/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Only if you can be entertaining by yourself without being carried by brand, which unfortunately 90% of holos lack.

She's certainly the proof that gachikois won't mind collabs with men

>>15937164
Nope. After she left I stopped watching her I did try following her on twitter and shit but the simple fact of the matter is without having other people who are remotely interesting available to collab with she just sucks.
>inb4 Zhang

>>15937164
only if you are able to leech off of your own success in the way that kson did by making your secondary channels not difficult to find.

I don't know much about JP but in EN, Mori is kind of in a similar spot that Coco was. If she graduated tomorrow she'd retain a good chunk of her followers

>>15937164
Yes. More holos should follow

>>15937164
She'd be dead in the water if not for religiously devoted superchatters. Her views are nowhere near as good as when she was in Hololive.

>>15937284
中に人 or w/e is the term is pretty common knowledge JP side. They don't have places with moderated discussion that omits roommate talk like we do here and normalfags have on /r/hololive

>>15937413
why do we get banned to shit here then

>>15937164
>tremendous benefits
What did she get other than Chinkaroo haunting her?

>>15937448
Freedom

i haven't given her a chance after she left. i don't care about a streaming cosplayer and coco's solo content was okay - where she thrived was asacoco and collabing with her peers.
she can still do the things i used to like but without it directly referencing other things i like, the magic isn't really there. i'm glad she can remain successful, but the conditions for enjoyment i got from this streamer died when she left.

What >>15937247 said. Say for example Marine and Aki graduated on the same day. Marine would still have a significant following post-Hololive and would be well off because she has such an enthusiastic personality. Aki on the other hand, as sweet as she is, would be worse off because she's not energetic enough.

>>15937379
>she wouldn't be so successful if she weren't successful
I mean... yeah?

>>15937468
"Freedom" is one of the massive copes of our times.

If anything, she can manage her own shit without any consequences in the short term.

>>15937264
There's a possibility she's leaving a lot of money on the table with that. See Rushia. Pandering to gachikoi seems to adversely affect your sanity though. Again, see Rushia.

Nope, most holos are extremely dependent on their image and their relationship with their peers.
Kson also is, which is why a big part of the discussion regarding she is about her hanging out with her friends from Hololive.
She just managed to build up the perfect storm for her graduation, the Chinese bots causing grief to her, which was beyond her control, management damage controlling by trying to censor and isolate her, then she preparing for her big exit months prior.

It will be really hard for someone else to pull the same stunt.

>>15937574
But isn't she making the same in SCs as back when she was in Hololive and never collabed with men? I'm not a numberfag so I don't keep detailed tabs on that shit

>>15937164
>quitting Hololive has tremendous benefits
like what? give answers that doesn't accuse her of leeching

>>15937641
hololive probably take like a 80% cut too

>>15937641
idk how reliable this site is but apparently she's down in the 50's now.

https://playboard.co/en/youtube-ranking/most-superchatted-all-channels-in-worldwide-total

That's still a shitton of money. I'm just saying, there are financial benefits to the no-men thing.

>>15937264
Gachikoi and unicorns are not the same thing.

>>15937667
It's 50% after YouTube takes their 30% though it can be negotiated like Lamy.

>>15937876
Highway fucking robbery. Sheesh. Does A-chan really need that much money to make jazz playlists?

>>15937445
Because jannie-trannie

>>15937164
she has shit views now anon

>>15937906
what does sheesh mean

>>15937247
>kson
>entertaining

>>15937164
She's a really good streamer and I would watch 100% of her content if she played the games that I like.
But what made her a trendsetter was her creative collaborative work. Hololive was an ideal enviroment, and EN debut was her chance to go global af... until all the bs happened.
Her numbers now are the same she was getting on her endgame solo streams as Coco. If she's going for more, then there's a lot that she has yet to try as Kson before cosidering going back to the idol agency.

>>15937906
Tradeoff. You get the initial brand boost and you pay a cut to the company.
50% is like industry standards as well.

>>15937574
Rushia's sanity was already bad before she went full parasocial. Certainly going to the point where you consider chat your boyfriend even as your roommate must be extremely abnormal in terms of what normal people consider canity. But whether it's an improvement or detriment or not compared to before is a different question. Without chat's parasocial relationship there's a high chance she would've comitted suicide when her cat died.

