/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Ina during outfit reveal
>Look at all these patterns, it's gonna be real hard to draw
>it's gonna take some real patience for the fanart
>I suggest you guys just not even try to draw them
>does the cover for the new album with the new outfit
Did she play as the jobber for her own self?

5 minutes

Wait a minutes its a bop

It's pretty average but if you know the context of covid and them unable to meet irl it's really emotional.

11/10 song

Encompasses a lot of their path to get to Hololive and their time in Hololive.

Hurry the fuck up with EN 3D

Holy autotune

autotune is real with this one

not my thing personally,
vocals too distorted and the lyrics too chuuni
however it's clear real effort went into it and I am happy to support them for more projects

it alright

mv was more like a slideshow lol

>>16112795
wow

Lyrics about hardship despite their whole career being instant success. Seems disingenuous.

>>16112641
Can't as long as Japan closes its borders to outsiders due to Covid

Okay who the fuck is this fargan dude? Motherfucker is everywhere in myth? HoloEN allow pakis now?

It's alright. Not the best Gen original song but it works well.

>>16112918
That struck me as well. Since when has Myth experienced ANY hardship? They debuted with a silver spoon in their mouths.

>>16112918
It's even funnier with Ina because she gets to maintain the lifestyle she was depressed about and later criticized.

>>16112982
Me. I also fucked them all btw.

>>16112918
Not, it's lyrics about desperately wanting to be together because right now they can't. Are SEANiggers this stupid?

>>16113089
I mean being a streamer and having to constantly deliver for over a year is probably pretty difficult. I just consume consume consume so I can't say shit.

>>16113233
>constantly deliver
The only EN who even comes close to the average JP output is Kiara.

>>16110560
The chorus feels a bit disappointing. Could have used higher pitch and more energy.

>>16110560
wow its really really fucking bad....

The music overpowers the vocals too much, I think.

>>16113187
>Are SEANiggers this stupid?
Do you REALLY need to ask this?

>song about how much they like eachother and want to overcome the physical distance between each of them
>"wow these bitches really singing about how hard their lives are"

Man you guys are retarded

>>16112918
Oh look, a dipshit who thinks what they do is easy

>>16110560
who's the mixer? farhan?

dogshit. jsut stick to full japanese or jap/eng.

not good, it feels like different songs put into a larger one.

More auto tune these niggers don't learn.

>this song
so this is the power of entire Myth huh...comparing it to sankisei group song and its pretty shit

>>16113477
They're all garbage streamers who put minimal effort into the craft. I genuinely feel sorry for any EOPs still stuck with myth because they're subpar in every way compared to JP

>>16113233
They stream significantly less than the majority of the JPs. Only fucking council and Ayame trail behind them.

>>16110560
Alright, time for an honest unsubversive opinion from a non vtuber consoomer:

It's generic and cringe. Far too optimistic. Or rather, the tone seems mismatched with the reality of many people's lives. I think I'll like the JP version better. They will release a JP version, correct? Just to be clear, that's a rhetorical question. I expect the release of a JP version within two weeks. Get to work, even if streams need to be canceled or postponed.

>>16113548
>mori and ina admit that this was a last minute cram
pls undastand

>>16113590
ogey mr pretend japanese

>dude what if excess autotune and ridiculous reverb still drowned out by the music
Fuck this guy

>>16113187
Yes, yes they are...
Why do you think people here are unironic about being Gura anti

>>16110560
EN are idols?

>>16113089
>>16112918
>the only hardship Myth constantly cry about is how they can't wait to meet each other in person and finally hug
>only ones who have been able to meet are Calli and Kiara, and even that was well over a year ago now since Kiara got shipped off to be the only Holo in Europe
>now there's six more girls where (other than Calli and Irys) they've also been unable to meet
>this date keeps getting delayed constantly because China Coof and governments going full Madagascar by closing their borders
>Calli, the song writer, just had to spend the holidays in Japan alone because all her travel plans to see her family in America got cancelled so she's feeling extra isolated
>main lyrics of the song are how it's taking a "thousand years to meet"
What hardships do you morons THINK this song is about? Numbers, Country Roads, and being bullied one time in Among Us?

>>16113548
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7cpjmkc1Rw
kanata > mori

>>16113477

some streamers do have it easy as fuck but these guys do have projects going on in the background

>>16113590
>Ame
>low effort
Oggay

>Mori did the lyrics and the MV.
>Puts herself dead centre
What a fucking bitch! That's Kiara's spot!
t. KFP

The song is nice enough on paper, but delivery got fucked up by a bad use of Autotune. Some of the words flat out sound distorted outside of Gura and Mori's sections.

>>16113733
this is the funniest shit you people say btw. Literally makes no sense but its the only cope you can have

>>16113839
it's just unicorns projecting because en doesn't have gfe

>>16113590
>>16113590
>>16113590
>>16113590
>>16113590
>AMELIA WATSON
>LOW EFFORT
LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

>>16110560
Whut? A millenial whoop? In Hololive song?!?!

>>16113774
Hololive is idol group?

>>16113590
Damn dude. It is unhealthy to bear a grudge for that long. With that said, go back to
>>>/jp/

>>16113874
>fans make you 3D assets and backgrounds for free
>just start the stream
c r e a t i v i d a d

>>16113089
Kiara does, but it’s largely self-inflicted

>>16113187
> blame SEAniggers
Only chinks hate EN dude

>>16113590
>t.last samurai

>>16112734
I can't even hear them sometimes. Who mixed this shit?

>>16113957
>Hey guys it's another boring gimmick VR Chat stream SO CREATIVE

>>16113997
If those are fans where are the sketchfabs?

>>16110560
Let's be honest. This is, unfortunately, an overproduced crap. I can't imagine anyone with a working year liking that song.

>>16113784
There's nothing stopping Mori from hanging out with the JP Hololive girls other than her overwhelming autism. I've always said it would do her a world of good to get out of her bubble and socialize more with her senpais.

Im so mad right now, why cover dont give anything to HoloID, they dont have anything new meanwhile HoloEn have everithng new outfit, songs merch etc

I find the instrumental to be messy. I'm trying to pick out individual tracks besides the drums and bass and I just can't.
Of course the autotune hurts more than it helps, but honestly my controversial opinion: The best part of the song is Kiara's "rapping" section, I like how her voice sounds when it's autotuned to death (and I think she's a good singer normally), it has a vocaloid kind of sound to it and that was the catchiest part of the song.

