/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>17385533
Ironic that Kronii is near the top when I hear nothing but how she doesn't like streaming and how lazy she is on here.

>>17385533
My queen
My life is your content

>>17385725
cant complain about the pay check though, just flash your avatar's tits to horny people and they'll take out the cash

>>17385533
Go watch NijiEN, boycott HoloEN, do something other than timeloop shitpost on 4chan

>>17385725
Because he cherrypicked a week in which everyone had unusually low streaming time.

>>17385533
Get a job.

The only thing lazy here is your bait. You act like these people don't have lives outside of streaming or aren't doing projects that will be released later and must stream so you feel like your life void is filled.

I got nothing against this today.

As a Nijibro i thought i was very kind of HoloEN to not overlap with the outfit debuts. Much respect.

>>17385901
cope

>>17385533
when you get ez money for not even trying, why bother?

>>17385901
kek, I wonder how many weeks he waited for the perfect moment

>>17386020
>You act like these people don't have lives outside of streaming or aren't doing projects that will be released later
But they barely release any projects. They are not doing anything irl either because there is nothing they talk about. Are they just constantly busy behind the scenes for like half a year now?

>>17386041
After they did so with debuts, about time.

>streaming long hours aint gonna make your oshi relevant anon

>>17386149
They probably only started looking at that when they were aware of this.

>>17386041
No problem Nijifriend, I think looks cute :)

>>17386041
Same, and some of the holos even left some positive comments about Pomu's cover and Finana's original song. I have a decent amount of respect for them now.

>>17385725
It’s showing time streamed rather than number of streams, and her streams are on the longer side. People call her lazy because they think her streams are too infrequent.

>>17386291 (me)
Kek, I wanted to say Elira
I should go to sleep, goodnight everyone!

S-selen...

>>17385533
Niji dragons and box coomer are too powerful...

>>17386346
She's pulling some Elira like streams lately. Long as fuck hours and lots of talking. Not that it's an issue.

>>17386291
>>17386041
Now kiss

>>17386236
Well damn, it's all my favorites on one list.

>>17385533
Counterpoint:Ame is cute and doesn't whore herself out to fujobait bongs

>>17386453
Damn, you're in luck then. More streams than you can watch

>>17386481
I really can't keep up with the amount of streams and long ass hours they put out. For the 1st time ever I started actually watching clips if they pop up.

>>17386236
>NijiJP, HoloJP/stars, and NijiEN favorites are in this image
Basado

>>17385533
How many fucking hours do you need them to stream? God damn, you schizos need more hobbies.

>>17385725
Same with Gura, all I heard for like 2 months was how she was a lazy cunt but she's second?

>>17386473
Admit it. Ame fell off.

>>17386697
People typically work at their job 40 hours a week

>more popular = less work
simple supply and demand

Ina and Sana basically having full-time jobs is probably part of that.

NijiEN's really spoiled me consistently posting their schedule every week, streaming 5 or 6 days a week, never having an unexplained week(s) long break

>>17386041
Same here. And honestly it proves that the girls in both Holo/Niji EN (I guess the boys too for Niji) are absolutely based Unitychads but have this Romeo and Juliet problem. Why 4chin just cant follow their oshis, with the amount of tribalfaggotry and shitflinging that goes on here, is beyond me.

>>17385533
>Why doesn't the king slave away like the peasants?

>>17385533
>Shark and clock are in the top 3 of stream time last week
Yeah something tells me this week isn't all that representive to overall streaming stime. Nice try.

>>17387039
Reminder that majority of people are for unity. Any thread outside of established general threads are bait.
Funny enough, this is a bait thread but there are more Unitychads than there are tribalist and baitfags

>>17386810
>Council streams less than Myth and is less popular than Myth
What did he mean by this

>>17386945
To be fair, Rosemi is also stuck in wagie hell, then Petra and Luca are both students.
But honestly, I just hope all our oshis get to relax and do whatever the hell they want so they can stream in their best condition

>>17385533
quality > quantity, nijinigger

>>17387316
Rosemi would have a hard time explaining it to her family why she went unemployed. Aside from her brother, her mom and dad aren't even aware of her VTubing career. based on how she has implemented it, her mom would probably be the one who would give her the hardest time if she quit.

>>17387473
>>17387742
I don't watch niji much so I didn't know this. I don't understand how they can balance school along with streaming, props to them. I think Mumei is also in college or something

>>17387738
Too many gaps due to low hours inputted gives more time for people to wander away from Holo EN.

Probably difference between hiring people because they had a lot of subs and hiring people who actually want to stream. It was also stupid to do a nepotism hire of one the most boring members of HoloEN.

