/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

/vt/:
>"They're not your girlfriends"
rushia
>"You're my boyfriend after all, right? stay with me forever"
/vt/:
>"They don't actually love you"
lamy
>"I don't say it much because it's embarrassing but...aishiteru. I love you so much"
/vt/:
>"The holos are just a character and its kayfabe, no bearing on them irl"
pekora:
>"lmao my character completely died so quickly haha, oh well guess I'll never be a cute bunny princess like Luna after all. also let me explicitly tell you that I won't cry on stream because I want to be happy for you"
/vt/:
>"Once they step off-stream they barely think about you"
kanata about marine
>"all she can talk about irl is how much she loves you guys"
/vt/:
>"They don't actually like it they're doing it for money"
kanata
>"I'll never have a partner or betray you", literally asks suisei to remove male from radio show she would appear on
/vt/:
>"They think you're disgusting and they'll never fuck you or think of you that way"
okayu:
>exists
/vt/:
>"they'd never meet you irl and hate it when you try to get closer to them"
laplus:
>pretty much everything behind her seven proxies of casual viewer gatekeeping
/vt/:
>"they hate your incel mindset and none of them agree with you about how idols 'should' behave"
korone:
>"an idol must not have a man, an idol having a partner is literally the worst kind of person"
/vt/:
>"It's just a job for them, even if they enjoy it. They're just entertainers providing a service."
multiple holos:
>break down multiple times a year from overwork and panic about no longer being loved, obsessively stalk their fans and ditch entire collab circles and partners despite doing very well before

>>15935828
fpbp
Holochads are pretty spoiled, aren't we? I love them so much

>>15935757
based

>>15935757
based

It's fine Anon. As far as you don't hurt other people you can believe in the delusion you want.

>>15935757
based

>>15936129
>4chan being wrong is a delusion
Nice projection, white trash retard.

>>15935757
You sure drank all of the koolaid.

>>15935828
Wow, /vt/ is always wrong, color me surprised!

>>15936346
But Artia is the one that poisoned herself with her own decisions and mindless loyalty.

>>15935757
too based. i can't handle this bros..

>>15935828
I love vtubers so much bros, thanks for shitting on antis anon.

>>15935757
You had something going but then:
>who cannot understand the concept of human empathy and genuine affection
How do you know what empathy and genuine affection look like?
You've never experienced them or you wouldn't be This in the first place.
Blind leading the blind and all that.
Cynicism is rarely useful but you really overshot your goal to the point I wonder whether you aren't trying to get people to hate certain holos by being intentionally obtuse.

>>15935828
>rushia
>"You're my boyfriend after all, right? stay with me forever"
I CAN SAVE YOU RUSHIA

>>15936527
We've still got our hearts. Don't let them take it from us.

>>15935757
based

>>15936593
I never get this line, I've literally been in multi-year relationships before. Why would that prevent me from being "like this"?

>>15935828
Damn some of these girls sound fucking delusional. Just like their fans it makes sense now.
Pekora is based, though

>>15935828
>he really beliebes eit when they say it

>>15935828
>>"they'd never meet you irl and hate it when you try to get closer to them"
still true though
the only people who like actually getting to their fans personally are groomers

>>15936995
Kiara personally met her fans IRL as her roommate and received gifts from them in-person and then tweeted about it
Even Lulu was fine with stalkers

>>15936866
Is it really delusional if both they and their fans believe it? Pretty sure mutual belief are the only requirements for it to be a real thing.

>>15936593
you are guilty of the same 'overshot' that you claim that poster has done.
and while you don't have any insight to the lack of his understanding in human empathy and genuine affection, we get bombarded by the understanding of the retards who give (without being asked) their anti-GFE takes: sweeping generalizations that are never even metaphysically sound e.g. it is in a woman's nature that they are x, y, z; giving money to chuubas is bad (while apparantly spending copius amounts of time watching/discussing them is fine) --> never explained why
contrarian impulse leading retard takes, and all that.

>>15935757
>It's almost like the "based" takes are wrong and made by jaded faggots
I think you solved the puzzle. Next you'll probably realize that "King behavior" is that of a desperate lonely fag that allows himself to be exploited in the worst way possible. "Queen behavior" is that of an insufferable bitch that not even the most desperate incel will tolerate.

>>15936959
>he really believes that things are the way they are, no evidence implying otherwise; taking reality as it is and without some arbitrarily imposed skeptical/cynical outlook
>he really doesn't think the absolute worst of every human being he comes in contact with
>he really doesn't apply moral shortcomings, fears, and self-hatred as the essence of being a human being
imagine that.

>>15936621
>I CAN SAVE YOU RUSHIA
Are you a doctor?

we need a gosling thread to mobilize gfe, idol and purity chads

>>15937358
Rushia's personal doctor, yes

>>15937052
doesn't disprove my point

>>15937395
please no goslings...they want to make you happy, that's not something to be a mopey faggot over. They trust us and love us so smile instead

>>15937461
They were male fans and male stalkers

>>15937296
Don't tell him the truth like that anon the average chan user has the mindset of a nigger during a riot its one sided devoid of empathy and set on a throne of immovable self assurance in unwarrented correctness

>>15935828
Based take trannys and basic users will seeth

I'm gonna have to break it to your folks; your oshi doesn't love you.
She loves two things
>Money
>Attention.

So what happens if you remove one of those things?
>Money
Okay so she's making no money. At least she has maybe sub 100 people watching and paying attention to her, right? That's enough for her to keep going.
>Attention
Now let's say theoretically there is literally only one person in a stream, but they're sending her a constant flow of superchats She's happy not having attention as long as she is making money, so she keeps streaming.

