/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Holy shit. How many of them will kill themselves now?

>>16518234
She’s definitely going to play the Nina role when starsEN comes out

>>16518332
Will she start getting Nina numbers too? Cause another menhera moment would be kino

>>16518332
I will definitely become their biggest anti if they ever associate themselves with a cunt like ki*ra.

>>16518234
the problem is that the question was impossible to answer honestly. if we said we don't want her to collab with males then her feelings would be hurt

I have no idea how English fans ended up being bigger idolschizo unicorns than Japanese fans, but it is bizarre to witness. Marine collabs with men all the time and nobody caares.

>>16518404
in JP chats they do openly say and arent afraid to say that they disapprove it. This is just KFP being cucks

>>16518404
She seems like she'll be willing to cause a Holocaust against males if she could.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubrV6yBw9qo

>>16518404
And that stopped you why? Are you that much of a faggot that you literally would rather your oshi do shit you dislike than tell her not to fucking do it in the first place

>>16518234
She's prepping them for HolostarsEN, bros! WE'VE FUCKING WON, BABY!

>>16518463
thats not true wtf

>>16518234
So much for her idol dream. Now I understand why all her previous attempts failed

>>16518234
People here already admitted they don't protest because they don't want her to make them feel bad so they kept it to themselves. While that is standard cuckold behavior in a sense, I can respect it to some degree while the people championing the idea of some male taking Kiara from them are sick in the head and should all be shot but I hope most of them don't post here.

>>16518532
Idols can interact with men platonically all they like, they just can't fuck them.

We appreciate that you took the concern fagging out of our split but we would have preferred you made your own /concern/ thread or something.

Anyway, for anyone stupid enough to take this post in good faith, its a sponsored colab. We don't know with who yet, but chances are its a literal nothing burger, like the Nyanner Collab, Shadowverse Tournament, Tales of Arise Holotalks, German Twink dokomi interview etc. etc. etc.

She tends to handle these sorts of things very well, so worst case scenario she has to bully gigguk into saying "moe moe kyun" a second time

>>16518234
Does she really think her hugbox chat is going to give her a legitimate answer?
I know we like to clown on her but I seriously thought she would be smarter than this.

>>16518463
>Marine
>Collabs with men
Huh? Are you retarded or did I miss something

>>16518234
FRT, it's pretty fucked that she spent a minute and a half wondering how to ask her chat if it was okay for her to talk to boys. Hololive culture really fucks with your head.

>>16518404
Her job to entertain us, after she done streaming she can fuck dog or horse for all I care, just don't bring it on the fucking stream

Kiara has always been for the BBC tho, they should be called the CucKFP
Pic related

>>16518463
This faggot don't watch stream

>>16518483
If they really want to, i would feel like an asshole for stopping them. At the end of the day, if they produce some content that I strongly dislike, I will simply not watch anymore.

>>16518467
If anything this mindset is even more brutal than JPs since we will silently stop watching without vocalizing anything.

>>16518234
And people keep calling her the biggest muff diver in HoloEn

>>16518463
>people who were attracted to a culture and wish it to continue are better representatives of it than the people who inspired them
Maybe more refined but it's debatable if they are better at it. It's like how early innovators in a music form inspire people who later polish the sound and get rid of the early birth pains but for some that raw style will always be better.

>>16518633
lmao

>>16518637
This is cuck behavior I was fucking shit posting but holy tarantula tits it is true

guys, do you not know those threads
>"his oshi exists within the same realm as m*les"
were just a joke?

>>16518572
holy copium anon. You do know this is just the start?

>>16518633
This was the best use of art supplies in the last 30 years.

>>16518234
I might care if this was an actually good chuuba
But it's Kiara
Who gives a shit about Kiara?

>>16518695
Right back at you, I'm not even a KFP member, I was just trying to answer as if I was one of them.

>>16518772
There are no actual KFP on /vt/ its just shitposter trying to bait each other

Nobody cares because nobody cares about Kiara. She could start the second holocaust and everyone would be like sure, whatever and act like it's another Tuesday stream.

>>16518828
Isn't her roommate an Austrian jewess tho

>>16518828
>implying she believes there was a first

>>16518766
Kiara pushing for male collabs will affect hololive as a whole

>>16519002
just like what happened with Mori?

>>16519064
Kiara even considering this is Mori's affect on her, so yes.

>>16518463
You have no idea what a true jap unicorn is like

>>16518572
Based sane anon

fucking dropped, Kiara can go suck dicks on stream for all I care now. I hate normie KFP for allowing disgusting males in HoloEN

>>16519064
Yes, Kiara wouldn't be doing this if it werent for Mori. If collabing with males becomes common in holoEN then hololive will become just another nijisanji and loss its own thing

The retarded thing about hololive male collabs is they never add anything to the entertainment value. It's basically always "I need this fps pro to carry me and get me invited to tournaments" or "stars collab". They never get anyone fun.

>>16518828
>>16518766
Well, you should because the more members do it the more likely for it to become the norm.
At first it was just Mori. Now it's Kiara, the person most people thought would be the least likely to risk her career associating with men even if she wanted to.
Who's gonna be the next? Ina? Will takos try to stop her?
If Ina ends up cracking the ice as well that will make 3/5 Myth members at which point the others can be peer pressured into it as well.
People here seem pretty confident that Gura and to a lesser extent Ame would never do it from what I've seen but I've made sure I learn nothing about their identity outside of streaming so I don't know where this confidence comes from.

>>16519166
>Fucking dropped
t. Anon that does not watch Kiara

>>16519002
No it won't
Because the other talents actually respect their fanbases and aren't ready to commit career seppuku

>>16519002
It will effect holoEN. They can go ahead and ruin their reputation, but JP will remain strong. Calli is already walking this path, so it is inevitable.

>>16518463
>English fans
A Mongolian basket weaving forum does not represent the entire fanbase

>>16518234
Nobody in KFP is delusional enough to think they have a shot at Kiara or delusional enough to think some male vtuber has a shot at her either. So of course they're fine with it. Your dramabaiting thread is a failure and so are you, eggnigger.

>>16519242
>>16519253
Well I know my JP oshi will never collab with males, but it will affect a lot of them and for future members it wont be a unspoken rule anymore

>>16519280
Thanks for the free (you) cuck

>>16518589
>Huh? Are you retarded or did I miss something
Not that anon, but she collabed with Beatmario. Twice, once per call-in and one full-on collab.

Yeah, the one Pomu wants to fuck.

It's not exactly 'All the time', but she has done it more than once.

