/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>1767669
I took the time to make a new fucking pastebin and then forgot to link it goddammit
https://pastebin.com/AJLkFrGK

>>1653799
forgot the previous thread op

>>1759654
i don't think there's a setting for that in the free version, but the paid one was like $3 so i decided to buy it, and the 2.1.3 version a more fleshed out motion control panel, pic rel, there are my settings

Post character designs.

>>1768013
i would if my skeb artist finally gets back to me with my commission

>>1767898
anonchama... that's the previous previous thread
>>1710866 is what you're looking for

>>1768013
i doodled an idea that's been stuck in my head
dont wanna vtube yet though, focus is on designing for other people at the moment

>>1768078
thanks anon sorry for being an idiot

>>1768013
since you asked so nicely anon

>>1768261
Astolfo chan

>Making up a design document/reference to send to character designers
>Want a design based mostly on an animal anime person, something like shartemis, nyanners or watame
>Realise my visual references is just pictures of said animal and my word document is just vague descriptions of physical traits I like that would be cool if they could work it into the design
Am I retarded and doing this wrong or is this actually how it's supposed to go when comissioning from designers? I feel like I'm not being clear enough but I don't really have any specific ideas for what clothing, accessories or minor physical traits I'd want to see

>>1768013
I feel like I'd be cheating by posting my latest one. I had the character done up for a /tg/-related game so it's just a matter of waiting on artists to get to me in their queue for a Live2D version

>>1768280
I dont really see it other then the fact astolfo and my character both have pink hair

>>1768626
Look for an anime character that has like the features of the type you want, like eye and hair colour and length and all that, and attach that as a reference.

Alternatively, you can use Picrew

the fuck should male vtubers wear?
male envtubers
>suit
>suit
>suit
>suit but with no tie
>hoodie jacket
>suit
>suit

>>1769336
really whatever they want
the majority of female vtubers wear nice proper/pretty clothing too

>>1769336
b-but anon... suits are cool...

>>1769336
The lack of creativity never fails to blow my mind

>>1768758
The Picrew recommendation was a good idea anon. There weren't any with the animal I've picked unsuprising because it's a fish but I was able to make pic related. Hopefully I can steer in a clear direction now.

>>1768626
If you know a Pokémon that is resembling your animal of choice, maybe try searching the name of it + gijinka or moemon and look what the image results show up. Then you are going to borrow some parts of the designs...
Also for clothing/armor specific parts, the Monster Hunter series does something similar like the concept above; almost all armor sets in the game will be somewhat of a "gijinka" version of the monster connected to it. There is a wide variety of boss monsters in the series from mammal "dragons" and dinosaurs to insects. Maybe there is some fitting inspiration for clothing among them.

>>1769514
>gijinka
I never knew this term existed and it's basically exactly what I'm looking for. Extremely fucking useful, cheers anon.

>>1768756
Yeah I don't see it either

>>1769656
It's different from kemonomimi/anthropomorphism term in the way of the character is just wearing accessories and clothes imitating something what isn't human, but the character still stays its own species (which should be most likely human) and shouldn't have something left on its body after being undressed.
Kemonomimi have natural animal ears and tails, perhaps even things like fur and antlers grown from their own body. They may wear similar clothing like a gijinka, but after "undressing" they still own animal parts.
Remember the classic scale

>>1769336
flex on them and go shirtless

>>1769932
I see. I suppose technically I would be in the 'not furry' section, since I still intend for the character to have minor features of the animal if they were undressed, like a tail and antennae, but I also want their clothing to visually aid in the idea of selling "I'm this creature", which from the searches I've done since I found out about it, Gijinka does a great job at.
>>1770021
Pretty sure terms of service mean you technically can't go shirtless with your avatar unfortunately

>>1770021
BE CREATIVE

>>1770246
>Pretty sure terms of service mean you technically can't go shirtless with your avatar unfortunately
fuck

How long should I wait for an artist to get back to me about my inquiry before moving on?

It's been almost a week since I sent her the info, but it was an entire week between our first messages too

>>1769336
Creative options for male V-Tubers is a lot smaller of a field than female ones, men in general have much fewer styles of clothing/fashion. Stretching it, guys are generally stuck with suits, hoodie/jacket, or some shitty JRPG protag kirito garbage, even JP ones are stuck in this kind of rut.

The most "creative" male designs are just RPG class costumes or occupational uniforms anyway. Ninja, Hero/Knight, Samurai, Coffee Shop/Bartender (which is just a suit usually), or "vaguely military" You've got whatever onions herbivore-male shit Kanae is wearing, but that's really about it most of the time. You can only wear a suit so many different ways in so many different colors or themes.

>>1770246
>>1770325
>Pretty sure terms of service mean you technically can't go shirtless with your avatar unfortunately

There's nothing TOS about it, man nips are fine you'll just look stupid and have a boring design.

>>1770513
Nipples of any variety are definitely TOS on Twitch.

>Catboy
>Shirtless buff guy
>Orc
>Mecha
>Dapper guy in a suit

BOYS PLEASE BE CREATIVE
YOU CAN DO SO MUCH BETTER THAN THIS

>>1770246
There are many other niche terms for every single thing, but general speaking you can summarize any human character wearing something strange, animal-like a gijinka, any character with animal ears a Kemonimimi and if a character doesn't really fit both terms above, simply calling it a monster girls (if its female) should always hit the spot, it's the fusion of both terms above and includes even things like mythological creatures to lovecraftian abominations with just a pair of breasts and a face drawn on it.
Anyway I think this would be enough talking about the rights terms, you found creative inspiration with gijinka and that's already good enough.

>>1770631
what would be 'creative'?

>>1770663
Mecha orc in a suit

>>1770668
This but unironically. That would actually be incredible

>shirtless buff catboy orc in a mech suit is "creative"

>>1770631
They are, you’re just not looking.

Are there any good vocal exercises or methods to make you sound more feminine?

>>1770718
What are some examples?

>>1770663
The fact that you can't come up with anything else is a bad sign

Off the top of my head:
>Golden age comics style superhero with a Homelander looking design
>A totem pole with arms. You can rig all three faces to talk at once or do a split personality thing
>Doctor Jeckle and Mister Hyde inspired mad scientist, with a design reminiscent of corrupted Zamasu from dbs

>>1770721
im sure they would be pretty easy to find if you just look a little

>>1770733
all of those sound like shit vtubers and more suited to traditional rantsonas and prerecorded youtube skits

>>1770733
>>Doctor Jeckle and Mister Hyde inspired mad scientist, with a design reminiscent of corrupted Zamasu from dbs
Like pic related but with a science experiment gone wrong backstory?
That's not bad

>>1770733
This post is a great example of "creative" not being synonymous with "good"

>>1770733
>>1770785
The totem pole is bad but the other two are good.
Actually the totem pole would work too but you it would take forever to find a design that works

>>1770806
Kayfabe RP is not what the majority of ENVtuber viewers are looking for, it's a community/friend, girlfriend, or boyfriend experience, a more genuine personality. What people here like and what a majority of what people watch English vtubers for are different than what they watch Japanese vtubers for. It's why all the bigger ones are just genuine/realistic personalities, even the ones faking it. RP gimmicks are tiring and there's very little reason to stick to them.

>>1770806
they're all terrible, anon.

>>1770733
>>A totem pole with arms. You can rig all three faces to talk at once or do a split personality thing
Now I kinda want a Quintesson chuuba

>>1770861
Mad scientist and superhero are too broad of a concept to possibly consider bad without any more information

Let me guess. You're an orc?

>>1768013
Don't have mine yet. Gotta find a good artist that fits the style. Anyone know an artist that does something close to George Kamitani's art style? Not really the proportions as much.

>>1770879
what >>1770852 said.
just having a unique kayfabe does not make sense since that's never the reason people watch vtubers. you think people tune into gura for the Atlantis escapee kayfabe?

>>1770879
Anything that requires a "character" or roleplay to completely pilot is a bad idea. Gimmicks only last so long.

>>1770951
>>1770975
That's true, but it doesn't hurt to have a design that stands out. Nobody is saying you need to be in character the whole time, it's not like Guar is pretending to be a shark all stream.

