/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>17388922
Because I have to learn drawing and 3D modeling + animation and C# and singing instead...

Because I'm going to live in Japan and learn through natural interaction. It worked well for Mori.

I don't care about the Japanese enough to learn their shitty language

>>17389042
lol

>>17388922
I'm learning it casually. I don't plan on taking a fluency test or anything.

>>17388922
Because I am retarded, and I am a huge loser. Learning Japanese would not change anything.

Because I like women better when I can't understand them.

The more I learn the less I like them

Because I already learned it years ago.
Every once in a while I do find a kanji I hadn't seen before, if you wanna count that as still learning.

I am learning. I want to live there in the future

Astel told me not to

I've been doing daily kanji reps for the past few months, and I'll get more into grammar when I have some down time later.

>>17389220
>EOP discovers JPs are whores too
kek

What make you think holoshit has so many 'fans' here? Because literally all those nigger want is uw cute anime waifu noise.
The content never matters.

>>17388922
i don't have time to learn kanji bullshit

>>17389440
So all these people literally just watch jp vtubers ramble for hours without having a clue what they're actually saying? surely you jest.

>>17389602
The less they know the more they can project their own feelings unto them. It's like watching their own mirrors of their own creation instead of the vtubers themselves, ideal conditions to attract schizos.

>>17388922
You're on your own.

>>17388922
I was learning it but then some good EN vTubers started showing up in Hololive and Nijisanji and they've met my needs just fine. I love them.

>>17388922
My oshi never once praised my Japanese, I lost my foreigner appeal after learning Japanese

>>17388922
But I am, what do you mean

>>17388922
I have peaked. I learned a ton of kanji with my aspergers memorization buff, but my listening comprehension is utter shit for the same reason. I even have trouble following colloquial phrases in my native language, never mind a new one...

I am. I do hours of reps every day.

They must learn English first before learning another language >>17390875

>>17389042
kek

>>17388922
Because no matter what, i will never be japanese...

>>17388922
無理だ。諦めるほうがよい。

>>17388922
tell me why i should

>>17389440
Okay Connor.

Why would I? I would like to go to Japan one day but other than that it would be pointless.

>>17388922
But I already did. The only useful thing I got in return for my obsession with this mentally harmful hobby

>>17388922
A dying, obnoxiously overcomplicated language. Why bother?

>>17391811
えええ、もう諦める?やっぱりおじさんザコじゃん。おじさんがロリまんこ好きって言ったのに。

>>17388922
too hard, aku sedang belajar indo

>>17388922
Because I'm white and male, and even white dudes who become fluent in Japanese get laughed at and called weeb LARPers

Japanese is a fucking pain, after the first year I decided to spend 6 months to drill jouyou+jinmei only to find out that half of Japanese women can't read 淑やか and 蘇る
I mean for fuck's sake, they can read 淑女 and 蘇生! Why does the upper repertoire lean toward Chinese?!

>>17389129
based and same

>>17388922
Spanish first. The Japanese and hopefully some other romantic.

>>17388922
Stopped at N2

>>17388922
Someone give me a resource that has grammar exercises
I dont like genki because its slow and the other ones don't have exercises and I need them to remember shit

kanji...
i'd rather learn armenian

>>17395747

If you want to practice Japanese then just impose yourself on a poor defenseless Japanese 2view from >>17091671.
They'll have no choice but to read your badly written Jap because their chat is so slow.
Just make sure you use an IME, Japanese people can't actually read romaji, it takes them so long to recognize that they're reading Japanese. そしてローマ字キツいよ

>>17388922
Because I have actual responsibilities, unlike you dirty fucking neets

I will never be Japanese.

>>17388922
how is this related to vtubers again?

>>17388922
the real question is, why JP vtubers refuse to learn English?

>>17397349
this only goes one way, anon. you WILL be japanese.

>>17397612
They can't, Japs are left mentally disabled after learning their own language

>>17388922
Im not really going there though.

>>17397612
They don't want to

>>17388922

>>17388922
Who’s your motivation for learning Japanese anon?

>>17388965
when do you debut?

I was studying until last year but now I have a job and still need to finish college so I got no time left.
Still N3, was supposed to take N2 last year but then I stopped studying.

>>17398351
When I learn all of those things

>>17399322
glhf anon

>>17398321
Aran.

