/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

no

>>17882073
Real talk. What the benefit of twitch over youtube?

>>17882073
They'd have a lot more money rolling in since they can negotiate better deals with Twitch.

>>17882215
BTTV emotes

No.
I think twitch is blocked in China, so their numbers will go down

>>17882215
frog spam

>stream on twitch
>but only some of the time

>>17882073
No. HoloENs problem is that they don't stream, switching platforms wont change anything.

>>17882215
>Better moderation tools
>Better chatting experience
>Better customer service
>Can negotiate with Twitch to adjust your take
>No YouTube bots that'll strike you at lightspeed

>>17882288
this is the way

>>17882288
>Behold! A chuuba!

>>17882073
Yes.
But Japanese being autistic retards and mindfucked set in using youtube is what made possible for the western scene to bloom on twitch however.
Cover using Twitch would have killed thousands of 2views and vshoujo at the very least.

>>17882215
no cull, subscription > membership. That's it

>>17882073
Yes
Let's be honest, Twitch is much better for a streamer than YouTube

>>17882337
>>Better customer service
If they provide better customer service then they should be banning hot tub streamers that hurt the brains of non coomers that go to twich, knowing that they exist there.

>>17882428
they don't need JPs. Their main audience is EN

Undoubtedly yes. Twitch caters to the top 1% who hold a lion's share of the viewers. The
>no discoverability
meme is a terrible argument, especially considering you have "streaming groups" and tags.

>>17882463
Surely that made better sense in your head.

>>17882463
The bathtub shit has it's own category that you can filter out.

>>17882073
No, I think HoloEN would be pretty much ignored if they started on Twitch.

Twitch doesn't shadowban streamers. So yes.

>>17882463
Twitch's customers are the streamers so why would they ban them?

>>17882545
That's the thing though. I shouldn't have to filter them out. They should just not exist, make them go to Onlyfans

>>17882337
Far worse monetization.
Twitch takes a larger base cut than youtube, and youtube VOD archives basically generate semi-permenant income, Twitch autodeleted VODs after a few months at most and they pay jack shit for VOD advertisements and ruining any chance someone can watch your old stuff.

>>17882564
>ignored

kek, wait till the shark average 30k in Twitch

>this many normies actually shiling for twitch
there is nothing great with BTTV, nothing great with chatting experience. Moderation tools are only better because twitch culture is cancer and without them it would be a hell hole. No, customer service is not better. No, you will negoatiate with twitch. No, twitch human admin shit is really fucking bad

>>17882612
key word "started"

>>17882429
>no cull
lmao one of the streamers I watch can't have their vods last even after a couple of days or they'll get striked

>>17882215
Nothing. I know people on Youtube will refuse to go to Twitch because of its shitty forced ads garbage and the Twitch emote spam. HoloEN moving to twitch will kill any chance of growth. Twitch and Youtube audience are just too different.

>>17882429
CCV cull is irrelevant outside of numberfag threads. The streamers can see their true CCV after 48 hours in analytics.
And no subs are not better than memberships, because memberships they can actually lock member-only content behind giving a far bigger incentive to member. Twitch has zero function that can replicate that.

I want to spam other channels with official Gura emotes.

>>17882639
>Unironically shilling for jewtube

>>17882494
Baelz: Honorary Korean.

>Ina and Kronii unloved by their people

>>17882646
That's probably because they play whatever heavily monitored copyright music they want.

>>17882215
A safe space where people won't mock you for cutting off your penis

>>17882673
>Twitch emote spam
how is this different from yt chat? unless you mean frogs and gootecks face

Hololive is ruling over youtube algorithm with their clips... And once you check one of the member channel, youtube automatically recommend other member. Stream on twitch basically throwing that advantage to mingle with OTV / LSF circle that ruling over there.

>>17882494
What's site is it?

>>17882729
>unironically shilling for amazon streaming site full of normies and redditors
Jeff, Elon is better than you at rockets. Give it up already and disappear from this world

>>17882721
use gurawave

>>17882494
>Sana
>CAD

For what purpose?

