/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>17614480
which of the ones on the bottom are worth watching?

>>17614480
>pure idols
>fauna
>ame
>gura

>>17614551
chloe is pure sex, she is in no way pure and the only thing stopping her from fucking every holostar 1 by 1 is she bathes less than once a month and has the smell to prove it going by her interactions with other gen6

>>17614551

Meanwhile actual idols

>>17614480
I feel like Ame shouldn't be in pure idol considering how insane she went on twitter over Shein's 3d debut. That shit was not pure

>>17614480
why is collabing with homostars worse than collabing with randoms
>>17614674
>she bathes less than once a month and has the smell to prove it
fuck gonna cum

>>17614934
that and her managing with the VRC, Seafoamboy, and Kanaru on all her projects

>>17614715
I want Flare to squish my banana between her thighs

>>17614480
Can you point me to a line that says they're idols, specifically HoloEN? Do you have a single piece of proof where a Cover/Hololive employee refers to them as idols?

>>17615157
Gross.

>>17614956
> why is collabing with homostars worse than collabing with randoms
/vt/ logic. You don’t anyone here going insane over male collabs unless they are with holostars.

>>17614551

>>17614671
Do you not see the quotation marks?
Flare isn't an idol, she takes the Noel kayfabe too far and a real idol would not have such kayfabe.
Kanta is an idol, doesn't GFE the audience beyond fanservice, but won't collabs with males out of respect for them. A real idol doesn't engage gachikoi, but she also doesn't shoo them away.
Luna has lesbian shit, not an idol.
Lamy and Nene do hardcore GFE, not idols.
Gura has a pottymouth and is lazy. Not an idol.
You know the primary reason for Ame not being one.
IRyS does GFE, not an idol.
Kronii is a lazy cunt and gender-changed her gen. Not an idol.
Sana is lazy and undedicated to her craft. Not an idol.
You know why Fauna isn't an idol.
>holox
GFE, not idols.

>>17614480
Another round of "/vt/ doesn't know what idols are". I bet you niggas never followed any idol groups before Hololive.

>>17615208
https://youtube.com/watch?v=fmsKBThJb24

>>17614480
OP is a HUGE faggot

>>17615522
It doesnt seem like you understand english

Do you have a single piece of proof where a Cover/Hololive employee refers to them as idols?

>>17615208
Google "Hololive Idol Project"

>>17614480
Not a single one of them is a virgin.

Unless you include Holostars. There should be a couple virgins there.

Not Rikku or Roberu, tho'.

>>17615600
Can you point me to where it says idol? It doesnt say anywhere in any of HoloENs pages or the talents page. The only one that is called a idol is "Virtual Idol Tokino Sora"
https://hololive.hololivepro.com/en

I'll ask again for the final time and hopefully you learn to read by now.

Do you have a single piece of proof where a Cover/Hololive employee refers to them as idols?

Being "idols" has always been a joke in Hololive, newfags.

>>17614480
Didn't Flare collab with her papa or something?

>>17614480
>Contacted males formally
What the fuck is this supposed to mean?

>>17615844
https://hololive.hololivepro.com/about
>ホロライブはアイドル活動で楽曲リリースや音楽ライブの他に、異世界創造プロジェクトなどさまざまなメディアミックスを展開しています
>アイドル
That's Japanese for Idol.
Please do not squirm, I don't have time to waste with secondaries taking Reddit memes about them not being idols seriously right now.

>>17614480
This fucking list is not even correct. But keep seething

>>17616079
So you dont have a single piece of proof that ever comes from the mouth of a Cover/Hololive employee calling HoloEN idols.
Got it, you fucking shiteater.

>>17616079
>>17615600
I could hire you as my employ, call my company or mission statement
>The Anon Idol Project
And still whore you out on the streets.
If they aren't performing an idol's jobs, they are not idols. It is that simple, you fucking retarded semantic cherry-picking fuck.

>>17616165
they've all literally referred to themselves as idols, shithead.

>>17616054
It is supposed to mean they didnt collab with a male but have done an interview or someshit with a male. The list isn't correct though and bunch of those who are put on "collabed with a male" go in to that category.

OP is just an idiot who hates unicorns and falseflags

>>17616165
>HoloEN
who the fuck cares about those whores

>>17616179
>>17616165
You were politely asked not to squirm.

>>17616179
>If they aren't performing an idol's job
Like taking part in Holofes? Stop coping and moving the goalpost.

