/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>16132308
1 million views by Monday night /10

>>16132334
Definitely. Might make it to the iTunes charts even.

>>16132308
2nd worse song from myth

>>16132407
They only have two, so it's not saying much.

>>16132379
who the fuck still checks that?

>>16132456
3 and the first one is way better

>>16132308
I don't think any one part makes it outright unenjoyable, but it is weirdly grandiose ballad that doesn't particularly go anywhere. The track needed to get more complex as it went on, not just get louder with a couple electronic elements slapped on top. I can't imagine listening to it after today.

>>16132599
>weirdly grandiose ballad that doesn't particularly go anywhere
Exactly this. Composer tried to fudge a crescendo/progression by just making shit louder and louder instead of thinking about the music theory and melodies behind it.

Bad overly compressed mix but a good J-pop song with a lovely and lyrical, yet slightly melancholic melody. A few awkward lyrics but fewer than Mori's usual, and generally quite focused and heartfelt rather than rambling or corny. Overall the honesty of its sentiment and its songfulness, especially in the chorus, redeem the ultimately minor defects, which would be negligible with a superior remix or performance, and we are likely to get at least one of those eventually. Have already racked up probably double digit plays. 8/10

>>16132599

i'm going to put my tinfoil hat on and say that cover ordered a song for their 3d debut, they have full reign over it but it had to be this specific kind of genre. Everyone was so pressured that it ended it up this way.


that said i'm sure it will a great song to sing live, especially in their 3D debut.

>>16132308
Awful video

>>16132810
They should've hired someone else instead of letting Calli fuck around the 3D camera in After Effects.

>>16132308

>>16132308
It's Mid af. Seems like Farhan getting to ahead of himself getting wild praised from Reflect and MythorTrick

>>16132928
He'll definitely get a bigger ego boost and still be hired after this since this will do massive numbers. More half-assed, compressed-to-shit songs for your favorite chuubas, yaaay!

>>16132890
There was also some weird puppet tool use in the MV that made the drawings squirm. It looked disgusting.

>>16132308
>making a new thread

>>16132308
This is fucking awful and if I catch a holonigger playing this on their car I will drag them out of it and beat them up.

>>16132928
just so you know i think he also worked for gura and mori's original song

>>16133075
>There was also some weird puppet tool use in the MV that made the drawings squirm. It looked disgusting.
This, I don't think she realised art has to be prepared in a way similar to how vtuber model art is to be able to move it you can't just warp an image. Also how does someone who has done animation not know what velocities are, those camera pans were awful.

>>16132308
Wonder what the CCV for first full offcollab for myth will eb.

>>16132918
how many times do i have to listen to death grips to become him?

>>16133121
sure

>>16132308
Why does it look like a Chinese movie poster?

ITT

>>16133175
Someone give her a velocity plugin if she can't be arsed to edit the goddamn graphs in AE.

>>16132308
It's the same generic mediocre JP pop as always. I really wonder how something like Palette or Ghost is created, are they completely different teams? Or even the at least catchy and personality rich JP pop like Ahoy and Nenenenenene. The usual generic drivel almost sounds generated by an AI.

>>16133407
>Has to go to the land of autism to finally seem kakkoi
He’s a schizo about it but he’s not wrong

>>16132308
The autotune rapes my ears but this song makes my oshi happy so I'm glad it exists. Will do everything in my power to avoid listening to it again. 10/10.

Myth or Treat,Ochame Kinou EN> Thousand years,12 days of xmas>Country roads

Why is Diamond City Lights so hard to beat? It’s objectively not even that great and yet still no one can top it.

>>16133644
It's been topped, just not as a big collab song to my knowledge. I personally like Towa's music a lot, like her new FACT song packs a punch for instance. Link for your convenience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc05le75CfI

>>16133505
Ghost was produced by Dream Monster, who has made a number of cuts for a bunch of artists.
http://www.dreamonster.jp/en/
Suisei has also collaborated with Arte Refact as well.
It's either Cover isn't willing to use it's network connections for all of their talents, or that HoloEN decided that what they got was "good enough" for them.

>>16133864
I guess I should’ve specified that I meant EN songs, because I agree that JP has a lot of good stuff

>>16133075
>>16133128
As an indon i fucking hate this mentally so much. Fucker always just good at the beginning. It happened everytime on every occasion ffs

>>16133615
pretty sure she had that specific niche interest for Japanese rap... pretty sure I remember her saying that.

