/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

It isn't a big deal. Anyone posting about how it is a big deal is either mentally ill or shitposting in an attempt to egg on the mentally ill posters, which is itself probably a mental illness.

>spend years building a fanbase around idol culture
>Pikachuface when your fanbase is a bunch of idolfags
Nijis don't have that proble. Gambru didn't have that problem.

>>16664218
Because in the first place we're in place, where we like some anime avatars. Such people are already closer to fantasies, we live in them. So some people really want for their fantasies to be in one or another way.

>>16664218
2 reasons
>you are nijifags
>you are not gachikoi

Because it means they will be having sex afterwards.
Collabs with men are only safe when they're married.

Holobronies make posts like these now after calling niji fans cucks for years. the cognitive dissonance lol

>>16664218
The Problem is not collab with males but associating with and defending a self-serving, two-faced con man and then doubling down on it.
Collabing with men was never as big of a deal when it was Kiara interviewing the Tales of Director for example.
Or even Ollie and Bae collabing with holostars.

One more thread please. I don't think there's enough.

Are there enough threads? I don't think so. Maybe more threads.

Because schizos think they own their oshis life and care more about their own happiness than their oshis. They unironically think they have a chance with their oshi and can't take the 1% chance that their oshi will find happiness and that they will move beyond needing the schizos money. They are sad and lonely people who's taken their parasocial relationship to the max and once that facade breaks for a second they lose their shit.

>Another bait thread about male collabs
I hate nijifags so much

>>16664415
Really? is that it? Can you explain again what you mean by that? Expand on your points please.

>>16664218
I watch vTubers to get away from girls giving their attention to chads.

>>16664218
Am CGDCT enjoyer, there's no place for male in CGDCT.

>>16664597
Wow, amazing insight. Can you expand on that? What do you mean?

>>16664218
Why do retards have a problem with people not wanting certain vtubers collabing with males? They're just filling in a niche that is needed, but here we are with beggars making multiple daily threads trying to take down the big bad unicorns.

I don't watch 3d women stream because I want to watch cute girls doing cute things. As soon as they collab with males they lose that aspect and once you let the genie out of the bottle you can't shove it back in.

>>16664692
Why do retards have a problem with retards having a problem with people not wanting certain vtubers collabing with males? They're just filling in a niche that is not needed, but here we are with beggars making multiple daily threads trying to take down the big bad anti-unicorns.

>>16664218
i treat vtubers as cute girls doing cute things, dont really want to watch male streamers

>>16664289
Nijis don’t have fanbases

>>16664633
it's not complicated. having guys around throws off the dynamic and breaks the fantasy illusion of cgdct that's why guys just don't exist in cgdct anime.

>>16664218
As a gachikoi, I don't get to talk to or play games and chill one on one with my oshi. So why the fuck do you think I want to see another man get to do it? Are you retarded or are you a woman completely lacking any empathy whatsoever?

Has any vtuber said something along the lines of
>I’m going to send your superchats to a guy
?

>>16664218
I just think the very concept of male vtubers is cringe as fuck. I don't care about them fucking I just care because that will be a stream that I won't be able to watch because I won't be able to handle the cringe.

Vtubing makes sense for girls because there is a stigma against female streams. For dudes though? If you have to hide behind an anime avatar as a dude uou are just a pathetic excuse of a man. So fucking cringe.

>>16664218
I think it depends on the way the viewer consume the hobby
>Parasocial viewer
They see their oshi as some type of girlfriend, they don't want them collabing with males because they feel is the same as cheating
>Viewerzoned viewer
They like to interact with their oshi by chat, they see the relationship more like friends, but will feel ignored during collabs (with other girls) is worst if they are ignored during a collab with a male.
>Community viewer
Someone that likes to talk about a chuuba outside of streams, could be annoyed by shipfags, this is worst if a male gets involved.

Pretty much this is what I think it is in most cases.

>>16665287
Proud to say I have no empathy whatsoever. Hope your oshi collabs with multiple males at a time from now on

>>16665287
i kneel
>>16665378
die in a fire

>>16665398
Nou

>Utterly defeated in every metric of success
>Complains about the competition
fuck off losers

>>16665287
She gets to enjoy her boyfriend's dick everynight tho.

>>16664218
Well if there wasn't antecedents like... dunno... certain winning son that fucked too many chubas on off collabs I won't be worried.

>>16665508
So? She can fuck dogs when she is not streaming for all I care.

>>16664218
I'd be ok if my oshi collabed with Arnold Schwarzenegger or Jackie Chan. Any other males can fuck off though.

>>16664218
The issue is twofold:

First, why I have to suffer seeing any favourite vtuber with people such as TT, which I would not watch even if it was the only thing on.

Second, it breaks the magic, and I don't mean GFE shit or anything like that. Just the illusion of escapism seeing or hearing those flesh people regularly.

It doesn't help that in the particular case, TT crew is a no-go for vtuber things and their fanbase...the least contact with it, the better.

It is true though that for both issues is easy enough to avoid with simply not watching those streams, but the thing is to look to what's to come: If it turns out to be something regular it will sap into any special stream like birthdays and similar, and might let's say convince (instead of infect) other chubas to emulate such behaviour, which is spreading something that I do not enjoy much.

Collabing with dedicated male chuubas? It's ok, man, even with the shitty NijiEn ones.

>>16664218
It's not a big deal. It's only a big deal in the case of the Trash Taste guys or Nux

>men and women
>playing together/just chilling

how gullible and cuck are you?

>>16665543
Roberu is virgin, lol.

>>16665700
Of course, he's fucking ugly irl.

>>16665088
NTA, but you're making a false equivalency. The majority of female streamers collab, talk to, and date men. Some even stream with the one they're dating. So when there's a small group of them that build their entire brand around not doing those things, it would be rediculous of you to think that their fans wouldn't prefer that.

>>16664218
It boils down to jealousy. Faggots here can't handle the idea of another man being near their precious waifu when they know they never will. If they had the chance and the talent to be a male vtuber they would become one themselves in an instant.

