/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking
>https://youtubeliveen.soraweb.net/ex/バーチャルYouTuber

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/jwfivCFB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nxXWc8g4hA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nxXWc8g4hA
Top 50 Hololive Covers for the week*
(Songs that were less than a week in the previous week get rolled over, such that new songs will ALWAYS get at least 7 days, up to 14. Keep this in mind when looking at any new songs in the ranking)

Stop deflecting to muh cull

>>16510286
GET IN HERE YOU FAGS

>>16510286
>>16510294
The fiftieth song this week started at 66k views, this week is going to be yet another bloody one

>>16510301
Eat shit

>Subaru ended
>Still couldn't break 20k
LMAO absolutely states of pekoshit

>>16509891
Not that anon, just giving my thoughts, she’s still obviously the top dog in HoloJP and I don’t think there’s any disputing that but recent events over in JP side really does make it feel like she’s gradually declining. I often felt like no one wanted to touch Pekora because of her place in the streaming world, and she capitalized on that to the highest degree. She’d constantly make streams before and after events for funneling, would have her own time slot for weekends and would not face much competition overall.

I don’t think HoloX are really all that great but they’ve put so much pressure on JP to stream and that’s led to these giant piles of streams at specific hours that makes it hard for anyone to make a decisive winner of the night. That on top of FBK’s shiny hunts and other shit, it feels like a lot of the hype has come down for viewers of Pekora. Obviously still huge, but you see a lot more low end streams and her obvious subscriber decline that quite frankly has dropped off a cliff for someone her status

>>16510286
>>16510294
ccv 1K

>Saga Jihen #32
Jesas

The only time this thread wasn't infested with schizos was during the ccvid arc. Wish we could return to that time of pure unity.

>>16510392
Overlapfags...not like this...

>>16510468
Climbing up every week, won't be long before he's sporting 4-5k like the previous dude

Kanata is gone from top original songs...

100k+ starting at 29

>>16510421
The post you replied to is just one of the first stages of grief.

Sooner or later they will start coping with other excuses. It's NijiEN's first cope.

You know it never occurred to me before, but the three girls of gen 4 who are the most popular musically all have three letter nicknames that they go by. I wonder if that has any relevance

>>16510421
Well, Pekora said it for herself, she wanted to take it easier this year.
Makes sense, if you go HARD constantly, you're going to wear yourself out much faster, and she doesn't NEED to go so hard constantly, that's the entire point of being part of something like Hololive where you can be backed up by others. A bit of competition, but also a support network.
Honestly, given how some Holomem have worked themselves to the point of forced breaks and how poorly the mental state of some streamers ends up, better that she makes sure she doesn't burn out than to constantly try and chase the numbers.

>>16510392
Miko definitely caught more of the funnel as she increased by about 3k. Pekora only increased by about 1500.

>Still couldn't break 17k
>Still couldn't break 18k
>Still couldn't break 19k
>Still couldn't break 20k
the state of pekoschizo

>>16510621
Nah mate, you have to work yourself to the bones just like all these HR experts here in 4chan said. You have to show the drive or else you will called lazy by these work ethics experts here on 4chan. Because 4chan users cannot be sued for abusing workers because they don't know how the real world works.

Mumei 16K

Getcha has amazing staying power jesus

2k get

>>16510468
2K now

its easily EN Ochame right since it wasnt in last week im pretty sure.

>>16511084
Suisei in general is doing great with her music.

725k for La+ jesus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nxXWc8g4hA

10. Okayu - Animal (215,598)
9. Koyori - Nh-uh-uh (216,524)
8. Suisei and Mori - GETCHA (224,281)
7. Towa and Suisei - Haiiro to Ao (279,184)
6. Kiara and Ina - Iya Iya Iya (281,756)
5. Hololive JP - Ochame Kinou (307,090)
4. Suisei - phony (378,887)
3. Mori and Gura - KING (435,277)
2. Laplus - Kamippoi (725,983)
1. Hololive EN - Ochame Kinou (2,663,103)

Laplus I kneel

2.6 million holy shit

>>16511295
EN, I kneel!

>Lamy 15k
Nice. Ark still buffing.

>>16511310
2 weeks, 2.6 mil.
I laugh at the anon who said "Who the hell asked for this?" when they announced it at the end of the New years eve Karaoke relay.

>>16511295
>haiiro to ao
im glad it's still somewhat going strong, it's fucking incredible

>>165112955
>5. Hololive JP - Ochame Kinou (307,090)


who the heck still watches this boomer video

Where were you when Pekora reclined?

>>16511295
I thought numberfagging VOD views was frowned upon in this thread?

>>16511549
Stream VODs no
Shorts, covers, and songs is a big yes.

>>16511531
Gets recommended after watching the EN version. I still click when I see it

>>16511295
People checking out the HoloJP Ochame Kinou after listening to the EN one bumped the JP one back into the top 5 after weeks of not being in the top 10. Keep pushing that box Hololive!!

Also the Mori/Gura KING came back with a vengeance.

>>16511432
In caSe you couldn't tell that's what we call an obvious troll

>>16511295
Can we numberfag streams like this too?

>>16511549
How do you numberfag music mv?

>>16511295
It's a shame HoloX is such a failure when their cover game is so good. Like all their covers have been great. Makes me wonder what Iroha's was like.

>>16511549
Just because last samurai raise a fuss when vods are brought up doesn't make it "frowned upon"

Oh i almost forgot the pokemon NND tourney starts today. I hope one of you fags pay attention to it.

>>16511567
We should numberfag premieres instead. Makes no sense to use VODs for streamers

>>16511642
Isn't that next week?

>>16511549
you can perfectly numberfag vods, you just have to do it in a way that's not retarded, which means accounting for a bunch of caveats
which is why it's not as fun

>>16511608
They have live views too right when they're dropped right?