>>1771031
>That's true, but it doesn't hurt to have a design that stands out.
there's a difference between standing out and ending up Sonic donut steel OC with clashing colors number 68355

>>1771065
And you think that a design based on golden age superheros would fall into that category?

For male designs I think it's best to steer towards chuuni, even if you're not playing the role. Not "Kirito Trenchcoat" fag shit but just something just a bit over the top or just clearly tongue-in-cheek.

Dudes are typically trying to live out some gay power fantasy so a lot just go for whatever shitty sex-demon or ripped FFXIV avatar or suave butler and can't fit the role. Granted their personalities are so bland or autistic that it doesnt matter what their design it.

>>1771096
that goes into the "shit vtuber, decent rantsona" category. the other two are donut steels.

>>1771131
>that goes into the "shit vtuber, decent rantsona" category
But an orc doesn't, huh?
I fail to see where the line is drawn.

>>1771156
trying to force kayfabe into vtubing is trash.

>>1771156
they're both shit

what happened to "model dosent matter personality does"

>>1771219
Nobody is saying you need to roleplay as a superhero any more than you need to roleplay as an orc

>>1771251
the original argument was that the anon implied that having kayfabe is what makes good character design. they're completely separate and kayfabe on its own doesn't matter.

people watch vtubers for streamer interactions not to watch a scripted tv show.

>>1771238
The personality does matter, but when your character is a huge part of your branding it matters as well. First thing people see perceive is your character, before they even touch your channel and in lots of cases before they even touch the streaming platform if you're networking properly. After that comes your audio, and if it passes that "yeah this is fine/not garbage, i can listen to this for a bit" then comes personality.

Character design is what got Artemis where they are. Even if they've literally hemorrhaged viewers, they're still bigger than anyone from here will ever be and they're one of the biggest indie ENvtubers period, as much as people don't like to admit it.

Don't bother retards, you will never be a woman

>>1771326
Original poster here, and I was just trying to say that male vtubers are incredibly lazy with their design inspiration

>>1771329
I don't think anyone here is trying to be a woman, you'll have to come back when the topic shifts to babinikus again.

Am I the only one that actually gives a crap about Kayfabe? Really bothers me when people just break it so casually all the time and EN chuubas seem to do this a ridiculous amount
>yeah my character design is great
>whoops, my model is bugging out haha
>my IRL self is pretty uggo guys
>haha I guess I'm a pretty lousy (insert character stereotype), ay guys?
Is the only reason people watch vtubers because of the gf/bf experience? Keeping keyfabe isn't hard, it's literally just role playing.

>>1771328
Its a balanced argument. Nina who is a streamer who literally worked herself into high viewership would probably be in 600+ viewers area by now if she had the model of Artemis' scale.

>>1771358
I think a lot of vtubers are, it's just more apparent because of the lack of options guys have. Absolutely hit up a character designer. Not someone to design your character, but an artist that specifically works with character design. I found mine after some deep, deep diving on Skima and browsing profiles on Twitter, took all of a few weeks but I've very happy with mine.

>>1771096
I think one of the issues that comes with superheroes is the "buff guy" thing which carries preconceived notions to begin with. I'm not trying to be a twink, but I definitely don't wanna be some buffed out muscly superhero, it's not the feeling most people want to portray. I think character design should match your personality, not be something that a personality needs to fill.

>>1771326
>>1771328
Important to remember there are three steps to streaming:

1) Making people click onto your stream
2) Making people stay/come back again
3) Making people actually pay money

Designs are what do the job for part 1 (and the character, thus kayfabe, is part of that package), but part 2 is entirely your content & personality. So you ideally need both to be successful. Part 3 is mostly an extension of part 2, but is heavily modified by what your viewer base sees as value for money.

>>1771390
Eh, it really depends on how much you want to lean into the character. Most just use it as a 'filter' over themselves. Going pure "never break fourth wall" stuff is incredibly rare. Mostly due to it being difficult to keep up (once broken theres really no going back) but also it doesn't really... add much. Unless thats a core part of your content, I guess. Talking about you're IRL self would be strange regardless though, even no matter how little your kayfabe is kept up.

I feel like it would be pretty easy to mix in Kayfabe with your actual personalty its not like you have to change yourself to drastically to just stay in character and not break the 4th wall

>>1771390
yes. no one else cares about kayfabe and trying to force it as a vtuber will fail. indies especially.

>>1767669
>too poor to buy a picture
>too untalented to make my own
>b-but I'm good at games!
The dream is dead.

>>1771390
Yes, and roleplaying almost nonstop for upwards of 5+ hours straight every other day or more is tiring. If people cared about kayfabe than the biggest ENs wouldn't all be people who don't do it. Almost all the way down to the bottom, kayfabe isn't what ANY audience is looking for. It's not the creators' fault, it's the demographic. GFE/BFE isn't always the thing people want, it's more often just a chill place to hang out.

>>1770733
You literally included the reason those aren't unique.
>steal a design
So creative!!!

>>1771496
i believe in you anon hell im not even good at games and im still going for it i know you can do it somehow anon

>>1771449
if you want kayfabe, make a rantsona. don't be a vtuber.

>>1771450
It can be, but I genuinely don't think many people vtubing have very interesting personalities worth expanding upon outside of "Eh, they're nice and I like them".

>>1771449
Kayfabe is next to worthless. The only major person its served is Zentreya and that's because their core audience came from RP back in the day.

1 is character design and proper advertising

2. is personality and audio, but kayfabe is more of a negative than a plus because the demographic just isn't as big and done wrong (which most people do because its more often than not cringe) is worse than just not playing a role at all. People watch EN indies for a relatable experience. They want to be part of the group, it's also why very few people lose traction once they gain it, because they're building a community that they just need to keep consistency growing instead of innovating to get attention.

3. You're right about this one, it's just an extension of 2.

>>1770733
you could shit up bad ideas done in a lazy "creative" attempt
OR
you could just learn how to stream and be entertaining, and see if it you have an affinity for being an entertainer, not everyone can

>>1771738
Be more creative with your design

>>1771390
I care but for vtubing its dead, people are too much themselves there.
I hope we do get a day vtuber streams become reality shows where everyone of us is just roleplaying a character online with virtual reality technology

>>1771529
where does he say anywhere to steal a design

>>1771800
If you use very recognizable and old characters to describe your new character, instead of any actual physical descriptions, it's uncreative as fuck.
>yeah its... superman/homelander!(isn't homelander already this parody?)
>nono wait its.... jekyll and hide and this DBZ character!
Wow dude you're blowing my mind with this creativity. The second one is creative but also its shit.

>>1771800
he's calling out anon for saying vtubers should be creative and then steals character designs that are already popular in modern culture (superhero, mad scientist)

>artist friend has some sketches ready to see how to move forward with the design I have in mind
It's a very small thing, but exciting nonetheless

>>1771879
based

>>1771613
I was never really saying that kayfabe is super important, just that its a thing in general. I consider any amount of character 'lore' that you bounce off of some level of kayfabe. Just a really transparent kayfabe. I honestly have no interest in 'playing a role', just use the kayfabe as a way to dance around IRL shit (like how Calli refers to work as "reaping lessons").

I was also thinking about making a pastebin of my thoughts/advice/experiences for Twitch stream moderating. Been a moderator for 3 years now of a streamer that's partnered now (and thus all the internal discussions & experiments the streamer tried to build their channel), and don't know how many people here have any experience really running a show. Community management is a very important part of running a channel.

>>1771946
A lot of people here seem to be super against any community interaction outside of stream, it'll be what kills them in the end.

>>1771792
Google "Ascension Academy" and "Callous Row". What you want is VRChat RP, it's been a thing for 3 years and it's pretty lame.

>>1771776
mine is a visual novel character who streams with only text on a VN UI overlay, and changes appareances on stream according to her own visual novel endings.
Who has done that?

>>1772072
Well in that case they need to get over their hangups. You can't just have a twitch account and nothing else. That's just flat out bad for many reasons, both community building and moderation.

>>1772092
Mute streamers are boring

>>1772072
I don't think anyone here has a community to interact with and this is the first time I'm hearing that. what are you even talking about, anon?

>>1772092
Corpse_ch?

>>1772163
There's a ton of anti-discord sentiment and it's where the majority of community building off-stream happens, aside from occasional twitter posts.