>>16665869
No shit fag, there's no denying about that.

its bad because they prey on lonely man's fatherly / provider insticnts, if they give it for other man the magic is gone, they go "well, let that guy support you then".

>>16665304
No. In fact no Holo has ever talked about a man that they hang out with off stream before. Mori is the first one to do this. I regret the EN fanbase becoming so big that she isn't forced to graduate.

>>16665287
Can't you just like... not watch those streams?

>>16665304
calliope mori 200$

My oshi is married IRL. I dont care about "purity" and I dont dream about being with an anime girl. Even with all that said, I dont like seeing men in any shape or form in this part of my entertainment. It just ruins it for me and completely changes the dynamic of streams.

>>16664218
It's not. The holostars and NijiEN guys seem cool. I'm not a fan of TT though and would prefer to not see them collab

>>16666041
Can't you just like... find a different streamer instead of trying to turn my oshi into a whore like yours?

>>16664218
It's like being at a party and watching other guys and girls having fun while you're just there with a drink in your hand, having nothing to offer to the conversation so you just nod your head and sip your drink. It's like being a third wheel. Unnecessary, forgotten, and not even noticed. The moment there's a male involved the chuuba - chat relationship is fucking dead and no matter what you do in the chat, be it a funny comment, a SC or similar that makes the chuuba laugh or go on a tangent it only serves to make the chuuba and the guy have more fun and become "better friends."

It's just a form of NTR. I don't want to be a part of that or have anything to do with it so I don't watch chuuba's that collab with males. I dropped NijiEN completely because of that even though I was membered to Rosemi and Petra since they opened membership. This is where the line is drawn. If you want to collab with males you no longer have anything to offer to the world of vtubing and should just go and be a regular thot.

Also you seem to be under the illusion that there's such a thing as nonsexual male/female relationships. There are none.

>>16665574
t. NPC

>>16665378
So I was right? You are in fact a woman? That really explains your sociopathy towards men and lack of empathy towards lonely people. Being a woman, you'll never know loneliness, but I hope that your partners will abuse you to the point you wish you did. I'm not sure why you come to 4chan.

>>16666157
Based and same, Im also able to enjoy some het ships as long as they don't involve my oshi

>>16664218
I'm so tired f you faggots

>>16665378
My oshi are Korone, Pekora, and Gura so there's literally no chance of that happening, lol.

Im realizing that unicorns are the real feminists in the vtubing community. Much like feminists, they want complete separation from men and for vtubing to remain entirely female dominated. They do not want to see a man succeed whatsoever. This may be for their own selfish ends, but that befits any ideology. So thank you unicorns for being such good feminists! Girl power!!!

>>16665508
Sorry, but my oshi isn't from vshojo or nijisanji.

>>16666299
a fucking sapling

>>16665508
yeah, mine

>>16666202
That's pretty much what noel does

>>16664218
Because there’s a chunk of schizos on most sites with shipper goggles that see even the most mundane and innocuous interactions as flirting. It’s just a bunch of nutcases making mountains out of molehills.

>>16666242
K

>>16666380
are you retarded? No one is arguing against male vtubing

Itt:women don't understand why they can't be whores AND get donos

>>16666380
Keep seething nijifagtrans

>>16666380
NijiEN guys made it...kinda...and I'm happy for them. They all seem like nice guys. But do they have to be in every other fucking stream or other vtubers chats all the time? Can I watch my titless fairy without some poofter intruding?

>>16666449
sounds like a pretty based sapling

>>16666041
You think it won't bother us if we turn our heads so we don't see it? If you were in love with someone and they start kissing someone else, you would just look away and pretend it wasn't happening?

>>16664218
>Why is collabing with men such a big deal?

>>16664285
fpbp

>>16666193
I agree completely. There really isn't anything more to say. It's just another instance of women wanting to be unfaithful because they have it so easy socially speaking

My oshi would NEVER collab with a male so keep seething cuckfags. There's a bull your oshi needs you to prep.

>>16666193
this is only a form of NTR if you have brain damage. touch grass or touch rope, you are beyond help.

>>16666980
She will, if not by choice than by will of manager-san

>>16666508
Show your tits. I bet they're lopsided and disgusting. Use catbox or something so you won't get banned.

>>16667046
Why? What's in it for me to do that?

>>16667046
looks like beggars really can be choosers

>>16666351
>gura
lol

>>16666983
Not an argument. You lose.

>>16667135
retard unicorns don't listen to arguments. it isn't worth repeating them, they genuinely do not understand human relationships or how to be normal and because they explicitly don't want to, they never will.

>>16666557
Yes? Pomu's done plenty of solo streams recently

>>16667107
Because otherwise you have to GTFO. Them's the rules, slut.

>>16667107
Well, you have nothing to lose and can prove him wrong unless your tits really are ugly.

>>16667241
Make me leave, I dare you

>>16667241
Except I actually don't lmao. I don't play by the rules ;)

>>16667037
(You)r oshi thanks you for supachat. She's going to spend it on a beautiful gift to give to Chad-ichi on their date later

>>16667261
But see, showing my tits on the internet to random men really would make me a whore. So why do that? I benefit more by not doing so

>>16667198
You've lost and now you're angry. Your entire argument is based around the notion that finding a partner should be as easy for everyone else as it is for you. You assume a lack of effort from those you're talking to. You are incapable or unwilling to understand the lives of others or the situation they are in because you are a selfish and uncaring person. I hope you become better one day.

>>16666557
same, girl only streams are like a delicacy now if you're a nijiEN sufferer

>>16666557
>>16667619
Come home, let's go watch holoJP.

>>16667542
my entire argument is based around the notion that just because you donate to a livestreamer doesn't mean you have any say in who they are friends with or what they do on their stream. you are very very quick to share your sob story but your attitudes towards people you have parasocial relationships with make it abundantly clear that you have a broken understanding of how human relationships (as in, all relationships, not just romantic or sexual) work. you have severe entitlement problems. cry about me using that word, too.

>>16664285
fpbp

>>16667391
Taking a photo of your tits and showing it on an online anonymous board without any intention of benefitting from it doesn't make you a whore.
It doesn't even count as true exhibitionism so stop making excuses uglytits and just show them if they are presentable.