The best play is to use both platforms, then you get people who double up on sub/membership.

if you're a numberfag, Twitch CCV is way better than YouTube. even Vshoujou can get 15k views while the stream sleeps, which is impossible on YouTube

>>17882792
Hello Aradesh, how is work today? Did you finally get a $1 raise from Susan?

>>17882789
not a website, but from a YT vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVtNQBItBLc

>>17882800
Offical.
Not a shitty bttv/third party emote

>>17882778
No. I will not want my chuuba to say poggers every time something happens. No, I will not want the chat to say it either. No, I will not want my chuuba to say omegalul when something funny happens. No, I will not want the chat to spam it either.

Go back to LSF

>>17882463
its a better website just based in a technical sense. Twitch doesn't fuck up CCV, it has far less lag spikes/random stream cutouts, the chat doesn't lag to hell when you open emotes up, not to mention better functionality like gifted subs, stream raids, sitewide sub emotes, I could go on. Pajeets at youtube can't even make sure ccv doesn't dip to 3 viewers at random kek, not to mention the several month long span of time when viewers were cut to nearly half because they were "spam" to Youtube

Big no

>>17882639
Yeah and I'd like to pay $70 per month just ot get shadowbanned on my oshi's stream. Nice website you got going there pajeet.

>>17882778
gootecks committed wrongthink so they took his face and replaced it with a lizard.

>>17882904
The cull didnt last for months

>>17882956
His face still lives on 3rd party emotes like BTTV and FFZ although with how competent Cover is, I don't think they'll know about it.

>>17882940
In twitch when chuubas would say "nigeru" they would get banned because they said the "N-word"

>>17882811
It's probably one extreme gachikoi that tips the ratio due to a lack of donors in general.

>>17882215
For the streamer? There's plenty but the biggest is access to a bigger audience and a site that has established itself as the premier streaming platform.

>>17883036
>negro and nigeru are bannable words
I hate twitch with passion

>>17883036
And you can get banned in youtube just by showing a second of baby shark.

>>17883036
They wouldn't do that to someone who gets 1k+ ccv, basic business sense.

>>17882904
Also notifications actually work, almost immediately if you are on the site when someone goes live.

>>17883067
In twitch using the word "simp" is banned. Imagine that
>>17883088
There is literally bunch of instances of big streamers getting banned because they said something that sounded like some slur

>>17883067
>they changed the asian pogchamp face to a black one to "pwn the white supremacists (?)"

Leftists are the absolute worst most dogshit people alive today and their presence drags every medium down. It's like all the worst people formed their own ideology.

>>17882337
>>Better chatting experience
>>Better customer service

>>17883113
>There is literally bunch of instances of big streamers getting banned because they said something that sounded like some slur
Alright post them

>>17882073
Would they be able to do karaoke without getting stricken down? Would they be able to react to stuff on screen? Would the little uptick in live viewers outway the loss in vod views and ad revenue? If the answer is no, then my answer is no.

>>17882073
No, why would they do that since they already have plenty of memebers on youtube.

>>17882494
>baelz
why do koreans like her so much?

>>17882217
No they wouldn’t

>>17883143
Yes, I like talking to customer service where your complains go through one ear and leaves at the other. Yes, I also like seeing walls of text moving.

>>17882599
This!

>>17883165
Her voice acting skills? Who knows

>>17882073
No audience for twich is much more different than audience for YT

>>17883156
https://twitter.com/dexerto/status/1304843048589950979

Hololive would have never become big if they streamed on fucking twitch because twitch would've banned Miko when she said nigga. Like fuck you people for even suggesting this shit.

>>17883041
Growth on twitch sucks though and because they're corporate streamers they have a limited pool of people to collab with or raid.

>>17882073
for HoloEN, yes
for HoloJP and ID, no
Nip, SEAnigs and Indogs hate Twitch

>>17882849
Twitch counts embeds, counts muted tabs, lets you 6x multi-stream and counts tabbed outs.
CCV is irrelevant. Views is what they are paid for. No shit you can get higher CCV when you can open 6 streams, mute and tab out of 5 of them, and only actually be watching one.

