/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>173419
You just described every female V-tuber ever. They ALL wanna bait the simps. They ALL wanna think they're more attractive than they really are. They're ALL in it for the money. Don't act like your oshi is any better just because they're part of an """idol""" company or whatever dumb shit you believe.

>>173419
Have faith in the free market.

>>173419
>My problem with these softcore hentai vtumors is that they are soulessly playing lonely boys on twitch for cash, and thats just depressing.
This is the simps' faults. They do it willingly, of their own accord. I have no problem with people taking advantage of people's weaknesses, that's just business.

>>173419
It's not my thing but I don't care about how other people choose to spend their time and money. If you don't like lewdtubers support someone else, or no one

>>173537
I think it's good to remember that lots of these VTubers are not just shameless thots milking idiots for more. I watched a secret un-announced stream this morning that wasn't meant to pander at all and yet they were gifted like 80 subs and something like $700. They ended the stream before anyone else gave them more money. I'm serious lots of these girls just want to stream for entertainment and community. What would they even need to do for a stream to be considered normal? Risu explains it very well.

https://youtu.be/h4ocsaRq3ns

>>173476
fpbp

We're done here.

>>173419
They exists because there's a demand for it. There's people out there willing to throw hundred of bucks for akasupas, membership and merchandise just to get their favorite VTuber's attention. What's horrifying is that they are not aware that all of these "relationship" are parasocial relationship, you care about them, they don't care about you.

That's why I always thought of VTubers as entertainers and nothing more than that.

>>173476
came here to say this
in addition: OP, you're retarded and have no self awareness
t. annoying orange poster

>>173476
That has to be the most scuffed "almost right" art I have ever seen
True indog quality

>>173419
This is one of the reasons I enjoy watching Momo (plays DnD with some of the vshojo crew on Arcadum's stream) - she just does or plays whatever she feels like and isn't a dedicated e-thot. She makes the occasional reference to dicks or tits or something but it's not her obsession, nor is she there to be coomer bait. And she genuinely gets into the games she plays instead of playing the fad of the week which is nice.

>>173419
I think the important difference is people lusting over an avatar versus falling for the personality and voice behind it. No one cares about this screeching dub-voice whore unless she's making her tits bounce or delivering crude sexual references every five minutes.

>>173419
Im no simp
However I love to talk and listen to degenerate garbage, so I like them
Melody however, her voice plays with my heart, but I dont care for her porn streams

>>174596
She also sings like a damn angel.

>>173419
>Some people STILL thinks it's christians complaining about this and not LBGTXYZ roastie's.

>>174693
Melody is the weirdest vtuber to me. I have never watched her Off-Brand Twitch streams either but I know she does them and I know she gets into them pretty hard. Then you see her on her non sloot streams and she just comes off as the most adorkable thing you've ever seen in your life. I guess from people who have watched her other streams she can be pretty adorkable there too but all I ever see is this soothing hybrid of mellowed out raver girl and high functioning autist.

>>175009
Shes such a soft goofy idiot, like the kind you wanna protect

>>174693
I dunno man, When Mel gets the big donations and suddenly moans a soft thank you as she gets really into it.. It does things to a mans heart. Like is she thanking you for donating money or thanking you for helping her get off? The way she says it suggests a little of both. How can Mel be so adorable in every situation? She's a very dangerous AI woman.

>>174992
It's both. The 15 year olds and roasties are just louder.

>>173419
ok homo

>>174510
>>173476
>>173537

It's not just women doing it. It's the nature of live streaming. People are fucking lonely in the modern world.

>>174596
>>174915
Yeah shes fucking great, amazing singer, funny, makes her own models
But the games she plays bore the shit out of me

>>175079
https://youtu.be/KpMnomBIDMc

I need more Melody noise compilations.

>>175257
>summit1g
kek what goes through the mind of the simps-for-males guy?

>>175379
It's like a broship, they play the cool character that you want to hang out with and play games with. That's why bro culture is such a big part of twitch.