>numberfagging vods
Ogey here it is
Come back next week

>>16511651
>>16511617
JUST BECAUSE RETARDS ARE IN THESE THREADS DOESN'T MEAN YOU NEED TO PRETEND TO BE RETARDED TO FIT IN AAAAARGH

Can these vtubers stop putting out songs and stick to streaming? These music views are meaningless anyway. Twitch vtubers don't have to put out music and they are inclining like wildfire.

>>16511725
Retard

>>16511725
more like next month lmao

>>16511756
I hate niggers like you so fucking much

>>16511732
What? I am objectively correct, all of HoloX's covers have done really well.

>>16511591
Not counting JP Ochame Kinou the Gura/Mori KING isn't that far off from being the most viewed Hololive cover of all time and its gaming ground on the 3 songs ahead of it at a rapid rate.

>>16511732

Calli's CCV should be 30k+ you dumb Susan

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>>16511807
Case in point...
>>16511878

>pretending
you wish

>>16511905
im not pretending anon

>>16511756
Trolling aside, it’s funny you say that because there might be legitimate grounds to believe that -some- of the incline of EN’s Ochame Kinou and Gura’s King cover came from LSF. The Nene sneeze thread stayed at the top for like an entire day and one of the top comments led directly to Ochame Kinou, and a lot of Gura recommendations to people wondering about vtubers

Holo stay winning baby

>>16511651
Judge by the type of content it is. Live streams go by CCV, uploaded videos judge by views. They're two entirely different formats, watching a live stream is completely different to watching an uploaded video.

>>16511591
How is KING still so strong? Everyone has their own version of it, and it was late to the meta

>>16512009
Utterly rotten tactics, dragging people into recommendation hell.

If people truly wanted to numberfag VODs they'd set up a site and do what they wanted to do all along: to actually track VODs with proper tracking sites.
But nope it's a narrative fight about which narrative fits your oshi more so you're just sitting there hoping for someone to do the hard work for you so you could shitpost with them.
>>16512018
Stop unironically replying to terrible bait. The biggest problem in that context is that not all music videos are premiered

>>16512018
It's the same thing, these music uploads were live for a moment, thus they have CCV. Makes no sense to use a useless metric such as VOD views. Anyone saying otherwise is coping.

>>16511756
>My oshi didn't do great at music
>It's meaningless anyway
The Cope...

>>16512058
It’s one of the most unique

>>16511756
who's your oshi and which cover of hers got stuck at 200k views for a year

>>16512168

>>16512107
>Stop unironically replying to terrible bait
It's not really bait per se, it's just the salty chumbud who continually whines that we're not numberfagging the metric that Gura does well on (but still doesn't win). He thinks he's making a point so it's better to just point out how he's being retarded and move on so no tourists get caught thinking his usual VOD cope has any merit.

>>16512058
Calli and Gura aside, their King cover is objectively the best of them all. I -enjoy- Risu’s cover the most but at the end of the day, JP covers are literally always copy pastes of the OG song. There’s no difference apart from who sings it. At least Calligula transformed it into something different

>>16512168
Even worse, it's a bad cope because the KR chubba group that's draped themselves in Hololive has done cover songs and even released an Original song that's doing amazingly well. And they're inclining like crazy.

>>16512222
I bet his oshi is Pekora

>>16512222
Aki Rose
https://youtu.be/3y5-Fl2ExIA

>>16510621
Abandoning big number for a longer career might be a good move for her. After all Pekora only have streaming going on for her, god know what would happen if she can't stream anymore

>>16512233
>Towa FACTS 792k
>Kanata 天使のagape 496k
>Watame My Song 705k
Whoops.
also we don't do that here.

>>16512314
>197,039 views Premiered Dec 4, 2020
jesas man

>>16512303
Lol Pekora is not even a music Holo, why would any of her fan salty about it?

KNEEL

>>16512422
also, most of peko's covers still have pretty healthy views

>>16512242
>Every schizo is a salty chumbud
I thought every schizo is a salty nijikek. Didn't we have that chart?

>>16512422
Default deflection please understand.
Her last cover Cinderella is almost at 2 million, so yes someone didn't do his basic number reps

>>16512461
She doesn't release that many music content. But the fucking Discommunication Alien cover though, what the fuck was up with that

Where the hell are all the Nijis in the video? This thread is so incredibly biased against them.

>>16512314
that's not her worst... this one been stuck under 100k for years. only recently broke through
https://youtu.be/IN0KT2ABM10

>>16512242
I'm confused. Doesn't Gura win on every metric? Or at least does extremely well.

>>16512244
>different = good
Fuck off, deadcuck. Adding gargles in between ironic weeb singing is not "transforming". It's butchering. 「KING』 is a song.

Did Mumei really drop a random karaoke stream in the middle of the night with no warning and pull 17k?
Jeez, Council schizo is probably seething right now. Very impressive mooms.

>>16512222
Suisei https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm4KMKurd8E

While no one noticed can someone explain how is Towa getting 9k for Apex on a Sunday afternoon

>>16512009
The Nene sneeze was such good timing because it was right when a lot of people were tired of DMCA drama, so they were looking for any kind of content that wasn't about that.

Why does this fortunate timing only happen to Hololive? You'd think the Vshojo girls would have their chance in the spotlight there lol.

Isegye needs to slowly shed Hololive influence already because they are inclining like crazy. They need to go a little more global and fight Hololive in their own turf by using Kpop aesthetics.

>>16512622
her real/non-culled number is in the 30k btw

>>16512654
Cr cup is near?

>>16512654
Scrims, Stealing Bora's residual viewers.
This map is one of the favorites to watch, the last one was utter HELL to watch thanks to the triple sniper meta dominating it due to large open stretches with minimal cover making it a snore to watch.

>>16512682
Counter strategy

Partner with Hololive to destroy Nijisanji for good. Isegye is getting huge and HoloEN has also been getting tons of traction in Korea.

Kronii/Kiara/Bae collab with Isegye.

>>16512665
Vshojo doesn't need that shitty LSF to incline.

>>16512795
Then why have they been whoring themselves out to them?

>>16511689
Why? Everybody numberfags CCV in an even more retarded way already, why care?

