/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

How true is it that chill streams are NGMI? And what precisely is "Making it" in this scenario?

Can the thread poster please post a link to the previous thread every time? Just for ease of catching up

>>16559464
chilling is for friends
making it is getting partnered/hired by a corpo

>>16559464
If you can make a "chill stream" entertaining or otherwise pleasurable to be in, they're fine. Do you know anyone capable of this? What do they do? What are some common traits between those who offer this experience? Are they things you can replicate?

>>16559621
I'm not OP, but here's the link for posterity:
>>16445664

>want to add accessories to in-progress design
>can’t decide on anything unless I physically force myself to just add in every idea and then swap them multiple times
ngmi boys

>>16559642
Oh, those are far from my goals
>>16559654
Never thought about it that way, thanks anon

>>16559464
It's not that chill streams are inherently ngmi it's because most uninteresting and boring streamers default themselves to "chill" streams and that is why those streams fail.

>Start creating, stop tweeting.

I understand who this advice is meant for but I feel like I'm the opposite of Twitter chuubas that just grow there and rarely (if ever) actually create content on video platforms.

I feel like I need to grow on Twitter too for 2 reasons:

1) I want to replicate the activity of corpo chuubas so that I have a portfolio that will look like I'm already like them when I apply.
2) I want to convert the Twitter followers to Twitch viewers.

Are those viable or do they lead nowhere?

>>16559464
>>16559654

There are two types of streamers that succeed doing "chill streams"

1. They're already famous for something beyond it (being early adopters, luck, other type of content, etc.)
2. They are educational in some way, e.g. Randon, Syafire. People want to hear what advice they have to give.

>>16561030
I know this is bait but for any /asp/ies that are genuinely looking.

Slugma from Tsunderia and Sakana from Phase Connect basically admitted that Twitter marketing is worthless because it doesn't convert to Twitch viewers. If you want to be a content creator, create content.
>1) I want to replicate the activity of corpo chuubas
You'll only be copying the motions of the corpos without any substance to back up anything you do.
>2) I want to convert the Twitter followers to Twitch viewers.
That fact that you think this is something you can do already speaks about how little you understand about Twitter. It's easy to build a following on Twitter but they won't convert to Twitch viewers.

>>16561309


>1) I want to replicate the activity of corpo chuubas so that I have a portfolio that will look like I'm already like them when I apply.
That doesn't matter, your video content does. Stay out of Drama and just RT art you like, post fun memes with your char and clips etc and your social media is fine. Make a silly post once in a while.

>2) I want to convert the Twitter followers to Twitch viewers.
That won't matter either, your video content will.

Very few people are watching a Vtuber solely because of Twitter. Yes, there are people who can grow due to Twitter like Kenji did pre-tiktok boost and yes, you can gain SOME viewers from it, but Twitter is more for networking tool for chuubas so that other creators can see your content and you can see theirs. A majority of your viewers have and will always come from your video content. You might grab some people if a clip of your happens to go viral on Twitter like Cimrai or Kenji's, but that's not something you should really expect.

Going through my follows now (admittedly, I do not watch many chuubas), the last time I followed someone from Twitter purely for their content and not because it was a networking thing, a friend or mutual I want to engage with more, or some outside reason was PrayersFromAbigai over a year ago, land she went viral within the community. You likely will not be going viral. That doesn't mean don't post your content to Twitter, just don't expect your followers there to ever translate into viewers and don't try too hard to LARP a corpo.

Overlays:
Has anyone ever make a custom overlay in Unity or some other software for OBS? I kind of want to try to do something that’s more than just a browser source, thinking chat, alerts, and maybe some other cool additions that I haven’t thought of yet (and mentioned)

>>16559464
"Chill" stream is usually just a cope term for "boring." "Comfy" and other similar words as well. Foster a comfortable, relaxed and friendly atmosphere. Still leave no dead air. The people who do this best treat the game as a backdrop or perhaps inspiration for their speech and storytelling and won't hesitate to just pause the game or loiter around to emphasize those strengths, I've found. Choose your games wisely if you'd like to do this.

Is the only real way to get out of 2view to literally get lucky with a video/clip? Or do you grow organically.

do you guys know any former /asp/ies that went on to find moderate success? just curious

>>16564850
That's such a huge waste of time I can't imagine any /asp/ie doing that.
>>16566419
You have to market yourself. Organize growth is nonexistent in 2022.
>>16566432
Lumi is a corpo who averages 100 ccv who used to be an /asp/ie but this really depends on what you mean by "moderate success" since that varies wildly from person to person.

>>16566432
yeah its important to define "moderate success" here
someone like Lex started around September and he has 75 ccv right now and Retsu has around 55 ccv currently and she started last summer

>>16566546
>>16566864
I mean I'd say 50-100 consistent pairs of eyes watching anything live would be considered a success. consider my question answered ig

Reminder: https://twitter.com/hololive_En/status/1482914321961259014

>>16567002
oh yeah if that's your range then some others i'll name are CallieCalico who isn't exactly at that number but has been slowly climbing up despite a lot of life shit getting in her way and PowerNelson is also someone around the 40 viewer range as well

I want to vtube but I hate Discord

>>16567717
What?

>>16567210
They seem desperate to steal the male market from Niji... I wish NijiEN would do open auditions too.

>>16567717
Then don't use Discord

How long should I stream at first?

>>16567844
From what I'm reading Discord is very important for community stuff and networking or whatever but it always turns cringe from my experience.

>>16567717
It's possible. You'll still have to use Twitter or something.

Kongou doesn't use discord and he's great

>>16568098
Yeah I've heard he doesn't like using it either. Twitter isn't too bad. Thanks for the answer.

>>16568045
I don't see how it could be important for the community. I don't plan to use it either because it just sounds like a liability and I wouldn't want to bother moderating it

>>16568045
>From what I'm reading Discord is very important for community stuff and networking or whatever
It doesn't seem like you even know what Discord is for listing off every possible thing a generic social media platform might possibly do. If you don't like it don't use it. You wouldn't even know how to use it properly.

you use discord for voice chat in collabs, you dont HAVE to build a community or anything

>>16567210
did anyone hear back yet, aside from getting views on their videos?

>>16568098
>Kongou doesn't use discord and he's great
How does he do collabs?

Any advice on how to pick a name? I’ve had the final design for a week or so now and have even sent it off to an illustrator but I still can’t think of a good name.

