/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

>>16179261
Wait is that real?

https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1480372600761389059?s=20

They are finally moving their asses?

>16179433
>Youtube
>fixing anything
Is somebody gonna tell him?

>>16179372
There were 40k in waiting room which became 20k when she went live

>>16179372
Yes

>>16179372
nature is beautiful

Last week's superchats

they tried to fix it?

>>16179433
They've been saying they're working on it in the past few days, but we'll see what their 'fix' is when they actually roll it out.

>>16179433
It's the weekend.
Google HQ doesn't open for another 12 hours.

>>16179501
Meant for
>>16179433

the bot shit stirrer is still here
>posted his bait on hlgg
>was ignored
>replied to himself with the same picture
>immediately after, made a bait thread using the same picture quoting his zero (You) post
can't be more obvious, pretty sad state of the antis

>>16179661
No its a bug in the way youtube anti bot algo works, it happened to that glasses dude in nijien and that small time vtuber who was posted here too

Looking at the general ranking of ikioi.
Before the new cull vtubers overall could compete and even mog most twitch streamers. Now even Gura barely can compete with the ethot of the month on twitch.

>>16179629
January superchats so far
>Chloe - $62,024
>Rushia - $52,596
>Matsuri - $45,879
>Towa - $39,252
>Koyori - $39,121
>Iroha - $36,258
>Mori - $31,376

Financially speaking, are groomers better than having thousands of fans supporting you?

>>16179965
no

>>16179965
No, they are fragile.

Everytime I think I'm getting used to the new normal, Susan fucks me up.
What the fuck is this?

>>16179896
Impressive considering Orca has had it switched off during her readings

>>16179661
Some fag viewbotted her

>>16179896
Koyori that high is surprising.
Well glad to see that SC numbers are still consistent.

>>16179965
No way groomer is better, all those popular af channels out there have low SC

>>16180061
everyone else looks normal

>>16180095
thats an expensive shitpost

>>16180170
See people want to see their Oshi happy, some people just want to watch the world burn.

>>16180061
They seem to be doing something, God only knows what though

>>16180170
>>16180212

It's probably this guy
>>16165322

>>16179965
Groomers are bad for long-term growth and sustainability. Like, groomers drive off other potential fans and inhibit future growth, and often have 'garage band syndrome' mindset that means they may actively or subconsciously sabotage you for the sake of 'keeping you small and theirs'.

>>16180114
As soon as they opened membership Laplus' SC drastically fell while Koyori's stayed the same, now Koyori is the 3rd SC monster in the gen instead of cunny

>>16180170
must have been an extremely retarded newfag or anti, NO ONE would risk their oshi being pointed at by YT AND admitting doing it on public, like >>16180280
they are doing this on purpose to stir shit

>>16180212
I don't think that guy likes holos, who in the fuck viewbots a watchalong?

>>16180280
Imagine if Youtube is actually working on a fix and the vtubers who get viewbotted in the meantime stay permanently culled because their fans got their channels flagged with hard evidence. Of course, this is Youtube we are talking about, but that's why I asked you to use your imagination.

>>16180372
As I said, some people just want to watch the world burn. It's so stupid too, but it's a good demonstration of YT's anti-bot measures live.

>>16180372
fuck holos, he knows this shit will put everyone in YT at the stake, it's either a tourists or a twitch nigger

>>16179433
>They are finally moving their asses?
Lolno. At best, they'll call a PR agency

Looking good
https://youtu.be/W_H3LIi4X-k

poor irys, her original songs number going to get beat once again, by mumei this time

>>16180388
That's probably his endgoal, if he had any.

>>16180477
Irys is the prime example of poor advertising, if she was supposed to be a vsinger, she should release covers of the POPULAR songs, originals are not profitable unless you are extremely popular

>>16180477
How did Mumei pull the mv maker for 3rd Fantasia MV? that's costly

You niggers shouldn't be complaining to a PR account, complain instead directly to the people that actually work in YT. (in minecraft of course, pls no ban meidos)

>>16180477
Fuck red juice

Rainbow Disaster kills the clown.

>>16180542
Her voice is a big debuff just like watame

>>16180688
Unless you know somebody, bad PR is the best way for their bosses to make the people who work there move. Have you not seen how cancel mobs work?

>>16179261
> had a dream about Towa and Watame getting 40k each on a regular stream
> woke up feeling horrible
How do I escape from /here/?

>>16180921
get a job

>>16180921
You don't.
Remember, you are here forever

>>16180542
I feel so bad for her ,yeah she joined hololive so not everything is bad but she is not well promoted at all ,they barely communicate about the release of her song and they gave her weird model and cherry on the cake she's not part of any gen oh and she seem to have no say in the making of her songs....
VSinger was a shitty idea anyways

>>16179965
>groomers
Not even once.

How long until the HoloEN meme is dead?

>>16181309
>10k
Vei really is the new face of vshojo

What the fuck happened here?

https://holo.poi.cat/stream/1R9tX_Rv2_A

>>16181278
Well the fact that her NY costume is delayed is only good news, since it either means she has some more say about her appearance (probably not a huge fan of her current design) or *huffs copium* she might have a 2.0 upgrade coming up so there's no point in making a costume for an old design.

>>16181637
>>16181309
I'm probably coping here for pink cat but she hasn't streamed in Twitch for 5 days now. Hence the decline

>>16180477
>>16180542
She used all her original hype on the EP. I agree about the covers though.

>>16181637
>>16181710
She's steadily gaining, already up to 11k.

Also she started a bit late compared to her normal stream time so that's another debuff.

pikamee doing pretty well on twitch. 2400 to 2500 live viewers despite being fairly new there. or at least new to taking it seriously

>>16180542
They should find her permissions to cover Level 5 Judgelight so the algorithm cross-boosts her the same way Calli was partly cross-boosted by her own old stuff.

>>16181870
I wonder how Kson will fare when she moves to Twitch? 3K-5K maybe?

>>16181870
wasn't she sub 1k on youtube lately

Petra talking about the cull. She’s missing 500-1000 live viewers when she streams

>>16181940
>Speaks Japanese 90% of the time
There's no JP audience on Twitch for her to gain.

>>16181966
latest yakuza streams struggled like that

>>16182051
Which Petra?

