/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>16549324
i'm bored of numbers now
what else you got?

>>16549415
VTuber Industry Talk with Phase-Connect CEO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K205OFTa0w

>>16549324
Previous: >>16528732

>>16549324
General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking
>https://youtubeliveen.soraweb.net/ex/バーチャルYouTuber

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/jwfivCFB

>>16549415
You can take a look at non-vtuber numbers every once in a while.

>>16549864
>"You should hire people that like streaming, talent is secondary." -- Sakana and Ura

>>16549864
>Jun at #10
That's insane considering no one outside of Japan even knows he's exists, but Japan is #1 so I guess that makes sense

>>16549864
Genshit got that sweet spot of coomer and fujo audience also ensemble stars that high but not twisted woderland huh.

>>16550168
You could say the same for #1 in that list.

>>16549864

>Jun and Dream mogged by a half 2D half 3D boy

SutoPuri domination

>>16549864
>3 spics in top 5
how?

>>16550036
Shut the fuck up Urara, name one Tsunderia Vtuber with talent

>>16550269
Disney killed twisted with no content.

>>16550388
Look at their twitch numbers.
Ibai had a 700k+ new years countdown stream.

>>16550036
Meanwhile you have Council. Talentless AND they don't like streaming.

>>16550388
They are Spaniards but yeah they have crazy amount of viewers is mostly minecraft/cod/normalfag content, hispanics viewers bring a lot of numbers but no money.

>>16550388
Younger audiences probably tired with their local entertainment and can't understand English to watch/pirate western tv shows/movies

>>16550484
I wonder if the global version will flop or help it incline funny enough ensemble stars also getting a global version, is it the age of fujos?

>>16549324
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
I DONT UNDERSTAND

>>16549864
Is fujo fanbase big on Twitter?

>>16549324
Wait, when the fuck did Gura jump to 3.75? She was at 3.72 like, a week ago.

>>16551022
>>16549324
hehehe nutting personel kiddo

holokeks???

>>16551121
She gained 80k just this month.

>>16550585
What the fuck was loserbait thinking with this? Why didn't he just ask the JP scouting department do it? HoloX was a grand slam so the talent for scouting is still there.

So Gura will hit 4 million in april..

Sasuga shark.

>>16550036
Does she always talk like ThEAth?

Crazy to think if Fauna wasn't streaming now, we would have another day where no ENs are streaming during EN primetime.
She might even get 10k on fucking House Flipper at this rate due to no competition.

Gura has done 1 stream this week and Ame's last stream was 5 days ago.

>>16549464
>CCV is the most important thing

>>16551078
that's where they all went when tumblr died

>>16551393
Myth
>Kiara 50.4
>Mori 44.5
>Ame 23.9
>Ina 21
>Gura 20.7

>avg: 32.1

Council
>Baelz 31.4
>Sana 26.7
>Fauna 19.4
>Mumei 18.5
>Kronii 17.3

>avg: 22.66

HoloX
>Koyori 82.2
>Iroha 39.7
>Lui 37.4
>Chloe 15.4
>Laplus 15.3

>avg: 38

councilbros...

>>16551620
yeah she has a pretty bad lisp

>>16551637
I hate to say,HoloEN are losing to NijiEN.
They are no competitive and lazy as fuck.

>>16551637
>Ame's last stream was 5 days ago.
Damn...

>>16551736
>Koyori has streamed more than the top 3 council members combined

>>16551907
Koyori was bad pick they said.kek

>>16551736
Holy shit I thought that Iroha was slacking when i compared her to Koyori but it really is just Koyori grinding like hell

>>16551907
>Pink doge is really addicted to streaming
She wasn't joking when she visited Sakura shrine.

>>16551694
Don't be reductive, they talked about a lot of stuff there.

CCV is the most important for a streamer because it directly influences pay, the money you can get from your audience.
If subs are more important to you
Growing on YT depends more on offline content - shorts, videos, vods.
Growing from just streaming happens more naturally on Twitch, you should go there if video making isn't wat you want to do.
in just.

>>16551736
Irys is in league with ame and ina. Shes honorably myth.

>>16551792
This is what happens when you're handed shit. NijiEN sucks balls as entertainment but they work and being out there is more important than anything else. I have deep respect for NijiEN that I cannot give HoloEN. JP girls fucking work and work hard even when they have easy popularity. The person handed the biggest silver spoon in vtubing of all time, Hakui Koyori, basically averages two streams a day.

>>16551736
What would it take to make Council wake the fuck up?
A successful Gen 3?

>>16551637
HoloEN wtf
Are they kneeling to Luxiem?

>>16552084
I wish Laplus was this addicted... She barely streams by HoloX standards.

>>16552199
Laplus streams a lot, she just does short streams.
Most of her streams are 1 hour and they still get great numbers.

>>16549464
This is a great stream.

>>16552186
I doubt they care about Luxiem's numbers until they start getting those numbers during EN hours

>>16551736
When will this board recognize that EN is shit? Their only copout is muh gura.

>>16552274
I know. I see her all the time but she leaves me wanting more. Iroha seems to stream enough to be in our faces but not enough that she's always on the telly.

>deleted
well that was a quick one, keep it up

>>16552199
McD Hotspot please understand.
She's moving confirmed, right?
>>16552162
Mumei is fine. I don't watch the rest. The vtweeter needs to graduate though.

>>16552351
Good numbers
Gura
Mori's music
>Under par
Everything else HoloEN does

>>16552162
Nothing. It's their personality. They could be NijiEN female numbers and they wouldn't care. Where is the ambition? If you bother to apply you should bother to care. I pray every day that the scales fall from their eyes.

>>16552351
HoloEN dodgeball

>>16552199
She does shorter streams because she also has a lot of collabs and promos this month (and bad internet).
She was in what, 16 streams in the 16 days so far? Was just a few hours ago in the Hololive NND promotional stream.

