/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

>>16264533
Emperor...

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *

>37,316: Pekora (Hololive)
>26,292: Korone (Hololive)
>21,482: Koyori (Hololive)
>18,205: Laplus (Hololive)
>17,852: Laplus (Hololive)
>17,803: Shibuya Hal (merise)
>16,400: IRyS (Hololive)
>15,956: Fubuki (Hololive)
>15,711: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>15,504: Ibrahim (Nijisanji)
>15,286: Rushia (Hololive)
>15,035: Koyori (Hololive)
>14,032: Mito (Nijisanji)
>13,718: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>13,465: Botan (Hololive)
>13,446: Mysta (Nijisanji)
>12,448: Kanata (Hololive)
>12,080: Lamy (Hololive)
>11,542: Iroha (Hololive)
>10,540: Aizawa Ema (VSPO)
>10,336: Patra (774 Inc.)

>gura straggle to top 20k
>pekora easily tops 30k

>>16266042
moonrunes

>>16266042
translate it weebs

>>16266099

>>16266254
Jeez, what a bunch of garbage avatarfagging.

Let me ask again because I (>>16264904) was late to the party.

What's the source for the >>16255465 image?

Where the fuck is Sana

>>16266974
why do you ask? there's already a sana collab scheduled for tomorrow

>>16266231
>>16266252
Its just suki-kari, love-hate. Japanese website where people can rate there most loved and hated celebs. That right is most loved holos left is most hated. It's treated almost like a chatroom though, with people constantly voting over and over again while replying to each others votes.

>>16266595
Blinded by the Setting Sun

>>16267062
>right is most loved left is most hated
Nips...love Matsuri a lot and hate Sora? What?

>>16267265
Tanks,ammo.

>>16267305
I comprehend why they love Matsuri but I can't the hate towards Sora. Maybe they suspect her "pureness" it's fake... In contrast to the "true to herself" behavior of Matuli?

>>16267305
I became retarded and dyslexic for 30 seconds there. Sorry.

>>16267688
Anon... There's no Ip checking on that website. You can vote as often as you want by just clearing your cookies. It's more a testament to who has the most dedicated schizos than anything else.

Why doesn’t Hololive open a Korean branch? Kiara has shown there’s a potentially a real untapped market there.

>>16267855
Because then one day pekora or ayame will make some joke that offends gooks and we'll have taiwan again.

>>16267701
Impressive example of a VOD actually getting a fuckton of views later. I wonder if outfit reveal can do it too? it grew by like 300k outside normal post stream numbers so far

>>16267062
Left (Iroha) is well liked, right (Maturi) is most hated.

Pakora's chicken is still cold. Idgaf if it won gold. 37k for a birthday countdown is on the low side for her. Pre-Pakora Pekora would've gotten at least 50-60k.

>>16267062
Reading comments I'm pretty sure you somehow mistook left with right. And that site is pretty useless, like another anon said it just show how many shizos girls have, hell Coco and Fubuki are so high probably because of chinks.

>>16267913
It can but not anytime soon.

>>16266042
Wait they like Koyori? I thought she was Japanese Kiara

>>16267892
I wouldn’t say the danger of offending Koreans is nearly comparable to the whole Taiwan/China thing. japs are just as autistic as gooks when it comes to that stuff, yet Hololive already employs 2 Koreans (Ina and Kronii), and it’s never been an issue.

WHERE IS THE SHARK I WANT TO SEE HER NUMBERS

>>16267949
trust me when I tell you that no one who watches her actually cared about the christmas thing. this cold chicken meme is one of the stupidest things I've heard in a long time. anyway here's your (You)

>>16268216
Calm down sperg, she's on her 2 day break. Maybe 3.

>>16268055
She's been in the top 10 superchatted every week since getting monetized and her streams today had 21k, 15k, and 9.7k viewers anon

>>16268259

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HWCMh1ZmzE&feature=youtu.be
1M get

>>16268055
I can't believe /vt/ was wrong again

>Sana got a Capcom sponsorship (With Ina/Kronii/Bae)
Hololive sure does love spreading these sponsorships huh

>>16265941
how is Mysta so strong? He's competing with HoloEN in CCV

>>16267855
Because Kiara attracting a cult Korean fanbase is a relatively recent development, and honestly it wouldn’t surprise me if Cover has started to at least talk about the idea.

>>16268332
koreans and australians...

>>16267892
Even gooks hate gooks. A lot of them wish they stayed under Japanese rule

>>16268332
Was this not apparent when Luna was sponsored to play Microsoft Flight Simulator, an autistic plane simulator with no Japanese localization

>>16268332
>sana got a sponsored stream before fauna
faufau...

>>16268304
That doesn't mean anything. Kiara is the 2nd most superchatted EN and also the most hated by far.

>16268401
>A lot of them wish they stayed under Japanese rule
lmao that's enough 4chan for me today

>>16268420
yeah but luna gets sponsored for weird shit all the time, she's the tony hawk chuuba too somehow

>>16268443
The superchat I'll give you, but I don't think 10-20k people are tuning in because they hate watching her

>>16265941
>>16268360
Wow, I didn't notice it before. Mysta actually won EN gold. Not a single holoEN stream above 10k there.

>>16268463
>He doesn't know
Modern Korea is completely pozzed anon

>>16268443
Most hated EN by far is actually Mori, but she’s #1 in SCs, so it actually helps your point.

>>16268527
im pretty sure that this board turned orange more times than it turned pink

>>16268463
the gore vid /pol/ posting in the last thread wasn't enough for you?

>>16268514
Oh wait, I guess there's the Irys one, but it was an anniversary vs a regular stream, so still impressive.

>>16268514
Are you just pretending to be retarded?

Is there an easy way to see which streams were guerillas? I'd like to see if EN guerillas deviate more from the norm than JP ones. It seems like they should, since the global audience is probably more reliant on schedules, but I don't really know how to confirm that.

>>16267892
This
Gooks threw a shit fit on Bushiroad because of a single picture

>>16268566
I forget that Irys is EN sometimes.

>>16268538
The was one schizo posting on cooldown while constantly ban evading (aka orcschizo).

He's so happy bros

>>16268598
>I forget that Irys is EN sometimes.

Based

>>16268463
South Korea is just a same color different shade version of Japan. The whole “hate” between the two countries is wildly exaggerated by internet schizos.

>>16268624
The EN niji males are doing far better than I ever expectes. I thought they'd be Petra tier but they're mogging most of Council

>>16268624
didnt he said that 3/4 of his audience are nips? these are the same fujos that watch other niji jp males I assume

>>16268667
It's the narcissism of small differences again, the more similar two groups are the more they become hyper-sensitive to tiny differences
See also: Niji and Holo fans on this board

>>16268624
Disgusting

>>16268259
Why are you replying to Pekoschizo? He said Pekora was never gonna see these kind of numbers again, that there was no cull for her and that we were seeing her true numbers. Now that he's gotten BTFO into orbit he's desperately coping and moving goalposts to save face (i.e further embarrassing himself). Just ignore him and leave him to his desperate coping and goalpost moving. You can't reason with a schizo of his magnitude.