>>1772267
the anti discord sentiment is in regards to starting a /auds/ discord. the point of the board is to get harsh anonymous critique. your own channel can have a discord, I don't give a shit.

Any artists/riggers here? I'm an artist interested in potentially doing some 2DLive stuff for aspiring Vtubers on commission but I was wondering if it's worth the time and effort to learn the process. I probably wouldn't become a Vtuber myself (I already have a sizeable following and "debuting" on my already established twitter would feel weird) but I was wondering if there's an actual market for 2D models.

>>1772086
>Ascension Academy
Chips and his harem getting invited into rp storylines when they had no clear desire to devote fully to it always pissed me off. Feels like Sachi and his crew were the only ones who could rp, and even then they had off days.

>>1772391
There definitely is. There's actually a huge huge demand for good artists.

>>1772092
that actually really sounds like a cool fucking idea anon holy shit

>>1772391
the people who get rich during a gold rush are the ones selling the shovels and pickaxes

>>1772391
For every one good artist there are 3 people looking for good art, and 20 bad artists for them to settle on.
It's a huge market to get into right now as long as you are legitimately talented

>>1768013
Been streaming with it as a png vtuber

>japanese vtuber that just drinks a lot and goes on rants about booze
>36k followers
would an envtuber that drinks a lot and goes on rants about booze work?

link related: https://twitter.com/hakuno_imasaka

>>1772779
I like this. I'd bet once it's rigged it will be even better

>>1772804
I want to commission to a decent artist and then commission to a live2d rigger but I'm low in cash since I'm a Filipino so I make way with what I have

Anybody know a good resource for free props and stuff?

>>1773073
it's in the op... well, the pastebin under the OP

>>1773123
Thanks I'm retarded

I'm gonna make it
I'm gonna make it
I'm gonna make it
I'm gonna make it

>>1770625
so i just have to hide my nips then?

>>1762590
i submitted the audition the 2nd or 3rd day it opened
not sure when they decide to view each

>>1772790
>would an envtuber that drinks a lot and goes on rants about booze work?
I mean, that's kind of one of my planned main focuses for content, so I fucking hope so. Though the actual 'drunk' part not so much, it takes too much for me to get drunk for that to be a thing I regularly do on stream. And I'll mostly be drinking/discussing spirits.

>>1773667
load up on cheap bottom shelf vodka to get drunk then sip the good stuff after you've hit a buzz. i don't know what youtube's or twitch's rules about drinking on stream is though. do you just mark your stream as "mature audiences" and hope that's good enough?

>>1773723
I have no real interest in being "drunk" all the time, I just like to drink. I should really keep vodka on hand though, its good for some casual drinking when mixed with various other things.

>do you just mark your stream as "mature audiences" and hope that's good enough?
This is something I seriously need to sit down and think about. While overall the content isn't really "mature", obviously I can't have young'ins talking openly about booze. However, I think it would be good to teach them responsible drinking rather than the usual discourse of "just don't do it". Because they will, and it'll probably be absolute trash booze instead of something decent to start with.

>>1773853
> I think it would be good to teach them responsible drinking
that's a pretty solid take on it. hope it works out anon.

>>1772418
Fucking hell, haven't heard that name for years now. The RP was there, just wasn't that great like (you) said

>>1770625
https://www.twitch.tv/p/en/legal/community-guidelines/sexualcontent/#nudity-and-attire

>For those who present as women, we ask that you cover your nipples. We do not permit exposed underbust. Cleavage is unrestricted as long as these coverage requirements are met.

>>1774200
looks like male nips are fine then. but if you're concerned, just ask the artist to remove the nips. no nips, no problems.

>>1769336

Yukatas, kilts, dungarees, tactical vests, bandoliers, neckerchiefs, I dunno anon. Hell, even suits or hoodies can look interesting so long as you put a thematic spin on them. You could have suit jackets made of snakeskin or PVC with a yellow and black warning tape themed design. Hoodies could be oversized or cut short, or have giant toggles or a hood that goes over your head like an executioner. In the event that you go shirtless, you could spice up your design with something like woad or henna or unusual scars. Hell, why not just have your arms covered in fucking bees like those videos of beekeepers holding a queen bee in their hand?

>>1772418
Invited? He was the one who started it. The only reason anything got done was because of the map makers, it would've bombed a few months from the start without them.

>>1773318
this isnt your character is it? a Fate character knockoff?

>>1774877
i just pick a random shirtless anime dude with nips covered off google

>>1774796
Japanese traditional fashion is pretty overdone too. Kilts are too specific to one theme (highlander/warrior), and there's no shortage of military wannabe trannies (a popular hobby amongst them for some reason). It's all just the same handful of outfits.

I have since graduated, but people either loved it or hated it so I retired the design. I made a redesign but decided to just drop it and restart

>>1774995

>>1769336
Lumberjack flannel shirt with an open neck that shows your chest hair. Warning, though, it has equal chance of attracting homos alongside women.

>>1775063
>attracting homos alongside women.
until you open your mouth and sound like every other 20 something suburban white kid with a nasally voice

>>1774995
>>1775039
I think both of these look really neat. Looks like something I'd expect to see in No More Heroes or something, but with a softer face.

>>1775240
I did a lot of tcg content so I wanted to show that quickly so a reference I included was Kaiba's battle city outfit.

>>1775101
I'm thirty years old next month and used to sing bass in a choir.

>>1775368
I only have a passing knowledge of Yu-Gi-Oh, but I do see a resemblance now that you mention it. Still, that sounds cool. What tcgs did you cover?

>>1775468
Not that anon, but I wonder how many of us here are 30+.

>>1775603
I played mtg arena and trying to spread force of will around. I was a top 100 player in teppen but I got tired of streaming it.

>>1775368
>>1775658
Do you have any tips you could give for doing TCG content specifically as a vtuber? That's kinda where I want to gear my channel.
>I wanted to show that quickly so a reference I included was Kaiba's battle city outfit.
Do you think the Yugioh specific influence helped or hurt in any way with doing things that aren't Yugioh?

>>1775039
Why are the eyes and mouth simply pasted over the face?

>>1776230
how's how live2d models work. they're kept separate so you can deform them to imitate movement. the more you blend it in with the rest of the face, the more work it is.

>>1776255
Sorry, this looks wrong no matter what you say

>>1776255
Sorry, this looks wrong no matter what you say
Forgot to resize

>>1776348
lmao fuck i didn't even see those, yeah that's pretty crap.

>>1776382
I assume they're using prprlive since that's fairly common on it... except at that resolution it shouldn't be visible at all.

from the previous thread
Questions to ask:
1 - what do you want before you die? (what's your vision for this project)
2 - why did you decide to create this character?
3 - what are you trying to create for the viewers? (and why is that important to you?)
4 - what kind of viewers / audience do you want?
5 - what is the focus of your channel? (what is integrity, authenticity for you? just transactional viewers as money?)
6 - is the brand you are building something that makes you happy? (do you have a plan to get there? begin with the end in mind)

>>1776191
Most people didn't notice. For tcg content I would suggest picking a digital card game. I did a few camera things like unboxing and case openings. I would suggest making it a recurring thing in your schedule but not the only content.

>>1777243
plans are for losers lmao

>>1777243
>1 - what do you want before you die? (what's your vision for this project)
My biggest goal is to be able to get through and reteach the instructional content of the Genki textbooks on stream
>2 - why did you decide to create this character?
As teaching was one of my primary focuses for streaming, I wanted my character to look like someone that could be some kind of scholar
>3 - what are you trying to create for the viewers? (and why is that important to you?)
For the teaching streams, an environment where people can learn and also not feel hesitant to ask questions. I could easily just regurgitate the information I study but I want to also make sure that the viewers can understand what I'm actually talking about as well. For other streams, just a comfy environment I guess?
>4 - what kind of viewers / audience do you want?
An audience that is interested in what I'm teaching/playing, mostly.
>5 - what is the focus of your channel? (what is integrity, authenticity for you? just transactional viewers as money?)
I never went into this expecting money; my focus has always been on the teaching aspect and I think as long as I have those streams where people are engaged and asking questions, then I can personally feel fulfilled in my work
6 - is the brand you are building something that makes you happy? (do you have a plan to get there? begin with the end in mind)
I think being known as "that vtuber that also is kind of like a teacher" and being recognized as such by other indies that i talk with does make my happy. I think the current end goal is to finish the curriculum, beyond that I don't have any specific plans.
>>1768013
here you go

>>1777243
>1 - what do you want before you die? (what's your vision for this project)
For a life goal, I want to try as many types of alcohol as possible. For a stream goal... well mostly want to share that experience with others, as well as play some games.