>>16114160
yes it is
but we can ALL AGREE in one thing.
As long as Mori is not singing RAPPING SHIT, her performance is outstanding.
Mori leaving rapping when?

>>16113925
Only Gura and Mori can sound good without auto tune

>>16113784
>Calli, the song writer, just had to spend the holidays in Japan alone
>JPs still hang out despite coof shit
>goes for a smoke with a whore instead
yeah don't try to make her look helpless

Just like others said, the vocals are butchered by the instrumentals. Kinda shitty mixing.

>>16114275
No, I prefer she raps instead of sing high pitched songs. However, if she did more singing in lower pitches that would be awesome

>>16114246
IDs have deadweights. Myth's members all are powerful.

>>16114229
sure. and always be the outcast because not being japanese.

>>16110560
there will be a lot of tears before, during and after the 3D performance of this.

>>16113784
>Calli, the song writer, just had to spend the holidays in Japan
Abloobloo it must be so hard living the dream of every otaku on /vt/. I too would be so depressed to be able to sit around playing vidya all day in Japan, bumming around podcasts and then spending the holidays with a decently fuckable gaijin hunter instead of wallowing forever alone in my neetdom. Truly, Mori Calliope is an incredibly sympathetic figure compared to all the weebs who will never get the chance to so much as visit Japan. Let me go fetch the world's smallest violen so I can learn it in 5 minutes and play a shitty rendition of unravel.

>>16113925
Only Ame and Ina need slight autotuning but for every song, even the fucking Christmas carol, they go full retard and pitch everyone to a fucking ridiculous degree.

>>16110560
i can't wait for the 3D debut next year

>>16114271
>I find the instrumental to be messy. I'm trying to pick out individual tracks besides the drums and bass and I just can't.
That's 99% of modern J-pop.

>>16113590
ywnbj

>>16114432
She's met several JP members at the Hololive office and they've all fawned over her. She'll be fine even if her nihongo is not jouzo. The most important thing for her is that she stops hanging out with Connor and Sydsnap

>>16113477
Wtf?

Hololive members as streamers have it EXTREMELY fucking easy. Have you seen what normal, non-org streamers actually need to do in order to succeed? Stream every single fucking day, stream to empty chat, stream as 2view for half of your life, pander to the lowest of the low to get exposure, collab with people you dont care about and build contacts with people you dont actually care about and then maybe succeed but it all goes to shit when twitch/youtube just decides to ban you for something stupid and they wont care shit because you aren't part of some major org or big enough that people care about that you are gone.

Compare it to holomems they need to uuh...pass the audition? They dont even need to do that if they know Ina irl. Fuck off.

Seeing you people defending ENs lazyness is fascinating. Where does it come from? Do you really want to fully be part of the hololive experience by pretending the EN side branch is equal to JP in what they do so you will tell yourself it is that way despite reality being the exact opposite? How long are you gonna defend the girls not caring about hololive and taking this shit as a easy cash grab?

If you people would actually do something else than mindless simping, the girls would actually put an effort and EN would be saved, but noooo.

>>16113547
surprise surprise, the autotune's obvious only on the part of when the ones who can't sing started opening their mouth

it's definitely a twerkable tune

>>16114432
Bitch, asians love white people, like why do you think they do plastic surgery to make their eyes bigger.

>>16114432
Nigger if she had a problem with that she wouldn't be in japan to begin with.

>>16113784
>main lyrics of the song are how it's taking a "thousand years to meet"
my problem with this is who the fuck in the modern world isn't suffering from the same shit? Themes should be relatable, something you aren't going through but can understand.
Having a problem so global just irks bitchy-ness; like "I am also going through the same shit, you don't see me singing about it"

>>16113784
>Calli, the song writer, just had to spend the holidays in Japan alone because all her travel plans to see her family in America got cancelled so she's feeling extra isolated
Oh nyooo....if only she had 20+ coworkers/friends who would be completely fine with having her over just to talk and have tea and have stated multiple times that they want to spend more time with her in general

Every NijiEN song destroys this lol

>>16114661
Calli's voice is the least autotune-raped sounding but it still sounds like a robot.

HoloMyth wasn't expected to do remotely as well as it has. Hololive basically overnight had an experimental "ehhh might grow into something" project abruptly shatter multiple records on youtube and get comparable numbers to their most established and hardest working streamers. They've been trying to restructure all their shit to handle was was basically their businessdoubling overnight and its also been a bit of a bombshell in the realm of english vtubers who would otherwise have been almost exclusively dominated by Vshojo.

So believe it or not Myth has actually had a fair amount of hardship behind the scenes. Hololive is gradually catching up to the runaway success and is getting better and providing for them, but in the beginning their abrupt popularity basically meant they were on their own in a lot of ways and some of that is reflected in this new song.

That sudden popularity also means theres a lot of pissed of fans of other groups in these threads talking mad shit.

>>16114229
and JPs replace her Myth friends how?
she wants to meet the girls
Gura, Ina, Kiara and Ame

>>16114661
>the autotune's obvious only on the part of when the ones who can't sing started opening their mouth
It's obvious for all of them. They sound like fucking Vocaloids.

The only thing I don't like about the song is the somewhat excessive vocal processing. The production style is very J-pop and the chorus melody is more long and lyrical than short and catchy, which are two things that might alienate some people, but I like those things. I mostly found it very moving as a fan of Myth.

>>16114661
The whole track is not exactly what I would call listenable

>>16114661
Gura doesnt even sound like Gura.

>>16112734
>>16114109
same problem. The vocals get too drowned out to actually evoke any meaning.

>>16114826
>SHE'S SPENDING TIME ALONE
>she can hang out with other people
>BUT HOW DO THEY REPLACE THE OTHERS
are you retarded

>>16114786
>OH GOD WE'RE SO SUCCESSFUL IT HURTS
>LOOK AT HOW PAINFUL ALL THIS SUCCESS IS
>YOU CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL ON DAY ONE OF YOUR NEW JOB
Mori please, you're just making it worse.

>>16114229
>>16114356
You really don't see the difference between going home to see your family that you haven't seen for a year; and going out for a meal with any workmates who are hopefully free over the Holidays to hang out with you when you've got nothing better to do?

>>16114368
agreed they should have hired the same guys in gura and mori's king cover.

