/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Another mori bait thread “yawn”

She's so happy, happier than with myth or council

Mousey is based. Fuck Connor.

pink women bad

>>17302175
Calli doesn't care about Holo people.

>>17301954
Not really. Just goes to show the people who were worried when EN was introduced were wholly right.
>if you don't want anti-japanese anituber collabs
>if you don't want twitch thot collabs
>if you don't oppose all restrictions on cover employees
>you are a hater and should be purged from the vtuber community

Fuck EN.

>>17302405
So what's your solution then Einstein?

>>17302405
Sounds like you want a caged fake actor reading off a script than actual women or human interaction. Might i suggest sticking to visual novels instead

Mousey is the #1 VTuber. So be happy she is collaborating with your precious little Oshi holofags

>>17301954
Is this real? Link to the stream.

>>17302704
We get it. You want to turn vtubing into another venue for nothing more than twitch whoring because you can't get enough off troons going on about their fake genitals.

>>17302704
You just described Hololive's appeal, some of us don't want a normal female on streams because we get that from friends, co-workers, discord, etc. Many watch them for the cute anime girls doing cute stuff, I can't believe I'm saying this but you're acting as if you NEEDED woman interaction more than anyone if you're looking for that from streamers.

>>17301954
Pink woman collabing with a whore
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Well they both have something in common

Connor's girlfriends.

>>17303003
One rides Connor's cock metaphorically and the other one literally

>>17302880
This post sounds like it was made up by a stupid idolfag generator, good job anon you couldn't sound more retarded if you tried

>>17302880
We get it you want to make pretend you have a girlfriend like an actual beta cuck because you cant get any for 40 years and counting. Maybe if you drop the lotion and the png cunny then touch some grass just maybe

>>17302704
i too am excited for hololive to abandon what made it popular and turn in to amouranth but with anime avatars as a long time fan of hololive since 2021

>>17301954
Why does ironmouse have more viewers than Calli? Does this mean VShojo is better than Hololive?

>>17303062
No its just your common variety mori cuck jabronie

>>17303085
>pretend girlfriend
That'd be you simping for a girl out of reflexive caregiving for a sick woman.

>>17303161
Ironmouse always had superior numbers to mori kid. Faster your pink wigger leech exits the stream the better

>>17303161
Objectively, twitch CCV are about as valuable as a Zimbabwe dollar.

>>17303208
Lol non of mousey’s fans call her oshi or even looks at her in a sexual way. We’re not cucks like you lolbeats

>>17301954
The game they're being made to play is crap, I'm not watching this. Call me when she goes on Speak of the Devil.

>>17302704
Yes, truly hololive should abandon everything that made them succesful and become yet another generic western brand with zero entertainment value.
Let us not forget the obligatory genuflection to weekly twitter politics and hatred of anything remotely relevant to male interests, anyone who opposes this is just a nerd who needs to get out and have sex more or as the TT femoids says "touch grass".

>>17303143
>since 2021

Man, you were late to the party jabroni

>>17303339
You saviourfags literally wouldn't give a single shit about her if she didn't have CVID.

>>17302199
true & true.

>>17303062
No he's right. There are a million twitch whores for you to watch, even vtubing ones. Holo is something different, and you fags can't take it.

>>17301954
this only makes my hate boner harder

>>17303161
You can always tell theres a holobronie is on the thread the moment he brings up numbers. Why are these kids always so angry and insecure. Bunch of underaged users fuckin zoomers shitting up the place

>>17303143
this but unironically, except it's since 2020

>>17303375
>ve should abandon everything that made them succesful and become yet another generic western brand with zero entertainment value.
>Let us not forget the obligatory genuflection to weekly twitter polit
Keep coping. We both know Vsjojo is better than Hololive

I guess they're happy to share? That's nice for them.

>>17303375
this guy fucks. kek

>>17303425
She sings better than you shitty fake “rapper”

>>17303531
you're not even trying baitfag

>>17303531
I can't even name a Vshojo aside from Mousey.

>>17303531
>Vsjojo is better than Hololive
I too am a huge fan of Vsjojo

>>17301954
This is cringe

>>17303572
I'm sure her singing is why you watch her.

>>17303584
i can't even name a single vtuber

>>17303640
Yep and she has more variety in content in a week than your average holo cycle of minecraft apex arc in a year

what part are we in now

>>17303531
>Vsjojo is better than Hololive
I don't know what's more hilarious. The fact that you actually believe that to be true or the fact you can't even spell your precious Corpo's name right.

>>17303746
nobody has a fucking clue because of all of the words in image anon

>>17303576
>you're not even trying baitfag
because i am spitting facts
>I can't even name a Vshojo aside from Mousey.
hmm, look like you forgot the VTubers by the name of Nyanners and Veibae who are mogging the entirity of Hololive en. It happens when you watch members not so entertaining members like Mumei

I'm still alive and I still hate them

Kneel

Hey cuckbeats tell your owshi (shit that word is really cringe) to liven up. Mousey is terminally ill dont make her carry some deadweight scripted holo who cant even fake enthusiasm. Holy shit shes really a bad actor why do you deadcucks watch her

>>17303746
The part where I stride in!

>>17303746
They're trying but so far JPs are immunized.

>>17303796
>falling for such obvious falseflaggotry
cmon haaton

>>17303885
we're all terminally ill you AIDS infested retard

>>17303746
tfw I'm green and pink is literally Mori ruining the vtuber scene.

>>17303796
Dont use my oshi for your false flagging garbage man. You EN cucks are a shame to hololive

>>17302405
Watch phase connect and prism. FAGGOT WATCH PHASE AND PRISM

>>17303494
How new are you that you can’t recognize bait?