>>16519341
Fubuki has collabed with males multiple times admittedly it's all Starts member but still

>>16519326
>Won't be an unspoken rule
>Literally has to ask for permission first
You are actually that retarded.

>>16519280
>Nobody in KFP is delusional enough to think they have a shot at Kiara
She did have at least one stalker at a con, and another one on twitter, near her location.

Some KFPs ost certainly are delusional enough to think they have a shot at having nonconsensual intercourse with her.

>>16519341
Those literally do not count, none of those were real collabs
>>16519376
Fubuki did get a lot of shit for it and Fubuki and Matsuri are old gen outliers

>>16519326
You should just be a fan of Rushia who is one of the safest option of avoiding male collabs in JP

>>16519217
I think Ina would hold fast the longest since she was the one Hololive fan in EN but I guess I could see her pressured into career suicide. She doesn't particularly prioritize her streaming and may be able to compartmentalize it in her mind. The fact most of EN already associates with Mori does suggest it's already too late for them. Hololive JP can survive these sorts of problems because there's so many girls that it doesn't matter that some of them never interact with others that might taint their brand but Ame is the only one in EN who seems to have any distance with Mori.

>>16519393
What part dont you get about the "future" thing anon? Is Kiara a upcoming member or wtf?

>>16519439
>Those literally do not count
I wasn't aware Beatmario actually has a vagina.

>>16519166
>t. triggered rainbow colored feminist

based i hope she collabs a lot with black men to increase the diversity in hololive
hololive has a strong lack of men and especially POC men
it's Ok if they are not white in my book

>>16519471
When you are a happily married old man that might as well be the case in this context

>>16519471
You might as well say they collab with males if they gave an interview to a male

>>16518752
you said that the last 5 times, get new material

>>16519439
She's still not catching shit for collabs with Oga and her near constant Twitter interactions

>>16518234
Oh so she's the birb
Kek

>>16519510
Wow, cannot wait for anons from /pol/ replying to this, and you pretending that you are not from that board

Go back...

posters in this thread is 24, replies is 54. eggs back at it again being schizos

>>16519445
I will stop watching holos if only way to not be forced to watch cuckold content is to watch GFE

>>16519604
A cuck typed this.

>>16519329
Thanks for the free chuckle, eggnigger

>>16519601
Ywnbaw

>>16519579
Also she never said it was a sponsored collab

>>16519606
>I don't want GFE
Then you should not get pissed when male collabs happen, since that is unicorn culture

>>16519643
>Ywnbaw
Ironic since a lot of anons from /pol/ are not westerners

>>16519673
this is correct
you should never be afraid to try something new and you should never gatekeep your community or hobby
be open minded, maybe you like male vtubers after all?

we need to push Japan and hololive to be more accepting, be it male collabs, POC or other genders

>>16519673
No anon. This isnt black and white. GFE is a certain extreme end of what is normal. You should watch what Lamy and Rushia and their content really is

>>16519450
>Hololive JP
Sora, Roboco, Suisei, Fubuki, Matsuri, Choco, Subaru, Marine, Towa & Botan have all interacted with men on stream, and I don't mean their audiences.

You shouldn't be worried about the ones who openly interact with them because they're secure in their knowledge that no, not every interaction with men means they'll fuck 'em.

You should be worried about the ones who DO believe that every interaction with men leads to sex and therefore keep them secret, because they're the ones getting railed by a new guy every day.

It's not the Soras or Botans who are cheating on their fans with men.

It's the Rushias and Pekoras who just can't keep their legs closed in the presence of testosterone and are therefore desperate to hide the fact that social interaction in everyday life invariable involves contact with men.

>>16519733
Go back tranny you do not andstand

>>16518234
the fact that she even has to ask about something like this is just bizarre and one thing about the whole idol/vtuber scene I'll never understand.
But maybe I'm in the minority if I just watch them for entertainment and not attempt to have a parasocial love-life with them.

>>16519792
You certainly havent watched any of the holos you just listed

>>16518633
holy kek

>>16518599
What a fucking weird thing to say, you ok anon?

>>16519828
streams without parasocial relationships are just shit, no one watches them

>>16519743
Yes /pol/ poster...
POC collab will work just look at Reine collabing with Kiara.
Other genders, Kronii and Kiara were giving us pretty good collabs and Kronii is gender-fluid

>>16519828
Its not even about the parasocial love life its the living up to an idea of being completely pure and unobtainable by anyone it's about being a beacon that says "I'm not a stupid fucking whore like that one girl you had a crush on but wouldn't even speak to you but did fuck some ugly jap from the other class because I won't fuck anyone not even you!"

>>16519912
i agree with you 100%
the slippery slope is also a right wing extremist theory and never applies
i love the fact that there are other KFPbros like you that are open minded to diverse streams

>>16519947
>>16519912
41% of KFP posters will understand

Overall this is just an example that KFP is the largest groups of yes men ever

>>16518234
RIP Kiara

>>16519812
Oh nyo, what is next you are going to mention 41%, I am so scared of a low-T beta male like you...

>>16519792
Yes, Mori's only interactions with men are for business reasons and the fact that they also spend time in each other's homes and party together is because they are all e-celebs and this is part of the job but she has never had sex and doesn't even like males. It's Ina who is secretly paying men to enter her garbage-infested den to fuck her while her parents watch.

You are a fucking retard.

>the anime girl that wont fuck you collabs with men who she also wont fuck

>>16520062
>>16519977
Too late tranny

>>16519977
>>16520062
Too late anon someone already mentioned the 41%, it is over...

>>16520062
i am high T and i love male collabs
i even sometimes (often) collab with males and my gf and watch them have fun, it's great and every KFP bro should try it
i even try to encourage diverse POC men to collab with my GF in our bedroom to increase the diversity in our relationship. it's so much fun!

>>16520072
I have it on good authority that Mori has tasted more cock than a dildo dipper

>>16519876
>>16519828
Technically you two are talking about different things. Every single streamer builds their whole stream on parasocial relationships. It doesn't have to involve romance or "love" in any way. But if the nature of that relationship, whatever kind it is, is damaged, then of course you will take a dip in supporters. Even something as simple as, say, if your supporters have formed a self-image of being "an important part of their oshi's life to listen to her worries, etc", then bringing in someone else who can play that role will obviously feel like you're reducing their importance and supplanting them.
Even for the more extreme end, where you're looking at gachikoi parasocial relationships, the idea that "you'll never be together with her/she'll never fuck you" is a ludicrous argument because most of them aren't in it for that. For them it's just being lied to. You might as well be mystified why ZilianOP crashed hard because, well, "you'll never push his wheelchair IRL, why do you care if he's really disabled or not".

