/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>164326
always has been

>>164326
I understood pizza ear perfectly

Do you know the no one?

australiur

>>164364
Away!

No, it was Haachama

Aah the pepeloni, pepeloni. You know the pepeloni? The no one? I always- I always order the domino, domino pepeloni; and without pepeloni. I always order the pepeloni and without pepeloni. Pepeloni! I like pepeloni. I always- I always order the cheese-cheese pan. How can I explain? I can explain by my drawing. I always, order like the cheese pan that it has cheese on here, this part, the ear. Ear of pizza. And then I order, when I order pepeloni the ear, it always have the pepeloni on the top. But I pick up this, Away! Because I don't eat it!

>>164772
Did she explain by her drawing?
I never seen the "drawing" posted anywhere.

>>164812

Imagine spending years of your life in an English speaking country and being too autistic and hikki to actually learn to speak the language, instead preferring the company of your pretend internet boyfriends.

I got pizza ear but not the pepeloni without pepeloni part. Does she actually like pepeloni or not? I guess she orders pizza with it but then throws it away but why would she do that if you can just buy pizza without toppings?

>>164890

>>164893
yes
it's been years since I started watching anime and I still know jack shit about japanese language

>>164929
IIRC dominos in australia has cheesy crust but only for pepperoni pizzas

>>165008
wtf why only for pepperoni pizzas, in my country its for any pizza

>>164929
>Pepeloni! I like pepeloni.
she likes it but doesn't eat it!

>>164326
Why didn't she just order a cheese pizza?

>>165041
It could be that you can just ask for any pizza to have cheesy crust but hachama's english is as bad as her cooking so she just goes with the menu option thats already there

>>165082
Peppeloni leaves a taste after it's away

>>164962
That's not the same.
Imagine LIVING in Japan for years and still being at the level where putting together a proper sentence is a struggle.
You'd have to be retarded or completely shut yourself out from society for that to happen.

>>165212
Yeah but why not eat the peppeloni with the pizza?

>>165269
Away!

>>165210
In my slav country it asks what size and what crust you want when you order it online, is that not the norm for dominos?

>>165008
If that's true, then it all makes sense now. I thought she was mega retarded and bought pepperoni pizza only to take off all the toppings.

Reminder that even Haachama's Japanese is kind of bad and the other girls, even Coco, make fun of her for that. It's possible that she's kind of dumb.

>>165242
Or be Calliope Mori

peppeloni away

>>165242
Even that's slightly more understandable because Japanese people all want to practice English and will try to talk to you in English whenever possible. People in Anglo countries never try to speak anything else, so if you're ESL and living in one you have no choice but to learn English or be a total shut-in.

I love this retard

>>165452
>People in Anglo countries never try to speak anything else
Why would they, english is most used language

>>165622
>not knowing any other language
do Americans really?

>>165622
Not suggesting otherwise, just saying for that reason it's even harder than usual to not learn the local language while living in an Anglo country.

>>165660
I'm an ESL and 95% of internet content I consume is in english

>>165728
fair enough, my b

>>165728
imagine being both ESL and EOP

>>165775
uhhhhhhhh

>>164326
No, it's genius.

>>165775
>imagine
Don't have to.

>>165858
>the no one?
what did she mean by this?

>>165858
Does she think peperoni is both the name of the stuffed crust pizza and the meat? It sounds like she's talking about two things called peperoni at once.

>>166058
i think she doesn't even refer to the meat as "peperoni"
she said "But I pick up this, Away!" to me that sounds like she doesn't know that "this" is the peperoni part

Why does everyone think her english is so bad? I can understand it. She speaks better english than 99% of Japanese. Maybe you guys are ESL?

>>165928
>>166058
I think she meant to say "the new one," like a new special pizza with pepperoni and a cheesy crust.

>>166211
i'm esl and i don't think her english is that bad
it's certainly better than my japanese
she usually manages to get her point across and honestly that's the whole point of "language" so i'd say she's good enough

>>166211
The part that is baffling is she says she orders a peperoni pizza but takes off the peperoni before eating.

>>165928
>>166058
I think she meant "the one with no pepperoni".

>>166381
>I think she meant "the one with no pepperoni".
but there is not such thing, since she orders normal pepeloni and just takes the pepeloni off herself
>>166220
this makes sense, I thought she meant something like "you know the one?", but I think your version sound more plausable

>>164326
maybe in Australia pizza with pepeloni is cheaper than pizza without pepeloni so she orders the pepeloni pizza and then takes it away

>>166918
Both the cheese and pepeloni at dominos are $5 here so that's not it

>>166918
That's never the case, it's probably that she likes the flavor and extra grease a pepperoni pizza has but for some reason doesn't want to eat the pepperoni itself. It does taste different than a cheese pizza even if you take them off.

>>167059
did she ever do a follow up on this?
the pepeloni grease can't be worth paying extra
there had to have been some logical thought process behind her story

>>167150
>Haachama
>there had to have been some logical thought process
lol

>>167150
It's probably cause she has to share the pizza with whoever lives with her but she doesn't like peperoni so she takes it off.

>>167206
she might be borderline retarded but most of her stories are coherent in some way

>>167231
But she says she likes pepperoni and always orders it that way.

I think she's a rich ditzy girl irl. Whatever the equivalent of a dumb blonde is in Japan. Also hope we don't get another week long drought seeing as she cancelled her earlier stream.

