/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>16208583
Anime is for normalfaggots anyway

Normalfags aren't aware of vtubing at a conceptual level, normalfags don't even watch streams in general. Your scale has become too relative, a genuine normalfag doesn't even know what twitch is and has never watched anime.

>>16208826
Not true, a lot of real normalfags watch anime but you're right they don't watch twitch

>>16208816
cope
>>16208826
this

>>16208826
Basically this. They just see an anime girl doing something in a clip. They're not aware of the culture or following this is vtubers.

>>16208583
On the internet, vtubing has become mainstream. But only the western vtubers are mainstream, think CodeMiko, Vei, Gura, etc.

Japanese chuubas are still very much not mainstream, people know what they are but the vast majority of the Western audience flocks towards their Western equivalent and not them.

For me that's a good thing, cause more people can get into it. It's given the opportunity to a lot of people to do something unique they would never be able to do due to health conditions or other various reasons, like Mouse and Vei.

>>16208826
maybe if by normalfag you mean my uncle. every zoomer got onto twitch through ninja probably

>>16208583
They’re only less weirded out because Veibae and Ironmouse were deemed “acceptable” by misfitz recently.
Nene got that high up because the reddit was tired of every post being a tweet on a hot take of DMCA

>>16208953
>that's a good thing, cause more people can get into it.
But why? Isn't it okay for something you like to remain niche?

>>16208959
Do you think it’s only a phase for normalfags to be interested in vtubers? I see more and more posts about them since they collabed with him

>>16208953
>For me that's a good thing, cause more people can get into it.
>more people can get into it.
>good thing
get the fuck out

>>16209007
>>16209055
It's not as niche as you think it is when you have channels that get 40K viewers and people talk about it on major social media platforms. Also it's a good thing in my opinion cause if more people get into it the longer it's going to survive.

Keep in mind that Twitch as a whole is still niche even among the internet. The highest subscribed to twitch channel doesn’t even have 300k subscribers, to put numbers into perspective.
Even YouTube and twitter are internet-normie sites, and not normal normie sites.
Actually normal people use Facebook and maybe instagram if FB pushed it hard enough to them. YouTube is only used to listen to music sometimes, or watch the occasional linked video, instead of a daily thing.
So vTubers are entering the mainstream of twitch, which is a niche community among stream watchers, which is a niche community among heavy internet users, which is a niche itself.

>>16209013
They don’t really see them as vtubers as they do streamers with anime avatars. Like >>16208826 said, they aren’t aware of vtubers at a conceptual level.
Unironically, Veibae being featured on that show as a degenerate loud mouth is slowly normalizing the use of an anime avatar for some of these watchers.

>>16209227
true

>>16209227
>YouTube and Twitter are internet-normie sites

No. YouTube is a massive platform with daily visitors in the hundred millions. Twitter is used by every fucker with an opinion on the planet. Fuck's sake Discord has started becoming mainstream.

>>16208583
It's not normalfags, it's just a different culture
Like others already said normalfags already don't watch twitch but have seen some anime clips by the off chance, but not deliberately like a weeb would or just a normal nerd or something alike
Instead those who watch twitch are either zoomers or insecure bitches that are contrarian against anime because "it looks weird and not realistic"
Tl;dr twitch culture is shit but not because they're not normalfag, otherwise it would be very different

>>16209407
So, if we were to re-phrase the question, are vtubers getting normalized for the average subhuman on Twitch?

>>16209341
Only YouTube is a normie site
Twitter is a cesspool that cultivates the worst of humanity on purpose
Yeah a lot of people use Twitter, but on contrast only a third of USA citizens use Twitter, but a surprisingly big margin doesn't

Only cunny is mainstream
the rest are sluts leechers

>>16209341
Youtube is watched by kids and by social rejects. The only shit that attracts normalfags are sports clips and lifestyle shill channels. The people who actively tweet on twitter are a tiny minority who have become tangled up in a tweeting subculture so niche and retarded that they're actually as removed from normalfags as we are.