>>16114738
>my problem with this is who the fuck in the modern world isn't suffering from the same shit? Themes should be relatable, something you aren't going through but can understand.
>Having a problem so global just irks bitchy-ness; like "I am also going through the same shit, you don't see me singing about it"

nigga, that's peak Mori derangement syndrome my dude
>sing about something relatable
>I want to meet close friends in person but covid is a thing
>that's TOO relatable, bitch

How much autotune did ame require for this song?

>>16114751

is Cali's japanese actually good?

>>16114786
Sorry but that analysis is just wrong. Being an overnight success doesn't excuse all of the bullshit that management has done (or rather not done) more than 1 year after the fact

>>16114983
Not even N4 level.

>>16114738
are you new to the music industry?

>>16113089
yes and no, they didn't expect to explode as they did, Amelia's goal was to reach 100K subscribers, she did in a couple of hours IIRC, the girls were taken by surprise.

>>16114885
made a nigga tear up ngl

>>16114738
>themes should be relatable but not really

>>16114962
you got me there.
The line between "understandable" and "bitch, I'm in the same boat you ain't special" is very blurry.
But for me it goes to the latter for this song.

>>16114885
>The production style is very J-pop
That is one of the main problems with this song

>>16114842
>They sound like fucking Vocaloids
I mean

>>16114980
They had to give her a triple dose. The injection site was sore for days afterwards.

>>16115197
I love Kiara vocaloid, she should make more songs that way

>>16113600
Ayame is honorary EN. Shion is coming close too.

>>16110560
Alright cool, I'll never listen to this again.

i would take the vax over hearing this a second time.

>>16113291
people talk shit about Kiara but she is the one that I can actually give respect when it comes to working despite being the least popular

>>16115161
Not to me.

>>16110560
Wow, that's... bad.

>>16115197
dang, good detective work my dude. That explains so fucking much . I was wondering who tf Farhan was

>>16115197
Well that explains it.

>>16115383
Shit taste is curable, I'm sure you'll make it, anon

Mori has no typography sense, that MV looks wack

>Hololive EN
>MVs try to be Japanese
>songs try to be Japanese

>>16114615
Based Nousagi

>>16115511
It'd be fine, even preferable if they didnt make such a bad effort

song fucking sucks. weird lyrics, bad music, slideshow MV. art and effects look good, that's about the only nice thing I can say about it

>>16115372
Just sign the waiver that forfeits your rights to legal action should you suffer from any experimental side-effects.

>>16115511
More like EN is desperately trying to appeal to JP fans who are stubborn and don't watch EN as much as EN fans watch JP hololivers

>>16115664
JP livers don't sing songs about how bad they have it, because they're humble enough to know how good they have it.

>>16110560
Why can't Cover hire a bunch of musicians and a decent composer to make a good listenable song? Surely they have money to pay actual musicians, why do they keep shitting out abominable EDM crap?

>>16115664
what about
>us
EN fans that watch EN hololivers? i don't care about JP

>>16115048
Imagine living there for so long and not even having a gradeschoolers level of nip vocab.

>>16115511
Holo live was always made for weebs, they make weeb shit for their weeb public

>>16115843
what you want to listen to? Them rapping?

https://twitter.com/FaaatSaw/status/1474356939861606402
he can't even properly mix small shit like this
get rid of this hack

>>16115806
they let the girls free reign on this one

even for the bum singers like ame I think the autotune just does more harm than good, ultimately.

>>16115906
>rap is the only type of Western music

>>16115906
MythOrTreat was better, so....yea,

>>16115854
Anon, I fear that there is a huge chunk of people even here that have never watched anime, waching EN. Dunno how these people exist but they do.

>>16115382
I don't enjoy her yet I agree. She's the most professional EN alongside probably Irys. Mori seems to be also putting in some effort lately.
The rest are different Ayame flavors.

>>16114777
They'll never top Diamond City Lights and Wish of this Songbird.

I don't watch them anymore, got bored of them an moved on

>>16115995
You want a Katy Perry song? What the hell you want? Dunno what mutts like

>>16115920
gura sure love sabotaging herself like choosing rhombus man and farhan

>>16116087
Who do you watch now?

you can really tell by playing it at .75 speed

>>16115806
It's because they hire qualified people. In clown world, qualifications are a sign of incompetence.
>>16115843
You're taken for granted. Huge kek.
>>16115848
Opportunities are usually always wasted in those who don't appreciate them.
>>16115906
Something I can headbang, play the air guitar to, and sing along with like this:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=kMdXDTF_mfM

Women sang it so Myth can't use the women can't be hotblooded excuse. That's just a cope for not having tiger blood.

>>16116112
NTA, but I am confused by these people too. My expectation for this was a warm, lush idol song with an attractive melody and lyrics relevant to my girls, and that's what I got. Baffled by these people.

>>16116286
>hello fellow anons

Tough crowd, huh?

>>16116011
Watching vtubers while not watching anime/not into otaku culture has to be a new kind of mental illness... Holy shit EN indeed brought a wave of western normies into this.
EN was a mistake,

>>16116353
To be fair, did Myth actually ask the crowd beforehand what the crowd wanted, or did Myth just go off on its own to make something and then expect it to be well received?

>>16116340
4chan is not one person.

>>16116456
I'm only talking about /vt/ LOL you guys have sand in your assholes

>>16116495
No, but Reddit is.

it's... okay? i guess?

>>16116562
Ah, it's the /v/ fallacy. Carry on.

>>16116495
/vt/ is one person and I'm him. We've already met. Maybe ask next time if you'd like to make something for the audience rather than just yourselves.
>>16116530
Where do you think this is?

>>16116456
Bro calm down. This song is well received regardless of how many people in /vt/ hate it.
And what were they supposed to do? post a survey and make a song based on what random retards say they want?

>>16116112
Where do you live? It certainly isn't Japan.

>>16115141
>literally what horror is.
If it's too close but not quite - it becomes alien.

>>16116402
Its only gonna get worse from here on anon. Hold on tight.

>>16116530
Don't act like you're better when you're here crying about negativity.

>>16116650
>This song is well received regardless of how many people in /vt/ hate it.
We don't care about numbers here.
>And what were they supposed to do? post a survey and make a song based on what random retards say they want?
It wouldn't be approved by management, but twitch plays pokemon was fucking hilarious because a bunch of retards fighting with each other makes for a kino trainwreck.

All I can gather is MORI BAD

>>16116663
Northern Europe

What a horrible font choice. Avatar looking shit.

