/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>17591175
Omegatroon is a massive faggot. Film at 11

now just wait till moona invites mumei to 1v1 autism battle

Inb4 people start freaking about a T90 collab.

>>17591281
Moona vs Mumei LEL video, please.

>>17591281
That sounds awful but I do would love a Forest Nothing with viewers. Even better with holo members.

Omega is a fucking joke. Moona and HoloID's management saved their asses during the fiasco about Unarchived Karaoke permissions too.

>>17591175
ID has no effective management, this makes permissions easier but also leads to situations like Ollie's general whorishness.

>>17591342
>ID management

Fuck Gita

>>17591360
So what should be the ideal management policy be so we don't get Kekmon/Meinkampf stream #782 or Mori/Ollie e-celeb whoring?

>>17591175
Oh now cuckbeat targeting mumei ?

Good job cuckbeat

>>17591329
Kek

>>17591281
>>17591329
Oh god I can see it now. t90 casting low elo vtubers match

Gita is more based than Omegatranny, imagine that

>>17591418
spotted the indog. I don't even watch Mori retard just wondering how the fuck Moona can play AoE while Moomers can't even do a fucking potato history lesson

>>17591466
Cause omega is retarded

>>17591440
Gita literally does nothing but masturbate to Oga.

M-chan (Gita) > Omegatranny

Please don't use "Gita" don't bring IRL stuff here

>>17591329
which civ will moom and moon choose?

>>17591175
i dont get it
is AoE some sorta big deal

>>17591466
Nice deflection thread cuckbeat

>>17591543
Ok risu

>>17591543
Both are stupidly incompetent.

>>17591575
Ideally, Malay vs Teutons
Likely, Franks vs Britons

>>17591175
Moona vs Mumei AOE 1 on 1 match will be interesting, unfortunately Moona is too shy to invite EN solo collab

>>17591543
Sorry Gita
I'll behave , I love you

>>17591583
Hololive (EN) is sensitive about anything mildly related to history.

>>17591673
Why ?

>YWN have a comfy Moom stream about Olga of Kiev.

>>17591281
T90 is kinda a vtuber only needs and avatar he already tells his life etc in zatsudan dark age.

>>17591175
Mooner and Moomer should collab

>>17591583
just a childhood game, better than other mainstream games nowadays

>>17591764
Still alive... and thriving

>>17591673
It's the same reason why they're not giving MGR: Revengeance because
>M-muh politics

>>17591656
Mumei, barge in for a surprise collab so you can get around Manechan

mum

>>17591828
mun

>>17591583
AoE is a long time beloved game with no controversy. It's also an autists dream game on both sides, for the super tryhards who have an APM of 1000 or city sim casual autists who just like the pretty buildings and make gates and walls.

>>17591721
political correct, SJW and other western stupid culture

>>17591329
I need this.

>>17591440
Still better than whatever the fuck omegatranny is doing.

>>17591880
Thanks kind Anon

>Botan, Amelia, Pekora, Risu, Moona, Fubuki, Nene, and Mumei
>Diplo-Regicide
>Exploding kings

>>17591342
>HoloID's management
Are you really going to omit the fact that Reine's family kidnapped two of the managers and tore their fingernails off?

>>17592003
What? I thought they were boiled alive?

>>17591543
Even if it's true, you can't just insult your coworker like that, gita.

>>17591175
I will rate this stream 53/53 for Moona, lord Alfred must be proud

>>17592003
I thought they were skinned and sold to the chinese?

>>17591721
because china

>>17591990
Do you want the match to end in 5 minutes?

>>17591175
It's ok. Mumers got in the needy streamer overdose stream.

>>17592086
But Reine's grandpa participate on annihilating thousands Chinese decades ago

>>17591175
When Mumei tried slipping history discussion into the meme review, she called an Egyptian deity a fucky-looking faggot. She also ignored the potential implications of singing a Pocahontas song in a cowboy-themed karaoke, while doing an accent that made it sound like she said nigger in the first line. As much as I’d like history streams, she’d probably find a way to make it yab no matter how innocuous the subject matter. Also, Moona has seniority over the entirety of HoloEN, which counts for something in a Japanese company.
>>17591791
Metal Gear also has to deal with Konami’s bullshit, so that’s not entirely a political thing.

