/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>17338633
Sana must be on suicide watch holy shit

>Lui on same level with Sana
This means nothing.

>>17338672
>takes a month off due to her parents dog dying
Nobody to blame but herself.

>>17338633
>Council are unironically good streamers

>>17338633
Wow, HoloX hasn’t been active for even half the time Council has, yet most of them have more videos than Kronii and Sana do. Takane has double. Actually crazy.

>>17338633
>councilfags can't accept the fact that their chuubas are simply boring, uninteresting talentless whores, so they blame everything but not them.

>>17338633

>Council are unironically good streamers

lmao

>>17338633
>Good streamers

Yea... No.
Just Bae and that's a stretch

>>17338633
Nice bait here’s your You

the only one on council that puts forth any effort at all is the rat

>>17338633
Kroni's the best. That being said, she's a discount Mori with the personality of an almost empty Pepsi bottle.

>>17338709
imo council was complacent. remember when ame first came on the scene? she would legit do 3 streams a day and basically caught up to all the other holos in a couple months. it eventually led to burnout, obviously.
so maybe the council are seeing that as a sign to be chill with streaming.

holox, on the other hand, has a plethora of senpais to look up to and feel they have a duty as kouhai to not fuck up and basically overwork.

>>17338633
>Good streamers
They aren't even streamers lmao, I have literally never seen a vtuber group as lazy as Council

>>17338810
fauna puts a lot of effort in and it shows

>>17338633
>Is this Youtube fuckery?
No. HoloX are better streamers and are getting more attention and subscribers as a result. That's all there is to it.

>>17338633
Kronii and Mumei are the only good council members
But Kronii hates streaming and Mumei has a ***

>>17338672
Sana is unironically the only one I watch in this list. Can't stand the rest. I am the last Sanallite and I will save her.

>>17339021
Which is why this is the most shitty gen in Hololive history

>>17338900
fauna and rat put out a fair bit of content. fauna has done scripted lengthy videos that take time, one being an hour long. rat streams a fair bit. the other 3 though...

>>17338633
JP made a ruckus about their numbers cull and their shit got fix. EN stayed silent and now has to suffer for that decision

>>17338895
Idk but i see bae on past ame, very hardworking and has passion on streaming. I hope she doesnt burnt out like ame.

>>17338672
Sana's going to get passed up by Vox in a few weeks, if not sooner given he's at 248k

Council is unironically bad and hard to watch.. but actually that kind of applies to holo EN.. and also Niji EN.. take away their cutesy voice and there is nothing of substance to watch , no funny jokes, no meaningful convo, etc.

>>17339854
women and male weebs arent funny and will never be

The problem with council is their all just a little too “normal” . They still do weird autistic things but no En will ever match the autism storm that is Myth

>>17340107
kiara isnt really autistic but she has a lot of social energy and never shuts the fuck up

>>17338633
YouTube fucked them over big time but also Cover. You see, when they created the channel for council, they decided to leave it empty for 1 whole week before debut, meanwhile the subs keep coming in which makes the Susan Bots grown suspicious goes apeshit at councils channel and start to put them on the watchlist. Cover, seeing this mistake and how it happens, didn't won't to make same mistake twice especially when a new HoloJP debut is coming soon so instead of leaving the channel for 1 week, they decided to leave it 1 day for HoloX. True that there were some the damage done on HoloX as well, but it is less than the shit that Council have to go through.

>>17338633
>Lui
>144 videos in 2 months
>2nd best english speaking JP after Chamers
>2nd to last in subs in all of holo
My hard working hawk deserves more recognition

>>17338633
they're boring. they don't even qualify as "more of the same"

>>17340145
True she’s just menhera and doesn’t take well to social cues as an esl

>>17338633
>Council are unironically good streamers with universally cute designs

>>17338633
Maybe it's because hololive is bigger with the japs, idk, just maybe.
Shitty bait, still made me reply.

>>17340458
>Myth has the top 2 subbed and is also the only gen with everyone above 1M
What is this cope?

I haven't seen someone tank their growth this hard since Anya.

>>17340306
Luilui always seems very happy for what she has anon. She'll keep growing.

>>17338633
This board pretends that only HoloX is doing amazing and Council atrocious when in reality both have been screwed by YouTube with HoloX doing just a bit better in the end.

>>17340107
only gura is bearable on myth but still overrated af , others are good. Most of council mogs them on overall talent.

>>17340541
This, she doesn't strike me as the competitive type, she just wanna have a good time.

>>17340529
>I haven't seen someone tank their growth this hard since Anya.
Almost everyone just gave up on Sana after the month break; she didn't earn enough goodwill at the time to pull a move like that. I also haven't seen anything from her streams to indicate that she can dig herself out of the hole she made for herself.