>>16667391
I doubt you're a virgin and you probably don't even know how many men you've slept with. You are absolutely a whore so you might as well embrace it. It's not like you have anything to lose at this point.

>>16667750
someone socially well-adjusted posted this

>>16665349
This 100%. Male vtubers are cringe as fuck.

>>16667702
>just because you donate to a livestreamer doesn't mean you have any say in who they are friends with or what they do on their stream.
wrong

>>16667750
Nah. Seethe about it

>>16667767
Lol

>>16667803
so you are admitting you have severe entitlement problems.

>>16665736
Everyone is fucking ugly in real life, otherwise they’d be normal youtubers or actual idols.

>>16667947
My oshi is cute

>>16667920
im not the guy you were talking to, just saw you make a stupid post and corrected you
we do in fact control that as we pay for you. Simple as

>>16665287
I'm a gachikoi and you're a retard.
Why do I have any reason to be upset about circumstances that are outside of my control? Why should I believe that I and I alone am entitled to one on one time with my oshi, and why would I believe that a collab viewed by thousands of people at the same time is anything like another man having one on one time with her in the first place? I would probably feel a little jealous, but that's it. I wouldn't fill my diaper over it like you seem to have already done before the hypothetical collab has even happened.

>>16667702
NO ONE OWES ANYONE ANYTHING IN 2022!!!!!! EVER!!!

no you're right throwing a supa once doesn't mean you get to dictate what content they do but you can have an opinion and if you don't like the shit they start doing they do not have any right to viewership or money or membership.

>>16668079
>im a gachikoi
Lied

>>16668344
Not lying, I'm just not a unicorn

>>16668058
big "has an autistic fit if their girlfriend even breathes the same air as another man" energy. sometimes incel types just need to realize that the reason they can't get or keep pussy is because they're abusive and caustic people.

>>16668214
not donating if you don't want to is the appropriate response, you're right. i do think some self examination is needed if the existence of men in the space is all it takes to turn you off of a live streamer but like. this is a healthier response than foaming out on /vt/ about the total length of cock purportedly inside of a vtuber who acknowledges men at any given time

>>16664218
retarded post, girls talking to men is already considered flirting

>if they're just playing games and chilling?

>>16664285
fpbp

>>16666482
Kys schizo

>>16667702
I would agree with you if it weren't for the fact that Hololive presents and sells itself the way it does. If a woman streams for and targets a predominantly male audience but goes out of her way to hide the fact she has a boyfriend, she is deliberately manipulating her fans into supporting her because she knows a good deal of them wouldn't if they knew the truth. Women who do this are selfish, disgusting, and deceptive.

No one is saying they own anyone. Hololive sells the idea these girls are idols and are thus single. In return, people give thousands and thousands of dollars and use their time and effort to support them. That's the transaction. If one of the girls is unable or unwilling to hold up their end, they need to be honest about that. Otherwise they are a bad person.

>>16664285
fpbp

>>16668734
pretty sure that's more part of the kayfabe / playing the character. gura isn't dating me, the person playing the character of gura is. she can't go around talking about me and the pipe i'm laying on-stream because i'm not also a vtuber.

>>16667865
So I'm right again? I'm on a roll today. Bust out that gaper, honey. You know you want to.

People just need to accept that men not wanting women they are attracted to to have boyfriends is part of the human condition. It is a natural feeling and is why if these girls started talking about what they did on the weekend with their bf, their views would dry up.
We can't all be born with the cuck gene.

Let's see
http://poal.me/63lxj9

>>16667542
You're ugly and your personality is even uglier. There is a reason you try and fail. The only common denominator is you in all your failures with relationships.
Now that we're passed that you can get over yourself and stop being a faggot anon.

>>16668466
you're implying that my oshi is entiled to my memberships and sc's, which she isn't.
if she starts to collab with males, i will take my money and give it to someone that provides me with what I want like other gachikois
it's as simple as that

>>16669251
The fact that you think that manga panel is profound and used it for your argument is all anybody needs to know exactly just how garbage of a human being you are.
Yikes.
Very, very big yikes.

>>16669251
You don't know anything about my life or my circumstances at all. Thank you for proving my point in >>16667542
You said everything I said you were going to say.

>>16665700
>Virgin
>When Lilith (RIP) know the shape of his dick

>>16664285
Not sure why the thread continued after the clear answer was posted.

>>16665287
I work as security on nightshifts and weekends, I'm a khhv wizard and no meaningful friendships the past 10+ years.
I watch chuubas so I can trick my brain into thinking that I'm having some friendly connection with someone. I don't care if she's a whore at this point, I just want some dopamine from time to time.
As long as I can trick myself into it and remember it, it doesn't matter if it's an illusion because it's forever mine. Call me a fag or retard or schizo or whatever. I'm just trying to get by somehow, man.

>>16666242
anon, quick, your fucking meds

>>16668878
Post cock

>>16664285
fpbp

>>16670137
Both of us know exactly why.

>>16665287
This is tangentially sort of the problem at hand - the perceived inequality where another person, who the audience doesn't perceive as fundamentally different from themselves in anything except being a streamer or an e-celeb, gets to be treated differently. Holostars are not so much an issue because they're similarly idols and bound by the same company rules, but for external ones it's a bit different. Part of the 'privilege' of the idol conceit is to be able to dodge things like going on fan discords, privately messaging viewers or voice chat because that "wouldn't be fair" to the rest. If you break this conceit, then people will start to feel the distance, because now it feels like there's no real reason for it. "If she can play with him on stream so much, why does she avoid playing with me or any other viewers on stream?", essentially. Ironically, that's why someone like Kiara is in a far better position to collab, because she has repeatedly demonstrated that she recognizes, engages with, and plays with so many regulars in her audience that a male collab would just be along the same lines.
But if you're someone who doesn't remember even the biggest donators in your fanbase and the stuff they've said, or get fooled if they pretend to be new, then you absolutely need the defense of "oh, there's just so many fans I can't remember, but don't worry, I treasure all of you", and you shouldn't rock the boat and introduce more distance between yourself and your audience for nothing.