>>17882957
There has been a significant cull active since Dec 2020 that has not gone away or lessened at all, but its irrelevant for them actually making money because they are paid based on views not CCV.

>>17882215
I have no idea how it would benefit hololive other then maybe a different rule set, like showing more titty maybe?
For smaller streamers though it's way better, think of the last time youtube recommended you a random 2view stream.

>>17882073
good luck getting the jp viewers to swap over, im sure it was hard enough to get them to dump nico for youtube and i dont think you can work that magic twice

>>17883067
>"b-but censorship is not a slippery slope!" -an idiot

>>17882599
The correct take is to stream to both imo. Why not make some extra cash from Twitch? It would take extra work to simulcast and have mods to keep on top of shit on the Twitch side, but it's not impossible. I know Shibuya Hal simulcasts his shit on the JP vtuber side.

>>17883403
It might be a short term "ooh big CCV numbers" buff but it would be a detriment in the long term because it would eventually be like a constant permanant VOD holocaust since Twitch does not let you keep VOD archives forever, only for a few months.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O8cctZLgIE

Suisei would unironically get banned on twitch for this

>>17882073
Probably a bit more?
The holo model isn't really a thing that can work if given that none of them are actually hardcore on the streaming thing, so they can't exactly 'main' twitch.
But... It might add more to their YT growth.
>>17883504
I thought twitch doesn't let you simulcast if you're twitch partnered.

>>17883525
wtf i can't believe twitch won't let my oshi say nigger. fuck bezos' stupid website

>>17882246
Dude, YouTube is also banned in China, everything is banned in Chinkland

>>17883504
Simulcast is banned for Twitch Partners which is where all the money is. Hal is only an affiliate which earns significantly less than partner.
Partners are also banned from re uploading their full twitch VODs/Archives to youtube, only cut down segments are allowed.

>>17883800
>Partners are also banned from re uploading their full twitch VODs/Archives to youtube
You're a retard who has no idea what they're talking about.
Every Twitch partner can reupload vods to YouTube. You can easily check this for many streamers. Many literally create alt YouTube channels made solely for archiving vods.

>>17882288
Works for Selen

>>17883800
>>17883592
Ah, thanks for the correction. Yea, if it's a no-go for partnered and that's where the money is, I don't see why you would bother except as a method of advertising then.

>>17883970
except he's wrong, you can upload vods and stream content to youtube

>>17883481
some people deserve to be censored, ill start caring when the first amendment is actually in danger

>>17884033
>some people deserve to be censored,
lets start with you faggot

Insanely high amount of retards who know nothing about how Twitch works here.
If Cover ever did decice to make the switch to Twitch then this entire board will do a literal 180 on their position and start suddenly agreeing that Twitch that the best platform just because Hololive would be there.

>>17882073
They should have been open to doing. some streams on twitch like what pikamee is doing.

Instead they bend over to vshitshow.

>>17884161
Unironically it's a problem that VShojo is gonna be the introduction to vtubers to a bunch of the normalfag audiences because they've been starting to interact with some of the large non vtubers on Twitch.

>>17882073
100%
Twitch has a much better interface for discovering new channels.
Especially since they already get in the thousands of views, thousands and thousands of people who barely know shit about vtubers will be seeing them in the top spots for every game they play.

>>17884027
I'm so confused now.

>>17884159
Anon some holos already streamed on twitch, most still hate twitch and twitch chat is still trash and nothing will ever change that

>>17882337
>>Better moderation tools
Youtube has fine moderation tools, you just watch unmoderated chats plus Youtube has nightbot
>>Better chatting experience
The only thing it has better than Youtube is the readability of a fast chat which can be fixed with Hyperchat
>>Better customer service
LMAO NO
>>Can negotiate with Twitch to adjust your take
You cannot negotiate anything and it's the reason why people leave despite being top earners, if you go affiliate you lose certain privileges
>>No YouTube bots that'll strike you at lightspeed
Yeah, instead it's Twitch bots, you are probably too new to streaming to remember the massive VOD deletion that happened

Twitch has the blinding purple screen of death and I will never watch anyone on twitch again because of it.

