/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Repost of the reasoning for using these boarders for organizations.
And if we have someone who's good at graphic design who can overlay this with the main map in OP.

Proximity:
>Holofags being able to access every other thread easily and being united (yet divided) due to their sheer size
>Nijifags being smaller, but sizable enough to have some overlap with Holos and other fanbases
>Neutral threads like Numbers, NASFAQ, /vsinger/ and FPS being easily accessible to the largest fanbases because of course it's obvious
>then we get the smattering of indies, smaller corpos and fetish threads that are largely on their own but together form a sizable portion of the map because they do have a lot of them

How I view threads:
>generals = territory
>topics = events, diplomacy, etc
>shitposts and bait = conflict, war, rebellion, etc

Zones are a mistake that limits any fun scenarios.

The Five Principles of Good flag design:

1. Keep It Simple. The flag should be so simple that a child can draw it from memory.
2. Use Meaningful Symbolism. The flag's images, colors, or patterns should relate to what it symbolizes.
3. Use 2 or 3 Basic Colors. Limit the number of colors on the flag to three which contrast well and come from the standard color set.
4. No Lettering or Seals. Never use writing of any kind or an organization's seal.
5. Be Distinctive or Be Related. Avoid duplicating other flags, but use similarities to show connections.
https://nava.org/good-flag-bad-flag

zone autists hate

I tuned out for like 2/3rds of that last thread because of all the shitflinging. Can someone neatly summarize the main points of the map argument on all sides?

Can we just ignore the zone-antizone shit flinging? It's just two anons
There's more of us who dont care

>>17437077
This, the IP only increased by 2 with these 3 posts
>>17436702
>>17436753
>>17436853

>>17437111
your level of autism is astounding bro

I'm gonna try and organize a doc for the lore posts throughout the week, hopefully finishing it by Wednesday or Thursday.

>>17437111
I think he is saying you and the antizone guy are the retards, zone-anon

>>17437280
thanks. holefully we can get a nice colorful map out of it

>>17437273
All you've done is confirm the other guy same fagged. Good job.

>Complaining about autism on 4chan.
This place isn't for you.

>>17437111
it ain't me... it ain't me

>>17436900
One schizophrenic loathes zoning and wants a free for all, one wants a big corpo dictatorship, and s bunch of people are tired of hearing them bicker

>>17437111
couldn't be me

>>17437539
>>17437398
>>17437273
Nice edits, but Zones are happening, samefagger. Get over it

>>17437273
>>17437398
>>17437539
>This level of autism to hide his samefag.
Nice photoshop and use of 4chanX.

I'm gonna read dungeon meshi and go to bed. When I get up I'll do some brainstorming and see if I can think of anything to make into a greentext.
Godspeed.
>>17437598
>>17437539
>>17437398
>>17437273
Shut the fuck up you filthy bunch of faggots

>>17437436
What exactly is wrong with this >>17436688 ? It's the last major iteration of the map I looked at, and it seemed like it was going well with threads claiming territories here and there. Surely any further attempt at improving or reorganizing it isn't worth it if the major players can't come to a consensus, no? I figure simple is best, even if some contrived lore explanations need to be formulated to justify bits and pieces of it.
>>17437280
Sounds helpful, anon

>>17437598
pls. cool your autism. unironically.

>>17437598
meds

>>17437702
No it is the best version so far, I think the only reason there's conflict at all about it is that the names for the generals weren't put onto the map like the last big map.

last test map with some territories map guy made

>>17437702
IMO, absolutely nothing. I was under the same impression as you a while ago but then anons started sperging out about it.

>>17437702
The map and territories set out are fine.
Anti-zone fag is either one of two people.
A. He's butthurt that his own zone map wasn't picked because it lost out on merit and he wants to poison the well.
B. Is against zones because he believes only in only absolute freedom and doesn't realize that it's horrible to play from that angle in a national building scenario like this.

>>17438003
There are 3 confirmed anti-zones vs 2 confirmed pro zone.
In a thread with 8 IPs, that's a very significat opposition, I would say

>>17438420
Nah, it's just you samefagging being an Anti.
The only question now is it because of A or B?

wtf happened to dropping all the zoning shit and just make lorepost.
We'll sort the map out after the best lore wins

>>17438420
I dont care what felines you use for your arguments, if you make a good enough map then people are going to make some lore based around its features, there's no reason to keep squabbling about it when lore needs to be written

>>17438628
>Expecting schitzos to stop talking, or Amon’s to not fall for bait

>>17438628
Change of plan, we'll first tell the anti to fuck off, finish making the map and collect more lore.

>>17438540
You are unironically scaring me. Get help

>>17438420
everyone left becuase of zone autism.
when the zone proposition in the first place only ever got like, 2 people on board. and then he kept pushing it. "fine we'll use this." "okay, if its going nowhere, use this one." "okay, then just use zones anyway."
followed by another anon by claims of the guy going "samefag samefag!" or multiple anons
on the anti-zone autist side going "just let them pick a place on the map." and calling pro-zone autists stupid.
the only thing of actual worth last thread was this map >>17437899
and the lore that followed it and some random bits of dropped lore that were unrelated to it.
hence, zone autism is fucking stupid

>>17438420
Same confused anon, what does "zoning" entail as opposed to the alternative? Are "anti-zoners" proposing threads be interspersed globally with no pattern rather than grouped into supercategories?
Frankly, I'd be against that for two reasons: one, a restructure at this point would set us a few steps back even sans the arguing when it's really imperative we get things off the ground as fast as possible, and two I rather like the idea of my general being part of its supercategory, lore and all. Have you actually asked the thread reps themselves whether they WANT to be separated from other threads in their agency/category?

>>17438628
Just let things happen naturally, thats how 4chan works with projects
A million monkeys on typewriters
And anti/zoneniggers forcing their ideas are not helping

>>17438734
we've been in consensus for 3 threads now:
Use this map >>17436688 to make loreposts
Stop engaging and write shit.

if anti-zones want to write lore that breaks this, we'll put it in "alternative timeline" or some BS.


Also where's the anchor post?

>>17438770
the "anti-zoners" are saying theres no need to make zones since people would naturally group up by corp anyway. the "pro-zoners" are saying to make lines around continents and fit each general within the bounds of lines they've made and would make things go "faster."

>>17438755
he is getting real mad for literally a project involving having fun.
loreposts pls.

>>17438966
That actually applies a lot more to you and all your posts. Stick to lore, not maps.

>>17438904
Ah, I was thinking it was going to be some forced kaleidoscope hodgepodge. I see nothing wrong with letting generals choose where they want to be with the zones as a strong suggestion. All I'd expect if they significantly deviate from the bulk of their compatriots is a good lore explanation.

>>17438871
>consensus
please stop revising history bro. like, legit, do you actually have autism or something? I could understand why you'd keep pushing it then. if so sorry man.

Just ignore the anti, he's here only to sabotage and derail the project. Focus on finishing the map.
Again, don't give the anti attention.

>>17439061
One of the guys I refer to as antizoner wanted a continent-based zoning where each continent had a big corpo, and indies and small corpus would be scattered discordantly across the map, surrounded completely by the big corpo in a sort of federation.

It's not called "seething" or being a "zonefucker".

It's called being a committed fan to the /vt/wbg universe, you stupid faggots. I had a fucking storyline going as the grand architect and was going to finish the forced segregation arc, but no, the anti-zone anons have a fucking massive boner for freedom and decided to complain for literally zero reason.

It's just sad that good writing and story-telling and world-building is ruined by one fucking mistake. Anti-zoners don't deserve to win at all against zoners because

They are not real /vt/wbg anons yet. Just bullshit, cheap arguments against randoms because They are probably commie shitters.

Zones had a storyline going

Zones literally had the total agreement in the thread's prime, it's much better than no zones in that sense. If you compare zoning's all time peak to anti-zones there's no comparison.