>2 - why did you decide to create this character?
It's an aesthetic I like that matches my temperment and the type of content I want to create. Still need to get it actually designed though.

>3 - what are you trying to create for the viewers? (and why is that important to you?)
I want to make a comfortable environment, where I can discuss alcohol with viewers or chat in general. Also to enjoy older games, as well as diablo style games and metroidvanias. I'd also like to be able to give advice to anyone I can, if possible.

>4 - what kind of viewers / audience do you want?
Honestly anyone that can mesh with the above will be welcome, but I figure overall a more mature audience will be the predominant group.

>5 - what is the focus of your channel? (what is integrity, authenticity for you? just transactional viewers as money?)
I'd rather build a good community, actually making money is a secondary (or even tertiary) concern for me since I have a full time job that pays well enough to fund hobbies.

>6 - is the brand you are building something that makes you happy? (do you have a plan to get there? begin with the end in mind)
I don't know if I have a plan specifically. I have a content strategy mostly defined, but for the most part I want to start streaming and see what needs to change from there. The proper planning will probably start after that point. But this whole idea is something I absolutely want to do, even after giving it time to settle in my head I'm psyched up for the concept.

>>1777243
>1 - what do you want before you die? (what's your vision for this project)
Honestly dont know about this one
>2 - why did you decide to create this character?
because i honestly really like the aesthetic i have going and im really surprised no other vtuebr has really gone for it
>3 - what are you trying to create for the viewers? (and why is that important to you?)
>4 - what kind of viewers / audience do you want?
Just people who want to have a fun time and enjoy what i put out
>5 - what is the focus of your channel? (what is integrity, authenticity for you? just transactional viewers as money?)
I want to show people games that i feel should have more attention to them and share my childhood with other people because i just want to show people the things i enjoy
>6 - is the brand you are building something that makes you happy? (do you have a plan to get there? begin with the end in mind)
I have no plan what so ever lmao but i still look forward to when i actually start streaming and feel i have a 50 50 chance of flopping or actually achieving my goals

>>1777243
1- My vision is to refine the skills that I currently have while creating content that I myself, and others can enjoy.

2- Honestly, it's not so much of a character than it is myself. It's just how I choose to present myself.

3- I explore a variety of games I haven't played before for the first time, as well as make reviews for them. I also practice voice acting by playing through narrative based games, which is fun because I can do a variety of outlandish voices.

4- Just people that really like a variety of video games, honestly. I don't like Minecraft or Apex, so if people are tired of those, well, I'm here.

5- Not quite sure if I understand the question, but I really want to get better as an entertainer. I honestly don't mind not having that many views, just so long as the ones that stick around enjoy what they see. If I'm able to make money streaming, then that's cool, it'd make it easier for me to make more content and I'd be extremely grateful.

6- I'd say that it is something that makes me happy. I don't think I have much of a specific plan as far as publicity goes, but I've got my content planned out at the very least.

>>1768013
I'm nice, simple, and bitter. Bitter as the coffee in my veins.

>>1768013
Normally I'm too nervous to post mine but might as well since everybody else is
Final version should be coming in a couple days

>>1778038
isn't there another /wvt/ who also does the "dress up with half mask" thing?

>>1778038
Well that's embarrassing, used some of my oldest samples from model artist so it didn't have proper transparency. Here's some lovely promo art instead.

>>1777243
1. Death not being a factor, I want to see my smug visage spoken about.

2. Decide is not how I'd put it, it more-so happened on it's own back in my tabletop days.

3. A smug fun loving community is the best and important. You have to have fun, or else what's the point of life?

4. The type that can take and deal jokes like no other, cursed images, memes, the kind of people who can confidently roll with the punches.

5. Making a fun, yet sporadic place to let loose the stress of life together. If I could do it full time I would, it's just so cathartic to make others happy.

6. Always. The coffee blooded man of the shadows will be happy from start to end.

>>1778289
Scott, yeah. I actually met him on a vtuber discord though we haven't discussed much. Funny, he's the opposite side of the face and has a more high-tech appearance. I'm the more old fashioned classical type.

>>1778336
>. Funny, he's the opposite side of the face and has a more high-tech appearance.
not the one i was thinking about, but now that makes 3

>>1778359
Ah. well double funny. I just realized that said person I was speaking of also has the same model creator. How did I not know..?

i got a view on a stream vod and was kinda hype but turns out that monitoring your stream from the dashboard counts as 1 view, so it's just me.

>>1777243
>1 - what do you want before you die? (what's your vision for this project)
In a broad sense, I want to leave some kind of mark, even if it's as a footnote in the history of a subculture, that shows that I lived. Even if my actual human body will die someday, a character and what it may mean to other people is something that can carry on for eternity. In a more specific sense, I hope that through sharing my experience to an audience, I can grow, as a person, as a competitive player, and eventually as a creator in a different sense.
>2 - why did you decide to create this character?
I'm still in the process of working out my design, but I believe that what I have planned will be something that represents a passion that carried me through life. A representation of a constant that keeps me moving
>3 - what are you trying to create for the viewers? (and why is that important to you?)
>4 - what kind of viewers / audience do you want?
This is honestly something I struggle to answer, but something I've noticed as I began to become more engrossed in card games is that people tend to become very tribal about what they view as "their" game. My hope is that I can provide an avenue for that sort of tribal player to reach across the aisle and find something they can value in a game they're unfamiliar with, and even shake off some of my own biases in the process, but as far as presenting that idea to people, I have no clue.
>5 - what is the focus of your channel? (what is integrity, authenticity for you? just transactional viewers as money?)
This somewhat ties into the last point, but I want to provide a place where people who are steadfast at grinding X and people who are steadfast at grinding Y can find the Z to reconcile their joys and frustrations.
>6 - is the brand you are building something that makes you happy? (do you have a plan to get there? begin with the end in mind)
Even though I've barely gotten out of the gate, and haven't even broken ground on the vtuber front yet, if I wasn't happy with what I was doing, I wouldn't do it. I have a general idea of what I want to do and where I want it to lead, but I don't necessarily know if I'd call it a plan.

>>1776978
The rigger probably had Live2D automatically resize the art upon importing the PSD or setting up the texture atlas, resulting in those weird marks.

>>1780264
sounds like a bad rigger

>>1780366
Resizing transparent pixels does that, if the artist resized it, they could fix it too.

>>1777243
>1 - what do you want before you die? (what's your vision for this project)
i want to make people happy and raise money for my little sister's college fund
>2 - why did you decide to create this character?
honestly i've had all of my character concepts for a very very long time since i've been working on world building for six years now
>3 - what are you trying to create for the viewers? (and why is that important to you?)
i'm trying to make a spot for them to relax and hang out, it's important to me because i understand what its like to need to put something on to just relax
>4 - what kind of viewers / audience do you want?
the kind that i can talk to during stream in a casual manner
>5 - what is the focus of your channel? (what is integrity, authenticity for you? just transactional viewers as money?)
i dont know what the thing in parenthesis means, but the focus of my channel would just be games that i like
>6 - is the brand you are building something that makes you happy? (do you have a plan to get there? begin with the end in mind)
yes, it makes me happy, i dont really know what 'the end' would be like but i have a beginning in mind, im more of a 'go-with-the-flow' and relax type of person

>>1781965
>i want to make people happy and raise money for my little sister's college fund
i hope you make it anon i truly really hope you do

>>1781989
thank you, it means a lot to hear that there's support for me
i dont think i'm going to get too far with my current set up (just a small laptop), but i'm hoping with time i'll get a computer that can run my model and stream games at the same time ;u;
(i've also recently been thinking of rebranding into a 'trap' due to the high pitched nature of my voice, and to avoid the male debuff that i've been hearing about all over)

>>1782043
male debuff isn't real, male streamers are just a majority and a large number of them don't put in any effort, so it's mostly a perspective thing

>>1774925
>>military wannabe trannies
List me some examples of these vtubers.

