/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Flash animations?

>>1590868
What am I missing? Who is this Stan? Is Stan the receiver of those animations? And when did Calli ever care about Hololive? I see no difference between early and late Calli in that regard. Still love her. She doesn't need to take this seriously in order to be enjoyable. Why hate her for that?

>>1590868
>goys
Inb4 this user was banned for racism

>>1591749
can I get a farewell toot for my guy?

>>1591960
Of course, to the gas chamber with thee!

>>1591354
d*mondice

You got any proof of this?

>>1592753
Read the post above your

>>1590868
When did you even got impression she's that serious about streaming anyway? I'd say it's dead obvious that her music career is what she cares about the most.
The only thing that changed is she's now more confident while streaming and actually enjoys it - but still treats it more as a hobby and some fresh air

>>1594561
When she quit her teaching job and genuinely started streaming more and longer I thought she'd finally grasped it. She even recently talked about she wants to stop doing the other shitty side-projects once she's cleared her backlog, to have more free time.

But now for whatever reason she's timelooped back to early Mori, all of a sudden she's super busy again, wants to stop literally making schedules because "muh freedom", and asks her fanbase if its okay for her to keep working on shitty non-hololive side projects that suck up all her time
I don't know what the fuck happened, wouldn't be surprised if it was caused by whatever gave her depression/PMS a week ago. The point is that she was getting better and has now relapsed completely into "i dont give a shit give 70k$ a month slaves" mode.

Deadbeats can look forward to shit like this again soon.

>>1594847
have you tried getting a girlfriend instead of crying about a girl you don't know not streaming for you 24/7

>>1594847
Hopefully the next membership stream comments take the issue to her directly, i would not mind mirroring the most thoughtfull critisism from here with the hope that somehow this issue will reach to her

I honestly don't understand how Mori can receive this much money and just decide to wipe her ass with her fanbase.
At least do it like Ina and genuinely don't give a fuck. She also has a real job she possibly/arguably prioritizes over Hololive. But she doesn't fucking milk paypigs for SCs constantly, trying to get money for no content.

Don't pull this "ooooh I appreciate you so much Deadbeats!! I love you!! I don't deserve this money and support!" SC baiting act if you don't want to deliver anything. Fucking disgusting twitch thot behavior.

>>1595004
And then she manipulates her fanbase in actually sanctioning this kind of behavior by "asking" them (knowing that they'll say yes because they are fucking simps, what else would they do) so she can pretend to herself that her conscience is clean.

>>1594941
Why are you here?

>>1595034
why do humans visit the zoo?

>>1595041
Visit yes. They typical don't hop over the fences and start playing with their feces alongside the monkeys

>>1595041
based

>>1594847
>for whatever reason she's timelooped back to early Mori
retarded manletnigger made a song about being sorry for shutting her down, now that she has big numbers.
figuratively leeching off of her and she doesn't possess the courage to shut his shit down.
she deserves better than him, but she does it t herself as always.

>>1595077
Good lord. Please tell me this is a rrat. You're saying he basically guilttripped her into becoming his wagecuck again, and Mori went for it because she still wants that manlet dick?

>>1595064
tell that to harambe

oh wait, you can't because you're wrong and retarded and that monkey is dead in the ground

>>1590868
Does that malet have a huge dick or something. Mori simps for him fucking hard, she pretty much works around his schedule, while he is out there fucking groupies.

>>1595119
>Please tell me this is a rrat
roommate twitter, they're going on tour.

>>1594847
>Deadbeats can look forward to shit like this again soon
I still at least have my Jerma.

>>1595129
I have no ideas what you are talking about I'm not up on Facebook memes

>>1590868
is she actually doing a project for cr1tikal or is this a narrative?

>>1594847
This is kind of souring me on Mori. She should have just went for a V-Singer position.

>>1594847
The MV she's working on now is for her Mori album.

>>1595157
>SHE FUCKING SUSPENDS HOLOLIVE ACTIVITIES TO GO ON A TOUR WITH SOME LITERALWHO MANLET
YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP

Someone needs to put her on blast

>>1594561
She should care about streaming, it's what puts foood in her table. Unless she wants to go back to being a minimum wage english teacher.

>>1595200
She's planning on being a full time ""'artist"""

>>1595184
Make sure to subscribe to her Tier 3 so she has money to pay for manlets food while on tour.

>>1594941
>anon
>2021
>getting gf
Anon 30% of men in the US can't get a gf, what makes you think the retards in this board don't all belong to that group.

>>1595198
More than anything, someone needs to stomp out her Japanese boyfriend

>>1595041
based, good reply

Like if someone harmed him in minecraft because of their relationship they both migh cool things off.

I told all you fags back pre-split that western women were not a good fit for hololive. EN isn't a shitty concept but unless you get JP girls that speak english your going to end up with problems like this. big cultural problems. Mori is an individualistic westerner, not a team before me japanese person.

Reading this thread sure makes me glad I early on had a bad feeling about her already
Kinda was apparent her music gig and literally all else was more important than being a streamer

>>1595224
That's fine but have her give up her Myth position. Give it to someone that wants to stream.

>>1595077
Why is she so in love with this motherfucker? This is so fucking bizarre.

>>1595119
No rrat, the guy made a song about how he screw up "bo hoo poor me i didn't know what i had". Literary years of ignoring her simping and now that she is popular he has an epiphany about her, come on get real, hes has his own motives.

>the literal physical level of seething
She does everything perfectly.

>>1595363
Hi Kiara

>>1595157
But this is supposed to be the last tour, no? Please dont tell me she is gonna go crawling back to the manlet and keep om simping. Does she have low self steem, does she know she could get with most jap dudes she sees on the street. Someone please explain to me what this manlet rappper has that has made the roommate falling so in love with him.

>>1590868
>Giving a shit about Cover or Hololive with all the shit management pulls
>Can't even get Dark Souls permissions
Good goy

>>1595363
I mean, enjoy
The way this entire situation reads, might as well go simping for a pop star musician more than any sort of streamer to his/her audience, given she evidently cares way less about the latter

>>1595162
Based an JERMAPILLED

>>1595233
>boyfriend
I don't know if i would call a guy she relentlessly simps for, for years while he ignores her, a boyfriend relationship.

>is her heart even in the streaming?
>why is she in love with a successful artist and not ME
>why isn't she setting a fixed schedule so i know when to sleep to not miss watching a girl play a video game for 2 hours

>>1595460
Arguably worse

>woman: has life outside of streaming
>4chan: *incoherent screaming*

No one has yet to explain why she is in love with this guy so much. What does he have, it's confusing.

>>1595455
Why would I do that? I stopped all membs except Korone, and I almost exclusively watch indies, also pay them more. You can keep seething about your holoens and then keep watching them.

It's pretty sad when she should be taking advice from herself from a few months ago.

https://streamable.com/t0vvl9
https://streamable.com/m2xs0o

>>1595400
yes supposed to be the last tour. they all want to go independent.

>>1595460
oneitis then. fucking gross.

>>1590868
Why is she like this?
I´m assuming her depression has to do with those side proyects in the first place.
It´s obvious to me at this point that she doesn´t give a shit about streaming

>>1595475
>why is she in love with a successful artist
>in love with a successful artist
>successful artist
>successful
Anon-sama i........

>>1595492
>What does he have
>why
>what is the reason she loves him
Are you a girl? Because you seem to be unable to understand what actual feelings are supposed to be.

>>1590868
I heard deadbeats say that that guy made a song calling Mori a corporate shill and doxxing her with her real name. Why isn't she over him by this point?

>>1595269
The rest of HoloEN does not have this problem.

>>1595537
Im a man anon. She is in love with a manlet indie rapper, willing to do anything for him, like why? She can do bettter.

>>1595492
he's part of tamaonsen no? BACK IN ZE DAY she saw their concert/performance and was awestruck to the point she worked hard to move to japan

>>1595506
That was before the whole i love you, kind of, maybe, someday, im not sure, song the manlet released. She saw the slightest hint of hope and went right back to simping.

>>1595578
That is female logic. Men can love without any reason, blindly. Which is ironic, because it's about Mori. But you, you must be a girly fag.

>>1595573
He doesn't know

>>1595591
it also motivated her to start rapping in the first place

>>1595620
Man Good
Woman Bad
Upvotes to the left

>>1595573
how new?