>>15937906
Most of the entertainment industry takes pretty high cuts. You just don't see it or never cared.

>>15938126 (me)
sanity* not canity

>>15937948
It's a type of tobacco you smoke in succubus bars

>>15937876
I doubt Lamy ever said anything about how her SC money gets handled.

>>15938360
She did and it's widely known actually. Do your reps.
She didn't went into the specifics though iirc.

>>15937906
Record labels pay their artists 10-15%.

>>15938449
They should also be killed

>>15937164
Only if you made bank in hololive
Coco was one of their top earners
But some one like choco or aki, would not survive outside holo

>>15938126
Rusia is such an interesting case for me
Whenever there is a study or some work of fiction focused on parassocial relationships it's always on the fan side, never on the idol side

>>15938415
How can she go into the specifics of something that she never discussed.
Your source is some bullshit you read here.
Stop spreading it.

>>15937164
Maybe if your plan is to get as much money as possible in a few months after graduation and move on from vtubing, because Kson has been reclining in every possible metric but she may still be making more money than when she was in cover but that is not gonna last for long.
>>15937247
Ironic, when all of her popular stuff involved other holomems.

No, she proved how irrelevant and how much of a hack she was.

>>15937413
They do you're completely delusional

>>15938624
Mona Lisa Overdrive has a terrific depiction of a parasocial relationship, from both sides. Although Gibson's idea of how it works is that the idol doesn't quite understand the impact she has on her fans. Rushia is exceptional.

>>15938706
She doesnt have merch anymore so she lost a huge fucking lot

>>15938501
Make your own company and give the artists a 80% cut. Hope you're ready to sell your house to pay your debts.

Very few corporate vtubers would survive in the indie wilds.
Many of them already didn't. The brand hard carries a lot of them. Not all of them though, some of them it simply gave exposure to and they blew up. (see Pekora when she finally decided to go all-in in 2020 and exploded, sometimes literally in Minecraft)
There's also the question of "why leave?", a lot of them have fun doing the idol stuff, it gets them connections and behind the brand it gets them further connections that larger companies would never entertain for any amount of money. (see Watames recent MV, holy fuck girl you crazy, that must have cost a fortune)
Coco never cared much for the idol stuff, there was no surprise she would have left first, that's if you ignore the retard antis, with them even more reason. She had her fun and got out.
It's a hard decision to make. I can expect some of them will move on in a couple years, I don't THINK anyone will graduate this year, but maybe next, a big maybe, a lot of them are happy just having fun.
This is, of course, excluding a cataclysmic disaster that destroys the company.

>>15939114
have you never heard of a workers co-op you bitch

>>15938803

Uh....are you really that retarded, or is this a LARP?

>>15937164
If going on Trash Taste and pandering to Redchannit are the tremendous benefits you speak of then maybe

The obvious big issue is that now she's' got no real way to stay in the news cycle. She's been the biggest news story for a few months now, but she's down £20k from average this D
December when Holox debuted; even Council managed to knock her down £15k. in September. Not necessarily correlated, of course, but it is a worry.

>>15937164
No. She misses her friends.
There is near no-one that would actually benefit from quitting. Hololive is essentially a passive income. Even the people with both active Hololive and roommate money making, would be stupid to get rid of the Hololive account which is free advertising + connections.

Why do people pretend she didn't have a following before Coco?

>>15939378
She took a break.

>>15937468
from what

>>15939579
japs

>>15937247
Her leaving confirmed that she thrived when doing collabs. Her solo streams are meh and her collabs with others makes her guest shine.

>>15939579
filing paperwork to request permission for every stream you do

>>15937569
>"Freedom" is one of the massive copes of our times.
Not one to call her haters zhangs with no basis, but that's a zhang line if I've ever seen one.

>>15937279
Fuck off Zhang, she already has other indie people to collab with.

>>15939444
Because in the grand scheme of things she was pretty irrelevant compared to what she became.

>>15937279
>but the simple fact of the matter is without having other people who are remotely interesting available to collab with she just sucks
oh no no no no dayo

>>15940922
I always knew they would be great together. It's like a match made in heaven.

