/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>18381578
Cover literally did the last option there, OP, you have your answer.

>>18381578
>If they aren't idols, what did Towa apologize to her fans for two years ago
Lying. You didn't believe the Reddit narrative that it was for talking to men, did you?
>What's the reason behind the collab permissions
Image control, for the same reason normal celebrities don't typically do photo ops with neo nazis.
Baffling post.

> If Hololive talents aren't idols, what's their shtick then?
They’re streamers

>>18381688
>Image control
Sounds like some high octane idol shit.

>>18381776
Not really. It's pretty standard celebrity stuff.

Oh look it's another idiot whose entire concept of idols is based on 90s idol culture and that one crazy AKB who shaved her head like 15 years ago

>>18381716
they are an idol company
their website literally says so
their talents literally call themselves idols
get a grip

>>18381902
just because traditional idol culture is getting subverted doesn't mean wota agree with that direction

>muh idul culturrrrrrr
Spotted the vtuweeter

>>18381927
WWE has wrestling in the name, but they aren't a wrestling company

>>18381578
>If Hololive talents aren't idols, what's their shtick then?
If the WWE talents aren't real wrestlers, what's their shtick then?

>>18381927
>their website literally says so
Where?

What's the difference between an idol and a normal streamer, anyway? The amount of disdain they project for their viewers?

>>18381869
Hololive aren't celebrities, anon. Their top talents' individual streams have 20k viewers on average, which is way below actual twitch celebrities who collab with whoever they want and fuck whoever they want. There is no reason to do shit like forbidding Kiara from collabing with Pomu, another corpo vtuber with no known yabs. The top hololive talents are moderately successful streamers who should be able to maintain self-control.
If Cover isn't actually pushing the idol standards on their streamers, then the restrictions they impose on them make zero sense.

>>18382339

>>18382516
>What's the difference between an idol and a normal streamer, anyway?
The audience.

>>18381578
>cover: There is no dating ban in our contract
>/vt/sisters: they’re not idols anymore then
Baffling post

>>18382724
>>18382516
Hololive call their streamers "idols" while giving them an iphone and L2D

>>18382685
>project
>multimedia
Blindchama...

>>18382685
anti idolfags eternally btfo and they should all kts immediately

>>18382797
>There is no dating ban in our contract
sadly that is true, but majority of holos and their fans agree that no dating is agreed non verbally and expect them to not be in relationship

>>18381869
>Hololive
>Celebs
You can't be serious. They are cartoons, not people

Don't be retarded, OP. They just market themselves as idols to draw in that crowd. The nature of vtubing very much just allows them to say whatever. Clearly it works, and that's all that matters to a corpo.

>>18382525
They are e-celebs. Even Z listers have managers that control their image. Your logic is flawed and not based on reality.

Clearly it's just stuff that a company has to control.
Though the Towa incident happened years ago, so they might've learned.

i don't even like the idol aspect of these vtubers, though. i just like seeing them say funny stuff and play games and scream loudly when scared.

in all honesty the idol aspect with all the dancing and songs and such tend to be the most boring aspect to me. and i feel like i'm not alone there outside of jp audiences.

>>18382812
I mean, there are real life 2view idols in Japan who have nothing to work with, too.

>>18382849
>Idol is written 3 times in the screenshot
>Sticks to the words project and multimedia as if those completely nullifies the concept of idols

>>18382525
>>18382966
jesus fuck please go back if you don't know at least the bare minimum about hololive

>>18383205
Having an idol project within the company doesn't make them an idol group.
They hire vtubers not idols.
If singing and learning to dance to once in a while hold a concert makes them idols you might as well call Nijisanji an idol company as well.

>>18382797
You didn't get it.
>cover: There is no dating ban in our contract
Yes, they said it. Doesn't mean it's true.
>/vt/sisters: they’re not idols anymore then
This is wrong and being parroted here by gullible reddit tourists.
Hololive talents ARE idols. Dating IS banned, or at least you're required to keep it in secret, which is essentially the same thing - it's much harder to keep your relationship a secret from your obsessed fans than from the retarded management. This is explicitly confirmed by Aloe and implicitly - by the overall behavior of Holo talents.
>Baffling post
Reddit lingo btw

>>18382685
>"IDOL Project"
>"In addition to hololive's idol activities"

I don't know, anon. It seems to me that they're streamers trying to be idols rather than idols trying to be streamers. Everything that you've said sounds like pretty normal management stuff, you don't have to be an idol to have a manager to take care of these things.

>>18381578
The Hololive characters are idols, the talents are actors.
Marvel characters are superheroes, the talents are actors.
Idol anime characters are idols, the seiyuus are voice actors.