>>17592394
Mumei said faggot on stream? Based

>>17592394
Based moom

>>17591175
Mumei is allowed to talk about history, the problem isn't management, it's mumei.
Kiara talks about history all the time and even went on a 20 minute tangent about the Kings and Queens of England.

>>17592520
Kiara talks about the Tudor family like she talks about soap operas, fashion, and tabloid nonsense, it’s the most inoffensive way of approaching the topic. Mumei gets blocked because they’re afraid of where she’ll go with it.

>>17592394
Sounds based, probably didn't happen.

>>17591360
>this makes permissions easier but also leads to situations like Ollie's general whorishness.
>implying EN "talents" aren't massive whores on a level unthinkable to ID

>>17592602
You're literally making shit up to cope with the fact that Mumei just isn't actually that interested in history, or at least in doing a history related stream.
In that same tangent Kiara laughed at French military loses.
If others are allowed to do it then so is Mumei.

>>17592655
>>implying EN "talents" aren't massive whores on a level unthinkable to ID
>recalls last holoID/EN x homo collab
y-yeah...

Oh God, the ARS chads incoming

>>17593164
She quite literally said she was blocked by management on doing history streams and having ideas she already had prepared shut down. She even mentioned history streams on her debut. On many streams she drops subtle history related jokes and most notably in one of the council collabs (the 5th grader quiz one) she made references to the potato history one that never came to be. I might be missing more or misremembering some but where is this "no actually she doesn't really care about doing it" come from? Her only mistake is not being more assertive and "fuck management" like Ame or Kiara are right now.

All these nerds projecting their history obsessions onto Mumei as if she's a documentary-watching tank-kit-collecting wargame-playing geek like you. Old RTS and 4X games only have a niche audience, Meimei has more stimulating things to play like blockgame and pokemon. Do you really think someone like her has the time to grind the hours necessary to become competent at strategy games? No, and that's okay.

>>17591588
Nice self awareness you got there lol

>>17593164
The type of person who seriously suggests potato history as a topic is more of a history buff than your usual grossgermanium chinlet map painting autist or or your usual court gossip fanatic.
>>17593594
Presumably it’s just an anti calling her phony.

>>17593594
>She quite literally said she was blocked by management on doing history streams
Really? Timestamp?

>>17591175
Civilization features a diverse cast of different historical figures, religions, famous monuments and locations, world renown scholars, philosophers, scientists, etc., so they can't play it because china might get angry again.

>>17591175
I will now watch your chuuba

>>17591360
>Ollie's general whorishness.
>NNNNNNOOOOOO MUH LETSPLAYERS CANNOT MAKE CRUDE JOKES AND JOKINGLY HIT ON ANIME BOYS AND GIRLS THIS IS AN OUTRAAAAAAGGGEEE

>>17591175
>can't do a civ stream
>picrel is aoe
I didn't know aoe is civ now.

>>17594222
https://youtu.be/_WCG3s4bXPo
Around the 2:05:20 minute mark, she talks about it for about 5 minutes

>>17591543
So what do we call her?
Bencong? or kirik-chan?

>>17591281
That would be the first ever good male collab

>>17591360
Your first and second sentences are contradicting themselves anon, if they are not effective they wouldn't be able to get permissions. The correct word is that they are lax and they maybe let the girls to commit mistakes

>>17591175
She cant make those streams because she doesnt follow history or plays rts
Where the fuck did this imaginary myth come from that mumei will ever do those? Some retards head?

>>17591721
>"NOOOO YOU CAN'T PLAY HOI4 CONTROLLING NAZI GERMANY NOOOOOOOOOO"

>>17596029
even a threadreader would look less retarded than you

>>17596082
So the source is your head (as retarded and empty as mumeis)
Got it.

>>17591175
>she is having fun
ok moonafags i WILL subscribe to your oshi

>>17591195
Fpbp

I love Kaneko Lumi, Morino Peari, Reina Sun, and Reiny! I want to get them all pregnant!

>>17596197
She will do another aoe stream for multiplayer mode anon

If you interested you can join and destroy her

>>17596117
That's some shit bait my dude. Have a courtesy (You)

>>17591880
>meanwhile Gura singing crusader songs
Whom the fuck are you trying to fool here zhang?

>>17596282
Wait did Reiny play AOE too?