>>173419
Stefan Molymeme had a really illuminating talk with a camsite owner, a good portion of it was about the men who use those services; how they're lonely, get obsessed with these women that don't actually care. Stuff we already know just from the stories of twitch simps and mods.

The owner saw one user literally deed a house to one camwhore and the guy tried stepping in, personally called the user to get him to stop burning all his money, a genuine effort to stop the idiot from making a really dumb choice.

It seemed to work--banning the user helped--but the guy was back under a different handle throwing his money at the camwhore.

Moral of the story is those people, the ones that throw money at girls (virtual or otherwise) will do it regardless of what you do to stop it. If it's not at one girl it'll be another.

If it's any consolation, at least they're wasting it on women that'll never actually love them instead of, say, drugs or booze. Still not good, but hey, you win some ya lose some.

>>173419
The big problem with her is... What the fuck is even the character design here?

Frankenstein girl with devil wings giant tits and a retard sweater?

>>173476
Well said

>>173419
i like how they cut through the bullshit and goes straight to selling sex.
the internet is built upon porn, vr is being spearheaded by porn. it's the natural order of things, and vtubing is no different.

>>173476
>You just described every female V-tuber ever
Not just every female vtuber, but ever Twitch thot.
How autistic do you have to be to not understand the female mind?

>>173419
I'm 35 and a virgin. I have no desire to throw away money on digital e-thots, but I'll watch them. Anyone who can't keep their wallet closed needs some self control. Next time you feel like simping, go jerk off, get some post-nut clarity and see if you still give a shit about throwing money away on tits.

>>179210
How does it feel at 35?

>>179298
I haven't cared in awhile. Again, if you start having any feels, post-nut clarity will make those go away. Now with the rona around, I consider every human to be cursed and I'd be too scared to even attempt dating.

>watching western "lewd"tubers
Do people really?

>>179477
unfortunately

>>173419
Well, if you're dumb enough to fall for that shtick you deserve it. I just like seeing anime chicks dance around on screen while playing vidya or talking about interesting shit, porn is free.
As for the killing your loneliness/companionship bit, a lot of them are so fucking dumb or weird it puts me into a state of disbelief and prevents me from seeing them as a romantic interest.
Watch interesting streams, don't watching boring ones, simple as

>>179477
You got a problem with liking attention starved females? There's a reason most of them "enjoy" hentai. The population is usually about 50/50 men and women. There are currently large swathes of male virgins sitting at home playing games and looking at hentai. Even if these women lost their virginity at some point there's still too many lonely anxious dudes staying home too afraid to talk to a woman which means there is an equal number of lonely women sitting at home wishing they had someone. That's the sad truth about life, Humans don't take multiple partners. If you sit at home alone, Your opposite somewhere in the world is sitting there alone.

>>179477
>Watching lewd
>Do people really
What a dumb fucking question.

>>180563
>Humans don't take multiple partners
Nobody tell him

>>180968
If I want lewd I will watch Japanese HTubers and not this shite.

>>177564
>they play the cool character that you want to hang out with and play games with
Thats pretty gay and pathetic, if only people spent as much effort trying to socialize with real people instead of throwing cash at these fake "friends" there wouldn't be this many simps and deluded paypigs now would there?

>>173419
completely agree but either the uncultured coomers go there or they come to hololive and make disgusting remarks about my shark wife. i think i'd rather they stay there.

>>180563
That's an adorably romantic view of the world, Anon.

>>174639
Based.

>>175089
moaning plays with your heart? god you coomers are something else.

>>174290
Risu is the queen of vtuber

>>181432
Man I there was a place where I can throw cash at real people.

>>180563
>being this delusional

>>181621
It's not the moan man, It's the act of thanking you. The soft breathless moan the way only Mel could pull off is just extra flavor added.