Damn zero chemistry between these two. Does Cali just suck at collabs or what?

>>17303796
Must be super entertaining to watch the same 10 japanese indie horror games or the other 5 games hololive gives permission to play

>>17301954
What is mousey doing in the same video with this bitch

>>17302175
>Trash Tastes e-girlfriend
Gee I wonder why!

>>17304126
Calli just sucks all together

>>17303746
Mori is trying her best but it is progressing quite slowly still, she won't destroy our hobby so easily.

>>17303796
well atleast from the collaboration it is apparent who is better. And mind you isn't Mori like your 2nd most subscribed VTuber?
Means she should be the second best, isn't it?
Just imagine how bad the others are

>>17304051
No seriously whats up with your mori. She has the personality of a cardboard are hologirls always that fake? You can see how unhappy she is to be here right? Is she forced by corpolive? Blink twice to call 911

>>17302175
Don't worry anon some of us are old enough to understand this joke

>I hate idol culture and Japanese culture, I just want to watch streamers
>I could either watch the 82749294 streamers and western vtubers like vshojo/nijien/indies/etc. out there
OR
>I could go to Hololive and demand that they too become just like the rest instead of offering people something different

>>17301954
Personally Mouse is alright to me but fuck Mori for not waiting like two months for the shit to die down before doing this. The more inter-agency collab drama exists, the further we get from the dream NijiEN collabs. She really can't conceive of any response to negative attention other than doubling down, can she?

>>17304126
She is a basic bitch with no personality.

>>17304268
Nothing present in this collab is incongruent with idol culture or Japanese culture.

>>17304207
I kinda feel bad for her.
Kiara seems to be the only one really comfortable with collabs, able to match the energy or carry it during collabs.
Ina does okay too but she has a lower energy vibe to her.
Cali is not very good at this and Gura is also equally bad.
I'm not sure where Amelia fits in but probably somewhere in the middle because of her lack of JP skills.

>>17304126
>girlfriend meets the other woman
ofcourse itll be awkward

>>17304221
This is their premium vtuber. Totally scripted and sold their soul to susan lmao. Theyre pretty “pure” alright. Purely robotic

>>17304309
Doesn't change the fact that a ton of faggots post dumb shit like "uhh why can't holos just have bfs, why are there no enstars yet, why dont they just make them part of the same group, why cant they show their face sometimes?"

>>17304351
I'm feeling too ogey to know what the rrat you're on about.

This is the exact reason I stopped watching Cali.
Same reason I stopped watching Kiara.
Same reason I stopped watching kson.
Same reason I stopped watching Pikamee.
I will never watch or support anyone who has anything to do with vshojo.

>>17304273
It's stupid of Mori. She makes it too incredibly obvious that people's opinion lives rent-free in her head, she turned into a salty schmuk that keeps trying to stir the pot on purpose, just to run away making tours on her roommate once she fucks up even further. For a woman that kept bragging that she goes to 4chan on her roommate and making songs that "haters are kids, I hate myself more" she seems...eh.

>>17304386
Well then, I say you should take it up with them instead of yelling at an invisible enemy.

>>17302175
She genuinely hates her genmates, doesn't she?

>>17304422
Explain your hatred. What did vshojo do?

>>17304221
lol among ENs maybe.
And I don't think she's even in the top 15 for superchats.

>>17302574
Don't let Holos collab outside of strictly other big name Vtubers that aren't whores

>>17304422
Trust me holofaggot we dont want anything to do with you delusional weirdos that wants to fuck mechanical animatronics instead of women

>>17304489
They create the sort of content that I want kept away from any of the hobbies I enjoy. I will not support them being accepted.

>>17304489
He believes that if he watches enough hololive he'll become japanese and get a nice pure waifu

Least their getting paid big money for this for this #AD.
They don't seem to get along together.

>>17304489
They are walmart brand digital whores for the most part. They dilute the medium by collabing with normie ecelebs

i bet either of these retarded vtubers are glad they dont have to wake up every morning and be (You)

>>17304421
First day on /vt/‽

>>17304516
Ah I see, I have you to thank for taking HoloSummer and EroLive away from us. Fucking puritan

>>17304564
>He likes to fuck barbie dolls

>>17304564
do you also not accept anyone who has collabed with Marine or Haachama then ?

>>17304627
Don't know what either of those are and don't really care I don't want holo's collabing with any vtubers outside of HoloLive, Niji collabs I am ok with.

>>17304597
Incredibly funny to say that of Vshojo when 80% of Hololive has no personality and are literally just carried by the brand name

>>17304645
The fact that you associate vtubing with sex only proves my point.
>>17304652
No because they aren't the same no matter how many times you try to push this false narrative.

>>17302704
I take it you've never watched HoloJP in your life?

>>17304627
That was youtube restrictions you massive mongoloid.
Though if americanized twitch whoring is your proposed alternative then i'd rather let those go any day of the week.

>>17304489
Vshojo is a ragtag group of gutter trash whores, multiple of which talk about how they have sucked cock and the taste of cum.
They are just your average twitch "gamer girl" but with an anime avatar. Shit.

>>17304221
>Just imagine how bad the others are
Lmao, even in en, she isn't even in top 10.
Mumei, Gura, IRyS, Ina, Amelia, Kiara, Fauna, Kronii are way more entertaining than Calliope Fucking Mori

>>17304309
You really expect vshoujo to be representative with Japanese culture?