>>17593164
>In that same tangent Kiara laughed at French military loses.
Wtf I love Kiara now

Didn't hololive leave the chinese market? Why do they care about their feelings?

>>17591175
AoE is pretty inoffensive and is only really historical in the sense of the gameplay itself honestly.

>>17596611
they don't want to give them any reason to come back

>>17591673
>can't do a stream covering basic history that an 11 year old would learn in 5th grade world history class
>can play needy slut simulator to "own the antis" or some shit
What the fuck is wrong with Omegafaggot?

>>17591281
>>17591329
>>17591439
>>17591748
>>17595654
fuck that sellout

>>17596442
>Gura singing crusader songs
she did? Based. Clip or timestamp?

>>17591342
qrd

>>17598167
https://youtu.be/w-4lFe-gnjc?t=1568

>>17591748
I mean Forest Nothing (and most X Nothing) are that for 95% of the game. Although an avatar would take up precious space on screen.

>>17597766
Look he's probably going back to Twitch after his contract runs out.

>>17598167
It was just faggots being unable to tell the difference between the Swiss Guard fighting Germans and Templars fighting Saracens but she sang last stand by Sabaton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soRgZoF5Z_g

Moona you're stepping into my world, tread lightly.

>>17598488
>Lumi has an AOE4 collab with multiple girls scheduled to start soon™
I can't wait for it even if it's an inferior AOE.

>>17591175
This is why HoloID is superior. It's HoloEN with professionalism, a based manager, very few yabs and without the simp bait. It's HoloEN done correctly.

>>17598717
>Meanwhile where I live people still hold AoE 1 tournament

>>17598913
AOE1 needs more love, it has the best setting, and is only drawn back by the pathfinding.

>>17595524
that’s beyond stupid. why is the management like this? there are plenty of interesting history tidbits that won’t generate any controversy. chinese will get butthurt at literally anything but it’s not like they’re a target market at this point.

>>17591880
history is the world's touchiest subject. can u imagine mumei airheadedly discussing the chinese civil war i'd fucking crack up

>>17599103
chinese civil war? you’re like a baby, watch ch this
>sends a SC asking about the nanjing massacre

>>17591880
It's 100% about the chinese, despite being the common boogieman i've never ever seen a SJW wanting to cancel AOE or CIV.

>>17599207
>Inb4 Moomer said it's based

>>17591281
T90 only has eyes for AoE so there's zero risk of cucking, unironically would shill out for a hololive AoE tourny casted by T90

Civilization is over, embrace Moon worship.

>>17599250
funny because chinese are actually incredibly competitive and one of the best civs as they have an answer to pretty much everything, a strong dark age start, and a great eco bonus in continually cheaper techs

>>17599284
He actually has a gf, as he mentions every 10 seconds.

>>17599389
inb4 a chinaman complaining that it’s not powerful enough
all history games should exclude china and the balkan area as a rule of thumb

>>17591175
I've never played Civ before, but is AoE as /his/ as Civ, though? I remember playing first AoE in Junior High (and on / off for several years afterwards), and it didn't leave me any particular /his/ or /pol/ impression. More like SC with humans, basically that.
Maybe I was too young and didn't pay any attention to the implication, or maybe later AoE put more emphasis on those? Because otherwise, I can totally see how AoE is fine, but Civ isn't for Holo

>Do Age of Empire stream.
>Barely anyone watches it.
This is why I hate /vt/ You claim you want to see new games instead of the regular, popular or FOTM games but you really don't. The regular, popular or FOTM games are what gets the views and you complain about the views of other streams that aren't those above because they actually try to play something new.

>>17598913
Hello Vietnam.

>tfw you chucklefucks managed to get the real name of the id manager
why are you like this

>>17600537
>>Barely anyone watches it.
She peaked at over 3k CCV, what are you smoking.

>>17591175
Potatoes are yabe anon. Whitey stole them from the Americas.

>>17600537
I mean there's only you, me, and my schizophrenia in this site

>>17597766
Mans gotta eat? Since he going fulltime with the jig it makes sense to make the most out of it. AOE community is pretty chill apart from Nili who always gives off the vibe of seething.

>>17592602
>>17593164
>>17592520
Lol the fuck would that retard know about history stop coping

>>17591175
Because any shady/wrong shit can be attributed to the game devs but moomers would need to take ownership of the facts she states on stream.

