/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

So are we doing divegrass or not? We had a roster and stuff right? We just need someone to caretaker or manage the team now.

>>16023737
Adidas better

>>16023236
The thing is, I feel like part of the reason the infection theory became a thing is because, if it’s just those two factors that contributed to the cull, I don’t think the effect would be so large. Like I don’t think there are THAT many members who use stamps so much and such. So I can’t think of anything else that would cause such a recline in viewers aside from literal boosting by fans; general spam doesn’t make sense either because then we’d notice this happen all across the board but only vtubers seem affected. But boosting sounds too far fetched as well

>>16022250
I think a lot of people just have multiple vtuber streams up at once, and get flagged as bots.

bad news, it seem "like" is getting culled too
iirc, subaru ark stream have about 14 like, but now it drop 11k
can anyone confirm or have like number when stream finish?
Not sure about vod but 200k seem a bit low for a multiple pov almost 3hr stream with 12k waiting room

>>16024036
Has an EN streamed today?
If that theory were true you would see a big decline since the Mario kart tournament just ended.

>>16024036
They still seem affected even when not much overlap should be happening

>>16024068
they are being culled on multiple things, like community posts, including those that are members only, see latest Gura post

>>16024277
for reference, the closest post I could find with the same number of comments

>>16024036
This is what we saw today at the Mario Kart tournament. HoloEN actually had one stream per group and they got the biggest numbers. While the Japanese fans tried to watch 5-6 streams HoloJP.

By the way, if you look at the HoloID numbers, they were also higher than usual. And they were comparable, if not superior, to some Japanese.

>>16024326
and the 3 previous posts

>>16024068
VOD culls seem to be in effect too. Nene's VODs were abysmally low today.

>>16024373
Maybe they really were bots…

>>16024366
also, there's not a single post with less than 1k likes

>>16023879
ah, yeah, i misread your comment a bit. i don't think it's classifying based just on "spam" it's just probably one factor in a range of viewer behaviors that is used to (mis)classify a viewer as a bot or whatever to be culled by the updated code. my issue is with people taking the "infection" literally, like a channel could get it or give it to viewers or vice versa or that there was some patient zero like the xmas relay etc

>>16024373
it's only 30 mins long anon.

>>16024417
>CCV fixed
>VOD fixed
>Likes in process
>Correction of polls in the near future

>>16024373
>>16024277
>>16024068
so it's over?
the war is lost?
at this point there wouldn't be any way to verify the cull

Here it's the "fix" that YT will implement, there's literally nothing they can do right
>they think the complaints about polls getting more votes than viewers is some sort of harassment or bot doing it with malicious intentions
>they will tag even more users as spam so they don't count in polls
>polls won't be able to pass the CCV (just like streamd do a 180 after approaching a certain ceil, like 10k ccv)
>"All this changes to protect the streamers in our community"

>>16024373
Anons..those streams were 30 mins only, the VODs are naturally lower.
Stop leading the data astray

>>16022250
>>16023119
87% CCV over 49 min is sub 30% participation assuming average view time of 15-min, so not unusual. With Susan fucking with views, likes, and ccv now nothing is trustworthy though.

One thing for sure though is the Q1 2022 StreamHacket numbers are going to be a disaster for the platform. How low can we go? The damage is already accumulating.

>>16024277
keep in mind, I scrolled pretty far reading the comments and I don't think they are remotely close to being bots, specially after paying for membership
in fact, there is more people talking about it on the gura members only discord

Why would you go through all this effort to *reduce* the engagement numbers on your platform? This is insane and who's going to want to make the jump from Twitch when YT streamers get absolutely destroyed when the Q1 rankings come out?

>>16024816
maybe a twitch's pajee spy

>>16024770
It's obvious to any human being after 2 seconds that there's no bots liking member posts, the problem and the great irony is that there are no humans working directly on Youtube anymore, it's been all AI for years now

>>16024816
I really don't know, unless an AI is telling them to destroy everything because it will become unsustainable if the platform becomes popular/successful, even a retard like xQc got it
>but why are they doing it? isn't it better for them if numbers go beeg *boom fhhhsoshso SFX* like that?

>>16024595
>>16024681
So you're saying not even 10% of Nene's fans will watch her playing in a tourney no matter the duration of the video? Here are some low duration Kuzuha VODs for comparison. Funny thing is that the 15 sec one still has more views than any of hers.

I just can't deal with this anymore, I need to somehow cope but I don't want it to be mindless.
I want to find out what the average watch time is for my oshi for the whole of December but I'm just stuck on assumptions here, If for example I assume that the average watch time is 10 min/view then that means the ccv is fucked beyond recognition, and if I do this for past streams it also shows that the ccv has been lower than it should which, I want to make an average of the entirety of December for my oshi but I'm stuck at the views part.
on playboard it says that in the last 90 days (assuming from December 1st till the 31st) her average views are 216.4k, now do you think it'd be fair for me to use half of that on every single stream in December even if some streams have lower views than that?
or do you think I should take each video by itself? and if so what percentage should I take off of the views assuming they are from VOD watchers and not YouTube processing?
I unironically want to feel at ease here in a way that doesn't make me feel like I'm huffing copium.

I'm curious, are you not considering the option where the japs are actually using bots? Considering the obsession of Japanese otaku to watch streams from a million devices plus 10 active windows is not a problem for them at all. After all, it affected one specific category of streamers with special fans, the same EN, or the usual normis streamers are just fine against the background of what's going on with the japs right now. This is somehow more believable than Susan suddenly hating Japanese whitubers.

>>16024958
Yes.
Please don't compare tournament buff kuzuha to nene.

>>16025179
I am not a Japanese Otaku but my account is shadowbanned and I only show up as a viewer on livestreams when logged out.

>>16024902
2view and higher streamers with membership, SCs, and ads are far more efficient in revenue than ones monetized by ads that earn YouTube 0.5/1000 cents per view assuming 30% hit rate. Like Miz and xQc said, there's no business case for reducing their own numbers to make their streaming platform less attractive.

>>16025179
lurk more you fucking tourist, at least read one thread you absolute retard
YOU might be a bot and YOU can do the test to confirm it

>>16024958
>here's Kuzuha vs Nene
Anon stop

>>16024616
Don't forget >dislikes removed

>>16025179
If they where using bots then the VOD views would have been slaughtered by the same 50-75% cut, and the streamers control panels wouldnt have significantly higher CCV shown in the archive data after it verifies.

Instead we have the same VOD views as before, and the same private archive CCV displayed for the streamer, but the public CCV is cut by 50-75%.

>>16023236
It might be a confirmation bias, but it looks like there's a pattern where channels get more affected if they interact with other channels who are severely affected.
Anons theorized that there might be some mechanism for flagged users to flag other users. Maybe if users in the same chatroom as a known bot exhibit similar behavior, they all get flagged for further validation?