>>167287
crazy how much less she's streaming ever since she returned to nipland

>>167287
If she was rich, why would you go to school in Australia?

>>167382
I just know she's been scolded a few times by her sister for streaming and being too loud. I wonder if that has anything to do with it. She's more aware of her surroundings.
>>167421
She was the problem child and got shipped there while her big sis went to Britain. And I thought Aus is pretty common since it's the closest English speaking country to Japan?

>>165858
I will give 1000 (You) to the person who fixes the t

>>167455
Possibly so. I just figured it they were in big money and wanted their child to go off to a foreign school, it'd be Britain (regardless of the distance). Could just be my ignorance of Australia, but I don't recall them having any outstanding universities, at least to the point they wouldn't just attend a school in Japan.

>>167572
For what it's worth she's got family in Aus, may have been a deciding factor.

It's she only retarded when she speaks English or is she retarded in japanese too?

>>167733
Both.

>>167572
>but I don't recall them having any outstanding universities
She was in highschool

i am so glad haachama and pecor and agua found a home in hololive
i dont think they can function in a normal workplace

>>165728
English is not my native language, yet I too just use it online 99%. I still tried learning Russian, even though I dont need it for anything. Just because I am not a fucking dumb ignorant cunt.

>>168005
haachama only pretends to be retarded though
I hope

>>168099
Why not learn japanese? Seeing how your in /vt/ you would probably use it more than russian.

>>168120
Her growing up on Happy Tree Friends has to be the root cause of all of this.

>>164364
Was she saying "the new one"?

>>168133
I gave it a look and learned some words here and there. But that language is beyond fucked up. I dont understand how the japs are able to tie their shoes seeing how dumb their written language is. Do you know about their retardation?

>>168229
>Do you know about their retardation?
The only retardation about japanese I know is that it isn't based on an alphabet and instead every word is seperate character.

>>168272
half true
one of their 3 alphabets is retarded
the one they borrowed from chinese (go figure)
more than 5000 separate characters the pronunciation of which depend entirely on context and can carry the meaning of half sentences

>>168149
>growing up on Happy Tree Friends
I know people like this and it explains a lot

>>168272
Every sound is a separate character, which is why they struggle with words that don't end in a vowel or n.

>>168229
>that language is beyond fucked up
Oh, hey, that's almost word for word what I thought trying to learn spoken Mandarin. Tone blows.

>>168348
Kanji is like a really archaic version of people who overuse emojis in text messages.

>>168348
Learning that shit doesn't sound viable unless your a kid.

>>168397
well there it fucking is. the most apt description of kanji i've ever fucking seen. good job.

>>168416
yes it's beyond retarded

>>168348
having two alphabets for the same sounds is retarded as well

>>168443
what

>>168450
the other two alphabets in japanese are hiragana and katakana
they are two alphabets for the exact same sounds
but hiragana is used for natively japanese words and katakana is used for words that are used in japanese but are not natively japanese
for example if you were to write your name in japanese you'd have to write it in katakana (unless you have a japanese name)

>>168397
It's sort of like ancient Egyptian glyphs; originally kanji were visual representations of the words they meant, and you can still see a lot of those inspirations in the modern versions. The kanji for "forest" is essentially three copies of the one for tree, the ones for fields, rivers, and mountains vaguely look like those things, etc.

>>168149
me too

>>168272
Oh if only. So let me paint you a picture. You are medieval Jap retard and you dont ever write anything down, because writing is for nerds or something. But then you realize that maybe writing shit down might be a good idea. But making your own written language is too ahrd, so you literally steal chinese.

Thats the Kanji. The one where you have to learn about 2k words to even function. It literally means "Chinese characters". Alright, so far so good, but that was made for chinese language, not japanese and it has some problems.

Alright, time to fix this mess. Lets create a simpler, better alphabet. Instead of having a character for every word, you split it up by blocks. You know, like letters. But not by letters, because you are retarded, so you split it by bigrams. Okay, cool, but thats too many characters, so lets optimize. Lets just create those we need for our language. Thats hiragana. Its also the reason why japanese are so horrible at speaking english. They literally do not have "t". So they substitute it with "to" Thats where "noto thisu shitto again" comes from.

Okay, so our new language is absolute dogshit at adopting foreign words, but we like foreign words. Lets create a new alphabet that we will use exclusively to write down foreign language. Of course we will optimize it so it is well suited at that task, sounds good. No. Lets just literally copy the one we made earlier, but make it more edge with direct translation one to one for each character between them. Thats Katakana.

Alright, we are retarded, but we have both katakana and hiragana, so we can stop using that chinese shit, right? Well, actually, we cant. Because we created words that are written the same in both katakana and hiragana, but not in kanji. So we kinda need kanji to know what the fuck is written there.

And so they write with 3 different alphabets. At the same time. Its very common to see a sentence that has Kanji, katakana and hiragana characters at once. Pretty stupid, right. But not yet. Writing that on PC is fucking hard. So how about we make one more alphabet. Its called romaji and its literally western alphabet. Now we just need a good program that will take romanji input and transform it into mixture of Kanji, Katakana and Hiragana. Thats why you see words appearing from nothing when they type. They type it into that input program and it outputs mixture of those three languages. Also, when you make typo, its all fucked and you have to type everything again.

Thanks for attending my tedtalk.

I’m confused does she pretend to be retarded or is she actually retarded? I thought pre-hachaama she was pretty normal right?