>>181744
She's a dime-a-dozen whore you pathetic retard coomer, holy shit

>>181652
Ai is

>>177990
>If it's any consolation, at least they're wasting it on women that'll never actually love them instead of, say, drugs or booze.

Better it go to some woman who might have a kid than some shareholders or drug dealers, I suppose.

>>173419
Her problem is she's just awful, she made this character as an ironic joke to shit on vtubing as a whole. But now that actual money is involved this thot strolls in with her shitty joke of a character to double dip on her original youtube channel AND her vtubing. She's a transparently insincere bandwagoner and for that she's shit.

>>175257
this is the saddest thing i've seen all week.

Please don't tell me you actually ever superchatted a v-tuber. Right anon?

>>182143
If shes truly awful she'll quit in notime.

>>182217
You can be an awful vtuber and still succeed because of coomerism.

>>181044
>>181567
>>181740
you guys are too cynical.

>>182236
Is it a sin to believe?

>indies get the ban hammer for twitter posts
>corpos don't
What the fuck is wrong with this board?

>>173419
she seems completely mental like she cuts herself every night or some shit.

>>181335
Good for you.

>>174992
its really neither, its side administrators panicking about damage to their brand and the loss of ad revenue.

>>184060
Well she is gigguk personal cum dump

Why do people even watch VShojo?

>>173419
>Mocking Christians
It's not 2005 anymore, slut

>>182143
So just like Zentreya then?

guys it's easy to blame the simps. and they are indeed complete morons. But the predators who exploit the weak are really to blame.

>>173476
My oshi told us she loves us. Your proof?

>>184265
I don't want to watch subbed clips and I don't really like any of the HoloEN girls. I watched Korone's two Engrish Mario streams, those were cash.

>>173476
>You just described every female streamer ever. They ALL wanna bait the simps. They ALL wanna think they're more attractive than they really are. They're ALL in it for the money. Don't act like your oshi is any better just because they're part of an """idol""" company or whatever dumb shit you believe.

>>184280
What? Zen was doing "virtual" shit back during VRChat and moved because VRChat is a dead end for streamers.

>>184265
froot, ironmouse and melody are fine

>>185405
Their English-reps seem to have stalled.

not everyone can play the ecchi game as well as Vei.
She is a great mix of sexual and innocently cute.

>>186208
Whenever I see her all I can hear is her saying "What the fuuuuuuck"

>>173476
My chat asks me to fart for them.. Man all these people are scary I just wanna stream with my friends for fun.

>>174577
it looks like an AI made it up

>>174290
love risu
soft voice
soft thighs

>>186208
literally nothing innocent about vei. NOTHING.

>>173419
https://voca.ro/1eIdFBMGDkuW
You just don't understand OP. You don't get it.

>>173419
I have no respect for
>lonely boys on twitch
so it's all good. A fool and his money are soon parted.

>>173476
774 inc don't bait dudes (except Patra maybe...but not really) and neither do the indies I watch.

>>186329
We know mori

>>173419
(((Like all anime vtubers)

>>173476
Is Hana having a stroke in that pic?

>>173476
True, they are all in it for the money, but the difference is the quality in entertaining content they offer, like Pekora and Coco for example, not that I give money to any of them.

What do you guys think of Gacha players?
Some of those people throw serious money to roll a cute anime girl that isn't even alive.

>>181674
Try a strip club.

>>180563
Check message reply statistics by user rating on Okcupid.

The male message-to-attractiveness distribution is skewed to the right.
In other words, females message the top x% of men, and the bottom y% get very little.

Compare that to the female message-to-attractiveness distribution, which is reasonably normal.

It gets worse when you start looking at height, age, and race messaging statistics, too.

It's supply and demand, like any other marketplace.

>>179210
Have you not considered getting a prostitute or something?

>>185405
Check out Tsunderia, they atleast make some effort to emulate japanese vtubers.

>>187311
Gachafags are mentally ill, no normally adjusted person burns through thousands of dollars for their png waifu.