>>16182062
She's still fluent in English for EN viewers. Besides, Nene got 2.3K on her watchalong. Who says Kson can't get the same or even higher numbers when she advertises it?

>>16182051
Damn it's unarchived so we don't have receipts.
500-1000 is basically half her viewership.
Irys probably at 10k right now.

>>16182062
But her old audience won't be unculled. Anons 3k-5k is a safe bet for her twitch streams

>>16182130
There’s an other Petra? Petra Gurin

>>16181309

>>16182062
You retards know Jun, Shaka, Stylishnoob and a bunch of other FPS japs stream on twitch to 15-40k people right?
There's definitely Japanese people that use twitch.

>>16182299
Rent-free

Retard here is building a stream site like twitch that costy? I mean if Yagoo made a stream site for their girls he would keep the audience captive there and eventually get advertisers without the globohomo fucking around and still keep the youtube channels alive by posting clips. Like twitch fags do. Dunno seems like the risk is worth taking. If that doesn't work then move to twitch.

>>16182141
>>16182221
>>16182311
Bringing in their old audience is not a recipe for success. They'll lose them over time and need to find new viewers.

Ame did a poll with 790 CCV, and got 1.1k votes within a minute before she closed it.

775 viewers on ames stream, 1150~ votes in 1 minute

I remember Kronii teasing her OG song during her debut. What became of it? Is it another Council lazy situation all over again?

>>16182494
By that logic, Pikamee should be reclining in Twitch. But she isn't, I wonder why.

Petra calling out Susan lol

>>16182241
Dude must be thinking of Patra.
Also that's a bold faced lie. Since when did Petra have more than 500 viewers lmao

>>16181643
Bots again?

>>16182051
Petra's /here/ isn't she?

>>16182592
Right now. 760 viewers but there should be more

>>16182593
I swear some schizos /here/ and jap ones have now started to viewbot their own oishi.

>>16182547
Pikamee speaks English. Kson doesn't, even though she can.

>>16182515
>>16182518

>>16182582
>7 mins
A bit late, but that's still 300% poll participation in 3 mins.

>>16182752

>>16181870
>2400 to 2500 live viewers
while playing minesweeper of all things

>>16182766
Apparently had 1,106 votes in 1 minute

>>16182752
I hate Susan.

>>16182752
Isn't that the peak because some retard viewbotted her stream?

It says 3k peak on holostats for example.

>>16182752
when will /#/ extort all the chuubas for the real numbers these past few weeks?

>>16182821
You're right. that one retard screwed it for us.

>>16182726
I'm sure someone like Kson is smart enough to know that. Although we can't know what her ccv looks like so better to just wait it out.

>>16182801
>>16181870
pika suffering brings viewers

>>16182870
Kek. Youtube can now use Ame as a scapegoat for their retarded AI. There goes Hal's reports.

>>16182518
>>16182515

>>16182970
That's her normal numbers on Twitch anon.

>>16183033
and I think we can assume that those are lower than her "true" YouTube numbers since twitch isn't her main platform

>>16183033
last pika twitch stream i saw was around 2000

>>16183406
She had 2.5K on Jan 5 and 2.8K on Jan 4. Checks out according to twitchtracker.

>My Song nearly at 500k views after 3 days
Is Watame finally gonna do it? Does she finally have her GHOST, her Palette, her RIP

>>16183532
okay. good to see pike doing well on twitch

>>16183675
isn't that going to be featured on TV? this could be the hit

>>16182821
>>16182870
>>16182980
Do you really believe a random fag from global can bot 2k viewers? how gullible are you fags really?

>>16183771
same graph happened before to a nijien guy a while ago

>>16183771
Where do you think you are?

>This thread is good
I'm proud of /#/

so, this might be Susan experimenting with the verification algo, the first part

>>16183917
seems like it

eop viewbotters

>>16182821
>>16182870
>>16183836
>>16182980
Hear me out, the analytic display shows both average and maximum viewers. I don't think Ame would missed that.

>>16183675
Well it's at 428k after 3 days and if we're strictly comparing it to those 3 songs, then it's not on the same level.

However, it is at 72k likes, which is almost double what she's gotten from her last few originals and her tweet of it is at 39.1k likes, which is much much higher than most of Watame's regular tweets.
Generally, its very well received by anyone who has seen it.
https://twitter.com/tsunomakiwatame/status/1479078003171037185

As for if it's her most successful song, I think she already got that with Cloudy Sheep.
That song blew up so fast (in large part thanks to Mori) that I don't think she can have another song match it in speed.

>>16183986
She sees the exact same thing we see until YouTube updates the analytics later.

>>16183963
>a new variant of ccv virus

>>16184026
the 3k she mentioned might not be from the bot since she can also see the average.
The displayed average of that stream was around 1k? but she saw 3k. A short burst to 3k should upped the average. That's what I meant to say.

>>16184003
Can hololive get another Reflect? Chloe first OG perhaps?

>>16184037
>amecron

>>16183771
After my entire home page constantly had 50K CCV bottled NASA and SpaceX streams a few months ago? Hell yeah.
If disposable bots weren't cheap, they wouldn't be constantly running these instant Nigerian prince scams that get shut down over and over.

>>16184180
Q.

>>16182592
literally most of the times absolute retard. Look at her average in the last months and all are above 1k

>>16184026
my rrat says shes using holostats to check peak views.

>>16184212
If botting was viable, cryptoniggers would get millions of viewers on every stream, instead they hack accounts so that should tell you something

>>16184180
Wait for Q, it's fully animated + Gura buff (could do better in Gura's channel but Mori payed for it so it's fair)

>>16184180
There's the chance that Gura and Mori's new song might match it, but otherwise no.
HoloJP's music speed is no match for HoloEN and we probably already saw the biggest premieres for Holosongs - Kiseki Knot and Kanata's Supercell cover right after Coco's graduation.
Both of those songs didn't come close to Reflect.

The closest JP ever got to Reflect was Kuzuha's Vampire, which had a 70k premiere and too many buffs to list (his non-vtuber friends with millions of twitter followers were retweeting it), and it still didn't beat Reflect or King.