>>17614480
IRyS talked with Oga at least twice, once on her Megaman 2 stream and another when Oga mentioned her new IP on twitter.

>>17616303
Too hard for ENfans

>>17616179
Please amuse us. What's an idol's job?

>>17616252
Kiara did collab with males. And said that gigguk is cute.

>>17616220
Korone calls herself a dog, does that mean she forfeits all her rights as a human? Do you realize just how retarded you sound?

>>17616413
Pretend to be the exclusive girlfriend of a mass of losers. What else?

So OP doesn't want idols to collab but also doesn't want them to do GFE either? Just what constitutes an idol then? At this point, you may as well think Suisei is one because she doesn't care about her audience and just her career.

Did I also forget gigastacy?

>>17614480
>homostars red
>other males orange

This color coding is backwards

>>17615458
idk why people legit think girls arent allowed to interact with dudes :/

>An idol (アイドル, aidoru) is a type of entertainer marketed for image, attractiveness, and personality in Japanese pop culture. Idols are primarily singers with training in acting, dancing, and modeling. Idols are commercialized through merchandise and endorsements by talent agencies, while maintaining a parasocial relationship with a financially loyal consumer fan base.

Sounds like all of them to me.

>>17614480
Miko collabed with a male a long time ago and has never done it again because she knows it bothers her 35p

>>17616303
>>17616367
Most of the girls in Hololive aren't idols. In fact, I think only Pekora and Kanata, who I explained why above, are.
I'm not a retarded newfag like you two that doesn't get understand what idolshit, or why it is cancer.
So let me ask you this: pretend that they all stop saying or being referred to as idols, but for every single girl, that changes nothing. Not how they act, not what they do, not who they collab with. Is that distinction upsetting to you? If it is, you might be autistic, because I can't imagine anyone but Holofags being retarded enough on referring to their talents as something they aren't.
Again, if you call a janitor, "Boss" it doesn't really mean he is your boss. He's still a fucking janitor.

>>17614480
>+3 for collab with holostars
>+2 for collab with males
>+1 for contacting males
>+0 for pure idol

gen 0 = 14/15
gen 1 = 12/15
gen 2 = 10/15
gen 3 = 5/15
gen 4 = 3/10
gen 5 = 3/10
gen 6 = 0/15
gamers = 4/9
en 1 = 6/15
en 2 = 6/15
id 1 = 9/9
id 2 = 9/9

>>17615881
Actual newfag larping

>>17616509
Ask Miko. She is the one who started that afaik.

>>17616555
Name ten idol groups you followed before Hololive.

this thread reads like fucking r/Hololive.

>>17616555
Anon. Pekora is going to collab with an ENwhore. She isn't an idol. Plus Kanata having the grip strength of a gorilla isn't idol like either.

>>17616511
>acting
so not 99% of hololive
>dancing
so not 98% of hololive
>modeling
so not hololive

Thanks for confirming they're not idols you retarded 3rd worlder~

>JP girls all say all the time being an idol was their dream
>durr dey don't really wanna be idol durrr I am a EOP retard durr

>>17616514
>Miko collabed with a male
>a male
>a
>one
>1
you sure about that one?

Baelz says that she is an idol all the time.

Anti-idol posters really outing themselves as newfags ITT

>>17616413
What >>17616511 said, but idols are also "unreachable" so no bfs, or pretending to be your audience's girlfriend. They must be admired from afar. Fanservice is okay. And no talking to males in public/a way your fans will know, your dedication to them is absolute because they are the pillars of your career.

>>17616756
Yep

>>17616555
Nice larp you retard.

>>17616555
You are fucking stupid, stop pretending you know what you're talking about it's embarrassing

>>17616922
>And no talking to males in public
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naDcDJWQwfI
Guess AKB48 aren't idols. Thank god I have Johnny Foreigner here setting the standards in stone.

>>17616922
So what you are saying is that 'idols' should just go back to just making videos with no interaction with anyone at all, correct? Basically just be as 'non interactive' as possible, am I right?

>>17616571
Wow it’s almost as if the longer you’re in the industry, the more likely you are to have collabed with a male at one point.
Except for ID. They’re sluts.