Holo EN management is terrified of anything historical

OMEGA HATE

>>17593594
You can break the yokes of management once you become more famous or more comfortable in your role. They're not gonna cut a million sub idol that makes 10k/stream in supas. They just need time to grow and become more comfortable.

>>17591175
Mumei is part of hololive EN, whose main audience is western, english speaking people. Do the fucking math.

>>17603588
If you see how fucking ridiculous Twitter is over anything mildly political, then yeah, I would be too. And I'm even more of a lefty.

If you say anything about the current history of the world, you'd almost certainly need to reference the cold War and world War 2, which involves communism, fascism, Japanese War crimes thst are kinda denied by the Japanese people, and the economic stuff covers socialist planned economies, stagflation and the birth of neoliberalism, and the consequences of that system.

That's an incredibly politically loaded landscape and the internet has no subtlety, nuance, or ability to engage with those ideas in a healthy way as it exists currently

Kiara literally talked about the rumours that Catherine the Great fucked a horse live on stream just today, if you can talk about THAT on stream, I cannot possible comprehend what Mumei wants to talk about that she's "not allowed" to.

>>17603588
Source: my rotting necrosis infested ass

>>17609095
Ollie would be a pretty good source, actually.

>>17603588
Gura played Mordhau literally yesterday

>>17600706
he was already making 7 figures

>>17599250
>It's 100% about the chinese
Aoe is not chink game,its safe to play it.
Having Chink civ in game is not a problem,even Nene and Chole have read new year SC on stream.

Why are chinks projecting their fear of tiananmen square massacre onto others?

>>17591195
/thread
ID has always had the second best management after Holostars. This isn't news.
>>17591360
Actual retard.

>>17608725
>Kiara literally talked about the rumours that Catherine the Great fucked a horse live on stream just today, if you can talk about THAT on stream, I cannot possible comprehend what Mumei wants to talk about that she's "not allowed" to.
Kiara is unfirable and doesn't ask.

>>17609256
The chinese government generally doesn't approve of historical games because they don't want people thinking back to a time before the CCP, it clashes with their narrative that china is a single, continuous civilization having existed for millennia. That said, I don't understand why Cover even gives a fuck, that bridge has been burned, the CN branch is long gone and the chinese are actively purging pastimes like this from public access.

>>17608725
Because it's a tangent and regardless of whatever else you believe about cover, they are not at the point at which they require a holo to submit a list of conversation topics they are planning to talk about this stream and vet them. It's an entirely different story to mumei wanting to do a history stream explicitly about history

>>17591175
>pic rel

>>17609614
Note how only chinks are saying that its management "blocking" these games

>>17610390
It might be management, but only because hordes of zhangs realized they can farm easy social credit score by parroting CCP propaganda online.

>>17610473
Gura played Mordhau yesterday
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRWGlvQrJW4
A game wheere you play as real historical warriors

>>17610647
Mordhau is purely a combat game with very little emphasis on historical aspects. While strategy games tend to focus heavily on history. They're not the same.

>>17610776
In what universe is the shit you are posting making sense? Mordhau where they used REAL HISTORICALLY ACCURATE REFERENCES FROM REAL HISTORIANS to re-enact real events from history while they are chanting real warcries that were used in real wars is less history focused than a old guy yelling WOLOLO
Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit

>>17611460
Does it have a segment of gameplay where you play as the mongolians ass fucking china's backdoor? No? AoE2 sure fucking does.

>>17611526
What does that have to do with hololive? The ones that fucked off from the chinese market and have 0 chinese investors? Are you a retarded tourist confusing Nijisanji who is majorly owned by the chinese with hololive? I fucking hope not

>>17611643
Looks like you forget that Fubuki (and anyone who collabs with her) gets attacked by Zhang Spambots relentlessly?

>>17597000
Needy Streamer is basically making fun of themselves, so it's OK
Playing history-based warfare games would invite making fun of actual events and other countries, so that's kinda dickish. Do you see the difference?

>>17611526
>>17611643
I'd would say it's just the manager of EN being a pussy and indecisive (omega?), but hopefully Mumei can pick up similar games soon.

Botan has played all the recent CoD/BF games where the cast of protagonist you can choose from includes like every race but Chinese lol. She's also played BF4 where you exclusively mow down Chinese commie soldiers the entire game.