>>187425
>>181044
>>181567
Yeah and you know what happens to those women? They either become bitter used up thots, or if they had some self awareness they realised they made a horrible mistake and end up sitting inside all day, being as >>180563
described. You people are so fucking poisoned by certain media that paints every women as a turbothot (even though there are many) that you don't realise this.
These girls just don't hang out in the same online spaces as you, but they ARE out there. A lot of them are in MMOs.

>>187588
ngmi

Different take: While there are schizos donating--when are there not schizos in a fanbase of more than 1 person?--the majority of the people who are donating to the Holos, at least, are not simps so much as they are otaku. Giving money to the Holo they like watching is, to them, no different than spending $200 on a PVC figurine or $80 on character goods so they can get a clear file. See:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg6y1RmkeWE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEnOMw0Py_A
As you can see, the ones donating are not selling all of their organs to donate to Rushia or whatever the memes are; they are dudes who clearly have pretty good jobs and have both the ability and willingness to spend lots of money on their interests without worry.

>>187425
Yes, because all asocial shut-ins have an account on okcupid or some other dating site.

>>187481
At least it's not a JPG waifu

>>187588
Anon, I'm not calling all women thots here: it's just supply and demand. Women are in high demand from men. Men are in high supply for women.
Reproductive risk is also a lot higher for women, than it is for men.

Sure there are other cute quiet weeb girls out there playing vidya, DnD and/or MtG, but 1) they have their own standards and 2) they already put themselves in male dominated environments, and so already inherently have a higher selection of men around them.

If they're less attractive, then more guys in those environments will feel like they are in the same league, and will be less hesitant in approaching them, which is also more competition.

If you want to get a gf as a guy, you need to tidy up your appearance (lift/lose weight), put yourself in an environment that increases contact with your desired demographic of women, and then make it a numbers game until you find a girl who you like and who likes you.

>>187762
The sample size was in the thousands, so you can make some reasonable inferrences from it.

>>187757
>are not simps so much as they are otaku.
>Implying there's a difference

>>187860
Yes, and the only thing such a sample tells you about is the kind of person who's enough of a skank/enough of a loser to use something like OKCupid. Whatever data you get from it is useless outside of that specific context. It's the equivalent of if I was trying to do a study ostensibly about American dining habits but limited my data collection to only Popeye's Chicken and Biscuits.

>>187912
You would be right if the sample was small enough, but if it's big enough, it's eventually going to include variations in the types of people on the side, which gives a better representation of the population, even if it's not perfect.

>>181432
I don't see how it's more pathetic than throwing money at fake women.

>>175009
>I have never watched her Off-Brand Twitch streams either but I know she does them and I know she gets into them pretty hard. Then you see her on her non sloot streams and she just comes off as the most adorkable thing you've ever seen in your life.
Offsite streams are basically the same, except now she wants to suck your dick.

>>187950
It's not really about the amount of people, It's about the type of people going to the dating sites.

>>188231
So does /pmg/ have a /vt/-section or did they get scared off?

>>192856
/pmg/ as a whole was always reluctant to move to a blue board. The shitty reaction from holofags to the few crossboarders that came over sealed the deal really.
At the end of the day, VShojo fans aren't the ones who needed a containment board because the board they were using got fed up with them. They got a good thing going, no need to try and fix something that isn't broken.

>>192990
So they got driven off by a few shitposters?
Why don't establish a colony?

>>188231
I watch a bit of some to see the hype. Like other anon said, its melody but the focus is entirely on her being slutty. Wasnt a fan since its typical camgirl content, but she does have an actual personality, so its easy to see how she btfo the competition so easily.

>>187086
sorry for shilling my own clip in advance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBPQOMjYiC4

>>192990
They're not the only ones who haven't migrated yet. It seems like the hololive global general is the only one that actually migrated. Holostars and Nijisanji generals both stayed on /jp/

>>187285
coco makes money off of reddit memes what the fuck are you on about, her entire appeal resides in her overly sexualized model and her speaking a minimum of english when no one else could at the time.