>>16268672
>The EN niji males are doing far better than I ever expectes.
True.
> but they're mogging most of Council
Lmao Vox is already doing worse than Bae, who is 4th in Council for viewership.

>>16268672
Anon Council are not 5 Sanas and nijiEN males are no 5 Mystas.

>>16268776
anon you dont get it, NijiEN males = 5 mystas in this thread

>>16268776
do yourself a favor anon, dont give attention to nijitards

>>16268672
I don’t see why anybody would be that surprised by NijiEN homos doing well after seeing how much Myth’s success shocked the industry. That was a far more precarious risk at the time and a far greater return on investment. Myth

>>16268776
Don't you know anon? The moment a Niji reaches a big number on their stream, that's actually their new normal and median.
Some nigger was actually saying Mysta is Gura tier.

>>16268776
Don't you know? When you compare gens or branches you clone the top performer 4 times and pretend all members. People do it all the time like pretending HoloMyth does well in VOD views when most of them aren't high outside of Gura.

>>16268914
Well... Mysta is doing well specifically by tapping into the Japanese/SEA fujo audience, which I don't think is what people really had in mind when guessing if the EN branch would do well
He may as well have been a NijiJP member

>>16268332
That's because Hololive doesn't practice social credit point system and are free to recommend anyone they think that is deserving or in need of help.

>>16266254
>pekofag is a cuck poster

>>16268995
Usually they use a volunteer system unless the sponsor asks for a specific member.

Mori's tea time collab will be with fauna and sana, calculate the percentage of debuffs

>Parra finally got deleted from the sub ranking site
Based japs, I hope they can filter out all the other scattered spic fake "vtubers" that the retarded spics have been pushing into it.

>>16269077
Eh, is a 10k-12k stream not more not less

>>16268360
He's an ADHD spazzy anime boy. I don't think I could make a better character to appeal to teen weeb girls.

>>16268914
Myth is also ridiculously high spec for a gen, I don't think Luxiem's roommates are quite that powerful.

>>16269115
>gets remove right after surpassing kuzuha as the male chuuba with most subs

Post some good chicken pakora

>>16269077
>>16269134
I feel like Mori's zatsu collabs are one of her main attractions recently.
Probably no 10k but close to it.

>>16269077
The other girls aren't debuffs, anon, even tho they usually get poor numbers on their own. The only debuff for EN is Kiara and Matuli for JP.

why are people so butthurt about nepotism hires? most of the nepotism hires done by hololive or nijisanji worked out pretty well, no?

>>16268914
I forgot British accents existed. I think that was Niji's smartest move wit the guys.

>>16269206
>I feel like Mori's zatsu collabs are one of her main attractions recently.
probably because there's a demand for those kinds of collabs since they are pretty rare for them to happen in EN, so Mori being the one trying to make them more regular is the selling point

>>16269220
Bae's ccv literally rose from 5k to 6k when Kiara joined, anon

>>16269077
Mori having her first real collab with Fauna is gonna be a buff. The first tea party with Ina and Mumei peaked at 17k iirc, so it would be hardly unexpected if the median CCV is 10k+ with a peak of around 13-14k.

She has quite a few tourists, but no one is left to watch

>>16269238
You can't be serious, anon. All nepotism hires of NijiEN perform the lowest.
Selen and Nina, their best performers aren't nepotism hires. Same thing goes with the males.

>Jun's doggo died


sad

>>16269238
>nepotism hires
People need to get over themselves and stop using a term that clearly isn't what is going on.

>>16269341
Will Pekora be very upset about this?

>>16269341
>Jun's dog died
Great, now Sana's going to another month long break. LET'S GO!!

>>16269338
>what is Hololive Gamers
Fubuki's friends are very well-liked by everyone.

>>16269338
> All nepotism hires of NijiEN perform the lowest.
I don't think so

>>16269335
Reimu's only competition is Nina reading SC...

>>16269220
This isn't always true for Gura collabs.

>>16269429
How is he a nepotism hire? Wasn't it Shu who was Elira's friend?

>>16269429
He isn't the nepotism hire.

>>16269482
why are niji girls performing so bad?

>>16269555
Reimu is Kanae's cum puppet.

>>16269506
yeah, Shu is Elira's friend

>>16269555
Nina is literally just saying "honey" 1000 times

>>16268360
Only on buff streams. However i dont think 10k ccv will be common for him down the line specially looking at vox

>>16269555
Same reason Holo homos do so poorly. Niji has built its core audience on pandering to Fujos while Hololive’s was built on pandering to lonely Oji-sans.

>>16269506
>>16269522
They were good friends
https://archive.ragtag.moe/watch?v=04QGqSvIv28

>>16268993
I dont think jp fujos will stick in the long run. Jps barely stick to english streamers unless they know english or this know japanese.
Sea is another story tough

Any reasons council flopped so badly

>>16269555
Now that they actually have a really good liver in their branch, I think we can finally be honest and say that NijiEN Wave 1-3 was, well... mediocre.
>Pomu's defining trait was that she was an "idol otaku"
>Finana is basically a discount vshoujo who isn't actually good enough to BE IN Vshoujo (I can't believe I actually said that but here we are)
>Elira is ok
>Rosemi is basically gachibait the streamer. Kinda dissapointed since her PL actually showed potential
>Petra is Petra
>Selen is above average
>Then you have wave 3 who's only redeeming quality is their ability to squeeze as much money from their few gachis as frequently as possible (this is actually a good trait by the way) but is otherwise a failure of a gen.
The fact that we had to put Selen on a pedestal anytime she scrapped above 3k was honestly shameful. When the only good thing that you could parrot about Wave's 1-3 is chemistry then you know they were bad picks.

>>16269973
totally agree, specially with wave 3

Fubuki made a comment earlier today that hardly anything would change about Hololive, at least on the JP side of things, if HoloEN just suddenly stopped existing one day. She didn’t mean anything bad by it ofc, but it begs the question is she right?

>>16269973
>"liver"
Always a dead give away that you are a dirty Nijinigger.

>>16270004
proof?

>>16270004
Timestamp onegai? Or are you just gonna lie in the internet anon?

>>16270040
>literally talking about Nijis
>"N-nijinigger!!"
Why are you like this?

>>16270004
you cant just say that and expect people that arent retarded to believe you without something to back it off

>>16270040
Even Yagoo says their talent a "hololiver"

>>16270004
I also heard Fubuki calling OP a fag, but you don't see me bragging about it here because this isn't /drama/. Go back to your thread.

>>16270040
Yeah I do watch some Niji's from time to time, so what? Doesn't disprove what I said. And this is coming from someone who's guilty of calling Selen a "Top Star" because I honestly thought that she really was the best that Anykara could find. But with Vox and Mysta here now, as a numberfag, I can finally say that Selen isn't anything special.

>>16269973
>we had to put Selen on a pedestal
>we
I never bought the NijiEN hype. HoloEN's rival has always been Vshojo.

>>16270176
Vox isnt anything special. Only mysta is. And we still need to see if he can keep it.

