/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>16460409
Watame literally destroys Suityan when it comes to singing.

>>16460409
Ayunda Risu literally just killed Sueisei with ALiCE&u

>Are there any vtubers who can sing better than her? Anyone? Are there??!??!
yes, there are
>Provide the vtuber's magnum opus here and I and the rest of /vt will judge it.
no

t. hoshiyomi
obviously this is a shitpost/joke thread but if anyone replies seriously and doesn't call op a faggot I'm gonna stop being so polite

>>16460409
ENTER

>>16460409
>Take your time. I'll wait.
Wait till you turn to stone. You're too lazy to expand your horizon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPm9T622OX0

>>16460409
https://youtu.be/obFvklGiWb0
she's a fucking religion

>>16460409
Hikakin is technically a VTuber now, so...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fiDau5i0Zg

Fair bunch of vsingers are better than her.
very few vtubers better than her at shilling her music though, which is honestly a credit to the comet.

Nina (the real one) mogs her.
Within Hololive, Risu, but she never does karaoke so it doesn't matter.

>>16460409
People of /vt,

We all talk about Gura killers day and night, but what about OP killers?

Are there any faggots who can be a faggot better than OP? Anyone? Are there??!??!

You bet your ass you can't!!

Provide the faggot's magnum opus here and I and the rest of /vt will judge it.

Take your time. I'll wait.

Mori likes to believe she is.

Only one holo even has a shot

No one on earth can sing that's why all music sucks

There are quite a few who sing better than Suisei, but I can’t name one who also has the same «charisma» as her.

>>16461779
>cute as fuck (dont mind the model)
>voice is sex
>makes original songs
yeah she's basically EN Suisei, unfortunately her original songs are kinda cringe
she has lots of potential to grow

>>16461923
This. Suityan is a giga stacy and just oozes confidence even when she's acting like a complete dork.

>>16460409
>Suisei killer
That's Mori.
She MOGGED her on her own channel.
Getcha soon to become her most popular video.

>>16462697
Going by that logic, the real Suisei Killer is Marine.

>>16461944
Too bad her model is a hit or mess. Very overly done design

>>16461708
you

>>16460494
delusional watamates spouting this nonesense is laughable. I think she's a good, hard-working singer, but in every measurable metric, blue comet obliterates the sheep.

>>16461779
i like irys. i like her cover of palette and ghost, but it's like a karaoke version of the songs, lacking any of the soul from the originals. her originals are okay, but she ain't killing anyone in the singing department. she's pretty high up on the sex department though

>>16460409
Machita Chima. https://youtu.be/k9Eewd8TEWE

>>16460494
Look, Watame is my oshi, but Suzy is my singing Oshi
Watame puts a huge amount of effort and energy into her performances but Suzy just has better pipes

Kill yourself, falseflagger nigger

Tongsheng Keke is the Suisei killer

Suisei as a package is unbeatable

>>16460409
In Western Vtubing... it's hard to pick aside of Nina Saotome. We are talking live singing here right?

https://youtu.be/njCg_h6N3wM

Western scene doesn't have many really good live singers.

>>16464072
>Suisei as a package is unbeatable
Unless she gets beaten by a cat in Mario kart

>>16464291
Literally...who?

Imagine crying on Mario Kart because you got beaten by a lazy cat.
Yikes whore of hololive

>>16460409
Enna’s King cover is going to mog her! Just wait a couple hours!
https://youtu.be/phjWw9mdQyg

Mumei is already better than most VSingers, and with vocal training her unique voice would be industry tier. Suisei may be good and she easily mogs the idol holos like Sora and AZKI, but Moomers has a higher ceiling overall.

>>16460409
>sing better
more like she just sings loudly. no svl.

>>16460409
Didn't gura already kill Suisei? Suisei has never directly interacted with Gura due to her extreme jealousy of her singing skills and higher sub count.

I think we all know who's the best Holosinger

>>16464771
>and with vocal training
How many times have we heard this reasoning being used and fail everytime because Suisei's dedication and autism beats talent every time?

