/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>18465271
HoloStarsEN unironically isn’t happening. Niji already locked the market early, another nijimale wave is coming this year, and HolostarsEN will lag behind. It’d be too much of an embarrassment. Cover will keep pushing the idol angle, and with Rushia’s failure they’ll have stricter rules on mixing personal and professional accounts to avoid yabs like that from happening again, thus strengthening their idol business model. Another boyfriend yab will never happen again, and neither will Holostars, and Cover is doubling down on what they do best moving forward.

Do tourists still think a cover janitor has any say in what happens in the company? This is fucking hilarious

I honestly don't know if HolostarsEN would work now, unless they go for a completely different demographic. Luxium hit the fujo pandering extremely early on, with all the money but crazy females that it entails. Who knows if the chinese hags are loyal to NijiEN entirely at this point or if they'll leave to a shinier new toy.

>>18465624
>NijiEN won't happen, HoloEN already locked the market early
This is what you sound like.

>>18466201
Except that wouldn’t have been true, whereas this is.

>>18465624
hopefuly, it will also make EN girls uncomfortable in the long run, they wouldnt want to exclude them like JP but mixing them in screws up a lot of dynamics and is drama bait. i pray for them not to do this stupid move.

>>18465624
Niji only got the female Chinese audience, the western female audience is effectively entirely untapped by Vtubers mostly cause the DSMP/MCYTs have gained a gigantic monopoly of the female western audience the only way for holostars EN to succeed is to not only tap into that market but also fill in the void left by alot of the youtubers who would play obscure artsy indie games and accrue weirdly large female audiences.
The best line up of superficial features that I think would appeal to the west is.
>a dude with a very very deep voice and good at vidya
Bonus points if capable of fulfilling alot of the chuuni desires alot of ladies here have
>Unironic shota/shounen bait bonus points if the person behind the avatar is legit 16/17
cause it seems western female stream goers get absurdly horny over teenage boys
>a musician/karaoke guy that's smart enough to abuse people's desire for artsy fartsy dudes
Would hopefully expose untapped western audiences to the joys of karaoke streams
>honest to God DILF/daddy bait but also someone willing to respond to fucktons of superchats and give comforting words/advice
Imagine watame but a DILF/Foxy grandpa
And there you have it the ultimate line up to absolutely piledrive the western female audience and save holostars

>>18466372
Nah, DSMP/MCYTs captured not the female market, but rather children market in general. If I remember correctly, it was mostly male. So if current HoloEN is not able to capture it, males wouldn't either.

>>18466703
I dunno 99% of all fanart qnd other wacky content of them I've seen is being made by 20 something year old women and the sheer absolute volume of it and all the unique and different fan creators mostly being young adult or teenage females makes me feel like there's a legit demographic of them they've captured

>>18466372
>artsy fartsy
So... someone into brap?

>>18466826
Bruh, imagine their fanbase - it's either children or very young adults in their early 20's. Of course you wouldn't see much fanart from children. And I doubt that many young western males are too interested in art, especially drawing for someone. That leaves us with young adult females. Hence the illusion that all their fanbase consists of young adult females.

>>18465624
That's not quite it, but you are onto something. The Holostars are Holos so they won't get the chinks and apparently the ones who want to watch male English vtubers are horny Chinese women. There truly is no audience for StarsEN. At least this means that StarsEN, if it does happen, will not be as obnoxious and gaybaiting as Luxiem is. They will probably be normal as far as male chuubas go.

>>18466703
DSMP/MCYT is (was?) extremely popular among younger teenage girls. That, or they inspired extreme fanaticism. Not sure if they'd shill out as much as older males, at least on chats, but I think with the right guys, male vtubers could swoop in and stake a claim in the marketplace through merch sales. Or maybe not, I'm not an expert.

>>18466133
>I honestly don't know if HolostarsEN would work now, unless they go for a completely different demographic. Luxium hit the fujo pandering
this board shows time and time again that they really don't know how fujoshi work. if two males interact with each other at all and have good chemistry (or hell, even bad chemistry), fujos can and will ship them. There is no "oh this company did it first therefore the other company can't do this, it has to be different!" If you have more than one male interact, there will be fujos, and they will not care if shipping makes the chuubas uncomfortable. See: Luca

>>18466372
The current JP homos have stable male fanbases, they aren't Luxiem. Roberu has maybe 20 fujo fans and the rest are all men and older married women.