>>16552162
I think competition wouldn't do it. They are going to make a comfortable living no matter what.
Ambition and work ethic should be a primary scouting factor for the next generation. They need to find someone hungry, metaphorically and also literally

>>16552155
>NijiEN sucks balls as entertainment
t.holobrony

>>16552162
Their membership numbers need to die out. Right now they are coasting on the passive income because they all have a ton of memberships, I feel like it is contributing to the laziness. EZ money, EZ life.

>>16552351
EN is a frustrating waste of potential.

>>16552774
Soo, Holostars EN?

I mean, there's literally no one in Holo left trying as hard as the Stars.

Writing this as Astel is singing his heart out in his 4th stream in the last 24 hours, 12 hours of streams in total.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx3Orjo7puM

>>16552815
I am, unapologetically.
I still respect NijiEN a lot though.

>>16552774
HoloX was well done. A few people with a lot of ambition, a few people with strong work ethics, and some of them with a chill personality. Not every member is like this but each quality is in at least 3 of them. Makes me wonder what went wrong with the scouting team with council.

The pekoraschizo in this thread is nijifag...

>>16552989
No ,all they need are girls who love streaming.

>>16551259
This shark's a goddamn algorithm monster. I can't believe people were delusional enough to think Chloe could beat her sub record to 1 million

>>16553040
>Makes me wonder what went wrong with the scouting team with council.
I honestly think they played themselves and made it a priority to find people that weren't "in it for money" which in reality just translated to people that weren't ambitious.

>>16553040
Council has great talents and potential,
but they are Andrew Wiggins kek.

>>16552351
HoloEN = 11 gura

>>16553255
>Wiggins
He has more work ethic than council. They remind me more of Derrick Coleman, if you're old enough to remember him. Could have been the best of all time if he gave a shit.

>>16553143
>goddamn algorithm monster
It's not just the stream clips. Her karaoke clips are probably collectively gaining several hundred thousand views a day.

>>16553040
>Makes me wonder what went wrong with the scouting team with council
>scouting

>>16553255
>Council has great talents
Where? There's no prolific streamer, the ASMR one is mediocre at ASMR, none of them are particularly great at singing, none of them are organizing big exciting collabs or anything, and the fucking artist doesn't do art on stream.

>>16552989
Why is he collabing with sonicfox?

>>16553040
>scouting
>He still thinks Cover scouts people instead of reviewing applicants

>>16553040
Should've listened to Mel or Azki input for scouting pick desu
They got us EN best streamer : IRyS
too bad EN management decided to debuff her hard with that model

>>16553055
and a bug

>>16553040
>what went wrong with the scouting team with council.
Ina wasted a slot with Sana instead of someone that actually want numbers.

>>16553164
Omega & EN management too busy cockblocking Chammers&Coc*ck for a whole year to do quality scouting. So once again, it's all Coco's fault.

>>16553536
The only world class thing they have is Sana's art. Kronii isn't the best VA in the world, Mumei is okay at singing but not amazing, and Fauna isn't great at ASMR. Bae would be decent if she just ignored the troon and played to her strengths. She isn't world class at anything but I feel there is potential with her that I don't feel with anyone else.

IRyS is more talented than them. That was a good pick even if they gave her a shitty model.

>>16553636
How many applications do you think they get?

>>16553055
Well duh no surprise there.

>>16553646
Irys with a high tier hag model would pull insane numbers.

>>16550388
high quality streamers
very social culture
famous soccer player stream and collab with big streamers. They are turning to them for interviews over traditional sport journalists

>>16553734
Thousands.
Everyone in Myth said they applied regularly so where do you guys get the idea that Cover actively scouts people?
Oh right, the voice in your heads.

Does Holo has something big for today scheduled? Niji has a 3D stream and probably will be the highest thing from them

https://youtu.be/H5XL09SfFbo

The line up is kinda.. well, maybe 30k? The announcement for this on twitter got 11k likes and this is very low for NijiJP twitter lol

https://twitter.com/rena_yorumi/status/1481961017168982018

>>16553734
The worst part is that no one is acting as the gen leader. It looks like Bae was supposed to be the leader but she can't lead shit and is too scared.
Instead it's Myth organizing everything for Council.

>>16553877
Someone has to review those applications and those that do have to make assessments which includes scouting work like reviewing their body of work. Scouting isn't just jumping in the wilderness and finding people to offer jobs.

>>16551907
She's a streaming monster like Pekora and Watame

>>16553883
Wow they made a trailer for this?
Chaika is pretty popular for 3D but Rena and Rion are debuffs.

>>16551907
I find it hilarious that one of the biggest criticisms against her is that she's 'trying too hard'. Streaming too much, calling into too many streams, etc. Must be nice to have that as an issue coming from Council.

>>16553877
What would you call an employee that has to review thousands of performer applications, judge 5 minute sizzle reels, and stuff like that? I always thought the industry standard term for such a person would be "talent scout". I guess hiring manager could fit but that seems more like someone who hires code monkeys or something

>>16553734
I'm curious are there other EN vtubers that have world class talent?

>>16553957
I think the problem is they tried to go for non streaming/gaming skills as a priority and it blew up in their face when most of Council doesn't even like streaming. Sana is the most baffling when she would have easily kept up with her genmates by just doing drawing streams.

>>16554084
Council doesnt look like a gen,
they just look like JP gen4 without Coco.

>>16553055
lmao you cannot imagine my shock

>>16554084
And we have Ayame and Toya who worshiped here even though rarely streaming.
In the end, they need to stream smartly

>>16554235
Hey don't lump watame with council, she is by far one of the most hard working member in Hololive

>>16554235
>who

>>16554235
They don’t have that same “unity” feeling that Gen 6 and Myth had.

>>16554235
Council more like JP2 than JP4

>>16554449
Gen 2 put in the work early. Their 2022 selves aren't their 2018 selves.