>>17884033
>because nigger is offensive, we should start censoring negro, black, nigeru, et al. too

>>17884272
You can look at the YouTube channels of Twitch streamers and some of them do upload their vods. Usually they do it on a 2nd channel made solely for vod storage.

>>17882215
Getting banned because a cuckmod decided to permaban you because one of the streamers doesnt like you

>>17882073
>Would hololive be more successful if they streamed on a much smaller platform?
There is an easy answer, but I don't think you are ready for it. hell naw to the naw naw naw

>>17882215
It's the discord version of youtube
If you're a discordnigger then twitch is for you, and go back

>>17884267
Yep. Instead those people who don't know vtubers will instead see VShoujo when a vtuber shows up as a possible stream.

>>17884159
If we're not tribalfagging over what group we watch we're doing it over what website we use.

>>17882288
You got it dayo

>>17884159
>Insanely high amount of retards who know nothing about how Twitch works here.
True, on both sides too.

>>17882215
pepega spam

>>17882215
the chink menace would be purged in less that 1 month if Coco streamed on Twitch. In Youtube she never got ride of them.

>>17882215
literally none

>>17882073
No, because Gura VODs won't show up in recommended.

twitch chatters are way more obnoxious and retarded
for any real vtuber streaming on twitch is a terrible idea

>>17882073
Probably too late now. Cant believe no one in hololive capitalize on the empty vtuber market on Twitch. Now Vshoujo is there.

>>17884267
On Twitch there's zero discoverability unless you're live 24/7. It's a more top heavy system than Youtube's.

>>17882595
Can't you see the same things on YouTube, but it's not as popular because people would rather watch it live?

>>17882073
Nope they wouldn't be as big as they are now. Everyone in the world uses youtube while twitch already made its stance as a streaming website. You can catch a glimpse of their stream while you're casually browsing shit in youtube and that's where the big portion of the market is

>>17884985
Hololive would be in the top.
Being in the thousands of viewers makes you 1000x more visible to new viewers compared to youtube.

What's up with all the twitch shills? Twitch doesn't have a long archive. That is a deal breaker for me.
Are you guys ok with this? Do you all have several hard drives of more than 10tb or what?

>>17885071
Hololive would've never made it to four digit viewers if they started on Twitch.

>>17885071
>>17884985
You have to stream far longer to stay relevant on twitch, and it just risks breaking the boxpush, esp since raids are coming to youtube.
The girls are already having vocal cord/throat problems streaming as long as they do, Their viewers risk getting leeched away by going to twitch without greatly increasing number of hours streamed with would probably wreck someones throat so bad trying to stay relevant they have to graduate.
There is a good reason the saying on twitch is "If you're not live, you're dead"

>>17882337
>Better chatting experience
Emoji spam is a good chatting experience to you?
>Better customer service
Yeah tell that to the streamers that get their account locked for weeks without explanation.
>No YouTube bots that'll strike you at lightspeed
No but you'll have a twitch janny personally come to your stream and demonetize you on the grounds your content is "unfitting" for their website.

>>17882494
No wonder Kiara wants to ingratiate herself with koreans, lol.
Korean Hololive makes much more sense than Spanish Hololive, and I say this as a spanish speaker.

>>17882073
No, they would just be other streamers among many there. The unique culture is the main thing they have going for themselves.

>>17885515
Korean Hololive would actually present a strong reason to use Twitch, at least for a hypothetical HoloKR branch.
Twitch is largely dominant in South Korea for streaming.

>>17885368
>Emoji spam is a good chatting experience to you?
It's not even emoji spam unless you download bttv. It's just nonsense spam unless you get an extension. Kind of a weird call on twitchs end if you ask me. Imagine you join twitch for the first time, and have no idea what bttv is, and 87% of the chat is monkaw it some other text shit that makes zero sense.