>>16664285
fpbp

>>16671153
What if my favorite celebrity has friends who lead a relatively normal life?

>>16664218
which part of 'being an idol' is hard to understand op?

What if HolostarsEN existed, and they flirted with the HoloEN girls, but only off stream on discord, some even going as far as to fly over to go to their house and fuck them. But you would never know. Would that be more acceptable compared to a male collab?

>>16671519
no one actually cares about holoen talking to dudes
it's all just shitposting

>>16671153
I think you raised a good point btw, there is more of a parasocial nature to streamers as opposed to actors.

>>16667702
>just because you donate to a livestreamer doesn't mean you have any say in who they are friends with or what they do on their stream
Yes, yes I do. Because it's like paying a ticket to see a movie or going out to have a meal. If I paid to see an action flick and got a romcom I'd be pissed, and if I ordered steak and got a soup the same applies. I, as a viewer and supporter of a chuuba have certain expectations and standards, and if they are not met I am entitled to drop her or to consider her actions as betrayal.

Any chuuba who pretends to be an idol and then starts slobbering over males is the guilty party here. She betrayed her fans and cheated them out of their money and attention, even love. And then when she acts like SHE has been wronged and that her fans are oh so cringe that just outs her as a complete grifter, a fraud and an amoral individual who used all that money, attention and popularity as a stepping stone to success - no matter how fleeting that success will inevitably be. Imagine being sold a car with these or that specs and a warranty, and paying it dearly, and then the fucking thing starts falling apart midroad and it's blaming you, the driver, for being a piece of shit because you aren't okay with it falling to pieces and smelling like semen. That's what supporting a chuuba who collabs with males is like.

Unless you announce on your debut that you will and do collab with males and fuck around you are implicitly signalling that you're going to be an idol. Changing course deep, deep into being supported by money and fame by legions of fans is cynical at best. It's being an exploiter, a snake, a monster and at bottom a whore. Congrats, you cheated a whole lot of lonely men who genuinely thought you were a fucking awesome human being. I am not going to congratulate you on that and clap like a trained feminist seal and make excuses for you. You, the chuuba who has done this, are a piece of ingrateful, amoral, grifting piece of shit.

And let's roll it back a bit. What is the demand? What is the expectation? Don't collab with males and don't tell us about your fucking boyfriend. Don't lust after RL men in front of us. Don't be a sellout. That's it. That's the fucking expectation. Oh noes! How difficult and oppressive! It's literally the easiest thing to do because it just means you should NOT do some things. All the unicorn and gachikoi ideals are so, so easy to fulfill. And these fucking thots can't even do that. And they get all offended and righteously indignant when you point it out. Give me a fucking break. You hypocritical, lying sack of worthless shit.

>"Give me money and fame, make me rich and successful, and now watch me as I offer myself to random Chads and be happy for me! Defend me! Keep paying me while I fuck around! What, you think I, The God Empress should give something back to you? A dream no less? A fantasy? Ugh, incel! That's oppressive! I'm a Goddess and a strong independent womyn, you can't tell ME what to do! But keep paying me and be happy I'm merciful enough to take your money and attention!"
Fuck that.

>>16671519
Well, there are probably gencoides occuring in africa right now and we are none the wiser because american media doesn't care about them, so yeah, it would probably be better.

>>16671319
There is literally nothing wrong with friends - of any gender, at that. The audience recognizes they physically cannot be in a position to fill that spot.
Online, on-stream interactions, however, are a different matter, because it leads the audience to wonder why none of them are ever in that place even when there is seemingly no barrier to it. And that other streamers have done far riskier stuff with no repercussions only exaggerates that impression. For example, there are twitch streamers who have literally done marathon one-to-one chats over a discord server on-stream. Without the thin implied veneer of "ah, I'm an idol and must be shielded from boors" you get the unpleasant implication that the streamer doesn't know their community well enough to remotely trust them. And that damages the connection they have, because many people (rightly or wrongly) will personally feel they are no worse than the guy on-stream, so why shouldn't they be allowed to do the same things? It's not that it even has to be them; any audience member can serve as a substitute. That's why viewer games are important; the audience feels a connection to the peasant(s) on screen.

>>16671920
Actually their company do, not you. Your boycott holds no power over their actions in the small scheme of things.

>>16672018
>what is fan meetup

>>16664285
fpbp

>>16672033
If you think Rushia's channel wouldn't implode if she started collabing wirh males then you're on a whole different planet

>>16672018
I know holos that interact with their fans on stream.

>>16671920
This.
Play idol games, win idol prizes.

>>16671601
stop gaslighting femoid

>>16672220

Yeah but you don't represent the collective of people that will drop her if she does. You are just you. And even if you want to goalpost into muh number, Fubuki collab with males quite frequently as far as a holo goes and she does fine. And she's not the only holo that does that.

>>16672396
Towa...

>>16672220
rushia is a menhera who pander to incels, a containment for all the mentally ill on hololive's fanbase. i don't hate her, but when she graduates all these cancers will spread to other chuubas

Dudes do not belong in cute anime girl land, cute anime boy land exists for that. And if it's not anime, just kill yourself.

>>16672514
Compare Rushia's sc's with fubuki's
Rushia offers something gachikois want so they pay for it. I've yet to see anyone bitch at FBK collabing with males
What I do see, is a bunch of people bitching that someone does NOT collab with males.
>you don't represent the collective of people that will drop her if she does.
If you think gachikois will be ok with their gfe chuuba collabing with a male then you're actually insane and no, management won't force a girl to kill her channel for a guaranteed loss for her

>>16672623
They'll just go to Noel or Mel or any other holo that provides the same experience.

I wonder if some chuubas consciously cull their unicorn viewer base sometimes.

>>16672082
That actually brings up a good topic. The fan meetups are also part of the idol conceit. There's no reason why they can't be over discord especially since the "idols" are vtubers. It would even be safer, they could do hundreds more, and all from the comfort of their own home. But they have requirements like having spent on merchandise, purchasing a ticket, etc, because of the conceit that "they really want to meet everyone but they can't, otherwise they would be swarmed and unable to give them their proper attention". This is pretty much irrelevant in the modern world, but people stick with it because it's part of the social contract they think they're following.