>>17387785
Yeah, sometimes i feel bad for her. shes stuck between a rock and a hard place because she's unable to admit to her parents of her VTubing career. M-F shes pretty much a wagie office worker and streams right after. I just don't want her to burn out mentally.

>>17387039
When people posted a Kiara and Pomu picture in the NijiEN general everyone said it was cute, and when Bae responded to their outfits everyone was happy
I just want them to be able to fucking talk and play games together

>>17385533
>Selenium Ryutsuki
>Enner Earl Wet

>>17388024
>I just want them to be able to fucking talk and play games together
Some day... anon, some day...

>>17385533
Ok zhang. We have proof that zhang agitators are shilling NijiEN here to harm Hololive. You make it too obvious.

>>17387738
holokeks actually believe there is quality in their holowhores lmao

>>17388024
I cancelled my membership to Bae after I saw that. Gura and IRyS are the only ones I can trust to not respond to leeching whore Niji clowns.

>>17388024
fuck that shit. I hate holo fanbase.

>>17385533
Kind of glad this subject finally got touched on /vt/. I try my hardest to not compare HoloEN and NijiEN but my biggest issue is HoloEN isn't really doing anything... new since Irys debuted. Meanwhile NijiEN always has some fun new idea for a stream every week. I still watch both groups equally, but I can't deny NijiEN is the more fun group for me personally.

Doesn't Rosemi have a full time job? And she streams more than Gura?

HoloEN and Niji EN both have awful game taste. streaming hours don't count when its flavor of the month or pokemon or apex. not interested in either of them anymore. not to mention the superchat baiting

I don't think that hololiveEn is lazy thouugh. I think there's some kind of issue with their management that makes them not want to show up for work and stream. I think it's not a pleasant atmosphere. There's something going on here that we're not seeing.

>>17388474
NijiEN at least tries to stay away from meme games and if they do, it's just a once a week rotation. Even an Apex addict like Selen doesn't play the game on stream too often.

>>17388474

anon, you dont even watch nijiEN if you think all they play is apex or pokemon

>>17388510
This honestly. Not to mention lack of permissions is what keeps hitting HoloEN's motivation to go wild on the creativity, which somewhat kills their motivation.

>>17385533
Gura having the same hours as Kiara, you don't see that often

>>17388474
>Minecraft
>Faith I and II
>Hand Simulator
>Captain Toad Treasure Tracker
>Portal 2
>Final Doom: Plutonia
>The Forest
>Payday 2
>Akiba's Trip
That's just from ONE person through the past four~five weeks. Enough variety and there are enough livers to see something different.

>>17385533
Who cares? If I ain't gonna spend more than 6 hours a week watching vtubers anyway

>>17388474

last week hololive EN

>>17388474

and last week nijisanji EN

>>17390492
>>17390538
I counted 47 different games, probably like closer to 45 since I'm autistic

>>17385533
So what is this website that you get this data from? I want to start using it.

Because they don't care about their fans, clearly.

Now with the same metric, compare HoloJP to HoloEN in general and you will see that it's true

>>17386703
Gura is second because the chumbuds complained about it to her and not on 4chan like a bunch of retarded faggots.

>>17391525
If so, then good for the chumbuds, that they could use their modicum of sway over Gura for something positive.

>>17387140
It's actually even worse if you look at the up to date data. NijiEN everyone is over 10hrs. HoloEN 6/11 are below that.

>>17385533
Because if you acknowledge their laziness they're bitching 'bout it. So not the worth bringing it to the table.

NijiEN seems like it's their whole life for most of the NijiEN members. Even when they're done streaming for 6 or 7hrs you usually get tweets about them hanging out off stream and playing games together until 4am or you hear stories about how the whole group eats dinner together on discord. You get people showing up in other peoples stream on what is supposed to be their day off. They seem like a real actual friend group who love what they doing and enjoy doing it together, not just people that are pushed together by circumstances creating a facsimile of friendship for content.

>>17385533
the fuck even are those numbers retarded op, sana had 11 hours in a single stream I looked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcKCI9CvkgQ

>>17392580
check the date in OP and the date of that stream

>>17392580
See >>17385901

>>17392872
Updating the data makes it look worse. Instead of having 7 people above 10hrs HoloEN only has 5 while everyone in NijiEN did at least that much.

>>17393197
Now that hilarious

>>17385533
>HoloEN: Too busy with IRL, vtuber is not their main thing, and some members honestly don't even look like they give a fuck about the group, most of them never played games before or are that into otaku culture

>NijiEN: Most of them are full time streamers, and they're friends from their previous lifes. More than half are real gamers and otaku so the longer streams don't bother them, since for them this is fun.

