/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking
>https://youtubeliveen.soraweb.net/ex/バーチャルYouTuber

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/jwfivCFB

I forgot this came out like hours ago and it was labelled 1/4 so there's more to come
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSfqYXWIWSM

Also, Kanauru's commissioned to do this kek

>>16528528
That's really good number for Pokemon tourney on dying platform.

>>16528774
>71k
shame

>>16528528
so bronze it is

>>16528774
>commissioned
the only way...

Lamy fighting!

>>16528528
The fucking state of council

>>16528732

coomer here, who got the highest ccv in an asmr stream ever?

luxium > isebruhbruh > council

>>16528774
Why is the production value of this so low? Nii's management really needs to offer better support to these girls.

>>16528937
Koyori's first one got to 30k, I think that's the record but correct me if I'm wrong

>>16528922
i thought emperor would get more desu

>>16528983
>Nii's management really needs to offer better support to these girls
why? they are useless, boys are more relevant now

>>16528983
trying to copy ames poryect but realising they dont have the resources to match it.
Myth or treat just set the bar high.

>>16528774
When did Petra replaced by Pomu in Obsydia?

>frog poster
where is this avatarfagging coming from, hope this is not catposter in disguise

>>16529036
cant do much with apex nowdays.

>>16529108
i think is the VS poster

>>16528922
Rapists… I KNEEL!

>>16528889
Gachis bring great numbers, I kneel

>>16529071
Did you watch the actual nijiexpress stream?

>>16529228
HoloEN needs a new wave ASAP.

I'm tired of all those council bullying...

>>16529248
yeah and te scla eof te proyect was much less tan what ame orignally did first.

Sorry Nijifags! YOU LOSE!

>>16529071
You can't be serious right? Not even trying to tribalfag but Nijis had more effort, plus the chuubas actually played with fans. Shame the room dies soon, they could only do this for a month meanwhile Holo is allowed to do their vr freely.

gen5 schizo on suicidewatch

shut the fuck up lamy's cleaning my ears

Predictions for Mumei's first collab with the JP branch?

>>16528889
Oh so that was a vox solo stream but with bait collab thumbnail huh, nice bait game

>>16529379
seems like cope to me

>>16529071
Nijis are more inline with Twitch's react streamers rather than with their own creative seniors like Mito.

>>16529350
>>16529387
Milord....slipped....

>>16528732
Literally me

>>16528732
This isn't the shigure ui thread.

>>16529143
Regardless, pepe BEGONE, you know what you need to do.

>>16529086
Petra's way too busy with real life. Most of NijiEN seem to have their entire social lives revolve around the group, it's crazy. Their fans must feel pretty spoiled. Imagine loving someone in Council and maybe getting like four hour-long streams per week

>>16529387
>Has to literally whore herself to compete with a minor side branch of Nijisanji

>>16529526
Today it is too, as she is the golden girl of the day

>>16529749
>>Has to literally whore herself to compete with a minor side branch of Nijisanj
i mean that is mysta and voxx plan too

>>16529698
four hour-long streams per week
Kek,nice

>>16529749
>Has to whore HIMSELF out to compete against one of the weakest gens

>>16529749
she got 15k today playing ark you dumbass

>>16529698
and despite that they keep getting shit numbers

>>16529749
The fuck do you think voxx is doing? kek

lamy's asmr is at 14k
it really feels like she's scratching shit out of my ears

>>16529749
Do you feel it anon? Do you feel the incline?
Just admit you're a homo at this point.

>>16529749
take it easy with that copium buddy

King 10K
What happened?Nijisis

>>16529984
it's fucking valorant dude, no one can save that shit

>>16529749
Or maybe collabing with your friends is normal and company wars are cancer.

HAHAHAHA JPKEKS STATUS?

>>16529984
Genuine recline

>it's a jp vs en bait
>it's not holo
holy shit

>>16529086
>When did Petra replaced by Pomu in Obsydia?
Around the time it became semi-common for to play (non-Apex) FPS both solo and with Selen. That pulled in Pomu and the rest is history. This was sort of cemented once Selen got state of the art VR. She had some stuff before but IIRC it was one of the kits dating back all the way to Ocullus Kickstarter.

>>16529698
>Most of NijiEN seem to have their entire social lives revolve around the group, it's crazy.
Kinda like HoloJP in a way.

>>16530185
Best part is no one in here can get 10 (You)s like the Holo masterbaiter because there's like 3 anons who actually care

>>16530130
Holy fuck, Vox
The Sunday buff works wonders, most timezones can watch right now

>>16529826
ark doesnt count

>>16530130
Lamy mogging

Vox SC status?

>>16529984
fuwa and vox stealing his fujos away

Luxiam is humiliating Council.
Where is Council now?

fuck why didn't you fags tell me lamy was so good at this

>>16529984
EN males are new hot shit, fujos wanna try out western dicks

>>16530025
>>16529984
Hero shooters that aren't TF2 just never age well and BRs are worse.
Maybe if/when that vampire shooter game becomes functional it'll become the new meta but right now I suspect they'll just run this type of content way into the ground.

Last samurai bros, how do we restore nijijp pride?

>>16530444
kuzuha in a deserted isla- blah blah

>>16530130
A NEW KING

>>16530334
in my heart.

>>16530334
I don't see Luxiem getting 26k+ anon nor a 17k

>>16530408
Why no one play TF2 anymore?Peko and Ame tried once and drop it.

>>16530334
On vacation, i dunno, they don't stream

>>16530130
kuzuha reached 15k earlier right?

>>16530334
>Where is Council now?
rent free inside your head

>>16530334
Not streaming

>>16530130
Oh no no Kuzukeks time to give in the crown.

fuck lamy ended
at least she remembered to say good night

>>16530130
>>16529984
Kinggggggggggg your Faanss AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>16530334
Luxiam:6 hours a day.
Council:6 hours a week.