>>16569145
kongou does use discord for collabs but i think when people say that he doesn't use it its more in regard to having a community server

>>16569149
Show us

I found an illustrator that I liked that's currently taking commissions and reached out to them a couple of weeks ago, haven't heard back from them yet and they seem to have recently deleted their twitter. I hope they're alright. I don't really want to have to look for another artist

>>16568045
>From what I'm reading
>From my experience

So which is it? Have you experienced it or did you just read about it occasionally happening? It's how you communicate with other chuubas, with your viewer community if you choose to etc. Literally nothing wrong with discord

>>16569534
I've used Discord as a viewer and in other hobbies but not as a chuuba. I dislike how cliquey it gets and the general vibe of the communication. I'm kind of a boomer admittedly.

>>16569633
Okay we get it you don't like Discord. Don't use it. No one is forcing you to use it.

>>16569864
Is your last name Discord or something

>>16569516
>recently deleted their twitter
lol, lmao even
unfortunately that means you do, when an artist scrubs their shit like that they're probably lying low after being unable to complete some other work

>>16569933
You're some grown adult bitching for an hour about how much you don't want to use Discord and anons are telling that you don't have to. Yet you keep coming back to bitch about how much you don't like it. You don't even have a png model.

>>16569941
I really hope that isn't the case. I sent them a message through every avenue available; their discord listed on vtuber.gg, their email on Artstation and their twitter account. At first I thought it was because I just smelled weird or something but seeing them nuke their twitter has me worried about them
>>16570065
I'm not the person that you were talking to, I just chimed in with the last name remark. You're weird

Can OP bother making a new picture instead of reusing the same again and again. Use it as thumbnail practice.

>>16570183
If you went through all that and still didn’t hear a response, why would you keep pursing? Sometimes they just will not respond you have to learn when to move on.

>>16570350
I really like their work and the price seemed reasonable. I was about a day away from reaching this conclusion on my own so I appreciate the advice

Question for everyone here.. Why do you want to become a Vtuber?

>>16570763
Money.

>>16570763
fun of it

>>16570763
Seems fun and possibly lucrative. I'm a funny guy with a radio voice so I feel like I could find success doing it

>>16570780
it may be hard to chase the money aspect of it without the passion.. good luck tho

>>16570763
It's fun

>>16570894
hopefully you find success my guy

>>16570939
>without the passion..
Why do /asp/ies always assume someone can't have both? Why can't you accept that some people have a passion and want to do this for month?

>>16570987
Thanks, me too ^^

>>16571024
its quicker to become burned out when there isn't any passion

>>16570763
i've always wanted to be a streamer but can't stream with my face due to job related reasons
i can't say i went in expecting money out of this but i'm happy with what little i've made so far

>>16570763
multiple reasons
>fun, have tried streaming before but settings havent been ideal
>want to interact with art-minded people on my own terms instead of getting stealth banned by a retarded mod in someone else's chat/discord because i posted a picture of them humiliating themselves on twitter
>more importantly just want to get my art in the eyes of more viewers rather than just other artists
>money, but i expect it to come from commissions rather than donos and whatnot

>>16570763
I'm already a no-cam streamer doing decently well, no income, but affiliate and steadily growing. Having an attractive and interesting anime face to market myself and deliver on slight physical humor with expressions is just the next step to growth. Plus I look nothing like my voice sounds, kek.

>>16570763
I want to entertain people but can't "be myself' due to career factors. I make plenty of money so that's not an issue.

>>16567210
When can we expect an EN stars announcement? I hope they give the new jp stars time to establish themselves before they announce them officially

>>16559654
I think most people confuse this term, yes most people say a stream is chill when they don’t want to say boring. But there is a difference between a truly boring stream and a stream that is chill.

>>16571576
Successful auditions get a response after 1 month. Then it's 2 rounds of auditions if the rrats from HoloCouncil are to be believed. Afterwards it's design and character. Anyone that gets in probably won't be announced until summer with a debut in August or September.

>>16570763
It seems fun

>>16571576
From what it seems they are probably still auditioning

I want to start off by doing ASMR and streaming games (since ASMR seems fun and I like gfe chuubas so might as well be one), but I wanted to try ASMR that would be unique to try and get a leg in the door so to speak.
Does craft (specifically needlefelt) ASMR sound like something any fans of ASMR would enjoy? I've never seen any chuuba do it before, but I think the sounds from needlefelt would make for good ASMR. Thoughts?

>>16572167
>probably still auditioning
Hololive EN auditions are permanently open. You can put in an audition application whenever you want. They'll do rolling gens once they gather enough talents for a wave and push them through as they come.

>>16572244
needle felt asmr already exists, so just get some cute visuals for your stream and model and I think it could work out

>>16571598
>yes most people say a stream is chill when they don’t want to say boring
I sit in streams of streamers with thousands of views who are told they've got "chill" or "comfy" streams because they're chill people, the only time I've ever heard of it used as an insult is here.

>>16572647
the issue with being "chill" is that there are sometimes people coming here who think being chill is the only thing you need as a streamer, not only does it not work when you're starting out but it also paints you as very lazy if you think you can get viewers by doing as little as possible. as mentioned before, the people who do chill streams already have an established viewerbase that just enjoys the presence and ambience of that person's stream and personality regardless of what they're playing

>>16569149
What is your main inspirations/themes for your designs? Look up words that have the meaning related to those things and mash them together.

>>16570763
First and foremost, money. And as a mad man once said, if you're good at something, never do it for free. I'm pretty autistic about some certain franchises so might as well turn that hobby into some potential income.
I also want to improve my talking skill, I can feel it deteriorating as the years goes by.

>>16567210
this tweet makes me feel like they are disappointed with the people who have sent their auditions so far, the fact that they need to remind us again that they have it open makes me think they are hoping better people come along.

>>16572167
>>16572296
One small thing i always curious is when a indie vtuber being picked by Corpo, when will be latest date that allow them to do the "farewell" stream before Corpo debut?

>>16577280
I mean in the case of holo I don't even really think you HAVE to graduate if you were an indie, the people who do just kind of do because "why bother sticking to this shitty character I made when I'm gonna be a holo"

>>16577280
graduating your old character/ceasing streams isnt a hard requirement, people just do it out of convenience or courtesy for fans, some holo roommates still stream probably to take a break from the usual restrictions

>>16577360
>>16577435
Oh right, i should remember kson's case at first before even asking.

>>16577470
kson is the most well known ones, but there are still popular clips floating on youtube of current holos doing holo-related yabs on their roommate streams, it's silly
but yeah, just do whats most convenient. i probably wouldn't retire my character because i want to do things with it outside of streaming, but I would join holo anyway

don't psych yourself out with doubt about how likely you'll make it. While some holos were active for like 10 years before debuting, you also have cases like Civia who literally was active for 1(ONE) month before getting hired

>>16577618
I both wanted and needed to hear this. Thanks

>>16577618
Surely this is the wrong way around? You've said "some did ten years of grinding, but some did one month", which is kind of disheartening?