>>17617125
That's right, they aren't.
>>17617032
>>17616942
>no argument
Really, are you fucking Holofags this retarded? Fucking hell, my entire point is that them NOT being idols is okay, that's fucking better than them being idols because idolfaggotry breeds nothing but fucking cancer.
Hell, if they were fucking idols, their entire personalities would be produced. Their speech patterns and conversation topics would be decided by people in Cover, they'd rehearse everything they said before saying.
They'd be nothing but lore parrots that talked about merch and concerts
>Hello, I'm the Pirate Houshou Marine! Please buy tickets to my concert and remember to buy
x piece of shit product! Buy!
>>17617345
Learn2read

>>17616709
You seem to know a lot about the 3rd world.

>>17617489
>That's right, they aren't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXpyr0aVkHM
Morning Musume is not an idol group either apparently, weird, everyone including Japanese media seems to call them that.
Can you with your sage knowledge of idols provide me some idol group names you're a fan of?

>>17617489
Just stop posting

>>17614772
Fucking sluts.

>>17614480
an idol is a regular person being given a major boost in potential because of support from a large amount of people.
that is all.

Is that you Marineschizo? Haven't seen you for a while, buddy.

>>17617789
None, because idolshit is cancer.
>>17617837
>still no argument
So you concede to my point then? That you're nothing but fucking obsessed autistic freaks that despite knowing that if they weren't called idols and nothing would change, that'd still upset you?

is this idol schizo for real or just baiting?

>>17618114
cope

>>17618114
>None, because idolshit is cancer.
So you just claimed that the two biggest idol groups in Japan aren't idol groups (Alongside Hololive), yet claim to also not know anything about idols because it's cancer. That's fucking amazing 10/10 posts.
How did you learn about idols out of curiosity?

>>17618295
>only Japan has idols
You're a fucking retard.
>>17618236
the ironing lmao

>>17618114
Holy cringe this autist is still posting

>>17618492
Please respond to the question, how did you learn about idols and idol culture?

>>17618531
Through your mom's cunt.

>>17618548
I accept your concession.

Jesas is this your average idol hating EOP shart

Even people like Kuzuha and Kanae are called idols in japan. There is a wide range of idol types, from the ones who are strictly segregated by gender and alternative idols who are more punk.

>>17618598
Which one? You think only Japan has idol culture? You think only Japan's idol culture is the end-all, be-all? You think this shit would have flown in 80's/90's idolshit?

>>17614480
>f-fauna..

>>17618810
stop arguing like a tranny and kys already

>>17618852
>w-wah stop! please let me be a retarded, autistic incel that thinks Hololive is full of idols because they don't collab with males! Pls!
You are an impotent fat slob that I'd crush with no fucking problem.

>>17618938
lmao this tranny seething!

Just ban EOPs at this point.

>>17618975
>muh troons
Please, we don't want to hear about your sick fantasies. It's bad enough you're a holocuck already.

>>17619067
Nah, we are paying for your oshis too.

>>17615440
cope with your tryhard thread OP and make a new one

>>17619104
oh no no no he's seeing red!

>>17616377
>Oga mentioned her new IP
uho

>>17619145
You can do that while not being allowed to post on /vt/ or 4chan as a whole.

>>17619260
aren't you too busy sucking tranny cock to care about hologirls?

>>17619579
He's gonna blow!

>>17615713
Well they all were until I snuck into Japan and fucked them all

>>17619596
Like you blow trannies, you mean? No, I'm good :)

>>17619711
He's hit critical mass and using a smiley face to show he's totally not mad! Everybody get down!

>gura
I wonder if I should tell him

>>17620168
Shut the fuck up retard

>>17620397
cope

>>17614480
"oh no, the anime girl I watch in my spare time has been in the vicinity of a man"

Imagine being this frail. She's not going to fuck you anyway anon.

>Idols are when no male collabs
Yep, once again /vt/ doesn't know what an actual idol is

>>17614480
this image is peak idolschizo retardation and I love it

>>17620397
ayo what's the white boy mad about

>>17614480
Huh, why is collabing with Holostars the opposite of "pure idol". Holostars are gay, they are the least offensive form of male. Idol has nothing to do with males anyway, it has to do with music and creating an image of yourself as something aspirational and different from all the other whores. So, Sora is pretty much the only Holo who qualifies but others are trying to get there like Subaru or Pekora.

>>17620076
t.
No argument, holos are not idols, kys you depressed loser

>>17614480
This is probably the stupidest fucking tier list I've seen in my life. And I've seen the Cereal tier list

>>17614772
what the fuck is this, AK Dwarf - 48?

>>17626323
What cereal tier list?