>>16466674
Thats the opposite
https://youtu.be/o0ttuY_Xn-g

>>16460409
Ryushen
Here's the Venom cover. You can find more from the description:
https://youtu.be/1Lt1jWw5ksQ
https://youtu.be/1Lt1jWw5ksQ

>>16461944
Technically, no.
Red can't match Blue's range.
Red's timbre is also pretty vanilla.
^Neither is changing much.

>>16461779
>Alll her original songs suck
>covers have 0 personality
>Fell off hard when people realized shes boring

>>16463063
Here it is again, I find irys originals a meh but for covers a plus. Muh soul, it's a word you give out on a singer when you don't know the technical connotations. A critique wanna be that probably doesn't know what's difference of a note and key, and can't distinguish whether it's a high pitch or a high note.

>>16460978
Good idea after turning into a lardo.

well that's easy, OP.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8aUF9ipzQb2jTHlFoFZ1Vg

>>16464771
not the best in EN, not even the best in Council

>>16479958
Suisei is a very powerful singer that has found her niche in her music. But the biggest weakest is the versality in her genres she is able to sing. That includes being musically bilingual consistantly. IRyS, Gura, Calli, Mumei, Moona, Kiara and other Bilingual Holos have that commerical crossover appeal for that. Its not like Suisei can't do it she'll just have to work harder for it. Suisei has admitted to this but she will be successful regardless.

>>16495954
>thread about vtubers who sing well
>bring up Kiara

I dislike hearing Suisei sing. She usually sounds soulless.

>>16472310
dedication + autism < dedication + autism + raw talent
When Mumei removes her debuffs she'll put the other holos to shame.

Suisei is my favorite is holo. However you can easily find an arbitrary vtuber who sings better than her.

https://youtu.be/zPfLB7WWhao
https://youtu.be/_PlDaW23bvQ
https://youtu.be/A3gdhuzvItQ

no one, she unironically has the best vtuber design

>>16460409
Even in holo Irys is a better live singer, but her original songs dont have much appeal.
Not saying shes bad, not at all

>>16495554
Suisei in danger of being eclipsed by a whole branch.
Suisei on suiseide watch...

>>16460409
there are lots of famous utaites who have vtuber avatars now.

in the english speaking world, there are people like amalee who built 2mil subscribers channel with their singing abilities alone and are now vtubers. (though subscriber count is probably not a good measure of of singing ability. gura did it with just uwu raps)

>>16463548
have to admit this is better than suisei's cover but it could just be because of the editing/mixing.

t. hoshiyomi

>>16464291
leeching off hololive songs...

she's not bad though

>>16495954
>if I can only sing in Japanese it means I can only sing one genre

>>16508362
Since you do admit to being a Hoshiyomi, you should know Chima is one of Niji's best singers.
>>16504642
>When Mumei removes her debuffs
Hey this is what chumbuds said too last year. But good luck having someone from the laziest gen to compete with one of the most hardworking Holo.

>>16509546
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjEiRm8apMI
Anon, your oshi isn't the best singer, it's time to move on

>>16509860
Oh shoot, just right in time to her singing My Favorite Things and that was so great.

>>16509546
>someone from the laziest gen to compete with one of the most hardworking Holo.
Commercially in music, maybe. But skill-wise, the owl's singing actually can fare pretty well with other holo singers when she's not just messing around with autotune. Even her current karaoke is really nice already.

>>16460515
the copium from ID fans is insane. I couldn't even finish that song she was all over the place and shouldn't be trying to sing in English she can barely pronounce.

The only competition for suisei is from anemachi

>>16461944
>Her original songs are kinda cringe
Not for her new EP. Journey was fucking fantastic.

>>16512998
Risu's original was fantastic and she finally released a song where she flexed just how powerful her vocals are which is something we have been waiting for forever as Risu fans.

Who cares if the lyrics were ESL. She wrote them herself and it was a love letter to her fans. I cried while listening to it.

>>16460409
Sorry Suisei, you got mogged today

>>16478433
I agree with your first two points but the 3rd. Way to out yourself as a threadwatcher.
She's one of the most well-loved en streamers, even in this shithole of a site, when you go past the avatar barrier.

>>16478433
>All her original songs suck
Journey has been getting rave reviews. Give it a listen fag, its fantastic.