>>16530542

>>16530334
busy making /vt/ seethe
>>16526124

>>16530829
That thread seems to mostly be nijisisters railing against the concept of unicorns

>>16530812
kek
Same stream right? Not quite there yet then

>>16528983
>Nii's management really needs to offer better support to these girls.
The girls begged for men because even they know how useless they are

>>16530812
holy manjisanji

>>16530917
>nijisisters railing against the concept of unicorns
Hypocrite much? They don't even watch their fags when they collab with the nijiEN girls.

>>16531180
it's the same pot of shitstirrers that have always existed here, just with an extra dash of XX thrown in to mix things up.

>>16529071
Ame stole the idea from Vshojo and NijiCN
And her implementation of the idea is the cheapest and most boring
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FDe5zoLTeU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rlky1QATPPo

>>16530917
>>16531229
I used to use the NijiEN thread since I watch a few of them, but it got unbearable over time. That thread very much reads like the same people.
If anything, they are characterised more like Hololive (and moreso Hololive fan) antis, who will just take whatever position lets them unload vitriol towards their "enemy".

>>16528983
>Nii's management really needs to offer better support to these girls.
The Niji spiel was always "Join Niji to interact with people you liked watching". Actual support is kind of minimal with the exception of 3D, which is 1) World class 2) Never ever going to be relevant to EN.
Not that Holo is much better. Just for different reasons. They're very much a "with friends like these who needs enemies" type situation.

>>16531336
>NijiCN
That branch exists?

>>16530334
They don't stream around these hours, and they already mogged them with their half-assed outfit relay.

>>16531456
Virtual Real

>>16531456
VirtuaReal(nijiCN)

>>16529408
Threads can't make sounds, anon.

>monitor Kronii's outfit VOD to see if it's pulling anywhere near Gura numbers
>was 267k when I checked 4 hours ago
>it's 266k now
Council can't catch a break from Susan

>>16531548
why did you respond to a 50 min old comment anon

>>16530519
Valve doesn't support it anymore and hasn't for 5+ years. It has rampant bot and hacker problems as well.

Post cute chumbuds

>>16531571
Bae manga reading also lost 2k and so her outfit reveal.

>>16531586
Because threads don't make sounds.

Why does council love holostars?

>>16532036
Because they hate numbers, so they love channels with small numbers

>>16532036
why don't you ask in their generals anon

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *

Here it goes
>89,594: Shigure Ui (Indie)
>48,121: Kronii (Hololive)
>41,789: Mumei (Hololive)
>34,918: Baelz (Hololive)
>34,280: Fauna (Hololive)
>34,280: Hal (merise)
>30,512: Marine (Hololive)
>29,211: Toya (Nijisanji)
>25,990: Sana (Hololive)
>25,501: Subaru (Hololive)
>24,408: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>20,778: Fauna (Hololive)
>20,603: Pekora (Hololive)
>20,296: Suisei (Hololive)
>18,812: Lauren (Nijisanji)
>17,918: Koyori (Hololive)
>17,875: Miko (Hololive)
>17,286: Mumei (Hololive)
>16,816: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>15,684: Lamy (Hololive)
>14,713: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>14,627: Lauren (Nijisanji)
>14,562: Lamy (Hololive)
>14,232: Tamaki (NoriPro)
>14,154: Koyori (Hololive)
>14,022: Gatchman (Indie)
>13,733: Vox Akuma (Nijisanji)
>13,536: Lize (Nijisanji)
>13,509: Laplus (Hololive)
>13,163: Ibrahim (Nijisanji)
>11,095: Towa (Hololive)
>10,540: Watame (Hololive)
>10,156: Flare (Hololive)
>10,008: Botan (Hololive)

A busy day with lots of amusing entries

choco getting 10k with asmr again this week, she's back

>>16532148
>UI GOLD
UI GOLD
>UI GOLD
UI GOLD

>>16532161
Choco 10k+ and Patra 14k+ ASMR are staples of that segment of the industry. Any of them failing to get it means something weird must be going on

>>16532148
How long since any Indie (other than Hal, when he was still indie) took gold? Was it Ui last time too?

>>16532148
25k don't put you in the top 10

>>16532148
>17,286: Mumei (Hololive)
>16,816: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
OH NO NO NO NO HAHAHAHAHAHA
>COUNCILSCHIZO BTFO!

>>16532226
even before ccvid she was getting 8-9ks, that's why i noted on it

>>16532148
Honorary Holo I kneel!
Also there's 5 fucking NijiJP males above Vox

>>16532148
>koyo has 2 spots
my sweet sweet pink dog

>>16532348
>5 fucking NijiJP males above Vox
but where are the Niji females?

>>16532161
Yea, whatever nonsense is fucking over EN graphs, please let it get solved before we end up in another round of numbers fuckery where everyone is getting below sub 10k, that was painful as hell to witness.

>>16532148
>21 Holos

>>16532148
Hololive 21
Nijisanji 13

Hololive took the top ten with a modest 7-3 showing. They only got the gold and silver while Nijisanji(honorary) took the gold.

>>16532486
There's still Lize, I guess. Good enough for Manjisanji standards.

>>16532601
>They only got the gold and silver while Nijisanji(honorary) took the gold.
What a retard, at least doublecheck before posting

>>16532601
Can you count?

choco is at 12k btw

>>16532659

my kneels...

>>16532148
Only one female Niji

>>16532636
>>16532657
While I'd have to call you out as newfags I have to say that joke is getting terribly boring over time

>>16532609
Chinkshit too strong

>>16532601
>holomama
>honorary niji
fuck off retard

>>16532698
Retard, you said gold and silver, then gold again

How tf did suisei get 20k on prosekai

>>16532657
I can but I throw everyone not in hololive in the same bucket because barely making the top ten and losing 21 - 8 looks bad.

>>16532793
That wasn't me and I didn't even noticed

>>16531571
lol i had it at 268k earlier in the morning

>>16532148
Manjisanji bros???

>>16532798

prosekai is big as fuck in JP, no? sometimes i see some nijiJP playing it and they get a good boost as well

>>16532148
missing pokemon tournament

>>16532696
They really are second class citizens. Hopefully NijiEN avoids such a fate.

>>16532798
She was rolling gacha during the peak

>>16532888
niji gold because fuwa won CR Cup.