>>17439411
And the other wanted no zoning at all, but he said it would probably result in the same thing anyways

>>17439061
The zoning argument was to just streamline and realistic reflect how nation building would go instead of creating what you call ' kaleidoscope hodgepodge'. It further makes sense when you look at splits where they normally are accepting of posts about vtubers also in the same organization, but become hostile when you post about someone from outside their group. So if you let people throw darts at the map it wouldn't make sense for most splits from hololive to be neighbors with nijisanji with a few outlier exceptions.
There's also the strength in numbers argument since if all of a corpo is together, it will make it harder for them to be conquered and totally destabilize the game. As opposed if they were scattered all across the world

>>17439545
Also containment, and the fact that freedom can be done with embassies. :)

behold, the grand 'consensus'
>>17439444
/hfz/ continues to be the best thread on /vt/

I want to write something about secret international espionage within the Holo Empire, so far I'm thinking KFP and the Nousagi but I don't know much about either of them to make it interesting, any ideas?

>>17439411
Well, if a general wants to do that, I see no reason to stop them. I also see no reason to stop a general if it wants to group up with a bunch of others on one continent.
I don't understand why it has to be one batch decision either way. All that sounds like is a couple people forcing their ideals onto creators for no particularly detailed lore reason. Isn't the point of this creative exercise to put equal power in the hands of the board's people and then find a way to connect them all as part of a single narrative afterwards?

Seems like a pointless argument in general, I say just direct people towards the existing map and note that the listed boundaries are tentative. If someone has a problem with being where they're zoned, they can formulate a lore excuse as to why they'll be elsewhere.

>>17439545
Again, seems like putting the cart before the horse. "Realism" is both less important than boardwide participation and subjective given that a lot of generals seems to be incorporating magic into their lore. Excuses for logical/societal inconsistencies should be come up with AFTER everyone's submitted, not before

>>17440000
dubs and quads of truth

>>17440000
if you want to know how stupid this whole thing actually is, heres basically what set off the autism bomb

>>17439070
>revising history
lol, I had to read 3 fucking threads of autism to understand what's going on.
Original Zone Propasition, let's call this Zone Anon1:
>>17138863 (no agreement, 1 says to vote)
This prompt another proposal, Zone Anon2: >>17141753 (3 agree, 1 says to vote)

Zone Autism Level: 0
There is climate autism though

Move on to Day2
1 anon gathers the claimants so far >>17352016
This anon asks how to lay claim: >>17357170
People realize there are 2 fucking zone maps, 1 anon clarifies what to do >>17363192
The first anti-zone anon: >>17363308
Let's call this The first battle of Zone Autists
>>17363449
>>17363535
>>17363787 (this anon picks Zone Anon2's post, probably due to the agreement replies mentioned on Day1)

Zone Autism Level: 1

A few minutes later we get
1 anon not liking it>>17363844
another anon suggests to use Zone Anon1 instead >>17364151

People then told off Zone Anon1's map, which never happened before.
Let's call this The second battle of Zone Autists
>>17364221
>>17364286
>>17364568

Zone Anon1 supporter then fired back, this time saying he is anti-zone all along:
>>17364470
>>17366049
>>17366337
>>17366776
>>17366726 (a random anti-zone post that also happened at this time)

Zone Autism Level: 5

Then Map Anon starts putting things on the map to push out the zone autism
>>17367017
>>17369701
However since MapAnon is using claimants from before the agreed upon zoning, an anon (me) questioned the legitimacy
>>17371449
Map anon responds in a rather less civil manner of ">we", so okay then...
>>17371691
I step out for a bit, then another anon said it might be throw away work and MapAnon sides with anti-zoners
>>17372270
>>17372360
To which I'm assuming the same anon linked the anti-zoner posts.
>>17372834
This started the main Zoner Anon's theory of because people didn't like ZoneAnon1's proposal, he became an anti-zoner, and then is pushing the map forward with out of date claims. Hence "1-2 guys".

This results in the great Zone/Anti-Zone war that honestly no one cares about that was literally most of last thread.

Zone Autism Level: ∞

I come back and see this shit and suggest we drop the map altogether
>>17422947
>>17424112


So maybe I'm biased to ZoneAnon2's idea, but it had the least complaints 2 threads ago and honestly the zone autism started after ZoneAnon1's got dismantled from >>17364151

the side I pick now and suggest is to drop the map, it's clearly not just 1 anon passionate about zone/anti-zones.

Either way, I'm done with this topic.

>>17440000
So your excuse for not having zones is you want to micromanage people after they create a clusterfuck.
Absolute freedom is terrible for something like this because of unintended consequences. I.E. placing a hololive state right next to multiple Nijisanji ones is a sure fire way for the hololive one to be destroyed. And unlike the minecraft server wars, there's nothing to stop you from eradicating the vanquished. Zones also make it easier for people to choose stuff since they don't have as many variables to pick from.
I'll amend your suggest to say don't say the boarders are tentative and work to accommodate if someone has an issue with them.

>>17441139
>drop the map
Not even on the table, we're not going through the fucking map phase again. This is a good map and regardless of whether someone wants zones or mass freedom, doing the map shit all over again is a terrible idea when everyone just wants to move forward so we can make lore like >>17439444

>>17441329
And only if that person is from a split, not here.

It's Zone Anon2's fault:
>>17439848
>>17440413

It's Zone Anon1's fault
>>17441139 (me)

JFC, okay /vtwbg/ has to make it to the /vt/ lorebook. At least I cited by bias

>>17441329
>Absolute freedom is terrible for something like this because of unintended consequences. I.E. placing a hololive state right next to multiple Nijisanji ones is a sure fire way for the hololive one to be destroyed
I thought it was implicit I was putting the burden of explanation on the one submitting, as in "you can deviate if and only if you can come up with a damn good reason". I'm not suggesting people be allowed to slap land down wherever they want willy nilly without thinking it through properly.

That said, I don't think it necessary that a state or nation be in a stable geopolitical position. It could very feasibly be part of lore to constantly be at odds with neighboring states and/or on the brink of destruction. What matters the most is if someone has the guts to follow through with the consequences of their decisions.

>>17441537
that's fine with me, I suggested we use the map but people bitched saying no one agreed to the map.

In hindsight after typing out all relevant posts, they disagreed with the zoning, so yea....

>>17441744
Well then since the map is more or less approved, /ppg/ shall lay claim to the most western part (dark green) of western indie and corpos. This is in accordance to >>17387465 niabro's pilgrimage lore. I offer this land as an anniversary offering to our primal goddesses.

>>17443185
Fuck, most eastern part (dark green). Sorry for my pon tendencies.

>>17439848
>>17440413
real interesting how you 2 just cut out the discussion on "consensus" >>17141753

>>17441601
The flaw there is you're saying 'we have these rules, but feel free to ignore them'.

>>17441601
the map we were discussing last thread had a neutral zone between holo and niji that was a conflict zone.

>>17445291
Also, just because there's territory belonging to holo and niji doesn't mean it has to be entirely filled. There should be empty space to take into account future streamers.

>>17445330
so, heres an idea. usually new vtubers are similar to someone else, or are born from a corporation with a preexisting archetype to fit to. we could say new chuubas are evolutions of previous chuubas, and that new nations form when these chuubas become independent enough to not be a mere clone of their closest inspiration, with the indies being the primordial soup of this world, if that makes any sense. the threads are what determine size, so if they don't exist, they get no threads because their nation hasn't been born yet, but as their nation begins to form, a preexisting archetype goes through the state equivilent of mitosis and out comes a new nation. one way to consider who it should come from might be whose threads decrease around the same time, which is generally going to be the kinds of people who are interested in the same archetype, so this is basically all an emergent property of threads being what determines the size of any given nation or state, it's just that we now have an explanation of what is going on when that happens instead of needing to figure out every detail as if they were completely unrelated.

my articulation is bad, so let me try to simplify it
>new streamer is like old streamer
>old streamer's fans are interested in traits that new and old streamers share
old streamer's fans become new streamer's fans
>old streamer(s) lose some territory due to fewer threads and posts, which are now diverted to new streamer
>new streamer has claim to some territory, how that is represented is up to discussion, but what is going on helps guide that discussion instead of it becoming a free for all.

