/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

not as bad as cap and prism project lol

>>16254974
Mostly lack of marketing, which is something that is getting fixed soon.

>>16255765
ORDER YOUR GUNPLA WITH CHARS AFFILIATE LINK
https://shop.hlj.com/hoshinochar

Males. There's literally no reason for a small corpo to have them. Every successful small corpo girl does GFE, yet Tsunderia thought that guys was a good choice.

>>16255820
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9WdFhkWcKA

>>16254974
They need to make videos/shorts. I watch other streamers and I can't be asked to sit down and watch their vtubers for 4 hours but I don't mind watching some of Kallin's videos. The problem with Kallins videos is that her titles and thumbnails suck ass and her videos aren't always focused. If management created this thread tell them to watch what Ludwig or smallant does and have their members create videos live on air.

>>16254974
They dont stream consistently

>>16255962
Or just have a shared editor that puts highlights together and uploads them to YouTube. Anything is better than a 4 hour long VOD.

>>16254974
They're working on it

False advertisement since they're not all tsunderes.

>>16254974
Their two best streamers dipped on them. One to join another more successful company and another to...I actually don't know why she left or what she's doing with her career but it's something.

>>16254974
They have the worst luck of any start up.
>Their top talent throws a menhera fit and goes indie right when they are at the apex of their growth.
>Their second best talent bled them for all their are worth before ditching them
>The rest of their talents suffer from issues that prevent them from streaming, typically when they'd be in the perfect position to grow
It's like they pissed off an angry god or something.

>>16256243
>Kana
>Ria
>Two best streamers
They were both pretty boring

>>16256358
Those aren't mutually exclusive statements.

>>16256358
If they're boring then I'm afraid to see what the rest of Tsunderia is like.

>>16256347
>>Their top talent throws a menhera fit and goes indie right when they are at the apex of their growth.
You forgot the second menhera fit after going indie where she ditched youtube for twitch without announcement.

>>16257604
I've only watched Amiya but she's very entertaining

>>16254974
Extremely awful luck, that's it really, it honestly feels like the world is out to get them because, holy hell are they unlucky, theirost popular member left them out of nowhere and their other big member, who they invested quite a bit on, ditched them after she got accepted in a bigger corp, several of their members stream sporadically and are/were constantly taking breaks foe ome reason or another and one of them has atrotious luck and is only alive and going by some miracle or something, their previous gen flopped incredibly with one having a very unnapealing model and the other girl being very antisocial and inconsistent with her schedule and their newest gen hasn't had much look either and continue being overlooked by viewers and other indies.
And the list goes on, it's honestly amazing to see them still going after all the shit they been through ngl.

>>16259294
It's honestly extremely lucky for Purin to have survived the last typhoon, she lost her house to it

>>16256074
Its a good idea, they could go for clippers, I know Project Kawaii only because clips keep appearing in my reccomendations

>>16254974
>shoutouts from big vtubers like mori
??

>>16259294
During one of their Q&A before gen 2 I believe, they said they weren't the red, which was mindblowing to me. Their resilience is amazing

>>16257604
Seems like you have something against the company writing off everyone else while not watching them to determine how entertaining they'd be or not.

>>16264005
I'm pretty sure Yuuna and Miori have oil barons that are keeping the company afloat right now

>>16254974
because theyre bad, probably

>>16263858
Pretty sure that she retweeted Mio's sad piano cover of Red. Also Ollie has tweeted about Tsunderia on a few occasions, as well as being part of a big VTuber chorus along with Mio

>>16264005
I genuinely don't believe it unless they managed to luck out and turn a profit solely on Kana before sh dipped. Look at any of the girls revenue on Playboard and take into account how much their character design, models, rigging, and copyrights all cost in the mid to high thousands. That, on top of all the other non-art related costs definitely don't add up even with the couple of sponsors they did, considering their small size.

Amiya is great and I wish more people would give her a chance.

>>16257851
>>16265568
Based spider enjoyers

>>16254974
Extremely hit or miss talent. Probably need to drop at least half so the others can interact freely with each other and boost one another instead of bleed each other. Where it is now the decent ones dip the second they can get a better offer with more secure talent to work with and I don't blame them. They seem to hire who they like rather than who they like a little less maybe but will make them big money.

>>16254974
Small companies doing poorly is the default state of things. You don’t fail by being unlucky, you succeed by being lucky.