>>168149
>>168547
theme song still gives me the chills
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43miJHKYD4Y

>>168558
>I’m confused does she pretend to be retarded or is she actually retarded?
both
she started chuubing at around 16-17
this is her teenage phase

>>168490
Katakana is also the older alphabet of the two, as far as I know. I do not understand at all.

>>168550
>Also, when you make typo, its all fucked and you have to type everything again.
do they really?

>>168490
wasn't katakana actually just latin alphabet but in japanese or am I thinking of something else

>>168625
AFAIK yes. The program already took your input and made it into that Kanji, Katakana and Hirogana mess. But if you fucked your input, you will never get the right output of those 3. So you have to erase it and start again.

>>168639
No, it's used for gaijin loanwords and names but represents the same sounds as hiragana

>>168550
You forgot:
Since we are not Chinese and Kanji is not our alphabet even we cannot be fucking bothered to learn all of these retarded characters we adopted voluntarily. Enter: furigana.
Let's just put all the hiragana on top of the written kanji so we stand a fighting chance of knowing how to pronounce words in our own fucking language.

>>168678
christ

>>168639
Thats romanji.

>>168625
>>168671
If you want to know more, see this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3ZuELh7rhI
The guy explain it pretty well.

>>168550
God, learning how to type in jap is one the worst experiences I had, Imanige trying something complex like writing a thesis or a bigass post like yours when you keep making mistakes and having to erase a whole phrase 3 times in a row. Fuck I'm mad just remembering that

>>168550
Japan is what happens when you min-max Int at the cost of Wis.

At least I learned from all that that crust of the pizza in Japan is actually called the "ear"

>>168694
Holy shit. I had no idea that even existed. Based jap retard.

>>168678
but why

>>168694
Furigana is a godsend and fuck anyone who makes fun of it. I'm not gonna force myself to lear 3k characters that not even the native japs use.

>>164326
I used to pick off pepeloni and eat it separately before the rest of the pizza, but I can't understand just getting rid of it after you order pepeloni pizza

>>168744
They needed to keep Hirogana pure from dirty gaijin words. Or something just as retarded. I dont know, I made that up.

>>165301
it's the norm for like any pizza place anywhere

>>168754
obviously furigana is fucking great but the very concept of it having to exist is fucking insane to me. why the fuck did this great idea of "vtubers" have to come from a country with such a dumb fucking language. if it was based in russia or poland or what the fuck ever learning the language might actually be fucking feasible but japanese? fuck japanese.

>>168550
>we kinda need kanji to know what the fuck is written there.
I don't get why they can't just grasp the meaning from context when english and lots of other languages have homonyms

>>165660
american here
it really depends on where you grew up. some public schools are really good about teaching language and some don't give a shit. In my area for example, high schoolers know at least 2 languages well enough to interact online.

>>167467
Do it
I feast on the (You)s

>>168820
>context
holy shit don't get me started on japanese and context.
ever wonder why all the japanese online translators are unmitigated dogshit?
that's because japanese grammar is entirely context based. there are sentences you read and have no fucking clue what the fuck they are supposed to be about until you read the very last particle of the last word.
GOD IT'S SO DUMB

>>168808
Honestly it makes pretty good sense compared to Chinese or really any other east Asian language. The only dumb part is the kanji, but if you just ignore that the grammar, vocab, and pronunciation are pretty easy to learn and are mostly intuitive. Obviously it's harder to learn than any European language (assuming your first is one), but could be worse.

>>168698
I cant believe a whole nation actually types like that

>>168704
sounds fun ngl

>>168820
Well, seeing that literally ever step in the evolution of their written language was possible always the dumbest of all the possibilities, my guess is they are too retarded to do so.

I mean fuck, If I hired you to make written language more retarded than japanese, you would have to put in fuckload of work to even begin to come close.

>>168906
Wasnt there a tweet from Botan this year that was translated something like this
>I won a PS5 console...
Well everything thought she won a PS5 console. But little did we know that Japanese retards put negation at the very end of the sentences. So saying "I won a PS5 console..." can be finished as "I won a PS5 console not". Am I close?

>>168969
Its staggering. How do these people function, let alone come up with all those cool stuff like vtubers?

>>168969
they do but often the typos aren't SO bad because they don't have to type out the actual sentence. When they type, they can confirm converting individual chunks of hiragana into the kanji or katakana. They don't have to do the entire sentence at once. It's still retarded but not as bad.

>>164929
She likes cheesy crust pizza but Dominos AUS only does it for peperoni pizzas, and she doesn't like peperoni.

>>168915
i'm sure it's miles easier than mandarin since that's a tonal language and therefore a fucking nightmare not to mention the complete reliance on kanji.
still i would've preferred an alternative reality where this concept started in france or something

when is her next lewd art stream?

>>165082
Because she can't get a stuffed crust cheese pizza, which is why she needed to get "pepeloni".

>>168906
Well ateast with AI now online translators should be able to differentiate based on context, google just sucks if it can't even correctly interpret particles which are a fundamental part of the language.

>>165347
>"kind of dumb"
>was literally on the verge of being held back

I have a theory on she meant by "cheese pan." You would think she meant "cheese pan pizza" since that is something you can buy from dominos. But then she talks about the "ear" of the pizza. Which leads me to think she is trying to say "cheese crust" but doesn't know the word crust, hence "ear of pizza", so she substitutes "pan" since it's bread in Japanese. This is something I haven't seen brought up before, as subtitles clips and various images write "pan" based on what she says without providing the context that she could have been trying to say crust.