>no yabs to shitpost about
>"guess ill trash HoloEN in the meanwhile"

>>17385533
Looks like HoloEN's not milking their streams as much, and desu it's better they're not burning themselves out trying to impress numberfags.

This is stupid. Sage.

>>17396318
>streaming normally
>milking
No, they are just lazy since they're in the top.

>>17385533
what's fun is how much they complain about how hard it is to stream while clocking in these hours. they literally work like a fraction of a normal work week while making tens of thousands of dollars every month. fuck these entitled bitches. i'm genuinely starting to hate this class of people. streamers, influencers and the like.

>>17396503
Why work hard when you don't have to?

>>17396318
>professional streamers
>less than 10hrs weekly
Seems more like HoloEN are already burned out and disinterested more than anything.

>>17396318
d-did you just put sage as name? go back please

>>17396690
Sure, sure. Whatever you say man.

>>17396791
Sage goes in all fields.

>>17385533
>>17385901
wait. this is just this week? KEK

>>17396863
That's last week retard

>>17396838
Even the NijiEN numbers are low if you compare them to many of the top IRL streamers that have done this as their job for far longer. The HoloEN numbers are just pathetically low not the norm.

>>17396690
the shion ayame strat of only streaming to refill your bank account

>>17396947
Low by who's metric?

>>17387812
>Too many gaps due to low hours inputted gives more time for people to wander away from Holo EN.
English is the most spoken language in the world, HoloEN staff should've been more focused on reducing dead hours, there's only two ways to do that:

1. Hire passionate content creators that like streaming.
2. hiring a lot of talent

One English gen a year is not enough.

>>17397021
Low by comparison to the rest of the industry they are part of.

>>17397032
It is if you like not running your business into the ground & oversaturating your talent pool

>>17393197
What website is this?

>>17397113
Like in comparison to the high end twitch normal streamers?

>>17397113
You mean the Industry they're the leaders in?

>>17397149
Numberfags are diseased. They only want more and more hours to soothe their autism, they don't care about the actual logistics behind it.

>>17397254
It's just HoloEN that is like this by the way HoloJP out of 25 members only two were below 10hrs last week.

>>17397254
yes. obviously the only numbers that matter are the ones where nijEN wins, like hours streamed. who the fuck cares about SC, VOD views or CCV?

>>17397175
Im just replying to this to Sage again
>>17397279
Rather have quality over quantity personally. Numberfags are spergs who don't even watch Vtubers, and should be ridiculed at every opportunity.

>>17397149
Introducing five more people six months later isn't oversaturating your talent pool. You've given considerable time (half a year) for just five people to establish themselves. Another five people can easily fill up other hours that aren't currently being streamed, allow vtubers to be more flexible with their schedule since they don't feel as obligated to stream as frequently since there are less hands on deck, and more options for the audience to find a personality they like more.

>>17396674
>only streaming out of necessity.....

>>17397520
Sage isn't a downvote.

>>17397520
>hololive
>quality
It's all low effort and phoned in not quality. You go look at what HoloEN play and its just all old nintendo games nobody gives a fuck about, minecraft, ark, the pokemon game everyone has seen a million times etc. Then you go look at NijiEN and you have people playing RTS games, JRPGs, Puzzle games, VNs, Soulsbourne games, Retro games, Indie games, Roguelikes, FPS other than Apex etc. Actually putting effort into finding new and interesting content for their audiences.

>>17397335
Japs have a shit work culture, what's your point?
>>17397437
Precisely.
>>17397608
>only streaming when you want to

>>17397743
Most places consider 35-40hrs to be a full time work week you know. Most of these aren't even at a quarter of that.

>>17397725
>BUT THEY PLAY MORE GAMES
and are not as good as entertainers. simple as

>>17397638
Correct.
>>17397725
>caring about the games being played and not the talent playing them
>>17397824
Again, why work those hours when you don't have to?

>>17397824
>Most places consider 35-40hrs to be a full time work week you know
and?

>>17397846
Bingo

>>17397937
The excuse Japan has a shit work culture doesn't really fly when half these girls do less work than a student on their part time job on the weekends.

>>17397846
The final cope I guess.

>>17398030
And?
>>17398100
Were it so easy

>>17397149
That has been proven untrue by the many vtuber agencies that has introduced a new gen in less than a year.

>>17398100
>It's all low effort and phoned in not quality.
the final cope indeed

>>17398195
How well are they doing compared to Hololive?