>>1595648
Are you ok?

>>1595620
Fuck you faggot. You don't even have reading comprehension.

>>1595573
>Gura
doesn't do JP collabs so it sounds to me like she's not thinking of the group first.
>Ame
seems like she understands her position
>Ina
understands enough about japanese and the culture to know her position, mostly keeps to herself anyway.
>Kiara
does tons of collabs and is putting the team first often, does slip up though and do stupid shit a lot.

>>1595269
>I told all you fags back pre-split that western women were not a good fit for hololive
You say that like there arent JP Holos that frequently coast along

>>1595571
Is this true, cause that would be the cherry on top if this guy was shitting her and then she goes back to simping for him.

>>1595635
Are you trying to imply that Ame, Gura, Kiara, or Ina would put their own personal side projects above their hololive career? Do you have any proof whatsoever for a claim like that?

>>1595475
the only worthwhile criticism is that she's wasting time furthering the careers of her "friends", who are just using her.
if people want to support her and not just be antis, then drop the petty stuff and just keep encouraging her to focus on her own career.

>>1595751
Ina has a day job

>>1595669
Like you can talk.

>>1595571
>>1595724
It wasn't a full roast, more like a friendly rivarly type diss

Fuck Mori

>>1595129
why you gotta bring my homie into it
disrespectful

OH NO NO
Deadkeks, that´s what you get for getting uppity

>>1595788
Someone should, cause that raper manlet sure isn't.

>>1595770
And yet she still makes time and streams for HOURS when she does stream.

>>1595830
Get out of my face with that, I support all the holos. I’m just saying that Ina has other priorities as well.

>>1595830
but they stream like the same amount.

>Only 1 (one) comment on Mori's video voicing discontent about the schedule
Can't you faggots say something in the comments if you want your complaints to actually be heard by her? Maybe then she'd do something.

>>1595578
>Manlet
Did you miss the part where she gushes for short niggas?
>Rapper
Did you fucking miss the part where she's a rapper and he's apparently her oshi, music wise?
>Indie
C'mon now, Anon-chama. Surely pattern recognition won't fail you.

As someone who gives no shits about Mori outside of Live Again, I have to wonder why the people who hate her go out of their way to mention it instead of just ignoring her and watching the girls you do like. Anybody who actually adores Mori won't care what she does, and if you don't like her but still care that much about what she does is a huge fucking waste of time.

It's just fucking weird man, they're just streams.

I find it strange that people jumped all over moist crit AFTER he became boring. I don't really know what to make of it.

>>1595698
Gura not doing JP collabs doesn't really imply she puts herself over hololive as a group anon. It just means shes too shy to collab with anyone outside her gen with basically zero understanding of Japanese. She should get over that fear, but to say that it means she's not thinking of the group first because of it is just stupid.

>>1595876
I don't think you know what point you're trying to make. Talking to hear yourself speak.

>>1595919
>Can't you faggots say something in the comments if you want your complaints to actually be heard by her?
They don't watch her begin with lmao
This is literally just Concern trolling: the thread

>>1595919
Gonna take a shot in the dark and guess that one comment isn't yours...

>>1596008
ogey

>>1595232
God I'm so lonely

>mori spends her time on tour between concerts hanging out with the manlet in the same air bnb
>she thinks this is it, she will finally love her
>one night she gets ready, puts on makeup
>tonight he will take me as a man takes a women
>she is happy and all giggly
>manlet brings a groupie to the apartment instead
>hey you dont mind right? He says
>n...no, says Cali
>cali proceeds to spent the entire night quietly sobbing to herself as she listens to the manlet just fucking the girl in the next room like a jackhammer
>next morning she meets the girl
>so are you like the manager or something?
>no...im...im
>manlet barges in
>oh her? She's just a friend, shes cool, she's like one of the guys, don't mind her. Right bro?
>cali defeated with makeup all messed up, smiles faintly
>yeah...ha, im just one of the guys. Haha just a bro.
>yeah anyway see ya Cali
>before he leaves with the girl the manlets gives cali a friendly fake punch on the shoulder
>see ya bro, says the manlet
>yeah, see ya bro
>as soon as he leaves cali takes a shower while crying and then spends the rest of the day watching random Naruto episodes

>>1595919
I cant be bothered getting flamed by the white knights, and there's no non schizo way to tell her that I want her to disregard the projects she wants to do and stream. If her priorities are skewed, there's nothing to be done

>>1590868
She has now created a ridiculous amount of music for Hololive. Including the Hololive Alternative theme song. I don't know how anyone could say that she doesn't care about Hololive.

>>1596008
>If you want to say something to her just don't watch her
Retardchama, your logic reps...

>>1595972
no it's not stupid. look at mel learning english just to collab with EN members. why? because it's better for the collective, even if it is hard or scary.

>>1595997
The point is that the two streamers with active careers both prioritize them over hololive streams you ignoramus

>>1595346
>Why is she so in love with this motherfucker? This is so fucking bizarre.
People are irrational as fuck. I'm still pining after my high school crush who turned me down 8 years ago. Some people just aren't wired right and can't get over their 1 sided crushes.

>>1595269
I can't seem to understand you; must be the rice cooking. Nice rrat.

>>1596030
She deserves it

>>1590868
So much anger because a girl you were never going to fuck has a life outside playing minecraft for your entertainment.
Enjoy making your $20k a year while she makes that in one night on her next EP release.

>>1596065
>both prioritize them over hololive streams you ignoramus
Whats wrong with Inas stream schedule?

>>1596039
Schizos and people who unironically worship this black company won't admit it, but Mori is the closest thing Cover has to an idol outside of Sora and AZKi. I'm pretty sure they don't even match her output and initiative.

>>1596065
Yes, my good bitch, but what is your point regarding that? Given the context of your initial reply, it seems like you have a problem with that - but fall short of saying it. That, or it's a mix of you having shitty composition, and the 'tism kicking in for me.

>>1596158
I'm only mad because I got banned for calling her a nigger

>>1595963
I feel the same way. Stuff like his 98 Koshien video was hilarious and decently popular, but now he just bitches about stuff on camera and is retardedly successful

doubles decide who i'm gonna anti this week

>>1596189
The jannys

>>1596189
Sora

>>1595698
>doesn't do JP collabs so it sounds to me like she's not thinking of the group first
She just did one with an ID and is making a big show of learning Japanese, so presumably those collabs are coming.

>>1596168
OH fuck you think I’m the guy who posted the green text. No the autism is on my end dude, sorry.

>>1596189
Nene

>>1596051
>because it's better for the collective, even if it is hard or scary.

ok commie

>>1596189
Hiromoot

>>1596209
>making a big show of learning Japanese
She's just getting those dulingo bux

>>1596051
Now you're just sounding creepy. "Better for the collective"??
Look I want Gura to collab with JPs too but she seems to only want to collab on stream with people she can connect with, which is probably why she's only done a non EN 1on1 with Anya since they bonded over DbD.

>>1595770
>>1596065
You are missing the entire point anon.
Ina has a day job because she decided to sign a contract before debut. She even went as far as to say she regrets it, and that once she is able to get rid of it she will be able to stream more.
Mori had a similar thing with her visa, but with a job that had nothing to do with her career, and she actually managed to get rid of that job and started to stream more for a while. Furthermore and unlike Ina, it doesn't seem like she gives as much of a shit about Hololive since it's not even clear she got rid of the job because of Hololive and she is starting to fade away again.
I like Mori, but you have to admit she was always disconnected from the group like this.

>>1596189
Wiggers

>>1596241
Show me your proof that those are shill streams. Keeping in mind that past shills like Princess Connect and Arknights were done very openly and explicitly.

>>1595919
>if you want your complaints to actually be heard by her?
They're literally drowned out by the thousands of yes men. There's no point.

>>1596229
>>1596255
that's exactly what the japanese mindset is though, I'm not saying it's my mindset. look into eastern collectivistic thinking.

>>1596189
adidas lion
good luck surviving the onslaught of slavic autism, anon :^)

>>1596189
Mori

>>1595400
>Does she have low self steem
Yes.