>>16116650
>This song is well received regardless of how many people in /vt/ hate it.
Normie croud is used to consuming crap, no surprise here

Not willing to listen to the opinions of anyone unwilling to post their collage for last month.
For the record, I enjoyed this song.

Will anything top Diamond City Lights as the best EN full gen song?

>>16116891
>Schubert
>Brahms
>Wagner
>fucking Mozart
Neck yourself

>>16116961
shut up nijinigger

>>16116891
People who autistically keep track and post about what kind of music they've listened to are the EXACT kind of /mu/faggots you should not listen to.

>>16116981
Further proof that Mozart is underrated.

>>16116891
My collage is literally just Black Put, Burning My Soul, Cross, Perfect Triumph, Journey Through the Decade (Girls ver) and Inside Out (both versions).

>>16116961
Black Out was kino, it had edge

>>16116569
"hey management we made a song! can we release it?"
compared to
"yo make a song for cover here's the money."

I agree the mix is bad but the lyrics of the song literally shitting on Cover and management is completely based and makes the song at least an 8/10.

>>16113089
>Since when has Myth experienced ANY hardship?
>t. never watches Myth
Your opinion is invalid

>>16117259
We're they? I didn't even listen to the song. Lyrics don't matter if I don't like the jam. Maybe I'm an outlier, maybe not.

>>16116812
Then why are you acting like you've only heard two genres of music?

>>16116817
PAPYRUS

>>16116891
You haven't listened to any of these. Not even Sparks.

>>16117334
spotted the European

hoping for a better euro vision for this year

>>16117334
>The longer we wait
>The stronger it makes us,
3D taking too long
>Made a splash but found I'm not free
>A fish out of water, bound to the sea
Permissions/management gay
>If there's no world for us to touch or to see
>We'll make it ourselves, then make memories
Have to make all the fucking content ourselves with no help
>At the end of this world
>Where's our fighting chance?
>Nothing's changing, it's always the same story
>Staged with a different dance
Excuses and laziness both from governments locking travel down and Cover being too lazy to get work visas.

>>16117377
Because the vast majority of EN audience are mutts and I genuinely think mutts listen to black rap music and pop music all the time so when they are crying about music I imagine they want to listen either of those.

Its not about what I know, its about what mutts know.

>>16117455
Try me. If you like I can give you my favourite recording recommendations for most of Brahms' major works. BTW, of those versions of Reger's Mozart Variations, the best one is Blomstedt with the Staatskapelle Dresden in my opinion.

>>16117609
You flatter my burgerly self.

Regardless, I'm using the excuse of feedback on what music genres myth should consider to colonize this thread in the name of tokuchads. Again, Myth can't complain because the singers are women.

じゃんじゃんばりばりだぜ!

https://youtube.com/watch?v=CIrj4ye6LfI

>>16117671
Wow look at us, we're suffering here omg

our oshis are doing it boys they're building the 1000 year reich

>>16114949
>Haven't seen for a year
she was with her mom like 2 months ago anon.

>>16117686
obsessed
now is the part where you cry mutt regardless of where i am lol

>>16117686
That's kinda stupid, Anon.

What's /mu/'s opinion on this song

>>16117686
>ranting about mutts
Post your hand with a timestamp. Let's see how white you are.

>>16117686
1000 bucks says this dude has no chin

>>16118293
Now look what you did. You scared it off.

>>16118211
Who knows. I'd say myth should go ask them, but if they're not weebs then maybe the reception won't be any better.

The ultimate question is "who is this song even for?" It's not for /a/, /m/, or /jp/, and that s where a number of /vt/ posters hail from given the nature of Vtubers. Some hail from /v/, but a lot of /v/ is Japanese vidya anyway.

Products ought be made with a purpose and target demographic in mind. Otherwise you're just expecting praise for doing whatever you want without consideration for others.

Also posting more rider girls because they're positive role models for aspiring idols.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=vBs15uxswDs

not the biggest fan of the song itself but goddamn ina knocked it out of the park with the art for this one, will probably watch again just for that

>>16116225
based and Rider-pilled.

>>16118211
"YOUR SONG IS SHIT, anyway have you heard about MY song? check it out here: "

>>16118130
>>16118206
>>16118293
>>16118538
you are prooving me right btw, seeing how no one answered the original question

>>16118953
>prooving
Ah, it's a self-hating minority.

>>16118953
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_music_genres_and_styles
Still waiting on that hand too

>>16118647
>who is this song even for?
i'd say for their fans, and for themselves
sure, vtubers are, at the end of the day, a business
but there's nothing wrong with doing something that isn't meant to attract new fans
if you do enough mental gymnastics, it's almost like a form of gatekeeping, and considering how many things these days are seemingly being ruined in the name of making them accessible to a wider audience, that's not necessarily a bad thing

>>16117686
Perhaps the majority of the American general audience is but not the American weeb audience and not the global EN weeb audience.
Oh, and go back to /pol/ you faggot.

>>16115995
Unironically true, twerking atop the ruins of Western civilization.

>>16119198
The question was what YOU what to listen. Not listing every genre there exists.

I dont live in a country where people need to proof how white they are because it is given and I wont do it now either.
Also no one proofs they are white by showing their hand, wtf
>>16119130
what does that even mean

fuck you niggers, I liked it

>>16119378
need to stop referring to the USA as "western civilization"

>>16119625
>need to proof how white they are
Ohhhohoho, you are definitely not white.

>>16118825
To be fair, his song would probably be better.
>>16119130
To be fair, I'm white and hate wypipo's addiction to cuckoldry and ethnic suicide. We all hate our own kind on some level, for this reason or that.
>>16119217
OK, then if it's not for us there's no need to post a thread about it here. Problem solved.

Oh, and now I'm gonna just haul off and annihilate myth with the おらおらおらおらおらおらおらおらおらおらおらおらおらおら of song posts, without even taking my mobile gloves off just so they know they got blown the fuck out and completely disgraced by a phoneposter literally shitposting right now.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LiJBEm9v5Nw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=32b9lqy7vJ0
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc05le75CfI
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6VGkeUaX-zk

親切音楽課教!

>>16119963
this post is extremely gay and you should transition

>>16119963
Watame is precious

>>16119625
ignore him pablo
I believe you're white

>>16119963
this post is extremely straight and you should keep doing what you are doing

i still think ame should stick to okayu's style of singing

>>16119963
>OK, then if it's not for us there's no need to post a thread about it here. Problem solved.
i do have more to say, but since you claim to be leaving and shitposting, i won't take up anymore of my own time

>>16119963
Based white jojo enjoyer and music connoisseur.