>>17885262
Just have a youtube VOD library like some twitch streamers do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyKRiaUC_Jc&list=PLofFZ3kS8Fh-D0s8J1Pp2K0PchYwb_cDa&index=6

>>17885612
Don't they use afreeca

>>17882746
>>17882494
>>17885515
>>17883165
Do Bae and Kiara just stream at better gook times? Ina streams at like 6 am gook time I think. IDK when Kronii streams. IDK what goes on with jap autists and when they decide to donate. I'm assuming Kronii is pacific coast like Ame and that is why the gooks hate Ina more as she is east coast. Fucking shame Ina is sick/internet issues. I want to hear hoinking

that Retard XQC has a 100K concurrent viewers and 95% of the reason is because of the chat experience. I don't find it funny but nearly everyone does.

One advantage to them still using youtube is member streams. Also not being able to gift members let's you see at a glance who in chat pays for member and who doesn't.

>>17882428
I mean when Cover started they still had this mental but with NND instead of youtube. That dead website that has been on life support for 10 years. It took Sora ges to finally get her memebership on Youtube.

>>17885730
Bae streams at whatm 3am PST pretty often? That's 8pm for Koreans.
Bae gives off big "Little Sis Energy" and Kiara gives off some real "Unni" vibes, and the whole cult thing likely also is appealing. Someone who's actually Korean and has a better understanding could probably explain it better.

Ina is almost 99.99% West coast BTW, just off of some of her comments I'm pretty sure.

>>17885840
Twitch does have member only streams but they arent looking down upon for being "jewish".

>>17885864
Ina has a better sleep schedule than Gura and Ame then and a weird as fuck work schedule. Because Ina streams a lot at like 4pm EST which is like 1pm PST. Gura and Ame usually start their streams at like 8pm local time and then gura complains about bad sleep schedual after shot gunning a monster or redbull or expresso while streaming

>>17885911
Anon, surely you mean "They're looked down upon for being "jewish" ".
And yet subathons, which exist soley to farm money, are not only encouraged but celebrated. Twitch can be weird sometimes.

>>17886015
Ina's roommate does work for JP+CN Gacha companies. Pretty sure her schedule goes something like this, starting from 1pm PST/4pm EST -> stream -> Nap -> Start work -> Sleep from 5/6 AM PST -> Noon PST, wake up.

>>17885853
Shit her main member content is still on NND. In fact she's only just migrating her member content to not NND. Some sort of fan site?

>>17886146
is holo money alone not enough to support ina's neet lifestyle?

>>17886524
It's not a matter of money so much as a matter of priorities. Ina was a massive Holofan (and general vtubing fan) before she joined HoloEN. She doesn't necessarily need the money from Hololive and does it because she enjoys it, given what she's worked on and continues to work on. And that's all I'm going to discuss on that point since we're veering into rule 1 territory.

>>17882215
Chat control.
Yes that is literally it.
YouTube’s viewer metrics, size, archiving, industry clout (for sponsors) is 10 billion times greater.

I havent seen anyone mentioning this yet, but raiding is a cute feature, especially for corpo vtubers, redirecting your viewers directly to a colleague is a good way to push the everyone up and retain viewers within the company. Might create some drama over 'she raided X instead of Y, she HATES Y' though

Youtube is implementing something similar, but we dont know when thats coming

>>17885649
Or just stream on YouTube, and have YouTube archive it for you right after said stream ends.

>>17886926
What's the deal with the suits getting pissy when Kronii did the "raid" and forced her to "apologize" for it?

>>17886926
meant for >>17882215

>>17886964
What's funny to me is that youtube streamers have been sending their viewers to other youtube or even twitch streams for years.

For HoloEN, Yes
Reasons that Twitch is better than Youtube include: Better bots, a better community, better extensions and better upfront pay. Since Twitch deals with live streaming, it is also much more engaging than Youtube

>>17882215
A player that actually works, a chat that actually works.

>>17882494
>my girl is as american as apple pie
If only she'd eat meat

>>17885840
Lol

>>17882073
Yes,
for members who don't depend on JP and SEA audiences, even Sana can be more successful on Twitch

>>17888017
The player on twitch sucks, especially for watching vods. But yes the chat integration is better.