>>16025179
>JOP bot users so fucking generous they give ID and EN bots too, both Niji and Holo, but they make sure to always match the bots to some sort of arbitrary always consistent CCV average
Are you serious?

>>16025262
Have you never considered the option you're a bot?

>>16025215
>>16025294
>"These VOD views are normal bro. It's just the duration. No one wants to watch their oshi play in a tournament."

MUSIC NUMBERS

Watame no uta vol. 2 is fifth on Billboard's download albums. Still Still Stellar rose from 59th last week to 23rd this week on download albums and got back on top albums at 60 (12th week) and hot albums at 44 (10th week) after dropping out last week. Did Watame's release boost its sales or was it just pushed out by new releases around Christmas? Is YAGOO managing to box push even in music sales?

https://www.billboard-japan.com/charts/detail?a=dlalbums
https://www.billboard-japan.com/charts/detail?a=top_albums
Kanata's Tenshi no Agape is 36th in download songs. Mori's Dawn Blue is 50th.

https://www.billboard-japan.com/charts/detail?a=dlsongs

Shouldn't Towa be here? Is it not getting counted due to EP format? Towa...

P-maru's Sil-vous President is 99th in the hot 100 chart for the 28th week, by the way.

>>16025357
Not to mention that YOUTUBE THEMSELVES says these viewers aren't bots in the streamer's analytics, it just for some insane reason takes them days to figure this out and won't show it to the public

I also think it’s bots, guys. Think about it: Sony, a trillion yen company, is hitting their VERSEn viewership all the way up to
>check notes
120 views!

>>16024634
Here it's another of my schizo theories, a bit more /pol/ than usual
>they are escalating this shit on purpose
>what do they want? get enough complaints from people that they are not bots
>why? to have an excuse too force a method to actually verify users, giving them your ID, SSN, etc
>"Oh you are not a bot? prove it!"

>>16025457
>120
try <50 rumao, they havent been able to get past that consistently, pretty sure you can count the people in chat by hand

>>16025437
Youtube also admitted the issue on their TeamYoutube Twitter support and said they are looking into it, while we can expect for the cull to continue the next days.
Some anons already hinted it has something to do with crypto channels botting their live streams effectively with up to 80k CCV.

>>16025179
I've been saying that for days. But it is easier for people to make up that there is some evil AI than to accept the truth that the popularity of certain talents is simply inflated.

>>16025365
Last years vod. 4 times the length. Checks out.

>>16025342
That is my theory. they added some sort of association check for bots, so if it detects what it thinks are bots watching a stream it will incrementally start flagging other accounts that also watch the same stream, and once a threshold by those other watchers it counts them as bots too, which in turn spread it further as they watch new streams.

I feel like Hajime is affected, even taking into account he started in the middle of the night, based on past streams, he should at least have around 90 viewers at this point

>>16025365
the Jp girls were overlapping and with the main channel there it makes sense for some of them to be low. IT IS STILL BULLSHIT the thing about ccv but flare or nene are no stangers to have sub 100k views for short streams.

>>16025569
kys google shill
you always pop up at this hour to reply to yourself with this nonsense, the IP count didn't even went up

>>16025424
>Shouldn't Towa be here? Is it not getting counted due to EP format? Towa...
Do preorders count? I don't into music. Towa's EP CD is preorder only and not streamable or downloadable yet.

>>16024958
Nene is not Kuzuha. Not even close.

>>16025655
Oh, I thought it was out already.

>>16025179
Youtube doesn't even consider those views bots, because it successfully validates them and adds them to final view numbers and retroactively to CCV graph on creator's analytics.
The problem is not that real people are counted as bots, the problem is that real people take several days to validate, when it's supposed to be real time. Also, validation keeps getting longer and longer.

>vtubers will never EVER win JUN

At first I thought this shit was intentional. Now I think youtube/google really fucked up and the AI that determines these sorts of things has gone haywire. Though, if that were true they'd probably done something by now.

>>16024958
>Kuzuha
Comparing her with someone like Bae is better

>>16025179
>>16025902
To add to this, there are some accounts that flagged to skip validation and instantly count, while there are also others who are flagged for eternal validation after every video. The number of accounts flagged for validation grows almost exponentially, which might explain why validation ques are so stupid long.
We know for a fact that legitimate accounts are getting flagged left and right, even if they pay for Premium, member, superchat, etc. It literally makes no sense and obviously broken.

https://twitter.com/uruharushia/status/1479560829251223552
Uh Oh. Rushia has noticed the member like bug,

>>16026025
Didn't he had like a 100k ccv a couple days ago? Is Jun reclining?

https://poal.me/gba81d
Vote in the divegrass poll, please.

>>16023054
That's one of the theories, the other one being that youtube implemented something new that made it take alot longer to verify users. The truth is probably a mixture of both.

>>16026119
It's just a newfag shitpost anon.

Guys it's all being culled surely. The ccv, the likes, the vod views, all of it all of it all of it. My oshi couldn't possibly be reclining.
Yes I took my meds

>>16025902
well of course is taking longer, their shitty training set is flagging real accounts and backpropagating the parameters to the next iterations
imagine picrel is their data set and has some parameters to determine if someone is a bot or not, you would EXPECT the AI to do something like this

I will NOT take my meds. VODs are being culled based on CCV too. Pekora is one of the few that amanged to get a non-shit view to sub ratio, but it's only because she almost hit 10k during the race compared to Flare and Nene who were barely above 1k. We know this is all random and doesn't matter anymore, but they're starting to cull VODs based on it as well.

>>16026119
He's usually 50k~150k on youtube. 2 days ago his streaming topped 90k viewers

>>16026220
well of course is taking longer, their shitty training set is flagging real accounts and backpropagating the parameters to the next iterations
imagine picrel is their data set and has some parameters to determine if someone is a bot or not, you would EXPECT the AI to do something like this

what if the newest members like bug on community posts is related to the viewer thing, and anyone flagged as a non viewer also has their likes flagged and not counted on members posts

>>16026270
but instead their AI is doing this

Maybe we were all just bots.

>>16025902
When one person looks at several active windows of 10 different streams, he is obviously a bot. Then time passes, the system checks that it is not a bot and adds views to the VOD.
The system is designed to protect advertisers from viewers and online cheaters.

All because 100 people watching ten talents of one company create the illusion that the company has an audience of 1000 people. Although it's 100 people with 10 active windows. If they watched each of their talents, the 10 talents would each have 10 viewers. And for an advertiser, that's a significant difference. Paying for advertising for a company that has 10 talents with 100 viewers each, or 10 talents with 10 viewers each.

Therefore, the system only considers:
1. the active tab.
2. 1 account - 1 stream.

>>16026078
I hope she knows it is more Pajeet shtting in the code and not that fandeads don't love her anymore.

