/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>1839124
... why the hypocrite of all vtubers?

>>1839146
because she's a great performer and pedophiles are actually looked down on by most people.

aaand seething in 3, 2, 1...

>>1839124
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
Get FUCKED antis! She keeps winning.

Why not Collab with someone from EN

>>1839124
Nyanners and AI collab is pretty big.

i am proud of pink cat

>>1839194
it's more that Nyanners doesn't quite match Kizuna Ai's overall demeanor with her fart pp poo poo jokes. Odd pairing.

>>1839261
Hololive wont allow it. Now go back.

>>1839261
They're her direct competitor.

>>1839124
ppppfffffffff

>>1839146
Because she's one of the biggest western vtubers rn. Especially on Twitch, where Kizuna is doing her tour. Being corporate was probably a reason as well.

>>1839261
Because Kizuna Ai don't give a fuck to Hololive outside of Lamy.

>>1839261
The shark's on the path to overtaking her, no way she's going to collab and give her clout.

oh, this is a surprise.

Big news for Nyanners.

I just hope she doesn't get Twitter cancelled or whatever before the concert happens.

>>1839456
otaku already cancelled her, she has yet to be cancelled by normalfags though

>>1839261
EN would need 3D avatars. At best youre getting Sora, Azki or maybe Suisei

I guess being a hypocrite can take you places, even if she is not that good of a singer.

is nyanners the greatest 4chan success story of all time?

>>1839473
>otaku already cancelled her
what do you have to do to get cancelled by otakus?
say dubs are superior to subs?

>>1839124
it's the beginning of the end of vtubers in general

>>1839473
Tumblr canceled her years ago

>>1839261
because china

>>1839564
not in japan

>>1839556
Be a white woman

>>1839556
>what do you have to do to get cancelled by otakus
hate loli while profiting off of it, notice how people bring that up in every thread of hers, it pisses them off to the extreme

>>1839591
This. Kizuna hates holos now

>>1839124
Futakuchi Mana when?

So what are the odds of this concert actually doing well compared to Niji and Holo concerts?

>>1839124
Who do you think could get in the NY concert? It has be someone who sings good. Is there a US vtuber who fits that bill?

>>1839146
Because no one outside of this site actually cares.

As a V-Generate I am ecstatic for our pink cat, of course, but guys, as much as the HL folks want to kvetch a bit, this is just a BEGINNING! HL is already established, but with Kizuna Ai recognizing Nyanners, and by extension VShojo, collabs are now possible! All of our favorite vtubers doing shit together. Concerts, comfy streams, games galore! This is a beginning of a big moment for all vtuber fans, because now we can get hype! Kizuna Ai is just leading the way, like she always has.

>>1839124
I'm so proud of /our/ girl! Seems like only yesterday she was doing voice overs for loli porn.

>>1839719
How optimist of you to think this will go well

>>1839549
I bet he's made more money. Also proves that backstabbing 4chan is always the right move.

>>1839812
Worst comes to worst, Kizuna Ai carries the show because she's a long established idol talent. The pressure on Nyanners to not fuck up and drag her down must be enormous. But imagine if she does pull this off? C'mon HL-bro, we can be hype right now! This is good for everybody. Could you imagine Ai, Nyanners, and an HL-EN person all on one stage? A trio of the two biggest EN vtubers and the grandmother to all of them? How surreal would that shit be.

It's now possible.

>>1839812
It'll be mostly music so it'll be fine, the chat will be the worst part. Any talking parts will be planned out already so it won't have nearly as much potential for yabs as a regular collab.

>>1839591
oh shit I forgot that Kizuna Xi is a thing now

>>1839261
their management team sucks

>>1839124
Are the chinks going to pretend that they like VShojo now?

>>1839146

>>1840005
Did they ever hate it?

>>1839804

>>1839930
She took several days off for her voice to recover for a project a couple weeks ago. Her appearance is already recorded and they're just going to hit play.

>>1840005
Until one of them says Taiwan.

>>1839586
>Caring about Tumblr in 2021

>>1839146
Because she's popular and funny no matter how much you bitch about nothing.

>>1839146
She's the largest non-Hololive American vtuber. Who else would have been picked?

>>1840019
>western vtuber
>shows matsuri
Sasuguh, Google

>>1839124
>Two irrelevant hags collabing together
Couldn't care less anon

>>1839852
Moot got the most out of it
>a job at fucking google
>probably an actual millionaire

>>1840019
chinga tu madre Nimu

>>1840108
you cared so little you had to post about how little you cared :^)

>>1840090
>astolfo

>>1840070
>she's popular
yes
>she's funny
no

>>1839146

Listen: Your humor and memes are fucking terrible and she's better than you. Learn to live with it.

>>1840111
who?

>>1840138

A character who no one loves and cares about.

>>1839683
If it's not going to be free, no chance. It really depends on the fanbase they each bring, but AI hardly has a fanbase left in the US, and while Teddyloid might have some name recognition from MeMeMe or some other songs, I sincerely doubt he has many "fans" that even know his name, not to mention willing to pay for a concert that's basically mainly featuring AI. Nyanners might actually bring in the most fans willing to pay, but looking at numbers on Youtube/Twitch, there's no way they can possibly match Niji/Holo overall numbers unless Hollywood does some huge promotion for this.