>>16532888
APEX CR 230000
Who said apex is reclining.

>>16532956
Wrong gold though oops. Too bad.

>>16533004
anon last cr cup had far over 300k on that channel

Choco sensei asmr about to get 13k

>>16533004

it's a recline compared to last year but the game is far from dead how people like to claim

>>16533218
she got it while her heartbeat was on
shits wild

>>16533218
imagine how much she could get with a good audio set

I'm few days late on the news but I really want to say Pekora is such a lucky fucking bitch that the numbers came back just in time for her birthday.

>>16533409

ogey

>>16533409
ogey

You can't deny that NijiEn male numbers are seriously impressive. Perhaps it was inevitable since men are better and more popular than women in almost everything and that includes streaming. The more mainstream vtubing becomes the more popular men will be as things return to the natural order. I use to think males wouldn't be that successful but now I think HolostarsEn will crush the girls if Cover goes all in. Amazing how quickly things can change. Cover's already prepping the audience for it lmao.

This thread is awfully quiet. I guess the Holostars collab caused all the shitposters to go farm (You)s in other threads.

lol, this is choco's highest asmr in the last 7 months she's almost at 14k

>>16533931
What collab?

>>16533990
Check the goddamn catalogue, it's everywhere.

>>16533943
Kek Choco is beating Vox.

>>16533186
This is last time.
https://twitter.com/ikioi_ranking/status/1446852979991085069?t=oOZPErEV0k0gyPzLquFkhQ&s=19
>>16533235
I just look up their past number and this time actually has the highest peak CCV so far.

>>16533943
Being in a collab with Patra and Noel surely helped her

>>16534035
>check the catalog
miss me with that shit, niggaaa

>>16534085
Kek another retard who can't read numbers right

>>16534363
>>16530829

>>16533931
>EN
Nobody care

were people lonely tonight or something?

>>16534493
>insulting prime shitposting material
How dare you.

WHO WOULD WIN THIS HEAD TO HEAD BATTLE TO THE DEATH

>THE BIGGEST APEX CHAMPIONSHIP EVER ORGANIZED WITH ALL OF THE BIGGEST JAPANESE AND FOREIGN APEX PLAYERS ADDING UP TO SOME TEN MILLION SUBS ON YOUTUBE?
>one meek boomer whose claim to fame is being a failed steak salesman which appeared in some reality show?

THE ANSWER WILL CONFUSE, BAFFLE, ANGER YOU AND COOPT YOUR TOUHOU WOLF GIRL!

Holostats doesn't work for me unless I'm using vpn, anyone have solution pls?

>>16534584
Move out of China or something?

>>16533896
>I think HolostarsEn will crush the girls if Cover goes all in
it depends what males they get. There are some abysmally low confidence males. They allow women to be more creative them, and out-work them. Absolutely beta bitches, check /asp/.

If Cover insists to bite that bullet and hire EN dudes they must hire get competitive go-getters that really want to do cool shit and lift the Stars brand. No guys that need to lean on the women for strength.

>>16534584
Where do you live?

>>16534560
>not even 200k
Lolno.

>>16534560
I missed this type of shitposting, feels like home again

>>16532827
Fuck,so we cant even rely on vods number now?Youtube what the hell is this.

>>16534867
>MilfDom mystery meat number
Sorry mate, clearly the failed vodka salesman has a bigger audience

Yeah, if you send this pic even 2 months back in time and say
>NjiEN boy mogged not just the king but also his trusty princes and barons right off of winning CR Cup
You would call “fake and gay” and be done with it

>>16535056
Eh, to be fair king had a higher peak

>>16535056

yeah but king fuwa and lauren had a higher peak lol

>>16535181
Anon, even implying NijiEN 10k would get disbelief reactions, let alone Kuzuha sub 20k

>>16532148
Oh look, the pathetic leech gets gold. Really tells you that the industry is in a bad spot when whores like that are winning gold. Fucking pathetic.

>>16535324
>mogged not just the king but also his trusty princes and barons right off of winning CR Cup
Half of his post is fake and gay.
>>16535361
And... yet another outfit reveal is revolutionary?
Face it, this is the state of vtubing.

>>16532148
Numberrot is back baby!!! Let's fucking goooooo

>>16532148
So Ui Mama 3D is the most watched indie stream

>>16535602
What did kson new model debut peak at?

>>16535602
No

>>16535675

>twitch

>>16535655

Playboard has the peak at 24,415

>>16535602
Hal went over 120k for one of the Apex tournaments

>>16535675
Does ranboo count as vtuber? he used his vtuber avatar only in specific streams, just like what kson did

>>16535957
>Kson
>Ranboo
They are not vtubers

>numbers were great today
Based /ourboy/ Vox

>>16536204
>our
Not his numbers though.

>>16534925
youtube says thats just re-verification, up to you to believe them or not

I'm struggling to find another stream outside of Holo/Niji/Hal that even made it to 50k let alone 89k, I think that Tamaki collab with 6 Holos plus Claire and Ui is the only one.

>>16532148
based UI mogging those whores

Did YT fix CCV yet?

>>16536370
>NijiEN
>13k
>not great
??

>>16536480
>Tamaki collab with 6 Holos plus Claire and Ui
Doesn't that make it a de facto Holo/Niji stream then?

>>16536625
By NijiEN standards, sure.

>>16536672
Sure but by that logic this was a Hololive stream because of Subaru's appearance. Obviously the scope is much different but it feels unfair to exclude one but include the other.

Despite her success with the paypig crowd, Chloe is somehow the biggest disappointment in holox. Is she entirely carried by her model?

>>16536515
>Last Samurai supporting the whore
Why am I not surprised

>>16536958
you didn't get enough (you) in jp huh? how about kys here too?

>>16536958

the only stream she did after ccvid start to slow down for JP chuubas was the one she announced her break. pretty obviously why her median is fucked

>>16537083
>median
Watch hours.

Only 5 hours have passed and Ui's 3D is already at 670k views, should honestly be a pretty easy 2nd 1 mil VOD for her.
Speaking of VODs how are Council's VODs doing? I'm sure some anons here are keeping track of them.