>>17340306
She got into JP while not being a Japanese, that's already good recognition

>>17340506
dead subs

>>17340727
If Council has talent... Them the bar must be incredibly low

>>17339021
Mumei has a car

>>17339021
What's wrong with Fauna?

>>17341890
This guy

>>17338672
Her numbers aren't going to go up if she keeps not streaming.

>>17341996
Literally did an 11 and a half hour stream yesterday

>>17341890
Same reason as Mumei but worse since she does asmr

>>17338633
>most popular HoloX has the least videos
>least popular HoloX has more than even Irys already
This seems unfair

>>17342168
>pokemon
I genuinely feel bad for sanalites, this is basically a pokemon let's play channel

>>17338709
# of videos aren’t showing the full picture. Sana videos often range from 3 to 9 hours long, with some going even longer. La+ videos are often around an hour, with many under 30 minutes or even 1 minute.

Council doesn't stream much.
They are fun...when they actually work.

>>17338672
She probably gave up on numbers from the start. She was literally dead last with less than half of Kronii's subs PRE-DEBUT, simply because normalfags hate brown girls.

>>17339084
>last Sanallite
Not even close

>>17342646
To be fair the difference in the quality of their models is brutal.

>>17338633
Hololive has already peaked in terms of being a FOTM trend so there's not enough casuals anymore to fluff up the subcounts with dead subs.

The viewership itself is fine if you ignore Youtube blatantly rigging shit against vtubers.
Kronii is one of the most watched HoloEN's despite all the self-nerfs, and Mumei has the "literally have to do nothing and people will still circlejerk over me because they've conditioned themselves into thinking i'm best girl before debut based on nothing but forced memes and sheep hivemindfaggotry" buff. The others, minus Sana, are hovering around the Ame-Kiara level in terms of viewership.

>>17342743
No it isn't.

>>17342306
She does nothing but go on breaks and marathon the least engaging franchise in existence. Her commitment to low effort is actually impressive.

>>17340506
>gura
Quantity =/= Quality
>mori
Dead and cucks. Also she admitted by omission that she's talentless, only has fans because hololive brand, and she lied on her resume.

>>17341780
We talling vtuber. The bar IS really low.

>>17342646
>simply because normalfags hate brown girls.
Her model looks like it came straight out of a shitty late 90's anime; that hurt her more than the skin color.

>>17342548
Sana's approach is the wrong one. Instead of making a milliom hour videos, she should do 2 or 3 streams of 2 hours tops.
She's wasting her energy on a way that won't benefit her growth.

>>17343115
Curious how Flarefags use the same cope. "Coincidentally" it only ever affects brown girls, how curious.

>>17342646
>simply because normalfags hate brown girls.
Doesn't matter what kind of fag you are, the simple fact of the matter is that a dark skin colour is much, much less desired than what the leftist media would like you to believe.
That goes for both men and women.
And for those who like it but aren't dark themselves, it's just a niche fetish.
Regardless, dark skin tone or not, Sana's design is just shit to begin with.

>>17342183
eh, she's ok, but never ever be anything other than a shitposter in her chat. Don't bring up you know who obviously, but getting your kicks by riffing off her rp is also fun. Same with moomers. Just don't take them seriously and try to feel a connection like you would with Gura or Ame or almost every HoloJP. and never, ever superchat or buy merch of theirs unless you genuinely want it for its own sake or are doing that to shitpost too.

>>17341712
wat? She's not Japanese? what is she then?

>>17338633
I honestly don't even know by which metric Council could be considered unironically good. They're getting the numbers their output deserves. If anything, they're getting better than they deserve by affiliation with a big brand.

They're just not very interesting. No member has shown any of the charm/appeal of Myth.

>>17338633
Lui...

>>17343232
Maybe when a dark holo gets an actually good design like Jahy we'll be able to see if it's a debuff, Flare's and Sana's designs were trash and this isn't arguable

>>17343159
Also 9 hour long streams will kill vod views. Like, who the fuck is going to watch a long ass video when you can just watch a 3 hours vod instead.

>>17339084
Hipster mentality.

>>17338633
Youtube hides most of their subs.

>>17343793
There's nothing wrong with 9-12 hour streams, you just gotta break it up into different games/segments.
Stream a game for 2-3 hours and then switch if you still wanna stream.
Makes it infinitely more digestible.

>>17343555
Sana could have overcame things if she had a more entertaining personality and didn't treat Hololive like a part-time job for fun.

>>17339021
>But Kronii hates streaming
Is this just a meme at this point? Kronii does 4 hour long streams 4 to 5 times a week since early November.