>>15938706
>Two more weeks, seriously bro believe me.
I've been listening to this for months

>>15940727
Alright then, proceed to prove how my statement is wrong.

Come on, don't use le stinky zhang trope, legitimately explain to me how she is now completely exonerated from any clause of her previous persona's contractual obligation, any responsibility that she may face in case of falling into a yab.

If you do it up until the next two or three hours and in a very elaborated way I might be impressed. It's 2 PM, this summer heat is roasting my balls and I could use some proper debate in this mongolian basket weaving forum for fucking once.

>>15939331
Stop coping

>>15938803
https://ksononair.booth.pm/

>>15937264
Her gachi fans left after collabs with Connor, Nux and the green goblin

>>15941426
Anon, don't tell Harry

>>15937264
she doesn't collab with them all that much vt drama baiting aside

I don't think there is an advantage of leaving hololive. Mori did it right - she gets to shitpost and stuff with the trashtaste crew but still keeps her ties with hololive

>>15937164
Nah she kept her oil barons and simps who'd give her money either way.
Although I had to wonder if some of them simps glow in the dark.

>>15937164
who?

>>15940922
Pikamee is shit revealing you have bad taste just proves my point

>>15940768
Shit indies
>Florida man
>Vshojo whores
>Pikamee

>>15941338
Damn this is cheap

>>15937279
she does shit with Pikamee on a regular basis but I get where you're comming from it's more like Kson 2.0 than unhinged Coco people were expecting, she was competent but never too exceptional as a solo streamer honestly people like Korone, Okayu or Pekora would do much better on their own than someone known mostly for her collabs and ideas she needs to direct a team badly but I guess the chinece menace is still holding her from involving more people.

>>15937164
>Lost major amount of supa revenue
>Lost major amount of viewers
>Have to leech off of jews such as Nux and Vshoujou

No benefit.

>>15937468
she doesn't do much more than Coco did outside of some collabs that management would probably block

It's amazing how many people here don't have faith in their oshi.
I guess they really don't like him enough to break the barrier of his character and keep loving him.

>>15942174
she autographed over 3k copies of the $100 full set. She made a good money.

>>15937164
I thought about writing a long post, but I decided to just make a tierlist instead and explain choices I expect people to find weird.
>Ollie in 2nd tier
She networked herself extremely well. She collabed with HoloJPs, NijiJPs, multiple JP indies, many westerners, and the whole ID scene that would likely stay with her and possibly even trade connection for connection.
>Chloe in 2nd
With how much gachi milking she's been doing, guaranteed to keep enough to get by even if she keeps less than Kson.
>but then why Lamy in 3rd
Not as confident in her gachikoi retention as in Rushia's and Chloe's, especially since Kson lost more than many expected. She does however have a strong core viewerbase, as do all 5th gens for that matter.
>Iofi in 3rd
Just like Ollie, networking, but this time with artists. Not as good as Ollie's, which she's not in 2nd tier, but enough to make a difference.
>Korone in 3rd
Health could get in the way, if it weren't for that I'd place her in 2nd
>Potential changes
La+ is slowly establishing her roommate, so if she keeps that up I'd push her to 1st tier.
If Kronii fixes her depression(which would likely take a while) I'd argue she'd be in 3rd tier.

>>15942418
Who's "he"?

>>15942978
which holo has no roommate acc?

what benefits? She's being carried by her gachikoi fans from the Coco era, If she didn't have them she'd be fucked.
Her content was the same as Coco but with more 3DPD shit involved like building Gundams.

Now she's following Holo members in the ultimate act of desperation, She should have just stayed as Coco but her deluded fans will say she's better off now when she's just an alcoholic doing unfunny shit like meme review or boring ARK.

>>15943199
Only Sora, Suisei and Lamy if I remember correctly. The thing is though, half of them have one but don't use it, and there are many with active but not established ones. For example Choco and Mel collabed with Kson on Choco's roommate but nobody noticed because that channel is a 3view on a good day.

>>15937164
Yeah the benefit of becoming a hack who has to rely on big news splashes to stay relevant for a day or two

"New outfit!" "New alternate model!" " streaming on twitch!"