>>17445971
otherwise, i agree with the idea that some land will not be put to optimal usage, and will thus be areas where new vtubers would form regardless of politics or what not, as though a revolution were to occur in an area that was largely neglected by some overworked lord.

>>17445971
I'm not sure if you're that guy from last thread who had issues articulating your point, but it would really help to distill what you're saying because it comes off as nothing more than, 'new vtubers are going to be knockoffs of someone else' and that's it.

>>17446220
Also Holo EN does prove you can have a new generation and not cause previous splits to collapse given they're all active with the exception of /nasa/ which is on and off. But still, 10 out of 11 is pretty good.

>>17446220
>>17446316
desu, while the new generation was built up to fit some archetypes, they ultimately filled their own, but you are correct that sometimes it doesn't follow this formula, hence >>17446138 but the fact is that people have a finite amount of time to post in threads, even if it is a lot. also, i am the one with those articulation problems. hello. sorry for any previous misunderstandings, but unless i am misunderstanding you, i think you are understanding my idea well enough. obviously it isn't supposed to be a rule or anything, just a framework or theory to go off of.

>>17446316
/nasa/ is mainly on and off because sana is on and off

>>17446589
My point is while some new splits might eat away at old ones, it's possible for new ones to be created and co-exist because posters are not a finite resource.
So for the short term, we should leave empty territory as a fail safe for the early part of this.
If your theory pans out and we see splits die, everyone gets to expand, problem solved, if not, we got free space and a new split doesn't have to first make their first act a declaration of war against someone within their own company for land.

>>17448497
i can agree with that, but again, it was just an overview kind of idea. desu, if kronii is going to become the borg, space becomes an option. also alt timelines and what not.

>>17448779
I'm pretty sure people were only joking about that, /infinity/ just wanted to create their own island and the cube shape was just the territory they were claiming to make it.
Let's keep it as simple as possible before we start going into space or do alternate timelines, or bring back dead splits.

>>17448875
i'll agree with that, but when i do worldbuilding, i like things to be dynamic, generally speaking. i think this idea can be like that, there are many ways nations can form, i am just giving a visualization for them.

>>17443783
Also real interesting how the 2 stopped posting at the same time, after posting at the same time.....

>>17449940
Really gets the noggin joggin

>>17449940
desu, everyone was making fun of them, and telling them to stop already, and the result was becoming predictable, people just wanted to use whatever they had. as someone who was advocating for zoning, i will admit that it was autistic as fuck, but i enjoy that sometimes.

/rape/ a.k.a Shigure Ui general ww@?

>>17450675
do you want to be grouped up with /meat/ and /royna/? it seems /meat/ has a pretty good thing going as far as capturing a bunch of people to rape, torture, and cannibalize. i would cite previous greentexts, but they unfortunately got deleted.

>>17450822
/rape/ is only about the desire to rape Ui, so I think it'd be more appropriate if we are like a specialized raiding party of the /meat/ horde whenever there's a whiff of Ui or noposters to be had. What do you say /meat/?

>>17449327
Nothing wrong with creating a dynamic world, I just think we should keep it simple and flexible early on in case something happens so we don't box ourselves in.

So, how would this world visualize another shitstorm? Which areas are heavily affected?

>>17441139
>Not posting my reasonable (imo anyway) response
:(
>>17151807

>>17455725
I mean you could consider them as literal disasters like a sudden plauge thats passes through /morig/ or you can look at it as massive infighting breaking out over religious beliefs.

>>17436594
people need to start cleaning the OP, there's lore missing and dead links. This one is the Suisei general lore >>17414304

>>17437899
I really like the direction this map is going
the zones look really good

>>17458620
I think deadlinks are fine, it means people can look them up using warosu/wakrimasen if they are interested

>>17458620
>>17458811
I could start making rentry links for the loreposts in the OP nasfaqg already has theirs saved like that and I wouldnt be surprised if infinity had too

bump

>>17441139
>>17439848
>>17440413
Holy hell, this autismo...

I'm Zone Anon2 and I only ever posted the boundaries because the the one that Zone Anon1 made clearly went against the way borders naturally form, but I didn't even set actual boundaries on the map, but simply illustrated how influence works (proximity). You could have completely disregarded everything that I posted and it would have made no difference to me to the point that I didn't even participate in the Zone Autismo war beyond explaining my thoughts on how I made the boundaries that I did. I am also the anon that asked if there was a vectorized version of the map.

Other posts that I made were in regards to lore (mainly /#/) including pic related. I never formally staked a claim for land.

Luna's kingdom should obviously be a monarchy based on the French monarchy, with the Luknights being nobles. Peasants can be the greynames. Not sure about the clergy though

>>17436594
>>!!! THIS FILE MAY REQUIRE 5.5GB RAM TO OPEN UNCOMPRESSED!!!
What the fuck. Maybe you should split it along the squares

>>17436594
>This map is to facilitate hamlet/village/town/city/etc. placement
Do you guys have a system of coordinates? This might help too and could be fun, you could then make something like google maps

bump

>>17463658
it would be good for the help more than anything

>>17461747
From the recap, I don't think you ever did,
It seems to be
>Both anti zoners and zoners popping a lid
>Zone Anon 1 or his supporter
>the guy who claimed "Zone Anon 2's map, final answer",
That said, more people liked your zoning the best.

>>17459094
I second this. I want to just click once and be done with it when checking out all the lores

What specifically are we waiting on right now? Map compression, a wiki, more submissions from thread reps, anything else? What's the next step after all that in terms of global rather than local lore?

waiting for land claims or lores while map anons refining the map and climate I think.

>>17463585
>Let them eat cake, nanora!
I like to think that the Candy Kingdom still has the same problems that the French Monarchy had and the only reason the French Revolution hasn't already occured is because whenever peasants and lowborns start to get too unruly, Luna has a piano concert and calms the populace into subserviance.

>>17488574
I don't know about the last part, anon. This is a /vt/ map, they don't come here specifically. They are more like deities

>>17488574
Let's not get into the real reasons for the French revolution here anon

>>17489194
Generals are influenced by what their oshi do, but the Luna one is relatively calm in general

>>17489194
i thought most people didn't like that idea and prefered having them as demigods/physical deities that actually exist. desu, not having the chuubas in the map at all would be kind of stupid imo.

>>17489350
>Generals are influenced by what their oshi do
I mean, sure but Luna doesn't come to /vt/ to have a piano concert, that's something that would happen in another "plane" I imagine

>>17489546
I wish we spent the last two threads arguing about the deity status, that would have been pretty interesting.

>>17490181
But they do walk among us.
cue song: what if god was one of us

>>17490181
wouldn't have been as long. how many arguments can you think of to have them not involved in their own nations?

Bump

bump

i swear I'll come back to the thread, I just gotta get novel ai to make me a coherent story based off of pic related

>>17468315
>>17494690
>>17500817
can you lazy faggots not even put in the bare minimum effort to breathe life into the general? a new topic, asking for updates on something, even just an inane comment, ANYthing is better than "bump"

>>17501836
Use Eustace

>>17501864
no

>>17490181
>>17489546
Imo the chuubas are like a mix of olympian deities and valhalla.
They live on a realm above us and are independent from our daily life (internet/vtuber world)
Our prayers also meant nothing since we're the minority compared to the other realms (reddit/discord/twitter)
But our realm also have its use as some of our people attained godhood (/asp/, PhaseConnect, Cyberlive)
And some of the deities occasionally pay a visit because the heavenly realm wasnt that interesting (Kiki, Pippa)

>>17506560
why do you need different realms to describe something that can be described by status. how likely is anyone to be in the prescence of a ruler if the ruler doesn't try to participate in the lives of their subjects? some memes that originate here get passed along to the vtuber world through other people (usually reddit and twitter) passing it along until they notice it. how can that be explained in your example? is there anything that your could explain that the other couldn't explain better? this is a genuine/good-faith question, btw, though i might be articulaating it incorrectly.