>vshojo

>>180563
Dicks are abundant and of low quality.
It's a secret to no one that men can be more naturally polygamous, whereas women are more naturally hypergamous.

Now if you add things up, it makes perfect sense that any time you ask a woman, she's already been or is currently in a relationship, whereas when asking men, they've either had multiple sexual encounters + relationships, or barely had any, the latter being the most common among men on internet, whereas every single girl you will meet has a crush on someone and is/has been in a relationship.

It's always been like this, in the past men could get away with it through arranged / forced marriage or straight up rape. Nowadays women have an actual choice on top of not being as sex-dependant as men are, they can take their sweet time to decide who to date.

>>192990
That's unfortunate. I've only been on here a few days but I can already tell the level of ignorance and shitposting against VShojo is pretty fucking ridiculous. I'm not naive that I wouldn't see immediately on 4chan how HL / NJSJ / Vshojo / Indie whatever people wouldn't turn tribal and declare those not part of their tribe to be shit taste and go to war because reasons but it makes no sense to me. I like Vshojo and I also like some HL and indie vtubers (I haven't explored NJSJ much yet). I don't see the need to be tribal about this shit but the level of bullcrap i see flung at Vshojo girls is really obnoxious. Especially when it is factually wrong crap that could be answered with a quick google search.

>>193068
/pmg/ has a pretty low tolerance for shitters. Even then, it's not so much "driven off" as it is "why bother migrating?"
As I said, if it ain't broken don't fix it. This board exists because of Hololive fans causing problems on /jp/, not VShojo fans causing problems on /aco/.

>>197038
I feel it would be better to try. They are note completely NSFW.

>>193141
is this a POV of the avg anon...
it's too spot on kek

>>193141
I feel assaulted.

>>173419
>banned on twitch for anime titties
Can people start using other platforms other than Twitch and Youtube.

>>178310
I don't fucking understand the metal plates and shit, pick a theme and focus on it, fuck.

>>174290
>I'm serious lots of these girls just want to stream for entertainment and community.
What a load of bs.

>>200167
No problem. Just learn japanese. Or make your own place where you hold responsibility and are more likely to get targeted for copyright violations.

>>201951
>every woman is just out to scam people and get money
Okay incel

>>202019
You have no proof that a majority of them wouldn't stay on if it weren't for the promise of money, so don't pretend like you do. And if "getting too many donations" was an issue, rather than resting on their laurels and you jerking off their behavior, they should only monetize the last bits of their stream.

>>202019
And that's not a women thing. It's an online entertainment thing. Go back to /r/eddit with your buzzwords.

>>173419
Bitch you watch camgirls with anime avatars and pretend you're not on the same level as one of Belle Delphine's fucking simps?
Get some fucking self-awareness your money actually pays those bitches bills, get your life together.

>>202019
Not all women, but these women specifically made a business out of it, yes.

>>173476
This isn't wrong but I still would rather watch someone that doesn't make it quite so blatantly obvious.

>>178310
She just hit the random button on the generator and called it character design.
>>204129
Yeah just put a rug over it, is like the abyss is not even there.

>>173476
>This.
At the end of the day Vtubers are an evolution of the Virtual Girlfriend.

>>204188
Maybe it's putting a rug over it but it's a question of effort. Seeing someone putting effort into maximising their income rather than attempting to be entertaining is not good

>>193141
Felt like she was my tard wrangler, kinda disgusting.

Don't you feel ashamed of what you became between this and last year?
And I bet two years ago you shit talked twitch titty streamers and thought of you as better for "not falling into that".
You're all disgusting. I hate this fucking board.

>>181993
>than some shareholders
Commie detected. Most adults that have a decent job will have 401Ks which make them shareholders. Stop reasoning like a clueless peasant.

>>185649
Zen also lied on VRChat for years about being mute. I consider that scummy behavior.