>>16208826
Yes they are. Stop coping. My coworkers talk about Pomu and Selen all the fucking time and I pretend not to know anything about it even though I hide my power level so hard.

>>16208953
>Japanese chuubas are still very much not mainstream
DYRB

>>16209407
You had me until "Twitch culture;" It literally does not exist. Every channel has its own relative culture to it. You're free to be whoever the fuck you want there.

>>16209448
Honestly it depends
The thing with forseen going around shows how much hate vtuber and anime gets
But other circles is the opposite
There's a streamer a tend to watch from time to time called protonjon 1. His chat is surprisingly chill for what an average twitch chat displays and 2. his community and his circle of friends community praises and adore vtubers
Hell one of his friends is the 8bitdrumer, who has been given a shoutouts by gura herself

>>16209531
This

>>16209629
>The thing with forseen going around shows how much hate vtuber and anime gets
That's a lie and you know it. Otherwise VShojo wouldn't be popular at all and stream on YouTube if their numbers weren't what they currently are.

>>16209600
It's not a matter of it exist or not
But there is a pattern you can when looking and chats and community of say asmondgold or forsee or destiny or xqc or even ninja
You're definitely right that we can do what we want, but let's face it, people do follow the hard if they see one

>>16209680
Should also that MANY popular streamers openly talk about their interest in anime. Yes, there will be people in chat that post "fuckin weeb" but it's endearing, not an attack and they take it in stride.

>>16209531
Fair point, I kneel

>>16208583
My family who are normalfags that are heavy into video games and watch seasonal anime don't know what vtubers are
I wouldn't say vtubers are mainstream yet if they haven't even penetrated western heavy Japanese media consumers

I don't care too much about normalfags, but we're getting fucked the moment vtubers become completely disassociated from otaku culture

>>16209680
Than wtf is this? https://youtu.be/FdYzkUm9fvo SPECIALLY the comment section

>>16209698
>But there is a pattern you can when looking and chats and community of say asmondgold or forsee or destiny or xqc or even ninja
Nice Inductive Hyperbole. None of the behavior in those chats exist in others' and it should also be encouraged that these streamers inspire smaller content creators. They're all very much aware of it and it's more good than bad.

>>16209770
That would be call a hypocrite
And people would probably hate her for that

>>16209481
When I said YouTube was only an internet-normie site, I meant as actual user, and not people looking for clips and music.
I did mention that actual normies use YouTube. But they don’t even watch the lifestyle bloggers; they watch how-to videos, music videos, sports and tv show clips, and news stories. Watching people talk about or play video games is weird to them. 1 million views is a lot on the internet. The 2021 super bowl was shit and barely watched, and got 96.1 million viewers. And that is low viewership by normie entertainment standards.

>>16209770
VTubing was never even a part of "Otaku Culture." It's simply a form of streaming behind a persona and virtual avatar. The Nips just pretended like its otaku culture because they steal all concepts from the West and make them even more degenerate or a dumbed down version of what was originally there.

I'll go on a tangent. How different are YouTube vtuber watchers to the Twitch vtuber watches? Or are the communities not different at all?

>>16209775
>triggered this hard by banter
Go back to r/Hololive or /jp/, tourist, whichever virgin-infested shithole you crawled from.

>>16209857
Based nips

>>16209845
Yeah normalfags use Youtube to look up media content that does not originate on Youtube. And they also use the site as a better google since google search sucks ass these days and all the useful results would be youtube tutorials anyway.

nenechi cute

>>16209890
>nips
>anything but based
kek, they actually went and ripped off Strong Bad and Homestar Runner. VTubing has been around longer than you zoomers actually think. Fucking subhuman trash.

>>16209862
On twitch theyve barely even watched anime and watch it because "I love technology!!! Poggers!!!"

>>16209888
>virgin-infested shithole
Uhm... anon, you are on /vt/

>>16209951
Like annoying orange?
Also it's 4chan, dude. If you're not a weeb you're a newfag

>>16209951
Anon, why are you here?

>>16210035
Homestar Runner predates Annoying Orange by almost a decade though. It's clear you're the newfag here. Also not everyone came here with weeb shit on their mind, newfag.

