/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>16538299
NNCH ENGLISU!!!

both to learn chink

>>16538299
English is the international language. They were supposed to learn it in school instead of slacking off.

>>16538299
Neither.

>>16538299
The onus is definitely on the JP speakers to learn English. Jps in general are pretty lazy, a lot of holoEN can speak JP, why can't JP do the same? Even my oshi Sana, that people like to label as being lazy, is easily able to pick up and speak Japanese. Honestly I don't think the JP branch will ever be able to compete with until they stop being lazy and actually break the language barrier.

>>16539848
english was never supposed to be the lingua franca of international otaku. it was pushed that way by large companies looking to make a profit, its the language of globalism, which isnt aligned with otaku ideals at all

most Japs don't learn english properly because they never end up using it regularly and have enough local media to consoom to avoid english shit

>>16540095
Who fucking cares what it was "supposed to be"? They had English lessons at school, therefore they were supposed to learn it, but they didn't. A member of Hololive English would have had no reason to learn the language of a tiny island nation in the Pacific before they joined Hololive.

>>16538299
>>16540093
There is no motivation to learn english. Japanese is easier to learn because it has anime and other stuff. You learn a language through enjoying media, simple as. Some JPs like disney surely but there arent even enough disney movies to learn a whole language. Even if I go along with this false meme that it just comes down to "effort," the reward for learning japanese is just so much higher than the reward for learning english

>>16540095
Japan is a product of American Imperialism. So are Otaku ideals, consumerism is #1.

>>16540251
>therefore they were supposed to learn it, but they didn't
they dodged a bullet

In my opinion, neither.
>>16540093
>>16540251
Cover is still a japanese company doing mostly japanese culture things, at the same time english vocabulary and media diffuses more easily into JP than it does vice versa. No real onus and I think everyone remotely interested in Hololive should at least have picked up a few words to say.
>Even my oshi Sana, that people like to label as being lazy
Don't offer shitposters a square inch of rent space in your head. Sana is lovely.

>>16538299
for EN to learn Japanese obviously. Its never gonna work out the other way

>>16540342
Otaku consume media that is catered to what they want in their media in the first place. Americans consume media that is catered to what they were told is what they are supposed to enjoy

It is definitely not worth their time to try and learn english unless they actually want to do something with it after hololive. Average jp viewers are much more valuable than en and the work to become actually capable of being entertaining in english would be much better spent in some other part of their career. You can see it in like lui english only streams she's put in a ton of work but those streams suck and she's so far away from being close to natural.

Subaru can make it work in a holobirds sort of situation but a true english entertaining zatsudon is insanely far for any of them. It's not like haachama even gets much if any of a boost from her english ability. yeah people post on reddit about it but they don't watch much if any of her actual content or give her money so end of the day who fuckin cares

>>16540343
But you didn't, though if you're a native English speaker I feel sorry for you. Anglo countries are all shitholes.
>>16540409
>Cover is still a japanese company doing mostly japanese culture things
While that's true, if you're going to expand into the international market you can't expect everyone to understand your local language. Let's say you're German and you work for a French company. Do you need to learn French? No, it never works like that.

>>16540559
No, they just annex the company.

>>16540677
I can see where we're going with this.

>>16538299
I love Nenechi!

If they can't speak english and half their viewers are still from overseas anyway then what's the point in learning it

>>16540559
>though if you're a native English speaker I feel sorry for you. Anglo countries are all shitholes.
thank you am I and I agree

>>16540559
>if you're going to expand into the international market you can't expect everyone to understand your local language. Let's say you're German and you work for a French company. Do you need to learn French?
Germany and France dont have otaku culture, nothing close to it. It's really that simple. There is no comparison. Literally everyone that watches anime in this world wants to learn Japanese, the only problem is that many dont know how

>>16540251
>using school curriculum as an argument

>>16541063
>Germany and France dont have otaku culture
It's an example, idiot. Let's say you live in Denmark and work for Toyota. Do you need to learn Japanese, or do you solve the problem by speaking English, the international language?
>Literally everyone that watches anime in this world wants to learn Japanese
No, that's fucking retarded. There's great subs in English (the international language) for everything except niche shit that I guarantee no EN chuuba has ever watched.

>>16541063
France does, though.

>>16541180
subs keep getting SJW treatment and the only way you'll actually know what your reading is true is if you can understand it lol.

or just keep watching until you get tired of netflix and crunchy

>>16538299
>Number of English speakers worldwide: 1.35 billion
>Number of Japanese speakers worldwide: 120 million
You figure it out.

>>16541289
Again, the number of EN chuubas that care are zero. Some like Kiara taught themselves Japanese because they wanted to live in Japan. If you're moving to a country it's a different matter and of course you need to learn the native language.

>>16541238
I meant their own home grown culture in their language with comparable interest
>>16541180
>Let's say you live in Denmark and work for Toyota. Do you need to learn Japanese, or do you solve the problem by speaking English, the international language?
Who cares? If they like anime and japan they probably would like to learn japanese if they knew how to go about it. Toyota isnt Hololive. Hololive are online idols that interact with a million foreign fans that want to learn their language

>>16541415
this is not about EN vtubers learning JP it's about JP vtubers learning EN or EN consumers learning JP.

>>16541546
Fuck, you're right, I misread the OP. The burden is on neither. Foreign viewers can't be expected to know Japanese and JP vtubers streaming to a local audience can't be expected to accommodate foreigners. If they're collabing with EN or ID then it's a different matter.

>>16538299
The onus will be on your dick if you learn it.

>>16541180
>working for a jp car parts manufacturing company
>be forced to learn Japanese and earn monthly raise depending on your proficiency
anon some japanese companies actually give incentives for learning nihongo while you are working for them

>>16541391
this is the most retarded numbers i've seen. fuck off redditfag

>>16541935
I know that's a thing, and they shouldn't, but since JP is so fucking lazy when it comes to learning English that's what ends up happening. Same thing happens with Chinese companies.

>EOP
kek, not everyone needs to cater to your needs. learn to adjust to the world

>>16542222
the world is controlled by madmen who are destroying everything.

>>16541444
I am not sure what qualifies as otaku culture to you, but there are several conventions in Germany which started out in German+Japanese, with English added as in DigiKomi to also be accessible to foreigners. I don't know about France but I expect everything they do to avoid localization (especially to English) as much as possible. Otaku culture may not be big as in Brazil or Mexico, but it certainly exists to a degree that on some days you can't take a train or go into the city without seeing someone in Cosplay. Don't forget that German also dubs much more than most other non-EFL languages, and some anime is dubbed from an already existing German dub. All of which is to say that the examples you picked are poorly chosen, but I am not really engaged in the conversation (haven't replied since you replied to my single post here) and don't want to challenge what you say about that.

>>16542438
this is one of the shittiest threads I've seen in /vt/

>>16540095
>english was never supposed to be the lingua franca
Why not? It's easy, practical and you don't need to know proper grammar or spelling to communicate. Try learning mandarin or german.

Do you want to understand a particular language?
If yes learn it, if no don't.

>>16538299
nobody. do whatever you want

>>16540095
>otaku ideals

>>16541444
there used to be interest in French culture in at least the rest of Europe. maybe less these days.