>>16536614
'Fixed' it by unflagging accounts, but the underlying cause is still present.
Just pray that HoloJP doesn't do another relay event and that if they do, Youtube is able to prevent the damage from being too great.

>>16536958
>basing your opinion off of a worthless metric like watch hours
this isn't twitch, very few vtubers chase that stat.

>>16536958
>being mogged by a lazy shitter like Kronii
Even with the CCVID cope this is just embarrasing.

>>16537275
Eh, it's fine as a comparison metric, but obviously don't take the totals as the only thing to take away from it.
Also, unfortunately, due to the UNEVEN nature of how CCVID affected people, this month's numbers are, for the most part, kind of garbage to be used as a good objective measurement between chubbas.

>>16537375

>CCVID (cope)

if you weren't here when true hell was happening it's easy to call it that

>>16537375
>can't read
Kronii literally streamed 2 more hours compared to Chloe

Yeah, I never thought I would have to ask this but
> IS ARK A B-BUFF... !?
Very good numbers for Roboco, specially at these hours

>>16537173
I'm really only checking Kronii's since it was the highest (and also the one that appears to have been most affected by the fucky graph).
Comparing it in views to the JP6 + nene ones, Kronii right now has the same views as Nene's, who was suffering from a pretty sizeable cull at that point.
It makes me suspect that whatever cull HoloEN is being affected by is 'minor' compared to how badly HoloJP was being affected at the time, but its something to of course 'watch with attention in case shit gets fucked sideways'.
Also more polls. Please do more polls HoloEN...

>>16537564
>Is it a buff?
>When even Matsuri managed to get 5.6k in it
You tell me anon.

>>16537551
And Chloe has 200k more subs than Kronii.

>>16536958
After a turbulant December we are right back to Pekora at #1 and Miko at #2.

>>16537763
The sub gap isn't that huge but Chloe seems to have more deadsubs either way.

>>16537763
And Gura has almost x2.8 subs compared to Miko, where are you going here
Subs have nothing to do with watch hours

>>16537173
Was just updating the list. They're vod game isn't great and, other than Hakos, none of them has any relevant mv/shorts.
Council they never recovered from Susan's vod views cull experiment late summer.

As for their outfit vod views
Tsukumo Sana - 169k
Ceres Fauna - 205k
Ouro Kronii - 270k
Nanashi Mumei - 257k
Hakos Baelz - 194k

>>16536614
still fixing or maybe just hoping we all forget

>>16537173
their vods are frozen for reverification or whatever they call it, I collected this like 6 hours ago
>Ouro Kronii - 268.809 views, 31k likes, 427 comments, 48.121 CCV
>Nanashi Mumei - 256.028 views, 31k likes, 295 comments, 41.789 CCV
>Ceres Fauna - 207.863 views, 26k likes, 251 comments, 34.918 CCV
>Hakos Baelz - 196.085 views, 25k likes, 211 comments, 40.367 CCV
>Tsukumo Sana - 171.788 views, 25k likes, 368 comments, 25.990 CCV
compare it to this >>16537927

>>16536958
>Pekora #1 in watch-hours and #2 in average
But burgers told me that she's not on the top???

Why are shitposters claiming watched hours is worthless when there are companies selling data of this particular metric?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_eK0ujrhmY
>4 person cover at only 270k in one week
Makes me feel bad. Hololive is declining sisters...

>>16534617
>>16534820
It was good until yesterday, I don't what happened.

>>16538261
*Watched hours ALONE is worthless
Look at the chart though. Those other metrics?
Average CCV, Hours streamed, and other useful bits of info for those who are shopping around for sponsorships and shit?
Not every fandom has neat tools available such as Nijimado or Holostats that are easily scraped and are publicly available. For 3rd parties and interested companies, checking this sort of info is time-consuming, and time is money. Better to pay streamhatchet or something to give you the data you're interested in (and not the shitty infogrpahics they put out for free, the useful stuff like >>16536958
Of course, since we know public CCV has been fucky since December 2020, sponsors that are REALLY interested can always contact Cover and request it as part of a sponsorship deal, if that's one of the metrics they want to set as part of the deal.

>>16538261
>company (Stream Hatchet) tries to sell data on this """watched hours"""
>sponsors approach a Holo or Niji with those numbers
>they can just show how much bigger their archived streams analytics's watch-time really is than the shit SH "calculates"

>>16530130
so how are nijitrannies coping with the fact that tokyo ghoul is irrelevant now?

>>16538261
>States I like
Based
>Stats I don't like
Cringe

>>16538436

>Opening song of a almost 8 years old show

>>16538250
comments now (just checked)
442 kronii (427 before)
310 mumei (295 before)
even those numbers of comments are still growing.
We are gonna have to wait several days until we can compare them to previous gens, because of all the views processing bullshit + late vod watchers still coming in (difference in # of comments)

>>16538630
>4.5 million subs between the 4
>Korone with 1.5 million by herself
270k is not a food number for a cover.

>>16538436
Only one of those is a half-decent singer

I've just got off from a YT shorts that tells me that music labels are in charge of commercialising your debut EP, album and all. I can see Kuzuha gaining instasucess from his debut album soon from a label but are there cases of nijis failing to reach a certain success after signing up to a label? I know Sora did in the beginning, but nowadays Hololive is big enough for Albums to chart easily within a day or week. Another thing I've learnt is how hard music albums/singles chart and Hololive made it look easy even without a label. Is this another form of number rot?

It's almost a month already and I'm surprised none of the Luxiem members doing the most buffed content, karaoke. Do they wish for a Gura like Miracle or something?

>>16539115
Shu already did a karaoke i think.

>>16539068
>are there cases of nijis failing to reach a certain success after signing up to a label?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E7v-KOUHZE

>>16539115
>you'll never see them do unarchived EN karaoke because Anykara is too anal about copyrights.
what's the point?

>>16539068
labels also keep most the profit for themselves, to be clear

>>16539212
himawari... how can we save her bros?

>>16539299
I wonder if Watame and Suisei broke even by self funding their albums.