>>16554318

Ayame is a special case but Toya streams what he is best at: Zatsudan and viewer participation stuff. Like, he is just really good at talking and presenting things on collabs (No wonder he is the go guy for Niji events). You will rarely see pure gaming stuff from him because he knows he is not the best at it too.

>>16553740
this, or you know.. Aloe model

>>16554511
Subaru is the only gen 2 that streams consistently now... Choco sometimes too when she's not sleeping 48 hours straight

>some anon outs the schizoposter as a bug nijinigger
>suddenly a lot of samefagging in the thread trying to drown that post

>>16554449
JP2:
Aqua Ayame Shion Shuba Choco

When you have this lineup,
you dont give a fuck about "unity"

>>16553055
lol what a fucking loser.

>>16554630
>Shuba Choco
They get along well.
>>16554630
>Aqua Ayame Shion
This was a killer trio in the early years.

>>16554394
Council has many problems but I don't think unity is one of them

>>16554705
Yes, gen2 doesnt need "unity"thing,
they are doing fine now.
Choco just got 14K yesterday.

>>16554318
They are worshipped here as in this thread because they get great numbers in an unconventional way.
On the wider board Ayame at least is one of the most shitposted vtubers out there.

>>16554630
if somehow we can get another glimpse of pre idol route aqua, addicted and motivated choco again in 2022...

>>16554966
>they are doing fine now
3 of them are literally on semi-hiatus for most of the year.
They bring in numbers whenever they do stream, but that's not "fine".
If Hololive only had 2 gens, people would be roasting them too.
Their flaws are just covered up by the other gens filling timeslots.
And before you say this is just recent, Shion and Ayame have always been inconsistent with their streaming hours since 2019.

Surprised no one mentioned here but all NijiEN memberships are paused.

>>16555122
Ayame was consistent till mid/late 2020.

>>16554705
Pardon me for being new, how were Gen2 numbers in the olden days? When did they stop being active? I only know of Aqua becoming less active in 2021 and Ayame was already a ghost member then. Obviously they weren't like this back when hololive was just Gen1&2. When did it happen?

Monday morning is so low.

>>16555291
What on Earth are you talking about?

>>16555363

>Zelda

Lamy should just speed up and finish this asap. Very numbers poison and she is at episode 14 now...

>>16555428
https://twitter.com/nijisanji_world/status/1482865249493479425?s=21

Niji losing again huh?

>>16554394
>>16554802
Council didn't had a trial by fire like Myth did and this makes them look less cohesive, even tho they have way better chemistry than debut Myth

>>16555488
Prevent to be culled?
What a bunch of numberfags.

Today's superchats, missing Ui at $22.6k as per Holostats

>>16555488
Seems like a nothingburger.

>>16554623
cope

>>16555645
What did Ina do to prompt her getting that many donos?

>>16555645
Does that make it 3 days in a row males have been number one in superchats?

>>16554235
council feels more like gen 1 more than anything really

>>16555645
>Koyori
What an earner.
>Patra
She had a collab with meh Nijis though.

>>16555645
where's pomu?
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCP4nMSTdwU1KqYWu3UH5DHQ

>>16555765

anon, read the post again...

>>16555843
dang it...

>>16555729
she joked about a Tako Bank and people started SCing to be funny

>>16554090
I don't know about JP stuff, but in the states we call that a Casting Director.

>>16555897
Reminds me of when Kiara jokingly membership begged and got around 100+ memberships in a few minutes.

>>16555488
Just YT doing YT things again.

>>16555488
They may be changing personal information, as happened recently with JP.

>>16549324
i hate that stupid face

>>16556116
>jokingly

>>16555794
>>16555802
Anons your date reps.... Patra's stream today was showing off her studio and all her very expensive ASMR equipment which obviously prompted a lot of SCs, and Pomu's $2.6k stream was yesterday, she just barely missed that chart

>>16555785
>gen 1
I wish there is Fubuki-like holo exists in Council or even in HoloEN

>>16556116
>Kiara
>jokingly begged

>>16552128
Their business model pretty much depends on SCs and probably to a much lesser extend memberships. Their views are so low the ad rev is gonna be jackshit, so a bigger VOD after the fact won't help them. In reality, their VODs probably never grow anyway because they have no algorithm presence so after a day or two they're gonna reach their final number and sit there like that until the end of time.

>literally just 2 chuubas from holo and niji streaming right now

>>16554235
Gen 4 puts in too much effort compared to council.

>>16555785
>gen 1
imagine if we had another haachama, someone who can unironically go toe to toe with her energy...
speaking of haachama, I saw someone on /hlgg/ say she's going to purposely demonetize herself? what the fuck?

>>16556545
It's Monday morning after all

>>16554235
Council are just gen 5 but better, not exactly a high bar to set tho

>>16556733

>Gen 5 but better
>Lamy alone has streamed more this month than Bae, Sana and Fauna together

>>16556733
>better
Lamy = top 3 council

>>16553734
irys is unironically a better video game commentator than any of council

>>16552162
>What would it take to make Council wake the fuck up?
>A successful Gen 3?
Pretty much. It happened with he rise of Gen 3, Coco, early Myth, and now HoloX.
An overly competitive gen three, one that likes streaming, thats ambitious enough to do their own events, and is unabashedly akasupa baits will motivate Council and reinvigorate Myth. With that said, there are always going to be 'lost causes' not matter what.

>>16556480
>their VODs probably never grow anyway because they have no algorithm presence so after a day or two
I never thought about it but this is true. I'm subbed to a lot of small corpo vtubers and will often see them live streaming in my recommendations. I've never seen a single one of their VODs show up but month old Ookami Mio VODs will show up.

>>16554090
recruiter

>>16556733
>Better
Okay gen5 schizo time to take your meds. Even Nene does better ASMR than Fauna and that’s supposed to be her niche

>>16551637
It's also sunday too fucking crazy that there are too many days that are far more dry than pre council. What the fuck happened with the scouting you shitty Omega?

noone streaming right now.
instead of streaming to shill her new song she's just tweeted.