Soon she's gonna run out of "exciting" shit for westerners to give a fuck about since she has no singing talent or isn't good at video games

>>15942978
koro should be one rank up at least. and i think i remember her being extremely well established on nnd. like one of the most popular female streamers ever, but i could be wrong about that.

>>15943965
Obviously you don't watch hololive so you can take your opinion and shove it up your ass, chances are you'll like it.

>>15942134
>Pikamee is shit
Objectively wrong

>>15942978
>Gura
>the VTuber with previously established successful history AND the highest subscribed v-tuber
>2nd to last tier
I see your bias there bud

Notice how much holo fans have turned against her after she left? The vast majority of holo fans can't stand anyone existing outside the hololive bubble. It's funny really.

>>15942978
What's the rationale for aqua? Too autism to collab as an indie?

>>15944580
I didn't like her when she was in Holo.

>>15942192
I hate Pikamee too.

>>15944632
Yeah she always had haters among holo fans but the vast majority had positive opinion of her. Now the ratio is completely flipped.

>>15944580
>the vast majority of holo fans
>a handful of retards on /vt/

>>15944427
Ogey

>>15944689
>graduate
>start getting involved with Holo members as Kson
not surprising, Even Japs don't like that shit.

It's proof that Hololive has brand power and simps will follow their Oshi.

>>15944735
Not surprising but it shows you can't graduate and expect to be successful. Holo fans are fans of the brand first. They are not going to follow the talents to the next life.

>>15944580

>>15944827
They aren't fans of the brand, They're fans of the members and the interactions together with each other, That's why Holo is so good.
Someone worded it perfectly, Watching Holo is like watching a SoL anime.
There's different stuff happening everyday with different members.

>>15944735
>Even Japs don't like that shit.
https://twitter.com/ksononair/status/1478329237551878146
lol

>>15944979
more places than twatter buddy.

>>15944901
Anon that can be said for all corporate groups of chuubas

>>15945124
Why aren't they popular then or having longevity? Holo wasn't even the first V-Tuber group.

>>15944901
As long as all the interactions remain inside the bubble. It's circular to say you like the members when the only reason you like those members is because they were chosen to be part of the brand. Only a small minority cares about the talents behind the brand. With Coco specifically, as soon as she graduated there were more outspoken critics of her than when she was actually active. Not talking about kson but all her work as Coco was much more heavily criticized. It's like they have to blot out the person that betrayed the brand.

>>15945097
what? your gonna link vtuber matome? they shit on everyone lol

>>15945145
I don't fucking know? Why do people love Drake so much?

>>15942978
You are incredibly wrong about Mel by the way who has just as much as an established roommate as Noel. Probably even more-so.

>>15945212
>Coco specifically, as soon as she graduated there were more outspoken critics of her than when she was actually active.
That's just not true, The members make the brand because they've accumulated a group of people that are likable, Not everyone eats shit up just because it has the Holo tag slapped on it.

Most vtubers on hololive depend on the whole holoweb to be relevant, consistent, inspired, etc.

If you want to know which chuubas would survive without hololive just see if she does a lot of "extra" stuff on her channel. If all she does is the bare minimum she won't make out of holo. If she does more quirky creative and inspired stuff then she can make as a indie creator after graduating.

>>15939417
being in hololive puts you in a box, you can only operate inside of this box, anything you want to do outside of it is not allowed, you simply giving up your freedom of choice and content for the income and brand, most holos don't care, less work, less thinking just grind the same shit over and over, but for those who want to create something, no matter how mundane it is, this box is a fucking hell.

>>15945389
>The members make the brand because they've accumulated a group of people that are likable
I think they got really lucky with a few of the older hires but recent gens, eh, it feels like they can hire any indie who can talk into a mike and she will be an instant hit. The relationship has changed.

>>15945212
>With Coco specifically, as soon as she graduated there were more outspoken critics of her than when she was actually active
She's had a lot of people shitting on her through her whole career, moreso when she became popular. These antis just had the perfect moment to shit on her and celebrate when she graduated.

>>15945360
Which she had to mostly shut down because of NND's rule changes. That's why he put her in the same category as Calli, who isn't quitting the company providing her Japanese visa until she can apply for permanent residence(late 2026 if I remember correctly?). No idea why the other two are there though, I don't know anything about their roommates.