>>16539068
Niji's music department don't know how to market their talents. Kamitsubaki, Hololive, and even ReAct are better than them at this point.

>>16539335
>I wonder if Watame and Suisei broke even
anon watame said something like just her signed merch already funded all her album`s music

>>16539335
Not sure about Watame but Suisei definitely broke even. Just out of curiosity though, how likely is it that Cover can grow into an actual "Label'?

Why do anons doubt/overlook her? She's clearly destined to become a top-tier holo. She works so hard and has been gaining steam lately.
You'll all kneel someday.

>>16539547
her asmr streams are top tier so Im already kneeling to her

>>16539492
Why do they need to become a label? They already have the rep that could make any singer become popular overnight. Mori and IRyS had their albums chart every time. It's just that they've been going the wrong way with Azki. Streaming reps is equally as important as singing reps.

>>16539492
Now that INNK music is kill and they're absorbing it probably further along than we think.
>>16539483
Dang. At the level of being a hololiver is there any point to getting signed?

>>16539212
Sunflower is cute but she absolutely can't sing

>>16539327
Follow Luna's footsteps. Seriously, her biggest detractors are the Nijiniggers who harassed Lulu into retirement and the management.

>>16539547
we dont praise wamy too much because we dont want to attract those /become/ weirdos over to here

>>16538257
She got carried hard by watch time, she lose to other Holo in literally every other metric as of late
I said this before and I will said it again, Pekora is just built to stream and only stream. Her streaming stamina is insane

>>16539335
Both had probably broke even. Like Watame's an SC millionaire with 8k+ listening to her every week.

>>16539212
Ouch that hurts, why did they sign a label with Hima instead of China.

>>16539658
Kuzuha can't sing shit too and he won Vtuber's best singer for 2021 award.

>>16539665
>her biggest detractors are the Nijiniggers who harassed Lulu into retirement and the management
himawari has antis? I though she was just your average dork girl, also why management?

>>16539652
not really, labels are leeches who steal all the revenue, much better to be without

Do you all think Niji's business is purely profit-driven like milking the most out of things?

>>16539632
Only Mori and Gura really picked up. Irys's views on her songs are absolutely awful

>>16539902
But they provide the network in order for the artists to succeed.

>>16539914
most companies are like that

>>16539335
How many did she manage to sell, at least 20k? That doesn't account for sales that aren't tracked to overseas etc.
Very roughly, 6 million yen gross. With 12 songs, and a rough cost (ROUGH) of 100k yen per song (averaged) for 1.2mil total
Throw in 10% to cover, 10% per album sold (physical cost of production and other fees) and 10% to the physical stores.
I'd say she 'easily' broke even, even if you doubled the cost to produce the songs and add on the cost of MVs. She probably walked away from it with at least a 100k USD though, and given the costs are tax-deducible, probably doesn't get hit that badly on that front either.
Not to mention that those songs are now good for future Lives, the merch and live etc. etc.
Point being, she's easily got enough cash to not worry about the costs for any of her songs in the forseeable future.

>>16539914
Anycolor is so blatant at it.

>>16539980
EDIT
I'm a dumbass and can't convert YEN to dollars for shit. Multiply everything by 10 on the YEN front.

>>16539652
I assume not really. Label's are only good if you're a relative unknown with either no or minimal connections. Labels help in advertisement and resources, something that indies would not have immediate access to. But in return, the label gets the lion's share of profits, not to mention copyright and ownership of the music itself. It's the reason why Sora's songs are in Label Hell right now. I really do want Cover to start allocating more resources to the music focused Holos though. And them being a legit label would probably open up an even bigger pool of talents for future gens.

>>16539934
True. If you're an unknown then it's a good deal and it might be better for bigger artists since the labels get you on the radio. They also have way deeper pockets so the capital to get more popular if there.
>>16539914
Getting talents the opportunity to further their career is better with Anycolor. Cover just gives you popularity and a built in audience in the 7 figure range.

>>16539934
cover already did that and they're already taking a huge cut of most of their shit, I don't think these girls need yet another hungry corporation looking to suck them dry

>>16540159
Eh.. I wouldn't say that, at least not anymore. The fact that they have a lot of good singers that are at the level or even better than Suisei but are nowhere near as succesful just demonstrates that. You put Watame in Nijisanji and I seriously doubt she ever gets to a point where she can do her own solo concert.

>Getting talents the opportunity to further their career is better with Anycolor
That isn't true at all. If it was, Lulu or Gibara wouldn't have returned to streaming again. Coco secured a nice career already after leaving Hololive.

>>16540388
pfft, here comes the chimafags

>>16540159
>Getting talents the opportunity to further their career is better with Anycolor
Counterpoint: Luna.
She has surpassed Himawari in CCV, Sasaki and the rest of the gang in subs. She got more sponsorships than the majority of them too.

>>16540388
Why not? Watame would have gotten a lot more real concerts in nijisanji than in hololive, she would have been able to get sololive with great odds.

>>16540611
kek

>>16540159
I forgot to add you can't really put a price on hundreds of thousands giving a shit about you as you show up.

Suisei and Chima are objectively superior singers than Suisei and Watame but they're rotting in the wrong agency :(

>>16540611
I doubt Nijisanji could even provide her a 3D model since she doesn't seem fond of point systems like the one Niji has.

>>16540734
Suisei is good enough to be one of the best in two agencies at once, I kneel

>>16540734
I mean Toko and Chima. Fuck me I need to sleep.

>>16540734
retardchama...

Music labels and the anime industry does seem to have a similar business model where they provide artists a chance to market and advertise their work to a larger audience while reaping huge cuts if it were to become popular. They just don't guarantee insta success meanwhile being in Hololive already guarantees insta success. I just don't get why Cover is so adamant to get above average but unrefined girls into Hololive where they could reaped better profits getting a failed singer/idol who could sing good.

>>16540159
Shiba could no longer leech off of Mikochi freely since Nijisanji stonewalled Hololive. I think that's a huge con for the talents over there.