Cover should fire all En managers. They did a shit job.

>>16554110
Talking about world class talent is a meme anyways.
If there really was someone with a world class talent in something like singing or voice acting, they would be a professional in that field rather than be a vtuber.
For a vtuber, having high specs doesn't mean anything if you aren't a good entertainer first.

Forget about EN, even for JP, Pekora, Marine, Miko, Kuzuha...etc all don't have any world class talents, but they're some of the biggest vtubers because they're funny and good entertainers.
There are dozens of Vsingers that are way better than them at singing, but their covers get 1/10th the views.

>>16557220
This. It's criminal how incompetent they are. If I was in charge I'd have Council graduated and executed.

>>16557113
Fauna did her job already today, Kronii and Irys stream at 8 PST/11 EST. Bae and Mori stream even later than that. Mumei is debutting a song in 2 hours.
This is Gura and Ame's timeslot, today has nothing to do with Council.

>holoen is mogged by vshoujo


bros...

>>16556733
Gen5 are better than your Council lazy hags.

>>16557333
Gura and Ame don't want to stream anymore.

>holo earth

>>16557220
With over two thousand auditions, why did they hire someone who was still in school instead of a full time streamer? At least with Haachama, she was hire way before Hololive was a big deal

>>16557518
>holo space
:)

>>16557544
We all no the reason: PL numbers.
Fauna? PL numbers
Kronii? PL numbers
Sana? Ina
Bae? Probably the only time they did their job.
IRyS was a layup so that doesn't count.

What kinda view counts would EN chuubas get streaming on their personal accounts with a facecam? When Kiara did it that one time she made a fucking killing, ironically way more successful than her vtuber streams. Kson proved that it's a way better way to make money without Cover stealing 30%+. Amelia should say fuck it and just stream on twitch on her off days.

>>16557768

>ironically way more successful than her vtuber streams

How much was it?

Will numbers keep track if collab with males affect holos numbers?

Cover should fire unpopular one like sana,mel,choco

>>16556480
It's so unfair. How do we topple Hololive algo dominance? These smaller corpos deserve a part of the algo too.

>>16557818
I think like 35k or so. Way more than even her outfit reveal which was embarrassing low, somehow beaten by all of Council including Sana.

>>16557817
Didn't affect Bae's numbers, didn't affect Mori's numbers, didn't affect Kiara's numbers.
If they're streaming their POVs, that collab would get low views because EN viewers don't care about Iofi and Aruran, not because they're collabing with a male.

>>16557817
They’re harmless and well aware that flirting with a Holo is a death sentence.

>>16557817
I bet this pic is from reddit

Vox genshin
Mysta Apex
Prediction?

>>16558005
>stars are on the leash
True, I forgot about that.
>>16558037
I got from hlgg but yeah, it is.

Council will be a game changer for holo because male collab

>>16557822
>Fire Mel and Choco
What a fucking idiot

>>16558186
>Vox genshin
6k like usual. He's had 5 6k genshin streams at this point that you wouldn't expect much more or a huge drop.
>Mysta Apex
6 to 8k.

They're overlapping tho so might be lower than expected for both.

100k votes, 14k likes

>>16558186
Will mog Kuzuha.

>>16558295

twitter cull....

>>16558186
Vox did fujo stream yesterday,
he will be at 9K with fujo buff.

Apex is debuff for Mysta fem audiance,
7K

>>16556733
Lamy stream in their time spot more time than they do

>>16558315
Vox already did yesterday. To be fair, Kuzuha is playing with a handicap with that VaLULrant shit

>>16558562

Kuzuha peak was higher than Vox, no?

>>16558501
>Vox did fujo stream yesterday,
he will be at 9K with fujo buff.
he dropped from 13k to 9k once chaarcter creation ended
6-7k afew more if he decideds tho whale at some point.

>>16558220
Except Holos have collabed with males a lot of times prior to this and nothing changed.
Especially Aruran, who networked a lot and collabed a lot just to sit at 200 views at the end of the day. He needs to stream smarter.
>>16558562
King peaked higher, please.

>>16558562
kuzuha got 15k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTb_AvLchgY
Laplus' God-ish cover hit 6 million.

>>16557841
Use other sites. Hololive dont dominate TikTok.

>>16558690
This took 47 days.
For comparison, Ayame's Goodbye Sengen took 50 days.
The only Holo songs faster to 6 million is Reflect and CalliGura KING.

Laplus is the real deal.

>>16558815
Lapcunny I kneel!
May your new house have high speed internet!

>>16550388
They're the future of VTubing, baby!

>CCV is the most important for vtuber afterall.

CCVchads we won

>>16558815
And people think Rokkisei wasn't a gland slam.

>5k waiting for Mumei OG song with 1 hour left

so much people that could be watching a stream in the meantime...

>>16559010
tabs are a thing. Also tabs existing is why numbers are so good

>>16559010
Expectations?

>>16559010
.... this gonna mog the hell out of Spark of Joy right bros?

>>16559010
>So much

Looking at the song view growth ranking, Ochame and CalliGura KING really shot up after Kuzuha's KING reached 30M huh, lmao.

>>16549864
>Thailand
>Indonesia
>Philip

no wonder genshin got #1 place.

>>16559125
Of course.
IRyS is the weird case where she doesn't get an "EN Buff" for her music.

>>16559125
No. Council is a failure. It will be panned as the worst single in HoloEN.

>>16559003
I don't think anyone not trolling can say Gen 6 was a flop.
They have excelled in every numerical metric.

>>16559137
Omg Chinks are everywhere.

>>16559125
Spark of Joy is EN version of smile & go, everyone passed it at some point.

>>16559125
It's going to beat Sparks of Joy on day 1.
The trailer for A new Start has 40k more views than Sparks of Joy.