>>16270118
*holo memba
Fuck you nijinigger

Isn't it weird that NijiID's breakout star appealed almost exclusively to Western viewers (then pissed it away), NijiKR's breakout star appeals almost exclusively to JP viewers, and now NijiEN's breakout star appeals mostly to JP/SEA viewers
They keep finding great picks but for the wrong branch

>>16270176
It's too early to say. They still got the debut buffs. Vox is already losing some of it. Also, you're not a true numberfag, nigger.

>>16269115
P2Y.jp still keeps him in the VTuber rankings, though. That site gets referenced by VTuber pages and articles on other websites. They omit official group channels, sub channels, inactive channels and Paka Tube from the list, so their top 50 used to end with Siro, before being recently passed and replaced by Sasaki Saku.
This article was made on a date after the removal on userlocal
https://p2y.jp/vtuber-youtube-subscribers-information-top-50-7-january-2022/
and they still make new articles about him
https://p2y.jp/parra-recorded-the-largest-number-of-youtube-subscribers-in-male-vtuber-history/

>>16269178
He actually got removed from userlocal days before he passed Kuzuha.

>>16269929
They failed to appeal to an entirely new audience and failed to steal fans from Myth’s pre-existing audience. It’s that simple. Even today, Gura and Mori probably pump more new fans into the Hololive brand on a daily basis than the entirety of Council does. Hell even Kiara has somewhat impressively stumbled upon a new niche of attracting Korean fans.

>>16270312
>not even a month already.
Ah true mysta still have some juice left. Voxx i agree is reclining

>>16270348
Koreans were watchibg council already specially kroni and bae.

>>16270231
Vox is male Kronii but a lot more competent in games, which is alot better than Selen who seems to be overly dependent on APEX for numbers. It would be one thing if she was actually pred-tier like we initially thought she was. But she isn't even that. And what good is playing Apex when you can't even join CR cup because you can't speak nihonggo? Not to mention, Vox can actually mog Selen in terms of CCV even when she's playing her buff game.

Iofi will overlap pekora birthday stream....

>>16270231
>Vox isnt anything special
3k in a zatsu during burger hours and 6k+ during Asian hours. That's far above what Selen can punch. Seems people here are getting numberroted by Mysta lmao.

>>16270453
>Vox is male Kronii but a lot more competent in games
pfffff
his game streams except genshin keep making him recline. He is a worse kronii at this point since his zatsu is weak too.
The only shit keeping him from reclining faster is genshin and coomer bait.

>>16270253
>https://www.moguravr.com/tokyo-xr-startups-interview/
>バーチャルライバー

Holomem is just called by talents themselves, not Yagoo

>>16270348
Okay, I can absolutely agree that they squandered opportunities like no other (Kronii refusing to stream Minecraft/join Shiraken when Polka shows extreme interest in her, each one taking large time off) but this idea that they’re huge flops is just ridiculous. They all pull pretty solid numbers, except for Sana which is prtty self explainatory, and HoloX’s subs per day has dropped down to councils numbers anyways. Kronii hasn’t even streamed anything big lately and is getting the same amount as Chloe and Laplus, and has an enormous following with even Korean clips getting 100k+ views a day.

Like I get it, they don’t get the JP inflation numbers like the rest, but they’re chill.

>>16270498
Good, gives me something to watch during that time slot. Watching Pekora just hasn't been the same since the Pakora incident. I really can't do it anymore.

>>16270313
Someone should update these clueless fags on his actual activities, I have no idea how they can write articles about him without actually checking his channel.

>>16270004
If she said it she's right. They make most from JP even if the ENs have more subs.
Regardless pics or it didn't happen.

>>16270551
kys chink

holobros...

>>16270522
Quality is subjective anon. But one thing that isn't subjective is numbers and Vox is #2 in NijiEN behind Mysta as pointed out here >>16270514

>>16270551
So you think the Pakora incident has the potential to do as much harm to Hololive as the Dodgeball incident did to Niji?

>>16270558
>no one's biting the absolutely retarded no proof statement
>in comes anon to samefag about it
Kys

>>16270587
remind me? is hololive the one with a kr branch or thats another company?

>>16270514
Debut buffs, anon.
Hell, more thank 10k people watched Mumei do her studies in silence.

>>16270587
>holo clips channel moging most of the korean vtuber market
impressive

>>16270522
>his zatsu is weak
He literally got more viewers than Selen did in her last APEX game streaming outside of his buffed hours.

>>16270626
I'm not a samefag but I am a retard.

>>16270348
Koreans were already watching, Kiara was just the first one to actively pander to them

>>16270635
The most impressive bit is that its last two clips are of Twap.

>>16269835
There has been another guy that's part of her sphere that announced he was graduating recently. I how close is NijiEN to debuting Wave 5.

Ok, I can respect NijiEN now that Mysta is here getting 10k numbers.

Selen was always overrated, but Mysta is a worthy opponent for Gura.

Can he beat her at least once though?

>>16270587
I didn’t know Kiara was THAT popular in korea the fuck

>>16270702
never forget...

>>16270587
>kairas clips with more views
kek

>>16270719
>Can he beat her at least once though?
do a Nihongo stream with Kuzuha or Kanae

>>1627073
What is her appeal? Besides being the only one to pander to them ofc. That strat only works if the audience you're pandering to likes you already.

Are we still interested in numbers testing? Ludwig is running 1 minute polls, getting 25% engagement and told his whole chat to like the stream.

>>16270732
they are like eops before holo en, doesnt matter who throws the bone, they will come

>>16270778
pic
also wasnt he sick?

What's the recent drama for Kiara?

>>16270777
wrong thread

>>16270869
Fuck off. We always wanted context for numbers.

>>16270856
she refuse to suck my dick

>>16270778
It needs to be a poll everyone will want to vote on. If viewers have no idea what the answer to his question is they wont vote since it's a competition. He's previously had the same near 100% engagement in polls in a few minutes that holos have had.

>>16270399
Kronii is the only Council that I would concede actually HAS carved out her own specific audience to some degree, but hardly because the Korean thing. She found a niche appealing to young suicidal doomers. The Koreans thing started with a Korean clipper making a viral video about something amusing that Ame said once, and then the phenomenon of Koreans getting interested in Hololive began funneling to Kiara.

>>16270778
is Ludwig a numberfag?
Would be nice if he told youtube shit aint 100% fixed yet and they have to reverse the 2020 cull too.

>>16270946
Kek, it's like magic. Hololive barely does anything to compete with Nijisanji, yet some miracle happens that makes them more popular in a market that Niji's been longer in.

Happened in ID, happened again with KR.

>>16270004
qrd?

>>16271000
>miracle
Hololive has a tight grip on the yt algorithm. It's not surprising.

>>16271041
Without proof, it's fake and gay.

>>16271067
You need something to start the clipping ecosystem in the first place.

>>16270946
>>16271000
Don't forget when a shitty korean newsblog thought Amelia Watson was a real detective after a korean shitposter said she was on the case investigating a medical student's murder. The roast of that newsblog went viral.
Yagoo must've sold his soul to some numbers devil.

>>16270965
Polls are up for less than a minute so it's not great data, but this is the highest I've seen.