>>16184133
*shouldn't upped the average

>Want my pengy to do good
>Know her metrics will never by Hololive tier"
Give it to me straight anons, how much of a difference are my akasupas gonna make?

>>16184180
Wait for Q, it's fully animated + Gura buff (could do better in Gura's channel but Mori paid for it so it's fair)

>>16184443
It just a drop in a bucket if you compare it to the other vtubers but it'll make her happy.

>Okayu Steak Collab

>>16184443
More of a difference than Akasupas to Holo 4views.

>>16184443
the bigger the gap, the better they feel about their gachis

>>16184443
Stream on Twitch to get better and more reliable metrics. Tell her to have 3rd party donations so that Twitch doesn't take any of it.

>>16182467
>"Retard here"
Yeah that's about right, and I'm only answering because other people might have the same idea. No one can challenge the major streaming sites at this point; Vimeo is basically dead, and MS pissed away millions trying to get literally anyone to use Mixer. Youtube operates at a loss which means no one can seriously compete with it anytime soon, especially not Cover. Anyways, they're not going to piss away their audiences over Alphabet fuckery which might get fixed in a week or so, but it's not surprising to see more of them streaming on twitch already.

So far what i got from the cull
>all nijisanji are numberfags
>all hololive are numberfags except pekora and gura
The past doesn't count for me.

>>16184536
>Imagine the line if Pekora was the model.

Since you guys are talking about songs Mori's orisong Live again might reach reach 10M today if she shill it or announce the achievement, but knowing her she will not and it might hit 10M for the next 2-3 days

>>16184536(Me)

>>16184003
True, but there's just something kino about Watame finding her own legs and finally running with the best of them with a song called My Song instead of perpetually being in the shadow of others in her generation

>>16184644
>McDonald's
Kek

>>16184622
It would be the same.

>>16184614
>except pekora and gura

>>16184795
lmao yeah, idk what he was expecting.
Sold out is sold out.

>>16184815
They're already at the very top of the industry, it's unnecessary for them to become numberfags

>>16184826
>>16184795
I was expecting nousakeks to demand more from the restaurant if they sold out. They're just as vile as chumkeks.

She can't even top daily SC anymore...

>>16184835
>it's unnecessary for them to become numberfags
Loserdog mentality

>>16184644
If I am not wrong the Japs originally didn't take the collab well because Ikinari steak is kinda dying, also have a lot of bad rumors. Well good for them that it sold out.

>16185009
Do you think Bezos worries himself everyday that Amazon might get trumped?

>>16185009
Shouldn't it be Nijisanji? Pekora and Gura win golds without events anonchama....

>>16185100 (me)
Wrong analogy, meant to say Do you think Bezos worries himself that he'll no longer be the richest man in the world

So what we can take from Ame stream:
The chart
>If viewbot is true, it's use less against Youtube AI and anomalies got curbed real fast
The Ame's 3k
>If she saw the maximum viewers, it's the viewbot and confirmed that the channel owners should see what we see
>if she saw the average viewers, youtube hide CCV more than we thought (800/3000 = 75% loss), 3k spikes couldn't bring the average up that much. but it will contrast with the others that see the verification updated later OR they changed the verification method again?
Is this correct?

>>16185009
>Loser dog mentality
草

>>16184869
I never got the nacho fries…

>>16185496
>Not camping out the night to try your oishi's advertised food
Couldn't be me.

>>16184614
>>16184835
>Except peko
>very top of the industry
Yeah, top female streamers with avatars.
Not even top streamer in general.
Over 100 million subs short of the top Youtuber.
Over $1 billion short in revenue vs. to the top Hollywood productions.

>16185620
Nigger we're talking about the vtuber industry obviously.

774inc. currently doing a karaoke relay during CCVid season. expect to see number weirdness with them too.

>>16179896
Rushia is too strong. She didn't even have the new outfit buff that holox got but she smoked most of them.

>>16185620
Why are you bringing normal streamers in a vtuber topic?

pink cat

>>16182537
Kronii and Mumei both teased a song at debut, which in retrospect was probably way too soon. Mumei just posted a new PV and it'll be out in a week, Kronii's probably isn't far behind.

Good morning /#/
Anything interesting happen in the past 12 hours?

>>16184898
So there is such a thing as too stinky

Does anyone think that NijiEN males' next song might have a chance of beating Reflect?

SEA women are notorious at streaming and farming for views.

>>16186135
Numbers look weird today.

>>16186161
No

>>16179896
Rushia may have a 4:1 male:female watcher ratio but I grantee her paypigs are all male. I really want to know if we have a site to track the biggest moneybags so we can see switches of allegiance, some gachi are as hard as a rock but some are known to find a new vtuber to love every few months.

https://twitter.com/officialikinari/status/1480370346587205635

Suffering from success

>>16186161
Depends, i don't think the Nijisanji EN music is particularly good apart from some BGM, so Luxiem would need to REALLY pour it out for it to be good enough to mog sharkies song

>>16185882
I remember somebpdy saying something about the Korean vtuber group might drive interest away from Hololive in Korea. Seeing the CCV here, I think it might be true.

Hololive is being cornered in KR, EN and JP markets now. The only place Hololive is still at the top is ID, but that could change if NijiEN males start collabing with ID dudes more.

>>16186135
We got a new variant of CCVID: Ameron. Take a look >>16183963

>>16186298 (me)
Amecron*

>>16186298
that happened to the nijien guy first retardchama. also it has only happened two times ever

>>16186281
That would be way too easy. I think hiring someone to make a Kpop type of song will be the surefire way to make it incline. I doubt beating Reflect with the support of thousands of SEA women will be that hard.

>>16186135
The fuckery in the last few hours summarized:
Kanata's graph going haywire
Gura and Ame overlapping streams taking a cull simultaneously
Ame getting a rapidly decaying CCV spike in the middle of doing nothing

>>16186364
Like I said, it's a new variant, we need to watch out for the next days if this is prevalent.

>>16186161
Anon, I think you are misunderstanding something about Gura and the size of her audience...

>>16186298
If this is a way to get Susan to target EN vtubersvmore, it might succeed at further lowering the CCV.
It's kinda smart on /jp/ part.

>>16186229
>>16186298
>>16186402
Thanks for the update anons.
Those spikes do look fucking weird.