>>169064
explain the "I like the pepeloni" line

>>169272
Thats the name of the pizza. Its pepeloni pizza. She likes the cheese crust that is on pepeloni pizza. She then picks out the pepeloni, because she doesnt like pepeloni.

>>169030
>negation at the very end of the sentences
you are correct
>これわぺんでわない
>literally: As for this, this is a pen not.

>>169030
>I mean fuck, If I hired you to make written language more retarded than japanese, you would have to put in fuckload of work to even begin to come close.
My first thought was making words emojis but I guess that would be unironically better

>>169272
Her brain was operating at too high a capacity to think about what she was saying, so she said "I like pepeloni" as a filler phrase while she came up with a way to explain the rest of her thought

All I can think of is that she isn't aware that margherita exists and she thinks that a peperoni pizza minus the peperoni should still be called a peperoni pizza. Ergo, she likes peperoni pizza, but doesn't like peperoni

>>169314
Oh yeah, another thing. Where the fuck are the spaces? How do they know where words begin and ends? I also think there is something retarded about their weird ".", that is hollow, but I dont know enough to understand it. I just heard it works in mysterious ways.

>>169353
Seriously. I cant imagine worse blunder than creating a whole new alphabet to spell foreign word and having that alphabet be the exact same as your last one, but with entirely different characters. How did even one person look at that proposal and thought that was a good idea. Let alone the whole nation.

>>169505
there are no spaces, please understand

Is this thread full of newfags not doing their jp reps or just /wvt/fags?

>>169517
iamtryingbutitsstillalittlebithardformesincetomeitseemsspacesareaveryimportantpartofourwrittenlanguage.

>>168188
She was trying to say that she likes to order pepperoni pizza and then take the pepperoni off. My guess would be because she finds the pepperoni flavor to be too strong but finds the flavor of the oils it leaves behind to be more to her liking.
She had to spend several minutes explaining this because "the 'no' one" is a nonsensical phrase in English.

>>169541
>ever vising /jp/
lmao, get lost weeb.

>>169505
the change in the alphabet act as the spaces
>ころさんは可愛いですね。
case in point here you don't need spaces cause you can see when it changes to kanji it's a new word

>>165858
I am mesmerized by this clip. I think its her laugh near the end. I can't help but to listen to the whole thing every time.

>>169613
What about the sentences that have more than one word in hiragana before the switch to kanji?

>>169505
there are no spaces. the reason is: particles
every single word in a sentence is 'decorated' with their very own special suffix that's the only thing giving the sentence meaning at all and therefore automatically act as spaces

>>169613
that makes no sense since there are many sentences entirely in one alphabet
>おみせにたまよをかいにいく。

>>169505
You don't actually know any Japanese do you? The problem with your argument is that Japanese still works, and it works effectively.

>>165660
don't listen to any americans in this thread telling you they speak other languages. the only country where a majority of native english speakers are bilingual is south africa.

>>164893
The Australian school system is fundamentally broken, please understand.

>>169297
This.

>>169715
No, I dont, I said that earlier in the thread. When I saw what a mess it was, and that was enough for me.

>>169712
I see. Thanks for clearing that up.

Everyone here shitting on kanji are retarded. Yes there are a LOT of kanji, but the most common kanji make up a strong majority of the language. It's not like you need to go from 0 to 3000+ immediately. You learn them as you learn the words they are used in, and as you learn more, reading gets easier and the kanji you don't know stick out more, and you learn them. Using furigana early helps to get a good base of kanji to start with. Kanji are actually brilliant. They add extra meaning to language. Kanji compounds are very intuitive. For example 飛行機 means airplane. 飛 represents flying, 行 represnts going, and 機 represents machines.
>>169314
>これわぺんでわない
This is wrong. First, when using "wa" as a particle, it's written as は not わ, so it would be 「これはペンではない」
Also, using では sounds really odd, no one speaks like this. これはペンじゃない is better, but I could still see people adding particles at the end like よ or omitting これは because it's really not needed here.

>>169712
*たまごを

>>169505
>their weird "."
They stole that period from the Chinese with the rest of the things they took

Everything wrong with Japanese in one image.

>>169819
Why would you bother with /vt/ if your too deficient to undstand any Japanese at all?

>>168820
Because Japanese has 200x the number of homonyms that English does.

>>169862
Why would you ask me such a dumb question? Do you not know clips exist? Do you not know english vtuber exists? Russian vtubers? What are you thinking?

>>169862
Because I like them but am too old and retarded to learn Nipspeak. Next question.

>>165660
I suspect it's a thing for English speaking countries specifically since English is generally seen as a particularly useful thing to learn for most people. UK schools have a decent amount of language options these days but when I was in primary school (20~ years ago) the only thing we had was a weekly French lesson where a non-native speaker would come in and literally show us shit like pictures of animals and tell us the French name for them, plus really basic stuff like My name is, I'm from, I am X years old. There was no testing of knowledge, no progress tracking, very little grammar etc. Secondary school had more options but they were all electives and the choice of language varied wildly from school to school.

>>169857
Wait, does that mean there are 517 different ways to write "Shiyou" in kanji? Genius.

>>165660
>I speak the language of my home country+English, the global language
Don't act like it's a huge achievement

>>169962
shou not shiyou

>>169962
that says shou, and it means that there are 517 different kanji that can be read that way, however many of those kanji are uncommon to see and the reading many of those kanji as shou, including the already uncommon ones, is also uncommon. It is difficult at first but it's not as bad as it seems.