>>17507358
Because this setting is /vt/ aka 4chan
Not a representation of the entire fandom/community and every other sites involved
My headcanon is that other off-sites are other dimensions. like the Nordic 9 realms.

>>17507593
that is an interesting interpretation, it almost makes me want to change my mind desu, but what i said never required the setting to be anything outside of 4chan. all i was saying was that they be had to access while still being in the same world. did the nordic gods get stronger in every realm when more people from any realm worshipped them? i figure a god's power in a realm should be limited to that realm, but i haven't studied that mythology yet. wasn't there supposed to be a way to travel between realms?

>>17510281
>wasn't there supposed to be a way to travel between realms?
I don't remember too much about nordic mythology but there's a rat or squirrel idk going up and down in Yggdrasil, which is the tree that connects different realms
The Yggdrasil of this world could be Internet
Someone correct me if I'm wrong

>did the nordic gods get stronger in every realm when more people from any realm worshipped them?
I don't know about this

>>17501864
We're in holding pattern until some anon with graphic design skills makes the territorial chart of the map.

>>17512446
well, if your idea were to get more popular, i am sure anons here would work out the details, but it's important to think about these things before too, because if you could travel to other realms (reddit, twitter, etc) then we could potentially invade/be invaded by redditfags and newfags and what not. if the power of the gods could be influenced from out or realm worshipping, then the most popular would be the strongest, irrespective of the threads. it's also worth knowing how they influence each realm. if they could only influence the realms they are actively in, then kiki and pippa would be the only nations with the backing of living gods, and would therefore gain an unfair advantage /here/. if they play no role in the daily lives, then you'll have to explain why atheists and what not don't exist, which is boring and stupid, but if there is any influence, you need to explain how, and what kind of influence they get. i think your idea is genuinely interesting, but you need to develope it further.

>>17513368
>i think your idea is genuinely interesting
I wasn't that anon, I just saw your reply and I wanted to help with something I might know
Although at the beginning I would've said that they are trascendental gods but now that you mention the normalfags on Reddit and Twitter and how they can come and go here, I think I changed my mind
The gods here could have diminished powers, the diminishing powers could be explained by we being all anonymous unless they reveal themselves and our status is equal to them

>>17512446
>rat or squirrel idk going up and down in Yggdrasil
Ratatoskr? I'm split if it could be assigned to bae or our local treerrat.
Also if the eagle is Lui, who would be the serpent?

>>17514709
i heard the /meat/ flag had some relation to the serpent who ate corpses and tries to destroy the tree. akira's group has a serpent in it (the 6 eyes represent them)

>>17514937
/meat/'s dragon is this guy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiuhcoatl

>>17516295
ya, but someone said they also liked the connection to the serpent at the bottom of the world tree. they seemingly wanted to mix the refrences, hence the old germanic for meat being in runes.

>>17516620
or at least someone mentioned them in the thread when they were talking about how to make the flag.

/meat/ really has been getting the best stuff in terms of lore and content

>>17516753
/inf/ was getting some interesting lore at one point too, i remember. also i really liked that one /nasfaq/ lore with the
>mori experience

>>17516753
where the heck is /meat/ anyway?

>>17518038
jannies kill the threads a lot. they rarely last for very long.

>>17518086
It will be interesting on what would happen to their place if they are permabanned. Will it be like archeologists finding the aztec sacrificial sites the first time?

>>17520721
Cannibal refugee crisis, most of us would just go back to our home splits, but with no outlet to cannibal post, weird things might happen

>>17521069
desu, /meat/ and other stuff like that is one of the many things that are good for keeping normies out. i think that was why /g/ existed, and still exists on 2ch. it kind of sucks that it isn't more prevelant. there aren't enough english vtubers who feel comfortable filling that niche, and like how videogames reduce violence, i believe safe outlets for dangerous emotions is good for the user, too.

>>17521069
>be me
>enjoying another peaceful day in mediterranean island
>saw a nuke dropped on meat territory
>horde of refugee escaping
>provide them food and shelter
>night time
>they feast

>>17523891
i would imagine /meat/ would start getting serious about focusing the group that nuked them. the lower classes are barbarians and what not, but the higher classes are cultists who are more secretive and what not, so they would likely try to retaliate in a more secretive way first, maybe weakening whoever attacked them so as to set up a scenario for a later raid. with that said, ya, anyone who takes them in should pay attention for anyone who goes missing.

>>17513166
>territorial chart
Can't we use the climate chart as pseudo territories?

>>17526500
The climate chart doesn't exactly make sense, and that isn't normally how territorial borders are made anyway. Normally they go by:
>natural barriers (mountains, canyons, water bodies, etc)
>man-made barriers (border walls, fortifications, watch towers, etc)
>climate barriers
Why are those at the bottom? Because living beings will often fight to claim the most beneficial territory that they can adapt to, which humans tend to be very good at given their ability to create tools and understand the world around them.

>>17528408
Which is why i've suggested it as pseudo-territories. To act as starting points. Just like when early explorers found land and claimed it as theirs. Those who explored late may settle on unclaimed lands or challenge the current occupants with their lore based militia or perceived blessings of their patron oshi.

>>17529749
If only... Kronies are out here trying to make floating Borg Cubes on the map for their Oshi isolation simulator.

>>17529884
that was a joke. they want their own little island, not a borg cube neccesarily.

>>17513166
would add some more shit to the test map or refactor it once the guy that said he was collecting lore posts drops his thing so >we can work out best locations for what was given, outside what some have already solidified as their territory/what no one wants, such as /ybc/, /inf/, /vtl/, maybe kfp and meat since they seemed to have some fun making lore together.

>>17436594
I haven't been in these thread since the very first one, is this the one you decided on?
>reads thread
I'm not even surprised this type of general is full of disagreements, at least make sure to incorporate it into the lore when everything is set.
Also, just a suggestion, any chance you can garner lore/location ideas from posts made by generals back when Ame showcased her Holoearth map in the summer? Also, as a 35p, would you suggest making a pekomicomet general to discuss possible locations to be a good idea?
I know this is 4chan and all, but please try to stay civil and work through the disagreements I believe in you guys to make something decent.

>>17530963
last thread was worse

I think a pekomicomet nation at the moment doesn't make sense since that general is dead. A miComet nation though, that's another story, they could be born from the remainings of the pekomicomet nation. I don't know what else would be the story otherwise, the Suisei general has a lore around somewhere but they would be on an island or bay, probably alone and 35p don't even have lore iirc

>any chance you can garner lore/location ideas from posts made by generals back when Ame showcased her Holoearth map in the summer?
maybe, but there's another map being used. Probably people could grab lore

>>17530963
It had been civil
The arguments were just 2-3 anons

>>17531450
the guy said 2-3, but i know i was involved in it, and that he didn't count me in it. it was probably because i was in there for a really long time though.

>>17531299
>pekomicomet nation
I meant more like the nations of /peko/, /miko/ and /comet/, where they would be located (possibly bordering each other), lore and strife between them etc.
I'd like to know if there is still a consensus on the map being used or if there is a chance it gets changed, before I try making a thread for locations. I'd personally want more islands and lakes in the northern (Holo?) part of the map, but I can't into geography nor map making so feel free to ignore me.
BTW, kinda unrelated, but I saved this pic from the summer map making threads, any ma(p)utist anon feel like commenting on it?