>>16271106
It was already there a long time ago. Started with chinks mass clipping holo and flooding the yt algorithm. Koreans just picked it up from there.

>>16270778
25% engagement is reasonable if a little on the high side. Watching Hololive made me reflexively recoil though. Under 50% at a minute? Pffft

>>16271180
who's next? spics? ruskies? africans?

>>16271169
>>16270965
With the CCV

>>16271180
There are some Korean music clippers too and Gura was quite popular with them too. Her Galaxy Karaoke was on its way to a million last I checked.

>>16270313
Also noting that they still keep sub channels and officially inactive/retired channels on 2 separate lists at the bottom. The only sub-channel there is Nimu's, while the inactive ones are Kizuna AI, AI Games, Kiryu Coco, Kaguya Luna and Suzuhara Lulu.
It looks like they keep the channels that were in the top 50 when they retired listed even after they went below the current top 50.

>>16271169
One of his first streams on youtube he had about 33k viewers and got 30k votes. No screenshot sorry. Might be on his archived vod since I think he commented on high the engagement was.

>>16270538
But I don’t think Council is a huge flop. They’re reminiscent of JP5 who similarly didn’t come out with a lot of gusto at the start and proceeded to get thoroughly mogged when EN1 debuted. But JP5 ended up using that as fuel to climb their way up to respect, while I’m still waiting for Council to do the same thing.

>>16271297
Gen 5 had to do that because they had to deal with Aloe drama.

Council doesn't really have to deal with anything, so they do whatever they feel like doing.

>>16270946
I think it’s under appreciated how different what KR and JP bros find acceptable in a woman is. KR girls are way, way more aggressive though it’s more complicated than that. Kiara might actually appeal to KR more than JP or EN and language barrier might help her. Being hot/cold, yelling, getting aggressive even physical at times, these play into tropes that are common in KR media.

>>16271169
His debut buffs are over lmao

>>16271106
Wasn't the thing that started the Hololive KR fandom something absurd. Basically, ame being shitposted as an irl detective during a murder case that was then published by some KR news company?

>>16268624
>blantant numberfagging
Wtf i love him now

>>16271256
With Gura’s parrot ability she should do an around-the-world karaoke and sing popular songs in a bunch of different languages, would be interesting to see which ones gain traction.

>>16271297
They remind me of a Gen 2 without the motivation and lack of cohesion.

>>16269154
1 high profile artist
1 popular memelord
1 rapper with loads of experience creating her own songs
1 actual former idol

and then there's Ame lol.

>>16270778
Ludwig numbers are no different from the last time he streamed the same content. TimTheTatman was streaming during the fix and his numbers rose by 3.5% which is to say his viewers were not affected since he moves by 3-5% every 10 minutes often.

>>16271516
I mean, Gen 2 nowadays aren't exactly looking motivated either aside from Subaru.

>>16270555
They actually did their own research on the individual VTubers, and I guess they kept Parra even after userlocal removed him since they already approved him as a VTuber based on their own definitions.
Here's an older article of him reaching 1 million subs, they do one for every VTuber that reaches a million now.
(You can click on the links on names of each of the other VTubers on the table to see all of their own 1 million milestone articles):
https://p2y.jp/vtuber-parra-recorded-1-million-youtube-subscribers-at-the-first-mexican-talent-this-is-30th-in-vtuber/
I guess that's because he streams as a VTuber full time on Twitch, and posts his videos on YouTube with the same identity, even if the YouTube videos are 99% no face-cam and only shows his VTuber model a few times in the video for a few seconds.

Any reasons gura isn't a meta anymore

>>16271570
Hey, that's rude. Choco has always been a trooper even if Youtube doesn't like her that much.

>>16271228
25% is fine for someone that is whitelisted to appear in the live section immediately so everyone can navigate to it.

>>16271592
the engine that the gura deck used to be in the meta got banned

>>16270732
I guarantee you a HoloKR branch would spook the world with the numbers it would gets. Kiara doesn’t even speak a lick of Korean and usually streams at like 2-5 AM in Seoul, but still gets a ridiculous amount of Koreans in her chat.

>>16271245
Russians are already here.

>>16264034
mogged by a dead streamer

>>16271297
I can see that. The thing with gen5 though is that cover bent over backwards for them. They’re really cool people, all of them, but I think anyone can see just how much more effort cover has put into them to keep them afloat more than anyone. Those 4 girls get collab after collab, sponsor after sponsor, they’re practically mainstays on the official channel and appear in just about every event. You can definitely make a case that council (and EN as a whole) is limited in what they can achieve due to their inability to do the same thing, but they’re fucked by terrible management too it feels like.

They (EN) honestly achieve a lot given how little hololive has put any of them in the spotlight. I mean the fact that Ina’nis has done official artwork for them and has done artwork on 2 covers yet has received practically no attention for it is just mind boggling.

>>16271682
Why did she stop being a streamer again? Something something following her idol dreams etc.

>>16271682
Aqua-Sama!

>>16268316
Grats to Rikka and Mori. Great song.

>>16271510
Guras ability to sing beautifully while having zero grasp of a language is amazing. The comments on her karaoke clip are half KR bros complimenting her pronunciation. It’s generally excellent

>>16271682
how do they compare to other japanese artist or vtubers?

>>16271754
Ap*x broke her

>>16271538
in retrospect ina was a failed hire (at least that early, set a bad example for council since she had zero motivation), kiara couldve been better and ame's self-sabotaging is another bad example
its always hard to predict though, like mori's talent was there but who wouldve expected how she evolved and obviously no one expected gura to blow up as much as she did

>>16271682
>mogged
Most listened to song has 500 more plays than towa...

wow this thread is shit today, the first part of it has pako schizo desperate that surely pekora is finished and the second half has a nijikek basically going nijien=15mystas
we should get culled again honestly

>>16271886
Are we seriously saying Ina was a failed hire? She's the only one who was able to get a higher CCV than Gura in a one-on-one collab.

She's very consistent with her timeslot too and she was second to Gura in median CCV in the EN branch. She's has the highest CCV for an artist streamer.

Overall, I'd say she's the third best in Myth.

>>16271420
>19K CCV
>13K likes
>After telling everyone watching to like
Susan mogged...

>>16271297
Council's biggest problem is an extremely sparse and inconsistent stream schedule.
Myth and Irys have a pretty established time or two that they always stream at, Council often looks like they planned their schedule by throwing darts at a calendar.
If I have no clue if any of them are going to stream at a time I can watch each week I have no reason to care what they're doing

>>16268527
Since when did someone have the data of most hated Holo? or this KFP is deflecting LMAO

>>16269341
Karma

>>16270695
To this day, I'm still confused why Ame cancelled the Korean Duolingo stream. What a wasted opportunity, her Gooks audience was there on silver platters waiting just for her. Is she an idiot?

All this talk of who's the most hated made me want to ask.
Who's the least hated EN?

>>16272147
IRyS, easily

>>16269341

>>16272137
Who the fuck wants a gook audience?

>>16272157
Loads of indies hate her.