>>1840070
she's actually super boring to watch in comparison. She's got this problem where she sits around making the same old jokes and gags. I can't get through a stream

>>1840207
>If it's not going to be free
It isn't, tickets are one sale

>>1840070
>>1840160
Is she cute tho?

oh shit TeddyLoid though, that's awesome

>>1840235
>paying to see any of these people
why though?

>>1840111
Wait Moot works at Google now? Last I heard from him he had that failed canvas site or whatever.

>>1840235
Are they at least cheap?

>>1839194
This, tired of /vt/ shitting on nyanners when they;ve seen half a video of her toilet rating stream and think that's her whole character. Its like saying Gura only ever says "a" or "shaaaak"

>>1840286
to support them or something? idk

>>1840254
>voice actor
>aspiring voice actor at that
no chance.

>>1840305
Bro this shit is old news, like 2015-old news. He was some sort of manager for G+, which died, so not sure what moot's up to now.

>>1839124
What the fucks a virtual tour

>>1840313
Yeah, she also says "feet" and "toes"

>>1840019
chinga tu madre nimu

>>1839261
Hololive management known to be incompetent

>>1840207
These are the stats from her free concert for reference.

>>1840305
Yeah, but it's not anything of prominence.

>>1839146
AHAHAHAHAHA SEETHE MOTHERFUCKER, SEETHE

>>1840308

>>1840286
Ai has some pull, Teddyloid is some Vocaloid fans, Nyanners is a wild card.

I'm mostly assuming people who will be buying tickets will be Ai and/or Vshoujo fans that will support them so that there will be more chances for VShoujo collabs in the future

>>1840286
I can say the same about Hololive concerts. Niji does free ones with better animation.

>>1840019
CHINGA TU MADRE NIMU

>>1840042
I said Tumblr years ago, not Tumblr in 2021. Those are not the same. She was canceled by normalfags on Tumblr back when it wasn't dead.

>>1839261
becasue China would literally destroy whateevr reputation and money she still have if she ever touched hololive.
She cant leech of them even if they didnt have a problem with her.

>>1840335
According to wikipedia, he works for Google Maps division in headquartered in Tokyo as of 2018. I can't believe that faggot actually made it.

>>1840369
>online concert in Twitch
>$2 service fee

WHY ARE TICKET COMPANIES LIKE THIS

>>1839124
The day VShojo crashes and burns cannot come sooner

This makes me so fucking happy. All of that hard work paying off, and the anti's just sit and stare while they ctrl+v another pasta

It should have been Kiara

>>1840071

>>1840419
>paying to see any e-celeb
Happy nijinigger?

>>1840369
>20bucks
how many were nijifest and holofest?
i tought they were 9 or 11 bucks

>>1840419
At a minimum, Holofes 2 appeared to have sold 50k tickets.
Note that they were selling tickets at $60 each and $110 for both days.

>>1840005
I mean.... if they liked her, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch

>>1840070
>Popularity is indicative of quality

>>1840500
Literally who?

Grats to vshojo for pulling it off. Also helps that she's sort of bilingual with japanese. Where's her duolingo streams tho

>>1839124
>The worst western vtuber company and the worst eastern vtuber company collabing
Who cares?

>>1840596
can you fags stop posting holos on /v/? they always follow you back.

>>1840220
Then don't watch her? Holy shit the retards on this site

>>1840464
How else are they going to make money? Otherwise they'd just tack it onto the ticket price and charge the company, making you pay the same.

Server space, employees, software, etc cost money. I also think PayPal or however you pay gets a cut.

>>1840541
$60 for a day, or $110 for two days for Holofes2. No idea for Nijisanji.

>>1840369
Damn that is quite cheap. V-Carnival is like 6 times more expensive.

>>1840672
ooff tanigox swiming in money

>>1840541
Nijisanji made tickets for specific events.

>>1840254
If we're being honest here, yes. Very.

>>1840672
this was a digital event right? Damn, yagoo really knows how to gouge those fans.

>>1839646
hohoho you gave me ammo

>>1840665
Or you can just cut out the middle man and sell the tickets yourself.

Why use a ticket service in the first place

OH NONONO LOLIBROS DON'T LOOOOOK

>Niji had FLOW
>Ai as TeddyLoid
Why hasn't holoshit had any good collabs live?

>>1840731
~$276 USD for all events.

Hololive is good and Niji or anything that not Hololive is bad will get you banned by the jannys paid by Cover to banned people only in /hlgg/

>>1840070
>and funny
>pee piss poo piss piss thighs pee haha
I wish the Jerma fan girl would bother taking notes and learn how a funny streamer

>>1840774
I'll give them some slack because they clearly thought they were able to have an in-person event.

>>1840441
>She was canceled by normalfags on Tumblr back when it wasn't dead.