Also, anyone here use woovit?

What song would you want to try singing at your “official” debut, if you’re going sing at all?

Are you going to sing FANSA live the (male) aidoru that you are? 草
Captcha: VTK0D

>>16581038
* like

>>16568015
2-4hrs

>>16577280
Mysta did it around 2 months before he officially debuted if I'm not mistaken.

>commissioning artists
>they see my real name and face when transacting
>they see my VTuber knowing that's not how I look like at all
>autistic brain is permanently anxious about being judged, getting doxxed, whatever despite knowing what I'm doing is harmless and artists doxxing me would be a breach of privacy

>>16582132
He streamed since 2019. Not sure how true the Civia thing is but you have to realize these people might've only been Vtubers for X amount of time, but in 99.9% of cases they've been creating content for years in one form or another. Civia might've been a Vtuber for a month, but odds are she's created content for much longer than that.

>>16582286
Nobody give a shit about you, and I mean this in the positive way, stop worrying about all the small stuff, anon.

>>16582295
Civia's account uploaded their first video April of 2019 and stopped uploading end of May 2019 then debuted in November. And if you watched how amateur her stream quality was, you wouldn't think she was any kind of content creator before then(she's listening to music poorly mixed over whatever she's doing, she doesn't know how noise cancelling works so you constantly hear her fans going off and her roommate talking in the background and shit like that)

>>16582539
Being new to streaming is also not the same as being new to content creation.

>>16582935
even her short videos are extremely scuffed, with the background music being too loud, the actual recording not being edited at all(which led to her leaving flubs in all over the place and being out of sync whenever she places music in) and not really having a ton of effort in general. It's kind of crazy to think that someone like this was even considered to be not only in hololive, but in their first ever attempt to branch out overseas.

>>16583396
vtuber landscape was different back then, they expected to get total newbies that are supposed to grow with the jobs. Nowadays there's way too many talented people with experience in streaming and content creation so there's no point in picking up total newbies anymore.

>>16583556
It's weird, I'm watching the Slugma interview from 10 hours ago, and both her and the PC guy are saying "Yeah, you basically need to work at streaming full-time if you're serious about it". Huge departure from last year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K205OFTa0w

>>16583787
From a business standpoint and from Slugma and Fishman's personalities, they seem to be very risk adverse. Looking at how many good quality vtubers out there now that are just doing pretty well that want to join corpos, there's no doubt that there's no shortage of talent out there. If you come from a place with no history in making stuff, there's no point in picking someone like that because it's risky. You dont know if they're any good in the long run or would they just lose interest in streaming later on and have hiatus problems.

You only have to look at the members of tsunderia and phase connect to see the problem childs and why they're choosing to be less risky for the long term health of their companies.

>>16583882
Oh no, I completely get where they're coming from.
The problem is that if they want people who've "made it", and who are streaming full-time... What the fuck does going corpo offer?
Take Nina as an example. If she joins Tsunderia, she'd switch platform, lose all her current viewers, lose the tight control she currently has, be subject to US laws as well as Dutch, not be able to skirt laws anyway (such as karaoke), and have to start again from scratch.
Unless she kept going, but under their label... in which case, what bonus does Tsunderia have to offer? Cheaper merch production, maybe?

>>16584006
Honestly a good point.
For a successful indie like Nina, I really dont see the point of her joining Tsunderia. Maybe to use the vast amount of music production vtubers they have? However for a 50% cut that's still just not worth it in the long run.
At least for phase connect there's a history of fishman buying things for the talents, buying ads and funding MVs so there is some reason to join them.

I think that's why you see a lot of lower tier vtuber apply to corpos that have stricter restrictions in the hopes of making it bigger than being indie. Look at Prism, their new gen are very low performing vtubers in their past lives. For Phase connect and Cyberlive though, their more generous contracts mean that there is some advantage in joining them as an indie compared to other corpos because they not only offer the same freedom as indies but also advantages of corpos like advertising, merchandising, connections and etc.

>>16582295
...??? I know that, the post I was responding to asked when the latest date a "farewell" stream could be scheduled and that's the answer: 2 months before his debut as Mysta.

>>16583787
First time hearing urara but she sounds very young mid 20s.

>>16583787
>"Yeah, you basically need to work at streaming full-time if you're serious about it"
Surely don't mean right away? Because it's kind of discouraging as someone who knows they're serious but can't afford to do this full-time unless it means being a deadweight to my family. Wish I got into this shit when I was a full-time student but it is what it is.

>>16586231
if you're serious why arent you streaming right now? Nobody's saying they're looking for full time streamers, they themselves hire people who work jobs while having short streaming hours. All they want is a history of content creation and if you're serious about it, you'll find time like an hour or two every week just to stream something.

>>16585919
She's 24

>>16585919
Yeah, I think someone has said she's about 25? For her to have worked in multiple start-ups, I think she's either got an affluent background, or is an actual genius.

>>16586508
Thanks for the clarification. And yeah, I am. Just because someone is lurking here doesn't mean they haven't already begun streaming.

>>16570763
To get over my anxiety of talking to strangers online and get over my dislike of my own voice/accent.
Everything else will just be the cherry on top.

>>16587404
Sorry I thought you were saying that you werent streaming at all in the first place. Good luck anon!

Any tips for initial growth on Twitch? I'm still in the 30s range for follower count but I regularly get 3-5 viewers. Is there something I should focus on besides just streaming more? Like, better titles, thumbnails, etc. ?

Also, does this mean I've somehow made it past being a 2view despite not hitting affiliate yet lol

>>16570763
Because I really enjoy playing videogames, but offstream I have trouble committing to a game for more than 30 minutes without feeling like I'm wasting my time. Streaming gives me a purpose and helps me truly enjoy the game alongside viewers.
Also what >>16587417 said. Still working on that.

What do I need on the VTuber avatar front to start streaming and call myself a "vtuber"? I have literally everything else set up, accounts + name + ideas for a design but I'm hung up on whether I should just use a commissioned png and learn how to rig it myself or pay someone else to do it for me. not concerned about it looking shit if I rig it because I'm very detail oriented

>>16591084
(cont.) or I could just use the png, but I think that would look kinda stupid. Maybe design a smaller side character that I can put on stream to identify myself?