>>1596166
good dubs and very true. I get why some cuckbeats are mad about Mori touring, but it isn't that long. They are going to buy / listen to her new album and love it. They are going to tune into all of her streams and seethe that they weren't able to have little miss Calli-P ride them. Fuck you fake Deadbraps, Mori is still oshi.

>>1596283
Most likely because Dulingo wants to market to weebs but doesn't want to be officially associated with something as autistic as Vtubers.

>>1596304
japanese corporate mindset*

>>1596189
Roboco

>>1596304
>look into eastern collectivistic thinking.

yes we all know that asians are literal ants

>>1596189
Adam Crigler.

>>1596261
Mori has a visa to maintain and live rap shows count towards that.

>>1596039
That's very true. It's ridiculous to say she doesn't put in work on Hololive, and she has given every indication that she's going to keep it up.

>>1595041
Even a zoo is more civil. A better comparison would be "Why do humans watch chimp wars on national geographic."

>>1596372
>Mori has a visa to maintain and live rap shows count towards that.
She's already a Cover employee

>>1596371
then don't act surprised when I point it out

>>1596371
If you don't at least like the Japanese why are you here?

>>1596166
>Mori is the closest thing Cover has to an idol outside of Sora and AZKi.
Polka.

>>1596353
So just naked speculation then. Cool story bro.

>>1596403
>Cover
>Helping with Visas
Now this is a timeloop

>>1596166
Good thing idols isn't really what I signed up for, or at least not in the case of my oshi
Idolfags is something I'll never understand

>>1596411
I never said it was anything else. Dulingo isn't really an effective way to learn Japanese though that's why I'm assuming they are all getting paid.

>>1596328
Let's be honest she will just take on another project after the tour.

>>1590868
Holo Alt lol

>>1596051
>because it's better for the collective, even if it is hard or scary.
I dont know why you think most Holos are remotely an ideal model of JP traditional values; they're a mix of NEETs and weirdos

>>1596457
>Good thing idols isn't really what I signed up for
Why are you watching Hololive if you aren't interested in idols? It's the whole point. There's plenty of Vtuber groups that aren't idols you can enjoy such as VOMS or Nijisanji.

>>1596457
Fair play. It will never make sense to me how you could call someone your oshii if she’s openly in love with someone else, but the guys on /a/ don’t seem to mind loving haremettes so whatever

>>1596488
Nijis are way better idols

>>1596478
I don't, but they're infinitely closer to that than any westerner will be.

>>1596518
They aren't idols at all.

>>1596478
>mix of NEETs
Why do people keep posting this, do you even know what neet means?

>>1596261
>Furthermore and unlike Ina, it doesn't seem like she gives as much of a shit about Hololive
This argument falls apart when you consider Mori is among holoive's most productive members
2 EPs, 3 singles, 1 feature (cloudy sheep), the hololive alternative theme, All written and performed by her, 1 animated MV (Hintori) 2 animations (Her old intro, Kiara's old intro), the one and (currently) only holo who's channel is verified as an artist, and to top all off her stream times are still comparable to Ina
The only person who rivals her in terms of music output is AZKi but you should consider that AZKi almost never streams

>>1596554
That doesn't count.

>>1596592
Pretty much the anti mindset.
Everything she does for hololive doesnt matter.
Anything else she does makes her evil.
Definition of rent free living.

>>1594847
anon she loves being DD, she wont stop doing it just because she has a big streaming audience now, hololive is he rjob and she does it for the money her passion has always been DD, it is why she left her family behind, went to japan and worked shit jobs all for her to realize her dream as DD you cant take that away from her of course she would get depressed about it

>>1596554
Not a deadbeat, but I'd guess the main contention isn't how much output Mori creates, but how overworked she lets herself become. In addition to all that you mentioned, she's adding more freelance work onto the pile to leave very little time to stream for her fanbase, which is the main thing people expect her to do.

>>1595400
Love is blind. For whatever reason, her roommate's dheart yearns for him.
Look how sad she thought that her affection was one-sided. Now that the manlet made that song, she thinks there's still hope and she is happy again.
You can bet that if her roommate was a Vtuber who worked for Hololive, she would abandon Hololive completely for him.

>>1595346
guess no amount of money can stop a retard from being retarded

>>1596554
She doesn't do the music for the sake of hololive.

>>1596554
See>>1596592
If she isn't streaming she isn't doing anything. She hates the company, she should've just given the job to someone like Gigguks girlfirend, she would at least stream. I DON'T GIVE A FUCK if she has "Made" things and done "Behind the scenes work".

>>1596648
so concernfagging, and some girls don't stream for months, or have very broken schedules. I'm still waiting on Cover a single word on Haato, but I'm not making threads like "why isn't she streaming???"

>>1595269
>>1595573
>>1595698

adding to this, instead of making a general culturalistic "JP vs western values" thing about it, lets rather hone in on it as a specific "person prioritizes her side projects, to the detriment of her main job" - issue. Obviously the Hololive gig should be the main focus of their time and effort, given that it's also their main source of income, and it's not unreasonable from fans (who are the providers of that income) to expect that.
Cultural armchair explanations (as in "hurr durr individualistic westerners, japs are better team players" etc.) aren't really helpful, given that there are also quite a few HoloJP with abysmal streaming schedules (oni whore doko....) who don't even have the excuse of apparent side projects, so coasting by laziliy is not the sole province of those dastardly westerners. Also the 4 other western HoloENs seem to manage prioritizing their main job just fine.

>Ame
Fully committed, and the few interruptions to the steady schedule don't seem to be caused by any side projects but instead even in service of improving her streaming main job (for example like getting a new pc or a place with better internet.)

>Gura
Also no other side projects, focus seems solely on hololive only. Even the minor criticism of "hurr durr do more sempai collabs" can be explained by (depending on if you like her or not) by either shyness / language barrier, or airhead lazyness, but at least its not because she's prioritizing other side shit.

>Ina
Here we're at least getting into a comparable case, because of her illustrator work. The difference being that despite that she still is able to stick to a solid steady schedule that seems to satisfy her fans, a sign that she has her head on straight and knows where her priorities should lie.

>Kiara
Again, similar case, you could consider her cosplaying a side project. But again, like Ina, it never impacted her stream schedule negatively and she still puts out multiple half-marathon sessions per week.

Unlike Mori, who really is the only odd one out in that regard.

>>1595761
What good is a career if you're not happy? You think Mori would be happy if she got rich but always felt guilty for leaving her friends behind and suspecting that all her new friends are just around her because of the money, while the people who appreciated her while she was poor are now gone?

I hope she goes indie, it's obvious she does way more for cover than they'll ever do for her.

>>1596635
I think for me this is why I feel Mori isn't really doing anything wrong, seen from her perspective
At the expense of sounding like an autist schizo and retard for a moment, what I don't really get is the people who enjoy it though
As someone mentioned, and I'm saying this as not really a fan of any of the EN girls, Ina at least doesn't pretend it's her calling

I hope she goes indie because she’s not an idol and doesn’t belong in hololive

>>1596030
She's into Naruto?

>>1596811
>it's obvious she does way more for cover than they'll ever do for her
Cover made her famous

>>1596189
Nyanners.

>>1595119
nice going KEKbeats

>1596776
Damn son I never knew that a side effect of schitzophrenia is typing lots

>>1596811
This is what Doxxbeats actually believe

>>1596855
Wasted digits.

>>1596855
>>1596888

The level of seethe you guys are showing is exactly why Mori decided to dump the plants down the drain. she admitted on her OmbaTV that she was pretending to move out to Australia on a business trip (supposedly a tour with this one underground thai rapper) but would probably ultimately decide not to do so as some of her fans started whining in her Twitter about the existence of small-legged dust particles who were climbing in and out of her nose, travelling through her body like blood cells do when you have too much sugar in your system. Mori got so angry over this, in fact, that she eventually released the Hololive English Image Soundtrack under a secret alias as to not bring attention to the hidden messages she put in some of her songs. In Ame's track, for example, you can put the song through a spectrogram and you will see an entire letter written out in the frequencies. I haven't done enough research on what those messages exactly are, but my friend mentioned the words "motherfucker ass snitch" being used on Kiara's song, possibly reflecting my initial theory that shrimp she ate during her solo trip got digested into clues notifying us that we should be more careful to the words we utter near the red fruit.