>>17304597
Thats rich coming from a holofag that worships fake actors that fucks chinese investors behind your back and act like a robotic saint on camera. Just look at this pink wigger. She seems like shes more restricted than a uiygur in china, literal guns pointed at her head lmao

This Mori shit was funny for the first 2 days, now you faggots are just starting to sound like the zhangs you hate so much

>>17304728
oh fuck off lol haachama literally does hentai reviews joking about cum, but it's ok she's japanese so it's still pure

>>17304813
Your mistake was assuming I'm a purityfag that cares about whether or not a vtuber talks about sex.

>>17304555
Not him but why is someone everything wrong under the red sun when they say they don't like watching a certain vtuber? Is like there's this weird form of hardcore celebrity worship to the point where anyone that doesn't like a group you like is
>insert copy paste insult
>>17304567
See what I mean?

>>17304728
>hes really mad people know he fucks barbie dolls

>>17304372
>This is their premium vtuber. Totally scripted and sold their soul to susan lmao. Theyre pretty “pure” alright. Purely robotic
naa dude, she isnt even in top 10 from the EN. She is famous only because of her music

>>17304564
Too vague. Require details.
>>17304597
Ah, I think I get what you mean. They collab with other Twitch personalities.
>>17304609
I browse /vt/ like once a week. You live here bro?
>>17304763
That makes complete sense.

>>17304720
Yeah, doesn't change my point at all though
>>17304806
All entertainment is artificial, I just prefer the type of artificial that isn't digital twitch thots. You are free to disagree.

>>17304734
Why would i eat mainstream woke fake lesbo shit when i eat steak all the time

>>17304806
Holy fuck, go try and save your western whores from patriarchy or something faggot.

>>17304763
Yea just look at your mori, total quality talented streamer lmao. Damn you holocucks for making our mousey’s work alot harder

>>17304809
So long as there's the slightest chance of that welsh faggot getting the least bit of say in hololive I will keep reiterating what a massive faggot he is when people bring him up.

>>17304918
>They collab with other Twitch personalities.
On the surface I don't even care if they do this, its their lives and if it makes them happy then fine. I just don't want it to influence the market in a way that warps the Vtubers I do like into doing similar things. I don't want shit like Fubuki collabing with Ludwig or Michael Reeves collabing with Korone, I don't have any strong feelings of those 2 people that makes me dislike them or anything but I just don't want the mediums to mix, especially when it means more of their audience in the thing I like, which again on the surface is fine but when they become the majority the thing I like will change to accommodate that in a way I won't like.

>>17305030
that will definitely achieve something

>>17305016
>Yea just look at your mori, total quality talented streamer lmao. Damn you holocucks for making our mousey’s work alot harder
Now you know how hard the rest of the Hololive girls have to work whenever they collab with her.

>>17303857
Mousey stream yesterday peak at 39k, Mousey is literally as big asTD2WR Gura

>>17304809
The good news (if there's any) is that this is the only place where this shit's discussed on an endless loop, anywhere else (YT comment box, Twatter) it's beginning to burn down because of how retarded vtuber drama is.

>>17301954
I don't get it. Is all of this just like, fluffed-up pretend drama for the funsies or something? Or do people unironically rally behind these two groups in droves for their insane No-True-Scotsman faggot wars?

>>17305121
twitch has bots man, loads and loads of them that then send to watch streamers when not being used to make them appear real

Mouse's deck is suck! Who use Fighter card today?

I really understand backseat viewvers now

>>17304918
>Too vague. Require details.
Their humor is bad. Their choice of entertainment is bad. Their format is bad. Their designs are bad. The platforms they stream on are bad. Their personalities are bad. I do not want vtubing to normalize or adapt any of these things. I want them kept as far away from my hobbies as possible.

Westerners are just shit in hololive because hololive is built by Japs for Japs, they tried to do holojp but with english speakers and it's fucking shit because, surprise surprise, the west and Japan aren't the same. This is why Nijien is way better, because it actually plays to the strenghts of Western culture instead of trying to play to the strengths of a culture its talents have no way of actually replicating.

>>17304792
Fuck off IRyS is the worst Holo EN VTuber. I am a Vshojo fag and even i can tell she is a burden to Hololive. And its funny Mousey can sing better than all your pathetic little idols

>>17305076
It'll certainly make his faggot-ass fans who don't belong here seethe whenever people point out he was a business partner of an aggrevated child molester.

>>17305154
correct

>>17305227
>IRyS is the worst Holo EN VTuber
ok now this a war crime
> Mousey can sing better than all your pathetic little idols
take your meds

>>17303003
They have pink hair?

>>17305222
>pogchamp senpai pog pog omegalul senpai fuckboy
>the strengths of western culture
should have left it to western companies so we could escape garbage collabs at least

>>17305016
You'd have to be retarded to think I'd even consider defending Mori. Please, take her, she's all yours.

>>17301954
>nobody wants to watch it

JP Holos are gonna say clips of that super wholesome Ironmouse moment and gonna be beating down the door to collab with her.

Throw wide the gates!

i love how a part of calli fanbase hates connor and want her to stop talking to him while mouse fans keep telling him to just date mouse already

>>17305332
Mouse was an opera singer before she got sick. Watch streams.

>>17305500
And I will stop watching them too.

>>17305524
>VShojoCucks act like cucks
Wow color me shocked

>>17305016
lmao, it actually shows how hard the Holo members have to try in order to collaborate with her

>>17305565
why would I watch a washed up singer?

>>17305524
Yeah because you can't see a viewgrifter for what he is.

>>17305222
>Western culture
Anon it's primarily SEAnigs driving the Mori hate

>>17305227
>I am a Vshojo fag
yeah totally dude, you're so convincing

>>17305524
Unlike the holochads who don't take cuckshit kindly, the twitch and vshojofags openly embrace getting cucked. It's the only way those poor fags can get themselves off

>>17305565
but seriously better than Gura?
better than Suisei?
better than Towa?