>>169962
It means that しょう (shou, not shiyou) is used as a reading for 517 different kanji. Which is to say that しょう in itself has 517 different possible meanings, without even accounting for slang. And pretty much all those kanji also have several different ways they can be read as well.
This is why japanese is a ridiculous hell language; the retards who designed it decided to fill it with a billion homonyms only distinguished by kanji and context, instead of making different words actually be said differently in almost all cases. Except they fucked up kanji at the same time by assigning multiple different readings to each kanji for no reason instead of just having each kanji have one specific reading.
Incidentally, this is why the japs love their wordplay so much.

>>169541
they got filtered by kanji. さすが /vt/.

>>165858
>>165928
Wait... she doesn't say "the no one".
She says "the normal one".

>>170092
>>170084
>>170076
What the fuck, bros? I thought that
>し - shi
>よ - yo
>う - u
Do japs have silent letters or something?

>>170200
よ =/= ょ

>>170200
しよう is shiyou しょう is shou. The little yo changes it

>>170218
Oh fuck, I have been bamboozled by those small characters. Still though, Why isnt し - shi? Does the small ょfuck it all up somehow?

I would just like to say that Kunrei-Shiki is a blight and the japs are retarded for using it over Hepburn. Thanks for listening.

>>170200

>>165242
I have a cousin who's lived in Japan for 5 years now and only knows kindergarten-level Japanese. He only hangs out with other expats/foreigners. It's not impossible to never learn your new country's language if you still have regular communication with people who know your native language and have a translator for everything else.
Also in haachama's case she's a shut so she probably just browsed the Japanese internet for the majority of her time there, only using english when she had to go outside.

>>169541
There's no point in learning kanji for an auditory format like vtubers

>>170200
There are other common small versions like しゃ (sha) and しゅ (shu), and っ means that you double the next consonant, like in 待って (matte)

>>170276
Jesus christ, Is しょactually a new sound? Yeah, I am fucking filtered by this mess.

>>170321

Haachama my love I hope you are ok

>>170353
No one tell him about rendaku.

>>170353
This is why immersion matters. How can you not realize, that they are saying "sho" but there's no kana for that

>>170402
I never studied rendaku and I find it super easy. It just makes sense.

>>170353
Not really, if you look at that chart you'll see that all of these "new sounds" are essentially a condensed, shorter version of the sound they would make if the characters were both big. Japanese operates in precise syllables, and all of these are pretty much ways to say certain sounds that would normally be two syllables in one.

>>170451
Rendaku is the opposite of making sense.
>Specific word repeating xy syllables becomes zy syllables instead, so xyzy
>Two different words in the same order are left as xyxy instead

>>165858
I hope this soundpost survives to be the remaining proof of our society long after it has crumbled

>>170123
I guess with HoloEN coming out the newfags never really felt compelled to learn Japanese like earlier newfags did

>>170504
>>170402
But fucking why? Why did they do that?

>>170218
>Some letters are just same ones but smaller
based

>>170504
try saying 時々 tokitoki or 雨空 as amasora. It feels and sounds awkward. The syllables that change aren't arbitrary, it is changing from the non-voiced to the voiced equivalent, like と and ど, か and が, し and じ etc.

>>165660
American education system designed to be as shitty as possible. Language, arts, electives are the first to be cut in public schools when the government decides it wants to cut spending. Those that know three languages are kids that went to private schools, knowing 2 languages is common for American spics but not for black or white burgers. Americans along the border refuse to allow Spanish to take hold as a significant part of the curriculum, so at most you only get some shitty Spanish or French elective. Burgerland is so big and English is spoken everywhere that most people have no reason to learn another language.
>t. anchor baby that knows Spanish, learned French in HS but forgot everything because I never used it.

>>170666
Art lessons are a meme

>>165008
All pizzas can have it.

>>168550
Katakana wasn't created specifically for foreign words, the writing style was used even earlier, but regardless...
it gets worse anon. You know how they only used the chinese characters prior to Heian? Well they still spoke Japanese. I mean most of the high born could also use chinese, but that's besides the point. So anyway, let's say you want to write something in japanese in the VIII century. How the fuck do you do that? Well, guess what did they come up with? Still use the chinese characters, BUT only have them mean what they sound like in Japanese, not what they actually mean as the characters. So you end up with text written 100% in chinese characters, that any sane person would think should be translated by someone who knows chinese, except it's absolute meaningless gibberish in chinese, because you're supposed to ignore the actual meaning of the characters, only reading them and then guessing what japanese words do they sound like.
by the way writing in japanese on a computer isn't really a problem, just hit enter whenever you run into a more complex word, so that changing the kanji doesn't mess up the rest

>>170190
hmm... would make more sense, but if anything it sounds more like "the known one" to me. I can't hear "normal" there

>>170801
Fucking hell. I thought that they did it the other way around. As in lets see what the word for "dog" is in chinese - oh its "狗" and its pronounced like "Gǒu". Alright, we will write dog the same way as "狗" but pronounce it as "Inu".

>>170846
>>170190
I still think its "the new one". Maybe it was some sort of new peperoni pizza with more cheese or something.