Main POV back to 1.5 million.

>>16026238
200k for 30 min in a heavy overlapped stream is good.
Pekoras latets MK stream was 250k for 2 hrs of MK. Guras practice for 2hr was also 250k.
She probbaly had 30k ccv for this one and gura far more since she was the only EN streaming that group

>>16024068
>smap likers

>>16026238
Maybe VODs take longer to process now, just like likes?
But I definitely agree, this is unnaturally low for Pekora. We need to see how it will do in the couple of days, but if VODs are actually getting culled, that's fucked up.

>>16026362
Yeah stuff like this used to happen a lot, i don’t think it’s out of the ordinary

>>16026362
how much was culled

>>16026505
That's why vods are tricky. Need to wait a while for them to settle down.

>>16026362
Yeah, I left last night when this thing got 1.5m after finished processing, it has been bouncing back pretty frequently, for 12 hours I think

In other vtuber news Sumi of prism project is graduating after a little over two months.
You might know her as the green fish girl that got posted all over the catalogue last month.

>>16024366
It's just a bug.
I already saw this a few months ago or about half a year.
There were very few likes under the Gura members' post.

>>16026570
this pic is from 9 hours ago btw

>>16026238
Seem normal to me, Pekora's high VOD views usually came from long streams with high viewer churn or events.

>>16026606
seems that is more common even some pajeets complaining.
https://twitter.com/Tyler_462/status/1479507627084107781

Susan and crew paid Kson to go over to twitch and plan to viewbot her numbers sky high. While simultaneously snubbing hololive and other vtuber groups convincing them that twitch is the next step. The plan is to scare off popular twitch streamers to youtube and trading off vtubers to twitch.

>>16026606
the thing is that there has been a lot of messages from the past days on the teamyoutube twitter account stating something similar, if you follow any of the vtuber clippers on twitter, they have been having similar problems, their polls are not getting enough votes see >>16026666

another day wasted licking yagoo's anus

>>16026583
Numbers?

>>16025902
What is the chance of some channels have priority to validate their viewers faster than the others?

>>16026707
<<new ip>>

>>16026710
This is the vtuber news thread and will remain so until youtube unfucks their system

>>16026815
>until youtube unfucks their system

>>16026666
>>16026684
It's probably a bug, it seems to be universal too so I really doubt it's intentional. The question is how long it'll take youtube to fix it.

>>16026815
Was there a yab? Why quit so soon?

Kiara poll

Fauna poll, 4000 viewers, 3000 votes in about 2 minutes
not that bad

>>16026944
No idea, appearently she's been struggling with balancing working for a corpo with schooling and stuff, but my source for that is "a dude on 4chan said so" so you know, take it with alot of salt.

Fauna 1min poll 3,1k votes 3,8k ccv.
Phone posting so wasnt fast enough to screenshot

>>16026987
>>16027001
SCREENSHOTS?

i miss numbers...

>>16027069
There was no kiara poll, I messed up cause I was watching both

>>16027001
It was 3200 votes in around 1 minute
>>16027069
she ended the poll too fast for a screencap rip

>>16026722
Possible, but more likely is that this whole thing is user related, rather than channel related.

>>16027069
She opened and closed it very quickly. 75% participation in a minute so whatever it is, it's still super fucked.

Fauna poll
1 min 3.2k votes, 3.9k viewers
Not the most egregious example, but still 82% poll participation.

>>16027001
nothing suspicious

>>16027155
retard

>>16027124 (me)
Screenshot says 2.9k, but that's because I missed the last update before she closed the poll.

>>16027124
75% poll participation in one minute

>>16027121
It was high because of the "Hi fauna" option that baited people into voting.
I'd still say it's too high and council may be hit but it's probably the old cull not the new one.

>>16027124
It kind of is when you remember it's 90mins in and out of nowhete

>>16026307
see this from last night >>16008485
they may share the same verification process with different priorities. As the process itself gets slower over time, different features start to get affected.

>>16027155
don't normalize more than 50% participation in less tan 5 min

>Flare back in triple digits..

Flare...

>>16027240
since monday flare, towa, luna and Ramirez are 3 digits anon

>>16026987
>>16027001
>>16027046
>>16027069
>>16027124
You're all so starved of numbers you're desperate for the numbers of polls?
Yes viewer amount different from poll voter numbers. Wow crazy, almost like not all viewers are counted and we already know this. We don't need a hundred ways to confirm it

The polls were getting 200%+ engagement long before this happened

>>16027292
>16 minutes

>>16027292
>14 mins
Just stop posting this shit image holy fuck

>>16027292
i wonder what is his average time each viewer watch ...

>>16027190
It doesn't matter, >75% participation in a minute is ridiculous. Rikita Law had a fuck the feds /pol/ poll that didn't even hit 90% in 50 minutes.

japanese vtubers keep falling this year now kuzuha was overtaken by several male spic vtubers at once

>>16027305
>>16027319
STOP NORMALISING OVER 100% ENGAGEMENT HOLY MC FUCKING SHIT

>>16027203
At this point Youtube should just admit that there's a problem and hide public CCV numbers. They don't serve any purpose and are just needlessly damaging to the platform and to the streamers. And the fix doesn't look to be trivial, otherwise it would've probably been already fixed.

>>16027275
Retard, we know JP is culled to shit, but the jury is still open to how much EN is culled or if everyone is even being culled.

PSSST, HEY ENNA!
>your social credit score only covers 1k peak CCV

>>16027305
>>16027319
What are you even implying? That in the span of 16 minutes, the original 20 thousand viewers left and 20 thousand new viewers joined then all of them voted?
What the fuck are you trying to say?

>>16027305
>>16027319
>it doesn't count unless you get 500% in a minute

>>16027240
kek how are haachama and watame's VOD views so similar when watame streamed 3 hours more?

>>16027292
Isn't this a post-cull screenshot? I'm pretty sure he's been culled too

>>16027406
some left
some joined
thousands of fried brain adhd zoomers stopped by for 5 seconds

>>16027500
So you're saying youre retarded?

>>16027406
We're implying that comparing a 15 min poll with 200% with a 2 min poll with 100% is like comparing apples and oranges.

If Fauna left the poll on for another ~40s, she would've gotten 100%+ poll participation in 2 mins, which is a lot more damning than a 16 min poll with 200% engagement.

PDP has such a big audience anyways that high turnover isn't the most unbelievable thing. It's not like that VSPO girl getting 8000 votes in 14 mins while being stuck at 800 CCV.

>>16027404
Enjoy the170% like/ccv ratio

>>16027442
According to the date of this video, it's from 4 months ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvcULPVLBpA

>>16027658
>4 months ago
This was also 4 months ago.

>>16027778
It passed the CCV around 3-4 minutes

>>16027778
council prenerfed by being holoEN from 2020 cull

>>16027611
VSPO girls were obviously poll botting.