>>16186492
Uh the size of her audience is nothibg compared to the size of SEA women willing to farm views for their favs anon. She could have 10M subs and it would still lose of SEA fanaticism. I know it, I saw it. Besides, NijiEN males are going to gain a lot more fans so I wouldn't dpibt it will match Gura's crowd one day.

Devaju, I've seen this posting style before.

>>16186637
mmhh, what part of the world is waking up right about now i wonder

>>16186637 (me)
Devaju what the fuck
Dejavu*

>>16186637
Yeah, I won't bother giving yous since it's idiotic to think HoloEN is losing against NijiEN or their fanbase in KR.

>>16186637
one guy might be a joke for other thread but we have literally ONE guy.

>>16186905
>/#/ is performance art
like pottery

>>16180844
>Watame voice debuff
huh?

Speaking of Korean, I find it funny how Korean unicorns are in love with HoloEN while none looks at NijiEN females, even though they are Hololite.

Even better, I barely see anybKR clips for NijiEN males and females

>>16186676
EU?

>>16187085
The word "nijisanji" make them sick

>>16186263
It was only 11:46AM when that tweet was made.

I bet they just didn't get enough in stock.

https://twitter.com/Gwelu_os_gar/status/1480421727629115394
gwelu's old pc finally kicked the bucket

>>16187350
I’m gonna miss always seeing him in Nijimado

>>16187350
>Holding out for only 131 days
What a weak PC/Laptop

>>16187350
>https://twitter.com/Gwelu_os_gar/status/1480421727629115394
RIP can 2022 start off worse?

>>16185616
couldnt be sadder

>>16187350
another number.... gone..

>>16184536
>>16184644
Cover can rejuvenate japan tourist industry all by itself once japan open up if they are smart. All they have to do is get the en girls over to japan and collab with a bunch of places to attract tourists and everyone would flood to those places. They can also pull a smol ame like mikodanye.

>>16186297
the most low iq take ive seen in a long while

I'm laughing at your puny numbers.

>>16184687
I get what you mean but the only one in her gen that overshadow her was coco.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYuiA_QL1QY
385 waiting lmao the drama buff

>>16187183
They are Korean after all

>>16187350
more like his wife kicked its shit in when she finally got sick of seeing the electricity bill

>>16187702
whats the drama surrounding this chubba anon?

>>16187674
How much is she getting culled?

>>16187613
>live in the same country as my oshi
>have to fly to Japan for live performance
Feels bad, man.

>>16187774
60% cull

The daily number is hopeless

>>16187674
I've always been calling bullshit on those "estimation" , fucking 1.9 billion ? My country barely hear about them

>>16187854
Just think of it as a vacation.

>>16187679
Do you really believe it?

>>16187908
>7k king
HOLY SHIT CCVID IS AT AN ALL TIME HIGH

>>16187908
Hey he's back! Sort of.

>>16187908
kuzuha..

>>16187674
Ask any SEA OP about Queen live and they'll tell you they know Queen Elizabeth, 150 nations my ass

>>16187908
It will take Susan a while to cull Gura's numbers.

>>16187918
>>16188093
>SEAtards seething about Queen's numbers
lmao

Never before have I seen an actual 1 digit ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDhZVaht6rA

>>16180737
It's gonna end up eating Kanae too at this point.
https://socialblade.com/youtube/compare/UCX7YkU9nEeaoZbkVLVajcMg/UCspv01oxUFf_MTSipURRhkA

Funny thing is, the EN Nijisanji official page is set to keep getting more subs than their own VTubers as well. It already passed Pomu and Selen, and it's rapidly closing the gap on Finana next.
https://virtual-youtuber.userlocal.jp/office/nijisanji_in
https://socialblade.com/youtube/compare/UC-JSeFfovhNsEhftt1WHMvg/UCu-J8uIXuLZh16gG-cT1naw/UCIeSUTOTkF9Hs7q3SGcO-Ow

>>16188188
>started 5 minutes ago
>10 likes
Good ration

>新人Vtuber
She's been at it 5 months. When does it stop being okay to keep that title?

>>16188171
I'm just fucking tired about number being inaccurate these days

>>16187999
Who else overshadow her in her gen? Kanata?

>>16188188
They show up on the bottom of the userlocal rankings pretty often.

>>16188292
At least it's not Nielsen ratings.

>>16187918
>>16188292
>>16188391
Do TV ratings get view botted too?

>>16187918
I was going to agree with you until I realised it was Queen the band, not the Queen of England.

>>16188491
You bet your ass they are, and they're not accurate at all to begin with.

>>16188391
>Nielsen
lel
Those fucks sent me 2 dollars, 2 actual dollars in legal tender, with a survey and promised they'd give me $5 if I filled it out. I never did, I don't even own a TV. Those numbers are complete nonsense and it makes me wonder why people ever used them.

>>16188543
Damn you, Peter.

>>16188248
>When does it stop being okay to keep that title?
She has 5 viewers... let her have this lol

>>16188118
Yeah, since most chumbuds never watch other holos

>>16187908
>most of these are probably waiting for the stream numbers
any of (you) volunteer to sleep with susan so she will fix this ccv bug?

How's Peko's numbers nowadays? Has the cull hit her hard? Are noisagis crazy and mad enough to storm YouTube's HQ?

https://youtu.be/37XzkQsos2I
Any anons following this song relay? Might be an interesting case study regarding the emote/emoji spam theory from the Hololive Christmas relay

>>16189009
>Has the cull hit her hard
she's not even 10k streamer nowadays
>are noisagis crazy and mad enough to storm YouTube's HQ
no

>>16189058
We only barely know Patra and Haneru here so probably no.

>>16184644
>>16188248
>She's been at it 5 months. When does it stop being okay to keep that title?
Choco has been at it for three years and she still uses it, it really doesn't mean anything

>>16189009
We haven't gotten a single solo 10K, tasukete... Jun-kun... anata wa watashitachi no yuiitsu no kibōdesu.

poll time

IRYS POLL

>>16189402
That's oddly sus
Anyone else notice this happening as of late fellow /#/ friends?

KEK.
It already got "100%" after 2 poll ticks in under a minute.
Ridiculous nonsense.