>>16120078
Holy projection.

>>16120197
and what style is that if you don't mind me asking

>>16110864
Ina is a professional most fan artist are not, so yeah her claims are within reason she is saving artist grief and time better spend on getting their fundamentals up to her level

>>16120374
Not him, but I assume he means this.

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-dBuiFUY9beprMeQdntwBMKuHjBUvHhe

Okayu isn't some siren voiced musical genius. But she still tries to modulate her voice and sing sweetly. Ivd guess that's what he means.

>>16116353
kek this place is always wrong with it comes to music so it's probably a good sign.

>>16121246
Those who can't take criticism and double down on mistakes wind up having a harder time learning and improving.

>>16113784
>Implying that it's so so so sad for these girls to not constantly hang out with their coworkers physically.
Do they literally not have ANY friends at all? Do they get that broken up about not having line of sight on these people constantly? They're their coworkers, not their long lost sisters. All I've seen this whole time is people posting on the internet they're thankful they don't have to go to the office every day and they make an entire SONG about not using their webcams to look at each other? Women are so melodramatic.

Hey, a new song just got released that is getting massive amounts of positive feedback!! Pick the reaction that bitter faggots on /vt/ will have!

>1. Too much autotune
Yes, bitter faggots on /vt/ love to say this even if minimal amounts of autotune, that would be found in any other song, are present. If there is one note of autotune detected they must say "The entire song sounds like soulless robots!!!"

>2. "Bad Mixing"
Yes, this is one that the bitter faggot says about every single song that comes out. The funny thing is that the bitter faggot has no idea what constitutes good or "bad" mixing or even what mixing is in most cases. Crazy I know!

>3. What a Shitty Genre!!
It doesn't matter what genre the song is, the bitter faggot will hate it!! Amazing, the bitter faggot is so versitle! Rap? JPOP? Idol POP? Electronic/Dance? Classical? I could go on and on but it wouldn't really matter. EVERY GENRE SUCKS!!!

This was just a quick study of the bitter faggot in the wild. They tend to be aggressive when Hololive releases new music and you will have to be safe around them. Just look out for any of the above complaints because they are the ones you will be hearing for every single song that comes out.

Be on the look out for the mutated for of the bitter faggot who for some reason loves every song that comes out from HoloJP but hates everything by HoloEN. Its really a miracle how cleanly it breaks along those lines. We call this mutated for "The Last Faggurai".

>>16121312
>Continue doing what they're doing, which has been extremely succesful so far
>Listen to the opinions of 100 whiny losers on a containment board
hmmm...

If you got criticism for them, post it in the comments section or send a email to their manager.
None of them are coming here to see what the audiophiles of /vt/ think about the song.

>>16121587
>opinion of 100 whiny losers
More like 1 loser samefagging, lol.

>>16114842
It is still less autotune when they fuck Watame's voice in official mv's, holy fuck the butchering of her voice by that stupid program

>>16121464
ogey

>>16121316
In their defense, Hololive IS about gen unity. And this IS partly Cover's fault for picking disparate randos and then failing to sending black suits to kidnap and relocate them into a single location. But complaining about it instead of taking the initiative is pathetic and lazy. As any man knows, sometimes you just gotta roll up your sleeves and solve your problems yourself.
>>16121464
seethe
>>16121587
>Continue doing what they're doing, which has been extremely succesful so far
And yet Myth still isn't satisfied. Why might that be?
>Listen to the opinions of 100 whiny losers on a containment board
Which they browse willingly while knowing full well the general attitudes towards certain things.
>If you got criticism for them, post it in the comments section or send a email to their manager
I don't care about helping myth. I just love shitposting. Making best use of the talent is a manager's job, and manager's get paid. I don't. This is solely for my own amusement. And I'd imagine other anons feel the same. Imagine expecting people to work for free.
>None of them are coming here to see what the audiophiles of /vt/ think about the song.
Already debunked.
>>16121653
Yes, I'm all /vt/ and using a man machine interface in conjuction with over nine thousand proxies. I believe we've already met.

>>16121653
...and you've been arguing with that one guy the entire time?
schizo

>>16121464
>Be on the look out for the mutated for of the bitter
You were seriously slapping this out as fast aa you could, huh? Rumao. Settle down.

>>16122363
Oh fuck, you just gave me troll's remorse. I didn't realize myth was literally crying right now.

Shit, now I feel like kind of an asshole. I mean, I am, but I thought we were all having a good time shitposting in jest.

Look, Myth, I think you should give 4chan a rest for a bit and take some mental health days. Maybe hang around some hugboxes like reddit and youTube and twitch and discord and facebook and anywhere but here. I think your manager should probably mandate it.

Considering the work Calli has done in the last, this MV was complete trash. It looks like it was made in PowerPoint and sprinkled with word art.

>>16122057
>As any man knows
I think that's the problem, yeah. To others it sounds all cute any touchy-feely but I have the "then do something about it or shut the fuck up" kind of mentality when it comes to my problems, so this song just makes me think subconsciously that they're whining. I think they'd be better off trying to get proper detailed 3d models that can be used in vrchat and making a room or several they do zatsudans together with whenever they want to hang out. Spend the money they used on this on that and it'd be fine. They could probably just crowd source the models too, I know there are plenty of model-fags who'd make them for free for their "oshi".

>>16122657
pick a side and stick with it dude

>>16110560
Holy fuck, this song is pure dogshit.

Diamond city lights is a fuck ton better. Why the fuck did they use auto tune for some parts of the myth song

>>16121464
Imagine liking the song and still coping and seething about it
Get a grip dude, all of the complaints you listed are pretty legitimate. #3 maybe less so because a genre is a genre but still.

>>16121464
reddit the post

>>16122801
Nope, I'm done. I yield. I came into this thread to dunk on people, not make the entirety of HoloMyth sit in a dark room crying. Sometimes a man needs to know when to pull his punches. Anyway, I think I've made my point.

Honestly, way better than IRyS new song

>>16122854
>all of the complaints you listed are pretty legitimate
Maybe for this song but the anon that posted that post also isn't wrong. You hear that shit in every single song thread posted after a new song comes out, lol.