>>16133491
Literally 3 clicks.

>>16134109
It's that mediocrity mentality, and it's all the SEAfags. They think they're the shit when they get an ounce of popularity, and they never bother to improve.

>>16134018
Many EN songs beat it. and Myth or Treat is an original EN song that beats it hands down.

Rating: 7/10 -1 for some lyrical difficulty,-1 for some mixing shenanigans, and -1 for Kiara's section utterly destroying the flow for a portion of the song... should probably be a -2, but I'll be kind.

Unfortunately Thousand Years doesn't have as good a flow as myth or treat, nor is the MV as inspired. The mixing is alright, except for near the ending where it goes off the rails into weird shit at 3:05. Portions of the singing also strain with lyrics too fast. Ame sort of struggles over 'memories' like that, and Kiara's whole section is just trash because of it. Gura almost became guilty for it on the 'to the sea' bit, but her quality carried it. Calli is a bit of a weird choice for the 'love and friends' bit at the end, and the 'pairings they give there are rather... interesting, but i'll accept it as is, and it will provide new content for the lore seeking community to pore over.

While the flow isn't as good as Myth or Treat, its not exactly bad overall, and I think the star power of EN will carry it to a million relatively quickly. Artists and lore seekers will salivate over deriving meaning from the lyrics, though they are somewhat vaguer and less defined than Myth or Treat's. Perhaps its to give it a more 'fantastical' feeling and be more in character with the character lore, but it also makes the song feel a bit more generic. Overall I will consider this song a small success just for the fact that its myth working together on a non-memey original song, and it didn't completely bomb in the mixing or singing department. Farhan should try experimenting less though on the mixing. Go for what works and don't try to 'put your own unique twist' on the works. First build up a reputation for solid mixing. He's had a good start with Reflect and Myth or Treat, don't break it now in arrogance.

I think they'll probably lurk here to see actual opinions, looking elsewhere is pointless due to hugbox status.

Have any JPs reacted to the song?

>>16134723
>doesn't have as good a flow
>Portions of the singing also strain with lyrics too fast.
>>16132599
>it is weirdly grandiose ballad that doesn't particularly go anywhere.
I think these are the cruxes of the song imo, the lyrics being too wordy and clichéd for its own good, and the musical quality of the song suffering from poor composition and mixing. It could have been better, but people will eat it up anyway.

>>16133200
1200 CCV and 74000 likes

i think farhan might be a little hurt from a few of his deleted tweets, probably some nasty ones got in to him

>>16134723
this is good feedback, you should absolutely DM directly to farhan

>>16134723
>the 'pairings they give there are rather... interesting
This paragraph just sounds like you are playing favourites/upset about pairings desu

Looks and sounds like the intro to a low budget Chinese gacha game.

maybe mori should spend more time editing the MV instead of playing jump king

I see that /vt/ couldn't handle an actual good song with some imperfections. If it leaned into it's Inuyasha influence it could've been much better.

>>16132308
Good lord panning around characters in a way that shows they're 2D is such a massive no no, if this was a CB entry there's no way it'd get past the first round.

>>16135374
>I see that /vt/ couldn't handle an actual good song with some imperfections.
It's not that it's a good song with some imperfections, it's just not a good song. Would much rather listen to Suzy, she collaborates with people who actually know what they're doing.

did myth get too much control that they shat out an amateur's work? is cover going to bring the law back?

>>16132308
None of the girls are at their best, but they're also not really bad per se. The music and lyrics are at odds instead of meshing together. 7/10

>>16135441
It's what happens when you get a jack of all trades like Calli. When you do songwriting and motion graphics aside from your streaming career, the quality suffers.

>>16135811
No, they don't give a fuck, it's doing numbers anyway.

>>16132308
bad production vocals all sound single tracked and filtered to mud. for some reason there's no harmonies until the last 10 seconds? i mean the track literally starts to come alive only at the end.
kinda generic whiteweeb anime OST sounding but without actual typical japanese melodies.
lack of fun gimmicks like answer/call, raps, japenglish, ad libs, etc.
its not terrible just like 5/10 and there's a 100 better Holotunes.
but i wish you all the best good day.