Wouldn’t it be a good idea for Cover to try abd tap in the straight male Western demographic? Lots of dudes watch the Niji males in Japan.

>>18465271
Now is the perfect time to debut HoloID3.

>>18467527
This is true, but usually they aren't catered to so heavily, to the extent that it could alienate other kinds of potential fans.

>>18465624
Objectively correct.

>>18467409
>was?
It still is techno and Tommy rake in absolutely fucktons of views, and whenever techno streams the Supas run a blood red river that puts most holo girls to shame, and Schlatt by mere association with MCYT has wildly surpasses all of his normal colleagues and he effectively released no content for over a year and at the same time constantly trying to rid himself of said MCYT fanbase tho he also does qlot of gay baiting/fujo pandering which helps his number considerably

>>18465624
>Niji already locked the market early
Not fully, NijiEN still has not figured out how to appeal to the NA market, however, once that happens its over, no hope for StarsEN.

>>18467711
touch grass

>>18465624
Anon they literally announced a new Holostars gen and did so in English. Holostars EN has already been confirmed.

>>18467802
Do your reps, Shinove said that StarsEN wasn't going to happen and that wasn't long enough ago for them to have changed their mind.

>>18467929
Interesting, reps I shall do then. My appologies anonymous

>>18465271
Too late tranny

>>18465271
I think it's perfect time for you to get fired for being an incompetent fuck larping.

>>18465271
It's time to change omegatranny

>>18465271
(You) wouldn't be their manager Omegay, fuck off

>>18465624
It is happening, cover management is stupid

>>18468153
Not the homo management. Somehow they snagged the best managers in the company and they are approaching things carefully.

>>18468234
the fact that Omega himself had to tweet that holostars is part of hololive out of the blue is enough evidence for me that holoEN management, Omega especially, whatever the fuck he's suppose to be outside of his larp, is implying that holostars EN is in the works

>>18468350
This is the stupidest rrat I have ever heard. The guy who said the thing about the announcement being in EN made more sense than this horseshit. Also Omega is Holo management, not homo, he wouldn't even know if StarsEN did happen.

>>18465271
There is zero reason for males to join Cover and become holostars. Imagine wanting to work for a company that can't secure permissions for a fucking power washing game or barbie horse adventure. You'd be better off as a male indie and form connections with others to grow your audience. For niji? absolutely. They've always had their male powerhouses and currently have EN male powerhouses. Cover? not at all, they're all about the girls.

>>18465271
Ame is on vacation, so yeah, it is.

>>18468534
Roberu has been streaming the power washing game every day, where the fuck have you been

>>18468534
if you want to groom any of the girls it's a good chance. there's a deadbeat spic and he's always making fanart of his self insert with mori, his dream is to collab with her and meet her in person

>>18468907
Anon those are gonna be the first people to be filtered out of the auditions.

>>18468981
i think they're smart enough to hide their intentions and slowly approach the girls

>>18469119
Simps are not that intelligent. If they were, they would have already realized that the Holostars barely collab with the girls in the first place and they wouldn't collab much either.

Stop trying to make it real
It'll suffer the same fate as holoEN

>>18465271
>HoloStarsEN
If you were a male and wanting to join a corpo why in the absolute fuck would you join Cover? The stars already go through collab and permissions Hell while being effectively gimped 2 views.

>apply to starsEN
>on the audition write an entire novel about how much I want to fuck Amelia
>send it every three months

>>18469201
you have a point

>>18469507
same but with Gura

>>18467705
From what I have heard this is true, Luxiem has garnered such heavy fanbase because of how shamesless they are with their pandering, especially Vox and Mysta, which is pretty attractive for many that find the heavy restrictions and regulations JP fanbases tend to put on that kind of fan content and how many livers don't really go as hard with the pandering as they would like.
At least that's what I have heard/seen around.

>>18469855
That is exactly what happened. Luxiem created a fujo oasis and that didn't exist anywhere before. Most fanartists hide their lewd shit under 50 layers of secrecy and keep shipping entirely in private to avoid bothering male chuubas, only Luxiem doesn't have that culture. The problem with the fujo angle is that you alienate broader audiences really fucking hard. Holostars could not survive with that business model and it would make things really awkward when collaborating with the JP homos.