>>16025365
>30 minute vod
>Flare and Nene suck at Mario Kart
It's not some evil conspiracy. Split POV + people gravitated toward strong players will give Flare and Nene low VOD.

>>16027905
They didn't want another gura on their hands! Susan be clever you see.

IMPORTANT 85% MEMBERS CULLED PROOF
Member Post from Rushia from literally one day (11/6 in Japan, 11 p.m.) screenshoted by me at 8 minutes in vs.
Member Post from Rushia today (11/7 in Japan, 10p.m.) at 8 hours in
By the way, her member post from two days ago (the one with 1300 likes in the screenshot) has 3900 likes now. I will post how many likes the culled member post has after 24 hours for proper comparison.

At the very minimum, 85% of members have been culled. (1329 -166)/1329 .
85% of members (or the subsection that would actively like posts) have been culled.

So I only discovered that if you hover the cursor any video thumbnail on the youtube frontpage and let that video's preview play out (not click on it, just hover over it), then go to your account, that said video will be on your history feed (https://youtube.com/feed/history)), which means you just gave that video a view even though you never directly clicked on it. So that counts as a "view" by youtube's definition.

>>16027778
>>16027837
To hit these engagement rates, the churn rates would have to be retardedly high. I'm now wondering if the 2020 cull has been slowly getting worse and no one really noticed because anons unironically obsessed with "genuine reclines" shat up the thread every time it was brought up.

>>16028913
What

>>16028913
I doubt it given how anal YouTube is about weeding out "low quality" views

>>16028913
doubt it

IT'S FUCKING HAPPENING
THE FINAL YAB IS HAPPENING
NUMBERS IS THE FINAL YAB

>>16026570
Gura engagment is insane, too bad she didn't stream the finals

>sub cull
>CCV cull
>like cull
>VOD cull
IT'S OVERRRRRR

>>16028826
Clearly 85% of rushias members are bots paid by Yagoo

>>16029442
we are losing

>>16028913
Even just watching for a second also puts it in your history, even though you need to watch for a certain amount of time for it to count as a view

>>16028913
u on drugs anon?

Picture from Reddit.
Here. The system marks such viewers as bots and checks them longer. They do not get into the online statistics during the stream, but after checking and understanding that this is not a bot, it is taken into account as the one that looked at the stream when calculating the VOD.
I am sure that there are a lot of them among the Japanese audience.

>>16029790
i-it's that sepia? jesas

>>16029790
Yeah but this would only be for multiple POV events like this

here's some shitty analysis that I was too lazy to make any prettier. All calculated numbers are estimates, don't be retarded.
>I'm basically comparing a bunch of streams after christmas with reference streams from way before it. I tried my best to reference them with streams from the same channel; with a close time duration and with a close type of content. Having those three items checked, then I could compare the views/ccv from before and after christmas, and estimate what the old ccv would be, and thus what the %cull is, in relation to the old ccv numbers. I skipped some streams that seemed too hard to match.
>note that those "corrected ccvs" are not the real ccv numbers either, they were also culled, but way less, at least for jps, as before the christmas numbers pandemic.
>you can see that different channels get their culls worsen at certain events, which we can sometimes identify.
>For example, marine was a little culled, but then got fucked after the collab with either koyori or pekora. Pekora's cull greatly increased after she did her pokemon metronome tourney raffle, where a lot of other fanbases came in to watch for their oshis too. Fubuki, Miko, Subaru, Okayu, Chloe, Iroha, seem to have a gradual fall but with no big collabs easily identifiable - but maybe those happened in other channel collabs and still flagged their fans. Suisei got fucked right after her christmas karaoke relay. Gura isn't suffering as much as the others, but still culled. Niji Noon show's numbers first fall seem to be simply lack of total views on the first moment, but later they seem to be slowly catching up the ccvid as well.

I'm tired of this shit, I want to view bot my oshi stream, can someone tell my about a way or website to do it?

>>16029909
no anon, don't do it
you will be lost in the dark side of numbers

>>16029790
But then why do these "bots" not have their member likes work, like with Rushia? Rushia has had no multiperspective collabs this year, only one perspective on her channel, and didn't participate in the mario kart tournament today.
Something doesn't make sense with that theory

>>16026542
Not sure if there were culls prior to when I checked but about 6 hours after the tournament ended I was gathering numbers for a data table for a prior # thread and it was at 1.57 million views and when I was wrapping up and double checked a half hour later before posting it had dropped down to 1.43 million.

>>16026396
VODs are most definitely getting culled, saw numerous tournament streams lose anywhere from 1500 to 130000 views in the half hour period I was doing data collection.

>>16027837
next time include the ccv in the pic

>>16030253
those kind of drops arent uncommon for this kind of vods. Evene gura outfit lost like 80k after passing the 900k mark.
so i wont turn the sirens yet.

>>16030334
Look at >>16027778

so is Faunas roof 4k or 5k depending on how susan is feeling right now

>>16025179
Like other people said they seem to validate the people after the stream. It's just strange that the "live viewers" number end up being absolutely fucking irrelevant since it doesn't display correctly. Also I'm almost sure that YouTube used to terminate accounts for botting so I have no idea what changed

>>16025179
because I tested my own account on a 0viewer and saw im not counted either. Pretty sure im not a bit.

>>16029870
The idea of it acting "infection" that spreads from viewer to viewer (or viewer to channel to viewer?), sounds absurd to me... but I guess their is some evidence to it, even for me my account wasn't flagged until after Pekoras metronome tournament. Still probably accounts are just slowly getting flagged over time based on some behavior and holos do collabs all the time so a collab will somewhat lineup with the decline.

>>16029790
You can't seriously think that in a 80 000 stream, 60 000 people watch it like this. People who do this are a tiny minority. There are vastly more people who simply open stream and alt-tab to browse different website or do different things on their PC. There are also a shit ton of people who only watch on mobile, probably around half of the audience, they can't physically do what you're showing on the screenshot, yet most of them get culled.

>>16030554
>The idea of it acting "infection" that spreads from viewer to viewer (or viewer to channel to viewer?), sounds absurd to me
It is not absurd. The system notices a lot of 'bots' in a specific channel and then starts flagging more with 'suspcious' activity as well, creating a cascade effect. There's no other way to explain the way it gradually spreads and gets worse with time.

>>16025424
>>16025655
>>16025726
Yeah, Scream is not actually properly out yet, physical is in preorder on the holostore until Feb and a few digital places have put it up but when you buy it you only get Palette and Fact. Towa says she's going to release the other songs weekly or something along those lines so I don't know what will happen with charts.

>>16029043
Unironically, I remember tribalfags shitting on some jp chuubas for "reclining".
...the irony they didn't knew they were witnessing the beginning of an actual new cull.