>>16512790
>destroy
they barely exist to begin with, and their main stars are now male

>>16512222
Miko and Korone
https://youtu.be/MkSkQBIhGus

Are numbers the only thing you fags care about?

Why don't you watch livers for their soul instead? There are so many better livers out there that will mog every single one of you Holowhores.

>>16512718
This is about normal for her, at least. 30k showing up is if there’s absolutely no other Holos streaming.

>>16512778
>>16512786
Incline? Note that the last time she got 9k for CR is during the finals where she actually won

>>16512859
Really ?! To THIS obvious bait ? REALLY

>>16512896
>their main stars are now male
That means they have no more dead weight to keep them down.

>>16512907
which part of “numbers thread” that you don’t understand

>>16512859
Uh when and where? Stop schizo-ing anon. Their numbers keep on steadily inclining and they collab directly with big streamers nowadays. They don't need any shitty posts that only few people see.

>>16512907
Soul is subjective, numbers however, isn't

>>16512404
>>16471253
Towa +12k
Kanata +2k
Watame +11k
Towa and Watame going strong, what happened to Kanata?

LETS GO MOOMS!!!!!!

MOOMER MOOMER!!!!

>>16512907
If I want to discuss stream I won't do it here anonchama

>>16513015
short version?

>>16512907
Do you also go into barbecue enthusiast forums and berate them for not adopting the vegan lifestyle?

>>16513015
Depression arc again

>>16513015
Algo-stuck.
Hasn't streamed since that 12 hour stream, and sometimes the Algo goes 'lol toobad'.

any website to easily compare sub growth rates?

>>16513015
It's the short version, the views are split between the topic channel and various streaming platforms
https://youtu.be/wToRgQzYAA0

>>16513029
Man would be embarrassing if Pekora got mogged by someone other than Gura
The schizo going to go ham

>>16512907
>>16512907
>There are so many better livers out there that will mog every single one of you Holowhores.
I know you're shitpostsing, but at least try to be aware that this thread has the broadest collection of fanbases browsing it. We even have 2view posters.

>>16513158
Socialblade

>>16513223
Why do they do this

>>16513267
>the Gura killer ends up being the Peko killer instead

Mumei deserves to have 1M subs if she can pull that number on an early Sunday morning in NA.

>>16513158
https://holo.poi.cat/
http://socialblade.com

>>16513385
Short version is cheaper to animate anon.
Also, the topic version is generated off of YT Music for the full version, so it is what it is.

>>16513267
But according to the VOD views of her previous streams on top of the like rates to CCV combined with the previous poll results and including all of the culls that racist Susan implemented Mumei should have 394k watching after adjusting for the 2320% cull.

>>16513385
I think she just ran out of money for the MV

>>16513223
That's only 72k
Towa has 57k views in the topics channel
https://youtu.be/CupxdwBkk88
Watame has 41k views
https://youtu.be/ttJqvvHcBIM
Even if you add them up, Kanata is still 200k+ behind. It's a mediocre song and the animation is nothing to write home about, so it doesn't have rewatchability

i kneel to ramy. 15k ark.

>>16513413
>The supposed "Pekora Killer" never managed to to kill Pekora
>She have to resort to killing herself instead

>>16512907
>Are numbers the only thing you fags care about?
>watch livers for their soul instead
>Implying most of the people here are Holofags
Go fuck yourself retard

>>16513430
She needs streaming more.

>>16513506
I heard an mv just that long already cost her 6 millions yen

>>16513499
Kek, typical

>>16513499
That's... actually a fair point. Mumei has probably been mogging Pekora for a while, now.

>>16513430
Afaik singing is her best content and are well-received so this shouldn't be a surprise
In fact it only seem high because Pekora number have been really low recently so everyone else number seem higher when compare to her

>>16513551
>meanwhile Mumei is pulling 17k just singing in an unscheduled unarchived stream
Is 15k with a buff game supposed to be impressive?

>>16513430
>early sunday morning
Bitch it's 3am/midnight across NA, do your timezone reps.

Damn imagine if Kronii had Mumei-levels of motivation.

>>16513587
kek imagine spending 50k usd on MVs

>>16513587
Kek, she was hyping it up to be the best animated MV in hololive, only to lose to 2 of her gen-mates

>>16513554
Just like how the true Gura killer will be either Susan or Gura herself.

I miss the CCVID days when this thread had so much unity and the schizos were mostly silent.

Now it seems like there are new schizos added to the usual suspects.

>>16513499
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Nijisis... We got nothing to brag...... En got shit number even tho no holo streaming....

>>16513756

Can we test the Gura killer curse theory by labeling Pekora as a Gura killer?

>>16513413
>>16513554
Kiara was the Pekora killer all along

>>16513789
It's the only way to wake up those who are truly retarded.

>>16513711
>Music wise, mogged by Towa
>MV wise, mogged by Watame
Kanata is cursed

>>16513805
This thread always devolves into Holo vs Holo infighting whenever Nijisanji is weak. Come on Nijisis, do your reps and watch other Nijis so they can incline.

>>16513711
add to that the offcollab that also costed her money that ended up with her mopping on twitter, no wonder she hasn't streamed in 3 days

>>16513812
Test? We already did
Someone post that image of a dude saying Pekora is the Gura killer and then show her 17k stream right the day after

>>16513882
Can I do this then?
>GURA IS THE GURA KILLER JUST WAIT AND SEE
There she'll kill herself in 2 days or so

>>16513833
I dunno why but Pekora seem to love associating with the low number kouhais, at least more than her peers

>>16513812
>>16513882

>>16513914
That has been done tins of times already, Gura herself is immune to this.

>>16513914
She's already trying anon, she probably wants to dodge that 4M subs

>>16513837
Double mogged by Watame. Her first original was a lot better than this one was.

>>16513914
New theory. Gura's numbers reclining isn't because of the cull, it's because you fags keep saying that Gura is the only Gura killer.