>>16209906
The majority does, but there's a sizeable chunk of normal people who watch streams on YouTube and Twitch. From the top of my head, I have friends and co-workers that watch Ludwig, xqc, and some popular streamers from my country.

>>16210072
Because I like Virtual YouTubers and personalities. I've been watching them for 22 years. Sorry I don't like Japanese corporate weebshit in its lowest quality.

>>16208826
>normalfags don't even watch streams in general.
I wish, almost any german zoomer knows of our german streamers and probably watches one of them
Not sure how it applies to other EU countries or the USA

>>16210092
The original purpose of 4chan was otaku bullshit, so everyone not on board of that is newfags by technicality

>>16210147
Exactly the same here

t.[greek]

>>16209007 >>16209055
>It's given the opportunity to a lot of people to do something unique they would never be able to do due to health conditions or other various reasons, like Mouse and Vei.

>>16209888
Uh... you're not making sense, anon
You are aware of where you are, correct?

>>16210144
You certainly have learned how to pretend to be more unique than others and also learned to be intolerable because of it

>>16210241
Correct and that's fine but >>16209055 is talking about those people who Infiltrate the medium just destroy it from the inside

>>16210092
Homestar runner is nothing like vtubers at all you fucking faggot. It was weird ass meme cartoons, not vtubing at all you retard. If we want to argue about this bullshit at least try to pick something that's actually similar to a vtuber, like charles martinet controlling mario in shopping malls. Homestar runner is fucking worse comparision to vtubing than the annoying orange bullshit. If you want to get even more technical, that eggwardo character some anons dug up a few months ago even predate the mario shit.

>>16210183
>he doesn't know
Leave, newkiddie.

>>16210299
Because I'm right.
>>16210352
Confirmed to have not been around for the peak Strong Bad emails where Matt would do Q&A under Strong Bad. Yes it is virtual streaming. Deal with it.

>>16210241
SJW infestation is real things.
See Nyanners for example.

>>16210370
Ah yes, Nintendo handheld gaming, definitely nothing to do with Japan or anime media.

>>16210430
Nyanners is not a SJW, she's an opportunistic grifter. The only thing she takes seriously is money.

>>16210447
Imagine thinking this. You're clearly an election tourist or worse.
This site has NEVER been a bastion of free speech. This site has always been a place for the mods (and at the time, moot) to cause drama and shit stir when they are bored. Still happens today.
The only reason you get to shitpost right now is probably no mods are even awake. This has always been a "problem", mod dead hours. Janitors barely changed anything.
moot trying to sound all super deep about how he "totally" made 4chan for "anonymous discussion" (he never) makes me laugh. Revisionist SJW prick, like the rest.
He made this place for loli and shota because SA mods were deleting it. There's nothing deeper about it. That was it.
Most of this site were in trips and names for a solid 5 years on almost every board.
The only exception was the cancerous shithole /b/ that was forced anonymous in 2005-6 to appease a weeb fuck that tricked moot in to thinking "it's totally cool bro like 2ch does it!!" (it didn't, and still doesn't, and in fact has forced IDs and has done for most of its life)

>>16210492
Cope virgin

>>16210147
Same in France.

I just know one guy in my university who sometimes watches Veibei, but he doesn't even know what VShojo or Hololive is.

>>16210507
We get it you're still mad you got ban
>he made this place for loli and shota because SA mods were deleting it.
And that's not weeb as fuck?

>>16210507
Mucho texto

>>16210147
>>16210234
>>16210583
Am I out of touch? ...No, it's the children who are wrong.

>>16208583
>How mainstream has vtubing become? Is it still niche or has it become something normies watch as well?
They're squirrelled away on YouTube because YouTube actively curates their catalog and top trending.

Unironically Hololive moving to Twitch would blow the whole thing open since they don't that kind of filtering. The clip you linked is competing against other mainstream streamers already.