>>16520129
his post was sarcasm

jesus christ the state of this thread
i would love to be a janny just to know how much of this "arguement" is just one guy replying to himself, my guess is at least 70%

>>16520111
>GF
Yeah... anon that is something you will never have

>>16520140
And?

>>16520149
replace that j in janny with tr and you are good mate

>>16520080
She is going to fuck me, and we are going to stream it....
Yes my meds do not actually work

>>16518234
Kiara prepping her KFP fans for a Mysta collab.

>>16518234
I love the chicken. However, KFPs only say it's okay now because they don't want to admit they're degenerate weaboos that are trapped in a parasocial relationship. Once she actually does it, a lot of them just will quietly leave in droves and damper her SC earnings considerably. Especially her new Korean friends will not tolerate this. She's probably the last person in all of HoloEN that could afford this because most of her earnings come from quite a few obsessed people.

>>16520211
If she doesn't bite your head off after all the Kiara feminist posters will issekai themselves

>105 replies
>36 posters
Jesas

>>16519828
Vtubers are by nature playing a character, so if they aren't going to play a character you'll never find in the real world, what's the point? You can find whores anywhere, there's nothing special about them. People just want to pretend that at least a fictional female can have some integrity. As long as they keep their degenerate real-life out of their character, it should be possible. Once they are no longer able to separate their real-life and their character, they should graduate but since they don't do that, fans can get overly concerned about their real lives because they know it will bleed into their character. Ideally the solution would be to get better at actually hiring anonymous people whose only history is as previous characters rather than those who have a whole real-life persona online. It seems unlikely but most of Hololive are fairly anonymous online in a sense, it's only those like Kiara and Mori that had/have extremely public personas for a long time before they leeched off the Hololive brand to finally justify their past failures. The reason people don't freak out as much about some of the other girls is we really don't have a frame of reference to go off outside of their character and it's all completely wild speculation.

>>16520247
109 replies 38 posters

>>16520152
owned me, I'm out

>>16520239
If she does make the mistake of having legit collabs with males, she'll learn really quickly to not do it again

>>16520190
>TRANNY TRANNY KEK KEK KEK TRANNY
do you know another word or two, underage-kun?

>>16518234
Just don't drag or guilt-trip other members.

>>16520308
Well I suppose we could call you a confused faggot if it helps speed you to the rope

>>16520308
>i would love to be a janny

>>16518234
get cucked KFP kek

>>16519673
>not wanting to hear male voices while watching cute larping anime girls = you're a unicornfag who automatically assumes they're fucking
Not him, but GFE turns me off. I also don't care who they're with or fuck off stream as long as it stays off stream

>>16520336
You mean like Ollie?

>>16518234
Why even ask this? Of course her chat is going to be nothing but supportive. People who actually care will just stop watching and giving her money

KFP is a cult. Kiara gets a free pass on anything.

>>16518234
Just how insecure are you faggot?

>>16520243
eigo jouzu

>>16520421
>You mean like Ollie?
Yes, keep it to yourself like FBK, Matsuri or Mori???

>>16520137
parasocial relationship is a pretty broad term that can apply to anything basic like responding to comments after a video, interacting with chat to the gachikoi/idol thing. What I can't understand is how you can take things so far that even talking to males is enough to destroy that relationship. What mindset do you need to have to consider them whores just by existing in the same space as males?

>>16520474
>Mori
>keeping it to herself
If only.

>>16520503
Talking to males has literally never been the issue, stop trying to fight a battle nobody is having. If that were the issue, Yagoo would have had to step down from the company a long time ago. Nobody is upset he's in Holotalk this week either.

>>16518234
>holo girls have to tiptoe around merely just talking to a dude during a fucking sponsorship stream to not upset the feelings of holovirgins

The ironic is that a considerable portion of them are chuds who constantly bitch about libs being snowflakes while they're the ones with glass hearts

>>16519828
I agree

I would also be very shocked if any meaningful percentage of the EN viewership cared about this shit. With the japanese it makes sense since there's a pre-existing idol culture where this shit is normal, but I'd reckon the overwhelming majority of western Hololive fans do not care in such a personal level. Of course, the problem is that the ones who do are probably going to be gachikoi currently showering them in SC

>>16520473
どうも

>>16520526
but talking to males is exactly what Kiara is asking permission for, it's in the OP. That's the point of this thread.

>>16520347
your reply reps, underage-kun

>>16520342
damn, even faggot?
i imagine nigger is next, to truly show the full extent of the vocabulary
or maybe not, since the odds you're a SEAnigger or otherwise brown subhuman are pretty high

>>16520239
This. She can do as many polls as she wants and get the answers she wants, but the minority who are willing to give her almost their entire paycheck and support her most fiercely won't like it and will just leave. And those normies who push her to stream with a man the next day will easily leave to watch a streamer who is more interesting to them

>>16519200
the fun guys dont want to collab with holo because they fear schizos stabbing them

>>16520577
Most of EN's viewership align with you and actively hates JP and champions the idea of EN destroying idol culture. I am curious however if you are right that the majority of donators belong to the real community. Even if they do it's clear they are too cowardly to voice their opinions. I guess it's something you can only track long-term if she suddenly gets less superchats but I imagine a lot of them are in so deep they can't stop even if they feel hurt by her.

>>16520630
>Bitches about /pol/
>cry over tranny and faggot
>Is okay with calling brown people subhuman
I guess there is hope for you after all if you don't statistic yourself

>>16520692
Meds

>>16520526
Yagoo is a meme, even hardcore Japs don't think of him as a man

>>16520586
No she isn't, she is asking for her character to collab with males. Everyone knows her real self talks to males, she even gave some control of her home and tried to stand up to them when they wanted to steal from her and she only kinda succeeded. It's clear in real life men do whatever they want to her.

>>16520630
only an American would be so happy and defensive of his fav holo to collab with males
have fun KFPbro

>>16520787
So you admit you want someone you could actually imagine fucking Kiara to collab with her instead. Get help.

>>16520786
How many cocks has her log chopper seen

>>16518572
>Shadowverse
Remember how this was supposed to be the thing that killed vtubing in the west? This has to be one of /vt/'s biggest spergouts over nothing.

>>16520692
God I hate ENfags. They hate hololive and want to destroy it

>>16520586
>>16520786
if you like kiara after the doxes you will like her after collabing with males
nothing will change for her

>>16520833
All the men in the apartments around her told her to strip naked in public and she just took comfort in her cats so I bet it's 3 digits at least.