>>16272184
Nijikr

>>16272147
Ina

>>16272209
Ouch

>EN primetime
>Only Lamy is streaming
I gave Sana and Bae shit for overlapping during Gura's timeslot in their first few streams, but what the fuck is everyone doing today?
Surely it can't be that hard for 10 people to cover each other for a week right?
What is Council even doing to need so many breaks a week?

>>16271752
>Cover management
>putting effort
You make it sound like management does anything. Towa had to push management to hasten Nene's 3D model. Lamy had to use her own funds for her alcohol merch. Gen 5 takes any sponsorship they can get. Council has not shown any amount of effort like Gen 5 did. See how they are getting mogged by JP6 on just the number of streams. I don't want to hate Sana but she's kinda like that co-worker who gets by doing minimal work and the whole crew just see that and follows her example.

>>16271297
Outside of, maybe Rrat, Council doesn't have the motivation or work ethic to drag themselves out of the hole they've dug themselves into like Gen5 did.

>>16272184
Kiara?

>>16272137
I recall some Korean schizos got mad over a background she used that very vaguely resembled the rising sun.

>>16271000
Hololive is carried by its talent, especially its HoloEN branch. Plug the breaks a bit on Yagoo being a magical genius. Given how much Hololive gives so little fucks about its EN branch, they are probably oblivious to the phenomenon of Koreans gravitating to Kiara, and somebody else is gonna properly capilitalize on that market first. It took Coco fighting management tooth and nail to sell a HoloEN branch, and she’s not around anymore.

>>16271000
>>16271124
>it's like magic

>>16272436
>Hololive is carried by its talent
YOOO no shit bro

>>16270313
>https://p2y.jp/parra-recorded-the-largest-number-of-youtube-subscribers-in-male-vtuber-history/
Looks like they don't count Nux in their top 10 males list.

>>16272436
No one is calling Yagoo a genius, just miraculously lucky.

>>16272362
From the sound of it when they self finance they have more control and better cuts. The girls have enough money after a year or so to do almost anything want without Cover being the middle man. This is actually one of their biggest risks: the girls feeling like they aren’t getting value for the cuts Cover takes and splitting off.

>>16272436
>A talent agency is carried by its talent
Watch out everybody we have a genius in this thread!!!!

>>16272463
I will never doubt you again, Watamage.

>>16272378
>Council doesn't have the motivation or work ethic to drag themselves out of the hole they've dug themselves into like Gen5 did.

Gen 5 didn't slack off.

>>16272516
Kson was the experiment, if she's doing well, more girls would jump ship. But since her numbers are tanking without the Hololive boxpush, I honestly doubt they will leave Hololive.

It'd be as retarded as turning down being in HoloX to be in Sony's vtuber group.

>>16271352
True. Kiara is like a blueprint of gooks' female protag

>>16272147
>Who's the least hated EN?
IRyS by a comfortable margin.

>>16272592
Kiara finally getting her lucky break, huh.
If a story arc comes out for this, it will cement Hololive's popularity with KR.

>>16271777
compared to some long time vocaloid producers? not bad
compared to actual jap artists? well....

>>16272585
I kept hearing people larping about this but is this actually true or is this another rrat.

>>16272361
EN hate streaming

>>16271538
>and then there's Ame
She has la cratividad anon

>>16272361
There are 4 (four) EN streams scheduled for the next 23 hours. One of those is a superchat reading

>>16272147
Irys. Because she actually fits in to Hololive and socializes.

What have you fucks done to me? I felt so happy when the numbers came back and I now actively watch streams just to see the numbers. Can I be fixed or am I doomed to numberfaggotry for the rest of my life?

What happened to Sony's vtuber group anyway?

>>16272585
>Kson was the experiment
It's not a great experiment since she's one of the ones who relied the most on using the hololive brand and other hololive talent to bring in viewers rather than bringing in viewers herself.

>>16272709
Dead before it even started

>>16272516
even as shit as cover management is at times its better than no management and that eliminates like 90% of holos from cutting bait with them

>>16272655
Not him, but both of those things are plausible, but unlikely. So, yes...

>>16272707
Same here. It's chronic bro, just accept it.

>>16272026
Her CCV is so fake. The chat moves at a snail's pace. She does some fuckery like VPNs to Japan, her Mariokart flag is Japan, that's why her CCV is higher.

>>16271682

>>16272770
If so then whoever it was. Is it an absolute idiot

>>16272362
>I don't want to hate Sana but she's kinda like that co-worker who gets by doing minimal work and the whole crew just see that and follows her example.
No one wants to talk about Sana, but she's been a bigger disaster than anyone could've predicted in debut week.
In the past month, she has done 8 streams.

That's Kenmochi level, but at least his content isn't something that he can spam, whereas Sana is just doing generic game streams.
I don't even care that her numbers are shit, but at least stream something ffs.
Just reeks of laziness honestly.

>>16271592
Gura is still meta. The problem is she works for a company which hates that she’s the meta.

>>16272751
t. zhang

>>16272585
Ah but you understimate the real threat. Not something like 1 Myth leaving, but all of them, then immediately starting their own group.
Myth hard carried the EN brand (and still do) for 1 fucking year, while kneecapped by incompetent management and JP streamer limitations. Alone, they could be a force to be reckoned with, because they always were one without having to rely on JP collabs (unlike Coco).

>>16272709
Project Vee? Hasn't even started, probably got no one to sign up yet.

VERSEn? They're 2views for the most part, but they have a better track record than even some of the western startups. The biggest problem with all these VTuber project is that Sony doesn't get a hold of all of epople making these tax writeoffs and actually does something with them like pulling all resources together and shit.

>>16272026
shes fine as like a gen3 hire who just streams to her fanbase and nothing else but ask yourself who most embodies the "take it easy and chill" sentiment that council adopted, not to mention the actual council hire she was responsible for

>>16272751
Apparently she's already crawling back less than a year after leaving. So much for being a strong independent woman who don't need no Hololive

>>16272361
Can't tell you about the rest of em, but Mumei is having an extremely busy week outside of hololive involving college. She's had shit luck for the beginning of 2022, getting sick right when she had free time from school and now having to figure out how to fit her holo schedule around her class schedule. But after this week it should stabilize

>>16272851
Jeez, no wonder her subcount is still below Choco's 2nd channel after 4 months.
She's going to be surpassed by Mysta and Vox in subcount in no time.

>>16272700
kek, the one who actually fits in hololive is the one with the out-of-place design.

>>16272864
Without management watching over her, Gura would stream way less. Just look at her past life streams.

Calli would probably hang out with the Trash Taste crowd too much.

Kiara would bleed her viewers by collabing with outsiders

>>16272851
>Sana is just doing generic game streams.
There's absolutely no difference between Kuzuha and Sana as a streamer except that Kuzuha's avatar isn't a nigger.

>>16272917
>Apparently she's already crawling back less than a year after leaving
>KSON rejoining Hololive
Do you belieb?

>>16269929
compare their streamed hours to holoX

>>16272791
Why is Ina afraid of being outed as a leaf

>>16272700
>she actually fits in to Hololive and socializes.
Has Irys even done a 1 on 1 collab with a JP, despite being in Japan and being perfectly fluent?
We know JPs would rather make covers with IDs like Moona and Reine instead of her, which is super weird.

