/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>18798701
And yet they still control approximately half the industry's market share, so obviously they're doing something right.

>>18798746
Hololive EN and Vshojo are bigger then them in the west.
Hololive now dominates them in the East.

Muh market saturation
Like clockwork

Had to make a third thread about this?

>>18798746
source?

>>18798701
>Shotgun approach at every single vtubing region
NijiES when?

What do you expect them to do? Their conpetitor recruits small and rarely, but they also don't ever vet or tard wrangle the talents so those few can blow up in a big way. The other alternative would be to do the same type of recruiting but go through a vetting process and assign diligent tard wranglers. That's a lot of work.

>>18798997
Nice image resolution.

>>18798701
The talents regularly get new costumes, talents get models from famous mamas as well. Who the hell are you talking about and why do they live rent free in your head?

>>18798701
>Nonono, you dont get it anon! TRUST.ZA.PLAN! We are going to turn anything under the sky into nijisanji! Even if they graduate a month later, they'll still be labelled nijisanji! Get it? We gotta suck the talent poll dry so that old bastard yagoo will have no choice but to pick up a "niji reject"

>>18799125
>The talents regularly get new costumes, talents get models from famous mamas as well
Name them? Those who designed by famous illust, how many of them? And the rest who dont

>>18799044
hopefully never

>>18798997
Gotta remind the nijiniggers about your constant shitting on the whole vtuber industry

>>18799325
That's Hololive.

We get it, holobronies, your whores don't stream and you don't know shit about Nijisanji, get a fucking hobby or something

>>18798701
>Left in the dust
They get a 3D, an alt costume, they get sponsorship streams and they get to take part in branch-wide events. Hell, Aizono of all people did a live show for her birthday where more popular members showed up.

>>18799364
But their debuts are much less than niji tho? By Luxiem they already have 4 more mems than holo, so who actually shits on the market, tell me

>>18799508
Hololive wants to be separate from the whole of vtubing. Holo EN is the biggest tumor upon EN vtubing, and if it wasn't for other EN corpos gaining traction the scene would rot away with Holo EN.

>>18798746
yeah, like three years ago.

>>18799125
they mostly use their own in-house artists, which is why they look like carbon copy of each other.

>>18799607
Don't looks bro…

>>18799727
>Roboco
Come on Man.

>>18799688
Except they literally do not. Rigging is in house. Artists are freelancers. Holo and Niji share artists. Korone's mama did Shellin (male JP) and some male VR (china)

>>18799784
C-come on man, of course you'd throw a talent under the bus like they're disposables. I thought that all Holos were a family.

>>18799727
Reminder that there's unironic unity between the two groups and it's just the gay ass fans that slapfight on the internet.

>>18799836
Holofags shit on Melissa yet RBC is friends with her and reaches out to her.

>>18799832
Hololive doesn't disproportionately mistreat any talent.
Choco and Mel are some of the worst proformers and they get just as much as the top billers.

>>18799727
I just need a mere Anya to mogg the entire branch on niji id

>>18798746
>And yet they still control approximately half the industry's market share
More like 5%, there are many vtubers out there that's not Niji or Holo

>>18799962
But I thought Holofags said during the cull phase that the ones with the bigger numbers get bonuses and shit?

>>18799986
Mika has actually been doing fairly well since Luxiem.

>>18799836
Tribalism is a low IQ activity, that's why it's rampant.

>>18800181
Homos are some of the most decerated members of Hololive and they average 1k< views

where's the new livers, im bored with the current shit

>>18799962
Aizono gets 300 viewers and she had an entire 3D bday live

>>18799592
But it helped them to avoid the yabs, they needed it

>>18800211
Oh Mika the leech ?
Of course she's doing well , grinding her pussy against popular en male isn't that hard right

>>18802063
That's the other ghost, Reimu

>>18802063
What's the point of being a corpo if you cannot benefit being boosted by others? Might as well be an indie at that point.

>>18802014
>But it helped them to avoid the yabs
Most of the spam on this board is over blown Holo drama. It hasn't prevented jack shut. Not only that it shows you don't care about vtubers often disregarding those outside of Hololive.