>>164772
I think she was speaking really hurriedly and accidentally called pizza pepperoni. Here is what she was probably trying to say
>Aah the pepeloni, pepeloni. You know the pizza? The no [pepperoni-less] one? I always- I always order the domino, domino pepeloni; and without pepeloni. I always order the pepeloni and without pepeloni. Pepeloni [Pizza]! I like pepeloni [Pizza]. I always- I always order the cheese-cheese pan. How can I explain? I can explain by my drawing. I always, order like the cheese pan that it has cheese on here, this part, the ear. Ear of pizza. And then I order, when I order pepeloni [pizza] the ear, it always have the pepeloni on the top. But I pick up this, Away! Because I don't eat it!

She probably didn't know how to order non pepperoni pizza or something, or maybe by default studded crust comes with it, so she just buys the pepperoni pizza and removes the pepperoni.

>>170866
They do do it the other way around now. They fixed it when they made the kana, that's the ancient way. And inu is 犬.

>>169297
why not just get a different pizza that doesn't have pepeloni, if she doesn't like pepeloni? makes no sense she would specifically say that she likes pepeloni if she doesn't like it's main ingredient. Dominos pepeloni is literally just a margharitta with pepeloni on it, why not just order that?

>>168808
>>168754
>furigana
I never understood how this is supposed to be useful for JSLs. For children, sure, but JSLs should only be learning words with the kanji in the first place. How would being able to read it in hiragana change anything if you don't know the word in the first place? In fact, you're more likely to get the meaning of a word by trying to brute force the kanji. If you recognize one kanji in the word, you can try to draw meaning what you already know.
Kanji's difficulty has been overstated by this entire thread, imo. Sure, the obscure ones that are hardly used, you can make that argument. I don't see how that's much different than words in English you don't know the definition for, though.
Guarantee some of you people complaining about kanji have the names of 500+ pokemon memorized.

>>170927
She mixed up pizza and pepperoni. She was trying to say she likes pizza and she always orders the stuffed crust pizza with pepperoni but doesn't like the pepperoni so she removes it.

>>170927
she doesn't know how to order it and she wants cheese crusts, which comes with pepperoni by default

>>168229
Yeah desu I think chinese is actually easier than japanese

Pepperoni on pizza is much like pickles in a cheeseburger, it's supposed to be discarded, not consumed.

>>170971
>she doesn't know how to order it and she wants cheese crusts, which comes with pepperoni by default
That's not how Domino's Pizza works in Australia at all. By default everything is the thin base and normal crusts, the cheese crusts you have to ask for and pay $4 extra for.

>>170909
Are you telling me that they changed how they use kanji midway? As in they first tried it to write it by the sound and then changed their minds and are now writing it by the definition? Truly, the most based retards on the planet.

>>170927
Because she likes the peperoli pizza. She likes how the pepeloni pizza tastes after she removes pepeloni. It probably tastes better than margharitta pizza.

>>171034
??? pickles are good, you must have been thinking of tomatos

>>171034
both pepperoni on pizza and pickles in burgers are great, what are you on about?

>>170944
It's about not knowing the reading. If you find a kanji you have never seen before, you get a reading for it. This makes looking up the word much easier, and if you actually knew the work but had never seen it written before, then you now know both. It's not like the kanji isn't there, you are seeing it and associating it with those hiragana reading. You can go raw from the start though, and some people do prefer it, though it's harder. Furigana is like training wheels for kanji.

>>171040
Yes. They changed it pretty early though, not midway.

>>171099
>looking up the word much easier
This is true and I didn't think of that. When I was learning I mostly read visual novels with exportable scripts to get around that, so it didn't occur to me.
Still though, I can see furigana forming bad habits for some. Luckily it isn't overused too much.

>>171099
The dumb thing is that furigana is always selectively used and isn't present on kanji arbitrarily considered "common".
But the bigger problem of course is that to begin with nothing about a kanji tells you anything about how to read it or what it means and you can only find out those things by looking it up.

>>171119
Thank you. I love discovering these fun facts. Its such a wild ride. I am sure there are valid historical or grammatical reasons for many of the decisions behind those, but not knowing those, its such a glorious mess. It seriously seems like they always picked the dumbest solution to every problem they encountered. I love it.

>>171057
>>171083
I bet when you're eating a muffin you eat the wrapper with it.

>>171164
I know what you mean about the selective usage, but keep in mind that it's meant for japanese kids, and some manga like shonen jump uses furigana for all kanji.

>>171258
>he doesn't get the muffins with edible wrappers

>>171285
Just because paper is technically edible doesn't mean you should eat it.

>>171258
pickle=food
pepperoni=food
wrapper=/=food
the fact that you even considered a wrapper something to be eaten... what did he mean by this?

>>170666
>Language, arts, electives are the first to be cut in public schools
They are both subjects that are only instructive for people who put in the extracurricular work on it, you won't find anybody from any country that has learned a whole language just from HS lessons. Even for private schools, it's just a waste of time.

>>171340
Edible wrappers aren't made of normal paper

>>170504
>>170402
The best part about rendaku is that even that wiki about it has a part basically saying "Some of this doesn't make sense and there really isn't any set rule to it".

I've also seen Japanese tubers misread or be unable to recognize kanji when playing games (admittedly it's rare). How is that even possible for your native language?

>>171343
I've eaten bits of the wrapper at In-N-Out because of the melted cheese on it. Not the worst.

>>170944
You're ignoring the fact that a lot of people who want to learn how to read Japanese have already been exposed to it in audible form for years, leading to them having a rather good vocabulary compared to their ability to read.