>>16520809
are these posts AI generated?
i feel like i'm "arguing" with a bot, not a person

>>16520895
there is nothing to argue about since i agree with everything you said

>>16520692
Even if it does happen I wouldn't exactly say it's "cowardly". It's more like, what is it worth anymore if you voice your actual opinion? It's like if a husband forgets a wife's wedding anniversary. Well, his wife could just make sure to remind him a week in advance, couldn't she? But that would defeat the whole purpose.

who cares? all western women are whores anyways so there's not a single holoEN member that doesn't fuck dogs and niggers in my mind

somehow this was no problem for her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goBi6kuyquw
But collabing with yagoo is.

Kiara is a retard for even asking. Botan shows up at 2 promotional panels containing males and does the job like a professional. Thinking these EN whores can just do their jobs is giving them too much credit

>>16520786
why are you talking about her roommate? That was never the point of the discussion. It's about Kiara talking to males and how that would destroy the relationship she has to her fans.

>>16520877
I try to combine the character and the actor in my head but it's hard sometimes, in general I think the character has to cross a significant enough line for me to no longer be able to separate them. I'm sure Kiara will get there eventually but for now I'm more concerned her fanbase will accelerate that inevitability rather than letting her get another year or two out of this whole vtubing thing.

>>16518234
>Having to ask fans permission to collab with a male.
The absolute state of holofags and idolkeks in general. You may as well just kill yourselves already as you that fucking pathetic. I'm literally embarrassed for you.

>>16520999
the vtuber thing was her chance to get away from her past as stripper, naked wrestler, patron/onlyfans whore etc .
she just does not want it
she wants exactly what her roommate was, it's not her fanbase pushing her back into it

>>16520965
Half of EN aren't actually white though. They are Asian diaspora and with a little work I think they could be saved and transfer to JP when EN is closed for being a dumpster fire.

>>16521062
:^)

>>16520886
Kek

>>16520692
I think it would depend on the context. Like say Gura somehow met Dante's VA, became friends with him, and decided to bring him on stream, I think there would be nothing but excitement. But if it was some random guy, or even a literally who vtuber I think there would be fanbase infighting. At that point even the people who don't care would have to take a side, and the holo would likely recieve mostly support, but will lose SC.

But nobody outside of here is even worried about this, and likely won't ever think about it until after it's happened. I suggest people here do the same.

>>16521112
>you're either a worthless subhuman or a redditor

>>16521170
This needs to happen I wanna see chumkeks seeth

>>16521062
Why else would you watch them? Purely for entertainment content men are much more interesting. If it's just me, the only women i watch are Hololive, otherwise it's male bloggers.

>>16518234
>When did you guys embrace the cuck life
Can't embrace the cuck life if you don't want to fuck 'em

>>16519326
>>16519253
>>16519002
>>16518234
JP and ID collab with males quite often though.
Stop being so insecure

>>16521337
link the last collab stream

>>16520990
It is the discussion, the "yes Kiara please suck dicks on stream" crowd believe it is a moral wrong for anyone to question the actions of Kiara the character and openly say so. They see it as controlling the person behind Kiara even though [roommate] herself understands she has no ownership of the Kiara character, this massive section of her fanbase does not. The people who are voicing their concerns over the character being destroyed are the ones who actually get what's at stake here and they have already accepted the person behind the character is not what they want. The type of people who just want to destroy the character will feel nothing over a graduation because they can just sign up for her onlyfans the next day but people who liked the character will have lost something important to them.

>>16521305
a weak or servile man (often used as a contemptuous term for a man with moderate or progressive political views).
>Okaying your oshis choice to stream with men goes against traditional idol values
Thus you are a cuck

>>16521337
People here shit on those girls you are referencing.

>>16521362
this was very well said

>>16518463
>English fans
>Seanigger idolfags*
FTFY

>>16521337
Jps that stream with males get called whores all the time and no one cares what Indogs do because subhumans will always be subhuman

>>16521362
Both sides of this argument are the same, they just have a different idea of what the character should be - one side wants more kayfabe and seperation, the other less.

>16521475

>>16521388
>a weak or servile man
Is it really weak if you know boundaries and let people do their own thing?

>Okaying your oshis choice to stream with men goes against traditional idol values
Those said idol values are shit and just there to placate potential trouble makers (like a small subset of this board)

I'd much rather my oshi be happy doing what they want to do.

>>16521584
Okay cuck

>>16518467
It's more a western thing where you aren't allowed to say you want you chubba to be a unicorn without facing backlash from other people in the community.
I'm pretty sure if you had a group of people act like their JP counterparts and disapprove of her collabing with males, they get broadsided by all angles.

>>16521642
they can go indie if they want to do that

>lowest performing member in the gen does shit collabs
That train is never late

>>16521337
You dont watch JP if you use this as an argument

>>16518234
Having this question on stream is such a waste of time, people on chat won't say no because they don't want to sound like assholes and clip watchers will support because they are fucking clip watchers, the chance they contribute with actual views in a live stream is really low especially when it comes to Kiara

>>16518234
what's so special about this? anyone partaking in "look, don't touch" is a cuck by default.

>>16518467
More lime KFP not tolerating idol faggotry. Good, because we don't need that shit in EN.

>>16521632
You will never fuck your oshi, pathetic loser.

>182 replies
>59 posters
Ahahahahahahaha holy fucking shit how are Kiara antis this utterly pathetic?

>>16521832
Why do you even watch hololive if you hate it?

>>16521832
*like

>>16521746
Towa collabs with rpr all the time during apex streams, Fubuki has streamed with a lot of Holostar, Subaru used to collab with that one dude all the time till she decided to go the idol route for gachikoi money, Matsuri well you know.

>>16521362
>what's at stake
>destroy the character
what exactly is at stake, and what exactly is getting destroyed if Kiara - the character - talks to a male on stream?
That's what I don't understand. Nothing changes if Kiara - the character - exists in the same vicinity as males (unless you have a very unhealthy parasocial love-life). And that's why I don't understand why you brought up her roommate. It doesn't make a difference what her roommate thinks or does if the point of the discussion is Kiara - the character - and her stream content.

CucKFP you simping for this?

>>16521866
/ggg/ general has double the replies and about the same number of posters so get fucked retard

>this thread
go to bed chumpoops

>>16521866
eggs gonna crack, always a laugh

>>16521886
Towa gets a lot shit for it and has taken hit for it and this is with rpr, a pro player who doesnt even speak Japanese so collabing with him is a lot more tolerable.

Fubuki gets a lot shit for it, barely does it either and is old gen outlier anyway. Matsuri is indeed Matsuri. No one gives a shit what she does.

>>16518234
Between this and Mori’s yab it hasn’t been a good week for Myth fans at all.