If you start to challenge the other elements that make up the filigree of that unspoken contract, made out of preconceived notions, by doing things like collabing with everyman-esque e-celebs, then people will naturally start questioning why they can't change other parts of it like all the idol-exclusive rights ostensibly originally intended to keep them able to function as an "idol". And at that point you will find a level of personal audience recognition and memory being demanded of you on par if not better than other streamers, because the idol, loves-your-audience image and expectations don't go away even if the details might change.

>>16671920
imagine the fucking smell. if i ever type something like this i hope i get an incurable prion in my sleep

>>16671920
Much texto, kys

>>16672220
>>16672623
>>16672802
Incorrect. Rushia's Japanese gachikois are delusional die hards built on undying faith for her. Three or four high ranking gachikois would will drop and a few thousand casual viewers as well. Rushia will not actively try to do male collabs because of her own philosophy, but you are deeply mistaking the nature of Rushia's JP gachikois. The people who are there work in the same nature as a religion.

>>16664285
fpbp

>>16672856
>or Mel

this is literally the first time Ive ever seen anyone bring up mel lmao rare mel fan spotted

>>16671920
Man I love coming here to see EOP spergouts.

>>16672802
So you agree that there is a distinction to be made between those who rely heavily on gachikoi and those who don't and that there is nuance for anyone in between?

>>16672887
That's a rare insult.

>>16664370
>defending a self-serving, two-faced con man
Who are you talking about and who's defending them? Mori and Connur?

>>16672887
I will never apologize for having standards.

>>16672860
Yes, they do. Sometimes chuubas actively want to change the makeup of their audience, it's not a crime.

>>16672860
Didn't that green /here/ vtuber do something like that?

>>16672873
>they really want to meet everyone

excuse you?

>>16666765
Do you love your oshi like your gf?

>>16673228
I probably wouldn't eat her out due to hygiene concern.

>>16673066
I don't really get your grift here. Is this about EN? Literally no one gives a flying fuck about EN. EN chuubas = no different than your everyday twitch thot
The only girls that matter are the jp ones and they have 0 restrictions on who they can collab with gender-wise.

>>16673153
The only difference between you and the insane kpop idol stans who melt down over their asian twinks getting married is the fact your tits are from your obesity instead of estrogen.

>>16672270
Yes, and that's a good thing. If you keep fostering a closer connection with your audience, they will naturally give you leeway for all sorts of things. Hell, if you do it during the collab, and make it clear the other person is fully intended to be content for them, rather than a better version of them, they will love it. But too many vtubers, holos or not, seemingly all but forget their audiences exist in a collab. It's all about managing your relationship with the audience.

>>16671920
>I don't know what "donation" means.

>>16673228
>your gf

most people here don't have an idea what that's even like

>>16664285
fpbp

>>16673276
Are you okay?

>>16673383
When the charity becomes about killing puppies rather than saving them, don't be surprised when the donations stop.

>>16673228
>Do you love your oshi like your gf?
...Yes? How is this even a question, are you genuinely retarded?

>>16673295
Thank you for your feedback anon. But I'm not your oshi.

>>16673474

>>16673293
We should do something about you smug pekoposters.

>>16673511
You're not my oshi yet. But you can be if you try.
Sit down. Take notes. Be humble.

>>16673569
I'm only like 6 inches fully erect though.

>>16673446
Yes? The only EN girl that even remotely cares about the idol aspect of hololive is Kiara and she'd easily get reprimanded for trying to fit in with her jp senpais. There's nothing gachikoi worthy of the other girls. No different than literally any other streamer on twitch.

>>16664218
because its a 3rd wheel experience for fans, who by nature cannot interract with their oshii at the same level as the male collab streamer at the same time. The power dynamic is imbalanced.

Even as friends, its the experience of the female friend focusing most of their attention on the other male friend, and not you (which it must be so by the nature of being a collab).

The only real way to handle that sort of experience is to view them through a parental lens, a shipping lens, or as a shitposter, and the talents get their feelings hurt when they get shitposted on because its so different from the constant support and hearts they're used to.

Otherwise you watch as a cuck.

>>16673466
I'm glad vtubing kind of prevents IRL meetups because your smell would destroy my oshis nasal nerve endings worse than rona

>>16673474
Lol cuck, how does it feel sharing her with all her other viewers?

>>16673688
not if your oshi is chloe or gura

>>16673707
yes in the same vein, im also glad for me, since getting anywhere near these two sea creatures would destroy MY nose nerves

>>16673688
Bro you're saying that shit and acting like I'm some stinky NEET when I shower at least once a week.

Come home to Kawaii and Cyberlive anons, no male collabs, actual GFE and girls who actually stream.

>>16673782
Props for still not being as stinky as orca, anon

>>16673782
>I shower at least once a week.
Might want to up those showers anon.

>>16673466
Good thing that it didn't take this turn.

>>16673552
Take the fucking L and move on, retard.

>>16673383
as someone that streams on twitch i can tell you that rhe donation part ends very quickly and is overshadowed by the dact that you can earn some good money, giving you an incentive to do as your audience wants. when your whole livelihood is dependent on it, i imagine it's even stronger

>>16673648
Man, I'd link your post if someone asks me for the example of rent free and deflection. We were talking just about jp, then I point out how streamer specific your narrative is, the logical reply is of course muh en plus immediate gatekeeping with the no true idol slippery slope.

>>16673782
*true*

>>16664285
>i'm right because....... because i say so, ok!?

>>16673295
You put it better than I could anon, and someone should copypaste this and send it to Calliope through some method. Its all about how you form the interraction. a male collaboration requires some extensive audience involvement to maintain the 'power dynamic', or at least an illusion that they are on an equal level. If that can be achieved, then male collaborations are not necessarily a killer or controversial even for the cultivated Hololive fanbase.

>>16673755
Why? The BO talks make me diamond.

>>16672018
I agree that normal female streamers should abide by this unless they are upfront about streaming with men and their relationships. However, idols should not be hanging out or dating men off stream either. They are supposed to be loyal to their fans for the duration that they are an idol. If this is too much for you as a female streamer, then don't sell yourself as an idol or join an idol company. If you do you are a fraud and a piece of shit who is just as bad as someone hiding their boyfriend.