>>16135374
>t. low standards

>>16132308
6/10: Better than I expected, but nothing huge.

And as always, I already want to stop the music the moment I hear Kiara's voice.

God when the fuck is she gonna accept that she sounds horrible

why did ina draw gura with a lazy eye?

>ITT: People will be shitting on it because Mori is behind it.

So an anti thread. yes.

If it wasn't for my Oshi's cute part, wouldnn'tlisten/10

https://youtu.be/bcwUoKgjNdE
This one is better roru

>>16138350
More like the worst parts happened to be her contributions aside from her vocals. Everyone's singing and ina's art were business as usual but Cali's lyrics and video weren't great. Mix wasn't fantastic but the guys a literal who

>>16132308
3//10 pretty bad honestly. Autotune and loud bgm killed it. Gura didn't even sound like Gura either and she wasn't even hearable during the group parts.

Was Farhan a one-hit wonder? Reflect was really solid but Myth or Treat is generic le meme shit for redditors and this song is just incredibly dull. Farhan also made a debut song for Reine but I can't remember it for shit.

Still don't like it, but it seems like they were quite emotionally invested in it so I'm pulling my punches.

>>16132308
Many anons will bury me in shit for this but 9/10, I want then to meet

>>16132918
oh nyoo

>>16141613
Emotionally is was a sweet song. Kiara's parts fit her well.

It's a 5/10 song with bad mix at like two tiny albeit annoying parts but the lyrics taking jabs at management are soul and kino. Even if it is musically mediocre long time fans will appreciate its use as a vehicle to express some frustrations of the girls.

>>16142542
>lyrics taking jabs at management
Which ones?

>>16142599
>Made a splash, but found I’m not free…
>A fish out of water, bound to the sea
Could be Gura complaint or referring to her past life
>The longer we wait, the stronger it makes us as we fight every fate
3D, getting to Cover offices taking to long, repeated as the chorus
>If there’s no world for us to touch or to see
>We’ll make it ourselves then make memories!
Having to make all the events themselves with little to no cover support
>At the end of this world… where’s our fighting chance…?
>Nothing’s changing. It’s always the same story staged with a different dance
>Seek out a happy end for me, my friends, and those who’ve loved us up ’till now
Could be just complaining at COVID lockdowns causing all this or Cover taking too long to get work visas when they've had months to try

>>16132308
It's the best EN song so far, it was better than it had any right to be and the fact that /vt/ generally hates it speaks volumes to its quality
I guess it didn't contain enough generic trap beats, 10-years-too-late dubstep wubs and 80lb white girls pretending they're hardened street thugs for the EOP contrarians to be satisfied
The only point I'll concede is that Kiara should tone down the character voice at least in songs

>>16142822

serious question what would EN really do with 3d that makes it worthwhile over live2d? i can't imagine them having dance lessons and performances, or putting on physical comedy shows together like JP.

half of them can barely put effort into regular stream content.

>>16132308
am a myth fan and had to listen twice to make sure I listened correctly and miss nothing.
god that was awful, it's embarrassing really.
am disappointed.
kiara's part totally butchered it. they could've been better.

>>16143696
Mori's bitter ex side was barely hidden

It just sounds like electronic noises to me. It's nice that it's another English song from EN I guess but it's so overly J-Popy and cheesy-sounding.

>>16132308
Disappointing song. I expected better from Calli.

>>16132308
The mixing is awful. I'd much rather just Mori and Gura do music. No idea why Hololive is forcing Ame and Ina of all people.

Why does it sound like shit? It sounds like it was made to sound like shit on purpose, but why? Do they want to torture their fans by making them listen to this shit over and over to boost their numbers? Only Kiara would be into that.

>>16142822
>made a splash but I'm not free
Was the most successful, but is under Hololive's rules.
>a fish out of water, bound to the sea
She feels awkward and like she doesn't fit in, but she now does things for the huge sea that's her fanbase.

>>16134723
>>16134723
>I think they'll probably lurk here to see actual opinions
Nobody comes here looking for constructive criticism, and those that try will be turned away by the first blunt unfiltered comment they see. Realistically, if you want a better chance for holos to see constructive negative feedback then post on leddit, assuming hugbox mods dont prune it first.