>Twitch is not a normalfag site

Holy shit hahahah the lack of self awareness coming from these subhuman redditors is unbelievable, do you even know what is happening on twitch for the last 5 years? their rapidly and aggressive increase in ADS? the major social events that are being transmitted there? Its becoming local TV by the day, you must be a complete drooling retard to believe all these different major companies are there just be part of this "little niche" streaming site.

>>16210901
Actually, the Internet as it stands is for normalfags, and you need to stop pretending you're not one yourself. Otherwise you deserve to be mocked for going full retard on weebtubers here.

>>16210901
Well, the current trajectory that they're on is.m..nog good.
They're currently going down the same dark road that led YouTube to create their contentID and DMCA system because the greedy and stupid fucks at the top can't help but constantly break copyright law.

>>16208583
>twitch
What a god awful platform holy shit

>>16210807
They have no choice. YouTube is currently unloading a new feature that decimates live viewership and therefore makes it impossible for their talents to be paid (which prioritizes average monthly CCV over all).

YouTube will not improve, because they have a 15+ year track record of lying profusely to creators and consistently making their website worse no matter what backlash is

Cover will be forced to seek a partnership and/or move to Twitch, and after the initial meltdown from bitter brand loyalists and /pol/tards who let trannies not only live rent-free in their heads, but throw massive parties up there, (spoilers, YouTube has just as many trannies on staff in the american Corp office, they just dont parade them around as often) everyone will realize that 90% of the complaints about the site and its "culture" are a bunch of overblown panic

1. The site works fine, it just requires better than a pajeet potato to run, so those with garbagetrash devices and 0.001meg of download will have issues running it
2. "Twitch culture" doesn't exist. Each community and chat is its own bubble, and if people come in and are dusruptive there is this thing called a "moderator" that can just fucking ban them
3. "Oh no chat will be spammed oh no!" The average holos chat is already moving at a speed of 10 messgaes per second or more. When Slow Mode is applied on Twitch, that's about the same speed if not slower. Non issue
4. You dont have to allow raids if your that autistic, but you have to be a moron not to. Its maybe 20 seconds of elevated chat activity in exchange for hundreds and in some cases thousands of more viewers getting exposed to you, which increases the chances of hooking in more longtime viewers, and donators, which I'll remind you is the entire point of Covers existence, to make money
5. DMCAs are handled the exact same way on Twitch as they are on YouTube, and per capita there are actually far less DMCAs filed on Twitch year on year
6. It takes, and I am not kidding you here, exactly three mouse clicks to export a full VOD from Twitch to YouTube, so the "it has no VOD" complaint is nonsense as well. It is also incredibly easy to archive VODs on Twitch itself, it just takes a modicum of effort and channel organization

>>16210807
They’d be popular only by twitch standards. Even with YouTube actively filtering them out, YouTube vTubers get significantly more views than twitch vTubers. Twitch is a niche among stream watchers, which is a niche market.

>>16210974
You're just saying that because it triggers your weeaboo sensitivities Either take the banter or you're not fit for what is the future of worldwide streaming.

>>16208826
This, I remember having a seminar and all the really attractive white girls went "what's a twitch" when someone brought up livestreaming

>>16208953
Fuck you. Nothing good has ever came from involving normies into anything.
Just look at what happened to Marvel and Star Wars. Those are two perfect cases of normie intrusion. Now that shit is dry and unwatchable: normies took it from the real nerds and destroyed it.
Normies are the perfect definition of cultural cancer. Wherever they go they destroy some culture or subculture.

>>16210981
why do you copy and paste this more than once

>>16211041
You're in for a rude awakening when you realize everything is for anyone that chooses to get involved. But keep on trying to gatekeep everything, virgin. They belong to us in the long run.

>>16209629
>2. his community and his circle of friends community praises and adore vtubers
I'd hope so, considering his wife became a vtuber.

>>16211144
>everything is for anyone that chooses to get involved
Go back to whatever discord or subreddit you came from, cuck.

>>16208953
nobody knows of codemiko, nigger. you are just talking about american internet media which is chink tier inflammatory garbage yellow journalism

>>16211260
You first. I've been posting here since 2004. I bet you've never heard about Helldump.