>>17531697
The entire northern part of the map is pretty lacking in terrain variation

>>17532108
i think it was just an example

>>17531697
>I'd like to know if there is still a consensus on the map being used or if there is a chance it gets changed
I think there's a general consensus on the map right now. The conflicts are other things. The Kronii general is planning to do an island at the east side of the map in the ocean though

this is the Suisei general lore/description atm >>17414304. I'm a hoshiyomi, I just asked in the general and I got that but it wasn't written by me, I just copypasted. I imagined an isolationist nation since the general is pretty much the only place to talk about Suisei most of the time. I don't know how the Miko or Pekora general could border the Suisei general unless instead of an island, I choose a bay but there are no bays nor islands with mountains, so idk

>>17530019
I am aware that it was a joke. I was making a joke myself, but somewhat half-seriously pointing out that the cities have quite a bit of development beyond just being dependent lands.

If no one beats me to a vectorized map, I might just do blanks and start marking locations that make more sense to mark with regards to territories.

>>17531697
>that outline
Isn't that just Glen Quagmire's head? Fits right in with Chad of all territories...

map

>>17532108
>>17532139
Yeah it was just an example, the northern continent just seemed empty, but I guess that allows nations to set their own geography. My own suggestion for Mikoland would include a volcano, for example, but we'd have to talk it out with the others.
>>17532161
>Isolationist island nation
If anything that makes things easier, avoids that border conflict and maybe even turns it into a contested trade routes problem, which is also interesting. I envision Mikoland to be a trade center bordering many nations and accommodating multiple trade routes so it checks out. Again, these are just my personal thoughts though.
>>17533529
>Glen Quagmire's head
Never heard of him, I just saved the pic because I found it interesting.

>>17537215(me)
Forgot to ask, are there parameters that govern the size of nations, eg subscribers?

Mamp

map

>>17537292
For one thing, these are /vt/ threads
Not the official chuubas themselves
So their power would be based of
>age of general
>average IP/Posters
>Contributions/OCs

>>17543125
The power level should be based on the insanity of the rrats and the level of fear the thread generates. The poor dirtfarmers of hlgg should be brought low before meat, pyon, and carl threads.

anon should take a break from worldbuilding and go to sleep

>>17543287
>power level should be based on the insanity of the rrat
That can't be measured since any powerful rrat is immediately snuffed out

>>17543125
>>17543287
Dont listen to him, the nousagi just want to control the narrative and spread their lies to the masses.

>>17543287
>>17543125
>morig becomes one of the strongest nations
please no

>>17543287
>/morig/ becomes the ruler of Holo Empire
>Everyone fears deadbeats for their doxx magic
No

>>17543125
>>Contributions/OCs
I feel like this wouldn't be significant for most anons since not everyone is checking what other generals are doing. For example, I heard that Kronii's general makes a lot of fanfics but I never read one nor I care about them.
Picrel is one of the OCs some anon in the Suisei general did tracing some art. There's like 13 of these and they don't go outside of the general

Bump

>>17537292
For a lack of better term, I believe the thread's power can be measured by it's "presence". But not like when you outright break containment like pink bunny, rather a common anon's familiarity of the thread.

>>17553089
>>17553947
>Implying /morig/ isn't a laughing stock after how hard they actually got cucked last week.
Who the fuck would be loyal to Mori after what she did.

>>17560086
so esoteric threads = weak...
nah

>>17543125
>>17560086
Assuming we go with "presence", how would that be established? It's not like there's an exactly objective way to determine that, as asking people in their own threads may suggest higher relevance than in actuality. Assuming this general is the "head" of the projecr, I think it would be a good idea to try and determine a rough draft of areas for each general then push it to them for feedback.
That said, I'm against the "presence" suggestion because, as /vt/ is a predominantly EOP and redditfag/Twitter fag-infested board, ENs (of all corps/indies) would be disproportionately represented compared to their JP counterparts. Half the Holo and Niji continents would be EN members, I'd wager. Similarly, this us why the rrat >>17543287 suggestion isn't great either, though there may be a bit more balance there.
Average IP/posters can be a metric, though I wonder how that would work with many posters participating in multiple threads. Age of threads can be incorporated into each nation's lore, I feel. It does make me wonder, how many of the original generals when /vt/ opened up have stayed without merging/fizzing out. I don't imagine we'd include /jp/ stuff, right?
I would still put forth my subscriber proposal, but it would include some scaling to fit the map. That is, in the Hololive continent, since many of the Holos have 1mil+ subs, their size may end up similar to Niji nations with 100k subs, or with smaller Corp chubas with 10k subs.

<<To take the lives of one million people, 5,000 kilometers away, with my very own hands!>>

>>17561353
>how many of the original generals when /vt/ opened up have stayed without merging/fizzing out
Towa general and Suisei general are the first two that come to mind. The Okayu general, which is one of the first, ended up merging with the Korone general
One would need to check the archives for these things
Average IPs is the best metric to know the power of a nation imo

>>17561278

>>17564213
I want to run away from the drama but it leaks everywhere

>>17526500
>>17528408
>The climate chart doesn't exactly make sense, and that isn't normally how territorial borders are made anyway. Normally they go by:
>>natural barriers (mountains, canyons, water bodies, etc)
>>man-made barriers (border walls, fortifications, watch towers, etc)
>>climate barriers
also people generally keep to areas directly in-between climates for access to hunting/gathering in both climates

>>17564323
>the dread plauge of the dead braps

so what's everyone's thoughts on what the chuuba's should be, should they be physical, or like that one anon suggested previously, should it be realm based?

>>17571373
I feel like they should be more like abstract gods rather than physically present, them being physically present turns this project from nationbuilding into Fate powerlevels bullshit

>>17571489
you want them to be abstract because you want them to not play as important, and that's the only way you can think of to do so. what would realistically prevent that kind of setting from losing it's connection to /vt/ as a concept. i think realms, or apathetic deities would be a preferable alternative to them merely existing as abstract concepts. that's just my opinon though, of course.

>>17571489
im all for fantasy kitchen sink type worldbuilding, but some want the comlete opposite.

>>17571866
Or let the threads decide the status of their chuuba, may that be dieties, god kings, monarchs or whatnot.

>>17572246
imagine fighting against a nation backed by a literal god without being backed by your own. i initially was a fan of the demigod/physical god idea, but the more i think about it, the more realms makes sense to me. if you want your chuuba to not participate in your realm, you can have that, and if you want your chuuba to lead your nations, you can have that too without needing them to actively exist in the realm, though they can do that if they so please. you get the possibility for any option you want, so i think i am in favor of it at this point. btw i am the only one besides the guy who said it that has actually advocated for this that i know of.

>>17571489
That wouldnt work when some gods lurk here (Phaseconnect, Cyberlive, Risu) or actually lives here (Kiki, everyone in /asp/)

>>17573097
then those aren't gods, they are like mayors or kings or something

I am hungry

>>17573744
Hello hungry

>>17573744
Get in line, Anon, there're a hundred chuuba deities that need stuffing and pampering before we'll have anything to spare for you

>>17575034
/meat/'s dead again. kind of sucks.

>>17575034
Dont worry we only target retired chuubas
For now
>>17579196
Wait really? Make a new one then!

>>17575034
I want to tender that meat first before having a taste

>>17579292
i don't want to get banned for a month for no reason.

>>17579509
Same
Anyone else brave enough?

>>17579641
hopefully someone can get one up that lasts until bump limit, but idk. good luck otherwise.

>>17571489
>Fate powerlevels bullshit
I'm thinking Gods more like the Lord of the Rings. such as the Ainur. Physically present but hands off extremely powerful but using that power in abstract ways. They either act that way because thats just how their power functions or because using their power directly would cause too much devastation

Bump

>>17572701
>imagine fighting against a nation backed by a literal god without being backed by your own.
That thread will die. god has abandoned your thread. Otherwise it would run on concepts (numbers), population (asp), or a few dedicated followers (tsugu).