>>16540744
If she debuted in nijisanji, instead of hololive she would be able to get into the early queue for getting 3d and get it pretty quickly. In the current times, she would definitely not be able to achieve her 3d

>>16540611
Getting into a lot of company-wide concerts doesn't exactly translate to getting your own solo concert. WIthout the HoloBox, Watame would basically get drowned out by the dozens of other Nijisanji livers. She also wouldn't have benefitted from Asacoco. And without being anywhere near popular enough, she wouldn't have enough clout to pull off a Solo live. At best, Watame might be added into a group and if she's lucky they can get their own concert.

>>16540734
Man I still remember when Toko used to shill Suisei when the latter was still a nobody but now it's the complete opposite....

>>16536958
holy shit Mayori

>>16539547
everyone who watches holo more than 2 weeks already kneel to her one way or another. she already IS a top-tier holo

>>16540967
Now neither of them need shilling and Suisei shills herself enough for ten people

https://youtu.be/Py21QCndbxc

>>16540967
Good thing Toko's gamble paid off. Despite being low energy streamer, she remains to be a top Niji performer.

>>16539547
basically all of the clips of her suck but she must be good at parasocialing some salarymen. It does seem like morning streamers that ingratiate their way into a routine really pay off in super chat per viewer

>>16536958
>went down a whole 32 spots
One of the most beautifully designed and rigged models, gone to waste. All that potential and momentum, went out like a fart in the wind...

>>16540823
Yagoo still adheres to the core concept of idols which is seeing an unrefined/raw talent slowly turn into a finished product. It makes their "idol journey" more personal to both them and the audience. Suisei and Calli are the perfect example of this. Also, if you wanna look at it from a more "pessimistic" angle, getting a bunch of nobodies who wouldn't have made it on their own engenders loyalty to the company. The fact that the talents were the ones who were trying to convince, even beg, Coco to stay says it all. At that point, the employees aren't just employees anymore but advocates of the company itself.

>>16541109
Where is the number?

>>16541300
this was kind of true at the start but for a long time they've only been accepting established people which is not at all like managing to scout fucking subaru from nothing.

>>16541208
Bah, you think she gives a single damn about Watched Hours?
Hell, for the most part most Holomem outside of Pekora do NOT care about that metric. At all. They'll care about the subs they have, the SCs they get, and maybe the CCV on big events and their longterm ccv as a metric of how well they're able to hold an audience, but the aggregate watched hours? A fart in the wind. Only schizo places like /#/ and normies looking in as a metric of comparing to face streamers might care, and only if they get in the top 5.

>>16541364
I don’t think even Pekora care. She just stream a lot because she have nothing else to do

>>16541300
This. People call me an asshurt nijjer every time I say Cover does social engineering by using girls with mental problems/low self esteem and giving them celebrity status which in turn brain washes them into being reliant on the company.

>>16541463
Nah, she did care, but then she saw how utterly bullshit rigged the #1 spot was and, balanced with the fact that her genmates and other Holomem were having trouble balancing tons of streaming + other shit, backed off.
Like, rigged bullshit like Amouranth, fuck that noise. No one should have to try and compete with that level of garbage.

>>16541356
Kinda agree since they're at least hiring people who aren't completely raw and in fact are very seasoned. But we still haven't reached the point where they're straight up hiring pros. I think the moment they start hiring ex-pros like say a Mami Kawada or an Ex Love live or Im@s member is when they would've completely abandoned the core idol concept

>>16540823
Hololive is it's own music label and anime industry, right? But instead of the gruesome starting line, it's success right off the bat.

>>16541518
Well as you said, she DID care
Not anymore, she’s been lazing around these past few month, streaming at her own pace. I kinda want to say she’s getting “old” for a Vtuber but let’s just wait and see

>>16541561
I don't think HoloJP is dumb enough to hire people who's britches may get too big for their britches. HoloEN did that and it's been one of the worse disasters in modern vtubing.

>>16541492
I wouldn't call it social engineerring anon. That's honestly bordering on rrat territory. There is such a thing as someone being overqualified for a position. You never want to hire someone like that since they might view it as just another place holder job, demand a higher salary, or expect to be accelarated in their position faster.

>>16541300
Suisei and Calli are not the same and I'm tired of people making this comparison. Calli was born into HoloEN and was given the platinum spoon from birth. Her journey was over when it began. Suisei had no such thing going for her

>>16541743
I kinda wonder at what point does aspiring idols start wanting to be a Holo instead? After all the horror stories that have been shared here about the 3d idol industry, being a vtuber probably is waaay sweeter gig.

>>16541834
There's no such thing as being overqualified in the entertainment industry.

>>16542045
Their idol journeys aren't the same but both achieve the same result.

>1 (one) stream in a week

>>16542437
The shark is too powerful, she cannot be stopped.

>>16542264
Then people should stop treating them as if they had the same journey, it's not that hard

How much would sponsors pay if Holomembers play their ad on stream?

>>16541492
That's mostly because you're clearly dumb to figure out the forces at play

Think about it: company A puts out a broadcast saying
>JOIN US! You can make lots of money playing vidya and doing whatever you want as long as you are available to stream thrice a week and don't have a private life remarkable enough to be found out

Most girls at that age will clearly be spoken for, prepared to have a family, enough of a work and social life to fill their whole day and won't have time to play vidya and be online thrice a week.
>same thing goes for boys, BTW, any guy doing well enough will be gainfully employed and fucking busy for most of his week with not enough time to play vidya for leisure, let alone for work

The only workforce available to fill those positions are clearly not made of well adjusted individuals that could pick and choose whatever they wanted and choose streaming.

It's NOT Tanigo searching for menheras, it's pretty much menhera's only way to make a living and they themselves find the opportunity by taking Tanigo's call.

>>16542131
There is for vtubing. As big as Hololive is, they're still a niche of a niche. Hiring someone at the level of an Ado or hell, a Maaya Sakamoto who actually KNOWS that they are on that level is bad fucking news, since the moment they reap the rewards from Holos exposure, they can just immediately move on to the 3d Entertaiment industry once their contract is up. The difference of someone who treats vtubing as a means to an end compared to someone who views vtubing as the actual end goal cannot be overstated. Suisei wants to be succesful, but she wants to be succesful AS SUISEI.