>>16521886
Half of these girls either underperform when doing Collab with males or have to talk with the wall to avoid hate

>>16521847
Better chances than you cuck mine likes my shit when I tweet at her how about yours?

>>16521886
Take this image fellow anon, it will help you

>>16521556
Exactly. One side doesn't understand Kiara is a character and the other does. Nobody is telling her roommate to stop interacting with males. It's just one side can't understand why her roommate and the character would make different choices and the other side wants to support a Kiara that retains the good qualities she had when they first became attached. I'm genuinely unsure which side will win in the short-term though I think everyone including Kiara's roommate would agree the former group will win in the end. It's just a question of how long she is able to hold off the inevitable and actually enjoy this success that Kiara has given her. I do think her conflicting feelings on it are genuine and she is trying to give an issue like this some thought even if she makes the stupid choice in the end.

>>16521870
I don't hate Hololive. I hate the part of idol culture that fosters a sense of entitlement and ownership over the girls.

>>16522041
God damn Mio got in on it too lmao

>>16522019
She likes it too, what are you trying to do? Isn't something that special you know?

>>16521870
it's quite enjoyable to watch it get tainted and destroyed by the whores. go Kiara!

>>16522082
Then you hate hololive. Go watch Nijisanji. Its in the fucking name. Holo fucking live. Its like you ran in to a vegan restaurant and screamed that they didnt serve meat there

>>16521924
Your samefagging is transparent and your attempt to manufacture outrage is futile considering not even Kiara's biggest goslings give a fuck about her collabing with men. Seethe for eternity, schizo.

>>16522010
>>16522001
The cope is real
Also Fubuki doesn't catch half the shit she should hell she still @s Oga every time he does anything to the point that everyone know she wants his horn

>>16522154
Oh? Then reply with my samefagging and will screenshot it for good measure to see how wrong you are and if I've deviated from what I've posted retard.

>>16522068
both sides understand that Kiara is a character, it's just that one side watches her for entertainment and the side other watches her to fulfill their love-life. And while the latter one has more whales to milk, the long-term healthier option is obviously to stick with the first one.

>>16522082
Go watch indies you fucking retard, Hololive owns the characters and they fund them through the fans.

>>16522148
Or, you could grow the fuck up and not sperg out because your oshi maybe, sometimes, collabs with a male? The issue is with you guys, not the girls.

>>16522369
Again, find an interest you dont actually hate. Stop forcing your shit to other people

>>16522328
Even if we somehow pretend that's true, that on some level they all understand there's a character mixed in. The former group doesn't actually respect the core concept of what a vtuber is while the latter does. The former group just wants another twitch thot and in fairness even twitch thots are playing characters but there is something different about a twitch thot and a vtuber. Vtubers are meant to be the characters from the fiction you enjoy in a way that you can interact with them.

>>16522334
You can still be a fan and not lose your shit like an autistic child because they had a collab with a male. Maybe you should try that?

Thank god my oshi would never think of something so stupid.

This is why my oshi is neither vtuber or female. Jerma would never.

>>16521832
Do you have any idea what Kiara fucking was/is/wanted to be for the last like ten fucking years? If she backtracks on that she has truly nothing notable about her at all and becomes truly worthless, almost skill-less as Ame only with a horrible personality and voice, which Japanese speaking is probably not enough to offset.

>>16521746
What the fuck are you even talking about?

>>16521436
>>16521475
No, people shit on ENs whenever there might be a possibility they might talk with a male

>>16521353
I'll link you one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUfN611mCjY

>>16522369
Curious that your types can't even pretend you believe the girls should be able to choose not to collaborate with males even when many of them clearly do not want to, this is always presented as a problem of theirs that needs to be resolved. When Kiara is hesitant about collabing with males, why was nobody telling her she shouldn't feel pressured to collab with a male for a sponsorship when it clearly makes her uncomfortable. Instead they thought this was a sign of evil society that she was uncomfortable. Of course she should get spitroasted for entertainment!

>>16522478
Says the faggot forcing the girls to change their behaviour because of the fear of a unicorn spergout. You're everything that is wrong with idol culture.

>>16522175
That's because Fubuki is a grown, mature woman.
Kiara would sock horsecock on stream if she thought it would give her views.

>>16522675
No one is forcing the girls to be part of hololive you fuck. They chose this themselves and signed up to be idols.

ITT /vt/ has a meltdown about something that already happened

>>16522484
>respect the core concept of what a vtuber is
please give me the definition of this core concept and why having the character talk to males is going against that.

>>16522675
there's niji and vshojo if you want to whore yourself out and have onlyfans
stop trying to force your shit where it doesn't belong

>>16522762
just seafags with their schizo made up rules and delusions.

>>16520062
>>16520111
you two are retards who act like your alphas when in reality your just some bitch niggers

>>16522643
>when it clearly makes her uncomfortable
It's because of the backlash she might face from her fans (or antis falseflagging).
You make it sound like she'd get scared around a male as if she's never talked with one.

> Of course she should get spitroasted for entertainment!
Why is your brain immediately going there?

Why do you guys even scream into the void in fucking /vt/, Kiara has the vod up she knows how the idol world works just go there and say some shit, the fact that people let the graynames rule what the ''community'' thinks will only change hololive more and more

>>16522829
Nope your just a Cuck parroting classic cope its always
>Seanigger
>schizos
>eggs
>falseflaggers
Or some combination

>>16518234
I don't care what Kiara does but if Gura ever collabs with a man I'm going to become the most destructive anti on this site

>>16522936
Its because Kiara lurks her as part of her ego surfing shitting on her here always some how get to her in the long run

>>16518499
nijisisters i kneel... your subversion tactic is a huge success, the downfall of hololive and rise of nijisanji is next.

>>16523009
It coming and Kiara is gonna pave the way

>>16522785
You pretending to be retarded doesn't work here. Just admit that what you consider a good character development other people consider a bad one, it's no different then every polarizing character action that takes place in an anime or manga where some people love it and will blindly defend it and others want to kill the author for destroying the character. Making [popular character] into a homosexual wouldn't ruin them for you even though it would for many others but making [homosexual character] into a normal human would upset you greatly despite being the exact same thing.

>>16522148
>>16522478
Not him but where is this angle coming from?
I don't get it, they aren't forbidden from collabing with males or vtubers from other agencies.

>>16522484
>The former group doesn't actually respect the core concept of what a vtuber is while the latter does.
I thought it's a streamer using an avatar.

>>16522936
If she cares what people think, she will read what I said here. If she doesn't care what people think, it won't matter if I say it over there.

Egg here

>>16523013
you are suppose to post this ironically, not actually believe it.