Yup, pedo stuff aside, she was also a bitch in general. Tumblr refugees don't like her either

>>1840838
in english please

>>1840872
Jannys here is being paid by Cover to banned people in /hlgg/ who say that Vtubers not made by Cover is good

>>1840849
>why yes I only watch clips, how could you tell?

>>1840931
you mean to *ban* people?

>>1840931
again

>>1840774
Holofes 2 and Bloom were supposed to be live events that they cancelled over covid concerns.
>>1840797
Cover seems to be going the direction of making and performing their own original songs. Don't have to pay royalties/fees if they're all owned by you.

>>1840968
Cover good and anything that not Cover is bad

>>1840859
only acceptable if they already paid for the venues and couldn't get them refunded. still pretty shit though.

>>1840785
what amo? kizuna is in contract with billibilli.
And billifans hates hololive even if they pirate and consume their content.
Would be suicidal for her to do anything with hololive becasue billi fans are autistic they evene spammed sega streams becasue they let the dragon lady have a promo for yakuza7 ps5. She made a devils deal and she is stuck with that..
Is sad becasuse as mentioned above i dont think cover would ave any issue with her.

>>1840995
>performing their own original songs.
All 5 of them that don't sound the same just with someone else singing it

>>1840931
Give it another try anonchama, I have faith in you

>>1840997
iirc, they did already pay for concert venues and stuff

>>1840797
The girls don't need anyone else. They are what everyone wants to see.

>>1840797
becasue they focus on their onw talents songs and covers.
Niji doesnt do a lot of those.

>>1841023
ammo agaisnt nyanners, anon

>>1840959
Yeah the official ones she puts on her own channel
You can't clipfag argument out of this one. Pinkcat is the retarded clipnigger in question and this is the side of herself she chooses to show me

>>1840786
Various reasons, but mainly because they don't want to pay for development and maintenance. Businesses actually seek to have as few possible employees as possible.

As a matter of fact, that's sort of why we still have fastfood workers. Many companies could actually switch to robots, but it's just cheaper to pay someone minimum wage to like 11 an hour. We even saw that with the cotton gin in the 1800s.

>>1841050
>>1841052
Damn that's some good cope. Give me the number to your copium dealer.

>>1840528
I like Moe but even I have to admit she's irrelevant compared to the pink cat

>>1841066
well thats dumb, but wold be bad if they fall into the trasp of billi and started multi streming there. Assuming the concerts are aslo muticasting in billi.

>>1840357
Only 1/4 of her subs watched the concert. How depressing.

>>1841350
I keep forgetting who Moe is every now and then. Somehow her presence just isn't that strong. why tho

>>1839124
Kizuna AI is trying so hard to reach 3 million before Gura lol

>>1841405
You act like at least 1/4th of her subs actually watch her videos

>>1841406
I don't really know, she's been around for so long, yet she's somewhat of a nobody
Theoretically she's the Kizuna Ai of the west, but her numbers and prestige don't reflect that at all. Shit makes no sense

>>1841424
Gura would probably prefer Ai getting there first.

>>1841516
I'm wondering how the hell she managed to get custom superchat stickers on her channel.

>>1839124
Should've been Melody. Her and AI would make out and have lesbian sex on stream and make a billion dollars!

>>1841630
I'm not sure if you know this, but melody couldn't sing to save her life.

>>1841630
Should have been someone that could actually sing good.

>>1839261
6 months of Enma fucking kizuna's manager before that happens.

>>1839124
I know it’s a tired rrat but if it becomes mainstream in the west it will be shit compared to what we have now

>>1840570
So pretty much Vshojo will cut ties with Hololive then?
She also cut ties with China in favor of her friend Aqua, who is a holo, and also due chinese new rules for vtubing streaming.
If that's the case then all the anituber circle who are close to Vshojo may also cut ties with the few holos they got close too because, if Coco is any indicator, they may get their internet career fucked if they piss them off.

>>1841692
Singing isn't important, sex sells more!

>>1841564
I think custom super stickers were only rolled out to certain Youtubers. So she's one of the lucky few.

>>1839124

>Nyanners

Pedo's seething right now and I love it.

>>1840111
>probably an actual millionaire
Reading his blog, I got the impression he comes from an affluent family.
I mean what kind of retard has so much spare time and money to spend on this retarded ass site without over monetization?
>muh J-List
Shut up that doesn't cover even 10%.

>>1839309
Peepeepoopoo is the future of Kizuna

>>1839549
That's notch though.

>>1841692
So you're saying her singing has SOUL?

>>1841779
did she? she took a break since she was getting shit for not doing a concert becasue fetl bad about aqua
but dont think she stopped streaming in billi.

>>1840558
Ah, I was wondering about the source and found it. https://www.businessinsider.jp/post-231063
Then I was wondered why he worded it that way, but since Beyond the Stage was paid only, I guess he just chose a weird way to word it. Then I noticed that Beyond the Stage actually did have free sections like Niji concerts on NND. The specific wording is that "Around 50k fans came together to watch it live", which means they were probably using the peak viewer numbers on NND, since 50k doesn't really line up with their timeshift numbers. It's possible, but it would be a huge outlier.