>>1782043
Sending all of my love and support, Anon

>>1782072
ahh! it's good to know it's not real, i still think having an alt account might be a good idea though
just so i can have something a little more... professional? if that makes sense. all of my art is done by myself, and not very impressive at that, i feel like a 'prettier' account would help me reach my main goals faster/easier
>>1782156
thank you so much ^^ !! <3

>>1782043
if thats your model then i just wanna say that it looks absolutely amazing and i mean it

>>1782248
yes that's my model !!
it's very nice to know someone likes the art i did (though, i'm not the one that rigged it, haha, live2d is hard)

>>1782264
>it's very nice to know someone likes the art i did
your gonna make it anon... i can feel it

>>1782043
If you ever need help with some OBS setup or trying to free up some resources to stream the best your setup can handle, I'm willing to give a helping hand. You seem like you've got the drive to go on up.

>>1782291
every bit of encouragement helps! if you're an aspiring vtuber, i'm sure you'll make it too!!
>>1782306
that might actually help... every time i stream i go through the task manager and just turn off everything i'm not using in order to stream, but i've found that for some reason whenever i run my model it makes the stream drop so many frames and lag...
i think it's the memory usage because i checked task manager after a stream and the memory usage was VERY high for some reason. cpu was around 20% so i know it wasnt that, and i'm on college wifi so if that's the problem i don't think i'll be able to fix it

>>1782383
I've been using PRPR for my stuff and it's mostly pretty light on resources, but also I would ensure you're using streamelements OBS to handle your overlays and such to help take even more load off your system. I'm about to go live in a sec but more info on your specs and software use helps.

>>1782460
good luck with your stream !!
if you email me your discord we can continue this convo in private (mostly because im a techtard, and dont know which things are specs and which things arent)
( bugfood@cock.li is where you can send it, i'll check it in a bit )

this man is to pure for the internet what the fuck

>>1782618
I can fix that.

is there a keyword i use to search skeb for live2d in japanese or is just live2d enough to get a .psd that a rigger would be able to use? i'm guessing the process is the same between EN and JP live2d so like, the format should be the same? thinking of commissioning a live2d ready off skeb and taking it to an EN rigger.

>>1782618
don't worry anon!! all of my innocence left me a long time ago ^^;;
>>1782952
good luck !!!!

FUCK IT I'm putting a short showcase of my dogshit vocals in my self intro. Maybe my confidence has value.

>>1784482
It does. Good luck anon!

Ay homeboy, tell me your realistic end-of-year goal. Don't you know it's loco to not have an optimistic yet realistic expectation for yourself, holms?

>>1785243
goal 1 - fanart, if someone doodles a pic of me, means i've been providing enough value to motivate someone to create content for me

goal 2 - saucy fanart, for reasons

goal 3 - traditional milestones in followers

goal 4 - a sponsored stream

>>1785243
By the end of this year, I will have 100 average viewers per stream.

>>1785243
i want to get a new computer, so my streams will be even better...

Not sure if anybody here would have the answer, but what kind of length should I keep a stream yt upload so it doesn't negatively effect my clickthrough rate? They are sharing a channel with my main content.

>>1786461
usually people post either 'highlights' or a full length stream

>>1786632
Right, what I'm really asking is what how long of a stream archive someone is willing to click on. Obviously 5 hour videos are bad for the algorithm so I'm wondering if there's a sweet spot

>>1786791
standard between twitch and youtube is 2 hours. i don't know if there's any science behind it or not, but that's what most other vtubers do.

>>1786791
It is entirely dependent on what kind of content you're making. >>1786839 is about right in that 2 hour videos are generally the sweet spot where they're long enough for you to have meaningful things happen, and also short enough to allow lurkers and new people to "catch up"

Holy shit

So, it's the femanon from earlier threads who was worried about her voice being masculine who read out the Dead Parrot skit; and ever since I've started using my real voice on my streams a few days ago people have legit been watching me a ton more for some reason and saying it's cute

>>1787203
>people have legit been watching me a ton more for some reason and saying it's cute
accent buff is real. your voice is aboslutely adorable. i wish you the best, good luck, anon.

>>1768013
I posted before and was given a lot of lovely advice! My main design flaw was being plain and too much white, so I am in the process of overhauling my design. I am not done yet, but as far as the shirts go I was wanting advice.
Initially the red part was just going to be a capelette but as I started drawing it I thought it looked cute as a shirt. I think I might like it better than the blouse so far! What do anons think?
I am a BALB/c mutant mouse girl!

>>1787224
Is it adorable enough to be in Hololive though despite being deep like Towa's?

>>1787909
Your voice is really pretty! I want to hammer it in how much you sound like a mythical lady. You would not be a good loli like Gura or Shion, but you would do great as a character similar to Noel or Flare.

>>1785243
>Primary Achievable Goals
A single piece of high-quality fanart
10 regulars that show up to every stream
Have a video get over 1000 views
>Secondary Achievable Goals
500 Youtube subscribers
Collab with an overseas Vtuber
Stay out of drama trouble
>Primary Unrealistic Goal
Earn enough income through content to be able to replace my casual job, or heavily cut down on my working hours so I can focus on making more content

>>1787931
Ah I see

So a little Lamy-ish, albeit a lot deeper?

>>1785243
I want to have 1000 YT subs! I have 8 now, but I think with hard work and perseverance it will work out! I also want to upgrade my ThinkPad to a real gaymen pc.

>>1785243
1. get fanart
2. reach at least 100 or 50 subs and have a celebration stream
3. maybe get porn of my character but i find it very unlikely anyone would do it

>>1785243
80 average viewers per stream
collab with cool people

>>1768013
Working out how to do this like a sloth swimming through molasses.

>>1787882
I dig the new hair accessories and I really like the twin mouse-face fastening! I think I prefer it as a cape than as a shirt? Definitely a stronger colour balance than last time though, and the white mouse outlines really liven it up.. I think it was a cuter design with the braids, but that might just be because I really like braids.

Incidentally, I really enjoyed sketching your design so I am currently going over it with lineart and colours.I will try to introduce some elements of your updated design or make a variant or something, and will drop it soon (I could email it if you would prefer). By the way I was an idiot, what I thought was a QR code turned out to just be a circuit board or some manner of electronic tag when I looked closer. If you feel like bouncing ideas around some more I made a throwaway email at doppelle@waifu.club but obviously that's just if that sounds fun or whatever.

>>1785243
End of year passable: 100 subs on YT
End of year great: 1000 subs on YT

Goals:
Draw a good version of my model
Release an EP with intro and outro songs for my character that doesn’t suck
Make an engaging and fun programming tutorial
collab with one of the 4clover children or maybe even with the mighty Koopa herself
Get scouted by Niji or Cover

>>1771238
More like personality keeps viewers while the model attracts them.

>>1790268
It looks very busy

>>1787882
I think another anon already recommended as well to add a specimen ID as piercing to one of the ears. Based on it you could clearly point out a "wordplay" with simple standalone letters and numbers or things such as angel numbers or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_wordplay#Goroawase

>>1768013
is picrew a valid avenue for getting a design, or at least an idea of one

>>1793137
I would say that a picrew is valid for at least getting a rough idea for the kind of design that you want

We're all gonna make it

>>1794931
u2

>>1794931
i can only hope anon... i can only hope...

>>1793137
Any good ojisan ones?

>>1768684
>someone else using their /tg/ character designs for VTubing
See you on the gridmap out there, Anon.

>>1770486
Female fashion is to attract social attention from mates and to show up female rivals. Male fashion is a team-building exercise that establishes norms so a group of different people can believe they're on the same side long enough to get something difficult done. The business suit is the civilian's military uniform. It says, I'm here to play the game, and you can tell I'm serious because I've invested my resources and this much of my identity to gear up for the task at hand.

Female fashion is naturally rewarded for being outlandish. Male fashion is naturally rewarded for being predictable. They're appealing to different social needs. Novelty versus stability.