>>15945524
>you can only operate inside of this box
wrong

> anything you want to do outside of it is not allowed
wrong


>you simply giving up your freedom of choice and content for the income and brand
examples of choice and content?

>>15943448
you do understand, that if she is doing the same shit as Coco, then her leaving wasn't entirely her own decision.

>>15945645
>then her leaving wasn't entirely her own decision
I'm not interested in your assumptions with no evidence mate.

>>15945524
... Just do it on your roommate account?
No need to leave Hololive. If you want to do something outside of the box literally just post it on your other account.

>>15944406
Sounds like the truth stings a bit

>>15945826
And a ching chong to you as well, zhang.

>>15937164
>Is she a sign that quitting Hololive has tremendous benefits?
She's an anomaly. She quit over a year ago and S T I L L is the most superchatted entity on the planet.

>>15942978
Depending on your definition of success Ina is going to be fairly successful as indie as of now. Before her roommate had 2view indie artist account, now takos will go to hell and back for her and most importantly they don't really give a fuck about hololive and collabs. Frankly, anyone from Myth has very good shot at going full indie now, after getting this much attention to themselves.

>>15937164
>because of management restrictions, half the shit she wants to do is prohibited, causing her to resort to alternatives
>now that restrictions are lifted, turns out she just wanted to do everything twitch thots already did, plus meme review
It has to do with personality and her is shit. CN got the boot and they're mostly fine, except for the obvious judas
China and its government can suck my big fat cock btw

>>15946218
NPC

>>15937164
Not really, she isn't pulling in Peko tier streams now or anything, in fact doing worse than Coco streams generally did. She was one of the absolute top earners in the world so it's no surprise she'd maintain that after leaving especially when you have such a strong sob story to match.

What she's done is use literally all indies+any agency willing to talk to her as a parachute to leech off of. Spent thousands on a very fancy model, etc. But no she's kind of irrelevant these days, at least in the Western sphere. Pity can only take you so far.

>>15946508
it's the other way around. Indies and small agencies are leeching her. You can't seriously say she is leeching off of the likes of kou rin.

>>15946616
I don't think Vwhorejo needs her to hang out with them lad
Any jap who watches Kson already knew about them

>>15946681
She barely collabed with vshojo. All of her most regular collaborators are smaller than her. They are also literally leeching sc and membership money from her gachikoi. Did you see how much 18go got after crying the other day?

She's still doing well with SCs (theyve reclined but not enough to be under what she made post-Cover cut as Coco) but her CCV (back when it was real) and VOD views are getting terminal. In the last two weeks her only VODs above 100k views have the word "reveal" in them. These are basically Matsuri numbers

>>15946928
>there are still holos doing worse than this indie
lol

>>15946464
yeah, she showed her hands in the last gundam stream. What a whore!

>>15937906
In exchange for obscene amount of exposure immediately upon debut, easy cooperation with the biggest names in the industry and an absolute rain of SC compared to before? that exchange is a no brainer.

>>15944580
hololive feels like a cult sometimes

>>15944580
I didn't follow her much while she was in hololive and I don't after, I just don't care too much. Don't be such a tribasic dumbass anon.

>join company
>make friends in said company
>leave company
>realize you now have no friends
>have to bring them back under the guise of their independent performer names
>openly acknowledge their professional character identities on twitter
>(You are now here)

How boring.

>>15947010
>goes from 500k vods post-graduation to actual streams getting less views than superchat reading from 4 months ago
congrats on doing better than aki and mel, i guess

>>15947328
I can't see the problem here, holomens beloves her.

>>15947452
I'm not denying her massive recline. It's just when matsuri was mentioned I had a realization that there are still main branch holos that are doing as bad as kson is even with the massive buff of being in holo and being able to do all these collabs anons are talking about. it's sad really.

>>15937164
If you can be succesful by yourself? Yes. But that requires either a large carryover from Hololive (which most Holos wouldn't have) or a decent amount of marketing knowledge AND a strong streamer hustle (which no Holos have). You can also just fucking luck out like a bunch of succesful streamers but lol, if you rely on that, lmao.

>>15947452
She's still outperforming chubas who gets direct holo box buff. Most indies can't reach 100 live viewers.

