated lore/description:

>one of the oldest nations on /vt/world
>naval nation heavily helped by their position
>they guide themselves by looking at the stars, one of the few nations that do that
>creators of the widely used sextants and planispheres
>known traders across all the Western seas
>maintain good relationship with the bordering countries
>peaceful nation with a very strong army and an unrivaled, until now, float
>big lighthouse on an islet far away from the bay
>the lighthouse is a landmark for travelers from the Far West
>when there's a comet in the sky, the lighthouse's light becomes blueish
>during the night, a voice can be heard the closer you come to the lighthouse. Some say that it's Suisei, a special kind of comet, herself welcoming travelers
>the sight of this comet in particular calm the citizens' mood and whenever this comet can't be seen in a long time, they start fighting among themselves
>the fights are quickly forgotten by the next day when they remember that they are under the same dark sky, waiting for the comet to appear
>observatories were built all across the nation to try and calculate the comet's next coming
>the observatories are used for many reasons among the hoshiyomis
>some to watch the comet from afar
>some to help discuss the comet's peculiarities
>some even crave the comet's beauty on its own
>however, the comet itself is still far away and only shines its light when it suddenly appears
>hoshiyomis still try to calculate the comet's next coming, to no avail

>>18810967
We're really not that bad.

New thread.
>>18811254
>>18811254
>>18811254

Added the new stuff for meat and suisei, arguments favoring /∞/'s island and /svt/'s request.

>>18811378
thank you