>>1795648
Lucky you anon, I saved some picrews that I never used. Hope you like these.
https://picrew.me/image_maker/26727
https://picrew.me/image_maker/18771/complete?cd=xClar0xl77
https://picrew.me/image_maker/58992
https://picrew.me/share?cd=L9HBNQYDVe
https://picrew.me/image_maker/13338
More ojiisans
https://picrew.me/search?q%3At=%E3%81%8A%E3%81%98%E3%81%95%E3%82%93&s%3At=3&s=1&page=1

>>1797218
My bad, two of those 404'd. This is the only one I can salvage.
https://picrew.me/image_maker/18771

>>1769336
Ever played those yaoi games only women play? Bet you haven't. Just look into one that's edgy enough, find the design that's most popular and steal that shit.

>>1798062
don't do this. the majority of viewers are men. you wouldn't be able to pull off the personality that would pull women who are into that stuff.

>>1769336
Well, they could try fantasy-style clothing for starters
Ex Albio is pretty successful with that (but also because he’s actually a scumbag)

>>1798137
I never talked about personality, just design.
If you can't pull of a character while being male might as well not stream anyways.

>>1787882
If you are still here, mind me posting a simple redraw with some ideas I had, which add something to the design?

A femanon here; sang a song. Give it to me straight, anons, how awful is my singing?
https://voca.ro/1a34jvWVbCVA

>>1798782
it sounds more like you're talking the song instead of singing the song if you want honest.

https://vocaroo.com/12OjCjlMg6PQ
i sing for u

I have combined the shirt collar with the capelette, and I think it looks cute. I am also going to add some more white mice to the red part.

>>1790268
You know, I have gotten away from the scientist aspect of the design a little bit and am focusing a little more on being an experiment. I realized that while a lab mouse scientist sounds good, it doesn't work if you aren't smart enough to pull it off! I am glad the new accessories are good, they are supposed to be DNA! I am trying to get away from braids now, even though I love them, because I have realized almost every other mouse chuuba has braids! I would love to see your art, you can post it here if you would like to! I will also message you soon, when i get further along in the design! I am a little stuck on the legs and shoes. I should DNA stockings might be cool, but perhaps too hard to convey/draw at the moment so I am brainstorming something else. I would also really like to keep up with your own character design if possible! I don't know if you saw my post in the old thread, but I think I said your design style reminds me of a Monster High doll! I am really hyped to see your chuuba.
>>1791352
That is a neat idea! ATM I have become a little uncertain of whether or not I want to alter the ears, but I can always just see how it looks before finalizing the design.
>>1798406
Oh sure anon! That would be really nice.

>>1797218
>>1797322
Seems like there's not exactly the kind I was thinking of but something between the vibes of these two.

>>1799297
First of all, nothing has to be like I did it, it's just some inspiration, also white goes like black with every color, but together as a scheme they are overused and boring heh.
I interpret the version with the red shirt as traditional Chinese clothing, so a combination with the Chinese Zodiac sign rat makes sense, I guess.
The "too much white, because lab mouse" aspect can be kept by making the undergarment white to cover most of the visible skin. Also I don't think a laboratory mouse has no history of being somewhat harmed, so maybe at least one notched ear is reasonable. I don't know what the backstory of the character will be. I only can think about two options here; Mouse that flew out a facility and wants to take revenge or a mouse that works voluntary together with scientists, besides knowing it gets harmed.
Shoes... I don't know if you even want some, I just popped some combat boots? over the legs.
Because the character is literally human-sized mouse, maybe a collar as a choker as an option as well.
Since the mouse is from a laboratory facility or something along that line, maybe some kind of top secret or complex electronic device is connected to it, so I thought maybe a monitoring device makes sense, which shows all data in real time. We can go further and even make this into a gimmick for the character, but I don't know exactly how you could realize a heart rate monitor in real time on a Live2D avatar/3D model.

>>1799450
fuck that's adorable

>>1799450
Hey that's bretty good

>>1799450
thats so fucking cute

>>1798983
WELP you are probably right.
I hate that my voice doesn't lend itself right to something that goes particularly high

Here is some dumb singing of Fly Me To The Moon though: https://voca.ro/1eQnp73SdpDW
Hope it sounds a bit better than that other song

>>1799450
I truly love this anon, you have created a lot of things that would have never crossed my mind. Especially the use of blue and green accents to make the colors pop, and the not-pipboy. You style its self reminds me of Psychonauts a little bit! I suppose a mutant mouse girl wouldn't be out of place in Psychonauts though. The 32 ear tag is very clever. I also like the boots a lot! I have a hard time thinking outside the box with clothing, and couldn't come up with any ideas outside of various types of Mary Janes. Thank you for the time you have put into this, I am truly grateful. I have been so lucky in posting here, every time someone has posted guidance it has led me closer to a unique and cool design!

I really love your drawing anon!

> I don't know what the backstory of the character will be. I only can think about two options here; Mouse that flew out a facility and wants to take revenge or a mouse that works voluntary together with scientists, besides knowing it gets harmed.
I think I've been a little inconsistent with my backstory so far, but the idea is that she used to be a regular BALB/c lab mouse until she was injected with an experimental elixir that was supposed to give her more humanlike DNA for more accurate experiments, but then it mutated her into a humanoid. And then she told the scientists about how unhappy she was to be experimented upon as a mouse, and so they stopped mouse experiments at the lab she resides at, and now the experiments are done on willing humans and herself.
That's a little cheesy and doesn't make much sense I suppose, but at the time I thought it was a nice story. Now I think the implications of the story are a little limiting, so I might change it but I'm not totally sure.

>>1799722
it's a better fit, and i can see it getting better with practice

>>1799722
Look up singing exercises and start from the basics, you have a good voice but you're letting it go to waste.

Newfag here with a few questions.
I'm a dude and I want to maximize my outreach and audience, but I think my options are limited. Should I...
>Go with an attractive male avatar and hope I get enough simpettes
I mean, it's the easiest option since I won't need to act that much. Besides, most guy vtubers I've seen have boring designs so there's room for experimentation here.
>Go with a female avatar and a voice changer, since girls are the most popular ones
Harder, but potentially more payoff. I'd probably have to train my voice a lot, and there's a lot of competition, but it's probably worth it. Also, before anyone calls me a tranny: I'd just be playing a character, that doesn't mean I want to chop my dick off.

Also, how much can a decent animator make in live2d commissions? I'm thinking about double dipping by possibly animating commissions on stream.

>>1800533
As an experienced vtuber, both of these sound like bad ideas. A voice changer and character that does not reflect you just yells inauthenticity and will drive people away. A male in a hoodie reaching for simpettes does not work. You only see it work with vtubers with pre-established fanbase and even those that try this route have historically dried up in viewers quickly. Your best option is to go Wrestler style and just take your self and the things you like and are good at and then turn that up to 11. Viewers appreciate authenticity over most things. Don’t try to follow others’ paths. Create your own.

>>1800533
>simpettes
they don't exist, don't try.

>>1800533
There is not a single voice changer that makes you sound like someone biological born with the opposite gender, everyone who isn't an Indian working for a scamming call center can notice the robotic and wrong corrections.
You seem to not know the term "babiniku" everyone around here is spouting from time to time when discussing vtubers. When you make it clear that you are a babiniku no one will be bothered when a man voice comes out your loli, girl, whatever female looking character.

>>1800658
>>1800737
Okay, what if the robotic voice is part of the character? As in, my avatar is a robot guy/girl?
I like the idea of being like a wrestler and dial things up to 11 while being authentic. But at the same time, I don't want to just be a normal animu boy. Animation has unlimited potential and I really want to create something different.

>>1800874
>what if the robotic voice is part of the character?
then you're gonna filter out the people who don't like a robotic voice filter over the voice of their streamers. you become relegated to just a gimmick vtuber and nothing more.

>>1800874
You may take a visit to /m/ and ask them if mecha is currently economically viable. The answer is lol.

>>1800734
They exist but you can't get them on purpose. Corpse Husband and those Minecraft youtubers that get tons of yaoi made of them have simpettes. It seems like they only come as a random blessing, then they throw their parent's money at you.