>A Kiara Hour
>A lot of Council bait threads

nahone

>>17343958
I think Kronii underestimated the amount of attention she'd have to give towards chat while playing games.

>>17338633
youtube subs and ccv are all kinds of fucked.

Imagine applying to holo just to waste a slot. What a madlad.

>>17343958
Yeah, it's mainly just weak justifications to shit on Kronii. I don't even think it's done out of spite, people are bored and the world sucks right now so shitting on others just fills the void. I know, I've been there in the past.

>>17343359
>Ame
lol

>>17342834
Yeah, it absolutely is, Sana's looks like shit, the design is retarded.

>>17343958
It's funny, she takes one break and the reputation of hating streaming never leaves her. Most council hate comes from people that never got past their initial first impressions, and to be fair, council got off to a bad start.

>>17338908
Shh anon, it's better if they don't realize.

>>17344060
Susan for fuck's sake...

>>17344023
>Shit you telling me I have to INTERACT with PEOPLE during my livestream?
>Why didn't anybody warn me???

>>17344101
No, the reputation comes from the time where she straight up said she would rather not stream herself playing minecraft

>>17343958
>Constant 2-3 day breaks
>Never streams her pov of events
>Streams are always short
She is fun to watch it's a shame she hates it though
>>17344075
>Fact = shitting on others
Go back to twitter

>>17338633
At least Sana finally made it above Aloe.

>>17344175
Because she gets too into it/too distracted and wants to actually interact with chat. You guys always leave that part out to make it sound bad.

>>17342646
Her model looks like dog shit, if her model look anything like Nessa, Ramathel or Bullet her numbers would be better

>>17338633
>the rrat has more videos than IRyS, who debuted a month before
I KNEEL

>>17344252
If Sana looked like Nessa, people would be saying that her model is being wasted on her.

>>17344232
You're making it sound good, she said that she would find it bothersome to interact with chat since it was her relaxing time game

>>17344190
>>Fact = shitting on others
>Go back to twitter
What facts are we talking about here, and why did you even bring up Twitter? I responded to a fact directly contradicting your assertion, instead of pushing back with contrary evidence you created a false equivalency and decided I'm part of your Twatter boogeymen. Good shit.

>>17344335
It would still be a better model than the one she already has, plus making a point where the anon said people hate brown girls when that is false. Those three are popular characters

>>17344352
Even then, that sounds like she's prioritizing her viewers. What's the issue?

>>17344294
>Also 2nd chuuba that has most clips among them

I kneel

>>17344252
No model would save chuuba who doesn't stream.

>>17343421
Isn't she thai? Why else would she speak thai?

>>17343359
>Ame

>>17342646
If she was a little brown girl, things might be different.

>>17345210
Anon... People can learn languages...

>>17338633
already 5 months since they debuted
only one has over 100 videos in their channel
wow...

>>17338633
Vox will surpass Sana in week or two.

>>17345250
I don't care about exes.

If there's evidence she has a current one, hit me with it so I can cry in a corner....

>>17345461
No HoloJP speak another language than Japanese (I don't count Haachama's "English" as English)

>>17338633
Mumei barely streams and she's boring
Kronii barely streams and she only plays debuff games
Fauna barely streams and she's boring
Baelz yells too much and peaks her mic every 5 minutes
Sana barely streams and she plays too many debuff games.

>>17345596
Well then she's the first, her english is passable too

>>17345799
Yeah she's 100% not japanese

>koyori and lui have the lowest subgrowth but the highest number of videos

Hard work doesn't pay off. But in this case most of council is lazy as shit.

>>17338633
Most of them have a PST debuff.

>>17342646
>normalfags hate brown girls
Yeah, just look at how normalfags hated that Nagatoro girl.

>>17343953
Her personality is entertaining, she just doesn't stream and feels offended when people tell her that if she wants more views she should fucking stream. This mentality seems to be a very western one, like how kronii doesn't stream because it gives her imposter syndrome because she can pull 30k viewers on minecraft and feels like she shouldn't be mogging everyone else so hard. Mumei is comfortable where she is, I guess. Baelz is the one in the place where she gets middling views despite the amount of time she dedicates to streaming. I forgot the other girl.

>>17344335
>>17344487
If she had a model that attracted people with masturbation addictions, she'd have like 600k subs and people would say it was proof of the unfairness of the world since she streams like twice a week but gets high levels of views for her lack of work.

>>17345876
They did, Nagatoro flopped hard financially and even leddit didn't give a shit about it. The only people who cared were the jungle fever retards on /a/ and BLM twittertrannies who thought she was a nigger

>>17345844
She probably half japanese and half thai

>>17345857
Lui's total video numbers are high because she's posting daily video shorts.