>>18467684
>HoloID3
Why debuff even more?

>>18467139
>Holostars are holos so they won't get the chinks
Holostars are popular amongst the chinks just look at their superchats.

>>18467705
yeah, it's nice to finally be catered to for once. hopefully they keep this up.

>>18470029
>The problem with the fujo angle is that you alienate broader audiences really fucking hard.
isn't gatekeeping good though? also i don't think they're worried about alienating briader audiences considering they have lolitubers. Isn't Gura the most popular EN tuber and a pretty open lolicon? she likes lewd artwork of her on twitter.

>>18469359
>collab
Inside Holo? sure, outside Holo? Not really, they collab with a lot of people and generally feel more part of the vtubing community than most of the girls.
Can't see the same happenning with a StarsEN, especially if they have the same management as the girls.

>>18472323
True, they have quite the loyal and dedicated following in China, probably more so than the EN one if I'm being honest, though wether that translates to a StarsEN, who knows.

>>18465271
Yeeeeees

>>18470835
ID has its own market. The same reason why companies are still selling unpopular products.

>>18465624
It will happen maybe not this year, and it will flop

>>18470835
To make lower tier HoloJP feels good
I'm not complaining though, I love some ID girls

HolostarsEN isn't happening because I'm not applying

HolostarsEN would need to be relevant enough to collab with other corpo western chuubas like vshojo or NijiEN or else they will struggle to create good content since probably online Mori, Ollie and maybe Bae would collab with them.

>>18465271
Who is this?

Your dream of being part of hololive will never happen.

>>18467929
>>18467985
It was pre-luxiem and that’s the only measurement that matters.

>>18485324
Source: (You)r ass

>>18472473
The homos already have their own fan culture and if StarsEN went full fujobait a la Luxiem it wound create a massive divide between the fanbases of the branches just like Luxfags and all other Nijimalefags and that would be really bad.

>>18465271
Is there any art of omega taking it up its ass yet

>>18485595
There is zero divide between luxiem and nijimales or even the girls. It is so painfully obvious that anons don't watch luxiem when even mysta and vox have toned down the panderings, and the other three have never done pandering while still getting strong numbers

>>18485791
I know they have toned down the pandering but the mood of the fan culture has been set. There isn't a divide between the Luxiem boys and Nijimales, but there is a divide in their fanbases for sure. I see that on this very board.

>>18486039
This board has a total of 500 users at best and half don't watch luxiem. Tell me anon if barely 1% of your base is shitlinger to one another do you address this or just keep on giving dramaless content to your 99% users. Also the divide is always between numberfags and numberfags don't count as humans

>>18485791
I mean, between the livers themselves, yeah, there's zero divide, but the fanbases are another thing, which is what that anon was talking about, the fanbases of other Nijimales don't seem to be very fond of the way a big chunk of Luxiem's fans behave (probably mostly due to culture shock I imagine), it's nothing serious of course, but it's there as far as I have seen.

>>18486672
There sure will be some that are uncomfortable but have you seen any of the nip clips which gets tens of thousands of views with majority of comments loving that luxiem now exist which helps emulate the old SEEDS group with the girls. Even other livers have talked about the nijiEN when luxiem dropped and how they like that they bring in something new instead of just copying their senpais. A good example is luca who teach EN twitch slang to jp senpais, Shu that a lot of fans say he might as well be nijiJP, ike has clips showing off his platforming skill, and people like that musta is upfront with his fans. Those are all things in JP clips of them

>>18465271
The dramas have been so big regarding Hologirls interacting with males, and they've only been made worse by outsiders jumping in to have fun bullying incels.
If they wanted to pave the way for HoloStarsEN, they've botched it entirely. Their fans are more alert/agitated than ever.

>>18487150
I mean, it can still happen. The StarsxEN Gartic Phone collab went off pretty good. But that's probably because the Stars are real pros that unfortunately know how the game works.

>>18465271
If they want StarsEN to succeed, they need to not perform the tactical blunder they made with StarsJP and just call them fucking Hololive EN Gen 3

>>18465271
Omega will debut his dilator

>>18487304
I think people respect Roberu, but a new guy is going to get a lot of hate.