>>1800874
The most important thing is that your audience can hear you. Filters and voice changers will affect this a lot.
Your design does not need to be an average dude even if you are going for authenticity. You could be a fallen knight, a space man in a vat, an alien lost from home, an elephant man, a scientist, a hobo, a chef, a convenience store worker, literally anything. Start following some male vtubers and study their streams to see what you can do!

>>1800874
If you don't know there already exist someone who does something like that, but mostly just does short VRchat content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i1U-BoPY3s

>>1801022
unless you have radio tier voice, don't hide your face. you might as well be a pngtuber at that point. the entire reason why people watch streamers in the first place is to get that shared experience interaction. if they can't see your face or your reactions, that's entirely wasted.

>>1801062
This anon has good advice too!

>>1801051
Whisper is a treat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-bCxO5N7rg

>>1799166
my fucking sides anon
was your throat fried after that

>>1800533
>>1800874
I'll be real honest with you. There are a lot, and I mean a lot of male vtubers with this exact same mindset, unique avatars and everything. They all struggle to get past the 20 viewer mark.
Just do what you like. Don't think to much about it. Try to enjoy streaming and have fun, because if you go into vtubing seeking success or approval, I'm afraid things are not looking good. Thinking about "maximizing audience" is something a male vtuber shouldn't be doing.

>>1800923
But isn't vtubing already a gimmick, tho?
I honestly don't understand why it'd be bad to compliment one gimmick with another. Also, in my opinion, if you don't have a unique design and personality I don't really see the point of being a vtuber or even a pngtuber.

>>1800961
I know. But at least I'd be very authentic, since mecha is one of my passions. Isn't there a vtuber that builds gunpla on stream? If I have trouble reaching a large fanbase, then I'd rather fall back on a smaller but more "attuned" audience. And who knows? It could be a way to bring more attention to mecha (lol yeah).

>>1801022
Thank you! I'll do more research and see what I can come up with. In all due honesty, as much as I want to be authentic, one of my biggest reasons to try the whole vtuber deal is that I want to play a character out of the ordinary.

>>1801051
This is super cute and is quite similar to what I had in mind. Like, not a 1-1 but close enough to be an example.

>>1801062
I'm super self-conscious about my appearance and have incredibly low self-esteem. Another big reason to be a vtuber for me is that I could finally present myself to others without caring about my horrendous face and body.

>>1801336
>But isn't vtubing already a gimmick, tho?
>I honestly don't understand why it'd be bad to compliment one gimmick with another.
each gimmick you add is a niche on top of yet more niches, despite vtubing already being very niche (outside of Hololive). you're shooting yourself in the foot by going too far with it.

>>1801336
it sounds like you're already set on your own idea and just want us to yes man you. Do what you want.

>>1801238
>was your throat fried after that
yes.
https://vocaroo.com/1eLXnzVITD22

For the love of god dont use a voicechanger, they're annoying as hell unless they're so slight they've barely noticeable, like Cecil's or something.

>>1800966
It's not random. The youtubers gaybait and roleplay, while playing a game targeted towards a younger audience, and are Twitch streamers that got popular during the beginning of lockdown, while Corpse Husband has an aesthetic/voice that targets women (dark and mysterious) and before he got really popular, he read creepypastas which has a sizable female fanbase. All of them didn't come out of nowhere.

>>1801336
I just had another idea for you if you really don't want to use your real voice as character gimmick, but I think this makeshift method would be a bit too complicated and not rewarding.
You could fixate yourself to a limited word pool that you can activate with a sound launchpad, like Yes, No, Sorry, My name is xxx. The words themselves are made with a Vocaloid or a similar offbrand synthesizers. But you will be very much limited to say anything, maybe add buttons from A to Z and 0 to 9 as well so you can spell things like a primitive calculator/robot. That could be part of a design too, a broken android or abandoned prototype...

>>1801663
this is more suited to a pre-written character for youtube skits and would not work as a vtuber.

>>1801415
Not at all, I'm just new to this stuff and would like as many perspectives as possible. If I'm giving pushback it's because I genuinely want to know what you think about it. If I wanted yes-men, I'd go to twitter/discord/reddit.
>>1801330
Thanks for the advice. Honestly, my mindset is/was that even as a fun hobby, I'd really like to make money out of it. This is not me saying that "I'm on it for the money", tho.
>>1801406
I see your point. Do you follow any vtuber that can be considered "niche"?
From what I've learned in this small conversation, it seems like reaching a wide audience is already a big challenge. I'd like to see what the more "niche" vtubers do.

>>1801701
>I'd like to see what the more "niche" vtubers do.
i don't know if you mean "niche" as in
- these vtubers are just playing a character
- these vtubers are acting out a scripted performance
- these vtubers just have some weird gimmick

>>1798782
>>1799722
From these examples it's clear the problems with the first one come mostly from you not having experience with singing in Japanese. It sounds like you're struggling to keep the pace because you have to concentrate so much on getting the words and pronunciations right. You're doing much better when you're singing in a language you're more familiar with and can put your attention to the singing part instead of saying the words right.

>>1801663
I don't necessarily mind using my real voice, it's just that I wouldn't want to use it along with a female avatar.
That said, I think your idea is quite interesting. Isn't there a relatively popular vtuber that uses a text-to-speech device? Zentraya or something like that, she's like a dragon girl with big tits. What's the opinion on her?
>>1801733
All of those. I'm here to absorb as much info as you're willing to provide. However, I have a special interest in vtubers that are just playing a character and those with weird gimmicks.

>>1801780
>vtuber who plays a character
https://www.twitch.tv/kongouvtuber (acts like a ninja teacher)

>vtuber with gimmick
https://www.twitch.tv/spacer_haywire_ch (all he does is space scifi stuff)

>>1770668
Ork warboss with big choppa, stomping about.

>>1801780
zentreya is unique because she did it first, or got popular first with tts. if you do tts now you'll just be compared to zentreya and considered a copycat

if you want to voice change honestly i say go for it. but it can't be gratingly mechanic or completely fake. you need to own it

>>1770631
How common are orcs? I've only seen one myself, but haven't exactly gone looking for them. How about male dwarves?

Do what you want, make a design that's appealing to your eyes and can be flexible. Try not to fall in love with yourself and become an ego monster.

is there a male equivalent to an idol?

>tfw spent the entire last month and a half planning, script writing, designing, recording, mixing, editing, and finalizing with no breaks a single day, just for an audition that I have no expectations for

>>1803013
Zen also got lucky because their brand was built on being mute back when VRChat was popular where it was more acceptable, they never would've gone anywhere just doing it normally. It's a move I wouldn't try to replicate.

>>1805299
Talk show hosts

>>1805344
Anyone who originates from VRChat probably shouldn't be used for a reference in the first place. A lot of their viewerbase and network is completely divorced from the rest of the vtuber scene.

>>1803013
As another anon's perspective, I don't watch Zen strictly because of the TTS. I don't have anything against it specifically, I just find it really offputting to listen to in any real amounts. I also don't like voice changers at all. Honestly a 'bad' authentic voice is 10x better to listen to than a high quality voice changer.

>>1805381
>envtuber talk show host
now that's creative

>>1805299
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAHSUTB5BJc

>>1805472
fuck me, i need to actually practice talking clearly and enunciating. if i could bring that kind of energy to my streams, that would be such a buff. is there a way to train like that?

>>1805516
Look into stage acting or speech delivery.

>>1805299
Yes, a male idol

>>1803679
You mean with dwarf a grumpy bearded little old man who drinks alcohol all day long and lives underground in a mining kingdom? That's already an overused trope everyone expects. But take the aspect of being a little dude and turn it into another midget/gnome race idea.
Here for example there was Brouni race introduced in Etrian Odyssey V, playable were they only as botanist and shaman. In Final Fantasy (14) you have those gnome guys around. Both races have child-like proportion, in the male case rather shota-like, but they still can keep the look of young adults without disproportional bodies of real life midget people.

>>1770631
creative =/= good
t. artist
good design matters more than creativity, uncreative designs are usually bad on some metric, being different for the sake of "creativity" without considering and understanding the appeal of the gimmick you're running is likely to make you flounder if the gimmick ends up short-lived

>>1785243
to actually have fun doing something in my life.

>>1805299
...male idols?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uieiY13-ykA

>>1805455
Doesn't Artemis use a voice changer?