>>16265147
Well, miori is connected to some (now) big vtubers, but that doesnt mean its an endorsement for tsunderia

Isn't this by far the most /here/ corpo, as well?

>>16265395
While I'm sure they did turn a nice profit on Kana in her brief time there, I think you're underestimating their total current revenue. Playboard only tracks Superchats. There are still YT memberships, Streamlabs donations (which takes out much less in fees), Twitch subs and bits, not to mention merchandise revenue and ads from VODS (that won't be very much, but across 14 chuubas, it can add up). I believe they've turned a nice profit as an agency with all those revenue streams
>>16266063
https://twitter.com/kureijiollie/status/1457376836875284489?s=20v
>>16266118
Tie between Cyberlive and Phase Connect. Hylo from Cyber has self-posted quite a bit, and Lumi was part of the divegrass commentary last year. PC was caught self-shilling shortly after debut and pandering to the /here/ audience, as well as the kiwis

>>16265946
They're not doing poorly

>>16266118
Maybe not the most anymore with how blatantly some of the others outright pander to this place, but probably still up there

>>16266903
tsunderia is the most /here/ as in actually keeping to the culture. the others are reddit cringe were they blatantly pander.

>>16256243
Kana would have only been a net negative to them, she's an ego tripper of the highest degree. Literally tried to force them to fire one of their founding members because he hurt her feelings by telling her to be better

>>16266246
Pc was never caught self shilling. There was actually never any proof.

>>16268390
Who are you talking about?

>>16254974
They haven't hired Furuya Mari yet even though their boss claims to like her
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5RFNbsbUVG3ICIwHYuTYbg

I just came here to saviourfag by suggesting Tsunderia learn Spanish and/or Japanese in order to expand its market reach.

>>16268787
Any company dumb enough to hire her with her background would deserve the inevitable implosion

>>16265568
When she gets a redesign or a different artist, let me know, maybe then.

>>16268669
>>5517530
>analytics option
You were saying?

>>16268787
why would they hire someone with that much baggage?

>>16269071
>>16269160
>

>>16269257
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here

>>16268669
the one which had a chuuba that visited the /vt/ minecraft server on stream and has board meetings regarding sneed?

>>16269307
maybe it's mostly just one member?

>>16269294
Mari's purpose is to be gaybait for Char and stick her nose in places that don't want her voice changer around. Speaks for itself really.

>>16269257
Everyone knows Char has garbage friends. Bio-P is smart enough to not trust her on things, though he probably should have trusted her on Kana

>>16254974
They haven't shown off Hanabi's nonexistent boy titties...

>>16269530
It's well known at this point that Char has pretty terrible taste in vtuber friends

>>16269774
I want to manhandle Hanabi

>>16269257
again, any company dumb enough to hire her deserves 100% of the backlash

>>16269743
>>16269257
In the AMAs char said she loves "supporting the underdog"
LGBTs and menheras are underdogs by default

>>16256153
>strongly alignated with western values
why isn't 4chan shitting on them more

>>16275725
Few can resist the charms of this woman.

>>16269743
does Bio-P has twitter or anything?

I don't see how people like the slug's voice, the smacking is off putting.

>>16266063
Another big endorsement
https://twitter.com/FinanaRyugu/status/1481103129500438530

>>16254974
So many reasons that have been pointed out for months.
>Had themselves branded as a group instead of a company
>No website for a year
>Bad gen 1 marketing even with Kana/Char/Purin groundwork
>Bad Gen 1 model and design
>Reputation ruined for a while with graduations
>Silence for months (no big announcements, auditions, etc)
>New agencies pop up
>Finally a chance to grow... and they release the WORST small corp gen to date. A two member, ugly model gen where one is filtering and the other barely streams.
>That generation also got awful marketing and was announced a month out and still flopped on arrival numbers-wise
>Silence again
>New wave... 5 members
>Still bad marketing and this time they added males
>Stagnate further

>>16269157
Sakana himself posted a tweet of his account with the analytics icon on it before deleting it in a minute after realizing it was a mistake.

>>16282487
Curious, how did they marketted their last gen?
I still can't believe the higher ups in tsunderia gave an ok for that gen 2

>>16280341
With how common the smacking seems to be, it seems intentional. I've heard people smack their lips once or twice but not as much as the slug.