>>16273001
nah, it's just haachama pushing the boundaries with management

>>16272707
>>16272787
Man, you guys are fucking retarded. Just larp as industry analysts /here/ while you enjoy the streams.

>>16273001
Nah. Just trying to leech with collabs. Kson leeching off Kanata how the tides have turned.

>>16273028
With sora

>>16272988
Kuzuha streams literally every day, sometimes for 12 hours
If literally any of Council had that level of consistency they'd be doing far better

>>16272945
Doubt it, if Gura really wanted to not stream she wouldn't, the can't stop her from going to minimum shit. Sana is proof. So your rrat is outdated as fuck, I can tell you're not a Gura watcher.
Kiara would not bleed viewers for collabing with outsiders, she's very focused on vtubers and people always beg for her to do it. Besides, outsiders are necessary if you're gonna make a 5 man group only.
I'll give you Mori, but I won't give you that it'd be a bad thing for developing this hypothetical 5 man brand, her audience seem to slurp that trash taste shit up.

>>16272988
Except you know, the fact that Kuzuha usually has more streamed hours a month than Pekora does, while Sana goes MIA for a week and no one even notices.

>>16273028
she did cuphead with sora

>>16272362
>Towa had to push management to hasten Nene's 3D model
Source?
>Lamy had to use her own funds for her alcohol merch
Nigga holomem can always produce their own merchs if they bother to go through with it. Lammy WANTED a sake merchs for herself and holo provide the channel for her. Lamy has the most self produce merchs cause she can afford to handle all the troublesome shit that goes with it (but it's whort it since they got bigger cut)

>>16273028
She did karaoke with Nene and went out to dinner with Botan

>>16272864
You put Myth under Nijisanji and they all would tank.
People tend to forget this but we could directly compare Holo and Niji's management competence by how well Luna's career took off.

>>16272362
>I don't want to hate Sana but she's kinda like that co-worker who gets by doing minimal work and the whole crew just see that and follows her example.
Myth is also sabotaging Council because they gave them stupid advice like "take it easy"

>>16272436
>It took Coco fighting management tooth and nail to sell a HoloEN branch, and she’s not around anymore.
I've been hearing this but was that really a solid prove that she involved in the making of EN aside from those asacoco skits?

>>16272938
>She's going to be surpassed by Mysta and Vox in subcount in no time.
Ah, the shitpost would equal to council beating myth new year outfits number

>>16272936
That plus fucking the entire football team, don't forget.

>>16273195
Literally nothing else and she's said that she has no involvement with the creation of HoloEN.
People just credit her for the inception of the idea, which is retarded.

>>16272585
I've seen another take on this; if holomems are allowed to reconnect to Coco through collabs with Kson, they're less likely to leave Hololive because it means they aren't that restricted anymore and Cover benefits from the huge numbers Kson brings in whenever she collabs with them.

>>16273071
>Kuzuha streams literally every day, sometimes for 12 hours
his last stream was 9/1, his longest stream this month was 3hours

>>16273119
That Botan dinner is news to me. I know she also played Apex with Korone and Robocco. I thought the Nene karaoke could lead to an eventual offcollab but it's probably complicated to organize.

>>16273185
This. Treating it like streaming on twitch instead of putting in work just doesn't work.

>>16272516
Anon.. having a proper channel and an established brand is more important than you think. Do you think kson could just easily get the same sponsorship/partnership as when she was in holo?

>>16273195
Gura and Ane were selected based on Coco recommendation.

>>16272936
Why did Cover hire someone in college despite the fact Hololive in 2021 is clearly a full time job

>>16273077
>I can tell you're not a Gura watcher.
I literally only watch Gura.

>>16273225
That football team being me of course. Still shocked that she hasn't questioned why the football team consisted of one person and an assortment of mannequins with gear yet.

>>16273298
>Treating it like streaming on twitch instead of putting in work just doesn't work.
What are you even talking about?
Twitch streamers regularly stream everyday for 6-8 hours like a full time job, whereas Holos get tired and stop usually after 3-4 hours and take 2 day breaks a week because of those 4 hour streams.

>>16273195
None at all. He just wanted to make Holo management look worse than it is.
The fact is, while Holo's management ain't perfect, it's by far the best vtuber management there is and their track record speaks for itself. Anycolor's management is just inferior to them and Vshojo got exposed by how poorly they handled that doxxing fiasco they had months ago.

>>16272378
Council apparently came from that group of zoomers who were conditioned by """society""" to put the least effort in work "for the sake of Mental Health".

>>16273310
inb4 ASUS

>>16273298
The meta on Twitch is to stream for retardedly long hours and to stream everyday.

>>16273108
>Source?
That anon overstated the case. Towa just spoke up on Nene's behalf behind the scenes. Doesn't really mean she had any influence on it.
https://youtu.be/D8RIO1jdgAg

>>16271538
I think it's hard to replicate Myth's mentality. Sounds like some of them really needed a lucky break when they joined Hololive, and were pretty nervous about squandering it when they got bigger numbers than they expected.

>>16273387

>is another council timeloop
why eveyr day at the same hour?

>>16269506
>>16269522
Mysta had many collabs with Elira and Pomu in his past life.
>>16269973
Amazing how a post can be so wrong. All of those girls are great in their own right.

>>16273441
Don't know about them being the best, but hey they can't be worse than NijiKR management or even Kizuna's management

>>16273279
Kuzuha has lifted his foot off the pedal for the past month or so, but his stream hours in 2021 is more than Pekora's (by extension, most of Hololive) overall.
Comparing him to 8 streams a month Sana is an insult.

>>16273494
>All of those girls are great in their own right.
Talent-wise and performance-wise, they are all inferior to Sana.

>>16273494
>Amazing how a post can be so wrong. All of those girls are great in their own right.
Cope. They were always lackluster, and the new wave just showed it by easily reaching 10k ccv without an event.

Today's superchats

>>16272585
Kson still has top tier paypigs that push her to top 10 in SC revenue, except without having to give a cut to Cover. No one person in Hololive graduating can pose a threat to the brand, but say something like an entirety of Myth came together and agreed to graduate to form their own company or join Nijisanji, that would more than realistically be a threat to Cover’s bottom line. The issue with Kson is shes stranded on an island for collabs which wouldn’t be the case with Myth who has crafted a massive core fanbase that cares about Myth and only Myth.

>>16273494
Get ready for your precious girls to become Mysta and Vox's accessories.

Manjisanji, I kneel!

>>16273251
Imagine the seethe omega felt when all his work credited to coco. No wonder he put her on read when asked for collab kek

>>16265941
Mysta... I kneel...
It's been a good run Holobros. The era of the Manjisanji has come upon us

>>16271297
>climb their way up to respect
>mediocre numbers
>mediocre popularity
>all this despite Cover giving them far more attention than they did Myth
>still mogged hard by Myth in every way
Delusional last samurai

>>16273494
Look at this Selencuck

>>16273494
Quality is subjective but numbers aren't. I would've an easier time buying the quality argument if Mysta and even Vox didn't explode in popularity.