>>17620168
Go ahead, let us know

>>17614480
Noel collabed directly with males in an among us collab. I don't remember the exact stream but it exists, it might not have had her with a viewpoint, it was sometime in 2021.

>>17614480
As a usagi, I say fuck idol fags Comedian is #1 and whatever results in a more entertaining stream the better for the entire fucking point is entertainment.
Raughs and Japes not gfe bullshit thank you very much

>>17614772
they're on an elevated position.

>>17630473
they're on an elevated position.

>>17614480
We need Choco to collab with more males, if someone doesn't marry her soon I fear Mel will have another 'incident' or Roboco will get abducted.

>>17614674
>>17614956
There's also a non 0% chance she was Oga's ex menhera GF who harassed him for years after he decided to gtfo when he realized sticking dick in crazy wasn't worth it and is now in cover to continue to stalk and harass him

>>17631079
It's not that it's their proportions, it's like on the cusp of being rather noticeably wrong like people with actual dwarfism.

>>17630979
don't make me want to say the j word

>>17614480
I love my pure shark wife

>>17614480
oh sorry let me ftfy

>>17632384
Based.

>>17614551
Laplus.

>>17614551
Nene is the only choice.

>>17631409
huh. maybe it's
>Asian
+
>woman

>>17632384
Don't you dare put the orange women in league with those other two dead whores.

>>17625864
Shut the fuck up nigger

>>17614551
Gwar Gura

>>17632384
>>17632876
I concur, Kiara is pure Seiso

>>17615440
>Nene does hardcore GFE
That’s a hard fucking stretch, hot damn.
You’d have to have something clinical to not being laughing along with her.

>>17637519
Frankly, not to be a boomer here but isn't all GFE inherently laughable when done by a streamer. Surely true GFE only exists on onlyfans or patreon or sites like that where it's actually 1-on-1.

>>17616509
I’m not a unicorn, but even I was well aware of the live-action idols lifestyle that occurs in Japan.
The thing is, despite how hard Yagoo was pushing the mentality initially (and with it being a dry meme etc etc)
Cartoon women can’t be “live action Japanese styled idols”. They can’t.
The closest thing Japan has done in the past was with anime characters, but then that usually gets wrapped back into their VAs, who then get idolized
And recent events completely aside, Japanese fans have slowly coming to terms with this.
You know why Kizu AI popped off like she did initially?
Because she always stayed in character.
Something that she was mostly able to accomplish due to it not being in a “streaming” context.
But despite all the “lore” and “theme” the folks at Hololive and beyond present themselves as, the fact that they’re streamers is what prevents them from doing “the character” for long periods of time.
Being a real Japanese Idol with real Japanese Idol fans may have fooled everyone initially, but at the end of the day they’re just content creators with an occurring theme. And there’s nothing wrong with that.

>>17637966
You’re not wrong, but you’re not gonna convinced all the delusional folks, especially here.
But as for your latter example, an onlyfans/patreon GirlFriendExperience isn’t anyway more “true” beyond the fact you’re paying them. (Rather than “donating”)
If money is somehow involved, it’s no different than buying a fucking hooker. To which if that’s your jam, okay, but it’s the same shit.

>>17638204
>the fact that they’re streamers is what prevents them from doing “the character” for long periods of time

Imagine you own a house and you are fine with your friends coming over uninvited. You see that's fine but one day they start bringing over strangers. Okay fine right? Doesn't matter if it is your house, your friends are cool with them so they must be cool right? So it turns out these strange people being invited into your house are absolute shit people, the kind that fake injuries and bait fights just so they can sue. Holostars and in general most Vtubers are not strangers. Anituber garbage, western internet celebrities who get their paychecks kicking up drama with random people on the internet, and cancel culture bitches are these strangers. Enter Mori Calliope.

>>17631193
that would be hilarious

>>17615440
>noefure
>kayfabe
retarded threadreader.
>durr sana so lazy
oh, it's you sanaschizo.
reveal a new trick, warlock. I tire of this one.

/vt/ has a bigger menhera problem than actual vtubing.

>>17638571
Not to downplay how hard some of them try, because damn. But it’s literally impossible in the given format. It’s not their fault either.

>>17638773
The main hole in your analogy is that Vtubers “friends” aren’t your friends. Even if they replied to your chat message or donation.
People can be entertaining without being your friend, however.
That said, to go along with analogy, the main issue for a lot of people (whether they realize it or not) is the change in content/entertainment when those “strangers” start coming in.
That’s all there is to it. People have a right to be upset over a change in entertainment, but to take it beyond that to a “personal level” is the issue.