I personally wouldn't count those.

>>17345210
I think there's a bunch of kpop idols who are Thai. Maybe Thailand is the hotspot of Asian Asiaboo talent.

>>17345844
>>17346088
She's japanese dumbasses, you can just look at her past life and even then she already explained as a holo why she knows thai

>>17342743
Prism did fat titted brown girl model way better.

>>17346484
Sara's design is league beyond Sana

>>17346055
Do you seriously think Nagatoro flopped hard because of BD sales?

Please tell me you're not that retarded

>>17342646
The model is extremely important for a vtuber, I'm surprised IRyS did somewhat good considering what she has

>>17338633
More contrarian-bait

>>17346484
It's aesthetically pleasing but pretty generic.

>>17346484
Vspo has the best gyaru sex model and it’s not even close.

>>17342646
Even if you change her skin color, she still looks like a "How to Draw Manga" character.

>>17343555
Flare is pure sex, you just have shit taste.

>>17342646
brown people are the normalfags mascot, nice try

>>17346055
The Nagatoro anime pushed manga sales hard and is getting a second season. I don’t believe streaming numbers are publicly available, and blu ray sales are no longer relevant measures of success

>>17347030
no she doesn't. You dont even know who pako is, please shut the fuck up.

>>17346698
That's because IRyS is a 10k+ streamer with a 2view avatar.

>>17338633
>unironically good
we sure about that?

>>17342646
Her skin color is the least important thing about her. Her design is so fucking shit it looks like a recolored fan art.
Pic related is brown too but cute

>>17346698
IRyS debuted solo at a time ppl were starved for a new gen.

I don't understand how JP does so well, how is there such big JP audience? Do every other japanese person watches vtubers?

>>17349899
sana's is better and more original you pedo.

>>17338633
Holy shit wtf is Lui on? Is she starting a stream every time she takes a piss?

>>17342777
This. I'll also add in general tribalism among the remaining EN fans. You don't see it as much on twitter as here, but it exists. There's tons of Council versus Myth comparisons, but you never see anyone ask who's better between HoloX and Gen 3, for example.

>>17350039
Sana herself is literally a pedo. Her male form is even a shota.

>>17346484
She's just a single shade darker than the average anime girl. I can't in good conscience put her in the brown category.
Just compare her with Sana's skin color. The difference is vast.

>>17350046
She's making short videos almost daily.

>>17338633
Laplus and IRyS are both better than all of HoloEN(+ID). What exactly seems odd about that ranking? Sana didn't stream for an entire month basically commiting growth suicide, she won't hit 500k before she graduates (And I'm talking YEARS from now, I'm not suggesting she's gonna graduate soon)

>>17350080
HoloEN was a comfy close knit group before Council. Council shook up that dynamic and for some people, (shipfags in particular) that caused some resentment. Not sure if something similar happened on the JP side for the earlier gens.

>>17349946
There are more people outside of Japan who speak, or at least understand japanese than you think.
According to the her recent twitter poll, Subaru's audience for example is 53% japan, 47% oversea and I'm pretty sure most of these oversea viewers understand japanese because 55% of the audience voted for talking stream as their favorite stream.

>>17350188
>comfy close knit group
Just because it was small doesn't mean it was close knit or comfy.

>>17338633
not at all anon

>>17345515
anon...

>>17350361
>13 sub nukes
Why did Cover not sue Youtube over this? This is clearly a planned out and coordinated attack by them

>>17349735
And yet San is a far more cohesive design than Sana's; I'd even call Edison more cohesive. IMO, Sana's a really odd outlier in Pako's portfolio, as opposed to say Redjuice where IRyS is clearly in line with his usual, but as a consequence she looks weird as fuck in motion.

>>17350188
>comfy close knit group
Gen 5 is a comfy close knit group
Gen 3 is a close knit group
Myth was 5 coworkers who couldn't even keep up the act of liking each other on stream for an hour every week. I would consider Myth the opposite of comfy (the individual streamers might be alright if you're an EOP but they have zero group chemistry)
Council wasn't exactly better in that regard, but at least now they have 10(&IRyS) members to play off of instead of just 5, so the overall mood of HoloEN changed for the better
That entire year where it was just HoloMyth was fucking rough

>>17345497
In Mumei’s case, it’s not counting the dozen or so unarchived karaokes she’s done, but you do have a point otherwise.

>>17343159
I don't think Sana even has an approach to streaming. She probably spend her off-days working as a professional artist and then uses her free time for full-on Pokémon autism to unwind.