It reached 100% engagement pretty much instantly

>>16189402
>>16189413
Add it to the pile

>>16189402
Up to 150% engagement in 2 minutes. These Holos sure have a lot of viewer churn.

Another one

>>16189413

>>16189485

Lots of polls lately, is Cover collecting evidence to confront YT with?

>>16189461
Great engagement. The worst I've seen is VSPO, 1000% engagement in 10 minutes.

>>16189471
It's not viewer churn. Her CCV actually increased from 3044 to 3077 the whole time the poll time was up.

Too bad it's 4 hours into the stream already and 12 am PST/3am EST so her number probably declined a lot already.

Pretty crazy to know there's still at least 5000 people watching her at this time tho.

I've been avoiding these threads since new years because I can't handle these midget numbers, qrd on any new developments?

>>16189513
They might be,maybe we underestimated their manager?

>>16189513
God I hope so, but most likely it's something the girls themselves are doing on their own initiative because of some discussions they were having. If it was a top down directive there'd be alot more polls from the JP side.

NiceRyS

>>16189576
YouTube team said they are aware of this issue and are "working on fixing it", usual canned response.

>>16189575
At least 5000? It reach almost 7k in 5 minutes, that engagement is crazy, its probably 8-10k, if not more

>>16189576
Youtube acknowledged the issue and encourages people to report using the YouTube feedback function... And that's pretty much it.

>>16189641
Hey, it's better than what happened last time where they went from "Looking at it" to "It's intentional".

>>16189576
Were stuck in numbers hell but this time Youtube seem to be looking unto it unlike the previous cull with EN.
Dont get your hope up tho it might take months before we see some change

>>16189641
>>16189653
Still better than when they literally said "ur just reclining kek"

In a world without youtube fuckery, what would you expect normal poll engagement to be? There'll be decent chunks of viewers not logged in, watching from embedded sources, and not paying close attention or caring to vote

>>16189769
30% would probably be amazing engagement

>>16189711
>months
Please I can’t take it anymore. Every Vtuber in Hololive and Niji will be two views if they take months to fix it

>>16189769
69% viewer participation

>>16189769
Without fuckery?
in a 5 min poll I'd expect, accounting for SOME viewer churn and a somewhat more fanatical userbase (not quite kpop levels, but given how the likes go etc..) Probably 40%. Right now, people are AWARE and thus are more likely to vote in polls so without Susan fucking things I'd expect as high as 60% just off of people being up in arms. 100%+ engagement in under 5 minutes is just 'lol'.

>>16189769
We've seen some anons throw out 50-60% for twitch polls, but I don't watch Twitch so idk.

For youtube, it's usually either low as fuck like 20% for some government stream or it's 100%+ like vtuber polls.
Even if the poll is 300% participation in 15 mins, it's still pretty bullshit because that implies the viewers have entirely rotated at least 3 times in 15 mins.

>>16189769
Anything above 20-30% would be extraordinary, and 50% would get accusations of rigging. Unlike the current situation where a pol can get 800% engagement and people will go >but muh viewer churn

>>16189769
50 percent and below for polls on normal streams.

For streams with high engagement, I can accept more.

>>16187908
Veibae #2
Nyanners #3
It's another good day to be a Vshochad.

>>16189944
>people on discord and basket weaving forums hear about a poll
>tune in with their adblock on
>push like and vote in the poll
>close the stream
Takes less than a minutes.

>>16189944
Let's go with the average user watch time to be 10-11 minutes, based off of pikamee and the other number from that niji liver who's name eludes me at this moment.
As such, doing some reductive averaging, I'd expect a 'full turnover' of the audience every 10 minutes (yes I know it wouldn't be a full turnover, but it averages out).
As such, with normal engagement levels a poll that goes on for an hour should probably end up with ~(30% x 6) 180% engagement.

>>16189831
On the other hand, you get to see some really nice negative % in StreamHatchet if they don't fix it.

>>16189769
on average a poll is usually around 30%
you're lucky to get like 50% that was crazy
100% is impossible
somehow vtubers can get 200% in like 2 minutes

>>16190036
FUCK OFF SUSAN

>>16190056
Oh it's going to be b a d already. 2 weeks with numbers this depressed is going to be very interesting. A month is going to be even better if YT doesn't release a statement and streamhatchet includes that in their 'analysis'.

>>16190036
Sounds like a slick operation, to get that disseminated and thousands of people in voting, all within two minutes. Imagine if they turned that toward something productive.

>>16189769
with how dedicated vtuber fans are I'll be generous and say you could get 60-70%.
pretty sure most people on twitch normally only see around 30%

>>16187908
finally some real numbers. No multitab, multiwindow, multidevice, tribal box pushing. Thankyou susan for showing REAL ccv.

>>16190056
>StreamHatchet
they never get the correct data anyway even if YT didn't fuck up

>>16180542
>extremely popular
IRyS will be the next EN to hit 1M, she out performed MYTH in the time she was active compared to their time maybe outside Gura, Kronii is the only council keeping a similar pace
THE FUCK ARE YOU ON?! /#/ has rotten your damn mind

>>16190365
Not surprising but when the news reports on % growth in the streaming industry, they use those numbers, and mainstream cross-platform rankings come from those numbers as well.

>>16190261
There are about 60k posts a day on /vt/, global is half the board traffic and this thread is often top 3 in post rate. If the 1 poster per lurker this is true there are more than 100k unique clicks on this finger painting forum. Is it so far fetched that a few of them do that?

>>16187767
see
>>16176490
it's her roommate

>>16190414
>per lurker
per 5 lurkers*

>>16190414
>1 poster per lurker
anon there's only like 94 people right now in this thread, almost 200 people that care about numbers right now, lets say that all of them are supposedly going in every stream just to vote and fuck with numbers, that's only about 200 people which would not make the counter be 200% engagement in 5 minutes, let's say that all of global and its lurkers then are doing it to fuck with numbers, global has on average 300 posters, even if we apply 1 lurker per poster that's only about 600 which again, does not equate to 200% (6k votes in a 3k stream) in 5 mins even if we assume all of the posters and lurkers vote and fuck off.

>>16190548
Most of the posters in global were watching anyway, based on the thread discussion.