>>16283795
>higher ups
Tsunderia staff is one CEO out of his depth and two VTubers that are trying their best. The whole thing started as PPP's pet project, but Kana hit the algorithm lottery too early. He didn't have the resources to run an actual company back then, so he scrounged up what he could for staff and played it by ear. Compare that to the other startups that were founded by successful businessmen that have sold companies/crypto for millions and it makes sense that Tsunderia's business practices don't measure up.
At least they have a good eye for talent because their VTubers are among the most talented in the industry, even though most of them were completely unknown or had zero streaming experience beforehand. They've taken risks with a few of their selections, but it's paid off in terms of quality content. I firmly believe if they hired someone with experience in advertising and marketing, specifically in the YouTube sphere, they could pull Nijisanji numbers because their talent is easily on par with Niji

>>16284458
Sorry but Tsunderia's talents pale in comparison to the ones found in the other corpos. I tried watching them and only Miori, Yuuna, Orla and Amiya are the better talents they have but to be compared with Niji? Nah half of them just dont have the chops to be there despite streaming for such a long time already.

>>16284952
>not including lisa
amiya and lisa are top tier in their new gen but everyone of their other talents suck, especially the dudes. They're basically 2view males that you can find on twitch right now

>>16285009
I like Amiya and Lisa but they are comparable to other small corpos. Nen and the other boys suck, Orla sucks, Hanabi barely streams and is mediorce at best. TsunQuest is great but everyone after is nothing special compared to the other small corpos.

>>16275725
The problem is much, much worse for them /here/ than not being shit on. Does anyone in 4chan even care about them beyond talking about them in passing?

>>16286609
the only successful vtuber in these small companies is Emma from cyberlive even tho she sounds like a fucking SEA frog...

>>16286777
Among all the new gens that debuted recently yes, but Nene and Miori are the ones standing out the most right now. Nene in particular has been on a massive incline lately. I'd say Shiki too but her view numbers are slightly lower.

>>16286777
You mean

Kaneko Lumi
Oumiya Emma
Miori Celeste
Yuuna
Amano Nene
Miyoshino Shiki
Araki Luto
Tenma Maemi

>>16287081
>Kaneko Lumi
twitchwhore
>Oumiya Emma
SEAfrog that got SEA fans for Cyberlive
>Miori Celeste
Menhere korean girl that will quit cause her asian family wants her to become a doctor
>Yuuna
bread
>Amano Nene
sounds like fucking nyanners but at least she's good at asmr
>Miyoshino Shiki
only popular for her song covers, otherwise her viewership is laughable
>Tenma Maemi
WH0

>>16287179
Why are you even in this thread?

>>16286609
>I like Amiya and Lisa but they are comparable to other small corpos
For people that enjoy retro games, no, Amiya isn't comparable not only to other small corpos, but big corpos as well. Not only that, but she seems to have a preference towards SEGA games as well which is even more niche. I cannot find someone like her in the rest of Tsunderia, nor Kawaii, not in PRISM, not in Hololive EN, nor Nijisanji EN.

Meruru and Pomu are my top two, but in this little amount of time Amiya has easily been the best that I've seen so far of all the recent new waves that I've seen so far across all big and small corpos.

>>16266118
Might aswell start listing who isn't /here/, it's quicker

>>16288264
I meant on streaming engagement and ability. She is decent to good depending on the stream, but every corpo has at least some good streamers.

>>16256153
Never thought I'd see a virtual avatar make a SWOT-Analysis of their own company. This is kinda endearing and cute. The future is now.

Have you consider youtube retardation into the equation ?

>>16256153
>Strenghts
>Strongly alignated with western values
NGMI

>>16290747
she's management. they just gave her an avatar and persona so she can discuss management stuff from time to time in stream

>>16290965
She was a VTuber on Twitch before she was with Tsunderia

>>16254974
They aren't Hololive. That's the only reason.

>>16291062
Tell that to Vshojo.

>>16291223
Honestly a lot of them can have a larger audience if they prioritized Twitch over YouTube. If you look at the vtubers that aren't in Hololive and are growing on YouTube they either got featured on a big Hololive clipping channel or they have been pumping out shorts. Not even clipping Niji EN will net a lot for Niji's, hence why you even see Nina and now Pomu making more consistent shorts now. Not all vtubers are full time, and it can be asking a lot from them expecting to make 5~7 shorts a week along with their streaming, behind the scenes work, and real life obligations.

Which organizations have any growth right now?