>>17305057
Does that apply to RL Japanese personalities as well?

>>17305209
I see what you mean and totally get it from your perspective. I suppose I don't have too much of a problem with it because ultimately I have faith in Cover Corp. acting as the auto-corrective mechanism preventing the very thing you fear from happening.

>>17303746
stage 4 or 5

>>17303746
>females join
vtubers have always been women you stupid fuck

>Ironmouse wants to collab with Bae

More Hololive and VShojo collabs, let's gooooooooo!

>>17305689
She absolutely mogs all 3 of them I'm sorry, I like to those three but technically Mouse just crushes them and she has a fucking lung disease

>>17305711
>Does that apply to RL Japanese personalities as well?
Yes but too a lesser extent at least in my subjective viewing simply because its foreign to me. I still dislike it but not as much, it also helps that the type of people those collabs will draw aren't the type of people collabs with western zoomer ecelebs will draw.

Hi yeah, so uhm... I just came here to say ya'll are fucking needy little girls who never got a beaten by a male figure with all this tribalfagging, both companies sees you as the neets you are, you're not Holo nor Vshojo fans, you're gossiping 60 year old grandmas who have nothing better to do.

Thanks for coming to my TEDtalk

>>17303053


>>Eradicate me! Like you did Conners seed! Glubby Glubby Glub.

i hate holocorns, we need a new containment board for them, and i want mori to destroy idol culture as fast as possible so they stop ruining my hobby.
HolostarsEN will accelerate the process in 300% hopefully

>>17305681
>Holochads
Holo and chads are two words that do not belong in the same sentence

>>17305808
lmao

>>17305829
>it also helps that the type of people those collabs will draw aren't the type of people collabs with western zoomer ecelebs will draw.
Ugh I hate that I know what you mean. Good take all around.

>>17305808
why do you falseflag? what do you get from it?
mousey has a great voice but operatic voice and idol voices are in separate categories, and in their respective field all 3 of the holos match mousey's talent. god I fucking hate you niggers.

>>17301954
why does Mouse's model keep degrading? Is it supposed to reflect her irl state?

>>17305662
This just proves my point.
Hololive EN is trying to be JP with westerners(which all of its talents are), but its audience is all the same shitters that watch JP. Thus why most EN talents in Holo are shit, they're trying to imitate how to be Japanese while not being Japanese, no wonder they suck ass.

>>17305808
>how to say you dont watch hololive withput actually saying it

>>17305808
Not sure how comparable wannabe j-pop singers are to a failed opera singer

>>17305839
no shit retard. bitch

>>17305876
i agree with almost all these tweettards and I've been here since before /hlgg/ was a thing.

>>17302175
Nobody in EN are good friends. Nobody. Rest just hides it better.

>>17305913
ok keep being in denial its fine

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9H-RA7kqbk
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCfKEqsajxY

>>17305951
kek

>>17305662
Everyone who actually cares about Hololive (and who cared about it before EN) would have plenty of reasons to dislike Mori and what she stands for and tries to do to.

>>17305876
the way you talk makes me sometimes think you fags are not even fans, just schizos or jealous indies

>>17305876
>>17306039
Kindly kill yourselves

>>17306099
1st clip is shit, 2nd one is pretty good. Doesn't change the fact that she's a failed singer

>>17306162
I'm here to stay. When did you join, by the way?

>>17306150
no shit, it's not like everyone has a flag of their favorite company or vtuber. it's easy to falseflagg

>>17306134
>Mori and what she stands for and tries to do to
ok mr schizo
what's Mori's grand agenda?

>>17305839
no i hate Hololive and want it do shut down. Also Vshojo members like Mouse, Naynners and Vei are more entertaining than all of Hololive. That makes me a VChad

>>17305189
megacope
How many times did susan remove bot subs from council again?

>>17306254
Bringing her shitty VS/TT circle into it, she never liked the thought of being "an idol" and still scoffs at it. She just wants to hang out with her clique.

>>17305876
the homos can collab with the holojp, not sure why people think starsEN will change that

>>17305332
Irys is a roastie, she's worse than Reine

>>17306291
subs aren't live views. Twitch allows bot views in live counts

>>17306226
Watched Sakura Miko on and off from gen 0, watched all of Holo since around gen 1.
I also wish all of you faggots would just fuck off and die.

>>17306337
You think you can't bot views on yt?

>>17305689
towa...

>>17306370
cope, HoloJP will be the next one, half of their fanbases are westeners already, there's no safeplace for you

>>17306426
DELET THIS IT MAKES HOLOLIVE LOOK BAD!!!

>>17306301
I mean, wasn't the purpose of Cover and Hololive expanding and establishing CN, ID and EN branches to reach out and draw in new audiences?

>>17302233
Which one ? Be more specific or i swear in her highness's name i will strike you down.

>>17306466
Literally everyone you watch will be stabbed by some rabid jp once he realizes what you've done.

>>17306426
Susan made it so

>>17306370
the idolnigger fears the well adjusted adult.

>>17306099
I dont understand how can you even compare them. 1 is an opera singer the other one isnt?
whats your point??

>>17303375
Saying nigger and singing scatman made them popular kek

>>17306527
no retard, they did it for the lulz

>>17306527
The purpose was to offer the Hololive experience but in English rather than Japanese. Not to emulate western twitch garbage.

I can't believe how many of you are taking the obvious bait.

>>17306591
lol at thinking you're well-adjusted while watching literal camwhores and pushing culture wars online.

>>17306639
source: voices of my head

>>17306627
Those clips made the rounds well after they were popular, secondary.

>>17306669
You're an idiot.