>>1841630
Melody's like, the least musically inclined of VShojo and friends.

>>1841714
So IronMouse? At least she has the benefit of not being a hypocrite like Nyanners.

>>1840220
it’s her giggling fits that put me off they go on forever

Hell yeah, good for her!

>>1841897
i recall 2nd fest accumulative viewers was around 100k or more when i enjoyed the free half.He culd have exaggerated a lot more if he used the peak viewers on that time.

>>1841066
It's not really mark against nyanners, Kizuna has a large presences in china, while hololive made themselves public enemy number #1
All of hololive might as well be radioactive to her

>>1839194
>pedophiles are actually looked down on by most people.
The problem with that line of logic is that people who were not pedophiles were described by Nyanners as pedophiles. This is Paedofinder General level shit.

>>1841939
yeah iron mouse sings is pretty good...her current model and health issues just cripple her.

>>1839124
Aren't Vshojo very explicitly anti China? Bilibili won't like that

>>1841189
Is not cope tho
Suisei and Sora has connections to a lot of irl music artist but they do not use it for some whatever reason, Marine and Mori have connection to a lot of Tohou composers as well but also barely use them.
The closes thing for a collab with an irl artist is Hololive EN image soundtrack album done by Camellia.
https://youtu.be/8WDmXoHqgLw

>>1841779
Not like management would ever let them collab with Vshoujo to begin with.
Melody is already banned from being mentioned on Holo streams.
Mea has a bilibili concert lined up and she still streams there.
>>1841897
Not a trustworthy source but some anons were saying the free portions were hundreds of thousands. Also Holofes 1 sold 30k tickets.

>>1841978
Yeah that's not a good thing.

Any corp that sells out to China can get fucked. The Chinese in general can get fucked.

>>1842000
Yeah I'm not sure what they're thinking. Most of what these girls do, especially Mel, would be banned in China.

>>1842008
>Melody is already banned from being mentioned on Holo streams.
What?

>>1842000
vshojo doesn't have anything to do with china

>>1841939
Well, Mousey can't dance with Ai

>>1842104
Asacoco, Coco mentioned her and later told everyone that she is explicitly forbidden from ever mentioning her again.

>>1841971
>>1842008
NND doesn't track the number of live viewers on paid timeshifts, including free portions of paid timeshifts. The only number you see on the top right is the total number of accumulated views.

>Holofes 1 sold 30k tickets
Do you have an article or some other interview for this?

>>1842000
Uh, no?

>>1841883
China dropped new rules and I think that was the cherry on top to not only her but a lot of foreign vtubers leaving Billi.
But Aqua leaving billi arc due the Taiwan shit was the first strike on her career on Billi.

>>1839146
The longer you fags hold this grudge the funnier it is

>>1842136
Does Nyanners even have a 3D model? It's not like she's going to show up on stage as herself.

>>1842135
Sounds great, but I'm not inclined to believe you without a source.

>>1839261
Wont Kizuna’s Fall Guys contest be simulcast on bilibili? Theres probably west taiwan money backing this tour

>>1842104
about a year ago Melody followed Coco and Coco wanted to talk about it but management pretty much banned any mention of her given her history as a camgirl. There's nothing suggesting the entirety of Vshojo is not allowed(given Aruran was allowed to acknowledge Ironmouse when she joined his membership), but it's speculation given they are associated with her.

>>1840528
she is irrelevant now, eillene has even dropped the financial aid to that project.

>>1842175
>Does Nyanners even have a 3D model?
yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c67F1Zscr4

>>1842008
>>1842164

So this is how you kill rrats
But did Mea left Billi or not? But I haven't seen her collabing with Holos lately so...

>>1842197
For once I can approve of Cover's management locking things down. Hololive should never interact with them.

>>1842135
>Coco mentioned her and later told everyone that she is explicitly forbidden from ever mentioning her again
This isn't true or at least it only applies to Coco, Amelia just straight up said that overlaying herself as Joi from blade runner as a gag was an idea she got from Melody

>>1842154
https://signal.diamond.jp/articles/-/527

Also you have to factor in SPWN as well since that's the main site foreigners used to watch the concert.

>>1840425
>>1840349
>>1840113
>>1840019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIFYN5KKj7k

>>1842197
I think is just Melody.
Polka also acknowledged Vshojo and nyanners on stream and the EN interact with the less popular ones once in a while on twitter.

>>1842222
I think she's getting a new one, not that fan-made one

>>1840672
>>1840774
This is so garbage. Milking all of those fans while kizuna will put a better concert with much better technology for a cheaper price.

>>1842197
I would've liked that collab. Mel is a nice girl.

>>1841516
Pewdiepie get less than 10 percent

Why do you people get so mad at others hating her for being a hypocrite? Even if you agree with her loli statement she's still being a hypocrite about it by profiting off of her loli vtuber model. That's what really bothers people I think

based cat makes anons seethe, rises so far in popularity they have no choice but to kneel to her

>>1842197
they arent allwoed to collab with melody because she her pornstar background.
But can still talk about her. Her being aprt of vshoujo might mean they can interact with the rest also, so melody killed that chance too.