>>16466674
One thing I notice about gura's singing, is she's stuck on a minor, song with less bpm. Meaning there are only a few genres to sing with her voice range. And no, rapping don't count.

>>16460409
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH0SdgEfoIc

>>16513626
>Melissa
Top kek!!

The queen of post processing and auto tune. She sounds like fucking shit when she sings live. It makes me wonder if she knows how to sing at all. Not even close to Suisei's level.

>>16460409
Gura
If Gura has half her songs output, she'd be mogged easily

>>16513850
gura doesnt care that much about producing songs, even reflect (regardless of what you think of it) was a way for her to achieve her dream of getting into a rhythm game

Can you leave this fucking thread alone? Don't give OP the pleasure, he's a falseflagger

From who i watch, I think Inui Toko and Hachi in terms of skill can compare

Suisei is the only liver who could go pro if she wasn't a chuuba, so I don't think there really is a Suisei killer

>>16516276
U can't be serious right? Toko is still an amateur when it comes to vocal training. She relies heavily on her natural voice which is very pleasant to listen to. If u actually listen to her notes and how short she holds them compared to long time singers singing the same song u can easily tell the difference.

I just found her and I need to shill. Will never be an anything killer though because of bad SEO name, Takamori:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu1D6uzhgwk

> Music industry tier
Suisei, Gura

> High tier
Moona, IRyS, Mumei (limiters off), Risu

> Above average tier
Sora, AZKi, Baelz, Towa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH7Xi__8k7E

Can’t believe nobody mentioned Noel yet

>>16517183
After listening to Journey I would swap IRyS and Gura. IRyS goes out of her comfort zone a bit on the EP and it sounds fantastic.

>>16516986
>her

>>16516597
Afaik inui toko was part of the few people who was pro before their vtuber debut. Notable people such as Hayato Kagami and Lulu. Inui Toko was part of a band before debut.

>>16517474
Noel is shit-tier hands down

Hanatan

>>16518646
ex. https://youtu.be/0c62htyEVtE?t=2178

>>16518646
>>16518741
You tried shilling her in the numbers thread yesterday. Nobody cared then and nobody cares now.

Best vtuber singer
https://youtu.be/S52drYzHC64

>>16519121
Best reply in this thread

>>16519075
Don't know who that is, but imagine being such an EOP faggot you don't know Hanatan. Must be sad.

>>16460409
She's not even Hololive's best singer, any karaoke stream by Moona is proof enough

>>16520025
Majority of moona karaoke is pre-recorded though. Mixed pre-recorded and live. Especially if it is something she already cover.

>>16520299
All the karaoke she has done is live, and will be rebroadcasted later. Then she got the idea to sing along with that live. She just did that twice.

>>16520025
Fucking retard, replying to bait

>>16520299
>pre-recorded

>>16460409
Gura

>>16460409
My opinion
Okayu kills Suityan
Marine (deep voice) kills Suityan
Gura kills Suityan
I've listned to jpop song for years. Suityan's songs are pretty much jpop and anisongs type and i've listened those songs for years and now i want something new that i don't hear that often, she's really fucking good but it's not "new" when i listen to her it's just like another Ado.
I feel that "new" when i hear okayu or marine or even Gura

>>16464406
Best vtuber singer ever...Literally.

gura

>>16523880
>>16521101
Nah mate, moona pre-records her songs. The first one that I tuned in, was with villain. Tried to compare the karaoke and cover with a software and it was completely identicall. How talented would she be? Not only that, but most pre-recorded songs are obvious. They have a bass different to the live ones. You would know all of this using a software and I believe there are hundreds out there. She sings good but I won't entirely believe what she puts out.

>>16460409
>We all talk about Gura killers day and night, but what about Suisei killers?
There are countless of those.
If we take only Nijisanji (with all branches) as an example, then at least top 50 niji singers are better at singing than Suisei.

>>16529621
>The first one that I tuned in, was with villain
Retardchama, she can't sing Villain during karaokes because of permissions. I gotta say though, this narrative you're trying to spread is a new one.

>>16529752
>50
Anon...

>>16530250
You seriously didn't include u archive when she was singing 20+ songs I remember toxic by Britney was one of those num26 iirc.