>>17305808
>Falsefaggot never heard Moonas karaoke
Stfu

>>17304099
One's a black company and the other has Pippa, no thanks.

>>17306639
which is precisely what they've done, male collabs and immature jokes included. have you never watched holoJP?

>>17306370
>>17306370
Been watching since Aqua speedran DS1 and have hated idolfags ever since, I hope you all disappear soon

>>17306639
I see...so they decided the best way to reimagine the Hololive experience was to hire...

- a wigga rapper
- a recovering alcoholic memer
- a twitch girl gamer
- a german numberfag
- a korean

>>17306748
nobody has heard that

>>17306770
>which is precisely what they've done
For the most part. Mori was a mistake, she doesn't even want to be an actual holo.

>>17302704
That what make HoloJP good in the first place. Even tho they are actor reading from a scrip, they are GOOD actor. Never one they show that they don't want to do it or be unprofessional about it....unlike this lean drinking bait biting dork over here.

>>17306639
If Hololive ever thinks that they will get more success by going full twitch culture, they will drop you like a sack of garbage.

>>17306790
true. the korean was kind of a weird choice

>>17306668
>Idolfag hands typed this post
There's a reason Nijisanji, Vshojo, and indie fanbases all look at Hololive fanbases as being comprised of mentally-ill purityfags who go full nigger chimpouts the moment their oshi acknowledges a male's existence

>>17306099
how do you. even compare them??
Sora was able to this with barely any practice and she is an above average singer when it comes to Hololive
https://youtu.be/Z_QaHqLYcAU
Just imagine how good she will be with practice
And how the fuck do you compare a J Pop singer with an Opera Singer?

>>17306639
You can't offer the hololive experience in English rather than Japanese, because English native speakers aren't Japanese and will never be able to offer the same experience. Even the best dubbed anime is not going to have the same wording or 'feel' of the subbed version.

It's no wonder HoloEN's quality is subpart when they're trying to make Non-Japs act like japs.

>>17303003
They're single moms?

>>17303062
>>17303085
Those cuck just show that Mori didn't belong in Hololive at all. Graduated and new Avatar when ?

>>17306778
>rejecting westernization is idolfagging
Aqua wouldn't even remain as a vtuber if was westernized like you want you massively fake faggot.

>>17306639
That experience stopped being exclusive to Hololive a long time ago. Now if you want girls only, seiso and zero male collabs you have both EN and JP options.

>>17306916
>It's no wonder HoloEN's quality is subpart when they're trying to make Non-Japs act like japs.

This right here, is exactly why Umisea was a steaming sack of shit.

>>17303339
Because she in Vshojo, retard, and Vshojo are not Hololive. If you want it that much i suggest sending akasupa to Mori tell her to graduated form Hololive and join Vshojo instead. Thanks

>>17306886
Meanwhile Nijis are known among actual fans for their many, many mentally-ill antis among jps.
You'd know about that if you had followed them for any time at all.
But you don't, being yet another /trash/ attracted offsite faggot who doesn't belong here.

>>17306934
>They're single moms?
thats rrat

>>17306729
>He calls me the secondary.

>>17306964
Oh yeah because it's definitely not the stupid fucking japanese idolfags who bully her all the time huh, idolfags are toxic to the talents they pretend loving by pure egotism

>>17307060
Miko's boat clip made the rounds nearly 9 months before she even streamed GTA.
Total secondary.

>>17303531
Nice bait, thanks for the threads bump

>>17306858
And? I'd leave voluntarily/go back to JP only.

>>17303746
stage 2 was holo's initial explosion in popularity in late 2019/early2020
stage 3 is Taiwan yab
stage 4 is appearance of the first EN generation
stage 5 is first anituber collab
stage 6 is where we are right now

>>17307054
>he don kno

>>17303746
We are at 6 now, but it only apply for EN branch, the JP and to the extend ID branch are pretty much still at 2 or 3

>>17303746
depends on what you chuubas you like, holoJP is still fine

>>17303830
Vsjojo are batter than Hololive. Vshojo are not.

I'm so glad japanese people is and remains the core market for all of Hololive and they want 2D, they want straddling-the-idol-line, they want cute girls acting feminine.
Nothing you say or do can ever change that fact.

As the kids say, touch grass.

>>17303746
JP is fine, EOPs are the invaders since a lot of them got a narrow minded view of what vtubers are and don't know much of the history outside of Ai.

>>17307390

IranMoss is my favourite from Vsjojo.

>curb stomp you
Damn Cali chill.

>>17303062
Just can't stand idol being more popular than twitch whores aren't you?

>>17307393
Western women aren't traditionally feminine by en large, not to the same degree of Japanese women. By forcing them to act out a 1970's version of what western feminitity was like in the West you deny them of showing the cute sides of actual modern feminity, which is NijiEN girls are cuter than Hololive girls.

And inbefore you incels say modern feminity is SJW bullshit, go touch grass, not every female out there who isn't from 1970 is a raging radical feminist.

>>17304564
This, it's not that the talents are doing anything offensive to me on a personal level. They cultivate a certain type of audience and play to it appropriately. I simply don't want that audience to mix with the audience of chuubas I enjoy, because there's a fundamental in the behaviors of audiences from different circles. It's like a cultural poison that amplifies the worst parts of both sides. Vshitters can do whatever they want as long as they maintain they damn distance.

>>17301954
They seem slightly less awkward than in their last collab from what I remember but they both seem kind of fake and there's a ton of filler with no substance in their conversation, pretty meh stuff.

>>17307393
That is not even the character of the Japanese Hololive girls.