>>17388922
Because I'm a lazy fucker who's procrastination problems border on a mental disorder.

>>17399457 (me)
*whose

>>17397612
EOPs are gullible enough to think they care about them if they do a Duolingo stream and they don’t need the Language

>>17398321
Being made fun of for thinking I could do it, not by you fags but by family. Communist translators intentionally changing or leaving things out. The ability to never talk to another English speaker again if I succeed.

I'll really start once I graduate uni
So never cause I am retarded

I've been on and off learning since school years, can read kana and a handful of kanji I know rather quickly. My oshi is Japanese and she's pretty easy to understand. I'm still juggling work, uni and being mentally fucked up a bit so no real active reps for now, but I can see that I got noticeably better from constantly listening to vtubers, looking up words they say and reading their tweets.

>>17399322
You'll never debut. Indie vtubing is about the journey, make a throwaway account and get started.

>>17388922
it's the worst language. it feels like every aspect of is was deliberately designed to be as form-over-function as possible.

>>17402735
I disagree. Licking people's boots is very functional in Japanese culture.

>>17389440
>>17389602
>>17389733

>>17388922
Because learning Japanese does nothing for me or my career path, and I don't have the free time to pursue that and my other hobbies. I'm more than happy to pay others to translate for me when the need arises; that's why the translation industry exists.

>>17388922
Not really that useful outside of weebshit

>>17388922
VTubers =/= Japanese or otaku culture

>>17403027
Sucks being a wageslave

>>17388922
kanji is pain

Any good reading material for beginners?
Just doing anki makes me suicidal

>>17404600
Yotsuba

>>17404600
this >>17404647 but don’t be afraid to read something else if it doesn’t interest you. reading the manga of an anime you already watched is also a good idea

>>17404647
>>17404720
Any good place to find high quality raws?

>>17404600
watch videos, TV shows or movies with subtitles instead. It'll help you in learning how to pronounce words and in the long run.

Because I just do my anki cards and then veg out instead of actually reading.

>>17404778
I grind kanji cards then I grind grammar while reading the grammar examples without looking at the TL

>>17404755
nyaa or https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/library/manga.html just click around and you'll eventually find the download links for raws.

>>17404867
Thank you

>>17389042
It's funny.
I've been here for a year only and I am already at N2 level, enjoying chuubas without clips or translators. I'm not even Chinese/Taiwanese who get to go on easy mode because of kanji and onyomi.
How after all her time here she hasn't been able to get to a decent level is baffling.
I blame it on the 'stronk murican dont need no language other than English anywhere in the world' mentality I suppose.

I feel too old (30) to casually pick up a language.

>>17405071

>>17405071
Do it old man. It'll help prevent alzheimers.

>>17405026
How much time did you dedicate to it and did you find a conversation partner?

>>17405325
COVID made finding people to talk to very difficult, but I made a friend I exchange English with and talk to in Japanese when we go out.
I study at school, but the only English I get to see is 4chan and online friends. Everything else I do in Japanese. I consume all my media-- light novels, eroge, news sites, anime, manga, games, chuubas in Japanese.

>>17405071
I will be 31 in 2 months. It's never too late.

I am gonna be the best olde country singer and none of you can stop me.

>>17388922
Because Japan will be annihilated by nuclear war in 2027

>>17388922
I did. Turns out most jap media is garbage and their vtubers are exactly as unhinged as ours. It's nice being able to understand the few streamers I can actually tolerate but damned if I'd say it was worth it.

>>17405628
Oh shit another /visitor/
[Spoiler]who's your plug?

Might as well learn mandarin instead
At least you'd get some money out of it

>>17405071
I started last year. I'll be 38 in a couple of months.

>>17405550
Are you a wizard?

>>17389286
The true master is an eternal student.

>>17397932
This. Ririsya still struggles despite her constant reps. It only exemplifies weirdos who actually manage to learn like Beatani or Lui.

If all these holos have the balls to learn English for their audience, then you have no excuse not to learn Japanese for them too.
>無理
>出来ない
kys

>>17409142
english just isn't a cute language

>>17409142
ちょっと恥ずかし書きます日本語ある。。。

>>17388965
>>17398351
>>17399322
This gave me an idea
I could make a Basedjak vtuber channel
I think I can act like a basedjak quite well I just need to work on the voice
then I can shill the channel on 4chan

>>17410103
>I think I can act like a basedjak quite well I just need to work on the voice
vocaroo right now

>>17396687
You should revisit English first.