>>16591131
the png is fine

hey. i'm an artist who was picked up to work on a vtuber avatar for a project. im coming here to get some input on it. tell me your thoughts/critiques/etc.

How much would a chara design cost, for something of the same quality as the ones from the niji en males? Just for the design not the live2d

>>16593807
it's aight, the face is way too tall and oval-shaped and I'm confused as to what I'm looking at around the middle section of the outfit. I'm guessing it's just a one piece with a jacket over it? I understand you're going for some absolute territory between the socks and the dress, but it doesn't really work with one-pieces and looks better on normal skirts imo. not a bad concept though

>>16594399
would stockings be better for it then? in lieu of thigh highs

>>16594399
ann sorry, yes it is a one piece with jacket over it.

>>16593807
I think you can afford to exaggerate the features more.
For example bigger ears, fluffier hair, puffier jacket, etc. It will give your design way more personality and a nicer silhouette. I think bulky shoes in particular would look really good here.
When you have small modest features, your brain kinda goes over them instead of allowing them to become a charm point.

>>16594399
I do agree with the stockings, zr feels a bit off when you have no skirt or area to work with. I think socks or tights would work better. Give darker colors a go and see if you like how the palette breaks up.

>>16593807
Make the face more delicate for a girl character. Add more volume to the hair dont make it flat. Put some muscles or little fat on the inner part of the legs. Put her some eye lashes, make her more feminine to look at.

>>16595101
>Give darker colors a go
Like dark stockings?

>>16595107
>Make the face more delicate for a girl character.
Can you give me some examples? What do you refer to here?

>>16594609
stockings could work well, but it might look out of place compared to the rest of the outfit. I think it would be best to have a rough design without the jacket, make sure it looks good, and then put the jacket back on over it

>>16595432
the dress under the jacket is fully drawn and rendered since this model is designed to have the jacket removable. i'll post it in a moment.

>>16595335
not OC, but take a look at other existing models in the age-range that you are going for, compare side by side and make changes as you see fit

>>16595490
the reference i was requested to use was inugami korone, so i modeled the face shape after that.

>>16595432
>>16595481

How you guys decided your vtuber name? Based on something you notice before and still remember? Use something like random name generator?

>>16595631
Not that anon, this is only my own suggestion piece, sorry for the redlining ...

I suggest to colour (but I see you already did that for the ears and irises lineart) some part like the innerside of the upper eyelashes "bright salmon pinkish" and the main face features like chin, mouth and nose linearts so that it feels more "lively"

Still
I think you are doing an amazing job tho, kind artist anon !
Hope they pay you adeguately for your work

>>16595631
I see what you mean when you say you modeled it after koro. I really think making some small adjustments of the face shape will go a long way

>>16596533
(cont.) not "of", "to" and I also forgot to mention that korone's model has more of hair hiding the sides of her face

>>16596255
I just used a name I though sounded good and wasn't cringe inducing based around how I wanted to design my avatar

>>16596255
>Know JP
>My online handle has been the same for nearly 5 or more years
>Said online handle is an official title from a character I like
>Name is a Chuunification of the real name from that character
EZ

>>16596255
I remembered a game i really liked, copied the MC's first name and used another word to make a pun with it

>>16596493
Thank you so much for this advice and for drawing it out, it looks great and has given me a lot of ideas for improvement. i will take what you said to heart, and I appreciate your taking the time, sincerely.

Pray for me friends, I'm getting a lot of my assets in. Content making is within reach!

>>16593932
Only design ?
It really depends on the pricing set by the artist, that is usually what they can run away with their "reputation or following count, clout" + actual technical artstyle.

I believe if I'm not mistaken that the Nijisanji designers set a "price for companies" and not for indies, since no way someone would give away a design for cheap to a company
What to do then, if most artists don't deal with a newbie with no content creation story if you don't even have money ?

I suggest to snag some artist who is a newcomer on the social media scene, a bit unsure on their "worth or price" or even someone usually originating from a "poor valute currency" country like SEA countries, if yourself can pay them with a "stronger currency that converted to theirs will give them buckets load of money"

Also, be sure to have the "commercial use and copyright of the character design"
Might be me who still thinks about what happened to Projekt Melody designer/modeler copyright deal tho

>>16593932
Depends, do you want a full reference or just a concept.

>>16597326
YOOOO
Congrats !!

>>16570780
>>16570894
>>16575274
the money is in providing assets and services to vtubers

>>16570763
To hopefully make friends, find people to play games with. Be creative with making assets for stream/tubing.

>>16570763
Because when someone follows a streamer, they follow them for their "persona(lity)" ...
But I don't like my looks, so nevermind a facecam streamer LMAO

However,
I wanted to be a mangaka as I felt like an empty person ... who wanted to claim to possess a "heart" or be a normal human by making stories ... but as I realised that people after a manga series ends, they stop caring about how the author is living thru and wanted mostly only the content of the manga or basically, "what they can do or provide", I never went thru to become a mangaka ...
When VTubing made a breakthrough, I was floored and had an "eureka" moment of combining storymaking with anime aesthetics of Chuubas ahaha
For streamers, they follow you for "who you are" ... albeit you need to put out content at first to attract people to your "persona"

A bit of blogposting, but at first I wanted to make friends with other Chuubas ... because I believed they might have been socially retarded people like me who believes in anime world ideals LOL
Also realised that everyone is pursuing the idea of "success" and that relationships are just fickle in this sphere ... most times

So now I want to make my "never acted on them" dreams, that is, making manga or Visual Novels that is interactive with the chat, figure out how to make storytelling and worldbuilding and conlangs on stream and eventually if I ever learn coding, to make a protocol blockchain too

Anyone know how to get discord reactive images like this? Specifically with square images

>>16599751
https://discord-reactive-images.fugi.tech/
fugi is probably your best bet; if you want to just be a singular image just use the same image for talking and not talking

Alright, after a lot of thinking (and to my shock: family supports the idea) i'm gonna commit into the idea of creating my own group of friends/vtubers and see how it goes. Question is: i wanna learn how to make riggings (i have shown some of my art here a couple of threads ago, the purple gal with the sword) so i can test out how it works, already checked out the channels in the OP post. What's next in line?

I guess now it's draw an avatar and then rig it? Sorry if this is very amateur, but i don't want to accidentally skip over a step and learn incorrectly.