>>16513914
Heh, let's wait and see

>>16513990
Gura's numbers haven't reclined though, lol

>16513953
>tumblr
This image is embarrassing and you should be embarrassed, fix the fucking spelling at least

>>16514027
This thread lied to me.

>>16513990
>Gura's numbers reclining
She's been hovering around 20k-30k for a year, she's not reclining.

>>16514039
It did

Some jackass will bring up the 15k she got the other day while ignoring the fact that those are the numbers she always gets when she streams in that time slot. Literally not a recline, lol. She has been one of the most steady Holo's for over a year and her numbers have remained pretty much exactly the same.

>>16513956
No she is not immune to it, but rather she is the only one who can kill herself, she herself is the curse

>>16513864
It was one of the worst off-collab ever, basically a twitter space with png and wasted ayame monthly streaming quota

>Gura is killing herself
Is she not? Only 3 streams for the past 7 days and one of them is her outfit reveal.

Isn't Mumei's song dropping later today? If she can pull these kind of numbers singing in the middle of the damn night for North America that song is going to get some huge numbers I feel.

>>16514089
Gawr Gura seems to be the strongest vtuber, going strictly by the numbers.

>>16513953
Yeah now we know who to blame for Pekora recline

>>16513983
Gura should honestly be happy that Hololive does jack shit for celebrating big achievements. Just look at shit like sports where games stop to celebrate a player breaking a record, with leagues and shows talk about it for days.

Hololive should absolutely have a video and message ready for the 4 million among other shit but you already know they’ll say nothing and just hand her a $25 gift card to applebees. And she’ll be happy with that.

>>16514029
Why do nousagis have such fragile egosm

>>16514119
Any chuuba can kill herself, anon. Suicide is not exclusive to Gura.

>>16514167
not in CCV

>>16514157
That has always been the Gura cycle though. The chumbuds don't care and they will be there when she gets back. Then "Q" will drop and her viewership will actually get bigger.

So how does VOD cope guy deal with Mumei

>>16514157
And the week before she had 9 streams over 7 days. Now what?

>>16513666
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>>16514212
With how much its getting hyped up "Q" better be an absolute banger. If the song is good and the music video is as good as its being hyped up to be I can see some records getting broken.

>>16514209
Well now that Pekora reclined no one can rival Gura ccv anymore, unironically

Why does Selen need to apply for affiliate on Twitch when Peko and Migo instantly got theirs? She's streaming on Twitch atm.

>>16514209
Looks like the top CCV to me.

>>16514193
Actually based?
>>16514247
Now... nothing. I have nothing against it?

>>16514209
It's fascinating how retards in here cling so hard to CCV when it has been demonstrated time and time again that it's absolutely worthless. Chuubas themselves see different numbers that you, what is even the point of numberfagging it?

What if Gura is killed for real in real life though?

>>16513158
https://vtuberranking.com/rankingmonth

>>16514193
I sometime wonder if Gura find her sheer popularity a bit too overwhelming, like she just joined Hololive and suddenly become the biggest Vtuber on Earth

>>16512222
I bet it was Aqua.
Cause lots of her viewers wish she returned to play games.

>>16514312
The fuck is Q?

>>16514212
Gura's fans seem very loyal. She's lucky to have them, a lot of streamers tank hard over the tiniest thing.

>>16514380
>Youtube has a bug that lasts for 2 weeks
>We need to drop CCV entirely because of it
CCV was accurate for 98% of 2021

>>16514165
Mumei could be like a Gura-lite when it comes to music and I can see her getting some good views.

I even see her having some advantages over Gura. One of Gura's big advantages is the unique sound of her voice that you can't really match with practice, ya just gotta have it. Well, Mumei has it!! On the other hand she certainly isn't as technically skilled as Gura, however, she is also a lot more willing to leave her comfort zone to sing something truly unique.

I think they are both fantastic.

>>16514193
Watch her not even retweet the official cover blog post about the 4M subs achievement. Only Kiara can poke Gura about numbers, based chicken.

>>16514434
A new original song with Mori to be be released this month

en will always have low ccv numbers than jp

>>16514418
She does. She said as much on stream numerous times. That's why she likes doing members karaoke so much, because sheer amount of people watching her public ones dtill makes her nervous.

>>16514492
Actually, there was a cull active for the entirety of the year.

>>16514492
It wasn't
It hasn't been since December 2020

I know it's tempting anons but don't you dare click on that post button

>>16514214
What website is this?

>>16514492
You are retarded.

>>16514470
Even nousagi left Pekora after the yab. I honestly never seen that coming

>>16514559
Hit everyone equally so comparisons were still valid. Adjusting for a scalar decrease is easy.

>16514492
>CCV
>Accurate
kek

>>16514492
I mean it wasn't accurate as in, being the actual number of people watching, but at least it was stable.

Dragon Quest is holding nearly 40k viewers right now among Holos. Eat shit to the "DQ is a debuff" people.

>>16514623
What yab? Because she didn't stream on Christmas? Is that a yab?

>>16514634
Anon... Did you miss the mountains of graphics detailing how uneven that cull was?

Why won't this thread numberfag overall popularity instead of just one metric?

Aside from subs where she's obviously the first, and SC where's she's weakest, I feel like Gura is at least in the top 5 in all metrics.

And it's not just me coping for Gura. Pekora still has the chance to be top 1 in overall popularity with her overall metrics too.

>>16514623
learn english

>>16514615
Vchama

>>16514650
Copium

>>16514692
It's a debuff for me personally. It's boring af to watch and even Peko can't salvage it.

honestly why most jp schizos are from SEA?

>>16514705
I tried to but this thread insist on judging a Vtuber based on just 1 metric so no one ever listen to me

>>16514634
Anon, even the people who dismiss the 2020 cull as insignificant for comparison doesn't claim it's equal.

>>16514418
It’s pretty obvious I feel. What’s more than that is that without her existence for a good 6-8 months, EN vtubing would literally not exist. Mori obviously has a lot to do with it too but when you search Gura vids up you’ll legit find hundreds of Gura clips/songs/animations in the millions across the entire year. EN feels like it can stand on its own two feet now no matter where you look but it really did take Gura and myth to accomplish what they did.