>>16542437
What can I say? The rich get richer while the poor get poorer

>>16542114
You don't just get into hololive by walking into Cover HQ, asking for the manager, and telling him you want to work for him.

Probably many people want to be in hololive or any agency really. I imagine aspiring idols that have an interest in vtubing and can live with only their virtual selves be a celebrity apply to many places or go indie. vtubing gives people over the age of 22 to get a chance to be an idol. I still think agencies like nijisanji/hololive/re:act/774 get a lot of underaged applications. My evidence is that a lot of small EN startups tend to hire extremely young people, as young as 16.

>>16541743
They're a music label, idol agency, entertainment company, and soon to be game dev company. wtf.

>>16542777
You can also include mental care facility.

>>16542777
that game is going to flop fucking hard unless they have physical goods you have to unlock in it.

>>16542777
>and soon to be game dev company. wtf.
i have some news anon

>>16539327
I'm tired of losing banging Niji designs due to the graduation legal procedure!

Then again, maybe a fresh body is what one needs sometimes to grow again - see HoloX.

>>16542908
Impossible
Even PNG gacha can make it with a strong enough brand name behind it. The fact it use Hololive as the main attraction already ensure that the game will sell

>>16542525
I mean if you look at it from a superficial level, they kinda are similar.
>Both started from the bottom, trying to make it on their own
>Both were able carve out a small audience for themselves but nowhere big enough to be considered truly succesful
>Both joined Cover where they both found incredible success at the end of the day, Suisei much muuch later than Calli though thanks to INNK shenanigans.
The main difference between the two is what happened between point 2 and 3. Suisei wasn't succesful immediately and had to claw her way to where she is right now. Calli was immediately succesful but got hit hard by impostor syndrome and not really knowing what being a Holo really means. Both are identical at the surface but the core of their journey definitely has their own spice. Both would be excellent idol animes regardless

>>16542908
Nah it'll still sell. Just that The servers are gonna be crowded making it impossible for other people to play it. Even more so if top Holos decide to join the game. I can't compete with 20k nousagis.

>>16542650
>people actually think they don't want to be real 3D celebrities
Think of how many wanted to go to comiket to bask in the attention. Think of all those that tried to be real celebrities in the PLs. Even if vtubing is your end goal when you're young it's hard not to want to climb up after you get there. Maybe hags don't but the teens and many 20 somethings do.

>>16542908
Wut? They could sell a barely functional game, but with the narration by the actual girls and it would sell AT VERY WORST as the voicepacks, except it would be interactive

>>16543220
Anon, why do you think Yagoo hires a lot of hags and christmas cakes?

Nyanners with 16k

>>16543311
kek. Can't even beat Mumei with twitch voodoo numbers and drops.

Ironmouse 11k

>>16543363
>Can't even beat Mumei with twitch voodoo numbers and drops.

Fuck off twitch faggot.

>>16543005
Borasex...

>>16543446
never saw that outfit but is shit in comparison with the other ones

Pekora 15k tomorrow you heard it here first. Screenshot this

stop posting drops numbers

>>16544182
Ah I mean today in her timezone

>>16544237
Too bad i can't unscreenshot that.

>>16543005
>Korean stream before Yagoo Holotalk
Bora might be coming back sooner than you think

Hololive over 1 million video views update
Top:
hololive - VTuber Group 159
Gawr Gura 42
Houshou Marine 41
Hoshimachi Suisei 29
Mori Calliope 28
Usada Pekora 21
Minato Aqua 19
Nekomata Okayu 19
Shirakami Fubuki 16
Amane Kanata 16
Akai Haato 14
Inugami Korone 14

Most Streams:
Gawr Gura 38
Usada Pekora 17
Houshou Marine 14
Shirogane Noel 12
Inugami Korone 8
Uruha Rushia 8
hololive - VTuber Group 6
Nekomata Okayu 6
Kiryu Coco 6

Most songs:
Hoshimachi Suisei 28
hololive - VTuber Group 26
Mori Calliope 23
Minato Aqua 15
Nekomata Okayu 13
Amane Kanata 12
Murasaki Shion 11
Tokoyami Towa 10
Natsuiro Matsuri 10
Tsunomaki Watame 9

Most shorts:
hololive - VTuber Group 127
Houshou Marine 20
Akai Haato 9
Shirakami Fubuki 5
Inugami Korone 2
Uruha Rushia 2
Kiryu Coco 2
Kureiji Ollie 2

Still, only Mel, Luna, Iofi, Anya, Sana and Bae have 0 videos over 1 million among the girls.
Only Rikka, Astel and Holostars main channel have videos over 1 million among the boys.

Over 10 million views:
Hoshimachi Suisei 5
Mori Calliope 4
hololive - VTuber Group 2
Houshou Marine 2
Gawr Gura 2
Aqua, Pekora, Ayame, Mio 1

In the next 4-5 weeks Mori will have 2 more 10 million viewed videos (Roki and Off with their heads) and will pass Suisei.

Most deleted videos over 1 mil:
hololive - VTuber Group 11
Shirakami Fubuki 3
Amane Kanata 2
Sora, Haachama, Aqua, Shion, Ayame, Mio, Suisei, Marine, Gura 1

Most viewed deleted video - Fubuki's Scatman, at least 3.4 mil

>>16543311
Who has the best numbers in Vshojo?

>>16544445
Traditionally Nyanners, but now it's probably Veibae,

>>16544321

>Over 10 million views

What is the estimate for Okayu entering this list too? She has 2 covers above 9.5M

>>16544305
Well I’m pretty sure she will get 15k tomorrow anyway, she kinda have nothing big to show after birthday
Her game choices will probably be Pokémon or random game she found online so can’t expect too much number out of those

>>16540734
I don't know about Chima but Toko has like ten more years of experience in singing than Suisei or Watame

>>16544574
Chima is very young. So she cannot have many years of experience.

>>16542437
didney worl was an extremely clippable stream, fwiw

>>16544506
The first thing to see on her twitter is her shrek buttplug. Cool.