>>1596855

>>1596554
Whether you accept "b-but all the muuusic!!" as an excuse depends on if you like / care for the music in the first place.

Many people, especially here, don't - that's where the complaints come from (I specify "here", because that's pretty much the only place where you can even hear people freely complain).

Some people don't care for the music, they'd rather have good streams. And if the music gets in the way / is the reason we can't have good streams, these people are gonna be even more pissed.

>>1596855
Based

>>1596896
was just about to post this

>>1596896
>think it's ai-generated at first
>turns out it's a handicrafted skitzopost
Respect.

>>1596896
あーガイジガイジ

>>1596776
Good post. I think Mori's only real problem is time management. I doubt anyone would complain that she was putting herself above hololive if she left enough free time to stream like normal.

>>1596635
Nobody cares, and nobody expects the chuubas to mindwipe their past selves and become slaves to hololive, we just expect them to give back proportionately.

Most of the holos have a life besides hololive, hell even the "apex hololive otaku" Kiara is very obviously still obsessed with her shitty failed idol dream and keeps up her cosplay career. The difference is that these people don't let it impact their fucking hololive career. They still put out a schedule that isn't a joke, make time for collabs when necessary, and don't fucking ruin 5 MAN COLLABS WITH YOUR CO-WORKERS because you are "muh tired and hungry from work :(((" or literally arriving late, fucking over everyone and ruining everything.

If she wants to be an Ayame-tier "i literally dont give a shit" streamer shitting out a stream once a month, then just fucking do it and accept being the blight of EN, but stop milking paypigs by putting on an act about how you totally appreciate their support and how they're so precious to you when in reality you couldn't care less.

>>1595346
>the guy made a song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9lUuVIBOJ0&list=PLRD7N-Zrj2DNLqPJ4tFE9gk6Ek4FC3l7_&index=1
which one?

>Mori and Miniscule Celestial Bodies manlet will have adjacent hotelrooms
Our AI gf isn't going to cuck us, r-right?

>>1595571
>why isn't she over him by this point?
She is.
>doxxing
not really a doxx, that's one of the names she used to address herself as and let others (including fans) address her as. It makes sense for a friend of hers to use it and come on, that word play was fire.

>>1597121
What the fuck?
Anon please do your fucking reps.

Man I'm glad this shit is completely fucking FREE

>>1596923
Then they can kill themselves frankly speaking.

>>1596189
Haachama

>>1596030
Jokes aside, if anything that would be the best outcome, since it'd be the absolute kick up the arse/reality check mori needs to finally pull her head out of her arse, and get it through that dense fucking skull of hers that manlet mctophat doesn't give a shit about her.

Yeah, she'd be fucking hurting in the short term, but better to just rip the bandage off in-one go, get it over with.

>>1596745
Sydsnap love!

>>1597086
>ruin 5 MAN COLLABS WITH YOUR CO-WORKERS because you are "muh tired and hungry from work :(((" or literally arriving late, fucking over everyone and ruining everything.
When did this happen?
I remember Gura being asked "always be late or be early" and she picked "always early" because by being late, you "inconvenience everybody". Could she have thought about Mori when she said that?

>>1596810
sorry, i'm not following your logic there.
What I mean to say is, I think Mori would be happy if she worked on her career and then used her off-time to just relax and have fun instead of working on someone else's career for them.
but, like Mori said, we're not her mom.

Mori's terrible at games, why do people want her to stream more?

>>1597121
huh? those aren't Japs. and can we please stop posting 3D? this thread is already super roommate heavy which is annoying. let's not drift totally into 3D territory please.

>>1596896
I was literally just thinking this too

>>1597086
>and don't fucking ruin 5 MAN COLLABS WITH YOUR CO-WORKERS
When was the last time she did that though?
And you have to understand that she has low self esteem and can't say "no" to her friends or her crush even how shitty they are.
>by putting on an act about how you totally appreciate their support and how they're so precious to you when in reality you couldn't care less
I would not go as far to say that she doesn't give a shit about her fanbase.

>>1596403
Cover Contractor* easier to fire and doesn't help with visa

>>1597340
>Mori's terrible at games, why do people want her to stream more?
Why are you watching Holo expecting people to be good at games?

>>1597320
yeah at the end of the day I have no real clue. you might be right. I might be right. both of us might be dead wrong. I really don't wanna go too far into that either because I like to treat her as an escape from my shitty life and rather not think too hard about how shitty her life is.

I suspect though that the Hololive career is not the career she wants so she'll keep drifting away from it.

>>1597340
>Mori's terrible at games, why do people want her to stream more?
This place really is infested with /v/tards huh

>>1597086
>don't fucking ruin 5 MAN COLLABS WITH YOUR CO-WORKERS because you are "muh tired and hungry from work :(((" or literally arriving late, fucking over everyone and ruining everything.
This has never happened though?
Mori has literal put her co-workers above her own health when she showed up to a collab sick and tired, passed out in the middle of it, and woke up and continued on like nothing ever happened, Gura was the only one who even noticed

Haha, remember the cope about her "not caring for hololive and wanting to collab outside the company" that we could at least get some potentially interesting new indie collabs out of it? I remember....so, Riri doko? Rene doko? Milky? Well, Mori doesn't seem to remember, can't even spare a throwaway tweet or chat message nowadays. Hell, I'm willing to bet odds are that we won't even get a fucking Suisei collab until the full year is over.

>>1590868
The thing with Mori is that I don't like her, I never liked her since her debut and she hasn't changed much, but it's ok, I can forget that she exists she does 0 collabs outside of EN, she has her fanbase and they aren't too unbearable so I think that she's ok
Also her collab with my oshi Korone wasn't that bad

>>1597461
Pls undastand, she is busy sucking manlet dick

>>1596896
NOW THIS IS A POST

>>1597454
In today's stream she said that she started saying a lot more "no" to collabs. Perhaps that's what that anon is referring to?

I bet that Mori will be the first to leave from EN's first gen. Either her or Kiara. I see Ina and Ame staying the longest and am agnostic about Gura.

>>1597609
>agnostic
?

>>1597624
Did I not use that word correctly? If so, sorry. I meant that I have no clue.

>>1597624
He doesn't believe Gura exists, but cant deny that she might exist.

>>1597568
The mind of a schizo is a wonderfull one

>>1597646
Saying you're agnostic says nothing about your beliefs, only the knowledge you claim to have.
A person being agnostic about X's existence says that he does not know whether or not X exists, but might still believe in it (or vice versa).

>>1597461
Cover won't let her collab outside of Hololive, period.

>>1597313
>>1597454

it did happen, especially more in the beginning with the whole "death sensei" teaching side shit. Mori would be rather noticably grumpy, sleepy, or push to cut a collab short because she had other things to do. I remember a certain minecraft collab where the consensus was she ruined it just as it was getting good and the other girls had to stop because she bowed out and they couldn't overcome the awkwardness to continue. Other people can surely provide other examples.

>>1597573
Seems like a stretch since he complaining about a past issue
Maybe he's jumping timelines

>>1597642
You did

>>1597560
I don't think you fully understand, anon. That manlet doesn't like her either and just uses her.

>>1597689
>I remember a certain minecraft collab where the consensus was she ruined it
Your example is you being retarded and taking an /hlgg/ meme at face-value lmao

>>1597689
>especially more in the beginning
Yeah in a beginning but she hasn't ruined any collabs for a while.

>>1596896
Tell me more about the red fruit anon

>>1597771
She literally fucking ruined THE LAST COLLAB THEY HAD by delaying it for 30 minutes which forced them to cut it short because the merch release was on a set timer

>>1597689
The one where she fell asleep on stream?

>>1597823
No the later one which was possibly their best collab

>>1590868
Jesus christ your bickering is such a waste of energy. Its an insignificant matter. If her content is not for you, then just ignore her. She's still going to make bank and find success even if she graduated right now. Just a selfie of DD got 10k likes.

>>1597802
Yeah it surely wasn't Kiara who made the collab shit for the time that even had in the first place.

>>1597802
That was a mercy kill imo, DST sucks

>>1597802
I just loved how everybody IMMEDIATELY knew it was Mori that caused the delay and the entire thread shitposted about it, and then lo and behold, it really was Mori's fault. I think the rrat was that she forgot to install the mods.