>>18798701
Now that I am an anti, I agree wholeheartedly
They do not see their talents as human, but as a mere statistics

Fuck Riku Tazumi

I mostly go to the farms to talk about cute anime women and I'm curious, is every thread outside of the generals the same three bait posts posted repeatedly? I've lurked for the past week and don't understand how you could actively enjoy using this board

>>18802235
So it's confirm right ? that she's keep sucking numbers from en male dick

>>18798701
Pump it and dump it.
that's the Niji way of doing things

>>18799962
They got it worst especially when they had to split into a sub channel due to youtube-kun's tantrums.
Not sure how they can recover, but collabs with the more successful holos (aka leeching) would probably help.

>>18802341
It's enjoyable if you are the one throwing the bait

>>18802272
Dramafags gonna dramafag bro, but I never seen management going complete retard over EN shenanigans tho, and I think that shows the success of EN management

i just had beef liver for dinner and couldn't fucking understand why you would throw food at a wall

>>18798804
Hololive is second in the West, after Vshojo and will become third during this year. And second in the East - not even halfway to the first place.

>>18803072
you think nijisanji will dominate the east?

>>18802459

Another post of retarded holokeks powerlessly holoseething an holocopeing because another male wave coming to completely mog holoEN.

>>18803117
Only among fujos tho

>>18803072
>He really believes this

>>18803178
now repeat that in engilsh

>>18803178

>>18802063
And I though holowhores are family

>>18803473
anon?

>>18803178
>>18803338
>>18803393
this guy is really seething btw

>>18802459

>>18802459

>>18803403
Yes, this is a great example of holocope - when you see a recline and write that it doesn't exist.

>>18798997
I'm going to marry Selen

>>18802341
/vt/ has changed anon. Everything besides generals and horny threads is just drama and bait. No fun allowed anymore.

>Nijisanji thread
>Somehow talk about hololive
Why does hololive live rent free in Nijinigger's heads?

>>18798804
>>18804035

>>18804035
Let me see. Indies don't have a beef with Nijisanji. Vshojo fans don't as well. Small corpo fans don't so we are narrowing down who would be making such threads.

>>18804035
Pic related

>>18798701
>Unlike the massive events that are Hololive debuts, New Niji debuts are not exciting because they do them non-stop
I have to agree with this
I missed two whole EN gens for at least a month because I had no fucking clue they even existed
Now Selen's streams are some of the ones I prefer the most

>>18798701
>oversaturate their market with a bunch of shitty talents
indies already do that

>>18799280
Fuck off kungflu. Nijifag is happening soon, now fuck off back to your general holobrony.

Even the least successful Niji EN is still successful by literally any standards other than Hololive.

>>18803072
>Hololive is second in the West, after Vshojo

>>18805881
Gura alone mogging the entire any color corpo

I don't like NijiEN because they're all so fake. It's too easy to tell they're acting the whole time.

>>18798701
STOP COPYING MY BUSINESS MODEL NIJISANJI!!!!

>>18805976
Ask your favorite shart, how did she enjoy her -42% recline in a mere 6 months.

>>18806316
this but with holo

>>18802063
>>18802145
what's up with ghost women and being leeching sluts?

>>18806083
4 EN males outperformed her last month and she only earned slightly more than Selen who she's 15x the size of. Pomu has currently earned more this month than Pomu has and /vt/ was convinced she was about to die 6 months ago.

Gura is only mogging everyone in the 8-12 demographic.

>>18808387 (me)
Than Gura has*

Yes I'm also a retard what about it.

Are Nijisharts really ok with their oshi drowning in an ocean of mass-produced, soulless """"co-workers"""?

>>18808387
I never understood why superchat amounts get so much focus. I guess because they're the most visible metric for money earned?
Unless you're a small corpo or indie vtuber, or making Rushia and Coco amounts, superchats probably only account for a small fraction of what they're actually earning.
The only thing superchat amounts really tell you is how many gachikoi they have or how much attention they give superchats.

>>18811173
I suppose it's the only tangible metric of monetary success, yes. Ad revenue and merch sales/sponsorships are all speculative. Live viewers/subs is the worst measurement of vtuber success because it involves any number of circumstances that don't actually help the streamer. Nanana and Mikado of that one company reached 100K subs from constant ads but were/are literal 2-views. People blanket sub to Hololive members when they discover them but never get around to watching them all. HoloID is grossly overinflated. Eden-gumi, Council, and HoloX all had huge growth in the first couple of weeks and then just stopped. Rindou Mikoto usually has the biggest annual non-graduation stream on her channel because she hosts NJU, but for the rest of the year averages 1-3K. Those numbers don't really mean much.