>>15947743
She's not an indie

>>15947790
lol

>>15947790
yes, she is. Nobody forced hololive fans to follow her.

>>15945826
>Sounds like the truth stings a bit
you're retarded? you literally described what holomen has been doing all last week and this week, even gura talked about wanting to stream on twitch.
if you don't know what you're talking about eat a bullet.

>>15947590
>large carryover from Hololive
relatively easy to set up, especially if you are on good terms with kson and other agencies
>a strong streamer hustle (which no Holos have)
they are doing that for living right now, yes under management, yes lots of logistics is on corpo side, but not impossible to play around by yourself
>marketing
collabs with other indies and agencies and following the trend is not that hard, especially if you are already set up and has starting audience of couple hundreds of gachikois.

>>15947790
She literally is, are you dumb?

>>15937247
All of HoloEN could quit and go to twitch and BTFO vshoujo

>>15948119
Myth - yes, even individually, council on the other side, could stumble upon some issues.

>>15944574
>thinking Gura wouldn't quit
She was basically running out on HER

>>15937164
Come home Shion become and indie and spend all day on Discord Voice Chat with Delutaya and collab with Kson. Bring Aqua with you it's time.

>>15942978
>Ollie in 2nd tier
>She networked herself extremely well.
do you think the anituber, vshoushit and other big names would help her indie to incline? not a chance

its not weird list, its just an incels thought list

>>15943468
Are you that retarded? There were multiple PoVs that day, not just the one with the smallest audience you mentioned.

>>15938624
Nietzsche cliche, when you look into an abyss etc. In order to make the fans obsessed and love you, you must become obsessed and dependent on your fans. Your fans merge into a single entity that is given life through the chat into a tulpa. Rushia probably has a doll with a computer screen built in, and she sleeps in bed with it at night.

>>15942978
You have no idea of what the fuck you are doing. Putting Fauna, that was a fairly successful indie (by indies standards) before Holo in that tier is just insanity.

>>15948119
No they wouldn't.
>>15937247
Very much this and Kson is actually a good example, she's floundering pretty bad since leaving and just does the same things she did as Coco.

>>15952605
I dont remember her showing the world her asshole as Coco

>>15953131
You have selective memory of BOTH streams then

>>15944591
thats an especially funny one since she inclined when being in hololive was basically like being an indie and the only person she collabed with back then she isnt allowed to collab with in hololive thanks to china

>>15952146
I want rushia to be hugging the embodiment of me and the rest of the fandeads right now as she sleeps, the same way I'm happily
hugging the rushia dakimakura that I fucked earlier today

>>15939148
Is there a vtuber co-op, comrade? People thought Vshoujo was until the Nux thing, when it came out than none of the talents is even in the loop about anything.

>>15953884
Real co-ops are almost never the idealized egalitarian version activists and founders imagine. Look into how Mondragon works, for example. Co-op is mostly a marketing brand and tax strategy.

>>15937164
No, she's a sign that camwhores always sell better than 2D.

>>15937164
She is an exception, not the rule. Anyone else who left and is cutoff from Hololive are virtually never to be heard of again. Even if they were, they are literal nobodies.

>>15953294
that's not spats, canonically that is body paint.

I'm still seething guys please understand

>>15956214
so there are beings more pathetic than chinks, a chink larpers

>>15956214
Based anon

>>15956214
>I'm retarded so I think Haachama's guilt confirms my dumb narrative so I will act like a schizo
I wonder how some people on this website function in real life

>>15937497
Pretty much how I feel. "Her" and "Her in Hololive" are two different things.

>>15937164
She is proof you can be a total camwhore and still somehow call yourself a VTuber.

>inb4 bugman

>>15956214
This is very schizo but I can understand his anger.
If Coco had stayed the situation would have played out entirely different.

>>15937164
Her stream is unironically awful now. But sure, if all you care about is money and literally nothing else, then go ahead. As long as you have a braindead simp fanbase like she does.

>>15958782
You are aware that she has only done 3 cam streams since her vtuber debut three months ago, right? You have to actually be on camera to be a camwhore.

>tremendous benefits
less money
less collabs
less job security
such benefits, wow

>>15959309
>less collabs
How many non-hololive collabs did she even have before?