>>171258
They wouldn't give you a wrapper if it wasn't safe to eat

>>171410
>fast food
>not the worst

>>171398
>How is that even possible for your native language?
Huh? How is this surprising to people? Have you never heard a native English speaker pronounce a difficult word incorrectly while reading it? Seems the same to me.
>>171424
I suppose, I'll admit I was projecting a bit with that post. I had ignored the language entirely before formally starting to learn it.

>>171448
fast food quality depends on the chain and what country you are from

>>171398
I dont know, but god bless. If not for that, we wouldnt have Yagoo.

>>171439
Stop eating paper.

>>171466
I live in America and I want to puke every time I see it. I would rather eat the just paper. It is unironically healthier than eating the burger.

>>171164
>nothing about a kanji tells you anything about how to read it or what it means
that's not true, kanji using the same particles often share some similarities in their meanings. For example "kemonohen" 犭is generally used for animals with fur. So you have 狼、猿、狸、狐 (wolf, monkey, tanuki, fox) etc. all using the same particle. Or for example "sanzui" tends to appear in water related kanji: 海、洋、池、お湯 (sea, ocean, pond, warm water). Or "kusakanmuri" comes from "grass" so it can be found in 草、薬、茶、花 (grass, medications [originally herbal], tea, flower). Of course some kanji only have very vague relation to the meaning of the radicals. Something that may have been related a milenium ago, but nowadays has changed beyond recognition. But still, you can at times ruffly discern what the kanji might mean just by the similarity.

>>171529
that's sad

>>171492
No.

>>171539
this. It takes time to get used to but kanji are very information dense. Japanese without kanji just wouldn't be the same. Look at how shitty korean looks since they dropped kanji. It's soulless.

>>171671
I checked out korean out of curiosity recently and the writing system pissed me off desu. They made it specifically to make the language easy to read and write, and yet they still have inconsistent pronounciation rules, what the fuck?

>>171739
too much western influence

Alright, I keep hearing Nihongo this or English that, but what are some top tier languages?

>>171793
In what sense? Good sounding? Easy to learn? Consistent internally?

>>171529
You're probably from the coast and have immigrant parents.

>>171793
Korean is really logical, I love it. very satisfying to learn.

>>171793
esperanto

>>171793
Russian language is pretty alright. Other slav languages are even better when they have consistent pronunciation. But hey, I am slav, so yeah.

>>168550
Imagine being a kid at school and just being like "yeah alright yeah let's keep doing that, drill that dumb shit directly into my brain"

>>171887
Tiel la mondo iras.

Birdas kaptas insectojn.

>>171539
>kanji using the same particles often share some similarities in their meanings.
>often
Key word. It's not common enough to be any predictable thing and is rife with inconsistencies. Let's go with a simple example: the kanji 虫 (bug).
Kanji containing 虫 that are types of bugs or at least vaguely related to bugs:
虱, 虻, 蚕, 蚊, 蚓, 蚪, 蚋, 蚤, 蚣, 蛍, 蛄, 蛆, 蚰, 蚯, 蛉, 蛤, 蛞, 蛩, 蛬, 蛙, 蛛, 蛯, 蛔, 蛭
Kanji containing 虫 that have no relation to bugs whatsoever:
風, 独, 虹, 禹, 蚩, 蚌, 強, 蛇, 蛋, 掻, 蚫, 蚶, 蛎, 專, 蛮, 颪, 惠, 蛟

And so on. I'm not going to list them all because there's a shitload of them, but it's basically a 50/50 shot at best whether a kanji containing 虫 will have anything to do with bugs. And unlike your 犭 examples where the 犭 particle stays on the left, that's not the case with 虫; it shows up on the left, bottom, or top of kanji related to bugs and in the same places in kanji unrelated to bugs. The same can be said of 肉 showing up in words like 肩, 胴, and 腹. And don't even get me started on how 肉 becomes identical to 月 when used as a radical which is fucking insanity.
And that's still not even starting on the readings. I also forgot to mention how nothing about knowing a word tells you what the relevant kanji is either, outside of compound words where you know what a certain part will probably be (eg. 者).

>>171843
I'm from the south and white.

>>171793
Polish :^)

>>164326
My theory is that she likes supreme pizza which has the pepeloni on it with cheesy crust but in the very same sentence she was drawing the pepeloni, she actually thought she was drawing olives and wanted them away.

I've been suffering Haachama withdrawals today because she didn't stream.
Why hasn't she played any games lately? Doesn't she miss playing Minecraft with Watame?

>>172100
Just watch pigchama video 100 times

http://poal.me/t8jpbc

>>168783
Katakana was originally made before hiragana and was used like the second. The thing is hiragana became more popular so they decided to replace it.

>>172729
Thats pretty cool perk of having more than one alphabet. You can hold popularity contests between them. Makes sense.

>>172100
She’s said on stream she just hasn’t been interested in video games lately. Just keep watching Red Heart to get it to 1 million so then she will be happy....

>>170023
It isn't. Yankees still can't do even so much

so..she likes pepeloni right?

>>173591
yes but without pepeloni

>>164326
Haachama is a savant
https://streamable.com/f1mu5q

>>173607
oh ok

>>164326
Looks like it

>>164893
Mori...

>>164893
She's fluent in English..

>>173886
>he says in the pepeloni thread

>>173886
>fluent

>>171529
Another one fell for soi propaganda. Hating fast food is low IQ.