>>16600545
You prolly know this already, but draw the .psd file with the separated layers for rigging like explained here :
https://youtu.be/ieiioJaznXc

Live2D tutorials I followed from Enma Akatsuki : https://youtu.be/yiIRGzTthII
Live2D tutorials explained by Yoshino Art :
https://youtu.be/uc5h-fXCTmQ

And yeah, after drawing it with separated layers, you rig it next in Live2D
Remember that Live2D has 2 versions, a FREE and PRO
The FREE version is limited in how much imported canvas size can be big, and you can't make lots of "parameters" or "deformers" either ...
You can prolly only rig the bust and up to the face, not a full body I'd say

However, when you first open the Live2D
You can also "opt" for the PRO version ... BUT -
You can only use the Pro that is only a TRIAL for ... 42 days, if I remember correctly

So if you didn't buy Live2D license that is also ONLY subscription available and you need to renew it depending on their plans (monthly, yearly - that also changes if your income is lower or higher than those numbers their shopping page displays), my only suggestion is :
Test the Live2D FREE version first to get accustomed how it works by doing "rigged SCUFFED ... chibi" ?
Then, when you know how it generally works
Draw your model first ... and only LATER do activate the PRO trial mode of Live2D
You have 42 days only ...
I was able to make 2 models this way (sorry, low bragging ...), one for myself and another for a friend who taught me what VTubers actually were ...

Good luck !

>>16601758
oooh boy, this might take a while then, thanks for the help anon. while i don't like having to pay monthly stuff, i guess im out of luck for any bigger projects. still, many thanks.

>>16582286
Why are they seeing your face? Name I can understand if you haven't set up a business account.

>>16570763
I'm an artist so I'm doing it because I can. Also hoping it will get me into playing games again.

>>16602005
You can pirate it if you don't care

>>16593932
Usually a few hundred.

How big do you have to be before you interact in any real way with small corpos?

>>16605665
You don't need to be big, you just need skills (artistic or otherwise) and to prove you either have the potential to create good content, or already create good content. More than likely it'll be the former rather than the latter.

>>16604282
How

>>16605874
Thanks. And then once you can prove that, you just write their management and ask… or go on Twitter and chat in public?

>>16606287
Are you talking about collabs? You do it the same way anyone else does, they typically only collab with people they know, it's gotta be organic just like collating with anyone else

>>16606358
>Are you talking about collabs?
I don’t know anymore, honestly. But I think I got it.

>>16606916
If you want to collab, interact organically and hope they're interested in you, like anyone else. Messaging management to set up a playdate is kind of weird at the smaller level.

If you want to join, have skills or good content and hope you pass the application process.

Can a 30 year old woman be a vtuber

Alright friends, model is about 95% done. Now I've just gotta make all my separate accounts and fuck around with OBS to get things looking somewhat functional for streaming.

>>16608299
of course. you're not even old

>>16608299
Depends on whether you sound like a 30 year old woman. There are plenty of female voice actors working into their 40s doing voices of much younger characters etc.

>>16608299
yes please more hag chuubas

>>16593932
I do these at at least that quality and for the design + reference sheet it'd be anywhere between 150-250 bucks. Smaller artists would probably take less, bigger ones a bit more but that's around the range you should expect for a decent result.

>>16608352
Good job anon!

>>16608299
Absolutely

Does anyone know what good twitch growth looks like or is it just a shitshow.

This year's the year lads. I am finally about to receive a hefty sum of money and will be able to get a HIGH QUALITY model after having a subpar one since 2020. I have been lacking on my reps though so I gotta get consistent if I wanna make my new model worth it.

>>16613367
What does this even mean

Resources for learning how to sing?

>>16613429
post a clip, lets see what you got

>>16613429
There are some in the docs and pastebins. But the truth is I don't know how helpful it'll be if you've never sung before.

hey everyone new PNGtubing software just dropped
https://dreamtoaster.itch.io/honk
has mouse tracking for eyes; its not free but it looks like a neat alternative to Veadotube; the eye tracking in particular looks pretty cool

>pngtubing
>not free
genuinely why the fuck would anybody ever bother

>>16608299
Yep

>>16608352
Set a full day aside to set up OBS.

>>16613429
https://pastebin.com/Di8BsY2h
This is a huge resource, used to be a part of either this OP or another. Bit overwhelming. Start with the video on anatomy, and articles on how the voice works. You might benefit early on from learning a bit about phonetics, I think crash course has some solid videos on the topic. The books are a bit excessive, but among them I can personally recommend https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/20069 and https://files.catbox.moe/lcobyq.pdf, the latter is useful for streaming as well. I've given each of the channels in here a watch for 2-3 videos, the only one you'll need starting out is Trimble. Don't be discouraged that he presents his guidance for opera singing, think of opera as the baseline for proper singing (that sounds more intimidating than it is, promise) - learn the rules before you break them, yadda yadda, someone else in here swears by his videos too, maybe he'll chime in with more guidance on which to watch first, I think the order presented in this doc is fine, but I'd watch the video on identifying the mask first.

>>16615248
This one looks a lot better quality with more options than some of the free ones. Stop acting like 12 dollars is breaking the bank.

>>16615248
>mouse tracking eyes
>more animated mouth
you're not getting that stuff out of veadotube
i'm watching someone using it right now and it looks really nice

>>16596255
I'm basing it off of the username that I've used since at the very latest early 2007, and either going to combine it with a JP family name based off of a location from a certain magical girl anime from a couple years ago, or using the MC's family name instead, but probably not. Also the "gamer handle" is one that I've had for several years now and I guess I might as well use it.

what's the best db you think your normal talking voice should be on OBS? I watched a lot of vtubers and the audio levels are all over the place

I want to give my character a kind of colorful tech wear-style jacket, but at the moment all that I could do was virtually completely copy a jacket from another art from someone else's original character (sans some details on it at the moment)
Shitsux man.

>>16616093
Voice should be in the yellow zone, game audio/music/etc. should be in the green zone, essentially.

I want to register for nizima but it says non-residents can't use the service. I don't want to get myself or the maker busted for tax reasons. Should I just do it anyway or reach out to the maker on social media? What's the proper etiquette here

>>16615169
Realistically how complex is PNGtubing software? Been thinking about getting back into coding

The temperature dropped and now my throat’s all sore. I haven’t been able to sing for two days. Anybody got any advice for getting over it? Cough drops work ok but not great, and every remedy I can find on Google reeks of scam.

>Twitch or YouTube?
Can anyone red pill me on the specifics? Pros and cons and whatnot for a starting chuuba.

>>16617470
Throat coat tea, lots of water, vocal rest. Do not whisper, that's harder on your voice than speaking normally.

>>16617499
Stream on Twitch, upload highlgihts, clips, and trimmed down content to Youtube. The only real pro to YT streaming is users being able to go back in the VOD easier. There's a reason almost everyone streams on Twitch or ends up moving there.