>>16553040
>what went wrong with the scouting team with council.
They dont have picrel

>>16559003
Gen 6 should be the role model on how they should do future gens.

>>16559211
HoloEN fans were. You can't even talk about them in global without people calling you out for being off topic.

>>16559297

>The trailer for A new Start has 40k more views than Sparks of Joy.

ok now that's kinda sad

Fact - 814k
My song - 728k
天使のagape - 499k

>>16559125
All of Irys songs are incredibly badly promoted/marketed. Hell most of the songs took weeks/months to actually be on her channel at all, and where not announced/promoted premieres.

>>16557296
This is why you're not in charge

>>16559308
Myth fucked up by telling them to take it easy

>>16559209

>>16559209
Why are you so angry about COuncil?

>>16559685
She's a seething 2view

>>16559437

>>16555363
>>16555467
>Zelda
Seriously how does it take for her to finish this game!?

>>16559685
Its a falseflagger, the same ones that latch onto anything they can spin for drama/you counts.

>>16559501
>>16559333
Fuck off

Make sure you go into Mumei's song premiere and leave a dislike. Let her know that collabing with males is NOT ok. IRyS would never collab with males.

>>16559209
HoloEN - New Year's outfit

>Gura 50,982
Kronii 48,121
Mumei 41,789
Baelz 40,367
>Mori 38,821
Fauna 34,918
>Ame 32,958
>Ina 31,352
Sana 25,990
>Kiara 21,66

>>16559809
>culled vs unculled

>>16559841
EN is still getting culled.

>>16559809
This proves that Council is stronger than Myth. Myth obviously has Gura who carries hard but Council is a lot more well rounded in their ability to draw an audience.

HoloEN needs 3 things now:
1.Talents can stream six hours each day.
2.Streaming different games besides MC ,Pokemon and Apex.
3.Doing "Boxpushing" just like what Luxiam did.Fuck,if Coco is still there..

>>16559864
There is a difference between the slap on the wrist cull everyone got last year and the one we just experienced that culled people by as much as 90%.

>>16559895
>Talents can stream six hours each day.
Kiara, Mori, Sana
>Streaming different games besides MC ,Pokemon and Apex.
Just about all of them

>>16559806
Are you lost? This is numbers, not hlg

>>16557817
JPmale collabs are fine in general as they fully know and respect Hologirls idolity (also kinda entertaining seeing them tip-toe-ing around the girls). ENfaggots tho...

>>16559895

>Minecraft

if they played on the holoserver it would be good for numbers

>Pokemon

no one is playing it anymore

>Apex

literally no one does regular apex on holoen besides some ocasional stream from ame

HoloEN needs 3 things now:
1.Talents can stream six hours each day.
2.Streaming different games besides MC ,Pokemon and Apex.
3.Doing "Boxpushing" just like what Luxiam did.Fuck,if Coco was still there..

>>16559895
>Streaming different games besides MC ,Pokemon and Apex.
Who is still streaming MC, pokemon and Apex?
What the fuck are you even talking about?

>Doing "Boxpushing" just like what Luxiam did.Fuck,if Coco is still there..
What does this even mean?
Ngl I get really annoyed when people treat Coco like some deity just because she graduated.

>>16557822
>>16558292
I swear to god i've seen this before!
>A-are we in the timeloop bros?

>>16559003
>gland
>hehe

>>16557817
That's a great lineup, and I'm happy for pizza dad to get to try speaking english. Dude is based beyond belief.

>>16559895
>myth outfit relay ends
>collab ends
>no one streams
>council outfit relay ends
>collab ends
>no one streams
I really really really hope NijiEN starts doing better, they deserve it, not these lazy whores

>>16560027
They need someone with ambition. They need to stand on the shoulders of giants instead of sitting down and acting like it's a nuisance to be in the company. "Intangibles" picks do not win championships. They need a HoloX, not Council but worse. There is a reason most people hate Council and it isn't from schizophrenia.

>>16560168
>great lineup
Fuck off. If you want to see intergender collabs that means you are a cuck.

>>16560207
>There is a reason most people hate Council
Yeah, schizophrenia. Nobody hates council aside from a handful of shit posters from here. Get some perspective Nijinigger.

>>16560207
>There is a reason most people hate Council and it isn't from schizophrenia.
Ogey schizo

>>16560208
>numbers
They're not even in Japan to fuck or whatever, also Aruran lost his dick before he joined Holo, it just dropped... or something.

>>16560208
You're in the wrong thread

>>16560027
They ironically need 2 person that "lead" and the la creatividad. Myth was saved with Kiara leading them in pushing collab and stuff. Ame also trully play her role as de facto leader by showing languange barrier can be breached.
>also
Her many la creatividad group projects help strenghten their bond

>>16560256
I love hololive. Council's mere existence is disrespectful to hololive. Maybe not everyone hates them but you know what is worse? People don't care about them. Nobody is getting into hololive thanks to council. No big name artists tie themselves to them.

>>16553908
&IRYS

>>16557817
What if the Stars catch CCVID...

>>16560197
I would be funny if HoloEN got beaten up by their laziness not Luxiem or Chinks.

>>16560405
damn bro, they gonna lose 10 viewers, they shakin' rn

>>16560389
Nice try nijinigger, no one is buying it.

How do we save the NijiEN girls?

>>16560471
1k+ views is better than 99% of streamers

>>16560504
>Celebrating 1k.
Pathetic cope.

>>16560471
Dont worry,NijiEN boys will teabag them.

>>16560471
Change their gender.

>>16560504
They're lower than the failure Gen that is Council. That's just pathetic.

>>16560504
Fallback cope is worthless. While 1k is certainly top 10% in the industry it's not exactly good, it's just that there's way more doing worse.
Reminder that they have the Anycolor brand on top of their heads.