Is AOE any good? My only RTS was Red Alert 2.

Not my oshi but good luck to Moona.

>>17591175
you answered your own question, just a bunch of retards pushing their expectations on her because of her theme

>>17613241
Aoe2 is still heavily played to this day because it is really good.

>>17600537
It currently has more views than a few of her minecraft streams, so I think it did pretty well.

>>17613350
Maybe I'll give it a shot then. Thanks anon.

>>17610390
Is Mumei a chink? Because it was her that said management was blocking her from doing history stuff.

>>17613480
Make sure you get the definitive edition

>>17613530
kiara just said that mumei is "not allowed" to do history streams

>>17613530
>represents civilization
>can't do history

>>17613290
To make it simple
Blame the management that give council such a chunni lorejust like back then when people mocking Bae the embodiment of chaos good , but less chaotic than normal zombie

And now some random normal model (lore) can play civ-like game
Meanwhile the embodiment of civilization can't play and even talk about civilization/history

Council got debuff by their own lore that sounds like such a joke

>>17613579
Moom knows to much

>>17613744
>debuff
Final Yabtasy when?

>>17613579
timestamp?

>>17613579
Sadly, they can't allow it after she went on that 20-minute tangent about wooden doors in supposed gas chambers.

>>17591196
who is the most autistic among the council?

>>17613579
history=politics
simple as

>>17614717
Mumei, probably an actual autist

>>17608725
Think anon think.

Mumei > Moona

>>17596282
You won't be impregnating Reiny, dude. Because I will be.

>>17591281
Unexpected but good taste

>>17591175
there's less to lose compared to going something wrong in the EN branch. The whole ID branch can disappear and nothing of value would be lost

Kiara watchalong of the unbiased history of Rome when?

>>17613579
History is offensive to a huge subset of burgers now, sad

>>17598372
Based, but why do people pretend Gura can sing?

Wintersc casting ina vs kronii when

>>17624227
Gura can sing, she just can sing with a gutural man-like voice.

>>17591880
it's literally because they're all under active harassment by people (like you) who will flip out from random bullshit things. if you weren't so goddamn sensitive you fucking snowflake, everyone would be happier

>>17613290
Way to out yourself as not watching streams. Mumei said she asked to play Civ and do history streams and management told her no. This was during her first week, so things have probably changed in the past five months. She was receptive when she asked chat for game suggestions in December and someone mentioned AoE, so there’s a chance that permissions just came through and she’s saving it for the weekend. Wouldn’t be the first time someone in HoloEN requested game permissions only for someone else to play it first. She also tries to insert history stuff into streams from time to time.

>>17625345
>Wouldn’t be the first time someone in HoloEN requested game permissions only for someone else to play it first
Moona said she requested AoE herself.

>Mumei
Do I even need to say it. The critical information.

Mumei should print that thumbnail out and shove it up Omega's axe wound

>>17624377
Completely fucking wrong.
Every social revolutionary group, whether it be feminists or LGBT rights activists, spews a bunch of hateful vomit against the public or against "normalcy". When they reap what they've sown, they play the victim and cry harassment, all the while getting paid rich bankers and megacorps to keep spewing their vomit.

They spew all sorts of hatred for everything noble and good, all while proclaiming themselves to be 'fighting hate."

If these narcissists didn't have a voice, everyone would be happier.

GTFO, CIAnigger. Fuck you and fuck your gay psy-ops programs.

>>17625548
Fair enough.

>>17613579
>>17613744
History is facts. Americans hate facts.

>>17607713
Not EN, but ever heard of Coco?

>>17629823
She wasn't cut, she stepped down on her own because of all the management bullshit stopping her from doing things that she wanted.

>>17609440
>Actual retard.
Ironic...

>>17591195
I will need a ticket a monster energy and a larg popcorn for this soon to be #1 movie flick.

>>17608725
kiara is part of the original EN, she can even shit on omegatroon's precious lore without consequences.

>>17598328
Moona has been using Karafun since early H2 last year I think? While some English girls were still using karaoke instrumentals from presumably illegal sources that might get them to trouble. ID management probably suggest them to use that one to make them able do karaoke without so much legal issues.