>>16291604
Cyberlive, Kawaii, Phase
Prism is kind of in a similar spot with tsunderia but not really as bad

>>16291604
Currently? Cyberlive and Kawaii and Phase Connect are growing at a decent pace though Cyberlive is still struggling with most of their girls and Phase Connect might as well graduate their JP-only girls as they get like 20 viewers at most.

Prism was doing well months ago but their new gen turned out to be a complete trainwreck with one of them already announcing graduation and Non barely streaming due to being homeless and alienating most traditional vtuber viewers.

Tsunderia is on the decline because Miori is going on hiatus and was carrying the company on her back.

>>16291977
Phase has only been active for about half a year. Their numbers easily go to threes even for the jp girls on twitch.

>>16288069
no better than both of us being on this board discussing a failed company filled with menheras

>>16292069
Do the jp girls stream on Twitch? I only know Tenma does and she doesn't count since she speaks English.

>>16291977
That's a weird hiatus

>>16291977
>one of them already announcing graduation
Any rrats? Why would so quit so soon?

>>16292109
It's less of a hiatus and more of irregular streaming because of school, but she wasn't streaming much for awhile

>>16292111
Probably school, she's definitely underage or close to it. She may have been doing vtubing while doing remote learning but if she's American a lot of schools in the lower IQ states are forcing students to go back so she can't stream Minecraft at 4am anymore.

>>16292109
Around mid-December she had a drunk stream where she cried about how her parents are forcing her to stop vtubing to go to med school because her grades are tanking and she can't manage vtubing and school at the same time. She's probably still on winter break but said she'll pretty much stop streaming regularly for at least a year to fix her grades. She might still stream rarely but it won't be as often.

>>16292111
Going back to their past life

>>16292203
I remember the drunk stream, but wasn't there one more recently where she said that she talked them down to being more lenient? I don't remember the details, but I could swear that the main point was that she'd still be making content regularly after the spring semester

>>16292281
Maybe but if her grades are really suffering then it's not a matter of her parents but that she just can't juggle both. She really should stream less to focus on school but can make up for it with shorts and stuff so she isn't forgotten by the algorithm.

By the way I just saw this, if Prism loses Luto they're really done for.

>>16254974
Being a relatively new EN streamer in Youtube is always a bad idea when you don't have the fanbase or joined big corpo like Niji or Holo to back it up. The algo in Youtube prioritizes successful streamers so good luck getting noticed.

They're an awful company with bad management that drove away two of their best talents, they're getting what they deserve.

>>16292404
Go to sleep, kanner. You've got a stream tonight

>>16292203
She's 20

>>16292203
It's med school not high school

>>16292111
She unlocked her PL account almost right after the announcement went out. Prism is a black company.

>>16293029
A black company wouldn't allow her to quit 2 months in.

>>16293161
That's true. It's more like she didn't realize what sort of responsibilities she would be saddled with when entering a corpo and she had to experience it to know it wasn't for her.

>>16293029
If Prism was a black company slugma wouldn't be friends with their management. In fact she's friends with all the EN corpo managers except Cyberlive because of Hylo's debut yab.

>>16293326
>black company manager wouldn't like black companies

>>16291977
qrd on non

>>16293766
>Most of her streams are 5 hour long tangents on her degenerate sexual fetishes. She went on like a 30 minute rant about watching animals fucking that transitioned into talking about Mr. Hands and bestiality stuff for example.
>She constantly does gross stuff like burping on stream and talking about her farts. She even did a guerilla stream playing a hentai game while constipated saying she was streaming until she could take a shit.
>She also imposes her degeneracy onto the other members of Prism like saying she wants to get them pregnant or wants to draw their feet etc.

Basically she's great but she filters the usual vtuber demographic hard.

>>16293889
they don't deserve her

>>16293889
I'm sold, subbed.

Why is VShojo the only non-JP VTubing company that's super successful? /vt/ told me being a whore never works? wtf

>>16294019
>/vt/ told me being a whore never works?
No one said that

>>16294019
VShojo isn't a company it's a cooperative of already successful streamers. It's not really comparable when Nyanners has been active for like 10+ years compared to these smaller companies that all have been around for less than a year. The other VShojos have also all been around for a very long time. Even Hime Hajime who is a meme shitpost character that never streams and only exists to mock VShojo's fanbase is very successful on her other account.

>>16269157
this is easily done with inspect element.
Look I manage hololive twitter

>>16294124
>VShojo isn't a company
It's literally a company.