>>17562228
>In the beginning, there are no generals. Only the primordial ether of copium permeates throughout the void.

>>17564213
You can't claim you're feared and then demand no one shittalk when you your oshi fucks up.

>>17584612
Why not the dieties in skyrim or mtg? They sometimes interact with mortals. Drinking wine (sanguine) or ascending to godhood (xenagos)

>>17590089
On the note of origins, will these continents be the whole world? Or would the initial settlers be people exiled from /jp/land?

>>17593885
/jp/land could be far and distant lands. Like in the LOTR

>>17590405

>>17593885
The history goes as follows
>/jp/-Antediluvian Heavenly Kings Era
The time of primordial myth. When the Heavenly King deities ruled over the world.
Kizuna, Mirai, Siro, Kaguya are the Titanomachy.
Minor deities attempted to challenge them like Fuji Aoi but to no avail.
Then came the two minor deities, Sora and Mito
At first the primordial ones saw them as small challengers until
>The Spring
From everywhere new religions appeared. Nijisanji, 774, and Hololive
The golden age of /hlgg/
Over time the Titanomachy lost their powers
Kizuna lost control over her pantheon, the rest couldnt stop against the reformists
With cheaper methods of attaining godhood, almost everyone could be an indie deity
Over time the influence of the new deities grew as the monopoly of previous pantheons fell
It grew out of hand until
>/jp/ - /vt/ Transition
The Great Flood of the 4chan Vtuber community
The realm of /jp/ banished every vtuber worshipper to realm of /vt/
Those that stayed in /jp/ are either loyalists of the old religions (Animare, Nijisanji JP, Honeystrap, JP indies) or remnants of the primordial Heavenly Kings
Schisms between the JP and EN communities, the influence of the Heavenly Kings gone to the void
A new Era has arrived
>The Beginning of /vt/
We all know this part
/hlgg/ empire survived but became /hlg/, think HRE claiming itself to be Rome
Other corpo community also survived
But their influence is no longer JP centered, instead they have mutated into becoming regionalists
SEA, KR, EN
Over time new smaller pantheons appear, and so are minor indie deities
MyHoloTV, Tsunderia, Vshojo
>The present
Too many deities, too many pantheons, too many organizations, too many conflicts
There are those who want to become gods (/asp/)
There are gods among the commoners (/pyon/)
There are those who defile the gods (/ringo/, /ag/, /meat/)

>>17591742
In my mind that would work too. I just prefer the way Tolkien has power described and used in mystical ways. They could break continents and reshape the world with their struggles but they don't take such direct actions because of how that effects the populations living there. I think its works as a way to allow threads to have their chubbas as their head of state without allowing people to just claim that takes actions that would lead to power level arguing. There is also the aspect that the chubbas aren't unified so overt action would invite response and any direct conflict between two chubbas would have the possibility of having ripple effects across the world. This would then cause all the cubbas outside of the conflict to unite against the two in conflict to prevent their fighting from damaging the foundations of the world. The idea being that none of them can take direct actions because it would invite a response from everyone

>>17599615
In the /jp/ era the meats/sandbag cult, wvt, and Tsugu were banished to the hell of /trash/. They came here tinged by its monstrosity.

bump

bump

/nene/'s navy

>>17599615
Good shit. I love it

>>17599769
Why would they banish tsugu?

BLACK OUT

>>17612303
Have you seen Tsugu? They're weird. Just image posting, no discussion, no replies, no streams. They belong to /vt/ because she's technically a vtuber but they're as weird as her videos. It doesn't surprise me that they where banished to /trash/

>>17614073
/tsugu/ waiting for the next installment to their oshi's arg
While still getting cucked out of her VHS tapes

>>17612303
No one ever figured out why they thought tsugu wasn't /jp/ relevant.

>>17599615
>/ag/
>defilement
Filthy fucking blasphemer

>>17581991
/meat/ threads would probably last longer if they were sugar coated as vore instead of cannibalism.

>>17620245
vore is shit thought, they do not understand any of the appeal of actual cannnibalism and instead substitute it for whatever fantasy they've got.

>>17620245
fuck off fag I'll eat your oshi and there's nothing you can do to stop me

>>17620936
>>17621236
DO NOT DENY OUR KINSHIP BROTHER, EATING AND BEING EATEN ARE TWO SIDES OF THE SAME COIN

>>17620245
vore is really not at all the same thing as cannibalism in terms of target audience

>>17622174
lol, /meat/ having a debate over whether or not vore should count as /meat/ on the world building thread. they are different in means, but are the same in result. vore is impossible and somewhat uncreative. if you've seen any dolcette stuff, you'll know that presentation is a major factor for them. if i were to try to connect this to world building, i would say that vore would loosely be part of the general idea of /meat/ but wouldn't be respected by the general population. also, as far as lore goes, how would you eat a person whole? what mechanic would you use to be able to do it? you could always take the snake route where your jaw is parted in the middle, allowing you to open it, but then you need to explain how you can avoid the internal bleeding caused by eating something the size of your whole body. basically you'll need to reinvent what it means to be a human.

>>17622765
cannibalism is about eating, not swallowing whole, vore is to not be allowed on a cannibalism thread because it's 2 different audiences, and frankly vore is grotesque in its presentation as opposed to how just eating and cooking works

Chumbuds should live as a small country along the south western coast

>>17622765
>how
I mean Hard Vore is essentially just /meat/ and all you'd need for soft vore is a cult of people ready to present themselves as feed stock to a chuuba's favored priest.
As for the human part, there were a few lore post that suggest /meat/ have blessings that let them reattach limbs and other gruesome blessings. I don't see why an elastic constraining stomach blessing would be off the table.

>>17623147
the difference doesn't come from whether it's hard vore or soft vore you retard, it's from straight up swallowing whole and the disgusting bloating from the stomach that all vorefags seem to like, why can't you understand that?
cutting off a chuba's limbs and cooking them is cannibalism, NOT VORE.

>>17623408
You're a FUCKING IDIOT.
Eating a chubba and being eaten by a chuuba is vore, regardless of whether you chop them up into pieces and cook them or swallow them whole like a cartoon. You're still eating a flesh and blood biped of the same species, its not like it suddenly stopped being cannibalism.

>>17622946
hard vore and cannibalism both involve consuming. i agree that vore is trash (especially soft/ same-size vore) but considering that vore is mainstream while cannibalism is literally guro (erotically grotesque) i don't know if you can use that word to describe it. soft vore is absolutely unrelated to canibalism, but /meat/ was expanded to include /sbg/ (royna, guro, cannibalism, vtubers related to those things) so since hard vore ends in snuff, it is technically guro. and since they are eating them regardless, it is still technically cannibalism. as i said, the difference is in presentation, the only similarity is where everything ends up. vore is sloppy eating, but it is still eating, just skipping the first stage of the digestive system.

>>17623147
that was what i meant. that lore (pic rel) is justified because of mai-chan, there is also a snake among the 6 (https://ryonankoclub.wixsite.com/website)) which is why i suggested that connection.

>>17623408
>>17623543
you both are retarded. people who like vore aren't the same as the ones who like cannibalism, just like different preferences for positions of sex aren't the same thing, but at the same time vore does achieve the same end goal, just in a sloppy and uncreative way. at the very least could you guys wait for the next /meat/ thread to pop up before arguing over this autism?

>>17623749
fuck meant to include this

>>17623749
nobody likes a fence sitter, you neutrality nigger

>>17623871
i'm not fence sitting, i am saying hard vore counts as /meat/, but should be looked down on

So how did the Vtuber board end up with a sizable population of cannibalism fetishists?

>>17625214
/g/ may have played a role in that. this isn't the secret club anymore, but it is still edgy. the newfags who come here for edgy content don't come to /vt/, while the oldfags who decide to be openminded with the new boards find a culture that has yet to be fully formed. /vt/ isn't recognized by many vtubers (besides kiki, pippa, and maybe a few others) so the end result is a culture that is more open to oldfag ideals while still having it's own interrests. also, there are few places cannibalism can be talked about openly. the number of royna vtubers attracts cannibals to the general concept, and when they see instances where their interests are talked about, they engage in it. this is basically what happens when two niche subjects overlap.