>>16560168
No matter how based you think he is all of the homos are number cancer and the girls get absolutely nothing out of collabing with them, just all downsides

>>16559191
>IRyS is the weird case where she doesn't get an "EN Buff" for her music.
At this point, she's more known for being a streamer than a singer.

>>16560389
It still boogles me how little council receive critism outside of /here/. People were hard on myths even today. That's why we have calli doing better on streaming and actually gave a fuck about holo. Even Ame and kiara got called out from time to time still. Why nobody voice any critics againt council? Do holofags just not care about them?

>>16560469
Nope, never have and never will watch Nijisanji. I don't appreciate Council.

>>16560611
They get relationship points. Maybe Aruran will bring up and push EN's 3D the next time he meets Yagoo.
>>16560676
Someone is going to call you a last samurai now, in 3.... 2... 1...

>>16560676
Bro I can look up the memberships thread too

In the wake of Luxiem's success, can we conclude that NijiEN females' low numbers is not a branding problem now?

>>16560650
EN singers are doing better than Council at streaming.

Apparently Omocat accidentally used their spoilage reserve as part of their stock and is having some difficulties with restocking. I would love to see their numbers and what the turn around time on production is for them. You have to assume minimum 10k production runs right? What were their presale projections and are they kicking themselves for undershooting? Or is the scarcity effect working in their favor?

>>16560650
>Do holofags just not care about them?
Council doesn't even care about Council.

>>16560650
No one cares about council. It's a fate worse than death, they just inspire nothing from most. No love. No hate. No passion.

>>16560740
You won't find it.

>>16560779
>being female in nijisanji
It is a branding problem.

>>16560650
That's a sign that all the "criticism" are in fact "schizo ramblings" that people who are terminally /here/have convinced themselves are actually worth something

>>16560779
>can we conclude that NijiEN females' low numbers is not a branding problem now?
That is 100% a branding issue. Management are the ones who can fix it, not the talent.

>>16560650
The only 2 sites they will check are tweeter and plebbit, and there you can delete posts or ban people from saying mean things to you :(

EN had an initial wave of stigma because >not japanese, but they got molded into the mostly better versions we see today
Council is the shoe in, and it seems like only Bae is interested in bettering herself, and IRyS asks for feedback, which is why she's wanting to go from "Vsinger" exclusively, to "Vtuber/Vsinger"

>>16549324
Damn that Shark's numbers are out of this world.

>>16560866
No, it just means there is no impact to even be mentally ill about. Maybe I'm being harsh and they're good people who don't deserve being dumped on but that doesn't change the fact that few feel anything for them. Passion drives everything and when people see council they think "oh, it's them. okay, that's cool. when is hololive back on?"

>>16559501
IRyS should be Kiara-levels of shameless when she promotes her songs.

>>16560866
Sooner or later this place will become something like r/LSF but vtubers. I can understand why LSF streamers want to be banned. They want to rest but don't want to be seen as lazy by their fans so the ban is the way

>>16561018
>the fact that few feel anything for them. Passion drives everything and when people see council they think "oh, it's them. okay, that's cool. when is hololive back on?"
Holy schizo. Get some help, retard.

>>16561018
>no impact to even be mentally ill about
He says when the catalogue is wall to wall with "why did council flop" threads.
Do you even fact check your own posts or do you need someone to educate you about how what goes on in your head is not the same thing as what is actually happening?

>>16560027
IRyS could unironically be all of that; she just can't stream as much because of her Vsinger shit

You know what makes Council look worse?
Vox is not even on the same level with Kronii.If Kronii read some fan twitter shits like Vox did,she could get far better number than him,like 14K CCV.

Is Nacho still under CCVID?
https://youtu.be/axiiktq19pk

>>16561199
No that sounds about right for her

>>16560027
>HoloEN needs to basically be NijiEN
After so many impromptu collabs of the girls/guys shooting the shit, listening to Mori's teatime with Fauna and Sana felt like they were reading a PG rated script

Oh hey, Mumei will stream after the premiere

https://youtu.be/wFrMtF6wwHo

'Part I' too. second part will probably be a karaoke or something

>>16560712
> They get relationship points. Maybe Aruran will bring up and push EN's 3D the next time he meets Yagoo.
Unless he has tied with the prime minister of Japan, EN are not getting their 3D

>>16561199
I don't know I was going to look up her numbers but then my dick smashed through the ceiling

>>16561199
1.2k for a mama is extremely high.
Look at Ayamy.
Not everyone is Ui averaging 10k CCV.

>>16561263
This amount of likes used to give her 3k

>>16561038
My guess is that she doesn't feel as invested since she's not paying for any of it.

Hololive didn't go from zeros to heroes by taking it easy and not improving, they stood proudly on Sora's shoulders and worked harder and harder until they got their break. Council basks in the sun created by their seniors and know no darkness. I see more HoloJP in NijiEN than I do in HoloEN.

>>16561265
They are working on it,
Pizza Papa collab is first try.

>>16561437
Decent analogy, but please bring numbers with you next time

>>16561437
Nigger this is not your 2view bitching ground, piss off

15k waiting room for Moomer song

>>16561437
I thought that said Zenos

>>16561198
Pandering to coomers is only worth it if you truly need the number and Kronii doesn't need that much

>>16561437
Did you failed EN2 audition or something? If so then I'm glad you're not in.

>>16559885
This makes me laugh, does Councilfags really love to try and make their chuuba look good, cull vs uncull and remember it's council 1st outfit reveal LMAO

>>16561437
nijien = holojp
holoen = nijijp pretty much

>>16561564
16.5k before the cull started

>>16561592
What kind of retard even types like this?

These many people waiting for anything HoloEN related.

>>16561572
Councilfag is actually Fallenshadow. The Faunaschizo has been quiet ever since they decided to be schizo about Council as a whole instead.
Stop lurking here Fallenshadow, it's bad for your depression.

>>16561511
If you think that's going to be anything resembling NijiEN you should think again. It'll likely be a pretty safe collab, if Ollie the crazy batshit wildcard doesn't do anything stupid that is.