>>16291977
Prism really shat out gen 4 way too fast even though I greatly like Sara. The company legit didn't have the growth to split its own viewerbase even further.

>>16294393
Prism is fucking cursed, and their dogshit management doesn't help

>>16290798
Susan favors big numbers, after all.

>>16294124
That still says a lot when their streamers literally almost double their views the moment they join. I did some reps on their top 3 talent how these guys became the face of twitch vtubing, Veibae was slowly climbing up to 2.8k avg views per stream then she got 5k when she joined VShojo in April 2021. Meanwhile Nyanners and Ironmouse were struggling in their early VTubing careers but exploded when they founded VShojo.

>>16294467
I hate Susan so fucking much, why couldn't we go back to the late 2000s Youtube where people did it for hobby/fun

Kana left and any momentum that they had going imploded. Another member graduated and that may as well as just been the point where the company folded. As OP said, they may as well have NEGATIVE momentum now.

>>16254974
>Why the FUCK they have something like almost negative growth? They shouldn't do this bad yet they do
Thats what happens when they screw over their top talents and throw them under the bus
Not even going to bother spoonfeeding you since you seem like a shill and you already know what happened. If you genuinely do not then go do your reps about the 2 graduates.

>>16294499
That's just the benefit of having a brand to unify your fanbases and collaborate with eachother.
Maybe the lesson from VShojo's success is vtubers should stop reincarnating all the time and companies should hire established indies instead of forcing them to reincarnate. In fact this was already proven with Nijisanji hiring Kuzuha. He was one of their only talents to join Nijisanji while keeping his indie identity and fanbase and it benefitted them immensely.

>>16294535
Smart girl, Twitch has greener pastures than Youtube when it comes to an EN audience.

>>16294589
>Maybe the lesson from VShojo's success is vtubers should stop reincarnating all the time and companies should hire established indies instead of forcing them to reincarnate.
How would they keep them in check if they didn't have the rights to their models that they can pull at any moment whenever they get uppity? Imagine Coco leaving Hololive with her model.

I love Purin but why is she so goddamn unlucky.

>>16294761
So what? If it was her model to begin with and we already know these companies make them pay for all alt outfits and other stream assets then they should be entitled to keep them after leaving the company. The same happened with Kana, she joined Tsunderia with her own model and left with it, they didn't lose anything.

>>16294499
>Meanwhile Nyanners and Ironmouse were struggling in their early VTubing careers but exploded when they founded VShojo.
Nyanners debuted in July 2020, immediately tripled her CCV, and then VShojo was founded in November 2020. There's not much of an "early VTubing career" to speak of there. Ironmouse started growing in early 2020 and the founding of VShojo isn't even visible on her growth graphs.

>>16294826
what happened?

>>16294841
It might work for small companies with 100view chuubas but big companies want to keep their talents on a tight leash so that they can't just decide to group up and leave if they get sick of management.

>>16294935
She was born Filipino.
Oh and also the Typhoon that hit her region.

>>16294970
It did work for Nijisanji and Hololive hiring Kuzuha and Suisei respectively, though they sold the rights to their models.
But yes my point was that small companies should be picking up established indies rather than paying the startup costs of an entire new gen. It's cheaper and safer as you already know what their baseline viewership is. If you hire someone who averages 300 viewers or something then those 300 viewers will be absorbed into your company and possibly spread to the other talents when she's not streaming. Repeat this enough times and you'll build a successful company with stable 3 digit CCV that mogs all the other corpos while spending less money.

>>16294924
Fair, but they were still growing under Vshojo, that's still something. Man I need to do my reps better.

>>16294393
Did it split the user base? I could have drawn in new people with the new wave as well.

>>16294577
You'll need to provide something convincing since what I see from Tsunderia is supporting their talents like getting them hardware when it fries out, getting them on the path of mental help, or help one that has been greatly affected by a typhoon.

>>16295213
Gen 4's numbers are kinda pathetic. They hardly drew in any new viewers at all. I guess the same goes for pretty much every new talent that's debuted except for Emma.

>>16295670
What's even the point of introducing new gens if it'll just divide the numbers and fanbase even further?

>>16296329
It's the Nijisanji method

>>16296481
Worked for the first two waves. Not so much for wave three. Then they threw something different for wave four and was very successful. In general people are more willing to watch debuts so drawing crowds of people is an opportunity to bring in new people. After that people trickle in unless you get very lucky with the algorithm. On a good month you might gain 1~5 viewers.