>>16122996
You made zero points and it only makes you look retarded my dude. Legitimate complaints should not cause you to have an autism attack

>>16110560
This waveform is exactly how i feel about the mastering and mixing
just feels like a fucking wall of noise

>>16123189
Well yeah, this time the complaints are pretty on point. Shit happens, I guess

>>16123189
maybe nobody would bring up autotune if every single song didn't clearly have an unnecessary amount of it

>>16113590
https://youtu.be/K7TCFkdFr6g

>>16121464
based

>>16123878
samefag

>>16122918
I have never read a good post with the word reddit in it

>>16110560
Why are their voices always so heavily processed and autotuned, it's also on the christmas song and to some extent the ochame kinou, is it to disguise the fact that ame can't sing?

>Song sounds like shit at parts and you can barely hear the vocals over the blaring fucking EDM beat
>"NO YOU CANT SAY THAT IT'S NOT REAL CRITICISM"

ogey autismo

>>16123963
cope

>>16124100
anyone one can change the page coding, you're not fooling anyone

>>16123974
What a coincidence, neither have I

>>16124259
thanks for coping

16124469
you're still not fooling anyone

>>16124505
meant for >>16124469

16124550
thanks for the (You)

>>16124259
It's not even hard to do if you have 4chanX or various other apps that let you set (You)s at whim

>>16123169
Anything is

Fact: Myth has zero good songs. You can tell the corporation has no faith in their ability to perform anything, it's why they have to do all this on their own while JP gets whole concerts and professional help. They really should completely give up on music entirely and just stream Reddit content that EOPs love.

>>16125489
genuine ignorant question here
does JP have anyone like calli who writes their own lyrics?

>>16119229
But the context was someone saying they don't like Japan and want the girls to make mutt music and then getting upset about the suggested genres of mutt music. I mean what the fuck does he want if not rap or pop or anything Japan-influenced? Gregorian chant? Industrial metal? Free jazz?

>>16125817
Azki
A-chan
Roboco
Watame

off the top of my head

>>16125909
I'd really like to hear a sympho metal or a jazz influenced song. Anything that is played by actual humans, instead of crappy EDM.

>>16125909
Some metal or jazz pop like some of suisei's songs would be nice actually. Or prog rock

Myth or Treat was better than this honestly by a huge margin. Hololive is mostly not good at songs outside of gimmick ones like Myth or Treat or a few good vocaloid covers that weren't necessary but enjoyable anyway. However, because I watched the collab stream that led to this I can support the idea and hope for its success but I'll never listen to it again. I don't know how people pretend to enjoy this but I guess with enough emotional investment you can convince yourself of anything.

>>16125909
Terrible bait. Try harder next time

>>16125916
okay
and do they contribute as much to the actual song as calli seems to? going off of the youtube descriptions it looks like calli has a large contribution to her song-making process, and just gets outside help for the mixing side of things

>>16126077
I've already listened to this more than Myth or Treat, which felt somewhat like an affectionate shitpost and not very cohesive as a song. This is much more melodic and attractive.
>>16126189
NTA, but how the fuck is that bait? It's a completely valid question to ask exactly what it is that people expect from an explicitly J-idol based vtuber agency besides J-pop.

Love coming to threads like these for the facts or negative reviews, all the other platforms leddit are so sterilized into loving anything with Hololive on it, coming here is almost refreshing.

It falls into the uncanny valley of being "too relatable" the same way Dream's Mask song did, and as usual their (actually good) voices are mixed to high hell and end up sounding like vocaloids. The thing is that Farhan can actually produce musical stuff, I just imagine he's told to make the EN's as JP as possible. Good lyrics by Calli actually (I like >>16117671), but just like the other original songs sans Myth Or Treat I won't be hearing it again
Final verdict: >>16119217

>>16126191
Calli's lyrics aren't good, you know. It's fine that she writes them but taking pride in doing something badly isn't somehow more admirable than leaving it to those who are better than you.

>>16126191
that im not sure i think they just have writing credits

>>16125909
i was the one who originally posted that i don't care for JP vtubers and then never replied in the chain
i guess i don't want them constrained by the standards that JP has set before them, but i guess that's kind of hard to do since JP literally started the vtuber scene
idk, i guess it'll take some time, probably years before EN could really call what they do "their own"

>>16126077
I'm not particularly fond of JLAT but I don't hate it either. Well, I guess in a way I hate that Myth's first real original song is so generic and forgettable but as a standalone song it doesn't hurt to listen to.

>>16126310
>NTA, but how the fuck is that bait? It's a completely valid question to ask exactly what it is that people expect from an explicitly J-idol based vtuber agency besides J-pop.
HoloMyth is not a Japanese idol group.
Additionally, that wasn't even what he stated. He was asking what genres Myth would draw from that aren't Japan-influenced and pretended like there were barely any to list, furthermore the use of "mutt music" which is a stupid false premise to begin with and requires an IQ of only 2 to recognize and ignore.

>>16126538
>HoloMyth is not a Japanese idol group.
Deflection. Almost all Holomyth music with a few exceptions has been within in the J-pop/idol pop idiom. Ignoring the point because he called Western popular music mutt music is also a deflection.

>>16116353
As always you should take away the opposite of whatever anyone here says about how good or shit something is. 95% chance anyone talking shit about anything either has shit taste or is being an elitist contrarian snob.

>>16126888
Holy trips wasted on a shit post.
This time all of the complaints are legit. The song is genuinely bad, deal with it.

>>16126969
Dubsposter has shit opinion, news at 11.

>>16126888
Basically, unless it's something that's universally beloved like Myth or Treat or End of a Life.

Remember when the board couldn't stop bitching about the CalliGura KING cover and Reflect?

>>16127044
Yep, but in those cases the whining was just /vt/ being /vt/ and bitching about everything - Reflect and the cover are actually good. Usually I'm quick to defend Hololive music but this just seems unimpressive. I'd almost describe it as overworked - the lyrics are great and the idea is there, but the instrumental is way too complex and turns to mush. Maybe I'm just a critic but I wish their first original together was something cleaner

>>16126969
>The song is genuinely bad
said about literally every song any holo has ever made

>>16127254
>said about literally every song any holo has ever made
Factually wrong

>>16126191
AZKi has written one song on each of her albums, including composition, and this will likely increase now that the frog has stepped down. Suisei has written the lyrics for a large portion of her songs.