>>16523009
Gura is unironically the last EN that would do it

>>16523184
what?

>>16523162
The most popular vtuber who brought the concept into the mainstream wouldn't even acknowledge there was a human behind the character as much as possible. That is the ideal.

>>16523197
Dyrbi

>>16523009
>Gura
Who cares

>>16520982
remember hag is an understatement to botan she so old it make fucks like mio feel young ain't nobody worried about that shit

>>16523083
Not much of a definition there. Sounds like you need your meds.

>>16523165
>If she cares what people think, she will read what I said here
Imagine thinking you are more important than you actually are kek

>>16523246
true. but just like the rest of them, she WILL do it.

>>16522933
I mean she's definitely damaged goods, if you believe even half the things she says it would be natural to assume she is uncomfortable around males she can't control.

>>16523427
If she doesn't start streaming less than Sana first.

Thank him later, he paved the way

>>16523379
Go be a faggot somewhere else.

>>16523083
>You pretending to be retarded doesn't work here.
The fuck are you talking about? The question was supposed to make you reflect a bit, but it obviously failed since you refused to answer it.
It's obvious people want different things from a vtuber. What I'm arguing is that having such a high expectation/high standard for a character that just having the character interact with a male destroy it is stupid, unhealthy both for the streamer and the viewer and not worth protecting. And as someone who watches the character solely for entertainment, I have trouble understanding how you can even end up with such a mindset.

>>16523423
Imagine not being able to finish reading a one-line post.
>If she doesn't care what people think, it won't matter if I say it over there.
It's venting no matter where you do it, there's no magical place where you can vent that she will suddenly take you seriously. She either cares or she doesn't.

>>16523487
Could you not provide him with a proped definition anon instead of deflecting?

>>16523484
And her

>>16523578
How many days till the next fingering stream?

why do ENfags so desperately want to turn hololive into your typical twitch thot garbage
it's like smearing shit on your own walls then going to someone else's house and doing it to them too

>>16523578
Last but not least

>>16523013
>>16523165
>All the holos totally read lurk here guys and see every single thread
Yeah get ready to have your oshi fucked by a male with this mentality

>>16523467
she'll need to stream less than Coco to avoid males.

>>16523538
Again, you continue with the act. Once you admit that not everyone has to have the same opinion on every development of a character they like, maybe we can have a discussion but until then of course you won't understand anyone else's mindset because you don't even understand your own. I get why you see this as a non-issue, I just don't agree with you. There already countless vtubers that meet your needs, but you can't settle for them, you want every single one to be the same. There can't be any left for people who want something different.

>>16523643
>all the holos
Nope just the two Mori because shes that kind of faggot and Kiara because shes that much of an egotist even her roommate is an egotist to the extreme

>>16523671
Gura graduation when? Before or after Holostars EN

>>16523695
they have never read your posts here. you have wasted your time and life believing that.

>>16522328
That you keep misconstruing audience attachment for 'love-life' is the root of this issue. If "entertainment" alone brought viewers then Matsuri's numbers should not have such a huge discrepancy when she again started taking up the same games as many other holos. She's not any less animated or interesting when she's playing Pokemon or Ark than many other holos, and yet her viewers don't return. Why? Because her viewers became disconnected from her as a streamer from the endless APEX streams, her numbers suffered even when she switched away from them. They simply weren't invested in her in-game failures or successes any longer, even if the setting was more interesting. Because they felt no strong connection to her.

It's not that there is no way for a vtuber to collab 'safely' with males. But because most male streamers have as their strong suit the fact that they are very relatable and similar to their audience, if not handled correctly it can quickly become a situation where the audience is thinking "why am I here?" Any assurance, game advice, or help in-game, the vtuber can receive from the male collab partner. Any emotional support, he can better provide as a friend/coworker/fellow in the same line of work. None of this requires any sort of serious relationship. But then the effect becomes akin to watching a streamer dual-stream on Twitch/YT, but only responding to one chat. For the other chat, it's like they're on the other side of a two-way mirror, looking in, with no way to interact. So at this point, you have to ask, what is the audience getting out of this? Just to watch (ironically)? That defeats the whole point of streaming as an interactive relationship.

But like I said, there are ways to avoid this. For one, Selen dodges this issue regularly because she makes sure to involve her chat often even during collabs, playing off them to provide more material to prod on her collab partners. But most vtubers are so preoccupied with their partners that it's like their audience basically vanishes - which is fine when it's someone which their audience watches as well, but if it's someone their audience has no attachment to or, worse, threatens their position, as above, then people are going to lose attachment.

>>16523282
It's different with Ai because she is strictly playing a character which is why her videos/streams are so scripted and around an hour long.
Kizuna Ai is more of a corporate production.

With streams it's a different story, you can't play a role for that long, at least not slipping up.
Then you have the zatsus and member streams which are more personal.

>>16523724
as a proud chumfag, I hope it's before. but I'm not certain she has the will to quit over it. I already bought the rope.

>>16523770
And if nothing else it always pisses off the outlier fans who get ass blasted over the most ignorable shit

>>16523578
>>16523484
See
>>16522762

There was nothing to pave. Collabs with males have always been a thing

I do somewhat agree that all of hololive suddenly collaborating with males would ruin the experience. But how does appearing on stream and interacting with a male equal twitch thottery? Unless of course you believe that this is a slippery slope to them getting gangbanged on stream.

HoloEN will get a male (or mixed) generation so they all will eventually collab with a man

>Holostars EN
Not gonna happen. Cover would be cancelled by the western audience for segregating males end females members in different groups.

>>16523892
Is it suddenly when ID and JP already do it though?

>>16523882
egg chumbuds are extra schizo they literally believe kiara will force gura to suck a cock on stream one day

>>16523604
>thot garbage
its not like gura did colab with a literal thot in her past life oh wait...

>>16523892
It is a slippery slope and we're already on it, people want to slow the slide for as long as possible. We've already had to put up with sex on stream, the slippery slope is that with each new person to do it, there will be less incentive for the remainder to hold off.

>>16523604
Because the ''female only'' strategy is successful and that makes people mad

>>16523998
it's not like hololive is a new life where one doesn't have to repeat the mistakes of their past oh wait...

You will never fuck a vtuber.
You will never fuck anyone.
You will die, a beta.

Egg here

>>16523083
What are you talking about?
First we go from "vtuber core concept" then you go on about character development and then you talk about gays

>>16524106
WTF

>>16524109
The real schizos where the fans defending the shit behavior all along

> My oshi is a virgin goddess, never interacts with men and will not betray my feelings

>>16524046
Here's a question, I'm not sure how truly far gone the EN fanbase is because they disgust me too much to really spend time with them but do you think all the clamoring for Holostars EN would disappear if they just introduced trannies as part of the female branch? Like do people actually want male vtubers in Hololive or do they just want to destroy the successful Hololive model?