>>18383922
>or at least you're required to keep it in secret, which is essentially the same thing
>essentially the same thing
Baffling post

>>18383240
Go back to where? /jp/?
Hololive are idol wannabes, with idol standards forced upon them. Their target audience is single males engaging in parasocial shit. This is why most of them steer far from males. This is why the Rushia yab is a big enough deal to warrant probation, with an official statement from Cover to boot.
Even if they aren't idols in name (but they are), they milk a very specific audience by maintaining a very specific image. And suffer consequences for violating this image.
No amount of cope is changing that.

>>18381578
I know vt is retarded including you OP but most of them are streamers first idols last.

>>18381578
>If they aren't idols, what did Towa apologize to her fans for two years ago?
she lied. Thats literally it. Japan doesnt like when people lie.

>>18383922
Didn’t the co founder say they’re not a idol company tho lmfao

>>18384335
frame this on the fucking wall
denying idol character and parasocial relationship Hololive idols cultivate with their fans is delusional

>>18384424
He didn't say that.
He said in Japanese that Hololive is an idol company similar to AKB48.
He said in English that Cover corp is an entertainment company.
Context and the exact phrasing are important.

If they are not idols, I look forward to them collabing more with holostars!

>>18381578
They are idols. Whoever seriously said they aren't likely just don't have any idea what they are talking about. The fact that even /jp/ and /vt/, much less leddit or Twitter, occasionally (a bit too frequently, though) mistook the so called "idol culture" and wotaku with "unicorn" shows how little most Westerners (who had no exposure to idol scene outside of some brief glance from Western media or anime) know

>>18384148
If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck
Cope harder cuck faggot

>>18382933
>but majority of holos and their fans agree that no dating is agreed non verbally and expect them to not be in relationship

Meds

>>18381578
Cover is becoming more western in how they handle their business. So now they are literally just an agency of comedians. They don't want to disown Rushia for having a BF, like it or not, people shit talking are a small vocal minority in the west. It's only an issue in Japan. The west basically is carrying Hololive. Nene even mention she has more international viewers than Japanese. Just think when they were a small company compared to Niji, it wasn't until clips from Miko (who was about to quit being a vtuber, but the west saved her because she said nigga) and Korone became viral. They were also smart in hiring Gura, who was popular in her own right as Senzawa, and basically locked down the US market initially. They know where the bread and butter is at, it's in the west, and most people are ok with talent dating who they want, or at least pretend they do on social media.

>>18385236
go back normalfag
why do you think majority of Hold even avoid mentioning m*les or or are flirty in membership posts?
because they know what gachi want and expect

>>18384424
Sony Music JP is not an idol company. NGZK46 / Nogizaka46, which belongs to and is managed by Sony Music, is a big idol group. They are different things.
Cover is not an idol company. Hololive, which belongs to and is managed by Cover, is an idol group in the streamer / content creator field.

>>18385308
>The west basically is carrying Hololive
MEDS NOW

It doesn't really matter if they're idols or not, at this point. They pandered to that audience long enough that it's impossible for them to separate themselves from status. The blatant avoidance of Holostars, and men in general, amongst many of the girls is just one aspect of idol culture that managed to ingrain itself into most of Hololive. I repeat, it doesn't matter if they're idols or not. It doesn't matter if they want to be or not. That's the audience they cultivated. As the saying goes, they made their beds, now they've got to lie in it.

>>18382933
The only people who believe that are right here having a breakdown on /vt/.

Hololive is a whore group. What's so difficult to understand?

>>18384646
They're free to do that whenever they want. The girls just don't want to and choose not to, except like, what, 2 or 3 of them?

>>18389566
Hololive streamers don't want to collab with men because they know their viewers and most importantly their donators see them as idols, and so regularly interacting with men would be career suicide for them. This was explicitly brought up by Noel. https://youtu.be/DGZz_zdb7ho I mean it's obvious anyway, but it's nice to know she is honest. A few of the female Hololive members can get away with a collab with a male every now and then, but for the most part no and regular, flirty interaction with men definitely would kill their business.

>>18381578
what's wrong with nu-niji tranny crowd.
love the game, gave a chance, watching with live reaction was so physically cwinge I had to give up

>>18381927
Define "idols".
Including its sub-categories.
Also, give concrete comparisons between hololive and irl idol groups like akb and hello project.

they are idols when they are in character, the characters are heavily moderated in what they can say and what they can do to build a brand. you will never hear the characters talk about their sex lives and other "non idol" shit outside of a few like kiara and matsuri and even then its relatively tame. this is apparent compared to nijisanji where someone like gundou talks about munching carpet on the daily or whatever, or vshojo where veibei talks about getting her ass ate and having her period blood mix with her massive diarrhea

i am not an idolfag, but there are very obvious distinctions between the character being moderated, and the voice actors being people that can do whatever they want. to believe that the VAs directly represent everything about their character is retardation and schizophrenia