>>16673926
Because the whole board is filled with that shit? It's not like you are even capable of discussing this with me since you just throw ad hominems everywhere. JP girls have always been free to collab with males and the ban on holostar collabs stopped being a thing years ago. And yes, ENs are not true idols nor were they ever advertised as such.

>>16674139
No EN vtubers are idols

>>16664370
Everyone who does Project V collabs with a man (frog). No one cares. In fact most variety shows that feature/guest idols have men as hosts and again, no one cares.
As you say, the problem is:
1. Collabing with assholes.
2. Flirting on stream.

>>16673999
Yes. Problem?

>>16664218
Collabing with your colleague = fine completely, hell i'm fine with some playful bants and shipbaiting
Collabing with industry professionals = fine, I was actually happy for Marine and Fubuki when they got to see ZUN and geeked out
Collabing with random twitch "friends" and trying to social climb for your side projects and side flings = wrong, I will always condemn it, call me an incel a thousand times I don't give a fuck.

I don't watch virtual idols for some Twitch thots behind an avatar going where they're not supposed to be for money and then bitching because they aren't accomodated, I watch virtual idols for their singing abilities, cute antics and fun personalities.

>>16674181
If by ad hominem you mean pointing out what you did then yeah. But anyhow, your narrative only apply to subset of "idols" heavily dependent on gachikoi.

>>16666193
What about when a female collabs with another female?

>>16674139
ive finally figured it out. ive cracked it. posters here are idolfags and they see chuubas as idols and not streamers/content creators/vtubers as a concept. they think the parasocial relationship is part of the package deal.

i guess its never clicked for me since i immediately assume all holos are dykes until confirmed otherwise and i dont project romantic feelings onto them because i have a boyfriend but i think im getting it now. It's the weeb equivalent of a 90s teenage girl crying and tearing down her NSYNC poster because she read a magazine where one of the members was talking about their fiancee or something.

these anons will make fun of kpop twitter and then do this shit. at least kpop freaks enjoy the people they obsess over

>>16674555
>i watch virtual idols for their singing abilities, cute antics and fun personalities
no you dont

>>16667702
>just because you donate to a livestreamer doesn't mean you have any say in who they are friends with or what they do on their stream
Yes, but it's a two-way street. He has a right to his opinion as well. If you don't like people being shamed for what they are or what they think why are you shaming this anon for earnestly experessing his opinion?

This is why the saying "she isn't gonna fuck you bro" is so popular. People like you think they're not in a parasocial relationship because you say you aren't but your kneejerk accusations and unreasonable anger always expose you as the one who's on a heavier and bigger chain than anyone who actually speaks out with siginicant grievances.

>>16664218
It's not, just don't collab with homostars

>>16674798

>actually, telling someone they're retarded for thinking this fake girl is your e gf shows how quick you jump to her defense, showing YOU, in fact, anon, are the one with the parasocial relationship! checkmate!

>>16671920
Based as fuck.

>>16674568
You didn't point out shit cause you don't even have anything to say. Just spit out what's this really about. Mori and Connor? People don't like Connor. He's a scumbag. That's it.
Mumei, Bae and the stars? It's shitposting you idiot. I means it's a well known fact that mumei has a bf and baelzbhas been thinking about roberu's cock since day1. There is no idol expectation from EN.
Literally no one is telling people like Matsuri or FBK to stop collabing with males you schizo.

>>16664285
fpbp

>>16664285
/thread

>>16664218
Are there any explicit ntr vtubers?

>>16666299
This man is too based for this world.

>>16674862
>YOU, in fact, anon, are the one with the parasocial relationship!
Yes, indeed, that is what I've said. You're no different from a Pokimane Tier 3 sub.
Go on, defend your queen from the incels, you shining knight.

>>16664218
Because the people giving them lots of money don't like it and for some reason they want to do it anyway.

>>16675148
meds

>>16675148
Yes I actually respect women and their right to choices. Get over it.

>>16674640
The parasocial street can also be a two-way street and can become intense during membership streams the more time you invest on them. This isn't necessarily inherent to vtubers, but even some streamers in general. A sunken money/time cost will do things to anyone.
Also I don't think its necessarily that idolfags view all chuubas as idols and not regular streamers/content creators. I mean that can be a problem, but its easy to get around if you don't pretend to be one or even lean into the romance aspects once. Or if you're part of a company where it doesn't really lean into idol imagery as part of its branding like Hololive, or as an all female agency brand.

>>16675266
they choose akaisupas over collabing with males
now fuck off

>>16675179
Unless you are Rushia or something this isn't true. I'll say it forever, payouts aren't unicorns unless (like Rushia) you explicitly cater to it.

>>16675135
Mori Calliope
That onr Chinese chuuba who got railed on stream

>>16675379
Chinese? Not Meiro?

>>16675363
True. The biggest supas are always from the fans who respect their oshis and are hoping to hear bf stories on stream.
Glad there is still some hope for humanity.

>>16675363
then why is it your business if they collab with a male or not

God damn this board is delivering on entertainment today

>>16675266
no dude dont you get it, me giving bux to my chuuba entitles me to shove my opinion in their face constantly because its basically buying a stake in their life

>its like buying a movie ticket
>its like getting a used car
>it's a betrayal
>its not what i donated for
>this isnt what i wanted my money to go to
>theres an expectation to be held

they're a product to them anon, an object. neither them nor their roommates are people to them. they just need to hire a hooker or something instead

>>16675477
supas like "me and my wife love your stream" make them onions out because it shows them the life they could have if they didn't hate the very hobby they're obsessed with

>>16664285
fpbp but also if not to play with monkeys in the zoo why else come to this board

>>16675578
It's not, but it's not your either. The only people whose business it is is the chuubas in question and their management. If they want to collab with males, ok. If they don't, ok. This is how a sane person thinks.

Imagine defending ENwhores.
>L-look anons! I say the chad meme in response, aren't I based and unbothered??
I don't care for idolfags. However supporting a vtuber to engage in onscreen sexual relation with a 3d man is peak cuckoldry.