>>17887892
>>17886964
It's specifically not vtuber or hololive culture to bring up other streamers when the chuuba you watch isn't doing it on her own volition. And raiding forces them to do just that, when viewers could instead just move to the next stream "organically".
Also, Ame was really upset about some of her audience treating a mention of another chuuba as an invitation to "raid" in her first few months.

>>17882494
Fauna's numbers make me proud.

>>17888355
*specifically vtuber and hololive culture not to bring up
Excuse my ESL.

>>17888225
The VOD watching might be better on youtube, but at least on twitch you don't need 128gb ram to watch streams.

>>17882494
someone make Luxiem's, as they beat HoloEN in the ''EN'' market as some anon claimed kek

>>17882215
For a group like holos or nijis there really isn't one, at least not a big one. Other than QOL stuff twitch is better suited for indies, since you can actually search up streams by the game and tags, which youtube doesn't even care to implement.

>>17888708
I mean the by the game browsing is the youtube auto channel thing at the bottom of gaming videos. By tags would be the # things at the top.

Twitch culture sucks! People in there keep spamming emojis-pepega- every second, like they already forgot how to type an alphabet

>>17888840
sneed and feed OMEGALUL

This thread is a great example of how fucking stupid the mindset you have to be in to prefer YT over Twitch is. "You can't say slurs on Twitch" is a real fucking thing people are arguing lol.

>>17888840
I partially fault BTTV. having custom emotes without restriction for the state of Twitch chats.
It means even greyname equivalents can shit up chat either with the emotes themselves or the script text spammed for anyone that doesnt use BTTV.

>>17882215
Holosummer?

>>17882215
The only thing I can think of is multistream support, not that it particularly matters when we have holodex/jetri

>>17889000
twitch is cringe with its retarded words, and runs bad, objectively trash platform.

>>17888617
Luca

>>17882215
using emotes in every channel, not just the owner's one. Never understood why yt limits the use of emotes like that.

>>17891045
only good for the poor fags, and its not even actualy good as it ends up distracting with the meme emotes

>>17891146
>only good for the poor fags
I'm not talking about BTTV, but the regular emotes for a channel. If you buy those, I see no reason why you shouldn't be able to use them in other channels as well.
Would work great for hololive. In collabs on one channel chat could use the emotes of all participants for example. Stuff like that.

>>17883237
Being able to talk to someone would have been great when that youtube shadowban bug hit. All I could do is tweet to youtube support who gave me information I already knew.

>>17889942
Twitch it is then.

>>17882215
>Real talk
Pinoy detected

>>17882696
CCV Irrelevant? Are you dumb? Potential viewers can see CCV too. They will check the higher one first, just like how people are curious about a crowded store.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atPxkASffF8
Gura already absorb too much attentions without interacting to people on Twitch
I don't think Cover's management team are capable to handle any risks coming from the Twitchfags
>>17891281
Not only chat will be flooded by forsenE, they will be flooded by Pekora's emote too.
I don't think Cover would like this

>>17882244
>>17882282
>>17884763
Literally why Twitch is rubbish

>>17882161
/thread

Come on guys, it should be a no brainer why YouTube Gaming is super dry without VTubers and poaching Twitch's talent while the latter's directory is full of streamers.

>>17882215
where have you people been the last 10 years
it's just like, a streaming platform

>>17883403
>For smaller streamers though it's way better, think of the last time youtube recommended you a random 2view stream.
when was the last time twitch recommended literally anybody? discoverability is twitch's #1 issue for small streamers

>>17885649
>Just have a youtube VOD library like some twitch streamers do.
>just do more work for the same result lol

>>17894000
>when was the last time twitch recommended literally anybody?
What the fuck are you on?
>>17894205
>>just do more work for the same result lol
You know you can link twitch with a youtube channel right so that it automatically upload for you the vod?

If you are not Hololive or Nijisanji or any established company for the matter (and arguably most of them should still consider migrating or stream on both platforms) Twitch is just the superior option. period.

>>17882215
gachi spam

>>17892646
And that's irrelevant in youtube

ITT: globalfags that afraid of the purple website

>>17890618
It's all fucking NTs and HKs

>>17885730
>and the whole cult thing likely also is appealing
yeah they would know kek

>>17894307
But what about if you don't want to do streaming as your primary vtuber activity?