>>16544445
https://twitchtracker.com/Ironmouse
>17.7k avg; 23.4k peak
but has had 3 colossal streams for their norm, including a birthday
https://twitchtracker.com/Veibae
>11.7k avg; 17.7k peak
https://twitchtracker.com/nyanners
>10.0k avg; 17.2k peak
https://twitchtracker.com/AdmiralBahroo
>8.2k avg; 10.5k peak

>>16544529
About 4-7 weeks for both.
she should be there early March even at the most pessimistic estimates.

>>16544685
AdmiralBahroo is not in Vshojo, right?

this is why numberfagging twitch is retarded, void numbers

>>16544767
nope, but added him as comparisons metric.

Used to be by far the most watched consistent vtuber on Twitch just a few months ago. Vshojo were struggling to match his average with their peaks. But they blew up in the last ~2 months.

>>16544823
that just means people didn't bother leaving a chat, they could still be watching normally, it's a very useful and clear metric.

If we're to believe everything the "cull 2020" did, then that current chatter is closer to the displayed YT "live viewer" metric.

>>16544615
Did she train?

>>16544321
Most Streams:
Gawr Gura 38
Usada Pekora 17
Kuzuha 14
or Marine 14

Gura still has more vods over 1 million views than the next 2 combined.

>>16544823
It's a promoted stream on Twitch's front page. Obviously 22k isn't Nyanners usual audience.

>>16543311
>>16543446
>>16544823
Twitch numbers are useless

>>16544823
they're embedded on front page of Twitch u retard it makes sense

>>16545033
As expected from Gura, she even stream more than Pekora

>>16545052
Just say it how it is
retards here only know how to do yt numbers
majority dont know how twitch metrics works

>>16544615
>>16544955
Chima was a member of a choir.

>>16543245
They're developing a supposedly full game it needs to sell FAR beyond voicepack numbers and shit.

Is there a Twitcast tracker? I'm curious how much Matsuri makes off of it

>>16545214
It will. But anon are talking about the absolute worst here

>>16545139
What do they even teach you there? Endurance? How to breath? To maintain notes?

Anyone know who to see all the comments a user has made on YouTube on every channel?

>>16545381
They sing songs.

>>16545408
there's vtdata but that has a cap of something like the last 50 messages that person made. also for some reason the link is considered spam
vtdata dot info

>>16545408
No site will show you every channel since there's no YouTube API for it, that would require crawling literally every stream on the site.
What >>16545568 said and also https://wesave.chat/ are pretty much the best you're going to get.

Did they fix the recent bug yet?

>>16544929
as long as you're logged into your account and watching from the user's page, you show up in the Twitch chatter list.
People that don't show up in the chatter list are:
People that are logged out
People that are watching from an embedded stream (front page/external site)
there are also certain extensions that hide you from the chatter list until you actually type in chat, but I imagine the large majority of people aren't using that.
also, you can be in chat without actually watching the stream, either in a popped out browser window or a dedicated client (Twitch chat is just fancy IRC)

>>16532601
I know you're shitposting when you do this but isn't it crazy when you think about it? You have to add everyone that's not Hololive together in order to make things look "competitive".

>>16545132
This implies these fucks know how YT's works, especially after the recent "bug" caused so much consternation.

>>16545943
You can also just uncheck those

But still, it means that Twich is doing all of these checks real time and is still able to determine how many people have the stream opened in some way.
And that's what they care to say are the number of people watching.

>>16543311
Wow these are way better numbers than the Hololive sponsored streams. This could hurt Hololive getting more sponsorships in the future.

>>16546346
You still show up in the chatter list with those unchecked. Those just control what people you have added to your Twitch friends list see.

retards are shitposting twitch`s drop boost numbers again huh

>>16544316
do the rabid nijifans even care if Bora were to join hololive since she's not part of the main branch?

>>16545052
holokeks losing to shill stream kek.

>>16546973
They just had 4 streams yesterday higher than both of those two combined...

stop replying to retarded bait

>>16532148
Towa tripped over her dick and ends up making the perfect play by accident, dies and gets a champion in Cr cup like she does every fucking time without fail and gets on the board with her 10k plus. This is why even if she is worse than all the Vspo girls at apex,jp apex fags still love her.

Buffed to hell and barely beat bae’s vod views (114k).

>>16543278
people don't know that Cover is backed by the Japanese government to get young, lonely men interested in hags to boost the birthrate. just look at how horny Mio, Botan, and Korone's fanbases are.

>>16547105
Oh, another Twapper win? What were the results, I thought Fuwa won.

>>16542557
ask Redbull. they asked Botan and Aqua to have their ad on their stream. probably quite a bit if I were to guess

>>16547176
lol thats a 3.5k ccv stream for bae, on youtube parameters
meanwhile, 11k ccv on twitch

>>16547176
Comparing VOD numbers between Youtube and Twitch is as stupid as comparing their CCV

>>16547256
No, Fuwa won the cr cup this time. Towa ate shit all day, lagged out in the first match her stream died and everything. But her team was able to win the last match so they finished a respectable 10th instead of humiliating last.

>>16546929
maybe the usual company drones and bootlickers

>>16547616
selen...

>>16546929
She is not going to join hololive, come on now. I know this thread has a hard on for holoKR but it isn't going to happen.

>>16547105
List of people who love Towa:
>VSPO
>Hololive
>some nijis
>Apex pros
>fps fans
>fps haters
>Uitate and their fans
>Eops
>vtuber haters

>>16548022
>Hololive (except for Towa)
Fixed it for you

>>16548084
>Towa doesn't love Towa
I believe it.

>>16548121
post that /hlg/ picture where Towa's only enemy is Towa...

>Ina at a rock solid 9400 for a huge chunk of the stream
Don't care if you don't believe it's nu CCV, this is definitely different from pre 2021 cull

>>16545568
>>16545768
Thanks

>>16548315
How is it different?

So what does Vox getting 13k today with heavy male overlap mean for the "they're just cannabilizing manjisanji's audience, who will ditch them soon" theory?
He was overlapping with Kuzuha, fuwa, ib and Lauren IIRC and was actually beating them at the time (despite them having higher peaks earlier).