>>17407769
And work with the Chinese? Fuck that, sounds like you haven't read the greentext.

>>17388922
My guide to start learning Japanese the fun and easy way

You can definitely start learning Japanese by watching JP streams. You can get a lot farther than you think with very little actual study. And it's fun!
Starting out is actually really easy. Just three easy steps!

1) Memorize the kana: hiragana and katakana in that order.
These are the basic Japanese alphabets. They're comprised of 46 symbols each, but they share the same 46 sounds which are very easy to learn because you can arrange them in a 10x5 grid + "n" (five spots are either obsolete or aren't used). Hiragana is used for Japanese words, while katakana is used for foreign words. The two alphabets basically looks like this:
A, I, U, E, O
Ka, Ki, Ku, Ke, Ko
Sa, Shi, Su, Se, So
Ta, Chi, Tsu, Te, To
Na, Ni, Nu, Ne, No
Ha, Hi, Fu, He, Ho
Ma, Mi, Mu, Me, Mo
Ya,Yu, Yo
Wa,Wo
Ra, Ri, Ru, Re, Ro
n

The vowel sounds are A - "ah" as in car, I - "ee" as in bee, U - "oo" as in too, E - "eh" as in met, and O - "oh" as in row.
The kana ん/ン (n) is only found at the end of words.
One of the nice things about Japanese is everything is read how it's written with exactly one kana per syllable. There are three exceptions which involve grammar particles:
は (ha) is pronounced "wa" when used as a particle, を (wo) is pronounced "o" when used as a particle, and へ (he) is pronounced "e" when used as a particle. It's easy to tell when to read them this way because they'll appear by themselves after a word or kanji.

You can use the respective Wikipedia page for each alphabet to study.
Here's a decent matching game you can play in your browser to learn hiragana and katakana:
https://ohelo.github.io/usagi-chan/hiragana/
https://ohelo.github.io/usagi-chan/katakana/
I also recommend writing them multiple times in a notebook (with the correct stroke order) while you're learning, but it's up to you.
Animations of the stroke orders can be found here:
https://yosida.com/en/hiragana.html
https://yosida.com/en/katakana.html

2) Learn the dakuten, handakuten, sokuon, and choonpu marks and the digraphs(yōon),
I know that sounds intimidating but this is even easier than the first step because you don't have to memorize any new symbols.
These things are basically just ways to modify some of the above 46 sounds.
The dakuten is basically just a little ゛ mark that's added to hiragana and katakana that start with K, S, T, or H to change their sound to a voiced consonant.
All it does is change the sound from K to G, S to Z, T to D, and H to B. The exception is shi to ji, chi to ji, and tsu to dzu.
For example, ka to ga: か -> が. That's it.
The handakuten is similar. It's a little ゜ mark that's added to hiragana and katakana that start with H to change the sound from H to P.
For example, ha to pa: は -> ぱ. That's it.
The sokuon mark is just a small tsu character (っ or ッ) that's silent and makes the next consonant sound doubled. This can be a bit difficult to write out so search for sukuon on google to hear how it's used. https://www.learn-japanese-adventure.com/what-are-sokuon-and-long-vowels.html
For example, かこ (kako, two syllables) becomes かっこ (kakko, three syllables).
The chōonpu mark is just a line (ー) that indicates you double the previous vowel sound. In hiragana, you just add another vowel to indicate the vowel sound is doubled, but with katakana, you use the chōonpu mark.
For example, "haa" in hiragana is はあ, but in katakana it's ハー.
The Yōon is also easy and intuitive. They're basically just a combination of ki, shi, chi, ni, hi, mi or ri with a small version of ya, yu, or yo. The purpose of this is to make the combined sound one syllable instead of two.
For example, りゆ (riyu) would normally be two syllables, but りゅ (ryu) is only one.
Finally, you can combine the dakuten or handakuten mark with yōon that start with ki, shi, chi, or hi to make the associated versions of that sound.
So for example, きゅ (kyu) becomes ぎゅ (gyu). Or ひゃ (hya) becomes ぴゃ (pya).
With this you will now be able to read any Japanese without kanji.