>>17307548
lol don't bring numberfagging into this, it's never going to look good for you

mori actually ACTIVELY hates her genmates. she'd throw em under a bus if she thought itd get her more dick

>>17306338
not really offended as i also like Reine

>>17307592
based, NijiEN does what HoloEN wanted to do 100% better

>>17304516
So no collabs with EN Vtubers outside of hololive at least those on twitch.

>>17307639
Stop being a retard.
She neither loves them nor hates them.
She likes them, as coworkers. They aren't friends(Bar maybe Kiara) and they will never be, but that doesn't mean she actively hates them.

Touch grass, plz.

>>17301954
I came into the thread expecting some cheeky banter but you guys are pathetic
That's all
Smash like and subscribe for more hot takes

>>17305222
>This is why Nijien is way better, because it actually plays to the strenghts of Western culture
Western culture is not about faggots, no matter how much americans try to force it. NijiEN is unwatchable since Luxiem. It would've been fine if they were their own thing to satisfy the fujo and gay audience, but since they are one and the same with the girls (who built the branch by themselves and clawed their way out of a hole, only to be redelegated to second class decorations for the guys) to me NijiEN is just "the company you watch if you're homosexual." That's so obviously its main focus and purpose I can't see how it could be denied, and the girls collab with these dudes and so I as a guy have no reason whatsoever to watch them.

Hololive and its idols ARE the alternative. THEY are the counterculture, THEY are unique. And it's a shame that Cover itself fails to grasp this. We crave the illusion of pure idols and anything other than that is just a step in the wrong direction, a generic, soulless and cowardly direction.

>>17305808
>falseflagging Nijitard
everytime

>>17307155
Correct. The vast majority of shit she gets are from zhangs and people complaining about Apex.

>>17303339
>we
Twitch faggots get off this board, if you hate holo so much why let them collab in the first place?

>>17307277
thats definitely bait. I am neither a Mori fan. nor a Mousey fan but that has to be a bait

>>17307911
Mori is always pregnant, and well, the mouse...

>>17307155
Correct it's not. The vast majority of shit she gets are from zhangs and NND fags with some Apex whining sprinkled in.
If you had your way she would just stop streaming since she herself is a huge idolfag.
Course you'd know all about that being her "fan", right?

>>17304338
Ame turn 180° around and become super timid super seiso when collab with JP, but still she at least try her damn best and that make those collab feel less awkward but somewhat kino. For EN branch collab she usually just be herself. Not on Kiara level but she know when and where to take the lead, just look at those 3d chibi even we get form her.

>>17307959
>>>17307911 (You)
what about the Mouse?

>>17306916
i think the experience can still be enjoyable. having it change to cater towards a western audience just reminds me of the comic book industry saying manga needs to adapt to american tastes despite manga being more successful in america than comic books

we already have vshojo for people that want twitch streamers but vtubers, hololive can get plenty of success just staying on brand as well as they can and offering something different from most indies.

>>17307765
If you unironically think NijiEN is about the gayz then you're just a retard, pure and simple.

Mysta and Vox are the only ones who even Fujo bait to literally any amount and even then it's barely noticeable unless you're an autistic retard who gets triggered at the mere suggestion of the gayz.

Touch grass.

>>17307592
>the cute sides of actual modern feminity
Ah yes, going on about how many cocks they've sucked on twitch.
Truly peak modern woman.

All I see is wannabe vtubers who don't want to be compared to something genuinely better.

>>17307860
Because we're not all retards and we'd rather see the talents we like do things they enjoy with who they enjoy it with rather than try to force them into things for our own selfish delusions

>>17304696
>Niji collabs I am ok with
>only things i like
>ok collabing with people who asked if you practice by sucking cocks

>if you dont want actual whores as vtubers
>if you dont want vtubers collab with cringe comedians
>If you oppose unethical restrictions on employees
>if you dont want vtubers play all the same retarded mandatory games
>if you dont want forced cringe collabs

Fuck JP.

>>17307765
I can't even tell if this post is serious or not at this point

>>17307911
it's not for mouse though she wasn't always a bubble gurl.

>>17307765
>clawed their way out of a hole.
The small EN startups are the ones doing this, not the ones that debuted under a known vtuber brand name. All of NijiEN is over 100K, none of the EN startups (the ones that actually came from nothing) come close.

>>17307737
The only good post in this thread.

> 'It's not me that is wrong, its all the faggots I'm arguing with! ...And the company I claim to love! ...And some of the talents that are employed by the company! ...And maybe even some of the other talents who actually hate the idol culture but don't speak out about it but also don't play into it! They are all wrong!!!'

>>17308134
>>If you oppose unethical restrictions on employees
Ah yes, the unethical restriction of "don't actively sabotage everything".
Fucking americans.

>Finally a collab
>It's fucking Shadowverse

>>17307765
> 'It's not me that is wrong, its all the faggots I'm arguing with! ...And the company I claim to love! ...And some of the talents that are employed by the company! ...And maybe even some of the other talents who actually hate the idol culture but don't speak out about it but also don't play into it! They are all wrong!!!'

>>17308158
what makes you say that, is she actually pregnant?
wtf am i learning rn

>>17308182
Reminder that Cover will never let you faggots get anywhere close to the real talent, many of whom are bigger idolfags than the fans. :^)

>>17307765
>Hololive and its idols ARE the alternative. THEY are the counterculture, THEY are unique.
Kawaii, Phase, Cyberlive and Prism follow the Hololive model rather than the Niji model actually. Especially Kawaii that are basically GFE max.

You could be working out for your Oshi right now instead of arguing online about Vtubers

>>17304809
Unfortunately the drama drawn in too many tourists and they are shitting up the place

>>17308005
The problem here is that Cover is doing the equivalent of giving an American a pen and telling them to draw manga.