>>17350524
I'd say Council as a group is way better than Myth. They clearly have chemistry in their full collabs, and any duo or trio collabs are golden. It just gets rough when Mumei has to interact with a senpai that isn't Mori, or if Kronii is having depression that day.

>>17350525
you cant keep pulling that excuse out of your ass every time anon
Mumei is a shit streamer why cant you agree what everyone else in the thread agrees to

>>17350776
It's just you kronie. Sorry you're a unicorn or an incel or whatever, but she's tied with Fauna for best EN.

>>17350853
>using buzzwords

>>17350776
Well, I don't agree. I think you should try watching streams before spewing bullshit

>>17350916
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>17343300
I hate americans

>>17350853
Well, day 1 sapling here and I think Mumei is an absolute garbage streamer.
She's just so fucking incredibly boring.
Good try tho.

>>17351223
>watching Council
IRyS is right there if you're an EOP

>>17350853
Can you remind us how many words came out of her autistic mouth during her holostars collab?
inb4
>s-she doesnt know j-japanese!!
She sure as fuck knows how to switch into fluent japanese when theres a jp vtuber in her chat so you cant pull that shit here

>>17351223
Fauna is carried by her babytalk sex voice. She'd be down there with Kronii otherwise.

>>17344252
People said the same about Irys, at some point you gotta stop coping.

>>17351424
who cares about talking to some 2views? didn't this board have a meltdown at the thought that she might talk to them? choose better bait.

>>17338672
her avatar is the main issue

>>17351424
You're reaching anon. Literally everyone kneeled at her not talking and just drawing. Stop being a cuck.

>>17351501
Holy cope

>>17351565
I wonder if mumei watchers have the intelligence to realize the irony in that post, they are probably too fucking retarded just like their oshi

they're lazy and boring

>>17351660
People who aren't failed school shooters don't generally care freak.

>>17351326
I gave Irys a fair chance but she just didn't interest me. Plus JP pandering in HoloEN filters the fuck out of me.

>>17351461
Nah, her gaming streams are very fun.
She always sounds like she's having the time of her life and it's extremely contagious.

>>17351729
I can tell you are a trained cuck no need to boast about it

>>17338633
There isn't a huge market for vtubers. Myth had a lot of hype that pulled people in from other boards and sites; I doubt most of their subscribers watch them all that often, much less other vtubers.

That's why collabs are so important.

>>17351748
>JP pandering
>Japanese company
yeah its pretty unbelievable

>>17351761
ESL-chama...

>>17338633
Sana - Stopped caring and is behaving like an unironic 2view. Also her model is shit. She has the face and dress style of a 12 yr old and the body of a bimbo. Doesnt satisfy either camp.
Fauna - Should have gone harder on the parasocial / GFE angle if ASMR was her shtick. Now shes in a weird middle area where normalfags think shes cringe while not giving incel viewers enough.
Kronii - Insecurity and autism. Wants hololive tier money without hololive tier viewership. Also she sounds like a woman in the transitioning phase of becoming a man.
Bae - Obnoxious voice and mannerisms. Ruins any collab she is in.
Mumei - Just plain boring and has attracted some of the worst viewers in Council because they think her feigning being dumb is incredibly funny despite her being an upcoming university grad.

>>17351830
>International English branch

>>17350776
Your criteria was less than 100 videos after 5 months. At least 12 streams are left out of the count due to being unarchived, which would bring her total to 107 streams on her channel. Statements of her quality as a streamer or your opinion of her are irrelevant to the discussion.

>>17351501
don't talk about my boys that way

>>17352192

Holobronies... you can do better..

>>17352253

>>17352203
The stars have some pretty good mascots.

>>17351748
yeah - I found Fauna to have surprisingly great sense of humor - I wish more people drop the ASMR prejudice and watch her more

I find every single member of council to be more entertaining than any one member of myth. Myth also has some really cancerous fanbases so I'm glad I don't have to deal with that with council.

Vox passes Sana in a couple days right?

>>17338672
>non-white
had it coming

You ever notice its mythfags who shit on council the hardest?

>>17352938
What are kronies
What are hoomans

>>17353144
literally all 5 of myth's fanbases are worse than any of those

>>17352940
No. He gets 4k~6k subs a day, so it'll be awhile.

>>17344455
The issue is her chat absolutely loves watching her play Minecraft, she claims she can't find a way to make it work and thus doesn't do it. If you like that type of content, it would understandably be frustrating.

>>17353331
lol okay

The EN gimmick is old. Japanese vtubers are superior. It's common sense.

>>17338672
She barely streams nowadays so she did it to herself.