3) Install a Chrome or Firefox extension like rikaikun
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/rikaikun/jipdnfibhldikgcjhfnomkfpcebammhp?hl=en
This will let you hover over kanji and it will show a pop up with the reading in Hiragana and the definition in English. I use this to learn new words when they get spammed in chat by Japanese users. JPniki often repeat the streamer by typing what they say in chat. If you hover over chat often enough, you'll begin to learn a lot of new vocab in a short amount of time in a way that doesn't feel like studying.

And that's it!
Keep in mind, you won't really learn grammar this way, but Japanese grammar isn't that difficult and can be learned later.
You will begin to quickly and easily increase your vocab, which is arguably the hardest and most boring part of learning a new language.

>>17411396
Did you type all that stuff and think it was going to be helpful?
It takes 2 days to learn the kana, that's not the barrier to entry.
If someone actually wants to learn Jap: https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/learnmain.html

>>17388922
I am but I'm also retarded

>>17411479
This is for people who are learning while watching JP chuubas. The chrome extension or some equivalent is really important for improving your vocab once you've memorized the kana unless you want to use Anki and actually do your daily reps. But even then, it's still helpful.

>>17405071
You can do it, anon. I'm turning 30 here soon but I started at 29

>>17388922
I'm trying but I'm dumb as fuck and I don't know if I'll ever learn it

>>17405071
kson didn't get good at Japanese until her 30s

>>17411396
what's the equivalent for firefox?
yomichan?

>>17411979
I use 10ten.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10ten-ja-reader/

>>17411896
I never bothered to look up and understand the whole thing, what is she? jp born in the us and moved to japan later, something like that?

>>17411810
Unironically, just listening to podcasts and anime helps a lot. Podcasts moreso as it's more natural speaking.
https://youtu.be/vh6Hy6El86Q

>>17412054
She's from Georgia, likely military dad. Did schooling in the US and then moved to Japan. Also, she's like 22 or something.

>>17412054
It's not very clear to me I think she's American with Japanese parents and then moved to Japan later in life. Learned Japanese pretty much just to play Yakuza.

>>17397122
I guess this is the way. I am somewhat not horrible (N5) when it comes to reading/listening, but I can't speak/type for shit. Time to embarrass myself in front of some 2views.

>>17412062
that doesn't sound like what he's saying. he's saying language acquisition requires one to understand the message aka comprehensible input. if you don't understand the message, your brain is really not doing anything, it's just white noise, basically.

>>17405071
it'll take a bit more effort but it's certainly not impossible or even more difficult
just harder to remember shit in my experience

>>17412054
>>17412081
>>17412097
Her mom is American and her dad is Japanese.
She used to live in Georgia, but moved to Japan with her Mom, Dad, and sister. She moved out about a year and a half ago to live with Kanata. Her mom had to go back to Georgia recently to take care of Kson's grandparents because their cognitive abilities are deteriorating. She was most likely able to move and stay in Japan because of her father's citizenship.

>>17397932
this is the truth, katakana destroys their pronunciation forever

>>17405071
I am 30 - I started learning Japanese a couple of months ago and it's going well, friend. Up to you though.

>>17412979
Ah, okay. Whenever there's someone who is halfu, I assume American father and Japanese mother. Guess her mother speaks fluently?

>>17398321
I want to know what sayo's deal is.

>>17412165
Make a new youtube account for that. Shame doesn't matter as long as you destroy the evidence that it ever happened.

>>17413171
From what I understand, they can pronounce things correctly early on but if they do, they get mocked for putting on airs.

Name one GOOD VN that I can use to make an ankindeck

>>17417858
夏の燈火

>>17408866
Beatani is a huge westaboo. Hell, she likes Sonic Youth and ELO. Lui is a hafu iirc

>>17417858
神咒神威神楽

>>17388922
>implying it's possible

>>17388922
Because I am not Japanese and I choose to be based in not learning Japanese

>>17388922
I'm to busy learning Bahasa Indonesian for my oshi

>>17427610
Based

>>17427610
same

>>17388922
I have very little free time and I gotta finish my college studies, find a decent job, wageslave for a few years and maybe retire if I save enough money

>>17429030
>retire
>save money
lmao you actually think there's hope

>>17429608
There is no hope but you still need to look to the future.
>>17429030 keep up the good work anon

>>17429608
your skill is the best investment in these trying times as the Technocratic elite continues in driving everyone on the brink of insanity