If you could and actually looked good, would you cosplay your model at cons?

>>16618024
No, but once I'm sure I have horny fujos in my fanbase yes

>>16617470
Tea and honey with lemon. No dairy or coffee. A lot of vocalists are super strict on the no dairy thing before a performance. Also tons of resting the vocal cords.

>>16618024
one of my super far off future ideas is to get something like this with my model's design

>>16619868
Migodanye…

>>16596255
First name is the goofy name I usually pick for characters I've created in video games, last name is a reference to some occult literature that's in line with my character's theme. The names are alliterative and hopefully easy to remember

>>16617561
Throat coat tea is one of those things I thought was a scam, good to know it actually works
>>16619866
>hate honey
>hate lemon
>love milk
The things I do for content…

>working on my model
>decide on picking a pokemon game, either yellow or wilds, since they are easy and allow for zatsudan time
>remember Legends is about to be released in 10 days
Well, shit. Should I still go through with it since people will be on a Pokemon mood or it will be a debuff due to people only wanting to see PLA streams?

>>16622982
Just do RTA or endurance streams or something, Yellow isn't that long.

>>16617470
I swear by mint tea, I drink at least a cup daily, and have a glass any time my throat feels congested. No milk, nothing acidic (coffee, pasta sauce), nothing inflammatory (I find avoiding salt/sodium helps, being fit and active is also good for reducing overall inflammation). If you're in a cold spot and have heating on indoors, chances are the air is real dry. Invest in a good humidifier. Maybe even two if your office and room are different spaces. It'll take a few days for your airways to recover from the dryness, at least I've found that to be the case. Also remarkably improved the quality of my sleep.

>>16622982
>play yellow
>attract pokemon fans and viewers
>talk about the new game coming out
>build hype
>get viewers when it comes out

>>16622968
Throat coat really is great. I have asthma and it does wonders for my throat. More like throat goat tea. sorry
>>16623512
I'll have to try mint tea. I've also found that lemongrass tea is pretty good for this kind of thing.
Even if you don't have any tea around the house you can't really go wrong with just drinking hot water. I'm a coffee fiend and was able to ween myself off of it a little by just drinking hot water instead of a second or third cup.

Anyone know how to completely reset Live2D settings? I accidentally deleted one of the automesh presets and everything is messed up now...

>>16623715
i'm afraid that i can't stream PLA on release as i have no switch, though

>>16625307
>spoiler
then why are you worrying about?

>>16625385
Because I don't know if people will be interested in the less burnt out gen 1 game at the time the most >"innovative" mainline game comes out.

>>16625504
you're going to be competing against the literal top 0.01% of twitch whenever a new game comes out. this is autism. do whatever you want just market yourself.

>>16625592
Okay okay.

What you play matters significantly less than how well you play it or how entertaining you make it. No one is looking for new people to frequent in a game category, they're clicking the game category to backseat and feel important. Play what you want, be entertaining in whatever way you choose to do so, and make clips, highlights, etc. Riding a new game wave has never helped anyone unless they were extremely amazing at it.

>>16622968
You might hate lemon and honey, but it has an anti-septic effect. I personally just do cold brew matcha which is astringent but expensive.

>>16626328
Thanks, anon.

On a side note, do custom thumbnails help on Twitch? Can you still make custom thumbnails there?

>>16626845
no thumbnails on twitch but you should be making them anyway for posting onto twitter and youtube vods later.

AAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEE trillion corpo generals-sama p-please don't sage me

>>16616448
>non-residents can't use the service.
Whoops

>>16616448
booth.pm is better and usually has the exact same product if you search for the artist name. live2d and nizima have had payment processor issues in the past probably came up again and why they're preventing foreigners from registering until they fix that shit.

Autist here who has never commissioned anything in their life before now. When’s a good time to follow up if there’s already a work in progress? How about if you’re inquiring for their rates and they never respond?

>>16632686
I’m surprised there’s a lot of decent looking models on there for only like 6000 yen

>>16634546
Most of them are safe to use for stream, the author makes them fairly cheap because they know they'll sell hundreds of copies to animators and VRChat players.

>>16618024
I look like my model, I could. but cons are awful for someone like me who never leaves their house.

>>16608299
yes. you are probably more interesting than a 20 year old. use your age to your advantage.
if you sound 30, thats fine too.
you probably won't have the zoomer audience but you'll attract viewers that are into motherly women.

Should a 30 year old man be a vtuber, though?

>>16635140
isn't joel or whatever his name is 30 something and vtubing as a babiniku doll?

>>16635180
Joel? Did you download boobs again Joel?

>>16635140
Yeah, why not? Like I said to the woman earlier, you're not even old. And like an anon before me said to her, you're probably a little smarter and more interesting to listen to than a 20-something. I'm probably biased since I'm 26, but I can't really see myself being turned off by a content creator being in their thirties even if I were younger

>>16635180
lol 30? he's 23

>>16635140
>>16608299
That's the secret behind vtubers, it's the voice that matters and how interesting you are. A good chunk of the more popular male and female vtubers skew on the older range

>>16635955
>A good chunk of the more popular male and female vtubers skew on the older range
What? Most are in their mid to low 20s.

>>16636040
Well I did say a good chunk like Leaflit, Mint Castella and Randon. I dont want to name more because I dont feel comfortable outing more of their ages except the ones that are already publicly known.

>>16636135
feel like saying "popular" then listing of /here/s might be strange to a lot of /asp/ies that don't pay attention to wvt
though I'm pretty sure there are move than a few holos that are also in the late 20s/early 30s range if hag threads are anything to go by

>>16635140
30 year old man as babiniku is a golden solution of vtuber.

I currently stream 4-5 times a week, 2-3 hours.
Would it be better to do less streams, but longer?

>>16638027
no one here can answer the question of "would it be better" because no one fucking knows. what kind of content do you stream? is your schedule now working for you? all those questions you need to ask yourself.

>>16638027
a decision like that is entirely dependent on your own schedule, there's no better option than what can currently fit into your life

>>16638027
i haven't made it by any interpretation. but i have checked out the stats for other indie streamers who started at the same time as i first did.
the notes:
1 - female buff is real. sexy female model > female model > female voice. if you're a non-passing mtf, you're fucked.
2 - deep voice/daddy vibes can more than make up for female-buff as a male. if you're a VA at all, you can grow a LOT.
3 - art buff is significant for followers, but not for CCV.
4 - play a niche, and lose your viewers when you lose it. play variety, have less in general
5 - longer streams = more viewers. regardless of model gender, operator gender, language, or content. the longer your average stream, the higher your CCV. (this does not imply causation, just correlation)

to add to this, your primary growth will be off-stream.