>>16675772
>they're a product to them anon, an object.
this nigga actually thinks that vtubers don't put on an act lmao

>>16673999
You're getting it now

>>16664218
You wouldn't be watching streamers if you weren't lonely. You wouldn't be watching anime girls if you weren't thirsty. Unicorns are just more honest with themselves than you are.

>>16675883
them not collabing with males seems to be a bigger issue than vice versa if the thread ops arw anything to go by
if they dont to collab with dudes stop forcing them to

I'm more annoyed at lesbian vtubers who milk sad men for money then any vtuber collabing with a dude.

>>16676019
Good thing vtubing isn't about honesty

>>16675931
oh no they're 100% doing a character but its just very funny to me regardless to see people get so mad about anime women interacting with men in any capacity

>>16675918
its not cuckoldry because those of us with an actual love life don't project imagined domestic bliss onto our holos and thus don't get mad when the illusion is broken

>>16676163
Then don't get caught in a lie, simple as.

>>16676186
nigga you're trying to soapbox shit as if all sides involved don't know it's fake
you're a fucking idiot and your whole argument fell apart with that last fag post of yours

>>16676073
>If the thread is anything to go by
Anon, /vt/ isn't the real world.

>>16676019
>You wouldn't be watching anime girls if you weren't thirsty.
So in your opinion, people that watch both male and female vtubers are bi? People that watch vtuber with young avatars are pedo? People that watch that vtuber with animal avatar are into zoophilia? You literally can't watch someone without sexual desires?

>>16676019
Nice projection retard

>>16676304
im not soapboxing anything. im saying you're a retard. i watch holos because they're dorky women doing dorky cute things or they're gremlins who can barely function in society and i think its funny. you watch holos because you're lonely and horny. we aren't the same anon

>>16676344
no one is talking about vtubers in real life let alone if they collab with males you spastic

>>16676351
Unicorns love projection, it's the only way they can rationally conclude the things thay do. They don't understand that the rest of the people around them don't think the same way they do on a fundamental level.

>>16676445
>t-t-they treat them like objects!!!
nah nigga you're a bigger moron than unicorns if you don't even see the product being sold to u
delete your ogey pekos cause you're clearly too stupid to use them

>>16665349
It must be a real struggle to evade mirrors or any reflective surface for that matter.

>>16676351
Explain why you watch people hiding behind anime babes instead of actual streamers. I'll hang out and wait.

>>16676149
Look around you, those sad men are very willing to give their money away.

>>16676414
I hope that one day you have enough friends who bring joy into your life that you don't waste hours of your life watching a stranger make money playing video games.

>>16676713
Yeah, that's why I'm annoyed at them taking the money from them, those guys are too lonely to understand whats happening.

>>16676620
meds

>>16676898
ywnbaw troon

>>16676186
>those of us with an actual love life
what the fuck are you doing on 4chan then you delusional faggot

>>16676995
he's larping

>>16673037
It's always so easy to spot the people that don't fucking watch her.

>>16676963
yes, and?

>>16676995
i come here for the reaction images and to laugh at incels

>>16664218
i will stop shitting on unicorns when they stop imposing these impossible standards for women

>>16676620
>delete your ogey pekos cause you're clearly too stupid to use them
I'd say he's the exact type of person to be fit to use them. He's basically an NPC. I bet he used to dump smug anime girls instead on other boards to hide how butthurt he got in arguments.

>>16677140
i love you too, anon

Rushia is the only vtuber in Hololive who is truly and utterly devoted to her fanbase. Bless her heart so much. Cucks will never understand

>>16677255
Same, Currybutt.

>>16664285
fpbp
Most of the opinions posted on this board are not genuine and only used as a means to stir shit

>>16677331
Cucks will never understand mutual co-dependence. They are nothing more than ATMs to their twitch thots and will gladly hold jamal's dick while their chuuba sucks cock for some crack

>>16677379
Even if they're all trolling, if it gets replies then it's a valid opinion.

>>16674139
The main issue that sinks streamers is not so much having a boyfriend. It's deception. It might be a tenuous, parasocial relationship, almost as thin as air - but it is still a relationship of some sort - and there's nothing more damaging to a relationship than lies. And hiding a close partner is a lie of omission big enough to sink just about anything. It's amazing how many seem to miss this, but then not really given the rate of divorces.

A streamer spends a good portion of their day online. They need content to feed the hungry viewers. The content most ready-at-hand is their life. They tell you about what they ate, what they bought, what they've been doing, their little anecdotes. There is no expectation of fibbing in this - obfuscation to protect their real identity, sure, and maybe a little exaggeration, but these things did happen.

Then you find out they hid what should be a major part of their life from you. Even though they told you about so much else. To produce such a facade requires so many lies of omission, or flat out mistruths, that you can't actually trust anything coming out of their mouth any longer. You can't celebrate their triumphs or sympathize with their disappointments because everything might be made up. Even if you were fine with a well-woven, beautiful tapestry of bullshit, you can't even have that now - because they slipped up in a huge way. The tapestry got ruined.

You'll never push ZilianOP's wheelchair or give him physical therapy. Ostensibly you should have been giving him money for his content, not out of sympathy for his disability. So why did so many people get pissed off, have his channel banned, and cancel when he showed that he could walk after all?

Just avoid deception whenever possible. That's a good rule of thumb in almost anything, but especially a job which requires you to make people feel invested in you as an unscripted personality.

>>16674640
No. I don't view all atreamers or vtubers as idols. I view Hololive as idols because they said they're idols.

I don't watch them, so I personally don't give a shit what any of the vhsojo girls do for example. It's not like I hate them either; their content just isn't for me. They are female streamers with a majority male fanbase however, and I know that some of them have told their chat they're single. So if one of them hides the fact they have a boyfriend, they're a bad person.
I don't care about non-idol streamers having boyfriends, they just need to be honest about it so that they aren't tricking and taking advantage of their viewers' loneliness, something you will never experience as a woman.

>>16666299
Holy mother of based.
Why are all the best posts always made when I'm not around?