>>17338633
i wonder

Even aside from the nigger meme, shit model, taking a literal fucking month off after debut, being into astrology, having an annoying accent, and not utilizing her art skills like Ina does; Sana has just proven to be a poor fit for Hololive. Ina works well because she's cunny, utilizes her art skills, actual good design/voice, and is relaxing plus she seems to actually care about Hololive unlike Council.

>>17342548
Long streams are a way for low view streamers to get more views over time since nobody really watches the whole stream later to begin with. Unless you've hacked youtube and gotten that most of the VOD watchers actually put in time to watch a 12 hour long stream, then the ones with less hours but get more views over time are getting a bulk of the ad revenue for it.

>>17338851
So she is Mori

>>17365669
So, basically the difference of being hired based on merit vs nepotism.

>>17338633
Council was a mistake. Bae is the only semi-decent one.

>>17344101
>Most council hate comes from people that never got past their initial first impressions
That's why first impressions are important anonchama

>>17352938
That is the normal human reaction. Sadly Myth fans are sperging out because it is patently obvious that Myth has such a shitty group dynamic that the Myth fanbase hate each other.

>>17369741
Remember Myth's disaster of a debut?
If they had any competition they would have drowned

I don't know why people say fauna is boring, her happiness in game is pretty nice and contagious. However being an EUW bro is such a pain when you want to watch her stream lol.

>>17338633
Sana is dragging the whole generation down, the best she can do is graduate soon, otherwise even ID 3 will surpass them, if you don't believe me cap this and we will talk again in 4 months.

>>17338672
Her voice is a massive fuckin filter for me.

>>17338672
Doubtful, hololive is a part time job to her like at least 3/5 of Council. If she has an audience, she's happy.

>>17338672
That's implying she cares.
(She doesn't).

>>17346234
Kpop companies will take pretty much any one who's Asian, there's plenty of Chinese and a few Japanese in the groups, as a well as a lot of US/AU/NZ-born Koreans. Hell one of the big three labels is making a big push towards Japan and debuted a jpop group about a year or two ago (NiziU)

>>17365669
cunny or funny? can't tell if that was a typo or not.

>>17350524
Council at least has some genuine chemistry with EN like:

Kronii + Mumei
Irys + Bae
Ina + Sana

Outside of Ame + Gura, Myth collabs were always awkward as hell. I think Amelia + Kiara ones were the most awkward. You can tell they literally never interact because Ame is literally in "Seiso Ame" mode the whole time.

>>17338672
>brown
>aussie
>one of the first non-debut streams was a fucking horoscope review
>takes her entire honeymoon phase off cause "dog died lol" when seniors have had pet deaths and just powered through it

>>17344220
Thank god Aloe graduated when she did. She'd have brought down HoloJP harder than the entirety of HoloEN is doing to hololive

>>17338633
Myth niches
> Gura : Old internet personified, meme master, highly clippable, siren voice, cute and funny
> Mori : Wigger rapper contribooting a bunch of orisongs and covers to hololive's repertoire. Also the now dead EN TTRPG attempt.
> Ina : art streams, older PC games, chill vibes
> Ame : La creatividad streams with a bunch of innovations every few months that the rest of the vtubing world then copies. Also the Gosling magnet.
> Kiara : Reluctantly took on the role of gen hag despite not being a hag, strong collabs, and created her own show holotalk (now if she could drop the chicken voice I could finally start watching her).

Council niches
> Kronii : The deep voice, step on me girl. But ASMR and Utawaku are rare.
> Fauna : attempt at EN Lamy but lacks her charisma in interactions with other holos, she can grow into it though
> Mumei : Singer + monster in cute girl's skin. Half Gosling half comedy. Had bf debuff but handled it well. Good enough niche and she's working hard at it.
> Rrat : Collab hag role, but opposite of hag so there's still a bit of weirdness in her role. Polishable and has a lot of potential.
> Sana...

Council is 3/5

>>17390698
>Old internet personified
Can't tell if underage or severely delusional chumbud

>>17338633
>Council are unironically good streamers with universally cute designs
wrong with both of these points and that's why they are doing so bad, because non of them bring anything special to hololive and are nijisanji tier vtubers

>>17344060
How can youtube not know ccv? Don't they have to upload the stream to every individual viewer??

Enjoy it while it lasts, choco sub shitters...