Gura had the weight of the world on her shoulders. But she’s cute so it’s okay

>>16514470
>Gura's ccv drops after jay yab
>Pekora's ccv drops after jun yab

If your name starts with J, you kill top-tier chuubas, rrat?

>>16514657
Yea.
It was "well they numbers are fucked, but they're mostly fucked across the board (fuck you ENschizo, as much as I love the silly shark, the VOD views also indicate that her CCV has dropped a bit since the SUPERHYPE period of debut, but she's held pretty steady throughout 2021)
It's the 'least bad' thing to keep track of trends with, at least until Susan's 2021 CCVID decided to throw a wrench into the works. Now? I don't trust CCV one fucking bit, with inconsistent culls across userbases and unknown fuckery happening with waiting rooms.
FUCK YOU SUSAN.

>>16514773
I mean...
The thing is you can really only do that sorta analysis like once a week at most, and realistically once a month for a good writeup. Outside of that, there's not really enough data to do a day-by-day for it.

>>16514705
>>16514773
Because overall popularity doesn't matter here. It should be easily Gura, then 2nd 3rd 4th etc doesn't matter because no one cares.
CCV is numberfagged here since it's constantly moving and is an excellent discount horse race to shit around about.
Everything else isn't which is why CCV is dominating here and always will be, most just want to play horse racing with chubbas as the horses.

>>16514727
>Don't have data more than seven days ago
Shame. I want to know the difference between pre-CCVID, CCVID and post-CCVID

>>16514705
Ratio nigger time but Gura is actually really strong with super chats, she just doesn't stream a lot to get that total number super high.

>Gura
$2993 per stream
>Pekora
$1988 per stream

>>16514705
No one can agree with which metrics to care about and how much each metric should weigh.
The trick to not wanting to kill yourself in /#/ is to stop trying to establish a consensus ranking who's better or worse and just focus on the numbers. Half the thread is going to disagree and call you retarded, while Gura and Pekora both continue to do extremely well.
Or if you want to tribalfag, you can do that and start timeloops I guess.

>>16514905
didn't read cope about it

>>16514700
For Japanese, yes. But mostly because of her attitude regarding the matter, I can see why that would make people leave her
>Promised to do something on Christmas at the beginning of December
>Promised to stream the day before Christmas
>Didn't
>No Twitter post regarding the matter
>Said "I don't care" on member stream regarding the matter
>No apology for breaking her promise at least
Even if the Christmas yab isn't real, she still broke her promise

>>16514937
Ayame I kneel
>>16514948
I'll reduce it to 20 words or less to dumb it down for you
># is a horse race and you can't do that with other metrics

>>16514983
SHE PROMISED

>>16514705
Because it's kind of nebulous and shifts in popularity takes place over long period of times aren't something you would actively discuss every day. People do note inclines like with Subaru, Suisei, Marine ect but these are month long arcs not something that just happens in a single stream.

>>16514777
Taking their median from one month to the next and saying any decrease was the cull isn't a very good methodology. Median CCV changes wildly over the year.

>>16515016
>Ayame
$1865 per stream
Actually lower than both of them, lol

>>16514796
I hate Jun, the Jun yab that still cling to Pekora are entirely his own fault and from what I gathered in /jp/, he is quite a shitty person as well

>>16515075
>>16515016
Basically, people want instant gratification regardless of how retarded it is.

>>16514214
Looks like no difference in EN prime time but a huge difference in JP prime time when comparing CCVID and post-CCVID

>>16514905
Basically.
Only half the regulars here really want to talk about numbers or how their favourites are doing better/worse.
The rest are here to see who wins the day and head to head CCV clashes between big streams, eventho they know CCV is inaccurate.

>>16515109
She was actually streaming during non-important events, a shame

If she makes this a regular model this is going to cause Mooms to incline. This is one of the cutest models I've ever seen. IRyS needs something like this.

>>16515067
Yeah unironically this. She hyped it up so much but nothing ever happened, even if I forgive her for it, I figure a lot of people wouldn't

>>16515100
>Taking their median from one month to the next and saying any decrease was the cull isn't a very good methodology. Median CCV changes wildly over the year.

??? Are you retarded? If median CCV changes wildly over the year, then why is it valid for comparison?

It was stable after the cull, that's why people still used it, but it was not equal at all.

Ok Pekora overall number aside, I want to talk about how she have been holding 19k people hostage on her stream for hours already and they haven't leave. It kind of impress me personally

>>16514983
Dumb rabbit, she could have pulled a gura and just tweet that she is spending time with her family or just "tummy hurt". Just bad communication

>>16514214
link to the site?

>>16515016
>>16515147
>gratification
Is there any? It's just the thrill of numberfagging CCV. This thread is better summarized as
>horse racing CCV with chubbas while numberfagging other metrics during break time in between races

>>16514917
At least I caught the last 2 days of the CCVID

Hey /#/ vsn you do a pleb a favor? I made a promise to member Mumei when she started streaming more regularly, and I'd really like to member her now. Do you have her streaming hours or the last couple of months?

>>16515229
>If median CCV changes wildly over the year, then why is it valid for comparison?
...What? CCV changes because the content from month to month is different. One month might have a costume reveal, an anniversary and buff streams the next might be spamming some shitty JRPG.

>>16515255
She's quite autistic. The first thing she said when people tell her about it is "Huh? I didn't expect people to react this strongly about it"

>>16514937
>>16515016
>>16515109
>Rushia
$4234 per stream
>Mori
$3089 per stream
>Chloe
$5514 per stream

>>16515353
Adding on to this because content dictates so much of CCV saying "Well her numbers dropped from X month to Y month therefore she got culled" is wrong. We know there was a cull in December 2020 but the claims it hit any group harder have never been based in anything but a very simplistic view that if Gura dropped 40% then she must have been culled for 40% which obviously doesn't factor in debut buff wearing off or the possibility she just had shittier content that month.