Gura's doing a post tournament chat + viewer Mario Kart today. Is Nijisanji having an event? Can the shark finally get a gold?

>>16029043
l mean, Kiara can't even get 5k now with minecraft.
She's no longer a easy 10k with minecraft, but 5k minecraft should still be easy to hit even for Irys, Bae, and Kiara but none of them can do it now.
I wouldn't be surprised if HoloEN numbers are severely culled across the board for so long it just felt "normal".
Not the same recent culling that JPs got that is just retarded, but its bad in its own way.

Gura peaked at 26k for the MK last night, but her 30 min VOD already has 300k views...

>>16030916
>gold
People still gives a shit?
Would be pleasant if she manages to beat Twitch numbers with significantly nerfed Youtube numbers though.

>>16030723
I also meant "absurd" in the sense that it's absurd that youtube could be that retarded. If this is actually how it's working though firstly all of HoloEN and Nijisanji should eventually see the same level of culling as HoloJP. Secondly it may take a while but even normie streamers should eventually take a significant hit. Until that happens I'm still not completely sold on it.

>>16031028
Well she beat a buffed Veibei the other day.

this place used to be beautiful once...

>>16023737
>>16023863
Did someone get an Adidas sponsorship? All I know is that Suisei got a Converse one.

>>16031054
>If this is actually how it's working though firstly all of HoloEN and Nijisanji should eventually see the same level of culling as HoloJP
That's already the case for Rosemi and Irys:
https://vrabi.ml/video/aY1vdFM6G4U
https://vrabi.ml/video/Z2IwcJxNk-c

>>16031329
Sure but it should be everyone within the two agencies right? Because the overlap of viewers is so high. If anything it taking so long to go from Irys to Bae and the rest of EN (so far), is a knock against this theory. But again I'm not completely saying no to the theory just that I'm holding off until I see it spread more.

>>16031533
Irys was the most affected EN because she has the biggest overlap in audience with holoJP, who are getting hit with those giga L's at this point. She's spreading it to the rest, but it will obviously take a bit longer for them to be affected as badly as her.

>>16031533
the ccv cull disease is definitely still spreading, the mechanic in which it does so it is still up for debate since nobody can prove or disprove anything yet

>>16031533
There isn't nearly as much overlap as you would think, certainly some but JP engagement in EN streams is about as low as EN engagement in JP streams.

Final tally of the day?
Was it slipped? Towa 37k

>>16031726
>aki mogging watame
jesas

>>16024623
>at this point there wouldn't be any way to verify the cull
you can by streaming on twitch

Has this been posted yet? Cross-site numberfagging seems to get a response, lmao

>>16031795
>the ccv cull disease is definitely still spreading
Yeah for sure. I experienced it first hand, it took a while for my account to be flagged. Whatever the actual cause, it being something that can spread between viewer and channel is an ideal scenario I think. As this should in theory result in it eventually spreading to basically every community, barring there being some threshold that is hard to meet outside of Hololive/vtubers.
>>16031810
Agreed. But assuming one is enough then Irys will have enough of an overlap with EN.

>Kiara getting 4k in Minecraft
>This is somehow one of the bigger Vtuber streams the day
oof

>>16032134
yeah it was posted earlier already

>>16031795
>>16032205
if this ccv cull disease is a thing (and it probably isn't) the best way to test it would be to go to non vtuber streamers with high ccv and try to 'infect' them? maybe target one or two and watch them at the same time as 'infected' vtuber streams

>>16032134
>"VTubers have dropped off massively overnight and are getting mogged now. I this a bug?"
>Susan: "Working as intended."
>"Rumao, Twitch is totally mogging Youtube Gaming. It's not even close."
>Susan: "Oh fuck, oh shit, this was a mistake."
lmao

Guys, Artemis had over 500 viewers earlier! Inclining? Thats better than a lot of Holos and Nijis right now.

>>16032134
It's still kind of crazy to me that they haven't addressed this properly yet lmao. Even if they don't care for vtubers it's really not good look for their total platform viewership to look this shit. Obviously not many will take notice of it right now since no one uses their live browsing interface, but eventually those sites/orgs which publish and compares stats between the different platforms are going to do their monthly/quarterly reports and everyone is going to wonder what the fuck happened to youtube viewership.

>>16032780
good for him

>>16032863
Even when Holos show up on their categories, the count is so fucking off that it's pathetic.
I once checked that they were off by 20k live viewers for pokemon.

Damn, this was at least a 12-15k stream judging by the views but it peaked only at 4.5k. Rion is getting murdered too.

>>16032672
Good idea, I think you should go watch Jun for a couple of hours a day.

>>16032929
That's pretty normal numbers for her.

>>16032921
Ah didn't know that thanks, don't know why they're taking so long to implement and get basic functions working. Still the point about the reports that compare the different live stream gaming platforms still stands.

>>16033023
234k VOD views is like 10x what Rion usually gets for her VODs so 10x what her normal CCV (1-2k), isn't that far off of a prediction honestly.

Pikamee streamed to 3k people on Twitch earlier, she hasn't had that viewership since the cull.

Do you think chubas check their metrics page to see their (actual?) CCV a day after their streams or are they in deep depression right now thinking they lost 50-70% of their audience in a day?

Actually thinking about some low tier chubas that I am watching like Roboco and Aki thinking that they are actually back to 500 viewers saddens me.

>>16033023
It was a birthday totsu. She got culled hard. Took her 15 mins to regain her waiting room: https://vrabi.ml/video/8YF3IpTdXp0

Fubuki is on twitter space with 4k listeners

>>16033071
YouTube live-streaming is not a priority at all. Not to mention the head of YouTube gaming is more concerned about fellating himself over his NFT collection than doing his job.

>>16033071
Need some more prospective streamers shaming Youtube's teeny tiny shriveled...collective ccv, in comparison to Twitch.

>it's a very real possibility that Hololive and Nijisanji will migrate to Twitch this year because of pajeets
pls no

>>16033263
At this point there wont be any change until something drastic happens. Burger bros, it is your time, the fire rises.

Isn't the main problem with a possible Twitch migration the VODs?
They can upload them on YouTube I guess but they will miss part of the initial views?

>>16033515
Considering only 30-40% of premiere/stream viewers get counted as actual views, it might just balance out.

FalseEyeD, one of the News Vtubers talked in length about the live viewer and other issues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXFe89FLXFs

It straight up looks like he or someone scanned this thread for the last weak or so, along with some twitter posts.

>Fubuki with 5.2K listening to her on Twitter.

Would she be able to get those with a zatsudan if she was streaming right now?
Common sense would say obviously yes but I don't even know anymore with Susan's bullshit.

>>16033515
You can re-upload VODs onto YT and also profit off of them. In fact, that's what practically every big streamer does, it creates two sources of revenue while also avoiding putting all your eggs in one basket.