>>16211251
I mean, she was one of the first to become a fan of vtuber when it was getting popular and it made sense considering the type of content she creates
Also she's streaming right now, so there's that

>>16210352
Interestingly, that tech started in the medical field with the idea of doctors interacting with children. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MBYB9WsjCM

>>16208953
>>16208956
>>16209227
>>16209770
>>16209857
>>16210183
>>16210507
>>16210901
>>16211041
>>16211260
Reminder, most JP vtubers are fans of normie content and they share and laugh at normie content, not to mention they most likely hate people like us here in 4chan considering jp has other forums similar to this that garnered toxicity towards them
So yeah your oshi probably hates you and would likely go to reddit and laugh at the simplest things

is this the same OP posting twitter and reddit screencap threads every day?
why is this allowed?

>>16211377
This is the first time I've seen someone trying to LARP this hard.
Now I believe you aren't even a redditor but a twitter faggot. Also remember to specify your they/them pronouns in your bio.

>>16209775
that's a specific example of one guy getting spammed with unsollicited clips of a vtuber he has no relations to other than a very very VERY overdone meme that has been running since fall 2020
he didn't say anything about vtubers or gura either, just to stop sending him clips of her

>>16211559
JP vtubers strongly hold a introvert perspective. When they talk about normie stuff they never from a normie perspective. So it cant be normie. Normies never prefer introvert stuff.

>>16211684
Unfortunately it made a greater effect since it wasn't the streamer reaction that is the problem
Look at the comment section, those people are actually hating it

>>16211022
I don't know what you're on about, The jargon and culture of twitch has been detrimental to streaming as a whole.
Look at the hot tub bullshit before you reply trying to justify it to me.

>>16211022
>the future of worldwide streaming.
It's not 2014 anymore pal

>>16210986
>Twitch is a niche among stream watchers
This is completely backwards. Twitch is the streaming site with 70% watch hours and 90% stream hours in Q3 2021. YouTube and Facebook are trying to break into the market because stream watchers are much more profitable per view than video watchers.

Vtubers are stronger on YouTube because of the Niji/Holo networking effect but Susan is actively destroying that with the latest cull.

>>16211376
Anon, she has landed collabs with big streamers and has clips with over a million views. I know people even irl that have see something from her. Just because you don't watch her, doesn't mean she is a (who?)

>>16209534
where the fuck do you live for that shit to be normal? I tried explaining Berserk to one of my normie friends and after nearly 15 minutes of going from explaining the difference between manga and anime I settled on "its a Japanese comic"

>>16211559
The fact you mix disliking normie content with coming here to shit talk people on the internet is pretty moronic if you ask me. You can perfectly come here, stay in your chuba dedicated threads and be pretty chill while disliking normie stuff.

>>16211768
You act as if the Twitch community is oh so different from the YouTube community. In fact, there is no one Twitch community or YouTube community, every streamer attracts their own audience, whether the chat spams "pepegas" or "feet XD" depends on the streamer in question.

>>16211887
>its a Japanese comic
It's literally what manga is. I've got not idea why you would even bring up anime in this conversation unless you also mentioned the adaptation.

>>16211768
how have hot tub streams negatively impacted your stream watching experience?

>>16211710

>>16211978
>retarded streamers screaming POG at every little good thing that happens and chat being retarded spamming KEKW are clearly the same as youtube chat

>>16212188
this honestly

>>16211890
Oh sure, not like everyone else does it
Bitch that's the point, y'all just shit talk on normies and normie content while not realizing your chuba might be one of those people you dislike
So I am going to continue talking about this because might as well shit talk since that's all we do here

>>16211144
>everything is for anyone that chooses to get involved.
No, you fag. If a right wing, Trump supporter wanted to join BLM, you think they'd let them in? Would an active abortion doctor be able to become a Catholic priest? Stop talking out of your ass.

>>16212076
Huh??