Which holo would be the most likely to play Goth Barracks spam because that's the only strategy they can understand like me

>>17594619
She was masturbating on stream, anon

>>17635300
>Goth Barracks spam
This one is for Rome

>>17595557
Stfu indog

>>17591175
Hololive ID has little to no management.
Not even joking. They are the only branch of Hololive that can basically do almost whatever they want. This is why Ollie has gotten away with so much shit.

>>17614717
Mumei, no question.

>>17635300
for me, its frank paladin spam

>>17633946
...exactly

>>17591175
>plays the worst AoE game
lol. lmao even
Mumei is still pathetic tho

>>17600195
>and the balkan area
Are you scared, pretty boy?

>>17596282
>>17623747
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfecundation
You can cooperate instead

>>17613290
she did it to herself by accepting the job. by agreeing to play a character whose lore involves overseeing the rise and fall of civilizations, and chronicling the progress of humanity. if she or any of her fans are upset about people's expectations, they are retarded. imagine taking a job as a clown but when you show up at the circus, you get upset that people won't let you perform slam poetry and instead insist on you doing funny clown shit

>>17591880
I think it has more to do with offending China and stirring up the antis anon. They want to avoid anything that might rile up the hornets nest again.

>>17647629
AOE has a good following in china, and chinese usually hold the tournaments

>>17647728
Yeah but chinese antis hate Hololive and cover, and anything that even remotely might reference them in any way would be ample ammunition to get the bugs swarming again,

>>17591175
Isn't there a female vtuber that plays strategy games? I think she was the commentator for one of our divegrass matches and everyone in the chat simped for her hard after she giggled.

>>17593594
>>17599029
The fuck do they think is gonna happen, that she'll go full Dovahatty?

>>17645548
She at least said she wanted to do it, but management shot down all her ideas in the first week. She accepted the job with the assumption that she’d be allowed to actually play her character, except management didn’t want her to do that beyond the forgetfulness bullshit that she had to drop almost immediately because viewers started treating her like a mouthbreathing retard. It’s more like being hired to be a clown, only for the owner of the circus to immediately forbid you from doing clown stuff.

>>17647818
Lumi from Cyberlive

>>17648017
She once responded to a Japanese SC with “Herro” and said the chink level in Mario Kart looked like a bunch of people died to build it, among other things. It’s not out of the question, but management probably shouldn’t worry considering how she managed to get away with so much of the shit she’s already said on stream.

>>17648017
Calling Kiara a barbarian Germ?

>>17648545
>said the chink level in Mario Kart looked like a bunch of people died to build it
Now that's a good, subtle, live shitpost

>>17591175
Holofags will spin this as some kind of brilliant plan but the simple fact is Hololive management is completely incompetent.

>>17633946
>You can break the yokes of management
>all the management bullshit stopping her from doing things that she wanted
Which one is it?

>>17607951
because you can't possibly talk about the Bronze Age collapse without bringing out the nazis, am I right?
And what about the varangians in Bizantium? They were totally bought with jewish money to spread the communism in Constantinople, of course!

>>17591281
Moona vs TheViper, Arabia Hun mirror

>>17591543
did Risu leak M-chan's name? Haven't been around these parts in a while.

>>17591673
Have you considered that the EN whores don't have the attention span to play Real Time Strategy games?
Literally all of them are zoomers.

>>17593594
I wonder if Mumei has too many /based/ takes that might cause controversy to the average smooth brain "I believe everything my govt tells me" type of western faggot.

>>17591175
Mumei should just do the stream regardless and see what Omegafaggot does.

>>17654707
This. She needs to stop being so scared of omega

>>17654552
It's Coco

>>17591175
>Reimu playing AOEII and now Moona
based AOEII tubers

>>17597766
Twitch has been shit lately and he wasn't getting paid for months.

>>17635317
yeah, to me

>>17611876
so... nothing would change then?
Zhangs never bothered attacking Gura back when she dedicated "Judgement" for Coco, they're scared of the burgers.

>>17614080
Don't forget the plain pane glass windows in there too.

>>17591175
It's cool, owl is too retarded for strategy games. I can already picture her yelling "WHO IS ATTACKING ME" and never noticing the minimap.

>>17612999
But there's Shogun 2 and even Warhammer total war

>>17608725
Kiara is Kiara, she has connections unlike Mumers

>>17654552
Coco the one who did it
On her discord "Gita ID Manager"

>>17657335
Oh noooooo she forgor the map