>>1842465
I would have preferred Mousey since she is (arguably) the better singer, but I would also understand that they're probably not looking for a theatre/opera style singer. Also health issues

>>1842135
it because Coco like to push the edge, she still said her name during her 3D stream

>>1842428
you asking white knight and simps why are they white knight and simps

Reminder that without Nyanners there wouldn't be Gura

>>1842658
Fuck Nyanners then

>>1839124
https://youtu.be/CGoSlY2sT04
When they collab with an irl current popular artist or their songs manage to enter top 10 on normies rankings then yes.
Otherwise this is just still for the vtuber niche group.

>>1842658
but she started before her

>>1842658
wtf? i hate nyanners now

>>1842784
Wouldn't any mainstream attention also benefit Hololive due to them being the bigger company in the west?

>>1842272
The article once again only says that 30k fans gathered to watch Non Stop Story, which had the first half free. 30k might seem like it's easily doable now, but do you remember the numbers Hololive was pulling back in Jan. 2020? Pekora averaged 8k on non-Ark, Asacoco was 11k-12k, Korone was barely 6k, Marine around 6.5k, Rushia was like 3k, and Aqua used to be their hardest hitter at 11k-12k. This was back when people made fun of them for trying really hard to not overlap timeslots either.

It's difficult to factor in SPWN since they pretty much have 0 numbers.

>>1842831
Nyanners was first. Nyanners is old. Nyanners is a boomer cat.

Nyaners mainstream

Big kek

>>1840313
Are you really so new as to not know she started out making shit like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyQRFwPFc24

>>1843230
If im not mistaken she is like 3 weeks out from being on youtube for 10 years, at least as Nyanners. Large Bagel Anime I think hit 10 years in Jan.

>>1841189
They sold 50,000 tickets at holofest, there is no need for cope.

>>1843209
It was 50k.

https://www.businessinsider.jp/post-231063

>>1842154
>>1843209
This is from Holofes 2, anons were scraping data during the paid portions and got decent numbers.
>>/jp/thread/S31075693#p31076778

>>1843913
At least read the rest of the reply chain, it started with me posting the very same article.

>>1842867
Anon
Kizuna AI ain't mainstream here in the west
Some normies may had heard of her but never checked her content just like Hatsume Miku.
But overall only the vtuber niche actually knows her.
And no, just because she is an anime girl doesn't meant anime watchers love her because right now watching anime got normified in the west that any average joe who binge watch the lastest netflix trend will also binge watch some anime there but still despise the culture of it.
Also Holo is popular on the vtuber community, anyone who told you they are mainstream needs their meds.

>>1842231
As far as I know Mea has not left bili,and I doubt she ever will. As far as viewers are concerned, any relationship Mea and Aqua had is done.

>>1843952
Do you happen to know if that anon ever ended up posting a screencap of that? Why would the numbers on Beyond the Stage still not match up to what Yagoo says? If they had around 90k viewers on SPWN alone, why would Yagoo say they had 50k when SPWN is paid only?

>>1843867
sweet bare minimum of 5 million dollars

i can't believe the 4chan pedo defense force failed

>>1844319
There are no pedos here, only cunnychads.

None of this is going to end well. If it does I'll be surprised.

>>1844221
As an idolfag, is not new asian companies will inflate the numbers for the press.
In USA they have legal and official trackers for tickets aimed to irl concerts but not for Asia in general thus is a loophole anyone can take advantage of for PR.
However, this was a virtual one thus such loophole is even bigger since ticket sales tracking for online concerts are mostly out of the public sight.

>>1844667
Doesn't make sense since these aren't public numbers at least on the SPWN side. But it also doesn't make sense that Yagoo would intentionally low ball his own sales to the press.

>>1842313
Didn't the guy who did Snuffy's new model also do Silver and Mouse? Would make sense she'd get one from him

>>1839124
Kizuna Ai is pretty irrelevant nowadays, it's not like other Legacy VTubers that still sparkle till this day.
Nyanners is a hypocrite pedobaiter that could be compared to 3rd world countries' VTubers, but is kind of
a direct "competition" to corporate VTubers (even though the VShoujo group is pretending to be corporate).

If it wasn't because IronMouse can't move much she would have been chosen over Nyanners (which would
have been a better option) but it's literally a meh collab — upd8 Killed Kizuna Ai a long time ago.


There are far more interesting EN Livers out there ready to be discovered, Livers that actually have talent to
share and aren't just a known meme turned VTuber.

>>1843952
Then why BLOOM did so much worse?
https://files.catbox.moe/ixqf59.png

>>1839918
I'm pretty sure HoloEN members don't like Nyanners, specially after all the shit she used to do for a couple of clicks.

Could've been worse, I'm glad it wasn't Sirvervale.

I'm pretty sure the HoloEN members like Nyanners and are very happy for her right now.

Unpopular opinion, nyanners is better than holoEN solely because her fanbase doesn't make me want to gouge my eyes out

>>1845053
no wonder it is unpopular
>>1844783
is better to wait for the fiscal year to finish then he will make some statement about the concerts.