>>16126327
i appreciate agreeing with what i have posted
i know i'm not an individual, but i don't speak my mind irl because autism so it's nice to see online
>>16126344
i think she has some neat rhymes, but her "bars" definitely seem to be more JP-based compared to anything that's popular that i hear on the radio up here in canadia, so it's almost kind of a culture-shock to hear
>>16126363
okay, i think we might be getting to the root of the problem that people might have specifically with this song, in that full-group-original songs (or whatever you'll call them) is that they're entirely contracted out, and then the idols sing what they're told to, whereas with Journey Like a Thousand Years it's much more an "idol-original" let's call it and they only got outside help where they needed it

>>16126757
>Almost all Holomyth music with a few exceptions has been within in the J-pop/idol pop idiom.
The "few exceptions" being all of Mori's music. I'm thinking of all of Mori's originals and how they're definitely not pop and probably not very Jap either though I don't know much about Jrap. It all sounds like regular rap music to me just with some Japanese lyrics. That the majority of Holomyth originals are Jpop/idol pop whatever is false.

>Ignoring the point because he called Western popular music mutt music is also a deflection.
If you read you would know I didn't ignore the point when I said "He was asking what genres Myth would draw from that aren't Japan-influenced and pretended like there were barely any to list".
But continue, list the number of logical and argumentative fallacies I used just now as if that adds anything to the conversation

>>16127311
>Every single holo song has been unanimously loved without a single hater
Bold claim

>>16127401
Possibly, as a musician myself I feel like the instrumental (the only thing Calli didn't do, it seems) is what makes this and some other HoloEN songs fall flat. It's just too complicated and filtered until it sounds excessively perfect. If Farhan could tone it down a bit and let us actually hear instruments that would be great

>>16110560
>Journey like a thousand years
>Journey to find stars
>pic related
Does cover try to pair them?

>>16127469
Yes, Mori is what I was referring to. It changes nothing because she is a musician independent of Hololive, making her a special exception. It's like saying that German is a working language of Hololive because Kiara speaks it. You are also using weasel words by saying 'Holomyth originals' so you can grandfather in Mori's music as representative of Hololive music. Everyone else in Myth largely does the same Vocaloid covers and J-pop style music as other Hololive members.
>He was asking what genres Myth would draw from that aren't Japan-influenced
Which is a reasonable question.
>pretended like there were barely any to list
He exaggerated his point somewhat by listing free jazz and Gregorian chant, but that was clearly because you people had already shut down the more likely suspects of pop and hip hop, not because he was pretending that other genres don't exist. It is reasonable to ask, if you are so upset by idol pop, what you expect to replace it with.

>>16113233
>>16113477
>>16113784
>>16114786
>>16114962

Based and reason-pilled.

I liked it, and may or may not tear up if I ever hear a live performance.

>>16127852
>pic
is there a male vtuber design that ISN'T based off of some fujo fantasy?
i guess the real question might be is there some female vtuber design that DOESN'T invoke some coomer fantasy
i guess irl we're all looking to be like something attractive that others want

>>16128058
I teared up a bit when the clips faded in at the end.

>>16121464
bro slow down on the copium it's going to run out especially when a certain slut is banned on twitch for a few days.

>>16121464
Hey buddy, your mind's pretty fucking hot. Get in the limo. Let us pass on your greatness to the next generation.

>>16127357
>Suisei has written the lyrics for a large portion of her songs.
3 songs are not a large portion. She is involved in the songs though

>>16128066
>is there a male vtuber design that ISN'T based off of some fujo fantasy?
Yashiro Kizuku, Ironically enough, he was designed by an actual BL artist

>>16128143
Oh look, samefags are becoming more creative with their shitposts

>>16128212
>Yashiro Kizuku
just googling him, he's definitely peak "straight-female" fantasy (idk what you call that)

>>16128066
Gorilla

>>16128247
you're genuinely schizophrenic

>>16128399
Yea, a samefag would say that

>>16128347
>he's definitely peak "straight-female" fantasy
He is literally nondescript office worker man incarnate.

>>16110560
Does this mean Council will be releasing a song next week?

0>>16127908
>You are also using weasel words by saying 'Holomyth originals' so you can grandfather in Mori's music as representative of Hololive music.
This entire discussion is about HoloMYTH. You're doing what you're accusing me of but for the opposite effect.
>Everyone else in Myth largely does the same Vocaloid covers and J-pop style music as other Hololive members.
Mori easily overwhelms all of her genmates combined for quantity. The average Holomyth song is a rap song. By choosing to ignore her for whatever reason of course you'd reach your conclusion.
>It's like saying that German is a working language of Hololive because Kiara speaks it.
That's not a real comparison because the average word spoken by Myth is English, like how the average Myth song is rap.
>He was asking what genres Myth would draw from that aren't Japan-influenced Which is a reasonable question.
It really isn't for anyone with even a basic understanding of music and genres/subgenres. Just start going down the list of musical genres that don't include Jpop. I honestly don't understand why you're hung up on this. I can think of many genres Myth could try based just on what I know about American music but Western Europe has good stuff too I'm sure. Hololive fans are particularly open to new things so they're not as limited as they think they are.
>because you people
Way to sound like you're samefagging
>had already shut down the more likely suspects of pop and hip hop
You're genuinely just not even reading the thread because HE was the one who brought that up and was dictating those, not "us". He clearly has a narrow minded view of Western music and you're sharing his compass. I don't understand why you're going to bat so hard for someone who started their arguments with really dumb underaged comments about what Westerners think about music despite him admitting he didn't know.

Why couldn't they polished it more? For something that's going to be on the offical HoloEN channel

>>16128756
>Why couldn't they polished it more?
Because here
s the fun fact: outside of EOPs no one gives a shit about HoloMyth

>>16113910
>t. KFP
Nice try Deadbeat

>>16128798
what does EOP mean?

>>16128066
izuru and Miyabi are cuter than most hologirls tho

>>16128745
You have yet to ever explain what you want outside of hip-hop and pop given your defense of your entire view being reasonable is Calli (hip-hop/pop). Just say you want a team of Calli. Literally the first reply to you was "what you want to listen to? Them rapping?" and your response was ">rap is the only type of Western music" but that is what you wanted. Trying to pretend you're above it all because you were called out instantly is embarrassing. People who want genres outside of muttpop/weebshit are not going to be looking to vtubers for it.