>>1597729
It's sad, but that's pretty much every relationship out there. Romantic love is a very ambitious concept. People always lived together, of course, but without expecting blissfull content. Rather, it was a purely practical arrangement, entered into for the sake of survival and the satisfaction of basic desires. A real fairytale romance may be possible, but it certainly isn't the norm despite it being portrayed this way. Our society made something normal that is in fact an anomaly. It is as though we'd expect everybody to pitch a perfect game in baseball and then shame all those who cannot do so. If she has a crush on him and he goes along with it because she is useful to him while both pretend publicly that they are deeply in love, then that's pretty much a normal relationship.

>>1597853
sorry anon kiara hate was yesterday

>>1597686
Sure, because it's not like other Holos can and do collab outside Hololive.

Cover may prohibit her from collabing with the people she really wants to (cr*tikal), but there is zero reason they'd nix collabs with uncontroversial JPs like Riri or Reine.

Even IF you accept the justification "well, maybe management probably tells her that she should first get some collabs with her Hololive sempais under her belt before she's allowed to branch out outside of Hololive...." okay, then what's the problem that's stopping her from collabing inside Hololive to build that status?

Kiara does it just fine, obviously with her language skill, but even Ina who's probably on a similar conversational JP-level to Mori is putting herself more out there, and even Ame who arguably has the least japanese skill is reaching out.
(Gura is excused because at least she never promised much in the way of collabs anyway)

>>1597853
like clockwork

>>1597927
>>1597686
>>1597461
Considering she picked established music people for her song mix contest instead of helping indies... and she did a collab with ironic weebs of all people...

>>1597927
Why would mori be interested in collaborating with vtubers? She wanted to appear on anituber channels as a novelty.

>>1597802
>delaying it for 30 minutes
Was that really because of her?

>>1597927
I still can't get over the fucking Takamori Q&A where Mori all but admitted that she doesn't give a shit about JP collabs and hasn't made any effort to do them.

But it seems like she's got one in the works now, hopefully it's someone good.

>>1598001
Mori said it was "computer problems" while none of the other girls mentioned it having anything to do with something happening on their end.

>>1597977
>and she did a collab with ironic weebs of all people
Fuck. I wish I hadn't read that. Please somebody tell me this isn't true. I am genuinely feeling sick for having liked her now.
Why do I even go into these threads? Never anything good comes out of it. I just ruin my entertainment for me. Now I cannot listen to her ASMRs while going to sleep without feeling awkward.

>>1597950
You're free to post what mori did in the actual collab to ruin it if you like.

>>1597903
But i don't think they are in a relationship either.

>>1598010
There’s a lot to do with takamori that I’m yet to get over

>>1598050
stop pretending

>>1598054
yeah I was just describing a hypothetical. People here tell me that she's got a big crush and that he wants to use her current popularity to advance his own career. I'm just saying IF this is what brings them together, it would not be worse than any other normal relationship. I doubt roommate would be too stupid to see what's happening and might simply be ok with it.

>>1598050
You didn't know that she was in that trash taste podcast as a quest?

>>1598060
I'm not. I hate ironic weebs more than normies who shit on weebs.

>>1598100
It’s not going to get them together. She carries his shopping bags for him while picks up girls.

>>1597927
>Sure, because it's not like other Holos can and do collab outside Hololive.
It's because she's EN and cover treats them like a golden goose which makes them restricted fuck, she's just straight up mentioned how management won't give her collabs she wants
Even Kiara has expressed interest in wanting to collab with Veibea yet nothing has come of it
So far Ina is the only EN who's collabed outside of hololive but that with Pochi, who's a holomama they're basically treated like secondary hololive members

>>1598125
I did but I had zero idea who these people were and couldn't stomach the Roger Rabbit aesthetics so I never finished watching it.

>>1597994
>channels
Nigga, she was in one podcast. When has she said she wanted to collab with more anitubers?

>>1598060
>hungry nene
What's she hungry for?

Not even a day has passed and this timeloop is already losing steam. I mean it shouldn't have gained traction at all in the first place but I guess it's true that /vt/ is full of newfags...

>>1598168
Hungry??? NO no hungry. ANGRY!! Angry Nene.

>>1598163
If it makes you feel better none of them are ironic about being weebs.

>>1597977
>and she did a collab with ironic weebs of all people
Hey, Connor is normalfag but he isn't ironic weeb.

>>1598198
please do not come here to defend anitubers

>>1596855
Based

>>1597977
>>1598050
>and she did a collab with ironic weebs of all people
Stop being retarded, that was literally just a cross-promotion sponsorship deal with Cover and Kadokawa
The whole reason streams like happened
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt6aM9xYxV4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3Ottnh8T0Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYChcl_6rvs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wF4hxa7w40
In exchange for appearing on their podcast Kadokawa gave them Bookwalker sponsorships

>>1597977
>Considering she picked established music people for her song mix contest instead of helping indies

Oh I remember the cope at the time was that "w-well if she picked one of her literallywho indie friends it would be seen as nepotism..." or some shit of that variety.

Even if you grant that, the fact that she really hasn't done anything for her supposed indie friends since then should clue you in to the reality that she never was and isn't as close to them as some people maybe wished.

>and she did a collab with ironic weebs of all people...

Yeah the prevailing TT-cope (besides downplaying the issue in the first place) is "b-but muh Kadokawa, it wasn't her fault but company mandated to build business relations, and look at all the sponsorships we got out of it..." and so on.

>>1598192
It does. Thank you.

>>1598210
That guy isn't really a anituber though.

>>1594847
I think her depressive mood was caused by letting go of all the side projects, she's a workaholic and not being busy probably fucks with her head.

>>1598290
>besides downplaying the issue in the first place)
What issue?
>b-but muh Kadokawa, it wasn't her fault but company mandated to build business relations, and look at all the sponsorships we got out of it
But that is literally why it happened.

>>1598290
Oh, so this is why her oneitis called her corporate

>>1598290
So do you hate her?

>>1597977
>ironic weeb
I can't believe we've timelooped back to this meaningless phrase

>>1590868
When she was an independent music artist all she did was her FamilyMart wine drinking streams while having a massive moan about how tired she is etc, this is literally just her old content on a new avatar like most people who become chuubas from another streaming avenue.

>>1598303
they are ironic weebs though

Half this thread is schizos sperging about the nature of their relationship with Cali and projecting it onto the manlet rapper. The other half is drama fags pouring fuel into the fire.
If you hate this decision by Mori then unsub and stop donating money, shits very simple really.

>>1598435
Nah, those two spergs just act like it but truth is that they are real weeaboos.

>>1596923
most people like her music, it gets insane view counts for a vtuber too

Mori doesn't even want to collab with musical vtubers

>>1598402
It’s just a new way of saying hipster ten years later. It refers to someone who is inauthentic in their enthusiasm, or someone who is aping the appearance of enthusiasm for social benefit.

>>1598159
>It's because she's EN and cover treats them like a golden goose which makes them restricted fuck, she's just straight up mentioned how management won't give her collabs she wants

So if she doesn't get the collabs she "wants", she just won't collab at all?
There are multiple HoloJPs who'd be overjoyed to collab with Mori - which she'd know if she fucking cared about Hololive at all. I know that sounds unreasonably harsh and is an overused meme catchphrase, but again, it's kinda irksome that she doesn't take the opportunities that are there for her instead of just pining for the outside collabs and when they don't come then just do no collabs at all.

>Even Kiara has expressed interest in wanting to collab with Veibea yet nothing has come of it

Not comparable. Kiara, for all her faults, didn't go on a seemingly petulant "collab strike" just because she didn't get her outside dream collab granted (and really, Veibae is your example? Kiara mentioned her maybe once in a throwaway line, and now let's count how many times Moist Jesus was mentioned by Mori...), instead Kiara is more than happy to collab inside Hololive only in the first place.

Again, it all circles back about what seems to be different levels of caring about Hololive at all.

>>1597994
>She wanted to appear on anituber channels as a novelty
Anon, i'll shit on Mori for a lot of things, but her appearing on fucking Kadokawas pet podcast was clearly something Cover would have really pushed for

>>1598526
Also to give context to Kiara's veibae line she only came up during the stream that Kiara got her rigging upgraded and was talking about who else her rigger papa made and called Veibae her half sister due to same rigger.