>>16638027
Streaming less would open up time for you to learn to watch, edit, and clip your content. Streaming 3 days a week for 3 hours and spending some of that time you would've otherwise spent Live and putting it into something that helps with growth is probably a lot more productive unless you've already got an editor.

I'm helping a close female friend to become a vtuber, and she kind of wanted me to be in it to spur conversations and stuff, since I dont think she can handle talking to herself while having zero viewers. Is that a good idea, as in, does having a male voice in the stream put you off from watching it.

>>16640565
>I dont think she can handle talking to herself while having zero viewers
she'll have to learn, what happens when you arent there?

>>16640565
i've seen this one streamer with a male that literally manager larps on stream to the streamer and it was a big turn off. if you're the one dominating the conversation its a big no no

>>16640565
its a weird situation, I don't think it's bad but the only time I've really seen that scenario thrive is if both of them still work on doing their own thing without the other, or if one is popular already. your friend needs to be able to work without you at some point, so it's better if she learns sooner or later so she can grab an audience that's there for her and to interact with her, and not to make the audience the third wheel of the conversations

>>16640614
That's probably the ideal situation.

>>16640649
>>16640685
Thanks, I instinctively feel its a bad idea, just don't know how to put it in words for her. That helps.

>>16640565
I think doing a collab for the first stream is a warning sign that the streamer isn't confident/skilled enough to handle streaming by themself.
I think it'd be better if you and your friend practice the first stream offline beforehand to build up her confident, as well as improving upon any bad habits that your friend may have. Then when your friend does stream for real, just participate in as a viewer se she can have something to bounce upon from time to time without making (You) an actual main participant.

>>16640565
You could always become a duo vtuber group like Sigrid and Bird. I dont see the problem of you being in her initial streams either because everyone sees it as scuff and it's a good way to practice to get better. However it's all up to you and how you feel about the commitment in the long term and whether or not you'd want to become her babysitter in the long run.

>>16635140
I'm a 30 y/o male with no prior experience and I'm thriving (i work a day job). Follow your dreams anon!

I've been streaming with a shitty PNG and im thinking of making a more serious invesment into getting a half body live2D model commissioned. Does anyone have any recommendations or ideas of how to create a OC? Like hairstyles, eye design, clothes and etc. Is there a character creator I can use to try to figure out what I should want?

Im looking to get a more handsome male model but I dont want to go the silly creature designs that /wvt/ likes either.

>>16643863
who

>>16644094
You could probably look to picrew for some ideas

>>16642658
I imagine if you've cemented yourself as being part of the act since the beginning, it could make some viewers who come exactly for that difficult when they eventually leave. Could eventually be or maybe start out as the background guy like how A-chan is to Sora and Inu is to Nekomiya Hinata instead. Doing that has it's own pros.

>>16644094
If you need something as your "basic" to get the ideas, google "character personality generator" can give you a lot of links.

Like:
https://www.rangen.co.uk/chars/appgen.php
https://springhole.net/writing_roleplaying_randomators/basic-character-appearance-anime.htm
(for looks)
https://www.fantasynamegenerators.com/personality-descriptions.php
(for personality descriptions)

>>16644094
Picrew is a great place to experiment.

How does one become more entertaining for zatsudans?

>>16647112
bump, i wanna know

>>16617679
It's also better to use them in tandem because the potential for growth on YouTube is wayyy bigger if you can play the algorithm, and it can transfer over to twitch (in some capacity)

What's the general price range for emotes? My friend wants me to draw her a set of 10 emotes, I don't plan on charging her but in the future I might set up commissions.

>>16651821
average is 30 USD each, some artists do bundled discounts.

>>16652496
Oh wow that's a lot more than I expected

I'm doing them for free right now but I guess in the future is be charging around 250 for a bundle of 10? Does that sound reasonable?

>>16652594
it depends on your art and how well you can make the emotes expressive even at that small size. $30 is for those that do know what they're doing and not everyone charges that much

>>16652496
$30 for one set or only one?

>>16653777
Your reading comprehension reps anonchama...

>>16652594
they're pricy since you have to account for commercial use
you can probably start around 15-25 and raise your price depending on demand

>>16640565
I genuinely click off when I hear a girl talking to a boy in streams, not because of muh gfe, but because the male nearly always acts like a worshipping orbiter and tries way too hard to be funny to make up for the fact that the girl has the personality of a doorstop, which is why she has the man on in the first place
Now, none of this may apply to you, but it's what I've started doing and others might feel similarly

I would also reccomend at least getting a png, be like her little animal companion or something so she's still the focus

>>16654915
What if it's the opposite? lol
I have a male mod who sometimes pops in to my streams and he has a deadpan voice that contrasts with my energetic voice. He was worried that my viewers wouldn't like him but so far they seem to be entertained by him scolding me

Am I schizo for being afraid to link my art twitter to my vtuber identity?

>>16652771
I feel kind of bad. First emotes I got were from someone who basically did a flipbook set of designs to get them, if you get me? They had all the assets, just recolour and stack them.
They were about $4 each.
When I upgraded them, it was a friend's partner, and she'd never done them before, she didn't know what to charge, and asked what I wanted. I gave her a list of ten thing I kind of thought were cool, and said "I want these two, then if you could pick another three? I'll pay up to $75 for the five? Happy to pay up to $15 for up to ten emotes, or up to $20 if you're doing five"
She did all ten, and charged me $65, because I was her first commission.

>>16656481
Why do you want to separate yourself from your artist account? being an artist is a buff, if you drew stuff on stream some will probably know your artist account eventually, you'll get asked to show your older art, etc..

>>16656628
>drew stuff on stream
>you'll get asked to show your older art

>>16656619
>a flipbook set of designs to get them
They're called YCH (Your character here) They are generally cheaper

$65 for 10 emotes that aren't YCH is kinda rough for the artist. Some artists do charge $10 or less per emote when they're starting out, so they practice and make money at the same time

>>16656848
don't show it then?

>>16656848
Furry artist?

>>16656900
They weren't quite YCH, but I know what you mean. And $65 was way under - I'd said I'd be cool with $20 each if she was doing five, or $15 if she was doing all ten (for $100 or $150 total), but she only sent me the bill after she'd done the lot. I checked with her, and she just didn't want to charge more? I'm guessing she wasn't happy with them?

>>16657748
Maybe wasn't happy with how they turned out, yeah. You were her first buyer, its good that a friend was her first customer at least so she doesn't get discouraged that much

>>16656619
What sort of custom emotes does one need to have? I can likely make my own but have no idea what I should be making.