>>16273488
It's when the Flips wake up

>>16273350
Big subs as an indie and sounds like Gura according to the staff.

>>16273599
>join Nijisanji
Why would they join an inferior company? Your hypotheticals don't make any sense.

>>16273488
It's Hololive dead hours and people resent Council for not filling them, which I actually think is a completely reasonable complaint

>>16273488
It's a timeloop to say Council flopped.
It's not a timeloop to say Council is very flawed in composition if Cover didn't consider how the schedules of the talents would work out (how busy they are, how motivated they are), because the total number of Council streams in the past month have been fucking embarrassing.

I don't have the numbers counted yet, but I'm pretty sure that just 2 members of HoloX streamed more than all of Council.

>Looking at all discussions
We're back from CCVID indeed

>>16272209
Not really when they stream for jp and en depending on the member. At best twitch on kr

>>16273340

>>16273488
>Burger prime time
>SEAnigger wake up
>Spic .... uhm... idk their timezone.

>>16273703
>>16273690
How isnot a timeloop
is the same argument repeated everytime noting new is added or changed.

>>16273703
Council streams more than gen 5 yet when you call gen 5 failures a bunch of jpfags rush out of the woodwork to defend them

>>16272707
it's a fun side hobby on streams/chuubas i'm less invested in. for the ones I care about, I give fuck all of numbers, and only come back and do the numbers post mortem later

>>16273703

>but I'm pretty sure that just 2 members of HoloX streamed more than all of Council

Anon it was posted a lot of times in previous threads but HoloX had way more streams on their first month compared to Council. not hard to look up

>>16273599
Yeah, but not every Holo girl has the paypigs Kson has.

Also, part of the appeal of Myth is the character designs, and I really really doubt they can incline without it. Their designs are iconic now.

Calli's Grim Rapper schtick is kinda genius looking back at it.

>>16273680
That's great but it means nothing if she can't dedicate herself to the job. It's like hiring a surgeon who is studying 30 hours a week to be an engineer

>>16273703
>I'm pretty sure that just 2 members of HoloX streamed more than all of Council.
Along those lines, Lui has more English-language streams in the next 23 hours than 2/3 of HoloEN

>>16273599
>Myth came together and agreed to graduate to form their own company
>Myth came together
>Form their own company

>>16273127
Or we could compare Kuzuha, Mito, Kanae and other successful nijisanji and see how things are different. In Nijisanji you do well by your own abilities after getting in, same conditions as everyone else debuting.
Neither Hololive or Nijisanji management are responsible for their success outside of the basic things they give on debut

>>16273599
Myth can barely schedule collabs together, I don't think they have the capacity to even group up and consider leaving lol.

Yo only irys streaming today? Da fuck holo en?

>>16273835
Gen 5 is given a pass because of the Aloe fiasco.
Council has no excuse except their own laziness

>>16273850
IDK if you noticed but Cover's pretty laidback.

>>16273775
The thread usually doesn't have enough competent people to talk about anything productive when there isn't a stream to numberfag in real time, so various sorts of timeloops are brought up to fill in the time. I will admit that this timeloop made me realize just how absent Sana is.

>>16273948
Drama drives views and they should be way higher than they are, retard. They squandered the drama boost and ended up being the most forgettable gen ever

so is it the nigginiger or JP only schizo?
i dont rememebr who was the council schizo pre ccvid

>>16273545
Explain to me how talent-wise they are inferior to Sana.
>>16273564
Numbers aren't synonymous with quality. Numbers are just popularity.
>>16273659
Exactly. Not that I dislike them, but my favorites even between the boys are luca and ike and they get numbers similar to the girls.

>>16273939
Kronii 1 hour after Irys, but yes we are watching HoloEN once again waste a perfectly empty EN primetime timeslot with literally 0 streams.
Make fun of NijiEN's low numbers all you want, but at least those girls know how to do guerilla streams when there's dead hours.

>>16273939
I think they really should hire a bunch of no-lifers for EN3 to filled all these empty slot these lazy bitches left open

Have Edengumi frozen in time when it comes to subs? He is going to get beaten by Vox/Mysta at this rate.

Councilschizo and Gen5 schizo are fighting each other again.

>>16274039
>Explain to me how talent-wise they are inferior to Sana
Objectively, sana's numbers > theirs

>>16273703
mori wasnt a streamer, gura famously ghosted her fanbase for months at a time
there was no way to predict theyd all be this lazy

>>16274039
>Explain to me how talent-wise they are inferior to Sana.
None of them had a successful artist career?
>Numbers aren't synonymous with quality. Numbers are just popularity.
Cope. The males are overwhelmingly better than the NijiEN girls.

>>16274055
niji works that way
they reacha milestone and then suddenly stops.
I expect the same for mysta and voxx once they it 200k

>>16273892
unironically myth forming their own group will fail horribly

>>16273919
>In Nijisanji you do well by your own abilities after getting in
Except it's not tho and you would be lying if you say that clique culture that exist there. Just look at how Nijisanji handled Hima's career especially her singing one and compare it with Chima.

>Neither Hololive or Nijisanji management are responsible for their success
Branding is a thing and don't say that the management doesn't have a hand on it. Holo's branding is so strong that even people adjacent to them benefit from it.

>>16274106
I asked about talent. Number-wise she's superior, which is why i didnt ask. I want you to explain to me how talent wise she's superior.

>>16272945
Calli’s TT appearances have generally boosted her numbers despite the perspective here that they were disastrous. Gura’s genmates are workaholics that can keep her straight. Hololive is hardly responsible for any part of Myth’s success beyond having the good sense to hire them.

>>16273847
>but not every Holo girl has the paypigs Kson has

>>16273835
>Council streams more than gen 5

Wut? Stop lying anon.

December 2021 stream hours

Lamy : 113 stream hours
Botan : 76 stream hours
Nene : 44 stream hours
Polka : 68 stream hours

Sana : 60 stream hours
Kronii : 61 stream hours
Bae : 42 stream hours
Fauna : 37 stream hours
Mumei : 52 stream hours

>>16274175
Sana's PL is way more successful than any of NijiEN girl's PL. How's that for the talent argument?

>>16274176
They didn't have that kind of success without the Hololive label.

>>16273919
>by your own abilities
Then explain how that low number, barely stream dude could participate on their live concert if not for cliques?

>>16274039
>Explain to me how talent-wise they are inferior to Sana
Sana is a successful artist, bro. All the Niji females are trend chasers. Just ask Nina.

>>16274176
the only thing hololive is good for myth (and it is very very good for) is providing a structure and framework for the girls

>>16274010
That's not necessarily the case at all. The nature of the drama must be one that garners sympathy for you for that to even come, while the Aloe thing basically got all of the Gachikoi against Holo5. The other major aspect of drama buffs is timing, and getting that right is really hard. The worst thing about the whole ordeal was that, when they could have had the EOP/saivorfags to basically huddle to bring them up, HoloEN was dropped and basically dropped on top of them and that both killed the Aloe drama buff and the EOP buff for HoloJP.