>>1598526
Collab strike? What the fuck are you talking about? What was the ollie and reine collab then? Ollie already mention Mori is shy about asking jp senpais about collabing. Senpai's should be the one's to ask in the first place if they cared as much as they say they do.

>>1598493
who are there besides like AZKi and other hololive members?
Nyanners?

>>1598436
kek

Mori clearly thinks the only reason anyone cares about her is her work, the music, videos, etc. But Holofans are more about the person, to succeed at live you have to realize the streams are what people are there for. They like seeing a cute anime girl on a video. But Mori ignores that part since it isn't real "work" to her and it all gets fucked up.

>>1598435
>they are ironic weebs though
I dont like them, but the two Asian guys have been at this since long before anyone thought you could make a living on anime youtube

>>1598574
See >>1598493 she wants more 3d and 2d mix

>>1598402
I know it didn't even know what that was until this board was created

>>1598395

Not really, actually. If I hated her I'd want her gone from Hololive at all, or be happy about her being not so involved in the company. You know, typical anti thinking.

Instead, it's because I think she can be actually quite good, that I want more hololive collabs with her, instead of less. There is so much potential in her interactions with other holos, for example we're all dying to see her collab with her fangirls like Suisei or Polka, that it's just infuriating to see that potential ignored, and needlessly feeds the rrats that she seems to care less about it than the fans do.

>>1598609
>Ollie already mention Mori is shy about asking jp senpais about collabing.
That's just Mori's excuse for not asking any.
The Q&A made it crystal clear that she doesn't care to collab with any of them. She couldn't name a single person and deflected HARD from the topic.

>>1598612
Most of the nijiniggers and a fuckton of indies

>>1598622
They sucked then too. No one needed anitubers.

>>1598667
Except she collab with Reine like she said she would? Are you just being retarded?

>>1598503
What social benefits do you get by being a weeb?

>>1598705
Apparently retarded fan girls from overseas will import themselves to simp for you

>>1598700
you mean after she mispronounced her name?

>>1598436
Niggas mad because 3D is 3D. Baffles me everytime. I love watching Mori and even I simp for her (without money of course), but you can't come into vtubing shit and expect the 3D woman behind the avatar to be able to reciprocate all of your wants.

>>1598628
That doesn't mean she wanted to collab with more anitubers.

>>1598732
Stop moving the goalpost faggot.

>>1596896
You legit had me until the spectrogram. Thank you.

>>1598722
What?! I've been a weeb for over 15 years and that's never happened what am I doing wrong?

>>1598700
The Q&A was about JP senpais, Indogs are irrelevant and more often than not ask the ENs for collabs

>>1598738
Oh right maybe she was going to appear on h3h3 or something that’s better then

>>1598761
You aren’t doing it ironically while mugging for the camera so everyone knows you’re way too cool to be into this nerd shit

>>1598766
Haven't they all already been on Vice?

WHY DON'T YOU FUCKS HATE MORI
FUCK ALL OF YOU. SHE'S RUINED EVERYTHING SINCE JOINING HOLOLIVE WITH THAT NIGGER RAP OF HERS, FUCK ALL OF YOU FUCKS.

YOU'LL BELIEVE ANYTHING THIS FAT BIMBO WILL SAY BECAUSE YOU'RE ALL SIMS.

I'M ALREADY CRYING BECAUSE SHE RUINED MY PERFECT HOLOLIVE EN. FUCK ALL OF YOU.

>>1598763
maybe it's because they are actually fluent in english?

>>1598763
>more often than not ask the en for collabs
Yes, and Mori more than likely would say yes if JP senpai's would actually ask for collabs.

>>1598493
50 cent collab here we go.

>>1598786
Damn if only I had known

>>1598811
They want to but are shy.
Mori doesn't want to but pretends to be shy to have an excuse.
That's the difference.

>>1591749
wait is it racist for gentiles to say goy or is it racist for jews to call us goy?

or is the racism pointing out that jews view us as less than equal to them?

>>1598808
meds

>>1598808
I hate that I got banned for calling her a nigger but that's about it

>>1598855
You'd have a point if she didn't just collab with people who asked her. Now if JP can stop pretending to care, that'd be nice. Seems to fool you guys enough, though.

>>1598667
This. She has repeatedly demonstrated to be the least knowledgeable about Hololive out of all the EN girls, and even excusing that, she also demonstrated the least effort put forth into rectify that apparent gap at least.

>>1598861
>racist for gentiles to say goy
Exactly you filthy rabbit goyim!

>>1598667
Okay so what if she doesn't want to collab with JPs?

>>1598806
why does Ame, who's less fluent in japanese, collab more with HoloJP than Mori?

>>1598766
>inb4 she goes to Joe Rogans podcast
I would not even mind because it would be great to see Joe's reaktion to white vtubers culture.

>>1598808
>Kek antis are getting more pathetic by the minute.

After timelooping, and seeing they can't deter Deadbeats, they now cling to desperate matters like demonizing Fake Type

>>1598996
>Ame
>fluent in JP

nigger what?

>>1598947
Then in their minds she deserves to be graduated, I guess?
I don't really bother trying to follow the logic of most of the idiots in these threads, since it's basically impossible to separate shitposts from falseflags from genuine antis from people with legitimate concerns that you can discuss what is bothering them like functioning human beings.

>>1599014
I unironically want a Vtuber JRE episode.

>>1598808
>has to make up an imaginary strawman because he can't handle reasonable criticism of his perfect girl who can do no wrong.

>>1599044
anon your reading reps.

>>1598808
Jesus take your fucking meds faggot

>>1599044
reading comprehension, nigger

>>1590868
Don't you think that the quality of her streams would take a nosedive if she just forced herself to do them as much as possible?
And she would probably seriously get sick because she would drink a lot more alcohol ("herp derp I can magically drink tons of liquor and be fine" - nah sorry Mori, human bodies don't run on willpower).

>>1598930
>She has repeatedly demonstrated to be the least knowledgeable about Hololive
Well she did say she had no interest in Idols or vtubing before getting into Hololive. If you want to blame somebody blame Cover for choosing her.

>>1599111
Why is Ame looking at my dick?

>>1599095
FUCK OFF FALSEFLAGGING DEADBEATS. CONTINUE BOOTLICKING THAT BLONDE BIMBO KAREN.

>>1599138
That's okay, the problem is that it's been 6 months and she still doesn't care.

>>1599125
Anon it's just playing vidya and talking for a couple of hours per day. You speak like she is working in a coal mine or some shit. Burgers are such bitching faggots

I'm actually rather concerned about this stuff, this person she's doing stuff with already mocked her in the past, what's stopping him from doing it again.

>>1599174
Your boy is gonna be used like a tool for the fame of another and you will like it!

>>1599174
>GoD rrat
Really zero originality

>>1595162
JermGura collab when??

>>1598622
And Connor (white guy) really isn't a ironic weeb either, he is just normalfag who likes anime.

>>1599125
>("herp derp I can magically drink tons of liquor and be fine" - nah sorry Mori, human bodies don't run on willpower)
Dont concernfag; she's a grown functional alcoholic

>>1599167
I'm not suggesting that the quality will get worse because she is overworked or some shit but because she feels like it's a total grind to get that shit over with while her mind is elsewhere.
And she's using alcohol as a cheap way to be more entertaining (or at least that's what she thinks) and that becoming a constant habit isn't very healthy which only create a downward spiral. She's already in that spiral but it's not going as fast down as it would be if she did that shit almost daily.

>>1599147
Bro.. you didnt have to do it to yourself

>>1599234
I'm just being realistic. She cannot survive that shit for long. No human can.
>>1599167
oh and I am not a burger btw. krauts are shitty as well, probably nr.2 in overall shittiness in the entire world, but I still feel a little superior to burgers.

>>1599230
He sounds like a faggot. I would not like hololive to be associated with someone like that.

>>1599162
Well what should she do in your opinion? Start forcing herself to collab with JPs even if the collabs would be awkward?

>>1596549
Is mix of hikkis better?

>>1599316
I thought cringe was mori’s charm point?

>>1599299
He is just Welsh and only based person from that podcast. Which is surprising for normalfag.

>>1599316
You think she collabed with Korone, one of the highest rated EN/JP collabs, because she actually gave a shit about Korone?
No, Korone probably just asked her and she said oh well ok.