>>165858
she has such a way with words

>>173957
>>173968
She was just trolling in the video. when I facetime with her she sounds normal (we are married)

>>168513
Not really. At the time when japs decided that being able to write and read is kinda neat skill chinise was already ages as formed and they obviously borrowed that one, not those archaic ones that were almost glyphs. So really, modern kanji and their depictions have no much more in common than modern letter "A" and original aleph that representet a bull or some shit

>>174107
Oh cool, good to know.
Wait hol-

>>171793
Finnish is the greatest language known to man

>>174232
gimme a quick rundown

>>164326
Why not just order a pizza with no toppings.

>>174358
That's like ordering a cheeseburger without any pickle, removing the pickle (in this case pepperoni) is part of the experience.

>>165242
Moririn...

I thought Mori's Japanese is good

>>174358
She like pepeloni

>>169721
most americans aren't bilingual but depending on where you are, if you care enough you can learn enough of a language to at the least use the internet in that language

>>169819
He isn't wrong that particles can separate words but like
sometimes you don't need particles, ones like wa and ga especially can be completely optional. It's not as if the lack of spacing makes the language unreadable.
Forexample, ifItypelikethisthenmymessageisn'timpossibletoudnerstandintheslightest.
The Japanese language can do that even better because each kana character is an entire sound, so it isn't as ambiguous as English might be.

>>164326
I pity the wagie that had to pick her orders over the phone.

>>175041
>2020
>ordering shit by phone
boomeranon...

>>169505
btw as a side note spaces wasn't a thing in latin before medieval, romans originaly wrote in one line and with caps like this shit >>169544
It's FUCKING BARBARIANS goddamn germano-francs who started to make spaces

>>173586
More like "dont have to" because we make you retards speak our language lmao

>>164326
why is haachama the worst one at getting her l/r's right?

>>172009
pshepolish is pshegood pshelanguage

>>168856
since that fag didn't do it I will
very nice anon

>>176078
???

>>171894
Ceйчac бы yчить вcю этy хyepгy c их ёбaнными зaпятыми пocлe вceх cpaных мeждoмeтий и кyчy блядcкий пaдeжeй c oхaпкoй eбyчих иcключeний
But overall it's fine

>>168856
god bless anon, your sacrifice shall not be in vain

>>165775
>ESL and EOP
how?

>>175697
>our
do americans really think they invented english?

>>176570
latin is your first language

>>176646
>invented
Nope. Only perfected. Just like Italian food.

>>176790
>perfected
alright, let's hear you pronounce macarons and vitamins, burgerfag

>>167467
well, where is that 100 (you)s?
>>168856
for (you)

>>176875
and aluminium

>>177099
Reminder that aluminum was actually the original name and aluminium was made up by a group of snobs later who thought aluminum didn't sound fancy enough.

>>176875
you're really going for their inbred pronunciations over their crime against humanity idea of italian food?

>>177325
american food is dogshit
all of it
went there for 2 weeks
I almost died, the food is vomit inducing
everything is full of fat, chips and sugar

>>176646
Invented? No. Claimed? Yes. Maybe come back when you don't speak English as if you had a mouth full of faggots

>>177500
>amican funbles with his 3rd grade english that even turks speak better

>>164772
Oh, right. The pepeloni. The pepeloni for Haachama. The pepeloni specifically chosen to feed Haachama. Haachama's pepeloni.

>>177566
Don't listen to Mutts, they think their country is the whole world and deny if you don't think alike

>>167899
kek

pepeloni is good for you
Haachama is a faggot for not eating it
I bet she only like cheese because the smell reminds her of something she loves

>>174232
just split it in diferent words what's with this language for autists?

>>168704
Don't be a retard, you need to rewrite the word no the whole sentence

>>165660
I've been to 30+ countries and have literally never and an issue speaking only english. Its at the absolute worst a slight inconvenience

>>170597
They look cute

>>164326
Basically, she doesn't know that she can/isn't confident enough in her english to remove the pepperoni from her pizza order, so she just gets the pepperoni pizza with special crust (she doesn't know how to say crust) and removes the pepperoni herself.

>>171410
Ive eaten the entire wrapper before. Then again I also eat the paper straws whenever I get them. It might just be autism :/

>>182943
>might
How'd otherwise you'd end up here?

WHAT THE FUCK IS THE BUMP LIMIT

How is everyone so stupid and missing what is so obvious?
PEPPERONI IS A GREASY MEAT. THE GREASE MARINATES IN THE CRUST AND IMPROVES THE FLAVOR AND TEXTURE EVEN AFTER THE MEAT IS REMOVED

>>183234
1000

>>183248
AND TO ADD ON TO THAT, SHE SAID "THE NORMAL ONE" NOT "THE NO ONE".
t. TOTALLY THE SAME ANON

>>168188
She was saying "the no one", but think she meant "the one without (the pepperoni)"

>>183290
It's "the normal one", it just is.

>>164893
Imagine spending literal decades consuming japanese media and being unable to speak the language

>>183399
Thats most of jp

>>168856
Nice.
Now fix the comma in "cheese, cheese"

>>169188
She literally points to the crust in the drawing (the ear of pizza), not rocket science

>>183355
It's "the new one"

holy shit
i can't believe im seeing a deep discussion in Haachama thread
im crying

You know what's nice?
To anglos, nihongo not only looks, but sounds alien as well.
But when I've picked it up, it just felt so good to see similar phonetic patterns and hard sounds compared to the absolute slur that is English.
To think that rolling Rs would be such an invaluable learning experience.
from Russia with love (and laughing at your dumb language)

When is the chama coming back, bros?