With 3.8m subs as part of the biggest V-Tuber company in the west, you'd expect Gura to be shitting on everyone regardless of oil barons. But she isn't. She isn't mogging anyone (and honestly I think that's how she wants it). She's making more money than I could dream of, but relative to her peers Gura is bang average.

>>18812102
I wouldn't say she's average at all. Sub counts have obviously become pretty meaningless, however, she's clearly extremely popular.
She regularly has a similar if not higher total view count on her streams than even Pekora.
Music that she's a part of also tends to do really well with her original breaking vtuber records for how fast it gained views.

>>18798746
>Source: My ass

>>18810011
Nijiniggers value the company over their talents, as long as the company inclines they couldn't give a shit about the dozens of nijis who get 300 ish views

>>18806668
Kek

>>18812102
> With 3.8m subs as part of the biggest V-Tuber company in the west, you'd expect Gura to be shitting on everyone
No you wouldn’t retard. Her audience is majority children.

>>18813932
No, it's majority pedos.
And yes, children are all pedos too since they like other children. Fucking degenerates.

Ah I love the smell of nijicope in the morning

>>18798701
If it works, it works. Why change?

>>18798701
Perhaps something of a hot take, but why care? Oh no, my oshi isn't getting thousands of viewers for every stream. So what? If you still enjoy them, what does it matter? If they still enjoy streaming, where's the problem?
Maybe I'm retarded, but I've just never understood this mindset. Do you think new VTubers will just stop popping up if Nijisanji slows?
It gives more people accessibility to the field. It gives them a family they can be welcomed into. If they don't blow up from it, due to their own personalities or any other factor, so what? As long as they enjoy what they're doing, isn't that what matters?
Let's say Hololive starts pumping out their gens more frequently. Does this make their other livers worse? If Hololive were to eventually reach the size of today's Nijisanji, would old favorites be regarded as trash? The liver wouldn't change. If anyone's changed, it would be (You). (You)'re evolving. Maybe someone suits your taste better, maybe you've decided your oshi just isn't the right fit anymore. It won't matter. Your oshi won't change. She's still the same, bar whatever personal circumstances may affect her.
High chance this all comes off as retarded rambling from a braindead schizo, but those are my thoughts. I'll never understand people like you, who recoils at the thought of there being people with smaller numbers than others.
You can't have the big without the small. If every VTuber had a million subs, bare minimum, you would shit on the 1.3 million tiny streamers compared to your 5.5 million streamers. The streamer isn't worse for having small numbers. (You)'re worse for thinking those numbers truly matter most.
Numbers don't matter. Whether that be the number of talents around or the subs those talents have. If the streamer is having fun, it doesn't matter. If you're having fun, it shouldn't matter.
It just doesn't matter. So sit down, watch your oshi, and smile when she does that funny little thing that makes you smile. Enjoy it.

>>18815006
>If they don't blow up from it, due to their own personalities or any other factor, so what? As long as they enjoy what they're doing, isn't that what matters?
Lmao

>>18815006
Based Rosebud.

>>18803072

I see # is still crying over NijiEN's incline.

RULES OF NATURE

>>18815006
The reason why people don't want Niji to continue releasing wave after wave and for their favorites to have big numbers is resource allocation.
Bigger numbers lead to bigger advertiser payouts which lead to more personal and company projects able to be funded.
The companies can only dedicate so many resources to each person and the more people there are the less available to each individual.

>>18813841
This is true, I’ve noticed a lot of them do the same thing they shit on Hololive fans for. As long as Nijisanji does well, they’re happy.

>>18799836
Many such cases.

>>18817332
That's mostly NijiENfags, others from the other branches don't really do that much if at all.
Unsurprisingly so too, since NijiEN's fanbase has/had a lot of overlap with HoloEN's.

>>18818802
Funny because I see alot of the same behavior from the NijiJP fags. The KR and ID fags are pretty chill but the JP fags are famous for shitting on luna because she dared jump ship

>>18816192
yes