And yeah "forcing" yourself to learn about your job is part of the job. Nobody gives a shit about whether she really cares about idols or not. Oh boohoo I gotta inform myself on something I don't have an explicit interest in while earning 100k a month!

Bitch couldn't even name a song she liked from other Holos. NOT EVEN A SONG.

>>1599289
>I'm just being realistic. She cannot survive that shit for long. No human can.
I haven't done my roommate reps, but a lot of people keep it up through their late 20's-mid30's and manage just fine.

>>1599384
I apologize if it seemed like I was asking to hear more about the anime pod cast men. I was not, and would prefer to never hear or think about them again. Cheers.

>>1599339
Yeah but i think forcing her to collab would not do any good.

>>1599415
No problem.

>>1599174
She's gonna be one of those girls who keeps hooking up with the guy who only wants her for hoohaa time, but she still holds hope that someday he will like her as a gf.

>And yeah "forcing" yourself to learn about your job is part of the job

No, putting out content is the job. She puts out tons of music, that it makes the other holos look disgraceful. She's not required to like hololive music. She sticks with watching her genmates, because that's what she's comfortable with.

>>1599399
But as you clearly don't like her isn't it better than you see less of her with chuubas you like?

>>1598526
>So if she doesn't get the collabs she "wants", she just won't collab at all?
Are you retarded? your question was "why doesn't she collab outside of hololive" the answer is management won't let her collab with the people she wants to
Why the fuck would she collab with some literally whos she doesn't even want to just for the sake collabing?
>There are multiple HoloJPs who'd be overjoyed to collab with Mori - which she'd know if she fucking cared about Hololive at all
You're being presumptuous retard, she completely open JP collabs but just wants them to reach out to her first
That's entirely the reason the Korone and Watame collabs happened
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dYKMEf0yCw
Further more I think she's even aware how many JPs admire her, you're attributing it to malice because it fits your narrative and preconceived basis when in reality it's just ignorance
She was complete taken aback when a chatter told her that Suisei referred to her as her oshi was surprised Suisei had that much respect for her
Also you completely neglect that collabs are two-way street, if JP members like her so much then tell to get off their asses and make the first move, if they'd "be overjoyed" as much as you fags like to circlejerk over they less they could is DM her on discord
>Not comparable
>and really, Veibae is your example? Kiara mentioned her maybe once in a throwaway line
Kiara has quite literal conversated with her on twitter and mentioned how they should do a collab together in the future, it caused /hlgg/ to have an entire episode were they freaked out over how much they hate Veibae
>go on a seemingly petulant "collab strike"
There is no "strike" retard, she LITERALLY had a fucking with Reine last week
> now let's count how many times Moist Jesus was mentioned by Mori...)
She hasn't organically mentioned that retard since early November, you unironically let him live rent free and purposely interpret any of her mentions about collabs in as much bad fate as possible and assume she's talking about him when she's given up collabing with as far back as October
"Riri? Rene? Coco? Ironmouse? Haruka? Luci? duuur no she must mean peepeepoopoo man!"
Again it all circles back to you being a massive fucking retard

>>1599044
faggot, that's exactly the point.

Ame has next to no JP skills, but still manages to collab more with HoloJPs than Mori. Even if it's just by cute squeaks and grunts, she's willing to put out the effort.

Mori, who could handle at least basic conversational japanese, does not.
There is just the one Korone collab to date, and even that was more of an eigo practice session for the dog.

So why the difference? If Ame didn't collab, she would have the excuse of language inability, but she does despite her handicap. So people naturally get the idea that the difference rather lies in caring / not caring as much about Hololive.

Oh and inb4 the cope of "w-well, maybe the HoloJPs just asked Ame more, and Mori not so much, t-that's why..."
Yeah sure, I totally believe that they'd request the girl who speaks next to no japanese as a collab partner more than the girl who they could at least have basic conversations with, and that's not even getting into the fact that multiple Holos are on record as being explicitly interested in Mori. Gets excused away with "b-but they're probably all just too shy to reach out"? Oh, how convenient, this confluence of coincidences. And ALSO Mori doesn't at least reach out herself, when she see's this (or rather "if", which she'd know if she'd care to look around what's happening with her supposed colleagues), to reciprocate and help them get over that hump? Face it, there are so many issues mounting that by occam's razor it becomes the more reasonable explanation that she just doesn't care enough.

When will Bloodborne finally get fucking approved. Perhaps Mori will be more motivated to do streams when she can do the content she wants.
All of the girls seem like they're starving for the content they want (Gura with Valheim, Kiara with FF14 and Ame with Borderlands 2).

>>1599174
Can people stop pretending like they know anything?
Dissing is normal for rappers. Who knows whether it was meant maliciously or like a friendly jab?
Certainly none of us knows this shit better than the roommate herself and the decision is up to her anyway so why stress about it? What's the worst that could happen? He is an asshole to her and she is depressed for a couple of weeks? Not the end of the world either.

>>1599516
If we put occam's razor it's literally because Jp doesn't ask you retard.

>korone asks
>collab happened
>watame asked
>collab happened
>ollie reine asked
>collab happened

why do people want her to do JP collabs? are there so many moon speakers here or do you just want it for the clips with subs?

>>1599570
The worst that could happen is she could suck the smegma off his uncut Japanese cock, that’s why no one wants idols who interact with men

>>1598947

>Okay so what if she doesn't want to collab with JPs?

Then why is she in the company in the first place, if she doesn't care for the talents who built it?

(besides to promote her music haha)

Seriously, if that's supposed to be an excuse, it's not a good one.

>>1599594
/hlg/ refugees, please understand

>>1595227
The "using superchat money for condoms" have never been more real

>>1599594
It's mostly people who just use it as a convenient shorthand "valid" reason to hate her. The vast majority of /vt/ is not even N5 let alone JSL, so at most it would be begging for translated clips.

Wish she tried going indie and then she'd realize that people only give a shit about her and her shit music cause she has a cute avatar

>>1599594
Grasping at straws for a "valid" reason to hate her

>>1599516
>Face it, there are so many issues mounting that by occam's razor it becomes the more reasonable explanation that she just doesn't care enough
I agree that a lot her problem are self- made and she should learn to say no to her friends but what do i care? I don't even put any money for this.

>>1599596
And? It's a 3DPD doing disgusting shit like any 3DPD does. That doesn't affect the 2D waifu we're interested in. If it did, then she would already be ruined or are you delusional enough to think that rm is a virgin who never tasted the cum of some smelly jerk?

>>1599596
All idols interact with men.

>>1599671
All yours buddy. I think that’s gross.

>>1599657
You should care to maintain the illusion for your fellow simps, they are the ones keeping your autist oshis on the payroll

>>1599728
They didn't care then, what will make them care now? Or are you just going to play stupid?

>>1599602
>Then why is she in the company in the first place, if she doesn't care for the talents who built it?
Why did Cover hire a person who doesn't care about whole vtubers thing?

>>1599516
>Ame has next to no JP skills, but still manages to collab more with HoloJPs than Mori.
And most of them suck because she doesn't speak japanese and is forced to just make noises
I seriously don't get why some of you guys value the idea more than the actual end product
Also
>Oh and inb4 the cope of "w-well, maybe the HoloJPs just asked Ame more, and Mori not so much, t-that's why..."
I love how you answer your own question but just disregard because it wouldn't fit your narrative lmao

>>1599802
Savior complexYagoo thought he could fix Cali's autism

>>1599718
Anon, all of the holos had sex. They aren't virgins.

>>1599509
>Further more I [missing a "don't" here?] think she's even aware how many JPs admire her.
>She was complete taken aback when a chatter told her that Suisei referred to her as her oshi was surprised Suisei had that much respect for her

But this is exactly the point. If she >cared enough to get to know the Hololive sempais, she'd know about it. Hell, I'm not even talking about that she needs to watch hours of their streams, but if she'd at least care enough to look up (ugh) clips about them, she'd know what they say about her.
The fact that she doesn't at all points in the direction that she just isn't really interested in them.

Which is, okay, if we're at least getting the defenders to admit that this is a real thing that is happening instead of just coping up excuses for why this totally isn't a real thing, fine, at least we're making progress here. Then we can move on to discuss wether that's a good behavior or attitude to have.