>>16132308
Oh my sweet Jesus. That's another proof that nobody from HoloMyth can sing properly.

Why can't they just hire competent producers like Giga or Teddyloid or some shit instead of some literal who seanig.

>loud clusterfuck that drowns out the vocals
I couldn't give less of a shit about the instruments, lyrics, whatever. That is some inexcusable trash. Fucking indog.

Fun song, I rike it, not the best but I'm not a music critic so I can't comment on the mix or whatever
But I will say that the MV is quite bad. They should've outsourced to an actual video editor since Mori still needs some practice in after effects

>>16143617
They've never had someone who could rap before, seeing that in 3D might be interested. I agree with them not going to dance anytime soon, though Kiara might tryhard to salvage her broken dreams of becoming an idol.

>>16149240
>They've never had someone who could rap before
but watame and haachama have rapped in 3d

>>16149313
They've mumbled words, not rapped. Not that Calli is a greater rapper according to US standards, but she can at least perform as a rapper, with the gestures and all.

>>16132308
Sound like a boyband song / 10
But an original song none the less

>>16132308
I hope they won't make another full collab song. each one of them should just keep singing solo or duets at most.

this is a disaster. at least learn from NijiEN on how to make proper full gen songs.

>>16132308
After the premiere I felt a bit sorry for them.
Im sure Myth put their best efforts into this song but it wasn't good, yet the girls were proud of it.
I wonder if no one of them said anything bad about the song during the production.

>>16149240
https://youtu.be/2dl16J8B3Tg
inb4 >MALE
You asked for 3D, was the first thing I could think of

Reminder that we aren't here for 'amazing!' music. We're here for the girls and the stories behind them. Song was cute, MV was meh.

it's like listening to an english dub of an anime opening

3/10 Not sure how an idol company can't make a decent group song. NijiEN somehow has made 4 at least decent group singles. HoloJP has a good amount of great singles too.

Wtf is going on with HoloEN? I'm hoping every new group of every agency gets a debut song because it's a cool concept but dang, stop letting Calli make music and get a real professional.

Just relistened to it, even went back and listened to Country Roads too, 2/10.

>>16151119
yeah there's a reason why companies hire a voice coach and talent being physically there, i hope they learned here and stick to the myth or trick formula of singing one of a time until then

Tried listening to NijiEN's songs and goddamn the mixing are on a whole another level and they're hella catchy too. The lyrics are still cringe though. Seems to be a recurring flaw in EN chuubas' music scene.
This is my favorite
https://youtu.be/MKtFvWL4XoI

>>16132308
It sounds like shit.

>>16154247
And no I'm not a nijinig nor am I shilling their ass but if it's one thing they nailed at, it's in the music department.

>>16133407
Absolutely based

>>16153995
>3/10 Not sure how an idol company can't make a decent group song.
the problem is the concept of an "idol" song. check out american boy bands. that's how holoEN should be doing "group" songs. unfortunately holoEN doesn't have a wide range of singing voices. so instead they do the JP idol style, where they use computers to even out all the vocals to make them all sound about the same.

>>16132308
If you don't like the lyrics I don't know what to tell you. That's weeb music. I haven't heard an english language original song from any major chuuba or agency that doesn't have some element of that. It is what it is.
What's unacceptable is the vocal mixing especially on Kiara. I don't like Kiara's voice normally, but whatever tuning or pitch correction or whatever it was that they used on it made it so much worse. I don't know what they did, but it just sounds unnatural. If you're gonna fuck with it then put in the minimum effort to cover your tracks or don't bother.

>>16154247
gonna give Thousand Years credit where credit is due, at least HoloEN's song actually sounded like it's English.

WTF is this?

>>16135441
It was her messing around on a new laptop before using it for roommate animations she'll actually put effort into

Listened to 2 bars, closed the tab.

Garbage music.

>>16138552
>Literal who
Tourist-chama?

>>16135441
>CB entry
CB entry?

>>16149240
Mori has started dance lessons but those are probably going on hold a bit after her surgery in February. Still expect her to be quite decent by the time 3D actually hapoens

>>16132308
Loud background music and veiled voice which is typical for Farhan. The song sounds busy and all over the place as well. He is either hit or miss with his music. Reine's first original and the ID medley were pretty decent however.