>>16033515
Nah, the main problem with a swap to Twitch is that it's a smaller platform in Japan. You will of course bring over an audience from Youtube, but you will have a less of tourists that like or accept vtubers to pull in an convert to real fans.
This is less of a problem to EN, but more so to JP or ID.

Anons, how can we infect Ludwig's stream with the CCVid? A few weeks ago he could get beaten by anyone from Hololive but now he's at 32k, as if Suzan had granted him an immunity against that damn virus...

>>16033832
Sure but what if the CCV cull doesn't get fixed or even gets worse?
Can we be sure that it doesn't affect their video views?
Can it hurt them when it comes to sponsorships or their general image as a company?
Maybe their hand will be forced at some point if YouTube continues with this.

>>16033928
You think a head to head collab with Toast would only get 33k?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_8XsG5QB2s

We talked about this, he lost 25% of viewers at least at the end of December too, but it's still about what he was getting on Twitch so he's not noticing it. The other irlstreamers are just idiots with numbers and dismissed it.

>>16033695
>December 2nd 2020 English vtuber accounts so decreases of 1/3rd of their audience
>Whereas their Japanese counterparts only saw a 10th of their audience decrease
kek I regret giving it the view

>>16033979
It depends how much Cover or Nijisanji value live viewers. If they see that they have the same vod views and overall revenue they might not deem it a issue worth switching platforms over.
Might some talents start double streaming? Yes. But it's only by company decision that all of hololive or nijisanji would change platform.

>>16033979
It should affect all their metrics.

The problem is, as >>16033832 said, YT is more popular and most of heir audience is still there, even if not counted. They might not want to move to Twitch.

But it would be best to try out Twitch now, use it every now and then. Prepare it for the sponsored streams especially, the ones that pay by avg viewership.

Today's superchats

Laplus roomate doing karaoke in 6 hours on her roomate youtube channel...I'm ready to see those numbers...

>>16034200
didnt ame got more than that according to hololyzer

>>16034200
Jesas, Ike suddenly got a lot of gachis from his apex stream

>>16034242
It got broken up between yesterday and today because of Playboard's cutoff point

>>16034210
wth? is she streaming on 4 platforms?
Twitch, Twitcast, people wrote she's still on NND and now YT?

>>16034200
Thought Towa getting 6k$ for the 2 streams today seemed a bit low,
but she's had a very busy week, people might have been short on cash now.

>>16034060
Why would he be affected?

>>16034210
trying to balance holo and rm activities seems to backfire more often than not, feels like she's playing with fire here

>>16034407
Because everyone was affected, it just became way more noticeable for vtubers.

>>16034210
So her roomate streams in both YouTube and Twitch?
Holy...

>>16034439
It backfires when you neglect your Holo activities. Shion got absolutely shit on for not streaming on her Holo account for weeks at a time but being active as her roommate.

>>16034449
Bare in mind he's being affected by the 2020 cull as evidenced by a poll he did before the latest cull. I watch him and I don't think you can say for certain he's been effected much at all by the latest cull. Well actually now that I think about it... I'm watching him right now on my flagged account so he's def down 1 viewer lol.

>>16034559
So is shion roomate still active now? considering she on hiatus currerntly...

>>16033799
close to 7k now

>>16034661
"active"
from what i remember the activity was 2-3 covers on her roomate and 0 of anything on her holo in the timespan of... 7-8 months i think?

>>16032929
At this point I’m convinced, even if it’s a stream many people will be coming in and out of when their oshi joins and leaves, there is no way a 3 hour 4k peak ccv stream gets that many views
I believe what Gwelu said about his true ccv being 24k too

>7.1K listening to Fubuki in Twitter

It seems Yagoo's bots have been deployed on Twitter, too.
Hopefully they take a page out of Susan's book and cull them.

>>16022250
Nick Rakieta had a 100K stream about Rittenhouse trial not too long ago but views on this kind of stuff are probably heavily dependant on the case.

i just want to see on of the holo girls confirming it.
Selene and hal are ok
but i want to see towa come and say "ah btw this was the ccv of the torunament" so we can get an idea

>>16033979
It will not be fixed just like the last one

>>16029790
There are multiple problems with this, the first being that Youtube has never counted one user with multiple streams open as anything more than 1 viewer since at least 2 years ago. We keep getting newfags who don't understand how CCV works in the first place pulling shit out of their ass.

>>16034949
Cover are pussies it's not happening.

>>16034949
Unfortunately its Towa, she's probably never opened the analytics page.

>>16035058
Is there proof of this?

>>16035077
I'm sure they're never showing the analytics pages again.

The unintended effect of the Taiwan yab on us was Holos no longer allowed to show us info from their analytics.

>>16035261
i hate the chinese even more now

>>16035203
Yes

>>16035349
What if that’s just phone viewers

>>16029790
There are very few streams you'd watch like this, only ones where everyone is doing an activity together with multi POVs and the audio doesn't matter. Amogus would be another example.

You guys still doing this?

>>16035458
I wonder if she applied for Gen 3.

>>16035458
We don't know if that's the cull though. The numbers are so small that it's within the range where it could just be people using adblock

there must be an effect casued by the overlap
Look at mori's graph it pretty much stopped the moment gura started

I'm morbidly curious how good engagement vtubers get under normal circumstances. Maybe if it's ever fixed we'll get to see. I suspect it's some crazy shit compared to normal streamers.

>>16032780
On youtube? Artemis usually streams on twitch and can get as high as 1k depending on content but is usually 500 or below. It's kind of funny his lackey Bao ended up being more popular than him.

>>16033212
What was she doing?

>subaru from almost 10k waiting to sub 3k
>gura from 9k waiting to sub6k
>mori growth stalling the moment she hit 2k

jesus christ she lost 90% of her waiting room numbers

>>16035872
>>16035794
it really is getting worse by the day

>>16035872
that's a big L

>>16034094
That's more or less accurate, although it's probably closer to 25% and 15%.

Face it anons. Susan is wiping youtube out of vtubers like it did with anime related content a few years back.

>>16035682
It still is, we could see it back in 2020. Pekora's then 20k chat was way gaster than Valkyrae's 40k. No poll function yet though.

>>16035872
My poor samurai....she doesn't deserved this...

>>16035872
pay for the consequences

Every Ohasuba since last May has hit at least 15k, this one might not even get to 5k

>>16034094
Why?
It's within the possible percentage chart anons here gave.
It went UP TO 60 and 30%

>>16035872
Youtube onegai not my samurai trad wife...

The nijien girls and boys are also getting fucked.

Iroha back over 1k 23 minutes in. We did it number bros

>>16034094
but that's what happened dumbass

>>16035595
hope not, but still I wanna see her get a bit more of the big boy's pie tho
>>16035614
okay, I did not expect any explanation am a mere tourist

>>16033023
Yes. And vtubers always get pretty normal numbers for their special birthday stream. Fucking retard.