>>1596896
>the existence of small-legged dust particles who were climbing in and out of her nose
o i am laffin

>>1599802
>Why did Cover hire a person who doesn't care about whole vtubers thing?
Have you seen her song views? Her SC numbers? Cover does a lot of retarded things, but it'd be hard to argue Cali was one of them

>>1599621
I don't know, i can see deadbeats being one of the fanbase that follows her even after she leaves Hololive.

>>1599621
>people only give a shit about her and her shit music cause she has the reach of the hololive brand
ftfy.

Chuubas with cute avatars are also diamond dozen and they're still 99% 2views. It's solely because of Hololive (you know, that thing she doesn't care for, and ugh she doesn't have to, whatever, it's fine!) that she's provided with the audience she has now.

>>1599902
So do you want her to collab with JPs and if you don't then what do you care?

>>1599847
>And most of them suck because she doesn't speak japanese and is forced to just make noises

If you think the Ame-JP collabs sucked, wouldn't you think that maybe a Mori collab, who can at least converse back in japanese, wouldn't suck so much but instead be much better?

>>1599174
her being his meal ticket, probably

>>1599902
>Also you completely neglect that collabs are two-way street, if JP members like her so much then tell to get off their asses and make the first move, if they'd "be overjoyed" as much as you fags like to circlejerk over they less they could is DM her on discord
You should've read this part instead of skipping
> I'm not even talking about that she needs to watch hours of their streams, but if she'd at least care enough to look up (ugh) clips about them, she'd know what they say about her.
That's retarded, she doesn't need act like a fan and ego search for moments were they mention her, when they literally have her Discord, twitter and probably her phone number, if any JPs wanted to collab they could literally contact her at any moment
This just keep circling back to JPs who supposedly want to collab, not making an effort and you doing mental gymnastics to shift blame and imply that this is somehow Mori's fault
Korone got her collab because she actually made an effort speak to Mori, Watame got her collab because she actually made an effort to speak to Mori
So what the fuck is stopping the others? and how is it Mori's fault that they can't even assed to DM her?

>>1600115
>who can at least converse back in japanese, wouldn't suck so much but instead be much better?
Maybe, practically the reason the Korone collab went well was because they spoke english for half of it
Maybe Ame should collab with more JPs who are ESL like Aki or just collab with another American like Coco

>>1600100
I do want her to collab with JPs, that's obviously my whole point.

I care because from my fan's point of view, I'd be overjoyed to be in Hololive and finally able to collab with all these cool talents that I only admired from afar, which are the major reason why I'd applied in the first place.

The fact that she apparently doesn't leaves me wondering why she's there at all. Not even in a wholly cynical way ("hurr just promoting ya bois music tehe"), because I can understand from Cover's business point of view why their main interest is in that she brings in the money and not how much she does or does not care about all the other Holo members. But why then is she here, if it's not about the cynical reason, but it's also not about interest in the previous Hololive talents who built the whole brand up in the first place? She already basically admitted to knowing next to nothing about them and doing a quickshot application kinda as a joke.

>>1600399
ESL

>>1596166
>Mori is closer to an idol than Suisei
The worst thing is I think globalfags actually believe this

>>1590868
ogey

>>1600399
She didn't even think anything would come of it. The whole reason she's stayed was because of her genmates (who actually interact with her unlike JP), and to be able to do music and entertainment for a living. Rather simple don't you think?

>>1600181
Even if one generously grants you the supposition that all the Holos who expressed interest on record to collab with her then just didn't go through with it, for "reasons" (shyness? management interference? Those are usually the most common things bandied about), that'd be only one half of the equation.

Because Mori would also be able to express interest and initiate a collab. Yet she doesn't seem to do much of that.

>>1600575
Because the others have no proof of going through with it unlike korone, watame, ollie, and reine. It has also been already said by Mori herself, and backed up by Ollie that Mori doesn't like to initiate conversations.

>>1600399
>I care because from my fan's point of view, I'd be overjoyed to be in Hololive and finally able to collab with all these cool talents that I only admired from afar
>But why then is she here, if it's not about the cynical reason, but it's also not about interest in the previous Hololive talents who built the whole brand up in the first place?
Because you're fanboy self-inserting into a scenario in which you're cute girl that go accepted into hololive
You'd probably be like Kiara or Ollie if you joined, The first thing Ollie did after her collab ban ended was DM every hololive member memes she thought were funny as icebreaker
Mori has made clear it that she doesn't want feel like she's pestering/pressing senpais to collab her
It's that simple

>>1600575
What >>1600632 said
The others have proof, Korone spoke to her and they bonded over similar interest, Watame contacted her and expressed interest in doing a song, Ollie and Reine publicly showed up in her chat as she streaming and asked for collabs
>Because Mori would also be able to express interest and initiate a collab
She chooses not to initiate because she afraid to make her senpai feel like she's bugging them or pressuring them into collabs, in her mind it is better to just not have collabs than potentially annoy a senpai by begging for one
She's also just generally shy and this is a fact corroborated by Ollie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgDLdhEmCjw
And I trust her first hand experience more so than schizos on /vt/ jumping to conclusions and making assumptions

>>1596488
>Voms
Don't speak English or Mandarin
>Nijisanji
Don't speak English and I won't give the Chinese branch money out of principle
I already know two language, I refuse to waste my time learning a dying one as my third.

>>1600661
Sure, I can see that. Again, it's just that it feels kinda weird to me that a fan seems to "care" more about Hololive than a talent who already works there.
(just a simple example to illustrate what I mean - I could probably name more of her company coworkers off the top of my head than she could, even after half a year)
And there's probably a reasonable middle ground between being annoying and pushy about collabs and not initiating anything at all out of misapplied humility. I just hope Mori gets there, over time, because again, I'm not saying any of this out of actual hate (if I were a real anti, I would rather be happy that she keeps to herself and isn't much involved with the others), rather I'm just remarking that it's a shame that so much potential of cool collabs goes by unrealized.

Thanks for the reasonable conversation. I won't belabor the point much further, it's not that important in the grand scheme of things anyways, and hey maybe it gets better in the future, maybe not, so it's either way probably best to stop worrying so much about.

>>1600882
>Again, it's just that it feels kinda weird to me that a fan seems to "care" more about Hololive than a talent who already works there.
Not weird at all, the fan presumably spent less time polishing a skill someone would want to watch and more time watching streams

>>1595400
>Does she have low self esteem

Yes, that's how companies like their workers to be especially entertainment ones. However, they usually fall into their fans instead of simping for the guy they were simping over for years.

I guess it goes to show if you give her any irl praise she will literally worship the ground you walk on, which is the most unhealthy attitude.

>>1600882
>Again, it's just that it feels kinda weird to me that a fan seems to "care" more about Hololive than a talent who already works there.
Because you conflate caring as a desire to hang out with streamer personalities that you spent time watching and grew admire, when putting out material content matters more
In just six month Mori has made 2 EPs, 3 singles, 1 feature (cloudy sheep), the hololive alternative theme, All written and performed by her, 1 duet cover song (Wah Wah World with Kiara) 1 animated MV (Hintori) 2 animations (Her old intro, Kiara's old intro), the one and (currently) only holo who's channel is verified as an artist , topped selling charts on itunes
She put on more content in the span of half-a-year than some holos have in their entire careers
The only other holo who matches her output is AZKi, but you probably wouldn't like her either since she often goes weeks without streaming and rarely collabs with anyone besides Sora

>>1601147
>the one and (currently) only holo who's channel is verified as an artist
I know a guy who's verified as an artist and he's a literally who who needs to work a day job; I think its more she's the only Holo who cared enough to apply

>>1590868
It's not like she does a lot of backstage shit for hololive.

>>1595004
>I don't deserve this money and support!"
So basically she is saying the same thing as you. here's your (you) for useless post

>>1590868
Impregnating sex with Calliope.

Daily reminder that she WILL get away with it

>>1602061
666d6 will never die.

OP is acting like Mori hasn't already provided us with hours of VODs full of music laughs and cries. OP is acting like Mori hasn't inspired gigs of fan art. OP is acting like Mori never made us feel human, or whole.

OP...

>>1596855
based. fuck that leftist redditer.

>>1597244
NO