>>1844850
This is for the benefit of Kizuna Ai though, and outside of Hololive, no other EN liver than nyanners would be of benefit audience size wise, well, aside from maybe melody.

Too bad Bili essentially controls who she can and can't collab with now though. Don't think her efforts will get any real traction without including Hololive, and it sets up a massive Yab for her if it became more widely known that the reason for not collabing with Hololive is kowtowing to Chinks.

Nyanners gets a feather in her cap with the collab though, its all positive for her afaik.

But if Hollywood decides to spend major money on promoting her, then scratch that, Hololive is probably fucked.

EN managers have been very incompetent on taking advantage of their trend. They've essentially let their talent branch wither away out of fear of Yabs.

>>1844908
Those numbers posted on the same NND picture shows ONLY viewers who watched the timeshift. This means it DOES NOT include people who watched it live prior to the show ending.

I'm not sure if it's worth saying it at this point, but why are you spamming the same image that has 0 relation to how many tickets Fes2 sold beyond trying to guess how many viewers viewed it live compared to the timeshift? When you could just ask about the validity of anon's numbers that have no source?

I tried looking back at the archive, but all the Hololive threads are honestly a mess to sort through with how much activity there it. All I could find searching spwn is the same anon claiming he could see viewer numbers through the video id, and another anon claiming someone on 5ch was the one who did it. The latter is false though, the 5ch thread had the former anon's post copy pasted and was just called out for having no source on the 5ch thread.

>>1844783
Some random comment discussing this on /jp/. That would be weird way to measure sales.
>>1844908
We would need to know Bloom sales on SPWN to even get an accurate picture for Hololive.

>>1839918
Its not, Ai is contracted to Bili, she will never collab with Hololive, her bug masters wont allow it.

>>1845216
>Hollywood decides to spend major money on promoting her
hollywood is unable to prmote kizuna, they wont have interest on nyanners

>>1845260
>literally information from 5ch and 4chan
lol

>>1845143
So in around a week we will get more concrete numbers then?
Do you know where they publish this by any chance?

>>1845260
That comment is one of the worst ones. Yagoo's comment is taking overall, not just NND, and his source for 90k from SPWN is the same as >>1843952. God knows how he figured out to add the 2 together. There's pages upon pages of people repeating the 90k/100k number off of one dude, yet 0 other people tried to do the same method themselves and take a screenshot? Or even question his numbers?

>>1845397
He supposedly already did make a statement on their concert sales. Cover publishes their press release in July, although that thing that people always post around isn't exactly revenue, it's their balance sheets.

If someone wants to pay up $5 for a peek into Cover's revenue, https://www.tdb.co.jp/service/u/1005.jsp?page_count=1&companyName=%83J%83o%81%5B&companyNameAccord=1&address_sikugun=&freeWord=, makes estimates on certain companies revenue.

>>1845444
Nyannersfag here, I think the point we all want to get to is that virtual concerts are still popular, especially with the respective fans. HL does well, hopefully Kizuna Ai does well, and everybody comes out happy.

>>1839124
Damn the hag is getting pretty desperate these days

>>1842658
what? your shitposting anime girl youtuber knowledge is limited to senzawa and nyanners? how new are you?
also nyanners started copying senzawa as well as jumping into any trend she could to remain somewhat relevant
even though nyanners changed her personality and content countless times, senzawa managed to stomp her by just being herself and randomly & barely posting shit


i still remember the stream in which nyanners cosplayed as 2B and was pretending to be flustered "hehe ima hide me titddies hehe but actually not hehe" that she is trying
to delete from everywhere, doesn't want to show how much of an attention whore she is apparently, even though it is blatantly obvious.

>>1845678
>your shitposting anime girl youtuber knowledge is limited to senzawa and nyanners?
you're going to use nyanners clones #2 and #3 to as some kind of supporting evidence here?

The holofest 2 numbers are kinda doubtful not only because a Yagoo business insider interview says there were 50k
and there's no way COVER would underreport this and the numbers are weird.
The prime time slot of Hololive struggle to get to let's say 80k combined viewers and the most watched free livestream of them (Mikochi return) was like 140k viewers.
And you're telling me 150k were willing to pay 60-110 dollars?

Many people are going by subs, but not all subs are active or by god views but youtube does weird shit with them too.
Like a constant 25k live viewer stream of 2 hours has 500k views at the end and there's no way so many people has checked the stream and closed it without making a mark.

>>1841032
>I know nothing about the original songs because I have never watched any of the stream but I have to speak my thought because I am a fucking autist retard
this is you

>>1845869
*VOD views lmao

>>1841779
>So pretty much Vshojo will cut ties with Hololive then?
lmao, what ties are you talking about? You can't cut ties that don't exist, anon.

>>1845771
so you are a 2018/19 frog or a covid refugee, pretty much a normie.

>>1842164
She's still active on Bili, you can check. The new rules changed little.