>>15959088
>If Coco had stayed the situation would have played out entirely different.
no it wouldn't
chama was on the chopping block in the eyes of nga, just after Coco did the sam shit, they created moral high ground in their collective mind, "chama did it by mistake we are generous and forgive her, but Coco have to leave hololive"

>>15959162
No one actually watches the shitdragon. She's a prop in their bizarre ego war over the virtuosity of the anime girl streaming market.

>>15959283
Youtube isn't the only place she streams. You know that right?

>>15959539
>No one
I watch her, and I'm enjoying her streams.
what now anon-kun?

>>15959652
Yes on Mildom, where she also uses her avatar for every stream since her debut except for like 2 where she put on makeup while wearing Adidas sweaters. If you don't understand what a "whore" is you aren't really making a great case for yourself not being a bugman.

>>15960082
stop replying to shitposters, they want atention.

>>15956214
I'm convinced you're the same faggot who posted this in the confessions thread and now reposting this post in every Kson/Coco thread.

If so, mad props to you for the dedication

>>15937164
> she left because of her's friend benefit and not spilt any bean.
> Yakuza 6 's ending

Anonchama.....

>>15942978
You're wrong about Luna, she has literally said she'll go with the ship and stay in hololive unless it legit burns down.

>less SCs
>less views
>has to whore herself out to the likes of Connor and Nux to stay relevant
oh yeah, such great benefits

>>15961281
In the defend for Kson

Connor and Mouse came to help Mel collab with Kson. This is unplan collab.

>>15960849
I didn't write it, I just saved it and I think I know who it was because the guy blocked his Twitter after someone posted it somewhere else.
he is an anti chink who likes to dress up as a woman, you can find him in the fubuki tags.

>>15961281

And yet you still obsess about her all day, every day for months and months and months and months...

>>15961828
I think you are talking about yourself faggot

>>15961828
sure buddy, making one post about her since she graduated is obsession, you got it

>>15961960

Nah, I'm not the turbo-faggot who posts the same shit in six different threads six times an hour every fucking day. That's all you, bro.

>>15959520
So what you're saying is.
If Coco had stayed out off it, nothing would have happened.

Glad we agree.

>>15962092
>there couldn't POSSIBLY be more than one person who doesn't like my whore of an oshi, every negative post about her is the same guy

>>15952146
Rushia's oshi is chat, and yet she refuses to give an akasupa.

>>15962184
Sounds like you're implying Coco looked at her SC stats as a political statement. Are you perhaps Chinese?

>>15962190
we love that whore here, what now?

But December was her worst month in SCs since a few months after her debut? Yeah 30k ish is a lot for a indie but its trending downwards and all those male collab yabs arent gonna help.

>>15961281
>less SCs
Doesn't matter because she doesn't have Cover taking half the money.
>less views
Less zhangs watching yes

>>15962092
there are other people that don't feel the same as you do about different talents schizo cope with it

>>15962498
>thinks SCs are most of a chuuba's income
SCs are a measure of engagement. Their money comes from sponsors. Her brand is deteriorating.
>less views but it's a moral victory or something
keep telling yourself that

>>15962190

LMAO. You're not even good at faking it, schizo-kun.

>>15962380
You can see she started getting worried when she started debuting new outfits and avatar days apart .

>>15962847
faking that other people don't have an obsession for coco like you do?

take a moment before replying to see how crazy you sound right now

>>15962847
>calling other people schizo when you're the one with the delusion that there's only a single person on the entire board that doesn't like her

>>15937164
She was only enjoyable because she was pushing the limits of the other girls. Now she's just a random slut with nothing to contrast with.

>>15963488
No you're just a schizo my slut is perfect and can do no wrong I'm not coping you're coping

Money realy begets envy, the thread now is a mental ill asylum. Poor girl, i hope she don't egosearch in english.

>>15937497
I sadly have to kind of agree. She was my oshii as Coco, but part of it was the character she put on and the collabs... not to mention the smile of her last model as Coco was too damn cute. Now she's... lost a lot of that charm, especially since she can't collab with her old colleagues and has to be with *gag* vshojo

>>15962753
>SCs are a measure of engagement. Their money comes from sponsors.
do you really believe that all the money from sponsors goes to the Chubas?
Don't you know how companies work?
>less views but it's a moral victory or something
of course anon the views are super important especially because we all see the ads, isn't that right / vt /?