>>205384
This board didn't exist 2 years ago

>>207198
Zen has never claimed to be mute and in fact put out a public statement saying that they would never do so. Another reason I think Perish's video is full of shit. Besides, lots of VRChat people don't use mics.

>>187425
Women don't join dating sites because of all the unwanted dick pics and cringelords. I can't tell you how many times a week I get sent some retarded ass messages

All of this is a precursor to when we finally get robots intelligent enough to simulate a relationship with human beings. There's no reason to spend tens of thousands of dollars on men or women when you can drop 400 on an AI that says it loves you or 10k on a robot that has dead fish sex with you whenever you desire.

Imagine how hostile people will act towards each other once they have literally nothing to gain from being nice. We're so fucked, man.

>>208328
microtransactions will 100% be part of that kind of thing

>>182143
>She's a transparently insincere bandwagoner and for that she's shit.
Personally I feel like this is just to have more vshojo idols to collab with

>>174992
>depraved cows
>calling the women behind the avatars ugly
This is at worst roastie talk. Most likely it's some simp who thinks he's clever for not simping for specific girls.

>>173476
Let's be honest, giving money to any youtuber/streamer regardless of purity or gender is pretty degenerate.

>>208430
It's either that or paid friends. Humans are lonelier than ever and it's only getting worse. How many of these popular vtubers have real friends? Barely any of them. Parasocial relationships, either with other humans or algorithms, will be the end of us. The social contract WILL fall apart at this rate. In 2030, you will have no real friends, and you will be happy (as long as you pay micromtx fees, of course).

I dunno, dude. I started this back in mid-2000s streaming games to random people to pass the time, and this has all evolved into a monstrosity where the top earners all (subconsciously or consciously) manipulate people into giving them money. I just wanted to stream games to a small audience, not turn it into a fucking celebrity culture.

>>207712
Many people Zen was associated with described him as being mute IRL and he never corrected them. He let people believe this for a long time so you're full of shit. The text to speak shit came later when he switched avatars and moved to youtube vids.

>>175009
She comes off as super generic and bland to me. I don't find her entertaining in the slightest. She has to be carried conversationally by more outgoing people whenever she's in a group so a solo non-porn stream is torture.

>>175009
>>175079
I find it hard to stomach the adorkable shit, I don't know how you fags do it. I don't dislike melody but I think it's mostly coomer power

>>193275
>her entire appeal resides in her overly sexualized model and her speaking a minimum of english when no one else could at the time.

She's not my oshi, but I think that's a terrible flanderization.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prVadBFOP0Q

>>208823
>other people say
>doesn't correct them

Not her responsibility, assuming she even knew about it. Her public statement is more meaningful than that drib. Also she didn't start using TTS until August of last year.

>>210745
Public relations is the responsibility of any business. So yes, it is her responsibility.

>>181993
Though to be fair, nothing saying they AREN'T buying either in addition to throwing good money at vtubers.

There're people out there who, if they have to decide between giving money to a vtuber or starving, will choose to give money. I've seen on multiple times a guy reach the $500 SC cap with one account only to log in on a different one and give more SCs that way. It's crazy

>>173476
/thread

>>211078
>public affairs
>public statement refuting being mute

Done and done. No more complaining out of you now.

>>191888
You can't just categorise everyone who uses a dating site under one stereotype. People use them for different reasons.
OkCupid's member base, whilst being a majority young white Americans, still had a spread across all ages and races, which they were able to normalise to make fairer assumptions.

Tinder is another example though: Look at how many messages girls get vs guys.
There was even that app (was it Bumble) designed to let girls have control over the interaction since women are messaged so much.

My original point was this: the dating availability between men and women is not 50:50, and that due to demand, men have it harder finding a woman than vice versa.
The problem women have is picking the best guy from what's available to them. I'm not saying that all women have it easy full-stop: I'm just saying that on average it's easier for them than men