>>1807589
No, just years of trans-voice training
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a83IXHrJt0

>>1807589
No idea, don't watch Artemis.

>>1806321
>You mean with dwarf a grumpy bearded little old man who drinks alcohol all day long and lives underground in a mining kingdom? That's already an overused trope everyone expects.
Bah, its a good aesthetic. I'm not gonna be grumpy, at least. Well, not intending to be.

>>1805301
me too, anon
just submitted yesterday at like 5am after a mini panic attack after working for like 12 hrs straight on it

let's stay optimistic though. who knows what'll happen

>>1805301
I don't see how that isn't a valuable experience, even just for the reps value

>>1807861
>years
I have a better female voice in a month of voice training to be a babaniku/trap vtuber.

>>1807861
Kill yourself, election tourist.

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>Kill yourself, election tourist.

are you guys seeing views on your hololive app videos? do they actually watch the later applicants?

>>1801768
You’re probably right Anon
I should try to practice singing more Japanese songs in that case

how do you market yourself? just networking with other vtubers seems counter intuitive since they're also streamers and won't be the people who watch you. and aside from a passing "oh, they're nice, please check them out!" they're only sending a tiny percentage of their base to you.

>>1811562
produce content
put things on youtube
secretly shill

>>1811562
obviously you won't being doing it exclusively to them but networking with them will make them more likely to raid you which is always a nice boost if they have higher viewership than you
other than that, yeah produce content

>>1811651
>secretly shill
More like posting as yourself in a third-person in /wvt/ while pretending to be a viewer, but not even trying so.

>>1811977
as much as i appreciate everyone's advice on these threads and the general chatter over on /wvt/ i'm gonna refrain to actually shilling myself there. don't really want to have my stuff connected to this site.

>>1812019
same anon, but I've been shilled by linkanon(s) a few times despite me not not interacting and dropping any hints, they'll find you eventually

>>1812176
honestly, i'd take that as a sign that i'm doing something right. if i'm doing well enough that i'm visible to anons AND they hop in and feel like i'm good enough to shill, i'd wear that as a badge of pride. just shilling myself in the third person sounds scummy for some reason though.

>>1812019
i've shilled a few times there and honestly i feel like being connected to this site the way isn't necessarily awful for a chuuba's career; a fair amount of people that have bigger followings are still /here/
though with some of the people i've seen pop up in wvt and very blatantly break containment i could see why one would be hesitant

>>1812289
>with some of the people i've seen pop up in wvt and very blatantly break containment i could see why one would be hesitant
NTA but this is definetely the thing warding me off of shilling there. Mix that in with the mega schizos that seem to dwell there that bully smaller vtubers and it's something I want to avoid being associated with for sure..

Will I make it fellas? https://vocaroo.com/1jqVJ2j5djKS

>>1813398
probably, it's passable. have you been doing your reps?

>>1767669
I'm a programmer that's working on my own 2D avatar software because I'm unsatisfied with the current software that's available for vtubing, particularly with the reliance of Face ID for face tracking and limited dynamic rigging support. What other kind of features do you guys want to see in a vtuber streaming application that aren't available in other packages?

>>1813398
I like it. Do another one.

>>1813398
How do I do my voice reps anon

>>1813438
I shitpost on /vt/ at least twice a day

>>1813883
Drink chocolate onions

>>1813914
streaming reps, not shitpost reps

>>1813398
Anyone that can pull off a loli character can make it, yes.

>>1813971
>tfw don't have a loli voice

>>1813398
I don't fucking know, gotta work on some comedy reps

>>1814059
You can still become a mommy or a nee-san.
Or do your voice reps, you'll get there eventually.

>>1814188
How do I do my voice reps to sound like a loli, oh wise anon

>>1814361
I dunno, I only draw. Ask whoever posted the vocaroo. I doubt they sound like that in everyday life.

>>1814361
literally just practice every single day, same goes for every voice. just keep talking out loud to yourself in the voice you want. for more intense practice, use your phone, voice recorder app, pick a video of an oshi you want to sound like, and practice saying the line the way they do. listen back to the recording and spot the areas you need to change, and do more reps.

>>1814389
I tried to just talk normally though?

What's a good streaming app? I want to stream with my phone, since I don't have a PC and I want to do my stream reps, even if I don't even have a png.

>>1814766
might as well just use Youtube/Twitch's official apps at that point.

>>1815058
I'm pretty sure they ask you for a minimum of followers/subs to actually do a livestream with a mobile device.
Or they used to. Maybe they don't anymore.

>AUDITION = SUBMITTED
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOO

>>1815547
good luck, anon

Anyone who posted an audition to Hololive recently, have they watched your video yet?

>>1811562
actually start responding to other creators on twitter/twitch. once you build up a friendship they'll help promote you by retweeting or raiding you.

>>1816178
i don't want friendships.
i want to grow my channel.

>>1816191
go and shill then

a friend asked me to join her karaoke stream as a cameo and i got like 7 followers off it. nothing wrong with genuine interactions

If I intend to upload regular content on youtube, should I just stream there instead of twitch?

>>1816609
youtube > twitch

>>1785243
>end-of-year goal
To read my own porn doujinshi
>realistic
Lol nvm

>>1815547
>Thought about joining HololiveEN2
>Realize that the only way I'd ever achieve my dream of collabing with my oshi would be if I stayed indie because Cover keeps the boys segregated from the girls.

>>1816916
>my dream of collabing with my oshi
ngmi
wrong motives

>set out to make my model and start a channel a month ago
>still got nothing except streaming plan and an unlayered file because drawing is harder than I thought
Am I late to the party yet?

>>1817121
dumb response: no, you've still got time! just work hard and you'll make it, anon!

real response: the field is saturated already. full stop. anyone else trying to 'make it' at this point are already too late. you're either already streaming, or you're wasting your time.

that being said, you should focus 90% of your effort on this single question. "What can I create that will add value to the world?" and don't cop out like a piece of shit and say something mundane like 'i just wanna be chill and be an okay streamer that people want to hang out with' because there are already hundreds of streamers who do that, and do it better than you.

>>1817121
You're late. If you wtill want to continue for the fun of it, just PNGTube yourself making the model for streaming reps.

>>1815836
posted yesterday, understandably, no views yet

>>1817169
>>1817237
Well, if the opportunity is gone either way, I guess I’ll at least finish rigging the model and stream to make YouTube videos. Maybe there will be a dip later.

>>1817375
Would advise you to stream on twitch for potential raids and put highlights or prerecorded content on YT.

>>1817422
Yeah, that seems to be the tried and true way. I think streams are like drafts for the actual content, at the end of the day.

>>1817422
Someone who streams on YT here
Twitch raids are decent but the unfortunate thing about Twitch is that for smaller streams, you can’t change the quality; you need to be a relatively bigger streamer to do that, while on YT anyone can change the quality
Also the VOD player is shit on Twitch when you want to go back and clip something that just happened but on YT the VOD player is pretty good, even if you do have to record the screen to clip stuff. At least, for now
Soon YT livestream clips will be introduced and maybe after that even stream raids so it’s only a matter of time before YT outshines Twitch

>>1817169
>the field is saturated already
Maybe I'm misinformed, but looks to me like it's saturated with gamers, and that there's room for musicians/artists/people who make creative content. Doubly so if people can figure out better hand tracking (maybe something like the leap motion could work for this but I'm not too familiar with it). I'm just sick of watching people play games. Streaming video games just doesn't have much value, and its not particularly unique to any individual. Anyone can play games and make it entertaining. If you have creative hobbies that you're good at, and you're somewhat charismatic, then maybe there's a chance. But I wouldn't know, I just watch streams and know what I like to see.

>>1817629
even with that angle, Youtube will be infinitely better for you in terms of discoverability.
>viewer checks out some video of beginning musician/artist
>youtube alg see that and adjusts recommendeds to push more musician/artist videos
twitch doesn't do this and doesn't care about small timers because it doesn't make them ad monies.

if all you want to do is "make some videos on a website about this thing you like" then sure, twitch is fine. if you want to grow? don't use twitch.

>>1817528
Twitch VODs can easily be exported to YouTube if you link your accounts.

>>1818385
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>>1818385
new

>>1769336
Males just want to be bland, then complain about debuffs.