>>16530400
I know that in reality it's even more than 50, but I didn't want to give suifags an inferiority complex.

>>16530502
Even unarchived yes, she has mentioned multiple times that permissions for Karaokes are not the same for Cover songs. Just the notion that she pre-records her karaokes is idiotic, please take your meds and check your ears.

>>16530959
You're the one who needs to take your reps anon. Watch the unarchives of moona. Permission we're only sticken recently but a few months back she sang that shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD14CW-j2sA&list=PLj4C7HKruhxprFAQsg9uatKT_W3fAxtFQ&index=15

She is just a meme compared to this chuuba

When will retards stop taking this post seriously?

>>16529621
are you from alternate timeline, anon?

>>16520299
>>16521101
>>16529621
>>16530250
>Pre-recorded
>Good singer
these two terms cant co-exist retardchamas

>>16460409
Watamate here. My sheep is unpredictable because has yet to find her own sound like the comet did. At most she can match her.

The best singer I heard in holo is Moona. She's been doing this before holo too and her unarchived stuff is insane. But she has nearly no chances in the industry.

That leaves me with the sea predators. Orca and Shark have yet to try hard, and yet to polish their talent.

>>16531596
Got any examples of her best performances? Because the one in your link is pretty weak.

>>16460409
my dick is the suisei killer

>>16460409
dick

>>16519075
How the hell have u been on the internet for the past 10 years and not know who Hanatan is? She is one of a very few singers in Japan I'd feel comfortable calling special. There r some things she can do vocally that a vast majority of singers can't do.

>>16526442
Ado is very different from typical jpop though.
I feel like you got everything flipped.

>>16526442
New fag detected

>>16460409
Ninaninanina

>>16518646
This unironically.
Even before she debuted Suisei wasn't the best v-singer, but now the question of best v-singer is just settled. This coming from a hoshiyomi.

>>16554196
Understandable, I listened to hanatan since 10 years ago. Kind of a far fetch to say Suisei is better than her when Suisei only started actively singing 3-4 years ago. Though I prefer Suisei's vocal flair and timbre now

>>16460409
Pekora

Sui is the best v-singer

It depends on how technical the song is.

Sui has a ton of vocal power and she can belt out notes with the best of em, but when it comes to finer control she lacks. Compare Sui's Phony with Chima's and you can see what I mean.

Sui tan's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N029UUlH1Dc

Chima's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9Eewd8TEWE

Sui needs to get off her ass and get some vocal training already, she could be amazing when she decides to stop being stubborn about that.

>>16535667
https://youtu.be/Wpu1LHyxS6w

I know this is a bait thread but whatever.

Virtually everyone can be 'good' in production level music that's why even Ame can sound good. So ill try to set my list differently. Im an eop holofag so the list will mostly be holoen.

Karaoke / Production S>A>B>C

Moona: Live Aid(Speechless/ Sweet Child o' Mine) / S(Ai no Chiisana uta)

Suisei: S / S+(Ghost/King)
Enna: S / S(Wish of this Songbird)
Risu: A- / S (Alice&U)
Gura: A+ / A- (Reflect)
Mori: B- / S+ (RIP/RED)
IRyS: B+ / A+ (Here Comes Hope)
Mimei: A / B+ (A New Start)

P.S I dont base my production criteria on the visuals because thats just money

P.S.S I based it on the best song they sung on karaoke or best OG song for production. So not by average

>>16460409
Suityan is the best

>>16463063
>>16463584
Watame has better technique and she's better at holding high notes. Her problem is that her songs are not bops, she is really bad at promoting herself and she doesn't cater to the female audience as much as Suisei
IRyS is better than both and outside hololive, the old utaites like Hanatan (now a vtuber), vsingers or vtubers like Leona completely mog them

>>16460409
Gura

>>16460409

>>16517183
Watame just literally was on television with her new music video, so she should be there in the industry tier.

Watame's also the only chuuba that can compete with Suisei. However, Suisei is a gigastacy, hardworking and hates losing. Watame's my oshi, but I son't think she can keep up.