>>16190053
anon, that 10 minute per watcher is bullshit since Youtube already doesn't count your view if you tab out, we saw that peko's and miko's were about 50 minutes on twitch, I wouldn't be surprised if pika's viewer retention on twitch is better since they count tabbed-out viewers

>>16190548
/vt/ is being culled.

>>16190399
We are talking about her music tho

>>16190548
It's 1 poster per 5 lurkers. This figure is before the happening, gamer gate, and the 2016 election so the lurker ratio is probably way up. At least 700 people have read at least a portion this thread. I'm just saying this is a targeted campaign by /#/ to drive up poll participation to reinforce their schizo theories.

>>16190399
Hmm, I get your point but the numbers for her music don't lie.
Irys has shown that she has a pretty loyal fanbase and her stream numbers are far from bad, but in big collabs, she suffers the same issue that Kiara/Fauna face where she's the 2nd/3rd favourite of many hako-oshis.

It's not a hot take either that her songs objectively do not do well numbers-wise, compared to other HoloEN members, but this could be due to numerous reasons.
When even Kiara and Ina's originals do better, there's clearly something wrong.
It's also safe to bet Kronii and Mumei's upcoming originals are going to do better than Irys's originals too.

Irys is actually quite similar to Watame and Flare actually where their karaoke numbers are good (10k+), but their song numbers aren't.
It's weird, but Irys really needs to release some meta vocaloid covers to remind people she's supposed to be a Vsinger.

>haachama's 800 avg ccv 3 hour stream just hit 140k views after 15 hours
The most successful 3view

>>16190036
Totally bro, there's a discord channel with 40k users waiting for Nene to open a poll
They also coincidentally are only active in proportion to the viewers

>>16190548
okay fine, I'll post

t. lurker

>>16190652
roru
Numberfags are looked down upon by most, how many do you think would bother rigging a poll for us? How many do you think watch streams, especially for several dozens of chubbas from different companies?
How many would even bother opening up a stream to help the numberfags they loath so much for a campaign against Susan?
And 700? Fuck off, most people would rather cut off their balls than to click on this fucking thread

>>16190661
I call bullshit on youtube. I don't get any IRyS songs recommended to me but I get music for tons of Holos I never even watch.

>>16190661
>Irys really needs to release some meta vocaloid covers to remind people she's supposed to be a Vsinger.
Maybe being a Vsinger means she has different restrictions compared to the typical holomem (AZKI doesn't seem to have many covers either recently), but it's really odd that she has no non-Holo covers.

>Vampire, Cinderella, Goodbye Sengen, Ussewa, Phony, Kaibutsu, Kamipoi, EYE...etc
There's been so many covers of these from Holos in the past 6 months of these songs that even Kiara has a Vampire cover, yet Irys doesn't have a single one?
She speaks fluent Japanese too so there's not even a language barrier issue.

>>16190661
Kronii and Mumei are definitely more popular than IRyS (probably 3-5x) and they're going to have the first original buff + hype from 5-6 months. IRyS used that hype on her debut EP and everything she's released on her channel were either re-releases or released without any hype. She would need to be able to announce it in a big event like an outfit reveal or her birthday (or a live if she ever does one.)

>>16190756
It's unfortunate, but she probably doesn't have enough algo 'weight' to her music yet, for one reason or another. This is where doing popular cover songs can help.

>>16190748
>Numberfags are looked down upon by most,
They say that but they're watching, they care. They read. There are just few that are willing to give into the animalistic instinct since it is taboo.

>>16190652
we've seen more than 100% poll engagement long before the current cull where people are more schizo about poll engagement, Bae's poll a while ago before CCVID had close to 200% in like 11 minutes. Also, do you think 100% of anons here are dedicated enough to not only watch /#/ like a hawk to see any potential polls but also go onto a stream and vote just for the hell of it? Some people here don't even post because they're too lazy to solve the captcha but now you expect me to believe that all of them aren't watching the stream before, monitor /#/ for any poll, and vote.

the thought of mumei teaser gonna beat IRyS original song number is actually hurt bros..
how to ease these feeling?

>>16190756
Irys has 4 original songs and 4 covers of Holo songs.
Her original songs have done okay (HCH) to bad(Diorama) and her Holo covers basically stopped growing the week after she released them.

The reason you don't get Irys song recommendations is because her music is not popular enough to be in the algorithm.
It's the same reason why Flare's and some of Nene's covers do poorly.

Now if Irys drops an Animal or Phony cover and gets 400k+ views in the first week?
That will stick in the algorithm, but right now her releases are in the 150k views in the first week tier and those die so quickly.

>>16190652
Stop pretending that there isn't an issue.
Why are you doing this? Clearly vtubers have an issue with it, why do you want this to be okay?
It's not okay
Stop pretending it's okay
Vtubers need you to think it's not okay
If they didn't think that it wasn't okay, they wouldn't be doing polls
There's even clips of their polls
There's clips of them being sarcastic or angry
Mio talked about it not being okay
Rushia talked about it not being okay
Risu talked about it not being
So many talked about it not being okay
So tell me you faggot nigger kike giga cum chugging mega faggot, why the FUCK
Do you think
You have thE FUCKING RIGHT?????
to pretend that this is okay
shut the fuck up and DO THE RIGHT THING
BE A GOOD PERSON
AND SAY
THAT IT'S NOT
FUCKING
OKAY
OR I WILL FUCKING KILLY OU
AND YOUR PARENTS
YOU FUCKING NIGGER FUCK

>>16190935
Weirdly enough I get her covers recommended to me but only get her EP songs from the Topic.

>>16190968
Based, but also in dire need of meds.

>>16190968
>Clearly vtubers have an issue with it,
They are appeasing their numberfriend fans. Everyone is calling for blood.
>>16190748
>for a campaign against Susan?
People would agree to that even without mentioning numbers once.

>>16190921
>how to ease these feeling?
Superchat her to release a cover of anything.
Even Ina released a cover in the past month of a 14 year old song and it got 1 mil views in a bit more than a week.

She should just reupload her own Only my Railgun cover if she's too busy.

>>16190761
>her music production entirely handled by omegatranny/corporation
>Cover Songs are not profitable / total loss
That is why her cover songs are from other holo originals.