>>16524175
>definitely not me who looks for a vtuber that will never look at or touch a m*le.

you realize that youll be laughed at in any community in the west, and ywnbj

>>16524216
I think Trannies would get hate even if hololive did collab with males lmao, also yes people don't actually watch holostars or even give the guys a view in the most basic streams they just want to prove a point and destroy the space that made hololive popular

>>16523604
Last time I checked twitch thots didn't have males in the streams either though.
See >>16524046
It's not that people want males in their streams, it's that they wouldn't mind.


>>16524216
>or do they just want to destroy the successful Hololive model?
Take your fucking meds. It's not like Cover fired the homos. They're still around and do their thing.
I can see why some people would want homoEN, same way why people like holoEN just with males.
It's not some kind of attack on hololive, seriously how did you even get that idea?
Personally I don't give a fuck if they'll introduce a holoEN

>>16524334
Stars get ccv in the low hundreds, sometimes even double-digits. The people who are trying so fucking hard to fight on their behalf are absolutely a fucking crazy loud minority relative to the actual Hololive fandom. They use underhanded shaming tactics to try to win arguments in favor of forcing in shit like 2% of the fans care about into the big frontline leading Holos' spaces and it's pathetic to see.

Drive-by poster here to say that I can't believe there are people here actually wringing their hands over the idea of their oshi talking to a man. I know some people might be trolling, OP most of all, but statistically some of you have to be serious, and you're fucking pathetic. People are writing whole manifestos here trying to defend this hardcore idol culture "I am a pure virgin who belongs to everyone" nonsense, and all I can think about is Towa being forced to make a public apology for having a male voice in the background of her stream for 0.7 seconds.

I sound like an SJW for stating the fucking obvious here.

>>16524561
I would have absolutely zero problem with a HomoEN that was a counterpart to HomoJP. (I mean barring the problems with the concept of an EN branch generally). But the people clamoring for HomoEN also don't like the way HomoJP is, the whole point of their clamoring for more Homo Holos is they demand there be absolutely no distinction between them and the girls. That is the part that shows their real interest is destruction of the Hololive model. They hear about the struggles of HomoJP and think, "this isn't right, Holoculture is disgusting" rather than "this was to be expected, good for them for eventually finding their footing and doing their own thing, I can respect that".

>>16524717
Pretty sure Towa got in trouble for lying about who was in her stream to save face and implicating Cover in something that was her own fault. Nobody cares if someone is upfront about being terrible right from the start, they can generally ignore those types (Ollie, Mori). It's when someone pretends to respect their audience until they feel they've gotten enough money and then decide to join the rest of the whores that bothers people.

>>16524296
Nigger who cares? The west is a fucking joke anyway and no one wants to be a jew

>>16524717
>NFT whore pic
>Sound like a SJW
>Cuck behavior post defending Nu-fan behavior
Back to twitter you go faggot

>>16525090
tell me youre 13 without telling me youre 13

>>16525208
Tell me your a cuck with no argument without telling me your a cuck with no argument

>>16525207
no.

>>16525262
<this is your face, who is the real cuck?

>>16524892
>They hear about the struggles of HomoJP and think, "this isn't right, Holoculture is disgusting
I think it's more about "man, they work hard too but don't get as much success as the girls. that sucks"
I don't think renaming would change much but even if they'd call holostars "hololive STARS" or something like that it wouldn't make much difference. It would just be a different name.

I don't see how it would be different if the homos would get called "hololive" too. It would be the same desu

>>16525323
>le funny meme
based

>>16525323
>He can't even meme arrow right
Go back.

>>16525207
>Nu-fan behavior
JPs have been collabing with males even before hololive became so popular.
Losing your shit because a male talks to your oshi is nu-fan behaviour

>>16525331
Homolive

>>16518234
Wow in the first five seconds i saw like three responses saying no before being tsunami'd by a bunch of yes's
KFP you have no right to ever pretend that Kiara is gfe in any way.

>>16525331
Considering that literally 98 of the top 100 streamers on twitch are males, the idea that there's some unfairness at play here from the audience side is frankly a little gross.

>>16525441
And they got shit on heavily for it lrn2follow threads newfag

>>16525487
If you don't remember, Kiara literally offered marriage early in her stream before getting barraged with a horde of 'uhhh no'

>>16525496
Is that why they're still doing it?

>>16525490
I think it's more about the whole idol thing.

>>16525331
The situation from my perspective is simply that the girls are further along in the process. All these people who complain about Holostars not sharing in the glory missed the early days of Hololive when those girls had to work hard and most of them had big failures and wanted to quit and plenty of them are hardly relevant even today even if they are still active. It's the new generations of Hololive that don't have to work and can still get way more attention than Holostars (not everyone even agrees that is a good thing) but even the Holostars themselves don't want to just be handed undeserved success this deep into the process. If they ever end up similarly successful and strong as Hololive did then their new generations could also be runaway success like HoloX but that will take time. The solution isn't to just suddenly pretend Holostars and Hololive are the same thing, it would be forced and ruin both branches. The members who want to collab with one another between the branches already do and yet the girls remain more popular.

>>16525609
Tell me you don't follow JP without telling me you follow JP or read threads. Yet again nigger lrn2follow threads newfag

>>16525609
>they
You mean Fubuki and Matsuri only? Gen2 stop doing that altogether. Gen0 too except once in awhile song collab or totsu.

>Mumei and Bae in more male collabs
The good times are ending

>>16525441
From my perspective, people can't articulate it but they are worried about a chuuba losing their connection to their audience because it is very easy for a good (in terms of having his shit together) male vtuber to appear to do everything the chat does (and better) if the chuuba doesn't set appropriate boundaries. If they are handled appropriately there is no issue.

>>16525686
And it all started with ID collabs why do Indogs turn everything they touch into shit

>>16525686
FUCKING INDOG WHORES

>>16525686
Wait, who the fuck's schedule is this? I thought Mumei was going to do Garcticphone with Holobirds? Is she this stupid she accidentally agreed to the wrong one?

>>16525645
Astel really inclined when he demonstrated he was good enough to climb to Masters and drag people along with him. Stream quality and finding reasons for people to watch you is a big part of it.

>>16525545
Honestly that was on her for going so hard on the Takamori thing. It made people feel really confused if she was actually lesbian

>>16525672
>>16525684
I read the threads though. You just keep moving the goalposts
>They shouldn't collab with males
>JPs already did and still do
>No, they didn't. Post proof
>post video
>But they were hated for that!