>>1845216
>EN managers have been very incompetent on taking advantage of their trend. They've essentially let their talent branch wither away out of fear of Yabs.
that's because japan doesn't know how to work in western markets

>>1846057
when I got here one piece dub censorship memes were a new thing, which is why I'm surprised you think you're right.

>>1845216
>Nyanners gets a feather in her cap with the collab though, its all positive for her afaik.
Until more japs find out about her past and she gets a bunch of obsessive antis out of it. You know, outside of the ones on this board.

>>1845869
>a constant 25k live viewer stream of 2 hours has 500k views at the end

I'm sure that's because people F5 the stream whenever it gets laggy, desynced or the quality lowers randomly.
Also a lot of people watches streams for a couple of minutes, leaves, comes back and so on, so it wouldn't surprise me if it affects the VODs' views somehow
(also have in mind that you have to refresh the page after the stream ended to watch the VOD/leave a commnet, that might also add a shit ton of views to the VOD).

>>1840019
chinga tu madre nimu

>>1846484
i would like to believe you anon, but you are either a normie or a newbie.

>>1846548
>I'm sure that's because people F5 the stream whenever it gets laggy, desynced or the quality lowers randomly.
Is that how the view count works? I seriously don't know.

>>1846645
It used to be like that until a year ago (last time I checked/cared about it). Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if it's still working the same way.
Also YouTube has a lot of view-count and comments bugs, so probably refreshing the page is still messing with their spaghetti code, Aqua's recent 10+ hr VODs have over 1million views.

>>1840596
>this user is underage

>>1845869
>Many people are going by subs, but not all subs are active
I've always wondered what everyone's sub count would be if YouTube implemented a system that automatically unsubs anyone that hasn't watched their channel in 6 months

>>1847097
I doubt big YouTubers would even reach 10million subs, pewdiepie would probably sit at 20mil and the rest (including VTubers) would sit at 200k/500k.
Chubas like choco, akirose, sora, etc would probably sit at 50k or less.

>>1847225
I think the ASMR focused ones would probably have higher retention than the rest.

>>1840651
>The worst western vtuber company
How many of there are in a first place.

>>1848652
Too many

>>1840528
Gets like 250 viewers on Twitch and the YouTube revenue is pretty bad for her now as she admitted on stream a few times.

Shame, she's still good, just got bad luck when vtubers exploded and new vtubers took her existing audience away from her.

>>1841779
Vshojo is yabai to Cover and ENs aren't allowed to collab with any outsiders.

>>1841516
1/4th sub is actually really really good. Even the largest Holo events rarely get more than 10% of their subscribers show up for live viewing.

>>1849344
meant for >>1841405

>>1846590
>>1846057
>>1845678
I can fucking hear the ESL in text

>>1846538
I imagine they wouldn't bother with a foreigner that doesn't even live in Japan. Kiara is a special case because her past.

Nyanners went from dubbing loli rape doujins to collabing with the no. 1 vtuber in the world. She's living the dream now.

Still a bitch tho'

>>1839124
Always has been, but most Japanese talents including several big names will always be obscure in the broader sense.

>>1839261
Immediately after her Hello World concert Kizuna had her afterparty in Bilibili, Upd8 sold her out to China in another one of their long list of fuck ups.

>>1844043
/vt/ Vtuber fans are way too caught up in their bubble and think because they live and breathe it, and numberfag it constantly it's going to be the next big thing, even Hatsune Miku was a nano-blip of internet weirdness in western culture. Your normies from the average bro dude to the wine mom will literally never care and notice.

>>1839124
kizuna ai is known to collab with shitty small vtubers all the time, who are no threat to her.

>>1850452
>台北
>中国台湾
Is she calling it Taiwan, or Chinese Taipei here?

>>1852256
The key is the flag, retard.

>>1839146
She is the biggest non-holo.
A case of "best of the rest", since there is no way any Holo EN gets invited

>>1852340
Don't call me a retard ever again, you cunt.

>>1840019
chinga tu madre nimu

nyanners straight dabbing on the haters with her immense success, how does based cat keep winning?

>>1849950
Nyanners has a lot more regular viewers than Kizuna already. Subs are a poor metric.

>>1853912
Vshojo has a bout 10k active watchers on average. Depending who's "on" the viewers are spread around, but they peak when just a single member is on so if you run a stream when nobody else is watching you can get about 6-8k viewers. Which is fine, I suppose.

>>1852622
as you say retard

>Vshojo is the top US vtuber company

anyone trying to say Vshojo will focus more towards the chinese market is a complete retard. This is just Kizuna desperately trying to take a bite on the western one. Which won't work.

>>1839146
Melody is practically blacklisted, thats why.

I'm so glad we pedophiles finally have one of us in the spotlight.

TICK-TOCK

>>1855771
That's it. I'm going to kill you.

>>1856271
i can see why melody is a no go but i think out of the vshojo crew iron mouse would probably be the most appropriate collab.

>>1839146
Nyanners is not a hypocrite.

>>1857262
mousey is unreliable for any kind of live event, because of her health problems

>>1857262
It's a concert. Mouse can't sing for shit. Also I'm pretty sure she can't leave her room because she's in like, life support or something.