>>16515402
Orca I kneel!

>>16515293
https://vchama.xyz/
It's a good site for checking collabs map actually

>>16515520
Ah yes. Youtube's golden streamer losing to fucking Lofi and Indians
Jesus Indian literally run this website

>>16515520
>mogged by pajeet
bros...

>>16515354
use this
https://holo.poi.cat/vtuber/mumei
the "stream times" graphic is what you want. hover over blue squares to see how long the streams were

>>16515520
Pandit Pradeep Ji Mishra Sehore Wale is my oshi. I follow the numbers.

Anyone know what happened with Kanata after the offcollab? Did she have a break down or something?

>>16515673
Spoonfeed me, what was the offcollab about and why are there rrats about it?

>>16515379
Now we need clippers to clip Isegye as well, they deserve to go global.

>>16515579
>Jesus Indian literally run this website
Imagine if China doesn't block their internet...
CCP doing good for that

>>16515597
Awesome, thanks!

>>16515579
Did youtube cull these pajeets too?

>>16515702
so people expected more than a glorified twitter space, the chemistry was kinda wack and kanata was mopping on her rmt twitter by the end of it. it also costed a bunch of money

>>16515767
I still don't know what the offcollab was about. but thanks!

>>16515720
Indian have T-series to back them up

>>16515798
it was an onsen trip stream, they basically left the stream going on a room and people came and went over the course of 12hrs, with some loose "plan" of activities (games, dares, etc)

This thread turns more and more civil as it approaches JP prime. How? It's almost as if the shitposters just decided to go to sleep and everyone active at the time are not against still using CCV as the preferred metric unanimously.

>>16515757
>Suddenly remember T-series and the race to 100m subs
>See this
My answer is no, they did not get culled and JESUS

>>16515720
Seeing their tiktok livestream numbers, the top 10 would be all chink streams shilling products with 1m+ viewers

>>16515520
Yopi I kneel

>>16515939
all bots

>>16515767
She already stated the collab was just 5 members having a chill time, I dont think the listeners care much about the activities since people were still watching when most of the members were sleeping. It more of kanata beating herself up for her own expectations.

>>16515720
Chink could easily overwhelm anything on the internet, but CCP prefer control over that.

>>16515973
They gained another 100m ever since the race. Even if it's all bots that is still very impressive the amount of money spend on those bots
Like they have no reason to go to 200M, they already top 1 in subs but they did it anyway

>>16515579
I thought you said Iofi was mogging Ludwig for a second there.

>>16514705
>>16514773
want to numberfag subs?
https://www.youtube.com/user/JennaMarbles/
cope

>>16512665
Watamage strikes again!

>>16516030
Lofi girl is powerful as shit. I used to be a loyal audience too when I was studying for my final

I wonder if Mumei can pull a Red Heart with her original by releasing it after actually singing it multiple times.
If it does follow, maybe it's the better way to release a song.

>>16516017
Isn't that because of anyone who created an account there automatically subscribes to them?
>>16516049
Might as well use Pewds, he even actually used an avatar at one point

https://youtube.com/channel/UCDalnofE9K3GMHMymH4Jz3w

I am so glad this small Holo animator is getting such good views.

Hololive has fostered such a great fan environment that helps small time animators like this get good views and audience.

>>16516133
Why doesn't Niji have this many high effort animations?

>>16515402
And she turned off SC for her dedicated SC readings too, because otherwise she will never finish them (she still hasn't finished them)

>>16516091
Hmmm I don't know much about that, how can you make someone subs automatically upon account creation without them noticing? I figure Youtube probably have a way, I just don't know about it

>>16515566
is this accurate?

>>16515579
That's nothing, a flip news livestream called ABS-CBN gets 100K

>>16516207
yes. it's the sports fes or that watame song

>223 total collabs
>6 holos in that image with ~50 collabs each
>plus Subaru with 107 by herself
If it's 'accurate' it's using a very loose definition for collabs.

>>16516362
and Coco's graduation

>>16516362
I think they're asking about the collabs with the males.

>>16516344
>News stream
100k is normal for those kind of stream. Soccer literally getting millions of ccv out there

>>16516403
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1Ak7EUjMQ8
This stream

>>16515975
What were her expectations?

>>16516164
Imagine having to pay niji fees on top of all that effort.

>>16514343
Because her management didn't bother asking Twitch ahead of time

>>16512654
>>16512778
>>16512786
>>16512937
It was solo practice before the tournament. The 9k was when she won a game. The more impressive part of the graph is how stable she was around 7k even though she was losing. Obivously she's been inclining.

>>16516492
She will probably elaborate more in the next member stream. But the pressure definitely wasn't from the fan's side.

>>16516164
collab fees

>52k niconico
come home... hololive....

>>16516805
>kick people out of stream because muh full
Yeah no

Lauren seems to be the big Niji winner for CR cup so far with Kuzuha's absence this time.
His scrims have been 3x his normal numbers (10-12k) and tonight, he's the most watched Niji POV, higher than Ib and Fuwa.
Might even reach 20k later on if his team does well.

>>16516805
That should be total views not CCV

selen on twitch today, 2,721 average viewers 3,368 peak
aren't those exactly the kind of numbers she gets on youtube?

>>16516836
there's no way

>>16516805
except i literally can't watch the stream because its "full" and would need to buy nico premium to kick someone else and take their place. oh and i can't pay with paypal because JAPAN

>>16517025
>>16517124
small japanese company please understand

>>16516164
Nijisanji has no passionate fans and only attaches with Niji because >CONTRARIAN GUD

>2022
>playing SFV

Does he hate numbers?

>>16516961
normal apex is 2k unless she puts a gimmick on it.

>>16516805
Don't believe that number.
The last NND Holo pokemon tournament beat 200k, but it's just some mystery sauce engagement number.

>>16516951
it's ccv, currently stable arlt 78k

>>16517213
finana was with her, does that count as a gimmick?