>>16460409
>>16460494

Suityan definitely isn't the *best* at singing, but she's one of the best (and most well-known). Many vsingers (those who focus on releasing covers e.g. RIOT MUSIC, VESPERBELL) mog her sometimes. But then again, there are many aspects to a good singer.

1. SOVL. Elicits emotions from the listener.
2. Technique (stability, breath, range, etc.)
3. Vocal color
4. Genre of songs and whether they match the singer's voice

Reading this thread, I'll rate a few vtubers. I may be completely wrong though, I just like listening to vtuber music. If there's little to no comments, I just don't know enough.

Suisei: The star(comet?) of this thread
A+ (she is able to convey emotions but sometimes sounds like she is focusing on her technique)
A+ (good technique, huge range)
B+ (her voice is rough and loud, which is excellent for some songs and not suited for others. it's not the "cleanest" sounding, may come off as forceful)
S (her original songs all suit her voice. she sings many genres of songs in her karaoke, excluding some cute ones her voice suit regular jpop)

Watame: The contender
A (her voice is flexible but doesn't feel like it reaches the extremes)
A+ (very smooth and stable, huge range)
B+ (weak voice. soft and fluffy. very clean and pleasant to listen to, but lacks power)
B (some of her songs seem too big for her. her belting has little power)

Risu: When she sings
?
B (her karaoke streams are mediocre. her original song is worse, unless it's using some special music technique.)
B (esl aside, her voice sounds very stereotypical. pick up any SEA girl and they'll sound like her)
?

Noel / Ame:
S
C-
B
?

Marine: I unironically like unison
A+ (sings a lot of anisong / energetic songs, with high energy)
B+ (uses bad technique, but is stable with it and can control her range. does sing off key at times. and bad technique ruins her throat)
B+ (many people think she has an ugly voice, but it's not bad. it's clear and sharp)
S (her original songs are all good, denpa songs suit her)

Gura: gooruh
A+ (soulful and meme, she's good at both)
B+ (good vibrato, bad range)
S (pretty voice. those slowed versions of her singing really exemplifies this.)
A (her voice acted lines in reflect were meh. her karaoke song choices are quite good)

Mumei: mumers
?
?
A+ (unique singing voice, but the stylistic choice can be copied by anyone. still nice to listen to though)
?

IRyS / AZKi: The actual Vsingers in hololive
A
S (stable, flexible, amazing control of their voices. likely why they were selected as vsingers)
B+ (clean and pleasant sounding, but boring. suitable for jpop and soft, sweet songs. lack power)
A

Chima: Nijisanji singing goddess
?
S
A+ (powerful, warm, clean.)
?

Toko: Suityan's singing collab partner
?
A-
S (her voice is warm and pretty. it has depth)
A (she chooses songs that are good for her voice)

Enna: NijiEN's singer, i feel like she has similar stats to suityan. she's being hyped up a lot because she's an amazing singer and the best in nijiEN
A+
A+
B+
?

Millie: NijiEN's singer #2, when i first heard God Sees All i thought her and enna were the same. i listen to her covers but they're nothing special.
?
B+
B+ (same as risu, she sounds really common)
?

t. some retard who wasted their time typing this shit

>>16577140
Your ratings on Risu couldn't be more wrong. She is the best singer in either of the two major agencies.

>>16577140
>Chima powerful
Every time I see some anon call Chima powerful I instantly know they don't know what they're talking about. She has one of the most softest voices and almost never has any power in her notes when needed. Here's an example of CITRUS which is a song that requires power notes. Compare her self-duet with the original creators and u will know what a power note sounds like and Chima doesn't even get close. U could even call her attempt as just plain wrong and it would be a valid argument.

https://youtu.be/Eqb8ZjUxhmU?t=29
https://youtu.be/b8jNVv8uv1U?t=2514

>>16577140
have to agree with Irys/Azki
they're good singers but damn their songs are really generic (aside from 1 or 2 that's really good)

I feel that Cover is being too safe with those 2 instead of stepping out of the comfort zone.

Shame

>>16578001
Facts

Nijikeks tend to overrate their singers to an almost crazy level. Singers like Chima and Melissa are good but they aren't anything that special. Melissa sounds terrible live for example.