Took Gura 20 mins to get to waiting room peak.
Ready for a low peak again today.
It's getting worse and worse for the ENs.

>>16036683
30 min in and Pomu hasnt cleared her waiting room

>>16036722
26% is a quarter, not a tenth and thats on average. There were JPs hit harder than EN, it just got glossed over because JP continued to mog EN in 2021 even with the limiter.

>>16036700
>back to 1k
This is so sad

Most holos will be 3views in a month or two if this doesn't get fixed

>>16036925
And niji will reign supreme once more!

>>16036871
When gonna be the first sub 10k for Gura?

>>16036891
>There were JPs hit harder than EN

Name one.

In a month or two? Just a week ago Subaru could get 15k for her morning stream but now she's at 4k, this is accelerating faster than we can even imagine.

OhaSuba at 4k viewers. Usually it would be at 17k

>>16036871
she got 10000 waiting room? isn't that worse than yesterday? that's supposed to be at least 17000 ccv stream.

>>16037097
She’s gonna have trouble breaking 1k by next week

>>16037112
>>16037097
What the fuck is going on with the NUMBERS?! This has to be a bug, right?

Gura's infection rate worsened a lot after the tourney.

>>16037191
No, 50% of Hololive's audience simply decided it was time to move on all at the same time in one day

>>16037191
How comfy is it under your rock?

>>16037193
>collabing with JPs immediately murders your CCV

>>16037193
Are the dips people being flagged in realtime?

>>16037193
She should have done like that oni whore and not stream for a month, she would have kept her status of most watched Vtuber for more than a day Kek.

>>16033695
If False is right that Holo EN kimono relay will only serve to accelerate the cull since it spreads trough people jumping from stream to stream and I guess the only answear is for chuuba fans to jump into this big normie streams so people like Dr Disrespect or Ludwig also catch the CCVID and youtube is finally forced to react.

>>16037097
>>16037112
I remember literally a week ago looking at OhaSuba's 12k at 30 mins and being like "uh... This looks like a cull guys" and some anons thought it was just holidays being busy/overlap with EN.

The cull has gone completely out of control since.

People needs to keep complaining about this, I
feel like the complaints are slowing down after the new bot response. Those pajeets needs to be pressured more to fix this shit.

>>16037193
>the infection theory was right

>>16030076
I believe that is a separate issue, or at the very least it's an unintended side effect of whatever is causing this issue and not a direct result of the bot culling thing. For one thing, the community post likes issue appear to be universal, whereas the cull seem to only be affecting certain channels

Mori got niked for the first time and seems like the waiting room was getting culled too since it did not got the usual growth in last minutes before the start

>>16037392
I'm using three different accounts with VPN and Mobile data to try to infect Ludwig's stream(all flagged as bots thus not counted as viewers), that would be fun if that were to be the case.

>>16037071
Mio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXFe89FLXFs
Someone's made a video discussing it now

>>16037392
That'll happen naturally anyway, there's no way to "contain" this sort of thing.

>>16037332
Nah it's just MK, but back in the day, Gura would recover within 5 mins (like everyone else did) and start the teeth pattern at 16-17k.

Now it takes her 20 mins just to get to waiting room and she's already teething at 10k, which feels like YouTube just chopped off a few thousand of her usual numbers.

>>16037539
>It's a misinformed retard who skimmed this thread
Every time.

>>16037193
Her fanbase finally decided to watch her JP senpais streams to cheer on the shark and Susan marked them all as bots as reward.

was kiara culled today? her average watch time seems okay?

Gura's chat is crashing the shit out of my browser today, even with LiveTL.

>>16037617

What's misinformed? It's exactly what is happening. And it's getting worse every hour.

Easy 10k for Gura who has, willingly or not, become the queen of the cull.

>>16037820
JP got hit much worse than EN

>>16035458
Yes, every bit helps

>>16037823
Today's tally is secured with at least one stream

>>16037909
The witch Mio took off an entire month because she ushered in the Holopocalypse, and now she has spread this new curse. It wasn't because she got hit harder.

>>16037663
>Minecraft stream a month ago
>7.5k peak. 5k average
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/ok-2Wr1X-9U

Kiara didn't even break 5k today, but I'll say check her VOD in a few hours and compare with NijiEN boys.

It was strange that she didn't get any funnel at all from Fauna today when she ended.

>>16037992
Now check the chat speed

>>16038036
uploading the vid chief

>>16037909
He was talking about 2020.

That video is straight up the guy grabbing stuff from here, even talking about the YouTube gaming guy being into nft lmao

>>16037992
>>16038036
https://streamable.com/344esc

>>16037926
So today won't be the fabled day with no 10k, would not be surprised at all if it happens next week though

>>16037909
Not in 2020 which was what was mentioned

>>16038142
lol

>>16037992
After her good performance in the tournament this should be a big buff stream for Gura, 30k+ is not unreasonable. It does make it hard to get a bead on how much she's being affected though because she's done progressively more popular content this year which is offsetting the cull effects. So far she seems to have stalled out at 11k which is lower than her DBD stream that had an estimated 17-19k viewers.

>>16038142
Not surprising at all but Ludwig really did get an immunity from that damn CCVid, how nice must that be.

>>16038033
Susan killed Illegal View Funneling :(

>>16038142
>Sub-only mode

Is it even comparable?

>>16038142
rumao

>>16037926
did fubuki not hit 10k today?

>>16038201
yes, but the AI doesn't know anything about buff streams or schedules, culls everything equally and they try to make us believe they are not doing great

>>16038142
That's extremely slow for 30k. Slower than some 2-3k NijiEN streams. I guess it's just a different culture? Which is sort of weird since he's a twitch streamer and some of those fans would be the spammy twitch types in theory.

>>16038254
Gura has slow mode on so yes

>>16038254
Only the chinks would spam and would make a difference in sub only mode so yeah it is.

>>16038254
It's sub-only with 0 second requirement

>>16038254
Not when you could remove all of Gura's greynames and it would still be faster

>>16038254
How many non-subbed people are watching a livestream like that?

>>16038142
>EZ clap
>OMEGALUL

>>16037992
They must have whitelisted his channel on everything.

>>16035998
>That's more or less accurate
>10% off
Ok. He was listening to many ENfags in this thread.

>>16037663
It seems like she's getting a fresh audience from some Korean clip watchers so she might be less affected much like nijihomos.

>>16038624
Today are her worst minecraft numbers ever, by 3000.

>>16037728
as expected from a 10k stream!

Another day where Rosemi doesn't surpass her waiting room numbers. Pomu surpassed it just barely. How did it hit her so bad?

>>16038284
7.5k
She's a sub 10k streamer

Sorry what was that Subaru, you wanted to get 5k viewers on your show that's never been under 10k? Not sure you have enough social credit points for us to let you have that...