>>16517242
Nnd is total views.

>>16517242
that's not CCV and you can cheat by spamming F5 or some shit

So today i brought how bae was getting culled on her manag stream or at least showing some minor CCVID
This stream was after the CCVID fix
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/RVNGFdIiSfw
4.9k average and 6k peak
99k views after 5 days

This stream was today
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/rXlBEYZ99JE
3.9k average and 5k peak
alreayd at 83k views.
still not sure what cuauses it but seems like 2-4k gets culled EN currently. which is not as bad as the beggining of the year but still kinda ass.

>>16517201
???
>More hours watched than Genshit
>Higher average CCV than Apex

>>16517247
she normally doesnt break 3k on twitch so yeah

>>16517438
Well unless people are continuing to lose their shit at YT it'll probably remain like that.

>>16517438
The relay probably ended up flagging a bunch of people. AGAIN.

>>16517589
Can't do it unless ENs put up polls and shit to throw at them. Someone already sent the graphs of the streams earlier today and got the "We're currently working on a fix" message, so Youtube KNOWS it isn't fixed yet.

>>16517307
I don't think it's total view since there is viewer cap that will kick out all free usef

>>16517624
>"We're currently working on a fix"
Chances on them actually fixing it?

>>16515973
>>16516091
>>16516178
T-series is just a big record label that allows 500m indians with mobile internet to listen to all the bollywood songs and indian music for free, so any indian that buys a phone and makes a youtube account will get t-series recommended and will sub for the free music
I'm amazed at how people dismiss big numbers coming from hyper populated countries like China or India, but this thread that relies on numbers should know better that if a country has 500-1bn internet users, the numbers will be big no matter what they do, especially if they are all focused on 1 thing at the same time. Look at the chess match between IM Sukandar and some cheating indo that got 1.25m live viewers on youtube

>>16517670
well they DID soemthing last week.
Chances are they are still looking at it still or doing it again.

>>16517680
Do people here forget just how many people are in India?

>>16517710
The 9 year olds are still seething that T-series beat pewds in subs despite the swede being the one blatantly botting

>EN still has the ccvid!
>moomers gets 17k in her unarchived karaoke stream
Cullfags explain yourselves

>>16517804
What exactly do you expect, anon?

So if the cull gets fixed who is gonna be the unfortunate chuuba revealed to have actually trash numbers the whole time?

>>16511295
i don't get why these youtubers separate cover songs from original songs. like why not just have 1 big ranking of all hololive songs

>>16517702
They just cleared the "suspicious" status for a bunch of accounts, they didnt actually fix the AI algo.
I was flagged during CCVID peak, got unflagged when they did something and showed as a viewer for about 2 days, and then i was reflagged and un-viewered again after a few days of watching streams.

The Council outfit reveal graphs follow a very similar pattern to stage2 CCVID slightly less severe than Myths when they did their outfits, struggling to even recover their waiting rooms.

>>16517804
mumei probably was 20k they arent losing as much but enough to be noticeable by numberfags

>>16517702
They want something that hits the obvious botting that's going on with rippleshit while also NOT culling the living shit out of legit streamers, because hitting actual people's CCV is actively detrimental if it ends up with less eyes viewing ads in the long run as people see the platform as 'unreliable for streaming'.
It got as bad as it did because there was no oversight as the AI flagged shit rampantly over the holidays, but they're clearly trying to tune that shit so they don't need to try and manually review botted streams, because y'know, human review = costly.

>>16517888
Niji girls

>>16517904
Covers are more popular than orisongs

>>16517972
then why not have 1 for all kind of songs (even if they are all covers), and another for just original songs?

>>16517804
She caught part of the funnel from Subari.

>>16517440
Are those numbers also coming from tournament streams?

I was thinking maybe DBFZ would be much better choice since he could also talk about the anime.

>>16517956
They could solve that by restricting this retarded verification with a keyword trigger of Ripple/Crypto/XRP or whatever crypto happens to be the current scammers choice.

>>16518106
'Shrug'
Remember, the head of YT gaming is a cryptofag, they probably don't wanna do THAT either as that would be seen as an attack on cryptoshit instead of 'just going after bots'.

This thread confuses me. So is the cull back or is it cope? Make up your minds numberfags.

>>16518273
It's cope

>>16514312
>Lyrics and Arrangement : farhan
I just hope gura would hired some named and real producer/song writter this time

>>16518282
Ok then. I'll agree that the EN side is coping if you promise no take backs anon.

>>16518273
it's not, but apparently there are some scragglers with long ccvid

>>16518273
It's copull

>>16518295
nah, lyrics will be handled by Mori and Gura for sure.

>>16516164
In general Niji seems less friendly to the art communities. Look at how often Holos are trumpeting praise for their artists and riggers and compare it to how the Niji ones are more or less anonymous.

Add the whole DLSite fiasco and you can imagine the art community is probably a little wary of em.

>>16518295
Where are you seeing arrangement by Farhan? I think they said on stream it was a big name producer wasn't it

>>16518273
Current status is : Youtube says it's not fixed yet
Given that and the fact that some people ARE still getting flagged, I'll say it's probably around but not as bad as it got before everyone got unflagged, and it's currently in "Please watch" status.

UI GOLD
>UI GOLD
UI GOLD
>UI GOLD

>>16518273
Its back, just compare the graphs for myth outfits(peak of CCVID) to the council's outfits. Outfit reveals never struggled to reach waitingroom in sub-5 minutes before december, most of them didnt reach waitingroom till 20 minutes and slow waitingroom to viewer recovery is a primary indicator of CCVID's slow viewer verification.
It will probably get more severe in the next 3-5 days again as people get re-flagged.

Holo pokemon niconico
Is this real number?

>>16518520
Source
https://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv335107297

>>16518520
No, NND numbers are gibberish

>>16518520
No, I don't know how do they count that but it's not ccv. Those numbers never go down.

>>16518520
No, they are basically equivalent to views instead of viewers, its a blackbox almost as bad as bilibili viewer numbers.