>>18487410
kek, that's the worst advice I've ever seen.

>>18487664
If you want to give your new group power, you don't splice it off into its own separate category. You attach it to the main one and at least "on paper" treat them as equal.
It's not just about getting fujos but also getting current Hololive fans to check out a new wave of males.
Luxiem came out the gate swinging because they weren't treated like a tumor like Cover initially treated Stars.

>>18485399
What are you even trying to say

>>18487013
True, that's why I said that it was nothing serious but that it did exist and also why I especified that it was just with a part of Luxiem's fanbase AND with the fanbase not the livers.

>>18487877
The thing is, both the Nijimales and Luxiem are popular enough to get away with that slight fanbase divide. The Holostars would need unity across the EN and JP branches for growth.

>>18487664
There’s a reason they don’t designate them as gen 1 and 2

>>18487150
Honestly with the recent happennings around the Hologirls, I'm not really sure if now would be a good idea to debut a new Stars gen, EN, ID or JP, people are gonna direct even more raised eyebrows at them than they were gonna do (because let's be honest, even Stars fans are wary about a possible StarsEN), it would be adding innecesary stress and pressure on the talents.

>>18488426
>even Stars fans are wary about a possible StarsEN
Stars fans are the most wary about the idea of StarsEN, it's the people on the outside saying "what could possibly go wrong?" who push it the most

>>18487796
That's more a Hololive vs Nijisanji thing. With Anykara everyone in the branches are mostly part of the same group, friendship cliques notwithstanding. For Cover, it's Hololive for female talents and Holostars for male talents.
It's weird as shit and limiting for them though, but at this point the fanbases are mostly different that it wouldn't work if you tried to bring them into the fold.

StarsEN isn't happening. Luxiem isn't a "threat" to Cover because Cover doesn't care about the western fujo market. Is there money there? Sure but Cover doesn't care about it. Males aren't being selected in auditions and their videos aren't getting watched.

>>18488559
>at this point the fanbases are mostly different
This is extremely true. The Hololive fans are one group and the Holostars fans are another. The talents have their own content and their own culture now, thanks to their growth they have evolved into a unique entity. They don't want to be Hololive boys, they want to be Holostars.

>>18466288
>Wouldn't have been true
Holomyth is easily one of the most successful generations Hololive ever produced. They 100% locked the EN market and they still have the lion's share of attention. It's more of a lock than what the Nijiboys have.

>>18487796
Luxiem has an entirely different fanbase who never cared about the rest of NijiEN.

Nah I think a wise business decision would be for NijisanjiEN to focus only on male talent and sell their female talent to HoloEN. I would bet Elira,Pomu,Finana and Rosemi could fetch Niji $100,000 each and make Hololive a lot of money over the long term

>>18489138
amerifag just because its football season doesnt mean trading/buy outs are on the table

>>18465271
Omegaloserbait for StarsEN while he's fucking Ame's pussy
https://files.catbox.moe/iufg13.webm

>>18489255
well it should be normal. if it benefits both companies, so why not.

>>18466288
You know the nice thing about 4chan is that if you get btfo you can just stop posting, no one will know it's you.

>>18489138
I agee except for Selen. No chance she'll do well with Hololive.

>>18465808
No.
That's why they're brigading this boad so hard.

>>18489138
Pomu alone made 200k a year, you need higher the price instead of that begga shit

>>18490121
>200k
that's not bad for a year would be about 500 to 800k if she were in Hololive, and that's not including all the merchandising either. Just goes to show NijiEN has the talent and they are being wasted.

>>18485601
Only have this.