>>17894524
you use youtube? Youtube isn't a streaming site and it show
It's not uncommon for people to stream on twitch, upload music ASMR and other shit on Youtube

>>17888840
That's not very xqcL of you anon

>>17882215
you can add annoying memes or vocals each someone sends some bits or subscribe that ruin the flow of the stream

>>17882073
I hate that fucking jewmazon platform.
>>17882215
More insufferable faggots.

>>17892646
VODs and the algorithm methods such as thumbnail/keywords/title are far more important than CCV for that. Youtube does not rely on high CCV to get suggested like twitch does, it can help draw in people that it gets suggested to, but getting suggested in the first place is far more powerful and important and CCV does very little for that.
A stream with 50k CCV and only 200k views will earn significantly less in ad revenue than a stream with 15k CCV and 500k views, and contrary to most peoples belief supers are outmatched by Membership + Ad Revenue.

>>17882494
>kiara gets more from fucking Korea than EU.
And people wonder why cover doesn't hire more EU chubbas.

Also kinda funny that the canadian girls barely get any CAD but then Sana has it as a third of her SP. Is it really just because shes brown?

>>17896525
Ad revenue is fucking worthless.

>>17896536
the fuck are you on? Kiara gets a massive EU viewership there

>>17884267
no one watches anything that requires you to scroll down. unless you're already well known before joining twitch or playing a game that only 10 people stream you have 0 discoverability and need to shill yourself on other social media and youtube to grow.

>>17886964
hololive's chat rules say don't talk about other streamers in chat and raids lead to chat spamming about another streamer for a minute or two which breaks that rule.

>>17896380
Suzan's retarded website ain't that much better, both stream platforms are shit if you look at their parent companies and what they are doing besides twitch/YT

>>17896684
>viewership
Not the paying kind apparently. Maybe she gets lots of memberships or something but from the supas alone it doesn't look like EU is a great market to expand.

>>17896615
I mean thousands of channels make a living off of ad revenue alone even with much weaker average vod views than the top holos so I wouldn't say its worthless. Not to mention its essentially free passive income.

>>17897143
>I mean thousands of channels make a living off of ad revenue alone
That hasn't been a thing since forever, you should have noticed that most of the youtubers went to streaming or started some other way to earn money.
There's one youtuber that went to streaming I know who said that 1 million views was worth around $80. Of course it depends on the region and I would assume JP streamers get more because they are less likely to use adblocker.

Youtube recommends you clips that then feed you into their channels/vods. It's a loop that has benefitted them massively.

>muh twitch
Have you fags ever tried finding a specific VOD on twitch?
Like opening up a specific channel, going to their videos, gettting that piece of shit site to actually show all the videos, getting a bunch of fucking third-party clips interspersed, search not working for shit, the site not even loading all the fucking VODs despite all of that.
Anyone who pretends Twitch is better as a site is full of shit.

>>17882073
Not really.
>Social Platform
Youtube has much better tools for fostering a community and even though it's not difficult to save vods from twitch, the vast majority of Hololive members will simply forget to do that and bleed videos or lose the views to uploading channels. No more community posts, no more channel recommends of other members or related clip videos. Browsing vods is also an absolute shitter on twitch.
>Exposure
A good chunk of exposure for Hololive isn't currently active streams, it's clips of archives.
Clips on Twitch aren't circulated around nearly as much, unless they go to youtube. Twitch viewers will mostly keep it on the platform though, so Hololive exposure would be left to rot on twitch.
>Visibility
Hololive mostly plays the most recent games or normie shit like MC and Apex, so they won't appear over tournaments, charities and the big dick streamers, so even though Twitch is better for finding stuff, Hololive would get buried. Moreso since Hololive channels (at least on YT) have locale set to Japanese and won't turn up in filtered searches.

>>17882073
twitch cancer is not worth it

>>17882073
yes but the vods system is trash

>>17884385
Is there a reason why don't they store it on their main account?