>>17398216
I mean if you think that playing the same 5 games over and over on repeat for 7hrs a week is high effort quality content then I guess that just goes to show how low the standards of Hololive fans really are.

>>17398289
>watching Streamers because of the games they're playing
>judging their content based on the games they're playing, and how much they play it in a week
If this is unironically (you), (you) may be an actual retard!

>>17385533
Quality > quantity, and HoloEN being the leaders of their industry proves it
Cope, seeth, dilate

>>17398449
So your standards really are that low that you think that is high effort and good quality content? Just showing up and lazily doing the same shit you always do.

>30 hours in a week
jesas, the black company is real

>>17398289
>only the game matters
it's almost like you're afraid to admit you think they are hard carried by the games they play instead of who's playing
>>17398517
>So your standards really are that low
sounds like projection, since it's you who think the game carries the stream and not the opposite

>>17398648
I didn't say anythng about the games carrying anything or being the only important things. Just that repeatedly doing the same shit over and over is not high quality nor does it take any effort.

>full of people that enjoy to stream a lot
i mean it helps that more than half of the streamers are brought in via nepotism, or if they weren't then they've bought into the culture already established by those that were brought in via neps.

NijiEN shouldn't be thought of english Nijisanji, but rather Nova, Doki, and their friends

>>17398776
>I didn't say anythng about the games carrying anything
see
>>17397725
>>17398289

>>17385533
>tsukomo sana
>2 hours of work in a week
gigachadette

>>17398838
Nowhere in either of those posts? Did you link the wrong ones?

>>17398921
>Nowhere in either of those posts?
>Then you go look at NijiEN and you have people playing RTS games, JRPGs, Puzzle games, VNs, Soulsbourne games, Retro games, Indie games, Roguelikes, FPS other than Apex etc. Actually putting effort into finding new and interesting content for their audiences.
>I mean if you think that playing the same 5 games over and over on repeat for 7hrs a week is high effort quality content then I guess that just goes to show how low the standards of Hololive fans really are.
sure

>>17398537
t. Basement dweller who is unaware that people are working 40h a week

>>17387473
Ina and Sana are not stuck in wagie hell by any metric lmao

>>17399081
Nowhere in there does it say only games are important. It does say that doing the same thing over and over while hardly showing up to your job is low effort and low quality though.

>>17398517
If i want to play a game, I'll play a game. I watch Vtubers because of their personality, not their choice of game.
Simple as.

>>17399203
>Nowhere in there does it say only games are important.
>Then you go look at NijiEN and you have people playing RTS games, JRPGs, Puzzle games, VNs, Soulsbourne games, Retro games, Indie games, Roguelikes, FPS other than Apex etc. Actually putting effort into finding new and interesting content for their audiences.

>>17399315
That's fine but playing the same shit over and over is low quality content from anyone. It shows a total lack of effort, creativity and thought went into it.

>>17397149
>oversaturating your talent pool
>>17397743
>only streaming when you want to

You know you're making the argument for both 'less talents, and less hours'. It's either, hire more talents to fill in he gaps or less but passionate talents willing to do more hours.

>>17399446
It doesn't matter if it makes sense as long as the way Holo does things is maintained as best.

>>17399431
>playing the same shit over and over
what are you talking about?

>>17399315
You like watching paint dry, we know mate

>>17399431

So Chii-chan is a low-effort no-thought Niji because she does 8 hour streams where she does nothing but flatten terrain in Minecraft all the fucking time?

>>17399315
i mean, you can have both.

>>17399626
Yes? Her content is low effort. The hours she puts in are not.

>>17399203
you don't have to say something explicitly to say something. You chose to focus on the variety of games over the personality of the streamer. If that's where your priorities lie then so be it, but don't be a coward & lie about it.
>>17399446
That's exactly what I want tho. A small pool of streamers who aren't forcing themselves to stream in order to meet a quota is far better than constantly throwing new streamers out there for short-term attention, or purposefully overexerting your talent pool for the sake of numberfags on an Indonesian cobbler's forum.

>>17399446
>or less but passionate talents willing to do more hours.
and you think the only form of passion is putting more hours?

>>17399670
The "quota" for Niji I believe is to put out content 2 days or 3 days a week. Any kind of content no length. The people stream this long because they are passionate about their jobs and enjoy what they are doing.

>>17399651
Sure, but I only care about one. Like I said, if I want to see a certain game, I'll play it myself. A good game cannot make a dull streamer more entertaining, but a good streamer can make a dull game shine.
>>17399520
Subjective.
>>17399804
Would they do it for free?