These threads are getting posted weirdly often lately. Deploying copypasta


I'm here to remind you that Westerners don't care about the stars, or your oshi. They don't actually want to watch them, listen to them, or care about their growth. They hate your JP chuuba, they hate your oshi, they hate idols and want them destroyed (while conflating idolfags with gachifags at that), and merely use them as a platform, tool, or for social grandstanding for the sake of social grandstanding. They WILL try to fuck your oshi if Covers recent talent scouts screening ability is anything to go by, and anyone pretending someone like that doesn't exist or is unlikely to apply hasn't spent one day on the internet. I sincerely feel bad for any EN star who just wants to stream have fun sing and generally entertain people without worrying about collab begging, leeching accusations, genmates being sexpests, hate for no reason, people using you as a reason to preach to others about things you don't care about, people trying to give you hand outs as you try your best to improve by your own efforts, people who'll scold you for not collabing with the girls, people who'll scold you for collabing with the girls, people who'll scold you if you don't grandstand like they do, and people who you don't want to have to tell to fuck off with shipping, either mxm or mxf. If you're reading this and you did get in, do yourself a favor and put your foot down HARD from day one and make an example out of these types, or damn all future gens as well as yourself to a fiery, hellish, self-sanctimonious death.
I'll be adding to this collage (a twitter only collage, imagine if I had gone through reddit too) as much as I can, until I see them debut. Wish me luck.

t. Raging, raging Homofag

>>18491141
Meds

>>18465808
Absolutely not. That's why they're bragading this board so hard to deny any criticsm being said about Cover

>>18491631
Never.

>>18467929
Shinove bows to loserbait. His opinion means jack shit

>>18488559
You can blame the idolbu tourists for that

>>18491696
You’re actually completely correct but the collage is kinda schizo

>>18466372
Your list shows you dont understand what female weabos want lol
Only a tiny portion of women like shota, and daddy/dilf character is also just a niche... Literally the most popular male anime characters are Levi and Gojo and they arent shota nor dilf, Levi type (cool ikemen) is already taken by Vox while Gojo type (white hair & funny) is already taken by Kuzuha, and both are the most popular males in JP and EN
This is why Nijisanji male chuubas are succesful because they actually know what female weabos want (+ not pissing off their male fans just like how male weabos also like Levi & Gojo)

>>18492131
I have never claimed to not be schizo, and I will continue to be schizo until twitter itself graduates.

>>18487796
True, but at this point it's too late for Cover to try that with Live and Stars, they burned that bridge ages ago and there's no way that will fly by the fans nor the talents nowadays.

>>18465271
I would ruin his butthole on the daily. You have no idea.

>>18465271
This again?
Cover shills trying really hard to make sure this didn't happen
https://files.catbox.moe/iufg13.webm

>>18491760
Only if ENstars ever becomes a thing

>>18466288
StarsEN will happen. The EN market is still untapped because Luxiem got mostly SEA/China which is why you don't really see them on NA primetime hours except for Shu at times.

>>18469359
I absolutely would. I would hate to have the NijiEN livers as coworkers.

>>18469359
>collab hell
They can actually collab with whoever they want. Most of StarsJP are just VERY collab shy so it's completely on them. The real good stuff is to collab with Vtubers OUTSIDE Cover.

>>18488550
They're "wary" because they know part of their audience would jump ship to a bunch of guys that actually speak a language they can understand.

>>18466372
How much of a shot does a man with an annoying/whiny voice have...
Surely that appeals to SOMEONE...right?

>>18496254
Depends on how the person takes that voice and turns it into something people would like to watch.

>>18492676
>forgetting MHAfujos
And no, endevourfags are not women.

Someone post the Omega bent over the table pic.

Holo mEN

>>18489363
Lmao, the classic

>>18492734
Would this fix everything? Everyone fucks off back to their own corner?

>>18496527
What do you mean, as in they can't collab again or something?

>>18496670
I mean every artist on twitter and their folliwers fuck off to pixiv, faggots fuck off to what's left of tumblr, retards fuck off back to instagram, normalfags and third worlders fuck off back to facebook, etc.

>>18489363
Still waiting for the teakek cope for this

>>18496791
A lot of western artists were on tumblr, not pixiv, that part would probably just fuck up pixiv more. But for the most part that'd probably work, it'll never happen though.

>>18469359
This >>18475777 and this >>18495907
Several of the Stars collab pretty frequently with various people from the vtubing community, they have a lot of freedom in that regard, though wether or not the same would be true for a StarsEN is doubtful seeing how anal EN management is when it comes to outside collabs, so unless they loosen up or they have a different management they will be pretty much fucked when it comes to possible collab partners.

>>18497394
I can see StarsEN having different management from the girls; pretty much allowing them to collab with whoever they want. Basically a cleaner version of Luxiem and without stuff like crashing on the girls' streams unannounced and being mostly "normal" when compared to most of Luxiem.

>>18491141
based, schizo and entirely correct

>>18489138
100% correct and right take here