>>16280341
I figured it was because she has braces.

>>16280341
I want her to give me sloppy kisses

>>16254974
Stopped watching when they debuted homosexuals and trannies. They should have stuck with cute anime girls.

>>16299415
>Trannies
Nen is a tomboy in denial, please understand

>>16295670
Because they went all in on music. The gamble is that one hit would incline the entire company.

>>16280341
I want her to smack my dick with her lips

>>16255874
she wants to be raped

>>16295264
Orla was just talking about how Urara hunted down a cheap PS2 for her so she could play games on original hardware instead of emulating and even made the seller show a video of it turning on and playing a game to prove it worked. That's a lot of extra work that Orla didn't have to do.

>>16299415
What do you expect from western values. It's the reddest of flags.

>>16299415
Californian company

>>16291977
Cyberlive and Phase Connect are both doing incredibly well for corpos that started like 6 months ago. Cyberlive has Lumi who's getting raids from big streamers now hitting 1k CCV on twitch and Emma who seems to have enamored the SEA market. Not to mention Menace and Inori who got noticed by the algorithm and are growing. They seem to be the most twitch heavy corpo which breaks away from the Hololive model and so they're doing incredibly well despite being the youngest corpo here. Their speed of growth is matching and beating the other corpos despite being around for a shorter time.

Phase has Uruka, Tenma, Lia and Pippa carrying and doing incredibly well. They all get three digits and seems to have gathered difference audiences from youtube ads thanks to Sakana advertising them. Overall they lack more conventional singing GFE type vtubers but for the hyperfocused niche talents they currently have they're doing outstanding work due to the amount of money Sakana's pumping in. Phase gen 2 is will the one to watch for because once they get their own generalist charismatic mass appeal vtuber like Miori/Nene/Lumi they're gonna shoot up fast.

Kawaii is mostly carried by Nene, it doesnt seem like her viewers are spreading that well towards the company but Nene's a superstar that works insanely hard and doing incredibly well even on youtube alone.

Prism has Luto carrying them but since she's an extrovert who's only doing vtubing to talk to people, she might stream a lot less now which should be worrying for them. Shiki failed to gather a high CCV due to her health issues and inconsistent stream times despite catching the eye of the algorithm early. They have Sumi graduate super early because she's only getting similar numbers as her past life except with prism management being hard on her. Prism needs to fix their management problem because they're strangling their talents and it seems half of them have given up in trying harder because they dont want to be bonked by management.

>>16291977
>Tsunderia is on the decline because Miori is going on hiatus and was carrying the company on her back
You are behind, she has at least another year now.

>>16300192
Phase’s Pippa hits 200~350 consistently on both Youtube and Twitch. Lia is 100~400 based on the game she plays. Uruka brings in 300 consistently on any music stream she does. Tenma averages 400 ccv on twitch, with raids she has hit 6k ccv on twitch. All of these are overlapping each other too.

>>16301122
Yeah, phase is doing incredibly well and their talents are really not doing anything different compared to any other companies. The main differentiator is Tenma becoming friends with OTV and Sakana running a ton of youtube ads. This again shows how important it is to buy advertisement in order to succeed.

>>16254974
Which vtuber from Tsunderia got a shoutout from Moro? Or was it just the entire company?

>>16301388
who?

They need clippers and shorts, or make dedicated clip channel

>>16301936
You need shorts/clips on their channels, not on clip channels. It is something management might have to do but that can be a lot of work doing it across so many people to pump out 5+ shorts a week across them all. I know Kawaii is pushing everyone to do frequent shorts seeing Nene's success with them. Miori is gaining more traction due to her shorts. Most people do this on the side with a main job they go to.

>>16301388
If you mean Mori, it was her replying to Miori's cover of her song
https://twitter.com/mioricelesta/status/1445103484114767881

>>16255874
Sex with my wife Miori!!!!

>>16295097
that doesn't really mean much, Saruei gets 4k average CCV and that's more than half the vshojos, that seems more a function of their past life's popularity than any power of the brand. It's not like, say, hime or zen is pulling ten times her old numbers after joining up.

Miori will be the Death of Tsunderia

>>16305281
Miori will be the death of me

>>16294761
>How would they keep them in check if they didn't have the rights to their models that they can pull at any moment whenever they get uppity?
a proper contract like every other talent agency, vtubers didn't invent the idea of a talent agency for streamers.