>>17390983
>underage
>severely delusional
>chumbud
yeah

>>17338633
>>17338672
Sana's model isn't as much of a debuff as you think it is, and I'll prove it. Let's compare Laplus and Sana's abilities using a random clip I found.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT3pDnnRQcM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T1ASlsNt5Q
>Laplus
Talks about weeb topics, Blue Archive and Uma Musume. I'm already interested in the topics even though I've never gotten into them, so I'm willing to listen. She is obviously an accomplished storyteller listening to her cadence. Notice how she opens with Blue Archive, what she loved, and how her friends kept badgering her to pick up Uma instead before she finally caved. She's a great comedian. That's even before the Uma Musume talk comes up. The jokes are relatable and funny. ("I kept going and then the sun had already come up").
>Sana
Talks about Haachama and a spider. Can't fill air. Her storytelling ability is laugh track levels of cringe. Obviously didn't rehearse. I feel uncomfortable listening to her because she's trying to make me laugh but she isn't good at it.
"I couldn't get rid of them no matter how I tried... like um the ones that can kill you so um hahahahaahah"

Also note how much Laplus laughs vs Sana. Laplus only laughs after she's done with her bit, when she's in improv mode, laughing at herself because she can't remember what she was talking about. Sana fake-laughs during her failed attempt at humor, to try to get pity laughs. I could go on but I think you get the point if you just watch the clips.
>But muh model, brown skin! It's not fairrrr
Watch the two clips again and tell me which model you would give to which clip. Laplus has a far better personality and entertainment ability, so she gets the better model. Simple. Laplus's model would be WASTED on someone as boring as Sana.

>>17338672
I will save her

>>17388285
Why though
t.newfag

Lui just hit 62k stream today with Okayu, Botan, La+, and Subaru as guest
Can Sana do the same with let's say Gura, Kronii, Ame, and Mumei
Hell you can make the lineup for Sana!

>>17342646
>>17342834
Shota version of herself looks 5x better

>>17341996
Sana's numbers aren't going to go up even if she keeps streaming. She's too eccentric for the EN viewers.

>>17402201
nta but I'm assuming because she's so mentally unstable, or anon is just a retarded aloe anti

>>17338672
YouTube is Anti-Australia because the Government is making Susan to pay for their news ads.

>>17402382
i doubt gura could even get that if she hosted a collab now and she's apparently the best EN has to offer

>>17392380
He's a schizo but he's right.

EN is the vtuber version of dubbed anime
Thats why they suck

>>17339854
YWNBJ

>>17343021
>she lied on her resume
spoonfeed me

>>17405940
She said she "exaggerated" her japanese ability

They should transfer rat to JP already, she's the only good one.

>>17405940
This >>17406720
Not to mention, part of the coner drama is because he claims holo applicants can just lie on their resume and they'll get hired either way.
Considering Calli applied as a joke, has connections with TT and didn't even bother with those claims, it's not THAT much of a stretch to imagine he got that info from her.
That's what the voices in my head told me at least.

>>17351892
This but unironically

>>17351892
I don't think you've watched Fauna beyond her debut stream. Your loss.

>>17390698
>Fauna : attempt at EN Lamy
I swear, this is some sort of reddit meme that quickly got out of hand. People who don't watch Fauna always make this comparison and act like they're identical when their only similarities are ASMR and arguably visual design. Personalities, goals and interests diverge greatly.

>>17414076
Mate, no one who posts in these threads watches streams. Who has the time when /vt/ moves so fast?

>>17392380
It's a bit of everything. Her voice filters people who honestly can't understand her jabbering. Her skin makes her less appealing to a good chunk of viewers. (Pale skin is almost universally considered an attractive trait.) Her content is really odd, like horoscopes, which filters even more. Finally, like you mentioned she's just not very good at streaming.
It's not just one thing.

>>17414166
I suppose you're right. Shitposting is a more valuable use of my time than watching anything.

>>17390983
>>17392362
nice "arguments"

The owl is the only talented one despite the debut buff

>>17338633
Sana should've been a Nagatoro or Jahy clone with a similarly appropriate voice, instead. It would've printed money, especially rounding out council with the smol that it lacks. I don't know what the fuck they were thinking.

>>17376052
Yes, I member how "a" didin't get memed for months after the debut

>>17349735
clearly pako's just better at drawing dudes

>>17402382
>Lui just hit 62k stream today with Okayu, Botan, La+, and Subaru as guest

Let's be real. That stream got big boost due to Yagoo being involved.

>>17344060
startling incompetence…
how is it so difficult to report the number of open ports across known number of nodes?