>Gen0 too except once in awhile song collab or totsu.
So they stopped but not really?

>>16525496
>they got shit on it
You weren't even around when this fucking shit was happening, you dumb fuck.
I bet you don't even know Miko collabed with guys.
Off yourself.
THEY decided to chase the money. THEY did. It had fuck-all to do with the "fans" decisions.
The money is in lonely otaku types, not normalfags like they had before.
The OTAKU are the "nu-fans", as you put it.

>>16526203
Not just me faggot its not goal post moving and you clearly never read the thread newfag kys

>>16525652
That is really fucking stupid though.
That makes it sound like you can only have one friend.
You also need to consider that while there is sometimes a connection between the viewers/chat and the streamer, that relationship isn't really on equal footing.

>>16525717
You're probably right. I mean what do people want, to have them play Minecraft together? You can get that anywhere else. Would girls being excited about Disney shit somehow be better with a penis involved? You want some guy to tell Kiara she's being stupid when she gets insecure? To beat her in Mario Kart? To teach her Korean? To draw with her and talk about how depressed he is? Play Animal Crossing? I swear people don't even think about what they are asking for. What exactly would be improved in her collabing with members in Mario Party by letting them turn on voice chat. Why does anyone want that? Kiara specifically flirts with every single person she collabs with, to pretend that is completely meaningless if a male is swapped in is ridiculous because it means either she will behave completely different or suddenly you've gone from watching Yuru Yuru to watching Blacked.

>>16526306
I wasn't calling you a samefag, you retarded phoneposter.
I just responded to both of you

>>16526341
I seriously question how you people function in society.

>>16526308
??? I have no idea why you replied to me, I'm not sure you're even in the right thread.

>>16526248
>hur dur I'm a fucking know nothing
Faggot the fans are the money saying the decided to chase the money while saying the decided to not appeal to the fans is the most retarded shit anyone's ever typed on /vt/ kill yourself by drinking bleach retard

>>16526308
>>16526398
I fucked up, meant to reply to
>>16525717

>>16526388
>muh society
Keep it to yourself faggot.

>>16526401
>original fanbase gets replaced by chasing and pandering to a more profitable audience

>>16526401
Yes, the fans they decided to chase, at the expense of the original fanbase they once had.
God you faggots are dense as fuck. I guess it is to be expected from tourists. You brought this sites collective intelligence down to the low double digit territory all on your own, one board.

>>16526388
obviously he doesn't

I challenge anyone to show me a clip or a stream by a Holo who doesn't collab with males and then try to explain how it would be improved by adding in a male without admitting it gets you hard. To stay specifically on topic, try it with Kiara.

>>16518463
Idk about Marine but Matsuri has a fair amount, Towa does alot, Fubuki and Calli have done collabs with holostars and Calli appeared on Trash Taste...twice lol.

The real fans just want to see their oshis happy

>>16526644
Curiously, you choose to spend your time with us despite your disgust rather than in society. I guess that cuckold mindset extends beyond your tastes in women.

>>16526692
bro these cucks will never admit to it

>>16526713
How do retards like you even find this site? Seriously. I would love to know.

>>16526810
Simps were mocked on this site in 2005 as well.
Everyone shit on Crackychan faggots then as hard as they do you faggots now.

>>16526308
It's precisely because it isn't on equal footing that the streamer has to be more careful with it. Anyone in a streamer's closer contacts SHOULD naturally take precedence over viewers - but part of your job is to either not bring it up, or turn it into stream content in a viewer-inclusive way. I had a friend some years back who dated a minor DOTA female celebrity. Two dates in she told him about her streaming and asked him whether he was okay being a part of that, being on-stream as her boyfriend. He wasn't, so he pulled out. That's the way it should go.
You can say that's not fair. But when going to a competitor is a single click away, it's not really about what's fair or not. If the streamer is well-aware of the consequences, they can do it. But a lot of them seem to think that 'well I'm not remotely going to be in a relationship with anyone I collab with" without realizing that that's not the actual issue at hand. It's always about the relationship with your audience.

>>16526491
>>16526486
>They cant deny that capitulation to unicorns was ultimately the best move financially and thus the unicorns and the idols got what they wanted along with JP fans getting to stick to idol culture and standards
It must suck needing to cope this hard all the time

>>16526865
>Calling me the simp
Did you even read his post ESL-kun?

>>16526907
How about you put more emphasis on your fucking point then.

>>16526893
I could make an NFT of me taking a shit, write some deep story behind it and sell it for several hundred grand to some rich asshole with more money than braincells, doesn't mean I will.
I actually have a soul and don't like taking advantage of the mentally disabled.

Bros.... You know she said it's a sponsored stream, right?

>>16526893
Either you're shitposting or you're not seeing the irony

>>16526982
So you admit you just want the girls to suffer so that you don't have to face the consequences of your conscience. Typical scum behavior.

>>16526982
And? If they got what they wanted at the end of the day does it matter? Your missing the fucking point unicorns are the life blood once you pull the trigger and stop appealing to them money starts drying up hence why they changed tactics to appeal to them nigger.

>>16527088
If unicorns are the life blood then why is kson #1 and #2 despite male collabs

>>16527036
I'm the OP of the thread I literally baited 300 odd fucking replies out of a clip for a sponsored collab at this point idc since its past the bump limit and now I'm just farming (you)s while my hot pocket cools down

>>16527157
At least pick someone who isn't propped as a political figure.

>>16527048
>suffer
lol. If you think any of them came even close to suffering before Hololive, you are horribly mistaken.
They had better lives than you do, than I do, than most people on this site do.
>>16527088
>they got what they wanted
Some did. Some were forced in to it by others more senior.
Not everyone wants the unicorn audience.
This has caused multiple issues over the years where they started to hard pander to them (this and last)
Watame having to defend herself on Twitter because unicornfaggots sperged out over the Coco, Watame and Kaoru picture was pathetic.

>>16527296
What does their life before Hololive have to do with anything, you want them to lose what they have because you think it's wrong how they got it even though the people who gave them that money did so voluntarily. I don't get why you think everyone is going to support your commie shit. Nobody has to do anything, they can tell their fanbases to fuck off if they want to, plenty of them already do, time for you to accept the ones who don't do it don't have the same beliefs as you.

>>16527157

>>16527563
>I don't get why you think everyone is going to support your commie shit
???
Now you are just being retarded. Stay on your shit board with the rest of your potato-brained kind.

>>16527749
Read more faggot, you might realize your stupid opinions are not original.

>>16518234
Mori is proud