>>16561592
Jesus, this bitch is on the level as Orcschizo.

>>16561639
>>16561652
It's might not even recover the waiting room for the premiere wtf

>>16561678
Touched your nerve I guessed

Look how easy for holo en to mogged niji en hahahaha! Mumei alone rape everyone lol.

>>16561265
How about no? I watch twitch streamers like otk and otv for that.

>>16561755(me)
WTF it actually peaked at 15900 and didn't beat the waiting room.
Susan fix your fucking website.

>>16561702
At least they are trying,remember Towa?

>>16561755
It didn't.

>>16561860
They don't have to anon, they just really should stop doing the ultra-filtered "casual chat"
Then again the last time Mori and Ina were loose with their convo, everyone SEETHED

>>16560650
I think people underestimate just how much Myth is loved. They have very hardcore fans that did not budge when Council debuted.

>>16562012
The song just finished and it already has 16k likes

>Rate it

>>16562002
Which one?
The only one I have in mind is the recent stream with RPR and Ollie, that was fine, sort of. Ollie had the decency to make the joke when RPR was gone.

>>16562135
Atelier Mumei/10

>>16562012
What a beautiful Nike graph

>>16562112
Myth had to work hard meanwhile Council debut with a silver spoon.

>>16562112
they budged to VShojo

>>16562258
>myth had to work hard
kek nice joke

I imagine this song would've propelled Mumei ahead of Kronii if it were released 5 months ago

>>16562012
That's normal for a 4 minute premiere

youtube will pull out a slow cull and call it a natural disinterest in vtubers

>>16562338
it's not too late, song's fucking catchy. It is 50% jap tho

>>16562338
Er, didn't they debut 4 months ago?

>>16562337
Come on,
Myth did work hard until Council debut.

Hey, did Selen finally beat Sana? You guys kept complaining about Council, so I figured something must have triggered it.

I'm not too worried about the males since the audience is different and they're not competing for each other's fanbase.

>>16562338
coming with an original at debut is hard.
i think only kiara did that shit in her first 2 months

>>16562487
Whatever, time is a concept

>>16562508
I admit that they worked harder than council

>>16560676
>Not a Nijinigger
>Is a last samurai instead
Its not as bad as being a Nijinigger, but its pretty bad. I made it a point to member one from every branch since I'm not a tribalistic fag.

>>16562258
Dude that’s literally every gen past gen 4. Gen 5 post-aloe has been given the world and back in attempt to keep them afloat, being in practically every single event imaginable, outfits and accessories for days, constant collab opportunities and sponsorships left and right. If you think that’s enough, look at the star treatment gen 6 has gotten for literally just existing.

You can even branch that same logic out to council and ID2. ID2 performs so much better overall than ID1 and has far more presence in the scene, and council was given a ton of opportunities to make something (more) of themselves. It’s just the nature of being new in this company.

>>16562338
>>16562535
>>16562258
>>16562337
NIGGER THIS IS THE NUMBERS THREAD NOT YOUR DUMPING GROUND FOR YOUR COMPLAINTS ABOUT COUNCIL FUCK OFF

>>16562206
Fucking yea, I was struck by how much this sounded like an Atelier song, and its not as if the lyrics are out of place either.
Hell, you could slot this into Atelier (Dusk) and I'd say "Yep, that sounds right".

>>16562687
learn to read seamonkey

>>16562258
Myth had a silver spoon too. HoloJP had been cultivating an audience here for a while and Hololive was synonymous with vtubing before HoloEN was even being recruited for.

>>16562571
Why are you seriously arguing with the jealous 2view?

>>16560676
how can you cum to fat cat if you use all your time to post bullshit about other girls

>>16562559
I do not hate HoloEN, I'm not a "last samurai" or anything schizo like that. I just find Council to be a failure.

>>16562687
Okay lol

>>16560779
luxiem success depends on SEA
might as well make another chinese branch

>>16562812
I don't think it's bullshit. I just think it is an honest assessment of council and a little bit resentful that the brand has been damaged.

>>16563034
>brand has been damaged.
Based on what assessment? Your salty ass? I'm actually starting to enjoy watching you seeth.

>>16562338
She only started working on it a week before debut.

>Nijisanji: Investing in technologies as the best tech vtuber agancy
>Hololive: Expand vtuber business through new business like Metaverse
>Vspo: Bringing vtuber scene and the e-sports scene together

>Vshojo:

Looks like Gura is poised to reach 2x the sub count of the next highest Holo. Since she's also growing more than 2x as fast as Mori, she'll remain there for a while, at least until Fubuki passes Pekora and Mori.

>>16563145
I'm not seething. I'm just disappointed by the lack of ambition to further the brand, wasting resources, and not causing any passion to invigorate the fanbase. I feel like they're stealing from Cover with their behavior.

>>16563361
Making dick joke great again.

>>16561678
Oh looky here >>16562891
I guess Fallenshadow is indeed /here/

>>16563361
>Investing in technologies as the best tech vtuber agency
LMAO

You mean sucking zhang cock for chinese tech. Nijisanji's 3D isn't even that good anymore and Hololive has always had the better 3D models anyway. Nijisanji 3D models look like Endermen from Minecraft.

Get bent Nijinigger

>>16563361
>>Vshojo:
sucking sodas dick dry and joking about having him as a e-celeb followed by implying your coworkers also have hidden boyfriends so younshouldnt be mad just at her.

>>16563424
>Lack of ambition
That' sfair
>Stealing resources
? That's a weird way to look at it, it's not like they're providing EN with a particularly large amount outside of salaries, and that applies for Myth as well.
>Lack of passion
Look, now you're starting to proje-
>STEALING from Cover
Okay, look. There's 'These are reasonable things to be concerned about' and then there's 'I need some meds' territory buddy, and you're veering pretty hard into the latter.