>>16305281
>Miori will be the Death of Tsunderia
If she retires? Nah, Tsunderia has been in that spot before, twice. They'll make it out

>>16286665
/vsinger/ cares about miori's song releases and karaokes... that's about it, rest are just passing mentions.

I love this bread

>>16286665
/tsun/ exists and it does about as well as the other small agency generals

>>16294841
Kana did not "join" Tsunderia. She was always in Tsunderia as their founding member, but she didn't reveal it until her birthday stream. I imagine she was allowed to leave with her assets because PPP had to give her a sweet contract to get her to take a chance on him at the very start

>>16295083
>Kuzuha and Suisei respectively, though they sold the rights to their models.
i don't know about Kuzuha but Suisei is not listed in Cover's public IPs. According to japanese law you can't give the rights to any OC unless stated beforehand.
the model she has now though, it probably belongs to Cover

>>16300192
At least with prism it seems like it's improving with Yura going from trashing to praising it. Also they never watch non apparently cuz she breaks the rules all the time

>>16257775
And the third menhera fit over Nachoneko refusing to work with her anymore, so she got someone else do to a new model

>>16309654
why did nachoneko stop working with her?

>>16293889
I will now watch your slob.

>>16310279
nacho's a clout chaser (ie: look at her trying to get gura's attention after she became a vtuber)

After Gura became big, Nacho's too busy to work on new outfits or costumes for anyone else so Kana's gotten someone who can give her new outfits regularly which is a good thing.

>>16310557
Eat shit, Nacho only works with companies so after Kana tsunderia fuck did you expect

Also there's no confirmation that henreader is going to pop out outfits for Kana on a regular basis so take your meds

Do you guys think the rebranding thing Urara is doing will change anything? It is good that she trying to improve things considering gens 2 and 3 haven't gotten much traction but I don't know how much a logo change will help.

>>16312150
I would HOPE the rebrand process is going to also include a marketing push when it is done but we don't actually know if the rebrand will even stick. Pretty sure Ura said this is something she's doing on her own and the company may not go with whatever she comes up with.

>>16265147
>as well as being part of a big VTuber chorus
Ollie is everywhere.
Was in a group song organized by Mitsuya Fuji even.

Graduation announcements incoming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY8qMkLFDes

>>16312590
this is a tsunderia thread retard AND this has somehow ALREADY been posted here.

>>16256347
>They have the worst luck of any start up.
So much this. They're basically reverse Cover. Tsunderia is basically what Hololive would've been if Sora was a menhera, FBK was a backstabbing whore and every lucky break that Hololive had was reversed. I have nothing against Tsunderia and its current talents since they all seem to be a decent bunch but they're seriously cursed in terms of luck that it escapes explanation.

>>16313060
And where does Purin and Meru factors in?

>>16309569
Ofc she would praise now. They lined her up with kson

>>16256153
>Overdependence on key customers
Is this referring to oil barons?

>>16288264
Amiya is the EN Ngo, she just needs to capture the attention of NND nips and she'll incline to the moon.

>>16314877
it is referring to that in addition to certain stand-out talents outperforming others by significant margins, yes. large disparity between the turnout and income of talents is definitely a weakness of a lot of smaller companies.

>>16256153
>strongly alignated with western values
disgusting

>>16256153
Slugma balls

>>16315084
considering the japanese values of being a cuck with no backbone or your own strongly held and voiced opinions i'll take western values anyday

>>16315084
They mean the OTHER western values...

>>16315178
consider taking a gun to your mouth while kneeling to Hololive and Nijisanji niggerbug

>>16315301
ywnbj

>>16314504
Purin is Korone

>>16314504
Purin is the reverse Haachama, getting mentally stronger in spite of extreme personal life hardship.
Meru is Okayu alter, lover of games but not able to be easygoing and let stuff roll over without stressing about small things.

>>16312150
>Do you guys think the rebranding thing Urara is doing will change anything?
no, but it's a fun like watching a Branding Basics 101 tutorial video

>>16315709
>Purin is the reverse Haachama, getting mentally stronger in spite of extreme personal life hardship.
She talks about killing herself daily on discord.

>>16316424
people flippantly joke about killing themselves all the time chill

>>16299504
The PL says otherwise.

>>16312150
In the end someone has the final say over Urara so they might not want to go through with her suggestion.