>>16677102
You come here to laugh at lonely people? Why?

>>16678676
Because he's lonely.

>>16677118
But their standards are: if you say you're single and won't get a boyfriend while you're an idol, then you'll be true to your word.
Not being a liar is an unreasonable standard for women?

>>16678001
no anon, i do get it to a point, dont worry. i shouldnt deny that chuubas can exploit feelings, so i dont want it to come across like that

>>16678676
>incels = lonely people
have sex

>>16674971
Anon, why is me pointing out the simple fact that the power that the gachikoi crowd holds over their oshi is proportional to the degree that their oshi depends on their kin so disturbant to you? It's simply nature. I'm sure that your oshi doesn't have a boyfriend, so you can rest easy.

>>16673293
This is the elephant in the room right here. Crusty sweaty chubby hands are typing these posts.

>>16675266
yes they have the right to choose between a male collab tomorrow or an akasupa tomorrow. I respect both parties, the streamer and the viewer, and if the streamer does something the viewer does not like, the viewer isn't gonna support that activity obviously.

>>16678809
All "idols" had boyfriends, have boyfriends and will have boyfriends. Sorry to break it for you.

>>16679043
Yeah, but the issue here is it's never like that, it's always a desperate akasupa of variations of noooo why you are doing this to me.

>>16678302
Because you're fat and gay, anon.

>>16677609
That's kinda hot ngl.

faggot beta behavior to give a shit about this. couldnt be me

>>16679233
Anom you know that's not true. The threads melted down this badly from a single aka. You would remember the time loops if these akas were a regular occurrence, trust me.

desu if an idol isn't presenting herself at an event physically and running the risk of getting followed home, raped and stabbed, she isn't really an idol, otherwise what is the meaning of an idol's struggle?

>>16679460
Was that your superchat and your pretending its a big deal when noone except here really cares?

>>16679460
Threads melt down readily over nothingburgers all the time. The threads want to melt down, they yearn it, and they seek it.

>>16679233
well obviously you don't hear about the people that decide to not support the activity because they didn't send the akasupa to begin with...regarding the rare desperate akasupas, they are a waste of time to even think about, the people who send them have some form of mental sickness that isn't going to just change, its just something you have to deal with if you take this kind of job on.

>>16679581
...what the fuck? The point is that SCs like that don't happen often. You can examine the small collection of cringy specimens the next time someone starts up an SC thread.

>>16679702
Sure buddy.

>>16665260
If you killed yourself then that would be one less male keeping her from the CGDCT ideal.
Be the change you want to see, anon

>>16679831
hes not joking, literally the same dozen crazy ones every thread after thats its pretty much a bit of fluff.

>>16679916
no I will just become a girl.

>>16679954
Do you know something called low effort posting?

>>16666242
You know the the show tits or GTFO was in response to "women" making posts by starting off with a disclaimer that they are a woman. Directly asking if anon is a woman makes you the dumbass begging for attention.

Woman can easily make the same argument about "loneliness". They form groups with one another quickly, but just as quickly bully the odd one out. You can't really understand what it feels like to be lonely unless you know what it feels like to have not been lonely.

>>16679954
I enjoy the Ger Loke collection, myself

>>16679916
i can be the cute thing they do

>>16680083
GTFO is a pretty good game anon

>>16680144
No

>>16680192
Yes it is

>>16680139
The only thing cute about you is your penis.

>>16679302
stop projecting femoid

>>16680424
I'm about as female as you are fat and gay anon.

>>16680460
not them but are you cute

Why does the schizoid keep referring to himself in third person plural?

>>16680543
do you know when you look at your food and you see a curly hair that doesn't belong to you right next to where you had a bite and you are noided and your start to second guess the texture that you are feeling inside your mouth?

>>16681055
I can't say I've run into that more than a handful of times, to be honest

>>16675249
yeah i'd need some hard psychedelic copium to start seeing things like you guys do

niggas like >>16675772 just keep proving me right

>>16681105
i'm glad for you anon, me neither

>>16679954
>>16679702
If you actually watched a bunch of Holos SC reading you'd see plenty of SC this board would think is cringe, and that's before you get to the tweets
Nobody posts it because watching the SC readings just to make fun of somebody makes you an incredibly petty person

>>16681253
anon, your schizoid pills...

>>16681398
not the anon but do you have a mother of all cringe one that you wanna share?

>>16665349
I look pretty handsome. I just want to be able to live my stream and real lives separately. vtubing is a good way to achieve that goal, no pussy shit about it. I just don't want to involve my real life with my online persona

>>16664285
fpbp

>>16681764
No, fuck off. I'm retarded like everybody else here but I'm not that far gone yet

>>16671920

>>16681949
I mean a screen cap

>>16681949
like not from you necessarily

>>16671920
>NEVER SUBBED
>NEVER DONATED
>ADBLOCK ON
>STOLEN LAPTOP
>NEIGHBOURS WIFI
>MOMMAS HOUSE
>STOLEN SOLAR PANELS
>STOLEN SUN
>SOLAR ENERGY STOLEN
>WATER WHEEL
>NEIGHBOURS RIVER
>STOLEN HYDROELECTRIC PLANT
>CHARGING PHONE WITH WORK >ELECTRICITY
>SHOWER IN BATHROOM SINK
>STOLEN FOOD FROM CAFETERIA
>STOLEN HAMSTER
>STOLEN HAMSTER WHEEL
>KINETIC ENERGY
>FREE ENTERTAINMENT

>>16682234
niggersan...

>>16682011
>>16682063
I'd literally rather post an SC of my own that people here would cringe at than post somebody elses'. I don't make it a habit of laughing at people or letting them be the butt of the joke for dumb reasons like that

>>16682234
the original one was better and had KFC wifi, this one is the tranny edition

>>16682815
cut me some slack man it's been a few years & memroy bad

>>16682815
Won't you get robbed at a KFC because of blacked?

>>16682345
Could pls post one anon?

>>16683110

>>16671920
They're really angry ahahahaha

>>16664218
Because its not me and that unacceptable

>>16683235
Pettan...

>>16683235

half of the replies are in support...