>>16531256
No, she has never sung Villain in her karaokes. I have been to every single one of them.

>>16460409
Personally, i've enjoyed palette much more than any of the Suisei songs, but i've been always a sucker for a good ballad songs. And i don't care if she's not perfect, something about kanata makes me tick the right way.

>>16460409
https://youtu.be/bVu7Ui6XmW4

You also have to consider their connections/capability to deliver their vision. For example, Enna might be a better singer, but her King cover is much worse than Suityan's.

Until Suisei can show me a vocal performance that even moderately resembles this, https://youtu.be/w6eWno3iAjk, I am going to continue concluding that the Hoshibrony simps who put her profoundly middling voice on some elite pedestal are some of the most deluded vtuber fans on the planet.

>>16580369
Nobody cares about your 2view fag

Holy fuck stupid retards, stop replying to OP. He's a nigger and a falseflagger

>>16580519
don't care i'm here to shill my 2view ruchuuba
https://youtu.be/C7tu--gyXYs
https://youtu.be/UHifRwAet6E
https://youtu.be/nMk91FBu200
https://youtu.be/fpX2ZLMmiJ8
https://youtu.be/PVTBuNwpr88

>>16580369
https://youtu.be/K5I_GaGeHH0

>>16460736
too many people know her from the comfy ukulele arc, far too few people are aware of the powerhouse in music that is ookami mio

>>16580431
>only cares about the numbers and not the talent itself

>>16460409
Irys
Aki
Watame
Flare
Okayu

>>16517183
>Moona
Can't even speak English words properly LOL
Her I Will Survive cover excels only at generating second hand embarrassment

>>16580519
Any publicity is good publicity, I will larp as a Suisei anti with Suisei's songs linked for free views if thats what it takes. As a compensation I will sesh my post

>>16580369
>uwaa girl whisper singing so talent uuooh
this is the same shit with people who think Gura is some sort of singing genius
literally training wheels

>>16529621
know-it-all retard saying mooners karaoke are pre recorded KEK BHAHAHAHAHA

>>16577260
>best singer
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekYTWAQo4Mk
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGviVpVE1fA
She isn't bad, but literally average. Even without vocal training, any girl who sings japanese songs can sing around the same level. I've heard her kakumei dualism cover with reine (and really liked it, listened to it for a few days too) and apart from the stunning production value, everything is average. You could provide better examples to showcase her singing.

>>16578001
My bad, powerful was the wrong term. Her voice is very "big" and resonates well. It's like a concert hall(, while a powerful voice is more like a concert with loudspeakers).

>>16580369
>vocal performance
>links highly-produced video
Also, this is mostly just kaf's vocal color that makes it good. It's typical singing.

>>16581301
I only can think of this example off the top of my head. Her voice and flexible and she can reach high notes but she lacks any power.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mml9qzquHoo

Singing pro LARPers out in full force again huh

>Hololive
>Good singing
Pick one.
It's funny how retarded holobronies, who are stuck in a bubble and don't know anything about other chubas, even dare to imagine that holos are any good at singing. In reality, their best singers are just average, compared to other agencies/indies.

>>16586423
Don’t forget to link your 2view, anon.

>>16505197
Pfft not even close, even some 2 viewers have a better design than her

>>16586478
I am sorry, bro, but it would take hours to list dozens of hundreds of chubas who are much better than Holo's greatest singers. Not worth it.

>Anons are unironically arguing over something that cannot be objectively measured and is purely subjective

>>16586643
vocal technique is objective, but i doubt anyone here have enough of a background to be a judge.
Singer chuubas being mainly literal big stage rejects and thus automatically failing at being good perfomers is whole another discussion, and yall not ready for this yet.

>>16580369
>profoundly middling voice
you just described KAF anon

>>16577140
not gonna read all that but good job on your work

>>16577140
S TIER SOVL AME LETSGOOOOOOOOO

>>16577140
>gura
>bad range

lmaoooo you have no idea how many so called "excellent singers" (by /vt/) that have to switch to using falsetto singing around B5 notes and somehow still sound like a kettle, while gura effortlessly hits these notes on live karaoke with her 1 take rule

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>>16460409
faggot

>>16576237
i kneel