>>16134723
Holy shit nigga I need some of whatever you are smoking

>>16132308
I really don't like how much the music overpowers the vocals at some points.
I like Mori's lyrics, she's trying to describe her experience in Hololive rather than just make generic lyrics.

>>16155710
Chorus Battle, it's an event where weebs get together to cover a song involving making a video/art/mixing vocals etc, people are knocked out every round. It's all hobbyists doing participating but even then most teams still would beat out this video, quite a few would beat out the mixing too.

As a song, it's fine. Given the context, it makes me emotional. I really really like Myth as a group and I am rooting for them.

>>16157713
Ah thanks for the info anon, did not know there was a scene for weeb MVs

>>16157929
It's a rather niche community but it's been around since the late 00s, quite a lot of people have jumped ship to become vtubers/vsingers now though.

bruh! this White girl mori Cannot rap fa shit bruh! Same flow erry Song bruh! She a one Trick pony bruh cant even Get the one Trick she know Right!

>>16133644
It's been topped. It's called Black Out.

>>16158263
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>>16133121
Sure you will buddy

>>16144897
Because Gura can't sing, while Mori can.

>>16132308
Why can't they get a separate mixer who actually knows how to mix and doesn't autotune and edit the shit out of everyone's voice?

It somehow sounded better when Kiara was doing karaoke over top of it with the song volume turned down and a softer singing voice. The song is fine, just the mixing is total shit.


https://youtu.be/s2n1whMUzyY?t=14700

>>16153995
Because all holoen group songs are produced by the same guy, Farhan who clearly only knows how to mix for vocaloid than humans and cover for some reason only wants to hire a literal who instead of reaching out to well known producers for holoen

>>16162038
>COVER
>using anything other than old reliable
>Ever
Temper your expectations. Farhan is here to stay. Shin is here to stay. Their talents, or lack thereof, will never matter.

>>16154247
sounds good, have no idea what they're singing though. it's like listening to 2 drunk scots sharing stories.

>>16162111
i really hope yagoo hire's a music staff soon.

>>16162111
You're right, but it's stupid. They could hire someone good off fiverr and it would turn out fine.

>>16132308
What were they thinking?/10

>>16153995
>4 at least decent group singles
lmao
Black Out is great hand and the other 3 are varyinpg levels of trash.

>>16132308
an uninspired pile of cheap autotune dogshit, below average even for farhan sarasin. i closed the premiere after about 30 seconds and i'll never listen to it again. 1/10

>>16161642
I was pretty surprised by how well it sounded when she sung over it. I guess turning down the actual song made it obvious that the problems are mainly with the mixing. Kiara's actual part still sucks though. It's like someone forgot to count the syllables and respective timing.

>>16162473
and risk a leak? Farhan has proven to be loyal. The only true skill needed

>>16164260
What? Why would there be a risk of a leak? You're not gonna get any return customers like that
>Farhan has proven to be loyal. The only true skill needed
Get this chuuni shit outta here. If you hire a mix engineer, they need to be able to turn in a good mix within a deadline, and be able to work with the client on revisions. That matters more than "loyalty" what the fuck are you even talking about anon. chuuni ass

>>16164888
>I'm not a freelancer, the post
literally more than half of my client base is from recommendations from others. I don't do audio, but I'm sure shit's the same for all freelancers. Your clientele is literally based on trust you can get shit done and you won't break NDA. Fiverr doesn't pay shit and is more to advertise your services and if they ask for more, you charge your actual rate you can live off of.

>c-chuuni!
do that ad hominem plebbit shit if you must, that doesn't change reality that companies stick with people they know and you need an "in" through networking.

>>16165558
anon, i'm pretty sure that comment about fiverr was a hyperbolic comment on how dire hololive's music production situation is, not a literal suggestion.

>>16165597
Yea, its pretty bad, but my point stands no one in industry just picks up random people. Especially for big projects with NDA or Clearance. You need to network and get recommendations, especially if you're a freelancer.

>>16165558
>>16166370
My point was that Cover could probably skip the networking since there are talented people with good reputations who want to work with them. I don't think that's unreasonable, even if it isn't common. Mori has done it a few times. Damn near all my clients have come through recommendations, but there have been a few times where people randomly found me.