>>15937164
Kson would have been the one able to do it. THe rest of the girls, not so much.

>>15937876
More like 60%, Google take 30%, the girls themselves take 10% from SC and Memberships. The girls are however on salary, it is a low salary legit no high that US min wage, but after all is said and done the vast majority of the girls earn well in the lower 6 figures, they are all very well paid.

>>15937906
professional level music is very experience to produce on the corporate level. The are being treated better that Mike Tyson was by Don King. Also as long as the girls are mindful with their money they will be very fine.

>>15959309
>less job security
Are you sure? If anything, I think that increased.

>>15967090
Ado...be careful around the music exec ojisans...

>>15937279
And for every person like you who stopped watching her, there are people nlike me who started watching her.

If you think that stopping watching her was somehow punitive, you have your head up your ass.

>>15937957
>you
>WNBAW

>>15966703
Is the cover tax factored in after the google tax or its based on the raw total? If its after google's cut then the girls get 28% of the raw total, which isn't bad.
Coco has stated they can renegotiate their cut at some point too.

>>15953550
>I'm happily hugging the rushia dakimakura that I fucked earlier today
Did you cut a hole in it and chafe your benis with the stuffing or was this more of a dry hump kind of deal?

>>15937164
I would bite.
>tremendous benefits
No. She mentioned that it it's hard to manage creating merch and stuff. Also she got charged 50x more than the average on one merch/commission she requested.
Just because you can do whatever you want on streams doesn't mean the big events/merch/etc. is going to be easy to manage as well.

I like Kson but I don't see any "tremendous benefits".

Just like AAA game studios versus indie game devs.

>>15967090
>music production
most of producers are names from doujin music scene (some of them made it relatively big, but still niche in comparison)
I feel like if you scrub hard enough you can land a pretty cheap deal with someone like nhato/niki
>animation
you can get a pretty okay animator also relatively cheaply
>recording
feasible in at-home studios these days
>mocap and live concerts
now those ARE money pits, but still feasible for someone in 6 figures subcount/thousands live viewers range

>>15947969
>it's what Hololive does!
This is a kson discussion pedonigger, it's even more relevant to her than her former colleagues because she's literally alone

>>15962184
No, chinks will target another Hololive members anyway and if not Coco

> think will be more uglier than what really happen.
> You should grateful to Coco

>>15959520
That mean Coco not happen Chama will be NGA's target because they did not forgive her just change target and tgey even target Haachama next after Fubuki graduated.

>>15969887
Yes , this guy watched Kson stream and I can garantee this is the truth.

She left Hololive not because of money in the first place. She even said in mem stream that if she choose money, she would stay in Hololive.

Kiryu's destiny always die for happiness peoples around him/her and never talk about this in public.

But JP, Holo mems and Yagoo know it
That why she is loved by almost everyone in Hololive.

Do your Yakuza6 reps

>>15937723
She was only streaming for 4 months as kson so that naturally puts her lower in yearly statistics. If you look at the months by themselves she's doing about as well as she did as Coco.

>>15969887
Sorry my mistake I mentioned to another post

>>15968944
Nope she just stopped being relevant to me and I no longer need to or wish to induldge in caring about her or saying anything positive dislike it ESL nigger all you like

What the whole coco fiasco showed me is how much of a faggot the ""fans"" are

when she was graduating everyone was crying saying "i love you" "i'll wait for you" and other shit like that.

When she did come back the most of the fuckers weren't interested anymore. All that drama for nothing. I don't really like coco or k-son but it makes me mad that this shit could happen to my oshi and the most of the """""fans"""" would just abandon her the same.

Fucking faggots donate money and all that shit but can't really care if the person changes an avatar and its a little different from a few months ago.

>>15975313
>OP asks if leaving hololive would bring benefits to other members like her.
>you go off topic and start shitting on her for things that holos do too. if holo does it, it's good, if kson does it, it's bad.
>they point out the obvious and call you retarded.
>bu...but guys we're not talking about holo, we're discussing kson.
are you the result of incestuous sex?