>>17624102
>hard vore should be looked down on
As a soft fag, I actually partially agree with this.
Anyways, vore faggotry is a complex art form that you simple minded barbarians wouldn't understand. To become a part of your chuuba and to meld into her flesh is one of the greatest rewards a man could ever wish for, you lack the proper understanding between the inherent sensuality and eroticism of being swallowed as a meal for a greater being.
/meat/'s hunger will never be quenched but our satisfaction will be eternal knowing we've served our oshi with the full extent of our body and mind.

>>17626249
simpleminded barbarians? i mean, we are barbarians, but simple minded? how dare you, you slobberish children? you call vore an art, but you don't even cook your meals, you weat them raw without any preparation. imagine thinking it is more artistic to eat a potatoe straight from the dirt without even cleaning it than to cook it, season it, and present it on a plate like civilized people. and by the way, you can swallow as much as you want with cannibalism, you just lose out on the flavor by doing that, either way the body gets destroyed by acid and incorporated within the greater whole. you skip the first part of digestion, and therefore present a higher risk of indigestion. by all accounts, vorefags are just inferrior.

>>17623543
>Eating a chubba and being eaten by a chuuba is vore, regardless of whether you chop them up into pieces and cook them or swallow them whole like a cartoon.
vore comes from devour, which means swallowing whole. cannibalism doesn't fall under vore, vore falls under cannibalism, but only the hard variant, and only when it involves the same species, otherwise it is an entirely separate thing. soft vore is not, nor will it ever be /meat/.

>>17626982
It is a transcendant experience that binds one eternally to the divine you uneducated fool. Vore is a tier above the squabbling of your confused fleshery, you're deluded in thinking that just because your tools help your weak and fragile bodies digest that they're superior, like a cripple believing their cane is superior to a leg. You claim to be superior yet you use vegan food comparisons as opposed to carnivorous ones, how curious
An idol capable of devouring another in such a quick and predatory manner, swallowing a fully grown anon within a matter of seconds, is nothing short of godly. You make the unconscious feeble comparisons of prey, thinking that the idols I worship could ever compare, you're not able to control these ideas as they're your natural place in this earth. We understand the truth, that all are prey before them and that true enlightenment is to become one with our oshis through divine devourment. To lash out and try to hopelessely grasp at that hierarchy is not only foolish but a disgusting waste of good nutrition.

>>17628490
it's disgusting. with the sole exception of the fact that you prefer feeding yourself and your society to your chuubas, you described a process that cannibalism encompasses, and surpasses. /meat/ eats chuubas, both their own and the chuubas of others. a society based on your ideals would collapse, as it deserves to. if i used a carnivourous comparrison, it would literally be describing vore. you would eat an impoverished, dirty lepper whole, consume their diseases and filth, and then go on to pretend you are superior for having done so. no creativity or art is involved there, it's just slobbish degeneracy. you make /ag/ look wholesome. lets stop talking about this. there will clearly be no conclusion, and having this discussion here is inappropriate.

>>17630051
You scorn the noble efforts of the architects who are noble and diligent in their works. You lack commitment or loyalty to your oshi and sample whatever you please like a flea market whore.
You're correct in the sole instance that we have no more to say to one another and this would be better suited elsewhere, it's a meaningless task to try to teach a rabid baboon to know quote scripture.

>>17630051
You scorn the noble efforts of the architects who are noble and diligent in their works. You lack commitment or loyalty to your oshi and sample whatever you please like a flea market whore.
You're correct in the sole instance that we have no more to say to one another and this would be better suited elsewhere, it's a meaningless task to try to teach a rabid baboon to know scripture.

>>17630978
btw, i would not be opposed to having a section of /meat/ operate as you described. as long as it's hard vore i think it counts. just be warned that if eating people makes your god fat, the rest of /meat/ might be inclined to eat them. also, /ag/ is subtle, which is why they need to be noble and diligent. that doesn't make them wholesome. sorry for continuing this like a hypocrite, just wanted to make sure you knew.

>>17632461
>>17630978
I could agree to that, the hard vore clans would be ostracized as scoundrels (which they are) and live on shakey terms with the rest of the islanders.

>>17632773
>solving disagreements like actual adults
wait, this is 4chan, you can't do that!

>>17630051
I respect and understand both of your doctrines, and yet my own is slighted offhand. I won't debate the ethics and philosophy of murderers, but know that the architects will be reveling in the love and bountiful flesh of their oshis forevermore while you both can only find finite beauty in destruction.

>>17633099
>world building before kink favoritism
even if I were going to be generous to them, they'd at most be a small tribe that is widely disliked and is constantly depleting in number to feed their chuuba. Thats not even considering the deaths from trying to protect their chuuba, their open willingness to feed their oshi without a fight will cause her to grow lazy and dull her predator instincts.

>>17634300
arcitecture is based, especially in comparrison to vore. /meat/ gets tasty oishiis from /ag/, while vore greedily swallows the whole meal themselves, and doesn't even savor the taste. gluttonous slobs.

>>17634507
in the larger scale, i agree with you, however, a lioness in captivity is no house cat, no matter how tame.

>>17636815
I feel like there's a third predatory fetish that we're forgettings and once we unite them all we will cause a flesh eating apocalypse or cannibal holocaust and nobody will be able to stop us.

>>17637183
does vampirism count as cannibalism? my initial thought was yes, but then i realized that drinking and eating are not the same.

>>17637359
Technically, I'm pretty sure if you drink someone elses blood you're considered a cannibal.

>>17637359
>>17637499
a vampire is not a human being
are zombies canibals? No these folks are all undead

>>17637568
vampirism is anything that drinks blood. vampires are not fanged, bloodthirsty demons that live in coffins and don't like the sun, though many folktales describe them as that. zombies are technically walking human corpses (medical zombies arejust braindead) so it is arguably cannibalism if the body is already dead. cannibals have been described in many ways by folktales (ghouls, for example, are graverobbing cannibals, they don't need to be undead, though many depictions of cannibals describe them in a way that implies brain degregation due to prions and what not, which could make them medical zombies, but not undead zombies) if we were to follow your standard, cannibalism would be impossible because anything that ate their own species would no longer count as a part of that species.

>>17637568
If vampire ate a vampire, is that cannibalism?

>>17640849
whether or not vampires are humans or their own species, the answer is yes either way if they are the same species. why even ask?

Do we even have a vore thread?

>>17647086
no, but you can always make one and see if anyone cares.

Bump

>>17648412
It would be seen as diet-/meat/

>>17650785
>white women vomitting up the food they already ate, thinking of it as some kind of diet
why are they like this?

>>17530963
So anyone compiling the lore from the land before time?

>>17652931
what was the date for the Amelia version of the chuuba world? When did she announce it, I mean

>>17653495
Aug. 15, 2021 I think.

>>17530963
>>17652931
Logically, Ame's Holoearth and /vt/-Earth arent mutually exclusive
One is the realm of the goddesses, the other is the realm of shitposting worshippers

>>17653924
I can't find the main thread but I found this image

>>17654314
Asgard, Realm of the Aesir gods
Niji Earth would be Vanaheim, Realm of the Vanir Gods
>>17436594
/vt/ would be Helheim, Realm of the dead
or Jotunheim, realm of the giants
>>/jp/
Niflheim, the oldest realm where life began, now frozen and abandoned

>>17654314
it's cute that every chuuba's land represents them in some way.