An American just won't be able to do it nearly as well as a Japanese person who was raised in the culture can. Same thing with Vtubing, no westerner can capture the JP magic cause they aint a jap.

You're better of just giving them the general concept of a Vtuber and telling them to run with it in a western spin.

>>17308328
No one but Mori seems to be having huge issues with not trying to bring in twitch troons.

>>17308054
No one is forcing you to watch Veibei, retard. Pretending like every western woman on the planet acts like her is something only a retard that hasn't seen a vagina in thirty years can say.

>>17303339
"oshi" is a sexual term now? Kek all it means is that you faggots don't support her.

the posts are getting longer and gayer... all according to kekw

can't wait to observe the absolute meltdown of this place when Mori inevitably collabs with Vox.

>>17305722
The Holos are the cards in this analogy. The females are vtweeters.

>>17308436
Then don't try fucking forcing your trashy anti-aesthetics on the one company that doesn't want anything to do with them.
You have a million of other options to choose from without ruining ours.

>>17308478
>NijiEN collab
That's not happening unless Omega is sacked

So many triggered cuckbeats on full damage control, I love it!

>>17308420
Mori didn't do any of this shit. She just defended a friend of hers in a retarded way and this board overreacted autistically, like it does to everything.

Mori is probably the one my whole shit applies most to. She's a shit talent because she's the antithesis of Japanese feminity and can't do jackshit she wants because of retarded 'you must act like a culture you are not' fixation you people have.

HoloJp already exists.Why do you people want HoloEN to be the same? Stop being lazy fucks and learn Japenese if you hate the west so much you can't stand how real people in it are.

>>17301954
And yet I still don't like Mori. Curious!

>>17308568
Then holo fans like you need to stop complaining about how all your talents are shit. You're forcing them to be shit, so no surprise there.

>>17308420
Have you thought about the possibility that maybe Hololive wants her to bring in twitch viewers, as seen by allowing these collabs and going on talk shows?

>>17308568
>'ours'

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was chatting and shitposting with Cover Corp's board of directors and shareholders.

>>17307592
>Feminity is a social construct
Just stop, you are pathetic.

>>17308661
Yeah it's not like she insists on collabing with these tools who have an outspoken loathing for HoloJP (TT) and Vshojo who is filled with the antithesis of what Holo is about and can't just be happy hanging with them off-stream.
She's the only EN looking to do so as well. If she wants she can always drop hololive and go hang with her twitch buddies if that's her preference, assuming they'd even want to associate with her if she doesn't have the hololive label to leech from anymore.

>>17308661
>being real
That's american for being a shit-tier person isn't it.

>>17308783
I'm sorry but facts don't give a single fuck about your opinions.

Feminity is a social construct. There's no physical laws that declare that 'dresses are for girls' and 'suits are for boys', these are just laws our society created.

>>17301954
Meh, I don't know anything about the mouse to hate her. But as usual the preparation and enthusiasm that mori shows towards hololive is about half of what she puts in these collabs with her "friends"

>>17308752
>>17308762
>>17308773
Don't you have some twitter drama to stir up instead of shitting up our board?

>>17304135
It is. Because atleast they're entertaining enough to not bore me with said games. Totally the opposite of the chuubas you watch since the game needs to be entertaining for you to watch it. kek

>>17308833
To be fair, Kiara wanted to collab with VShojo prior to Calli but the fucking unicorn purists screeched to heavens until a fucking German backed down from a fight.

A German. Backing down from a fight.

>>17308899
>Feminity is a social construct.
So is the notion that I shouldn't cave your skull in for wasting everyone's time with your inane faggotry with pointed callouts of terms yet saying nothing.
So at least in your case social constructs are good. If you are this much of a faggot all the time they have surely saved your life on the regular.

>>17308217
Every company ever cares only about numbers going up, Schizos being mad is a sacrifice noone cares about really.

>>17308930
Last I checked this isn't /holo/, fans of other vtuber companies have just as much say here. Feel free to splinter the boards again if you want your hivemind.

>>17308877
Nice try, but European.
If you think people like Rosemi are 'shit tier people' then I don't know what to tell you other than that you need to get a life and touch grass.

I don't like Veibei either, but your idea that 'allow westerners to be westerners' will lead us to all of HoloEN as Veibei rip offs is mega retarded.

Stop hating your own culture and touch some grass.

>>17308982
Which just goes to show that even Kiara is more self-aware about who actually pays her bills than Mori is.

>>17308958
lol you're looking at it completely wrong, imagine how much more entertaining your favorite holo could be if they could actually play games or do things they like or take a shit without having to ask management and waiting 3 weeks for a reply

>>17309075
Yeah that's why Cover sacrificed the entire Chinese market.
Because numbers are the only thing that matter.

Americans truly are all retarded. And not all of them cute retarded like Gura.

>Ironmouse collab with Rosemi
>Ironmouse collab with Vox
>Ironmouse collab with Mori

She breaks all the boundaries doesn't she? It also means Mori and Vox just collabbed indirectly

>>17308328
My dude vtubing is not bushido, Mori is the only retard among the ens that's trying to be contrarian bitch about it.

>>17309027
What pointed callout terms, retard? The one who brought up 'feminity is a social construct' was the other retard who unironically thinks feminitity is the same in the West and Japan, which I can only assume he thinks because of his lack of eyes or a brain.

The notion that you shouldn't cave my head in is also evolutionary, murdering other humans for inane reasons is generally a detriment to the species's survival. If you're going to be a pedant and attack me at least do it right, retard.

>>17309177
> And not all of them cute retarded like Gura.
Let's be fair here this could be the best thing most of us could achieve

>>17301954
Did it do well? How were the numbers?
And why are everyone streaming at these hours?