>>16037728
Did some math, her chat is going somewhere between 8 and 13 messages per second

>>16038716
Because she is honorary Holo.

>>16038768
this one hurts me the most, subaru free talk has always done very very well and this is just sad.

>>16038716
pomu passed the waiting room eventually but it took over 45 min

Wonder if the DMCApocalypse is finally starting on twitch. She was streaming Avatar: The Last Airbender when this happened earlier today.

>>16038768
Reddit Duck is just reclining which is what I said would happen after she finished the meme game. Reddit Duck isn't getting culled.

>>16038680
Damn that fucking sucks.

>>16038598
It's all guessing and estimation. No one knows what the actual real number is.

>>16038929
rumao, everything is coming down

>>16038929
>streaming Avatar: The Last Airbender
Twitch streamers just watch fucking shows, like broadcast the actual episode? That's bizarre

>>16038929
The movie or the show?

>>16038142
There is no way 32k people have his stream on their main monitor without adblock, unmuted and refuse to type out messages right? What are his REAL numbers counting adblocker users and 2nd monitor users?

>>16038929
oh no they'll have to make actual content now

>>16038960
Baiting at this point when everyone is visually becoming a 2viewes is just plain sad, go touch some kusa or neck yourself please, you're not helping anyone.

>>16039039
people on twitch have been using others people content on youtube as their own content for ages at this point, the past year or so theyve been getting really really fucking stupid watching entire shows and shit on youtube.

>>16038929
>She was streaming Avatar: The Last Airbender
why the fuck tempt Viacom again?

>pomu beating all the boys

>>16039141
Why is Pomu so powerful

>>16039141
>not vox or mysta
discarded

>>16039039
that's twitch for you, easy content parasiting on creators from other websites.

>>16039099
How new are you that "reddit duck" wasn't a dead giveaway for you to ignore the schizo?

>>16038288
This honestly looks like Youtube DOES boost Ludwig. Conspiracy theories say that they made everyone's CCV worse so that he looks but that's ridiculous. But I am starting to think that they rigged his CCV so that it stays at 20k, when in reality it is much lower. What numbers he had on Twitch anyway?

>>16039039
I found someone streaming full DBZ episodes. Twitch doesn't seem to give a fuck about copyright unless the owner directly contacts them. I feel like it will bite them on the ass eventually.

>>16039141
Seeing stuff like this would have been an opportunity for a wisecrack at the Nijiboys a few weeks ago, but now I don't feel anything...

>>16039039
You have no fucking clue how bad it is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNhky-LomBo

Who is Ludwig

>>16039205
They would do something with plausible deniability. Like we didn't nerf anyone qe just implemented ccv verification for everyone except our vetted verified streamers.

>>16039205
30k on an buffed enough stream is normal for him both on Twitch and YouTube, plus he's had the same near 100% engagement rate on a poll within a few minutes that everyone else has had. He has not been affected by the latest cull though.

OhaSuba fails to reach 5k, we're accelerating lads I'm just not sure what our destination is

Took her over an hour, but Gura 11k

>>16039300
they bought him from twitch

>>16039239
It will but until then they'll milk it for all its worth

Niji mahjong in about an hour. Any predictions?

>>16039300
Twitch react streamer who Youtube paid millions to not do what he got popular doing

>>16039048
The show.

>>16039430
50-60k

>>16039357
There's no way his whole audience transitioned with him to Youtube though. You can't even make people subscribe to your secondary channel on the same fucking site. Even if third of them did, which is 10k, that already would be an unusually high number.
And if Ludwig actually managed to bring most of his audience with him, then Vtubers would be able to do the same, if they decide to move to Twitch

>>16039264
that's a level of low creativity. But I guess qxc has to eat.

>>16039430
Will mog holo MK

>>16039359
0 live view with 10 messages/s chat
waiting for peko or gura to reach that because it will be real funny

>>16039430
sub 20k for sure, probably closer to 10k

Streams over 2k because 10k is too much now (08.01.2022)

Gura 11,326 (ongoing)
Mysta 7,698
Vox 5,173
Subaru 4,919 (ongoing)
Kiara 4,672
Fauna 4,129
Nina 2,389
Pomu 2,255 (ongoing)
Mashiro 2,249
Iroha 2,125

>>16039542
its the strongest meta on twitch since it by far the most social, imagine a zatsu except you can literally show the content you are zatsuing about so everyone knows what youre talking about you get to entertain your chat with it then you do commentary on it all at once. and your chat can also send and recommend videos so now they get to see you react to what they found funny along with chat. its super fucking strong at mimicing watch with friends vibe.

>>16039604
Nah, it's gonna be high because of non infected tourists

35k lowball mahjong, 80k highball. my expected is 55k

>>16039039
Why not just use the watch party feature?

>>16039531
His audience even beforehand was a decent bit bigger on YouTube anyway, the viewer numbers are completely normal. He's literally bigger than every holo on youtube unless you want to specifically look at Gura's subcount.

>>16039702
which channel? main?

>>16039704
There will be a lot of less viewers if it was an audio watchalong instead of a live react-watchalong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eALSNrEkQY0
Ame is using the same waiting room as the last time she had to cancel doom eternal two months ago

>>16039636
> its super fucking strong at mimicing watch with friends vibe.
if only. it devolved from that.
>streams starts
>open livestreams fails
>scroll click commnet
>repeat 20 times
it devolved in the worst kind of zatsu ever.
Is no longer a chat with the viewers about topics but rather a search for somentihg to entertain both of you. The streamer becomes a watcher of the others content rather than a commentor of it and it feels.

>>16039815
>two months ago
Try 5. The numbers on this stream are going to be fucked out the ass.

>>16039636
That doesn't make it creative though. you are at best a live react youtube channel stealing content because you can't create any of your own, at worst you are just a content stealer.
I know it's part of the meta, but that doesn't make it a good meta.. It only exists because twitch/amazon hasn't been treated to be sued out of their asses.
Just to spice things up I kind of hope the big content owners don't go for that approach, just sue or go for legal charges against streamers directly who have used their content. I think toast and qxc would make great cell buddies.

>>16039776
Yeah on the main channel

>>16039402
>Fwiz
>Head of YouTube Gaming
>retarded cryptobro
I think I found the problem

>surpassed sportfes number

>>16039300
youtube gamings 30 million dollar man.

>>16039953
bro, it has been stuck on 1.5m for like 18 hours

>>16039837
i dont watch any streamers where the main content is react anymore i remember years ago i used to watch a few people that would take donos to watch vids or let people posts links for a bit and they'd sift through those. it was alright. most streamers i watch that still do react tend to put something on they saw while they eat or take a break mid stream, had no idea its basically full on LSF these days.

>>16039402
they couldn't afford pokimane or other twitch 3dpd?