>>16658218
Depends on your model / if you developed some memes with your chat on your stream. A Wave (hi) / Heart / Sad emotes, maybe to start out

>>16656848
If you improved a lot between old times and now, i would say that's another buff.

>>16658218
Celebration, RIP/F/whoops, raid, wiggly, and any injokes

>>16637477
Really? Any examples?
Because I think my L O R E could easily explain why I'm a babiniku.

>>16660961
No one cares about your lore explaining shit. No one cares about your lore. No one who isn't interested due to you being a babi will think "OH WELL HIS LORE JUSTIFIES IT SO I THINK I'LL WATCH". Either pick a male design or debuff yourself, either way don't depend on your lore for anything.

Is the "digital marketing" course in the OP there as a joke or actually helpful for this sort of thing?

>>16669912
it's pretty high level and more useful for actual businesses than chuubas. something more practical is just to post memes on twitter with your model.

>>16665395
I just want to know why 30 something babinikus would work better than younger ones. Gee.

>>16671524
it doesn't. you were replying to a shitpost. fuck your lore no one gives a shit.

>>16671646
>this reaction to even a mention of lore

>>16673447
There's very few situations where talking about Lore here is relevant. "MY LORE EXPLAINS WHY IM A BABI" is not one of them.

>>16671646
Holy shit take a nap faggot

>>16673447
that anon has been doing that for like the past 5 or 6 months you could probably just ignore him, its just some viewer spouting the same kind of trollposts because they have nothing better to do

>>16673818
>that anon
Most of the thread is definitely anti-lore because there's typically no reason to bring it up, and whenever it does get brought up it's things like >>16660961 or people who are too focused on RPing a spaceman or shrine maiden when they'll drop it after the first two weeks when they realize no one likes that.

>>16647112
Unironically, do more interesting things. And I don't mean that in a stupid meme way, I mean that as in, 90% of the quality of a zatsudan comes from doing and experiencing things that you can then talk about. If you don't do anything other than play games and eat and sleep, you're doing yourself a disservice of not having any other wells to draw from when it comes to free talks.

Like, hell, just a part-time job alone can give you a huge amount of material to use in a zatsudan. Talking about customers, coworkers, weird occurrences, you name it.

>>16674607
>>16675695
these two posts back to back have inspired me. here is the true meta for lore: using it to write fun fictional life stories to talk about in zatsudans because nothing interesting happens in your real life

>>16678036
that's called a Vtuber debut. full on RP then never pick it up again

viewer here, i've never watched a chuuba due to lore. it's always been from out of context clips shared by friends.

Viewer here, I exclusively watch chuubas with lore/who play characters
I do NOT give a shit about watching generic twitch streamer number a million and 8 just because you have an anime avatar

>>16559464
streams HAVE to be engaging for people to be willing to spend time watching them, a lot of "chill" streamers call their streams that because they don't know how to be engaging and use this alleged chillness as a barrier to criticism

>>16679373
>Viewer here, I exclusively watch chuubas with lore/who play characters
cringe. i have netflix for this.

>>16679424
You... talk to the people on netflix??

>>16679635
The difficult part is getting them to talk back.

I finally got affiliate! Met the requirements a while ago but I wanted to improve my channel/stream quality before applying. It surprised me how immediate it was!
I want to do some kind of celebration, I was thinking on a karaoke stream for the first time, but I'm sure there should be more fun and original things to do. Any suggestions?

>>16678036
I like how you think, anon.

>>16679373
you are such an insignificant minority that you aren't worth pandering to. glad you like what you like, but you aren't really an audience that's sustainable

>>16680158
What's your CCV? I'd honestly wait because as soon as you accept it, you start getting ads on your channel. One thing I regret is not waiting until 20+ CCV to take the affiliate agreement because the only way to circumvent the pre-roll ads is to run a 30/90/120 second ad that anyone not subbed will see, and that only prevents pre-rolls for about 10, 20, or 30 minutes. A surprising amount of people click off for pre-rolls.

>>16680256
>the mindset of a selfish chuuba who comes up with excuses for his poor entertainer skills
>not streaming for the viewers
ngmi

>>16680618
I mean, he was suggesting to come up with stories that never happened so people with boring lives have something entertaining to tell so it's clearly not someone who isn't thinking of the viewers.

>>16680517
It fluctuates between 5-15. My CCV average is currently 7.9.
I was also put off by the adds but I feel like not having affiliate can also influence negatively on the first impression of your channel. I need more fingers to count the amount of people that asked in chat why am I not affiliate yet.

Would something like Kerin style videos work in the west or would it be considered too lol random and cringe?

>>16680256
I'm a combination of 2 and 3 with sprinkles of 5 am I gmi bros

Lore is for having fun and making banter with your chat. Don't see why some folks demonize it, like yeah the HoloCouncil tier shit is absolutely cringe but that's the outlier.

>>16681575
By all means go for it, especially if your community is looking forward to it.

>>16681805
Does anyone else do this? Are they successful?

>>16682826
No one is demonizing lore, it's fine to have it but it shouldn't be a focus of your stream at all nor should it be something you're expecting or depending on to get you views which is what typically happens here. No one here ever just say "Yeah my lore is that I'm a spaceman so I make references to space once in a while" it's "IM A SPACE MAN SO I CONSTANTLY REFER TO EVERYTHING AS IF IM FROM SPACE AND ROLEPLAY 100% OF THE TIME THAT IM A SPACEMAN AND TALK ABOUT THE DELICIOUS SPACE FOOD I ATE"

>he doesn't want to watch a spaceman chuuba talk about the space food they ate

>>16683201
looking at Spacer's numbers it looks like no one else does either

>>16683344
he's a male pngtuber with a shitty avatar and you're really going to pretend LORE is why no one watches him?

>>16683388
He managed to get raided by Ironmouse twice and turn it into not much of anything, so it sure didn't help keep anyone there

>>16683344
looking at spacer's numbers it looks like no one watches him because he literally doesn't stream

>>16683846
you okay anya
you wanna sing a song?

>>16683388
>LORE LORE LORE LORE
>well of course he's not doing well he's a male
nice goalposts

>>16683388
Male PNGTuber isn't why, it's because he's a RP lorefag. Look at all the other streamers out there. Look at what they do, how they act, etc. They're streamers with webcams, that's it. Almost no one is looking for that type of experience as a viewer. Iron Mouse's viewers actually thought he was cool at first when she watched his clips, and even a few days after raiding but that kind of shit gets old ridiculously fast