>>16518295
Farhan has never written lyrics for HoloEN lol

>>16518520
No, it's not CCV. It's similar to Bilibili's magic number.

Any high ccv Vtuber pov from CR cup?

>>16518435
That reminds me of this old niji cope, they were complaining about how holos were stealing their artist by pandering to them.

Is it just me or NijiEN has stopped asking for fanarts and doujin lately?

>>16518732
Well considering the entire company took a shit on fan works as a whole this doesn't surprise me.

>>16518366
>>16518443
Good then.

>>16518732
they're begging for it?

>>16518732
They can no longer ask for those since Niji rage ban all the doujin in DLsite

>>16518790
Yeah, I remember some saying on stream about wanting to see more fan arts and stuff, probably shown on stream too like a review. But nothing came out of it.

>>16515566
A few things I noticed.

Top 3 collabing members of Hololive
1. Fubuki 815
2. Matsuri 723
3. Towa 622

Top 3 collabing members of Nijisanji
1. Kanae 1927
2. Kuzuha 1534
3. Chihiro 1236

All of them pale in comparison to the queen Hinokuma Ran with 2713.

>>16518859
idk does the frequency of fanart uploads increased? maybe they have enough already.

>>16518732
Niji cucked them out of that when they partnered with DL

I checked a round of Korean clips a d it seems most Holo clips are getting above 10-20k views.

Is it considered good?

>>16518701
Try Shibuya Hal's 15K-20K CCV although I doubt those numbers due to number of likes and the speed of his chat.

Holy Shit, Suisei is pulling Yashiro numbers in his own buff game

>>16518908
Still though, it was pushed hard in the earlier days, now though, they are completely silent when it comes to fan art or fan community.

>>16519022
APEXfags only log in to dislike bomb preazu andastand

>>16518553
Everyone thinks Ayame will win

>>16519073
She did win the last one right?

>>16518889
Apexsanji...

>>16519000
yeah
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2fvhDgem6GHbeUgSog-LZg/videos

>>16519039
I don't get it, nips don't care about nijiEN at all, i doubt that EOP fanartists care about nijiJP banning lewd artworks on a website unknown outside japan. They won't get shit for requesting fanarts.

On twitch people mostly use CCV and sub count (members) to gauge how well they are doing follower count (subs) is barely part of the equation, if it was Ninja would be the face of twitch not XQC.
So why should it be different on youtube?

>>16518832
>>16518785
Why is the company lead by the zoomer the one that has this attitude?

>>16519073
Danchou...

>>16519134
NijiEN doesn't have EOP fans. All their fans are ESL Seanigs and various other asian muts.

>>16519255
More like Riku can't even control his own company and let share holders push him around.

>>16517804
Seems like a lot of people to drop out considering it was good singing

what the fuck is suzy doing and why does it have 20k

Suzy 20k GET

>>16519314
This is what happens when you receive big investment from big companies while having a big roster as well.

5k waiting https://youtu.be/NmP_EJdcE6E

I thought the Apex meta is dead? You fags lied to me again.

One Million Club

1. Gura (Oct 22, 2020)
2. Korone (Nov 1, 2020)
3. Fubuki (Nov 5, 2020)
4. Pekora (Dec 4, 2020)
5. Aqua (Jan 13, 2021)
6. Marine (Jan 18, 2021)
7. Calli (Jan 25, 2021)
8. Haachama (Feb 10, 2021)
9. Amelia (Feb 11, 2021)
10. Coco (Feb 17, 2021)
11. Rushia (Mar 2, 2021)
12. Noel (Apr 12, 2021)
13. Okayu (Apr 17, 2021)
14. Miko (Apr 30, 2021)
15. Ina (May 27, 2021)
16. Kiara (May 30, 2021)
17. Matsuri (Jun 1, 2021)
18. Suisei (Jun 26, 2021)
19. Subaru (Jul 2, 2021)
20. Ayame (Jul 7, 2021)
21. Watame (Jul 17, 2021)
22. Kanata (Jul 27, 2021)
23. Botan (Oct 16, 2021)

Upcoming (over 900k):
24. Moona
25. Shion
26. Ollie
27. Towa
27. Mio
28. Sora
29. Lamy
30. Polka

====

Two Million Club

1. Gura (Jan 18, 2021)

Upcoming (over 1.9m):

====

Three Million Club

1. Gura (July 4, 2021)

>>16518710
Weren't the holofags the ones complaining that Waifie and Kanauru are doing NijiEN art?

>>16519466
didn't realize it's been so long since a 1 mill subs happened, from the upcoming who's growing the fastest

ojou has been holding 11k on twitter space for a while

fuck it, who has the horniest fanbase?

>>16519494
Moona is the closest but Towa is gaining subs faster. Shion could easily gets there first if she streams but...

>>16519381
a gacha rhythm game
and she's good at it and she actually has good knowledge of miku and it's music

>>16519494

>>16519494
>>16519618
I forgot Shion, but she's on a break anyway.

>>16519466

4 million club, some time in April 2022

GURA

>>16519618
Cover and Hololice is too strong, still the only agency with 10 vtubers over 1M club, 1 in 2M and 3M club.

>>16519618
>>16519651

so by pure extrapolation it's towa? ofc, im expecting trends to change

>>16519715
They're too strong that schizos need to pit Holos vs other Holos because there's no competition.

When's Mumei's song coming out?

>>16519458
It was never gonna die, it just temporarily slowed because of the dogshit map last season or two and 3sniper meta being a snoozefest to watch.

>>16519737
Nah, Moona should get it in a month, she'll get a boost the closer to it she gets.

>>16519737
No, Moona is at 971k, so at the current growth rate she's 1M in 30 days, while Towa would be at 980-990k

>>16519453
Hmm, gold might slip after all? I doubt it but that's low if it's still an hour away

>>16519466
>before this year ends they will have 30 members with over 1M subs
jesas

prediction for Ui mama 3D stream later?