>>16190968
I think I will turn this into a copypasta

>>16191027
renai circulation fits her voice so much. She should do that one.

>>16191027
Or her renai circulation cover

>>16190968
>KILLY OU
LMAO. >>16191037 It definitely makes it better as a pasta.

>16191004
Even if Susan comes out doing a naked dogeza streaming while admitting that they fucked up big time you'd just assume that /vt/ kidnapped her husband and blackmailed her into doing so.
Keep living in your delusion.

>>16191066
There's no way they would come close to n*mirin's numbers and she wouldn't be allowed to use footage from the anime like she did on those.

Will a irys cover of renai circulation link her old channel to her new channel? The algorithm does seem to have magic sometimes.

>>16190652
That's fucking retarded, show me people organizing this shit then. If it were some conspiracy involving fucking thousands if not tens of thousands of people you think none of them would have bothered coming to talk about it, recruit for it?

The fact this same data holds for indies this board gives zero shits about to bother voting in polls about, like JOP indies that have literally almost never been talked about here, and even random ass companies like Asus? Nah. It's youtube and clearly so. It's way more schizo to deny reality and say it's some conspiracy than just observe the results for what they are.

>>16190748
Numberfags are looked down on for making the numbers into a competition. Youtube lying about the numbers is different from that.

>>16191056
The dilemma between taking down your old 100M+ view cover to revitalize your new channel or watching your dead channel gain more music views weekly than your current active one.

Compromise: Just do a Mousou Express cover since it sounds close enough.

Jokes aside, it only took Ina's Tabi No Tochuu cover 2 weeks beat Caesura of Despair's views in 6 months.
That should signal something to Irys.

>>16191178
That Ina and Myth in general are at least 10x as popular. I don't think that's inaccurate.

>>16191163
Reminder that the cull was treated as schizo theory even by the fags in this very thread and yet it has happened again and again until most are convinced.
At least at that period there would be no possibility of people on this board logging in their 13 burner accounts to rig a poll.

>>16190849
>Bae's poll a while ago before CCVID had close to 200% in like 11 minutes.
Source?

However that might as well be evidence for the CCVID being earlier than expected and only being noticed now

>>16191218
Yeah, because they just use numbers to shitpost, so they just say muh recline. That's what gave numberfags a bad name.

>>16191218
I think it's mostly shitposters who treat it like that. It's pretty much an open goal, particularly in this thread.

>>16191211
10x is an exaggeration, more like 2x, but Ina and Irys's stream/VOD numbers are actually very close.
Their streaming popularity has nothing to do with music ofc. Towa's music does better than many holomems much more popular than her.

Irys not releasing more "mainstream" music is just a missed opportunity.
Even if she doesn't do well as Myth, she'll be doing better than she's doing now.

>polls are going to be the norm for every stream from now on because the girls want to know how many are really watching
If your oshi doesn't put up a poll she isn't a numberfag.

>>16191360
I think 2x is too low if you consider the mindshare that Myth has in the global vtuber community. Towa gets to show off her singing in various lives throughout the year. I wish IRyS had the same opportunity.

>>16191451
So who hasn't put up a poll yet

>>16191297
EN did get hit harder last year, but there wasn't so much to compare to at the time since it was really just HoloEN as non-2views on the market.
This time around, HoloEN have taken less of a hit and JP (across companies) are the ones getting fucked hard, so maybe there is a rebalancing of sorts at play too.

>>16191297
> CCVID being earlier than expected and only being noticed now
Naw, that's just good ol' 2020 cull. Miscount/inaccurate CCV is nothing new, that's what shit like adblock and tabout theories were.

CCVID is a whole different beast, capable of crippling Pekora and Kuzuha to being sub-10ks and making most Holos not even reach their waiting rooms.

>>16191471
gura

>>16191471
Gura and I don't think she will because she knows the can of worms it will open and it'll force her to realize how many viewers she actually has.

>>16191297
shit sorry mate can't find it, but I distinctly remember that she had a poll that had a greater than 100% poll engagement less than 10 minutes in before the CCVID theory was popularized

>>16191471
gura and i can't remember if ina has done one

>>16191297
>>15170103

Things are improving. Towa got the nike back, she's not getting L'd.

>>16191539
If gura had started a poll on her karaoke then this culling shit would have been on the trending list of twitter.

>>16191613
That might be because, like Fubuki's Pokemon streams, this sort of stream brings in a lot of tourist viewers.

>>16191625
>this culling shit would have been on the trending list of twitter.
You vastly overestimate her reach and her fans' reach.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvuhsTyBkiI
So this is what a normal ccv/vote ratio looks like.

>>16191678
Gura trends pretty regularly when she does big streams tho?
It's not hard to make it into the top 10 during calm days.

>>16191678
Have you not learnt not to bet against hololive numbers

>>16191678
Lol, if the poll has something like 21k Ccv against 60k voting then this shit is going to be trending on twitter. Gura got trended on twitter plenty of time.

I didn't know they were doing a poll but around 100% engagement in 10 mins.

>>16191728
Post a pic next time.
It's almost 100% at 11 mins which is still pretty fucky.

>>16191759

>>16191532
Then sorry anon, I can't believe the assertion. Unless your autism skews that way, memory can be unreliable and even manipulated. I'm not saying it didn't happen. But one element like the date or duration could be easily mistaken

>>16191728
not as bad as hololive with 100% in a minute but still super fucky

>>16191779
We already know Hal is being fucked with since he's said as much.

>>16191759
>10 mins
try 1 min
iirc nene outfit reveal 100% in 1 min

>>16185847
You just made my point. Anyone thinking they reached the top is too myopic. They are entertainers first and foremost. They compete with the likes of Stephen Colbert, Dave Chappelle and Pewdiepie for eyeballs (and to a lesser extent, anime and Hollywood).

>>16191811
It's not Hal's channel.

>>16191819
That anon was saying getting 100% in 10 mins is more "normal" because we've seen so many cases of 100% in 1 min.

>>16191910
>It's not Hal's channel.
Fans are infected, channels are hosts. Hal's fans are infected.