>>17639677
>people have a right to be upset, but to voice that is beyond the pale
Why are you like this? People here aren't the ones making it personal, grifters who get into a hobby and then call out and shit on its fans who are resisting change are the ones who start drama, not the people who get upset over that change.

>>17617514
He's an American. of course he does

>>17639917
I know it’s hard to distinguish within the sea of anons, but I’m not “like” anything.
What I said is true, and stands above the reality of what’s been going on.
But that doesn’t automatically mean I’m implying what Mori did, letting one comment live rent free in her head spiral out of control only for her to continue on to create more damage, wasn’t stupid. It’s pretty fucking dumb, and really outs where unprofessional mind is at.
But what the fuck is anyone suppose to do about it? Do people really want to desperately be another “one comment” for her?

>>17640697
Not even him or who he’s replying too, but America isn’t the only first world, you third-worlder.

>>17638204
>Cartoon women can’t be “live action Japanese styled idols”. They can’t.
nice argument. absolutely flawless presentation.

>>17641209
Spoken in an “it is now inevitable” manner.
If streaming from home without nonstop crew alongside you wasn’t a thing, maybe it could’ve been a reality.

>>17614480
>Ame
She shows up in Holostar chats occasionally, especially during her debut months

>>17615440
based schizo retard

>>17632384
technically, Ina didn't collab with a vtuber, Michael was the cohost to a pixiv drawfest event she was hosting. Although, when Michael does eventually debut I'm sure he'll be wonderful

>>17616931
Which one (1) of them exactly do you mean?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkM1f6BY1mY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXqiWdG3Y0c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Yrf8mku6II
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8F_hWmN0dI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEhMvm8gPvY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yeg4XkzrMI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpCF21wsDHI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqQLrla5pDI
https://youtube.com/watch?v=x4Tnv-sXqy4
https://youtube.com/watch?v=iNb79BqnZC0
https://youtube.com/watch?v=zPnpRt6WAOI

>>17626090
>Subaru or Pekora
>music
Just keep playing JRPGs, please.

>>17617994
I didn’t expect a sane post in this thread. Godspeed, anon.

>>17614480
>Idol does cross promotion with parent companies less successful business
Hard to get more like an idol than that

>azki
>idol

>>17614772
why are they so tiny

>>17631193
i'm a unicorn and i'd like that

>>17614551
Gura

>>17651573
Azki is an idol.
One that fucks her producer, but still an idol

>>17615440
You can smell the sperm and feel the moisture in Anon's room with this one.
Why cant you just enjoy the content of your favourite chuuba? Nobody cares if they are actual idols at this point.

>>17659080
Don't ALL idols fuck their producer? I want to listen to her music, not have a romantic relationship with her, I have my girlfriend for that.
If you want a significant other, go get one, don't look for it in virtual youtubers and/or idols.

>>17659386
>Don't ALL idols fuck their producer?
A male nip artist is literally a female

>>17614480
>doesnt know about ame astel
and hasnt korone collabed with males like a long ass time ago

>>17659943
Her rm videos are available, be more specific

no i am not going to spoonfeed you fucking newfag

>>17659999
it's not. You're not saying the rm or her channel, say the name of the specific video.
Admit you're lying otherwise, those are the two options to retain your masculinity.

>>17614934
>>17641459
>>17659943
None is a collab

>>17614480
They mean exactly what they say. They’re idols, not some weird evangelical nutjobs who are forbidden from interacting with the opposite sex.
>>17617994
This too.

>>17614480
fuck idols

>>17616377
>>17619340
EP. Fuck, I only noticed it now.

>>17664621
Fuck vwhores

>>17614551

>>17614551
watch the hag do it

>>17614480
Kanata and Lamy were both on that show with Siro and the bald guy so they need to be moved to "formally". Nene too, she and A-chan did a sponsorship stream with some guy and talked about business... I found the preview before the stream but not the stream itself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS2SlI2C_c4

>>17659294
retrarded holocucks do. My point is precisely that they aren't idols, but that they aren't whores, and that being an idol is more than just
>no male collabs because i'm an insecure fucking unicorn intimidated by anyone with a cock and balls

>>17664621
Gladly

>>17614480
bump

>>17675325
tnx for the bump