>>16128745
>That's not a real comparison because the average word spoken by Myth is English, like how the average Myth song is rap.
This is fully nonsensical. The proper comparison here would be neither of those things, but what the standard is across *all* members. Holomyth music meets the same normative standard of Hololive but Mori's music does not, just as English fluency is normative for HoloEN but German fluency does not. Some basic artistic competence is standard for Hololive, but being a professional artist like Ina is not.
>It really isn't for anyone with even a basic understanding of music and genres/subgenres.
Yes, it is. Hololive is a Japanese company. Most of Myth follow the same music formulae as the rest of Hololive. Your entire argument is based on the notion that Holomyth are special because Mori is a professional hip hop artist, which she would be completely independent of her being in Hololive. It is completely disingenuous to claim that Mori is somewhat representative of company-wide standards to which Myth almost entirely conform.
>I don't understand why you're going to bat so hard for someone
Because, as you are proving, it's easy to be a critic and accuse people of being children and samefags, but much more difficult to provide a robust alternative.

>>16114738
>It is wrong to be relateable to most people
You do not understand the music industry, you absolute retard

>>16129425
*German fluency is not

>>16114751
>Work colleagues are on the same level as family
DYRBI or are you just having Mori derangement syndrome?

>>16129349
English Only People

>>16129652
thank you
what the fuck kind of acronym is that tho

>>16129425
1. HoloMyth, HoloEN in general does not have to conform to the same standards and expectations put on HoloJP.

2. Correct. Mori is not representative of company-wide standards. Mori IS representative of HoloMyth as it stands now. We are not talking about all Hololive branches we are talking about EN, more specifically Myth. Yes, Kiara likes idol pop but she does not have any expectations from management to produce exclusively idol pop or anything at all, she just makes what she likes. Same as Mori. Kiara isn't more important despite releasing fewer songs.

>Because, as you are proving, it's easy to be a critic and accuse people of being children and samefags, but much more difficult to provide a robust alternative.
"Deflection"

>>16129857
>HoloMyth, HoloEN in general does not have to conform to the same standards and expectations put on HoloJP.
And yet in their musical lives they almost all conform to it, and therefore it hardly matters unless, once again, you are willing to explain exactly what you expect from them outside of the template which they have proven willing to follow.
>Mori IS representative of HoloMyth as it stands now
Nonsensical. Hololive is represented by its personalities, not its output. It's completely silly to abstractly separate the latter from the former and attribute it all to 'Holomyth' while ignoring the concrete reality that Holomyth contains exactly one (1) outlier hip hop artist. Mori's prolific musical output is attributable to her own qualities, not to Hololive. The company, and each generation of which it's composed, is made up of people and their collective practices, not an abstract average number of songs.
>"Deflection"
That would be you. That quoted line was in response to you asking why I was defending this position, in lieu of giving an answer to the question, and you still haven't. So keep proving me right, I guess!

>>16129380
>the first reply to you was "what you want to listen to? Them rapping?" and your response was ">rap is the only type of Western music" but that is what you wanted.
Where did I say rap is what I wanted? Half of your post is directed at arguments I didn't make or by posts not written by me.
>You have yet to ever explain what you want outside of hip-hop and pop
There are tons of other genres to pick from.
-Rock
-Latin
-R&B
-Bluegrass/folk
-Country
-Metal
-Blues
-Jazz

>People who want genres outside of muttpop/weebshit are not going to be looking to vtubers for it.
You're thinking backwards. Holomyth should be experimenting with genres they like because they're not restricted to doing purely idol pop and go from there, potentially introducing Hololive fans to different genres.

>>16110560
Song is mid. Composition is fine, and the vocals are heavily processed, but I can forgive that given how some of them can't really sing. Lyrics are atrocious though; it's white weeb chuuni shit, like the latter half of Porter Robinson's "Worlds," but even worse. It tries to incorporate some references of each chuuba, which is cute, but the word choices are so sloppy and clichéd, which is an issue I had with Calli's songwriting for a while now.

>>16130307
>Hololive is represented by its personalities, not its output
That goes completely counter to the German analogy you made earlier, friend.

>you are willing to explain exactly what you expect from them outside of the template which they have proven willing to follow.
I've explained already but you choose to ignore it

>That quoted line was in response to you asking why I was defending this position, in lieu of giving an answer to the question, and you still haven't.
The question that you called deflection on initially, I had answered before you even said that you just failed to read it somehow. I reposted what my answer was and you still seem to think I didn't answer it. I will not fall for your stupidity a third time.

>So keep proving me right, I guess!
lol, what a faggy quip

ANYWAY
i think one of the main things to take away from this thread
Journey Like a Thousand Years was made majorly by holoMYTH (calli writing lyrics and them getting farhan because they thought Myth Or Treat was a banger) and Cover not being as involved and letting MYTH do it themselves
while the other collab songs anons compared it to (mainly nijiEN) seemed to be made by Cover contracting out every part of the production and nijiEN just did vocals (a/p me listening to MYTH talk about the song after the Worms collab and reading the descriptions of all the collab songs)
i will admit that this might read as bias towards MYTH, because they are the spring board that launched me in to vtubers
but i believe my information to be compiled fair and accurate

have a gosling for your troubles

>>16130647
sorry
i already realized i fucked up and umbrella'd nijiEN under cover
i apologize

>>16130508
>That goes completely counter to the German analogy you made earlier, friend.
No, it doesn't. See
>English fluency is normative for HoloEN but German fluency is not
Just because you're hung on on your weird 'average number of words' abstractions doesn't mean I am. The standard for HoloEN personalities is that they are fluent in English, and Kiara stands as an exception.
>I've explained already but you choose to ignore it
You've listened a bunch of genres, which is cute, and suggested that Holomyth should 'introduce Hololive fans to different genres', which I'm sure would be an edifying practice, but doesn't give me any insight in how or why Holomyth specifically should adopt any of them. You've hardly pitched a concept. I can say I want Holomyth to perform a medieval madrigal but that doesn't mean it would be a sound concept that would suit the girls, or produce a compelling music video that would please anyone but me.

>>16130436
>rapper
>word choices are sloppy and clichéd
holy shit, absolutely this

>>16130905
*Kiara stands as an exception in her German fluency, of course

>>16130905
Okay, I'm done. Now you want me to play pretend idol manager in order to make my point. No. Just no. Have your last word and then close out of this tab. I am.

farhan, disappointed

>>16132308

>>16110560
I mean it's not awful but i'm never listening to that again lol.

>>16128347
"peak straight female fantasy" meanwhile his female audience is only 15%..

loved it