>>16274196
>cherrypicking December when EN is at their busiest

>>16273919
luna debuted with the panda and sunflower in niji, who both inclined massively before manjisanji took over and sucked their growth away
of course holo luna is the failure of her gen, shes even far less popular than the holo who had a male yab directly after debuting

>>16274180
I want to take care this smelly orca

>>16274064
>implying they're not same person
I have news for you

>>16274163
It literally is. Much like in any agency you are given live2D, design and the like, after that you as a vtuber makes your own path. And for Himawari, that's not on Nijisanji but external companies who pick the most popular instead of by talent.
> Branding is a thing and don't say that the management doesn't have a hand on it. Holo's branding is so strong that even people adjacent to them benefit from it.
That's literally not how this works. What happened with hololive you know very well it wasn't planned. They only had a hand on it after chinks came in.

>the usual schizos are back
ah, /#/ has truly healed

>>16274234
AK was showcasing Sana’s character recently iirc
She got to draw a 6*

>>16274196
I think Council is dead in the water. They completely missed their opportunity to build up dedicated fanbases.

>>16274109
Mori was streaming at least once a month before Hololive

>>16273847
>has the paypigs Kson
>pwease subscraibu

>>16274311
I can't even take you seriously with "manjisanji took their popularity away". It's clear you don't watch nijisanji, same for this one:
>>16274232
I don't even know who you're refering to since you don't even know the name of the vtuber outside of low number.

>>16274039
Nta but sana is unironically a professional artist that gets hired by big name gacha game companies to make illustrations for advertisement purposes which puts her up there with one of the most impressive PL achievements including Ina, Gura, and IRyS

>>16274358
I miss CCVID and all the niked graphs

>>16274294
If they were any good it wouldn't have mattered, Myth stealing the attention just means Myth was that much better. All the last samurai coping won't change the fact that Myth absolutely demolishes gen 5 even while having zero support from Cover

>>16273835
>In the past month
>Nene: 21 streams
https://holo.poi.cat/vtuber/nene
>Lamy 44 streams (jfc)
https://holo.poi.cat/vtuber/lamy
>Polka: 26 streams
https://holo.poi.cat/vtuber/polka
>Botan: 24 streams
https://holo.poi.cat/vtuber/botan

Total: 115

>Mumei: 19 streams
https://holo.poi.cat/vtuber/Mumei
>Sana: 8 streams
https://holo.poi.cat/vtuber/sana
>Bae : 27 streams
https://holo.poi.cat/vtuber/hakos
>Kronii: 14 streams
https://holo.poi.cat/vtuber/ouro
>Fauna: 14 streams
https://holo.poi.cat/vtuber/ceres

Total:82

I'm just going to put aside how retarded it is to compare 5 people with 4 people, but even then, Gen 5 streamed more than Council in the past month by a wide margin, retard.

>>16274327
If all it takes for an agency to be successful is stumbling into big numbers then explain Activ8

>>16274327
>What happened with hololive you know very well it wasn't planned
Lmao c'mon dude. Hololive revived Luna's career. Stole ID and EN's market from Nijisanji. Add CN to that too. Now, even the JP market is slowly being dominated by Cover.

>>16274114
>>16274202
You're aware talents are more than just drawing right? Literally all of them speak many languages, have talents in singing, mixing, drawing, editing, and other types and ways to compose one.

>>16274234
Being able to draw does not make Sana a good streamer. She doesn't even do drawing streams in the first place.

>>16274259
Anon, that is literally the most important thing for any major corporate business. Only the most absolute of individualists and incompetents would make this kind of argument.

>>16272137
Oh I can answer this question
Some Korean sent her an SC about duolingo being relatively shit at teaching korean so she cancelled the plan

>>16274477
Of course not. Whether she's the better streamer or not is up for debate. But it's unquestionable that Sana performed better than all of the NijiEN girls as of now.

>>16274309
The comparison between gen 5 and council does not look better for Council if you stretch to only the months Council has been active.
It actually makes them look worse since Gen 5 has been slowing down recently.

>>16274451
>retard ignoring the context that Dec is a break month in the Anglosphere

>>16274467
>>16274456
I didn't say they weren't competent to reign on it. I'm saying that before 2020 they didnt plan any of that and there's a reason their growth was completely different before that.
What I get from this thread is that nijisanji is trash, which is normal, and hololive should be praised, which is guess it makes sense since this is in the end a holo thread. It's just a fanboy war with no nuance.

>>16274434
In respect to the numbers thread only? I honestly miss it too. Tracking CCVID in real time, making rough guesses at how it worked, seeing what "stage" a chuuba was at. It felt engaging. Guess I'll have to look forward to the next event for something interesting, probably Pekora's birthday stream

>>16274469
Anon... sana's an industry professional, literally top of her field, unless the nijigirls' PL are camellia or nhato tier in music production, polyglot tier, nam*rin or amalee tier in anime singing, or sana and ina professional artist tier, then they don't have a case in being "more talented"

>>16274592
Firstly, >>16274591
Secondly, funny how NijiEN girls/Vshojo girls/twitch streamers all missed the memo that they were supposed to slack off in December despite all being in the Anglosphere.

>>16274592
Most content creators actually massively increase their output in December, because it's the most profitable month of the year for ads and donations by a huge margin

>>16273350
This. Mori was working 2 other jobs when she first joined Hololive, but quit everything else once it became apparent that she could make more than enough money as a vtuber. I wonder if COVER’s contracts with Council are much different than than their contracts with Myth. Myth probably has a far more commission based income that allows them to keep way more of the revenue they directly earn while Council has contracts provide a steady but good income that simply requires they fulfill some minimal requirement of streaming.

>>16274642
Which is why I said that talents are different. You can be talented and not be in the field. Enna is extremely good in singing in her PL but her not being successful with it doesn't erase the ability. That's the point I'm saying. You are only looking at success, not at the abilities and the comparison between each of them in their respective fields.

>>16274612
>What I get from this thread is that nijisanji is trash, which is normal, and hololive should be praised
Of course not. People here are all saying that Holo's management is bad. I'm saying Nijisanji is way worse given their track record. All of Niji's foreign expansions were all failures with the exception of VirtuaReal but that's different because it's handled by chinks.

>>16274592
Remember when these threads predicted Luxiem was going to flop because they were debuting in December, when people are going to be busy with the holidays?
How did that turn out again? Holiday debuff isn't a thing afterall?

>>16274781
3 out of 2 awful tough

>>16273350
Might be long term investment pick.
If I recall, the rrat is that she's in her last year of college right? So only 4 or so months to go.

>>16274781
Three of those are confirmed failures. Just wait for the debut buffs to wear off before we pass full judgement.

>>16274553
Kronii taking advice from her chat can be a blessing or cursing

>>16274688
This is true nov-dec is the best month since ads pay more since advertisers spends more money this month while January is usually the dead month for content creator.

>>16274745
>Enna is extremely good in singing in her PL
That's just your bias kicking in. What are her accomplishments in that department again?

>>16274745
Fair enough, I just don't like people undermining sana's skills since that's the only thing going for her

>>16274808
>3 out of 2
Anon...