>>1857298
But Nyanners is an actual pedophile, and that's a good thing

>>1839124
>becoming
is it 2019 again?

>>1845444
I questioned someone to provide me with some evidence of these kinds of claims beyond some dude saying so on 4chan months ago too and nobody ever could. But what can you do unless you are autistic enough to show up every time its mentioned people can and do carry on repeating things with little to no evidence it if its what they want to hear.

>>1857298
Even if she weren't a hypocrite, she'd still be a filthy sjw.

>>1857304
Why do people think it's a live event? It's probably pre-recorded.

>>1857310
>Mouse can't sing for shit
Nigger what?
>Also I'm pretty sure she can't leave her room because she's in like, life support or something.
This is the big issue, she's basically bedridden so anything other than the live2D is probably too much for her.

>>1841779
I mean, in the off chance they ever DO collab, it probably won't amount to anything. Nijisanji still collabs with Hololive despite having a huge CN branch (VirtualReal)
As long as those streams aren't simulcasted on bilibili chingchangs wont sperg out.

>>1839124
>mainstream
Translated: a target.

>>1850452
Whatever happened to Chink Ai?

>>1839146
Because everyone else is either too small or disqualified.
>Melody
Porn
>Nijisanji
A literal who in the west
>Hololive
The Chinese have a significant investment in Kizuna Ai, that's a no-go.
Overall though I'm worried that this is going to be a disaster for the western scene. Natasha has a specific type of toilet humor that is not going to be well received by the normie non-pedophilic crowd. It's going to make a terrible first impression. Hopefully she can control herself and act professionally.

>>1857310
>Mouse can't sing for shit

>>1858071
As awkward and weird as she can be she's not retarded, she's not going to show up to the concert and start playing fart noises or something.

>>1840201
I care about Astolfo..

>>1840019
Obligatory Chinga tu madre Nimu, comment

>>1842000
where did you even get this idea from

Glad she's got this, should be good.

>>1857310
Mouse is like the best singer in VShojo, she had operatic training as a child lol

>Hololive is going to be contained to Youtube
>VShojo is going to become the defacto western v-tuber agency
The chinks won

>>1858104
>pic
commit reverse birth

>>1839124
Did no one tell Nyanners that Ai loves lolis and had that Azur Lane video where Ai wanted to lick Eldridge, along with several other similar videos? Why would Nyanners collab with someone like that?

>>1859895
Why did you copy paste my post from the other thread?

>>1859895
Why not? Nyanners is also a pedophile.

>>1859965
It's going to be a copypasta, hope you like seeing it because it's going to get reposted in every nyanners thread for the next three months.

>>1839716
Oh people care anon. Frankly, I'm constantly inundated with "Hypocrite this" and "Backstabber that" most places she is discussed outside her fan circles.

>>1859526
>commit reverse birth
rope

>>1857738
But bilibili itself will sperg out and terminate her channel and refuse to work with her ever again.

>>1859895
OH NO NO NO

>>1857187
>no reply
A-anon...?

>>1860095
I meant Vshojo and Hololive. Ai? Yeah. She realistically can't collab with Holos anymore. For the said reasons.

>>1857796
She's still active, putting out a few videos a week. She's got around 500k subs on bilibili last I checked.

>>1839124
>Is this the beginning of Vtubers becoming mainstream in the west?
no

>>1859499
All they had to do was to promote the competition

>>1856908
>abandoned/dead channel with barely over 3 years of activity, 26 vids, 1.13M
>scuffed half dead half alive channel with over 9 years of activity, 173 vids, 1.12M

Also, at this point senzana has 3Mil going for the 4Mil.

>>1854797
Each girl has their own dedicated fanbase and then there's a lot of people who flow around and watch others after the first girl ends / raids another one. However, when a big event happens they can get almost all the combined fans into one spot which is how they had 18k people watching Hime's debut at one point. What will most likely happen for this concert is that the girls will coordinate some massive hype and raids leading up to the concert and direct their fans to the concert channel. Paying for the event is going to be the weird part, but I imagine you're going to have a lot of VShojo fans there.

>>1840111
Also married too I believe, don't take my word for it

>>1841548
It sucks but it doesn't really seem like she can do much about it, maybe she's comfortable with what she gets, as long as she still gets something out of it. New and shiny VTubers came along and so people jumped over and watch them instead.

And even if people prefer vtuber live streams over pre recorded videos, if you check her Twitch she is fairly active on there nowadays, a few streams a week. Been streaming LA Noire lately. Still does occasional YouTube videos though.

At least give Moe credit that she didn't bother riding on the coat tails of said new and shiny VTubers just to stay relevant and gain viewers again, unlike others. She didn't tie herself to the Melody clique and constantly appear on their stuff.

>>1859499
Twitchfags actually believe this? Kizuna's state of the art AR concert got 30k live viewers as much as tokyo ghoul gets playing Apex. Her virtual tour is gonna flop screencap this.

>>1864873
>Kizuna's state of the art FREE AR concert
FTFY