>>17399800
One thing we can say for sure is putting in the bare minimum effort to make a weekly appearance for a few hours certainly isn't a form of passion.

>>17399873
Considering most of their members were tiny indie vtubers before they joined NijiEN yeah they basically did it for free.

>>17399896
>bare minimum effort
I'm curious to know how you measure this

>>17399664

I love those streams. I don't feel like they're low-effort, even if you think it's "low effort" to not pick out new games all the time. It matters more to me what creators actually do or say during a stream. Chihiro planing down an area the size of Luxembourg is just the background for her real content.

Fight me about HoloEN too.

>>17400017
They can't go much lower without streaming at all can they?

>>17400109
I mean, if they are streaming less games to take more time to external projects I'd say there is still a lot of effort. also genuinely want to know how you measure effort

>>17400347
Sure you can put in effort elsewhere too. But do you not think lots of HoloJPs or NijiEN members that put in way more hours also have projects external to their regular gaming content too? They all have their covers, shill streams, original songs, voice packs, meetings, concerts etc that they work on too.

>>17399896
Neither is grinding yourself into dust for the sake of money and notoriety
>>17399967
You say that like nobody in Hololive was in the same spot when they started.
Would the Niji crowd stream if there were no monetary incentive to do so?
>>17400017
They measure it by hours streamed, apparently.
>>17400108
based
>>17400585
So more is better? Is that your official stance?

>>17400585
Can't argue with that

>>17400585
does any nijiEN have as much songs as mori for example? the songs are content produced to the viewers as well
>HoloJPs
why are you bringin holojp on this conversation now?

>>17400832
because they need the numbers

>>17399431
>playing the same shit is quality content
>shows lack of effort and creativity
>creativity
Get your meds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i_TLQsaAgU
My feesh worked very hard on her song so please give it a listen!

>>17398481
I hear more about NijiEN than HoloEN from my firehouse don’t actively follow Vtubers. If that’s not a sign that HoloEN is dying than I do t know what is

>>17386786
Behind the scenes work can really add up
Its like saying an sprinter only works 2 mins every competition

tfw
>Fish took too long baiting her outfit
>I gave up and went to bed without seeing the whole thing
>Won't watch the rest of the live stream or her original song out of spite
I'm kind of a bastard.

>>17407437
NijiEN is just a fad, Hololive created vtubers and they will always be an institution where the best of the best vtubers in the world work together to create the highest quality content.

Also a multi-wave AMOGUS in an hour, these last weeks have been amazing so far.

none of the girls like working for hololive

>>17395818
its something en holobronies cant exactly admit, Im personally sticking with niji jp, en, and holojp (incognito because I dont want my recommends fludded with clipperfaggot bullshit)

>>17385533
because you need to take your meds and come back to reality instead of believing every stupid thing /vt/ comes up with.

>>17411039
No one likes working
But hey, you gotta fund dem gunplas somehow

Why bother? 30 hours in a week, but still at less than 20% subs of someone at less than 10 hours. There's more to this game than stream time.

the gaming stream hours dont even get close to how lazy HoloEN is, NijiEN even turns endurance streams like jump king and drawing beedrills into group zatsudans to keep things entertaining for hours, not only do they like streaming but they also like hanging out with each other too, getting used to nijiEN makes you realize how devoid of life HoloEN really feels like on the long run.

I only watch Nijisanji but hours spent streaming doesn't make for a good vtuber. Chihiro has the highest stream hours every month but she just does 12 hour Apex streams every single day for example.
It's not really appropriate to criticize HoloEN for not doing 12 hour endurance streams if they're putting effort into those streams. I have no idea if that's true but Rosemi and Pomu certainly work hard even if their stream hours aren't the longest.

>>17385533
>2 and a half hours

being a Sanalite is nothing but pain, bros

>>17414302
She just did an 11 hour stream of Pokemon though...

>>17414505
haven't been watching Arceus gameplay.
I want to make it my first pokemon since Emerald so I don't want to spoil it

>>17386236
top 5 is all blessed

>>17414647
You wander around barren poorly textured land and throw pokeballs at literally everything.

>>17385533
Hope nijiEn gain more popularity because HoloEn really seem like they're resting on their laurels.

>>17415172
>resting on their laurels.
the laurels of their JP senpai, you mean

>>17385533
>Why is HoloEN full of people who don't stream and don't like streaming
because they are trash hardcarried by the JP branch whom they leeched everything. even with all their subs and streaming as little as possible to make their streams more especial they still get mogged by nijiEN

>>17416063
talking about gen 1, gen2 did not leech from JP. they just inherited EN1 scraps

>>17408898
>please tell me you’re not serious anon