>>16563630
At this point I'm pretty sure she's someone who failed the en 2 audition and is seething here as a coping mechanism

>>16563361
Making react content great again!

>>16563424
I hope you realize that's all Covers fault for looking for numbers.
Now the "damage" is done there is nothing you can do about it.
Seething about them is just free exposure and the best way to keep their relevance.

>>16563424
>Underperformance = stealing from Cover.
What sort of slippery slope fallacy is this? Are you an idiot?

>>16563753
>Seething about them is just free exposure and the best way to keep their relevance.
And? I would be delighted if they did something. I would be over the moon if they were something to care about.
>>16563630
Okay, we don't have to agree but spots are limited so there is a profit loss if someone isn't up to par or provides something.

>>16563361
Veibae's collabing with OTK member in LOL rn. They're expanding vtubers in the normie market inaccessible to the other companies

>>16562825
Failure would mean that the completely flopped, which is far from true. They pull in a lot of money when you look at their total SC and memberships, and I would say how much they're earning is a good indication of whether they flopped or not. Not Myth level, but definetly not even close flopped levels. Complaints about their ambition are valid though, I will admit to that as I am also a bit dissapointed in how little they stream.

>>16563824
If Cover sets their standards low, that's on them.

>>16563847
Normalfag market joining is almost always a bad thing for anyone that enjoyed the hobby before the normalfags flood in.

>>16563951
Their CCV is not up to par, their SCs are abysmal, and they are just not available. They're not bad people, they just need to be handed their walking papers and become persona non grata.

not sure why people keep replyung to the anti council schizo
Anyways back to some numebrs

Selene and rosemi graphs seems to show some ccvid yet.

You guys know responding to him with sound arguments is a waste of time right?
Just call him a retard every time he posts if you can't resist and ignore his retarded ass.

>>16564332
Yea.
It's definitely a case of "people got unflagged and now they're being reflagged".
Only this time it's EN that had a relay over JP first, so we'll probably see -30-50% in a week and a half if this shit starts to get out of hand. Again.

>>16564227
Who are you comparing their CCV and SC to when you say it is not up to par?

>>16564332
Sometimes its not CCVID, hard recovery to waiting rooms existed before during multi pov collabs like among us.
Some people have all 3 povs open in the waiting room, but aren't counted once they start verifying viewers.

>>16560650
>Anon still think opinions /here/ is worth anything
Unironically look at a mirror and ask yourself what have you done in your life to reach this point

Nepotism, good or bad?

>>16564508
which is a new development
but taking this long to recover is new
however it also seems random
Fauna didnt have it for her house flip stream today but did for thee skyrim one.

>>16564564
all JP nepos have been great

>>16564332
Less than 5k total for a 6m celebration seems pretty bad.
Luca alone is getting 3k playing a mario game during burger hours.

>>16557841
Catch 22
They need to improve CCV to get higher VOD growth for the algorithm to pick them up and feeds them to other people. They need to algorithm to pick them up so that they can get better VOD so that their CCV improves.

They literally really big people to should them out.

>>16564564
Neutral. The fortune 50 company I work for always asks for recs before they go on a hiring spree.
>>16564667
IRyS got 16k, which isn't great either.
>>16564498
HoloX. I was fine with council since I thought the holo market peaked and then HoloX blew my mind. I can't feel anything but resentment for how they tanked hololive in the west.

>>16560986
>The only 2 sites they will check are tweeter and plebbit, and there you can delete posts or ban people from saying mean things to you :(

Yes, as oppose to /here/? Anon, even people /here/ know that this god forsaken site is the last place you want if "better yourself" is the goal

>>16564841
There are retards here who unironically think /vt/is the only place for real, unsugarcoated criticism for chuubas.
Kinda like how some people think they're locked in an mental asylum because the world isn't ready for their genius.

>>16564841
But it's fun /here/
It's hard to have fun on those sites since they're so serious. I don't want people to ego search here though, vtubers should be banned from 4channel.

this shit ain't moving

>>16565164
Views probably got frozen, wait a few hours or so.

>>16565016
But Anon, I won't be able tovtease Reimu anymore

>>16565164
It's in verification hell.
I'm not sure what the hell YT did recently but all the processing for views and shit seems kinda fucked up.

>>16565231
By trying to fix their issue they made even more issues.

>>16565164
Shit song not worth repeating it

>>16564748
Hey, I also compared Eden Gumi and all of NijiEN, ID, KR to HoloX, and determined that they are all fucking failures compared to HoloX. Pathetic.

Mumei is motivated...............

>>16565164
Usually freezes like this are a good sign since it means so many people have watched it that they think it's suspicious.

Not a surprise, but Mumei's A new start has passed Spark of Joy in likes after 1 hour. (36k VS 35k)

>>16565380
>compared Eden Gumi and all of NijiEN, ID, KR to HoloX
It isn't fair to compare Nijisanji to HoloX.

HoloX debuted in 2021
Council debuted in 2021
They are both hololive
They should be at the same level.

>>16565404
Its good sign.

interesting info
Cover send mumeiher song in all japanese. The reason it took so long to come out is because she wanted at elast half be in english so she was working with mori all this months on it to get the lyrics and vocals.
Im assuming kronis is in a similar spot and that is why it took so long to come out.

>>16565404
SO she finished with exams is what she's saying

>>16565815
IRyS is hard debuffed by being the Vsinger. Any future candidates should fight hard to just be a normal holomem.

>>16565933
So ... hiring English songwriter in Japan is not easy?
They got Mori sure, but she's only 1 person

>>16566072
anything ENGLISH in japan is not easy.
is still fucking retarded imo but is japanese management so it is expected.

>>16565876
>They should be at the same level
inb4 gen 5 vs myth

>>16565876
>gen 5 debuted in 2020
>get spoonfed tons of sponsorships and collabs in an attempt to get them to succeed
>still flops
>myth debuted in 2020
>get fucking nothing
>still mogs gen 5