>>17338633
>Kronii has less videos than Laplus,
>Mumei and Fauna less than Koyori
>Rrat less than Lui
THE ABSOLUTE FUCKING STATE OF COUNCIL

>>17417090
YT's excuse is WURRRRRR BOT MANIPULATION WE HAVE TO EXCLUDE THE SUSPICIOUS ONES

itt: retards who don’t watch streams and just parrot bait threads
Never change /vt/

>>17338672
bad voice
bad hair
bad colors
bad attitude
bad motivation

animal crossing and pokemon are not fun to watch, the death of her "dog" which is a complete lie there's no way that she would be that emotional over a dog, a family member or something died from the coof and she is lying about it. should've stayed a twitter artist forever, thanks omegatroon and ina

>>17338633
Council is the literally the most boring generation of all Hololive. Compared to Myth too it was a big let down.
Council has :
>Fauna
Supposed to specialize in ASMR but a joke in comparison to actual ASMR vtubers, like noel or choco. Into "minecraft speedruns" but barely know anything about even basic stuff. Feels very shallow overall without much talent, countless other Holo do everything she does better.
Model is decent, doesn't really fit her personality but looks fine.
>Mumei
How did she get in? Hyped as civilization and history focus but barely any content about it and no there are no relevant "yab" about history with those games and you can talk about lot of that stuff without issues. She feels dead inside all the time and can just decently draw (rarel). She's insanely forgettable to a point I had to look up her name
Model feels lifeless, color scheme and all, like it's from some cheap RPG.
>Kronii
The one who stand out a bit, nothing crazy but the control of her voice and talent at voice acting is unique in HoloEN. She also have this cynical self-deprecating humor that is pretty pleasant as most HoloEN is just wholesome all the same. She's overall pretty good at improvising.
Still lacking in creative talents and game selection is fine but nothing special.
Mode is average, looks like discount fate kinda, boob windows is a bit overdone.
>Sana
The most promising from debut being passionate about niche hobbies with plan on that, very comfortable and confident already on that day, incredible artist. But all that for just a few streams with giant pauses and barely any drawing streams.
Model is notable for being complete garbage and nerved her numbers hard even before debut.
>Bae
What a miscast. The one good model of the gen, chaos as a theme, but the girl didn't have this personality at all and tried to force it but it really felt off. She's also not a smug brat aura the model gives nor the voice. Her singing is decent but overall she's all over the place and is a roberu fangirl before a vtuber at this point. She doesn't bring anything special either.

Meanwhile Holomyth :
>Mori
Multi-talented : She can draw, animate, compose music, mix, sing or rap, write lyrics. She even can manage TTRPG campaign with success. A workaholic who prepared multiple songs for he debut and did more releases than anyone. Helped her genmates like Kiara for her MV. Showcased her friend from before Hololive, didn't forget after getting fame. Improved a lot for the streaming part since last year.
>Gura
The face of en vtubing, a voice and personality perfect for her model, and most of all an amazing singer. She did struggle a bit at first to naturally speak and only stuck to her thin kayfabe lore. Her karaokes are a must see.
>Kiara
Felt like a HoloJP casted in HoloEN at first, but despite her lower numbers and insecurities, she's been the most earnest is pretty versatile, released
OG songs and speak 3 languages fluently, which made her come up with the very nice concept of HoloTalk. Overall stand out in EN as the one passionate about Idol Culture. Model was underwhelming, later update made up much better.
>Ame
While less remarkable, being a simple variety game streamer without any particular creative talent, she was the one with the most experience and technical knowledge which helped cement the gen early on. She had a few interesting ideas . Her work is done by now mostly.
Her model while not the most original and not fitting her personality and interests, still looks pretty good/
>Ina
A great artist always full of anecdotes to share, proof that a chill stream doesn't mean a boring one. Made a mascot for her viewers which along with a few serious talks early on made her chat the best of HoloEN. Early-days Hololive fan, genuine interest in Japanese culture and media much beyond surface knowledge. She's a model of stability and her model is a work of art.

It's not even close. Even the Vsinger irys is a better streamer than the whole Council. Council is a hard failure and numbers show it.

Very unconventional to the point she always got group of very vocal haters who consider vtubing to only follow strict and specific arbitrary rules.

Industrial Revolution bros ?
We get too cocky
>>17418891

>>17422159
quality > quantity, nijinigger

>>17354324
HoloEN and Niji EN both have awful game taste. streaming hours don't count when its flavor of the month or pokemon or apex. not interested in either of them anymore. not to mention the superchat baiting

>>17422412
That's why he chose both!
>>17422159
Great insight dude who is absolutely not me, there's not much to add after that. Brillant.

>>17349735
Appeal to authority doesn't work esp with art, if Monet put a brown circle on a blue canvas it would look like shit even though it's technically a Monet.

>>17414250
If she wasn't in hololive she would have under 30 ccv, and I'm not exaggerating. They gave her the worst council model for a reason. Who decided it was a good idea to hire her? There are small corpos with new gens that are FAR better.