>>16191798
>>16191587
Found it
this was in December 21 which is before the proposed start of the CCVID on christmas

>vtuber fad is starting to die
>youtube algorithm boogeyman is somehow to blame

>>16191952
This shitpost would work if VOD views weren't unaffected, you absolute moron. Go bait in some other generals or make YET ANOTHER bait thread. Faggot.

So why is Gura unaffected much by the cull?

She can still pull 10k+ when those above her before has been reduced to sub 10k streamers.

>>16192020
You're not going to believe me when I say this, but Gura is actually quite popular.

>>16192020
She's EN so she wasn't ripped to shreds right away, and her viewer base is massive.
Like Pekora though it'll worsen and she'll be sub 10k sooner or later

>>16192004
the ship is sinking, just move on already. your copes are starting to become more and more out of touch with reality

>>16192020
her audiance size is just that much bigger. her average uniques is double of most holos. by next week, we might actually see the "floor" of what yt will never mark as "bot" out of her live viewers.

>>16192020
You never found it weird when Gura has a VOD with double the views of another JP VOD that had a higher CCV?

We haven't known what's Gura's real numbers are for a very long time.

>>16192020
Gura is the one hololive member that has never been culled. Not in 2020 and not in 2022

>>16192020
her fans only watch her, they don't have 10 tabs boosting all the jp members streaming so they can inflate jp ccv in their shitty numberfag war.

>16192149
Shitty cope as that didn't work since forever

>>16191942
>Dec 21
I feel that date just makes a case that CCVID was earlier than commonly held. Anons have already theorized that the CCVID AI was bundled together with the update that removed the dislike button in Dec 13. With the Dec 21 date, it seems like that theory might have more truth than originally thought.

>16192177
>the numbers were real before!!!!!

>>16192254
Feel free to post proof instead of posting what the voices in your head tells you

>>16192037
>>16192057
>>16192133
I thought she only has deadsubs. That's what this thread always told me anyway.

>>16192341
Gura is the least impressive holomem, numbers wise.

>>16192341
Remember when this thread handwaved people showing evidence of CCV fuckery early in the cull and attributed it to Pakora/Holiday slumps? This thread is fucking stupid.

>Gura was actually the most popular all along.

I love you sharkie!

>>16192341
Pewd has a mountain of dead subs and he still average 2-3m views per VOD while the holo girls need special event lasting more than an hour to just reach 1m, "dead sub" is just a consolation prize excuse for the less popular to feel better, anon.

>>16192374
Elaborate.

>>16192020
Anon, we just saw her karaoke struggling to get 20k and 3k viewers being flagged in real time

>>16192437
I'm shitposting, that's what
Stop taking every single post here seriously

>>16192207
I don't think CCVID started on the 13th since Gura was still getting normal numbers at that point, she had one bad Minecraft stream but that was way earlier than her normal timeslot and it was a guerilla stream. Her numbers started getting weird at the 28th or so with her Minecraft stream that failed to peak higher than her mk8 stream, but this could also just mean that CCVID was busy infecting everyone first before showing any symptoms

>>16192341
>unironically reading shitposts
Grow a baitpost filter
It'll make your time here more bearable when you find out half the posts aren't even worth skimming.

>>16192383
tbf Pakora is just a handful of shitposters actively trying to ruin the threads every day.
It worked because there would be 10 or so anons who couldn't resist biting, instead of just ignoring the faggots.

So has this thread accepted that EN was culled significantly more during December 2020 and the reason JP is affected more this time is because EN was pre-culled already?

Gura's numbers prove it. Unless there's another theory.

>>16192437
Popular account -> popular account
HER rise to popularity is impressive and so was hololive's, Gura's isn't. Gura is just a result of 2 popular things added together.

>>16192555
This loop again, really?
It's been talked to death please do your reps

>>16192467
>Gura was still getting normal numbers at that point,
It didn't start with Gura though, it started on the other side of the world in the JP vtuber APEX community. Gura is one of the least affected outside of NijiEN males.

Callis graph looking more like an L every day

>>16192555
no this place will never accept that en were ever at a disadvantage because jp is the best

>>16192555
The problem is the first CCV change happened around the same time you'd naturally expect the debut hype for EN to start wearing off, so people would always argue it was natural and not Susan (despite it being a giant sharp drop down in the middle of a gentle downward slope if you plot it on a graph)

Is this an L or a Nike? In any case, it's really starting to accelerate with EN now holy shit

>>16192647
An 11% difference is a decent amount, but eh

>>16192695
Just like this time, the cull wasn't evenly distributed.

Gura was reduced by about 50%.

>>16192383
>Pakora/Holiday slumps? T
Pakora was literally just some retarded spic shitposter that people bit for some reason
Holidays slump could have been a possibility sadly it was just Susan being retarded

>>16192732
anon... the jps were culled even more than Gura this time, that's why comparing CCV right now is a fool's errand

>>16192651
Depends on if she's able to recover. If she's stuck below half of her waiting room, I'd call it an L and say she's missing like, 60-70% of her viewers.

>>16192772
I think she'll eventually regain her waiting room, but it usually only took Mori like 2-3 minutes, not 20.

>>16192753
Yea. When the numbers KEPT DROPPING, I started to think it was some sort of fuckery afoot, but wanted to wait until after new years to be sure.
Lo and behold, the numbers did NOT recover, and the facts were evident that another wacky CCV change had indeed been pushed through.

>>16192732
43%. and wasn't even the worst hit EN % wise

>>16192589
she was doing well as a streamer but only broke 1k on her final stream

>>16192834
We could never know what was the true culling numbers for Dec 2020 as all of this was based on the assumption that the streamers themselves did not incline or recline which is too big of an assumption

>>16192897
I think the point of the table is to discredit the idea that the cull only affected HoloEN.

>>16192764
It was already a fool's errand since the first cull, but didn't stop people from comparing.

>>16192057
That's my thought as well. En vtubers aren't culled that much because they have broader audience for different places around the world.

>>16192993
*from

>robocos graph
the hell what is that sudden bump to 1k and then kicks it back to 400

>>16192589
but then irys and mumei should have been massively successful

>>16191297
>>16191532

>>16193127
Cover did everything they could to smother IRyS in the crib and Mumei was never as popular as HER. Mumei struggled to hit 100 on twitch.

look at those bumps