>>17653924
>>17654314
here it is https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/thread/7971320
there's also different flags trough the splits

>>17654800
i'm retarded, here's the pic with more quality

>>17654519
>>17654314
>anon from /vt/ realm goes on pilgrimage to Holoearth
>gets to receive blessing from his oshi
>returns home to /vt/ realm
>first thing he sees is a shitstorm of trolls coming
>and /ag/ forcefeeding every civilian in the streets

>/nene/ - the remnant of a once great realm, largely swept away by a troll invasion. Attempt by /shishilamy/ forces to restore order in the land failed, leaving many Nekkos as refugees

https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/thread/7971320/#q7976220 Kiara lore
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/thread/7971320/#q8007001 Suisei lore
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/thread/7971320/#q7976653 Haachama lore
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/thread/7971320/#q7977605 Holoworld war
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/thread/7971320/#q7982324 Phoenixland with image and Twitter link
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/thread/7971320/#q7990957 tldr but here's something about the EN lore
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/thread/7971320/#q7992647 Gura flag
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/thread/7971320/#q7993200 tldr but lore about gen4
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/thread/7971320/#q7994774 tldr but something about gen5
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/thread/7971320/#q7997725 Amelia lore
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/thread/7971320/#q8009141 Watame lore
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/thread/7971320/#q8015373 internsal politics of Phoenixland
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/thread/7971320/#q8020445 more Haato/Haachama lore
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/thread/7971320/#q8018909 more Suisei lore

there could be a lot more but I ignored most of it and went straight to the walls of text

>>17654519
Could be interesting for a "Conjuntion of the Spheres" type event

>>17655643
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/thread/7971320/#q7971320 this is the main thread that I used btw. If someone else wants to go diving, there it is

>>17655701
Nice collection. Placements should be easy. Right?

>>17657776
eh, that was a different world. Things have changed now and the lore for some nations might contradict itself with what there's now

bump

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>>17647086
The issue is it'd have to subsist entirely off of discussion since, unlike architecture, it's always overtly /d/, and unlike cannibalism, there aren't even many sfw pics you can use to imply or tease it.
/ag/ occasionally gets vore discussion. They're not a significant portion of the posters, but they're also not autistically screeched at when they fantasize.

bump

This dude seems to have made a lot of flags for different chuubas, maybe some threads could use them if nobody makes their own
https://twitter.com/jamoetaku/status/1489295575363178497

These hours are pretty dead huh?

>kfp consistently written as a vaguely central european militaristic empire and not as a ruthless gigantic megacorpostate.
literally for what reason. KFP are canonically all unpaid overworked employees on some massive self-sustaining Food-&-Stuff gigaconglomerate.
There's genuinely no reason to write KFP as anything else.

>>17669654
Because it's /kfp/ of /vt/ and its anons
Not KFP of Hololive and its redditors and youtube audience

The board's getting spammed by one schizo with a phone so have a bump

Holy schizos

>>17671325
>>17671900
How do we visualise this shitshow in /vt/ world?

>>17672094
It's The Angel of Archives

what's the age of consent among the /uoh/ people

>>17674049
First menstruation
Leave no egg unfertilized

Bump

>>17674118
>first menstration
anon that is far too conservative

>>17674049
>The mystical lands of uoh
>Where hags become loli, traps become loli and loli remains loli
>Such a breathtaking place that makes people weep and gasp in wonder
>The age of consent is now for they are forever lolis

>>17677719
so /uoh/ is a sort of neverland where everyone turns into lolis? are they only lolis when they are in uohland, would it change their age outside of uohland, too, or would it make them loli's permanently. are they all immortal or is it just a visual thing? would it physically weaken anyone who enters by giving them the body of a child (defensively useful due to reducing opponents to children, which they might not be used to, but reduces offensive capabilities for the same reason) as a /meat/ barbarian who also has a penchant for /uoh/, this is very important for me to know.

>>17678221
>are they only lolis when they are in uohland
Yes
>would it physically weaken anyone who enters by giving them the body of a child
Yes, the land senses ill intent and would do this to invaders.
>are they all immortal
No ;)

>>17680572
by immortal, i mean they never age (longevity immortality, not perfect immortality. they are children forever, what kills them?) if they get the weaknesses of being childlike, why wouldn't they get the strengths of being childlike? i mean, they'll be cute regardless, but it would be cool for world building in my opinion if they could benefit physically from their phisiology. at least let them live longer.

>>17681412
Longevity I guess.
Never ages, no diseases, all the benefits.

>>17684094
ok, but you also said they are only lolis when they are in uohland. if someone spent a long time in uohland and then left, would they age abruptly like the nazis from indiana jones or would they continue to age from their new loli age?

>>17684570
The effects grows weaker as you go farther out. Your age would catch up to you by the time you're out of uoh territory.

>>17684973
so is it exponential? if you were at the center of the territory, what age would you be (toddler or something)? if it is like an upward slope between the center age and whatever age you actually are, wouldn't it be true that the immortality would only really be present at the center (otherwise you still age due to the growing difference between your actual age and the ideal loli age, but it is significantly slower the further you are from the center, with the center being completely halted? is there a grace period that counts as the center, or do you need to be in the exact center of the entire territory to be truly immortal? would the immortal effects overlap with the lolification effects, or could you have immortal lolis of different age groups depending on their distance from the center that are just as immortal as the ones in the center, but once it gets to a certain point (when it is no longer considered a loli, maybe 12 or so) the immortality effect starts to wane until it is lost completely once it is outside the territory. and most importantly, if they died in uohland, would their corpse still be under the effects and then be lost outside of uohland, stop permanently at the stage they were in when they died (ignoring the decomposing process, of course), or immidiately return to the proper age? i would obviously prefer it if the effect makes their body stay lolis even outside of the uoh territory. it wouldn't be very polite for a meal to turn into dirt in your stomach when you left the hospitality of the host, now would it?

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>>17686241
There is no center, there is only the uoh territory. If you venture out it's vicinity, age would return to normal exponentially based on duration within uoh.
>spoiler
They die as loli, will be loli for a day outside the territory but same effect happens afterwards when outside.

>>17698522
>>17684973
>The effects grows weaker as you go farther out. Your age would catch up to you by the time you're out of uoh territory.
>age would return to normal exponentially based on duration within uoh.
i don't fully understand how these two can both be correct, but how fast would it be? if i am not mistaken, once you are inside the territory, you turn into a loli, and when you are outside the territory you slowly return to being normal. how fast do you turn into a loli, and how fast do you turn back once outside? if one is gradual, and the other is immidiate, why? i might as well ask if they go back to their original ages, or the ages they would have been if not for the neverland effect, as i was making assumptions before regarding people suddenly aging to dust when they exit. also, while i can guess, i should ask what they would do in uohland for all that time. just list as many things that pop in your mind, and i'm sure future loreposters will add to and potentially include what you say here.

bumperino

Bump

>>17702674
>>17702715
bump mind

/nasa/ is a space station that ocassionally floats up into space for a few days before coming back down

don't let this thread get lost, anons.

>>17705860
their technological level can accomodate to that of the world and explained away by losing a percentage of weapons and technology during the first crash landing

>>17709159
smart bit of worldbuilding. i was wondering how you would get around the technology difference.

Given what's happening in /infinity/, they should be called be given more land, but also nicknamed Civil War Country

>>17699555
>if one is gradual, and the other is immidiate, why?
Maybe like entering a room filled with carbon monoxide. You would immediately feel it's effect but if you go out, you will recover by gradual removal of the competitive inhibitor gas from your body. They will return to their supposed age when getting out of uoh. as to what they do?
>Cute and funny girls doing cute and funny things.

>>17712723
I always thought infinity just chants their insatiable lust over kronii day in and day out. why would conflict arise from that?

>>17715373
in the golden age maybe, but the Gosling Massacre of September 2021 wiped out most of the ruling Takeshi clan and sent the survivors into hiding

bump

What are some lore for /2434/ and the other niji split threads?

>>17720546
they need to send an envoy. Can't do much otherwise

>>17720546
I think some niji splits already sent lore.