>>17904662
Because they usually use their main channel for some kind of short edited content. Which is so different from an hours long VoD that it would kill the click through rate of the channel, meaning the algorithm demotes it to hell, never to be seen by anyone.
Obviously not an issue for people who exclusively upload hour long full streams.

>>17882215
it's more gay, and reddit friendly, if you like that

>>17882215
There are some games that have Twitch Integration and it makes pretty fun to play with the input of the chat. For example Vermintide.
But that is the only reason I would want for them to play on Twitch.

>>17882073
Doubt it. The advantage of Twitch is discoverability but everyone already know what Hololive is and if they don't watch it is because they chose not to.

>>17882215
Better discoverability, better emote intergration, better communication.

Only thing youtube has for it is the brute force numbers that many people make mistake in thinking that by sheer userbase alone they can start off with a larger fanbase, which countless times has been proven wrong.

>>17882073
A massive amount of EN's viewership comes from vod views, and youtube is lightyears ahead of twitch in that regard

A reminder that, besides everything else, youtube somehow consumes less resources than twitch. More poorfags watch them, which in turns feeds the algorithm which makes it easier to a possible paypig to find your chuuba.

>>17882215
free money and free subscriptions from oilers
>until YT brings their gifted subscriptions

>>17897348
That is just a pure falsehood, plenty of channels survive still mostly on ad revenue.
That youtuber was one of 3 things: outright lying, living in some actual 3rd world country, or their videos where under 10 minutes which massively reduces payout.
1m views pays out roughly $3.5-4.2k if the videos/archive is >10 minutes. This is known because some of the big streamers have outright shown their analytics dashboard on-stream including views and payout for the video. All of them calculate to roughly ~$4 per 1k views average on streams.

>>17885642
Even without BTTV you can get emoji spam.

>>17882073
no

>>17882073
This requires them streaming in the first place

>>17882073
Use 4chan

>>17882696
>true CCV
that doesn't exist

>>17884430
This. I got banned over the stupidest shit

>>17920089
It does, it's on the backend that only the streamer can see.

>>17920089
It does, Botan, Towa, Shibuya Hal have all talked about it. It is only shown to the streamer in their analytics page for the particular video.
Youtube takes 48 hours to verify CCV and the actual CCV shows up in their analytics after that time.
It is how we know that Towa's live, which had a displayed CCV of only 23k peak had an actual peak of over 80k, because she specifically mentioned this in a membership stream.
Botan also talked about this, I believe it was the Metal Wolf Chaos with 6k peak had an actual peak of ~15k+ according to her analytics.
Shibuya Hal outright posted analytics on twitter to complain about the mismatch.

>>17882215
>Real talk
Hello, Jordan.

>>17882073

>>17923879
what is this a post for shrimps

>>17882215
Discoverability, custom emotes, no # nerfs
>>17884985
Sure, because no one ever searches for specific tags or games?

>>17882073
Nah

>>17925191
>Sure, because no one ever searches for specific tags or games?
Yes.

>>17925191
Twitch search of tags and games only shows currently live channels as the default unless you switch from Live Channels tab each time you search.
So unless you are actually live 24/7 you will not show up on the default page for searches which greatly lowers discoverability.
Twitch also does not suggest archives either, only live channels, further reducing the chance the average user finds you.

>>17882746
>>Ina and Kronii unloved by their people
Why aint they more loved by their people?

>>17882215
Twitch culture of POGS and less discussion (less need to read chat, just need moderators)

>>17882215
Copyright.

>>17882426
Is the Annoying Orange the Diogenes of vtubing?

>>17882073
They should instead look into streamlabs to keep all the money from superchats because google takes a 30% cut.

>>17882073
There's only one streamer I've ever tolerated Twitch for and he ain't in Hololive. Don't know if they'd be more successful but I wouldn't bother following.
Then again, I don't watch HoloEN much to begin with. Mostly just Gura and IRyS.

>>17884298
>massive VOD deletion
I remember that. I lost YEARS of my streams because of that shit. I basically quit after building up a small group because of that and the 1minute lag that happened years ago. That was demoralizing.