Hey, a tourist magnet thread nice

>>17308661
>why do people want hololive english to be just hololive jp but in english?
is that your question you absolute mongoloid?

>>17309243
Nigga this board is always filled with shit about how half of EN's talents are shit. Which while a majority are shit posts I'm just giving one reason why the majority of them feel like corporate dolls instead of real people, because real western people don't act Japanese.

>>17309243
>tripfag thinks his opinion matters

>>17309081
The same kind of people who claim to "being real" are the ones walking around in tanktops with the text "if you don't deserve me at my worst" on it.
My culture is thankfully not american nor will it ever be. I belong to the genuine west, which has always had an appreciation for japanese culture and not some twisted mutt desire to subvert, twist and hollow it out to wear it's skin like a bodysuit.

>>17309324
No, that was lead up to tell you to stop being lazy fucks and go learn Japanese if you want to have the HoloJP experience, instead of expecting Austrians and Texans to give you the JP experience.

>>17309324
You will never be Japanese

>>17309326
>why the majority of them feel like corporate dolls instead of real people
good, cause they're VTUBER IDOLS
wanna be "real"? you get into other company or go stream on your own (as a lot of jps do).

>>17309369
Congratulations, you've discovered the average idiot is a retard. Welcome to all of human history.

Retards that pretend like the average person 50 years ago was better are stupid.

No, Humans are just retarded.

>>17309505
Then stop complaining that they're shit tier entertainers, retard.

You people can't have your cake and eat it too.

>>17309419
Hololive IS a japanese experience, if you're not willing to give a japanese experience THEN GRADUATE.

>>17309369
We appreciate Japan, we appreciate them opening their fucking doors to allow us to fucking trade those isolationist pricks.

>>17308921
Kill yourself tripnigger

>>17308783
anon is objectively correct though, you're getting mad only because theyre using a few buzzwords

>>17309616
>Then stop complaining that they're shit tier entertainers, retard.
I don't even know what you're fuking arguing about anymore

>>17309624
An Austrian will never be Japanese. A Texan will never be Japanese.

If HoloEN's goal was a Japanese Idol experience from the start then it was doomed from the beggining.

Kiara and caliope will never be Japanese. They will never act Japanese, they can't because their most defining moments as human beings were in the west, which is not Japan.

The only way you get HoloEN with a JP experience is with Japanese people fluent in English. And good luck finding enough Japanese people for that.

>>17308921
>>17309243
>>17309324
>>17309505
>>17309624
This is the average Mori anti folks. A tr*pfag.

>>17309177
The difference is that you are tiny minority, not the case with China. No company will ever back 4chan, let a lone only a fraction of a fraction of a fraction. You seem to not grasp how insignificant people like you are.

Literal chinese companies backed out of working with Cover because of chinese, nothing you ever do will result in that. And the reason your schizoid movement wont ever amount of anything, because we police ourselves and will be beaten bloody the moment you show your face (proverbially). Youre the one who comes to shit here cuz youre afraid to lose your social score.

>>17309779
I didn't even know that we had freaks like that here.

>>17309505
>you get into other company
make me autist. Nobody asked your opinion.

>>17309746
>If HoloEN's goal was a Japanese Idol experience from the start then it was doomed from the beggining.
Yes, because all other talents are pulling the same shit mori is doing, retard.

>>17309727
This whole argument started as a response to "Why is Cali so stilted and shit", to which I gave the answer that a lot of the EN talents are stilted and shit because they're being made to act in a cultura zeitgeist they're mostly unfamiliar with outside of the most superficial level.

>>17309746
Reminder that Calli, despite being one of the less popular ENs, have more subscribers than all of NijiEN and vshojo combined.
>b-but they have to change or they're not living up to my headcanon!

>>17309924
You're pretending like this board doesn't shit on every other talent constantly. It does. This month's turn to be shat on is Mori's, next month's will be Kiara again.

You people will never be satisfied because what you want was impossible from the start.

>>17309991
>Reminder that Calli, despite being one of the less popular ENs

Bruh, she’s 2nd in Hololive in subs.

>>17309782
It's funny how you imagine the japanese, the actual main audience for Cover, would be on your side.
Kson didn't even want to touch the TT comments about 3D vs 2D with a ten feet pole during her collab and those were a million times milder than what you want.

>>17310012
Kiara will never, ever disrespect her fans, she'd graduate before doing that.

>>17305565
Mousey is sick? Hope she dies, I’ll piss on her grave

>>17310012
>You people will never be satisfied because what you want was impossible from the start
NOOOOOOOOOOOOooo i dont want to acknowledge reality

>>17310129
3rd

>>17310179
What part of '4chan is autistically overreacting to a nothinburg' didn't you understand?

Mori didn't shit on anyone. She just had a retarded childish reaction to retarded childish hate.

>>17310227
who do you think is 2nd?

>>17310227
Oh yeah?

>>17309991
>have more subscribers than all of NijiEN and vshojo combined.

do your math again

>>17309991
I know holobronies are not the brightest bunch but anon just do some basic math

>>17309177
Wrong because if Hololive loves number then they must choose China more than Coco.

>>17306301
she's not really part of said cliques.

Schizos don't even have to make up shit to accuse Cali of not caring about Hololive, her constantly wanting to do stuff away from Hololive and seeming to be even happier when she does just proves it.

>>17301954
Get that whore away from my pure Mousey.

>>17309177
>cute retarded like Gura
where do you retards come from?

>>17309324
hang yourself with a belt tripfag

>>17301954
Why these stupid vshojo bitches always getting these new avatars that look nothing like their original ones?