>>16212188
>Pekora screaming peko-peko at every little good thing that happens and chat being retarded spamming kusa are clearly the same as Twitch chat

The more normies enter the fandom the more woketards will as well, it happened with Video Games and its happening/happened with tabletop games and it will happen with Vtubing. Language barrier is the final wall of defense against dilution of the medium into mediocrity.

>>16208583
>How mainstream has vtubing become?
even if HoloEN was a mistake and brought a lot of normalfaggots and Tumblr trannies, it remains as a niche, what happens in the vtubing world, doesnt have an impact in the real mainstream media, Cover numbers in twitter and networth are a joke in reality, so you wont see a politician or big news network talking about it.

>>16208583
Mainstream interest in vtubers barely ever overlaps with otaku interest in vtubers. That's why chubas /here/ get told to go back to other platforms, because there's literally a cultural divide between the two opposing segments of the fanbase.

Asking an otaku incel simp board about mainstream interest is pointless. This kind of topic would be for more applicable to Twitter, reddit, a streamer's own chat in a public stream (as membershio is predisposed to be skewed in favor of gachis), or normalfag boards like /b/, /v/ or even /pol/ that's comprised entirely of tourists due to how fast the board moves and how unusable it is for actually building on site culture/community.

Women seem to have an issue with recognizing the relativity of culture. Culture isn't hegemonic, and people aren't interchangeable. The people answering this question on 4chan will be completely different than the ones answering it on Facebook, especially since mainstream culture (INCLUDING entertainment culture) is diverging towards moral demagoguery and fascism while 4chan culture remains rooted in neutral amoral hobbyism, hedonism and decadence.

tldr You're asking this in the wrong neighborhood.

westerners lost their sub/counterculture. now all of them, except for some who get interested in non american contents, literally consume mainstream garbage like aaa shit games.

vtubers will never be mainstream in the west but possibly it can be a new sub/counterculture like manga is now dominating amerimutt comics.

>>16208583
I hate twitch and anybody associated with twitch they are worse than seaniggers

>>16214869
So now you hate Nenechi?

>>16209770
vShojo has no Japanese connections. Its already happened.

>>16211887
>I settled on "its a Japanese comic"
Ok what the fuck else were you calling it?

Something I can say for sure is that leftoids hate vtubers and will come for them, sooner or later.

>>16216882
It depends, on one hand they love the idea of an avatar to hide their ugliness and/or male puberty bodies but they hate when actual women use them, especially when they are lewd. They will probably try to overtake the medium in their image instead of trying to burn it down

>>16217076
Taking over is what they always do. Expect them to start introducing issues like oversexualized avatars, lack of Vtubers Of Color, cultural appropriation, the evils of idol culture etc.

>>16217489
Oh and "pedophilia" of course, how could I have forgotten to mention that.

>>16216365
A non western manga.

>>16216365
Esoteric Japonisme.

>>16217489
you forgot
>lack of trans tubers cast by people of trans race
>vtubing was ALWAYS rooted in black history as portaryed by blah blah blah we was vtubers and sheeet white boy stop stealing our culture

>>16211559
Why are you trying to make this into a pasta though, it's not even good

i thought vwhorejo only talking about cock piss shit and cum was a meme...

https://old.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/s0tu8w/vei_learns_something_from_a_very_trustworthy/

>>16217554
Too be fair, there are alot of pedo bait chubers

>>16217489
>>16217948
Vshoujo is already pushing this

>>16208583
Whether they use an anime avatar or put themselves on the camera it's all the same impression to normies : lonely pathetic neckbeard incels with no life throwing money at whores for that 0.001% chance of getting their attention.

>>16208953
This faggot don't even know what he's talking about

>>16208816
This, Anime is normalfag due to streaming services hosting and promoting it. Only delusional 3rd world nerds believe Anime is some hidden art from the sacred mountains in the land of the rising sun.
t. follow a bunch of normalfag gigastacies and some of them attended animelosangeles, talking about how cute the aki haato itasha is. A portion of those are sharing clips in their stories.

>>16208583
COVID19

>>16221748
Its not a meme that most of their content is vulgar cursing and coomer shit. They do play games way more than holos, gotta give them that