But what happens if you remove both those things?
>no money
>no attention
Lets say she's a permanent one view, and that one viewer is you. How long do you think she's going to stream for one viewer who isn't sending her money? A week? A month if you're lucky and she's desperate? But after a while she's going to find setting up a stream too tiring and will inevitably give up.

Ask yourself, if your oshi stopped getting views and money, and her only viewer was you, would she still stream? Does she really love you? Dyrbi?

>>15938343
>if your oshi stopped getting views and money, and her only viewer was you, would she still stream?
yeah because my oshi isn't from hololive kek

I find it hilarious that Artia had three chances to recover and she shot herself in the foot each time.

>>15938343
Yes she would, now kill yourself.

>>15938343
My oshi will never become a 1view because her fans love her and she loves her fans.
Simple as

>>15938502
>fans
Fans is just another word for attention+money. She doesn't love YOU in particular. She loves the collective hundreds, maybe thousands of people sending her nice messages and donations.

Why do you think two views graduate more frequently than corpos?
Decrease the amount of "fans" she has and the risk of her graduating will increase with each number that drops off her total viewer count.

>Chinkbug who never loved by anyone lecturing people about TRUE LOVE

>>15935757
>implies Holos who say they love you are faking it and lying to you
This is technically true, love simply does not work in a way where it can be felt toward a huge amorphous group of thousands of people, what you get is totally different. You can always RP whatever behaviour you think constitutes love, but that's about as far as you'll get.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. Vtubers are RPing as anime girls to begin with. The animal part of a human brain which controls your emotions is stupid, you can fool it into believing anything.. including that you're having sex while you're actually whacking off and reading a doujin of your favourite vtuber. Which is to say the viewer can feel real love and make the emotional investment required while the vtuber can't.

To those who are grilling OP, why are you even here? You may be disagreeing with him entirely but at the end of the day do you really think Chad comes on here to mock people for being different on an anonymous Mongolian basket weaving forum? Maybe on /r9k/ he would, but is he really a Chad in that sense?

>>15935757
First of all, who would take seriously the words of a mediocre stramer like artia?

I love Houshou Marine.

>>15935757
But didn't Artia have fans, probably many just as dedicated to her as fans of other holomembers, I don't see how this discounts the statement, if anything it strengthen it by being a case study.

>>15935757
Artia actually loved me for real. Its true. She had to backstab hololive its in her blood unfortunately.

>>15939170
A lot more people than you think. Many people here, including self-proclaimed Chuuba or even Hololive fans themselves care more about being "based" than actually taking the time to either enjoy or love things. Don't forget that many people don't like subject matter either so they'll use it as ammo for their crusade against.

>>15937296
That's a lot of mental work to convince yourself that it's okay to be in a parasocial relationship. The girls being genuine or not is not the point anyway. You are at the end of the day, in a "relationship" that doesn't go anywhere, doesn't challenge you to become a better person or grow up, doesn't function as a support for you not even only emotionally if you were to be honest for a second, doesn't make your living expenses cheaper or your life experiences richer because you don't share them with anyone (she only shares very little of hers with you). Did I forget anything? I guess you will never fight so that's a plus or is harassing/cancelling your oshi because she looked at a male wrong considered fighting? Oh and on top of that, if this is all real, you are a complete cuck for having to share your oshi's affection with a bunch of other faceless, lonely, socially crippled fucks who you can only hope are not even more obsessed and creepy than you are cause that would mean a lot of trouble if your oshi's roommate ever were to be doxxed.

>>15935828

>>15939624
>A lot more people than you think
two?

Imagine for a second a time when your parents, given they weren't horrible people, would show you affection, your mom would hug you and console you when you were sad or hurt yourself, pat you on the shoulder when she was proud of you or tried to guide you and help you to become a more well rounded person, carefully considering you with your flaws and strengths. Now realize that this is something that people still experience from their loved ones as adults and more importantly, which they can experience from the other side as well starting a family of their own.
Therein lies the difference between an actual stable relationship and whatever you have with your oshi.

>>15940776
>His oshi doesn't tell him she believes in him and knows he will keep working just hard as she will
Fucking why even live if your oshi sucks this much

>>15940225
pure drivel that isn't even a point, against MY point.
on the topic of 'parasocial' (kys for regurgitating buzz words) relationship: a relationship is what it is, regardless of long distance, one sidedness --> it has all the possible effects on a person to act, grow, enrich, be jealous, fight for(?) etc etc; also a relationship is to you, what it is to you - not some commie 'deserve'/what-is-she-getting/they-getting-relative-to-me mindset
>>15940776
thats an unnecessary point, both gfe good/ actual gf,family,friend better aren't mutually exclusive

>>15935757
>Artia
>Sucks chink cock
>Sucks chink cock
>Sucks chink cock

>"GFE" Holos
>Doesn't suck chink cock
>Doesn't suck chink cock
>Doesn't suck chink cock

>>15941221
>>"GFE" Holos
>Doesn't suck chink cock
And you have a certain legendary dragon to thank for that. THANK YOU COCO!

>>15940225
Talk for yourself, my oshi is Kiara and discovering her motivated be to improve my English, it's been almost a year since I watch her and I am confident about passing the CAE this year. Also, I started to learn Japanese instead of wondering if it's gonna be as worthy as I would like it to be

>>15940642
I'd say around 200 actually. This of course includes unironic Artiafags, shitposters, tourists from other boards, and Holo antis in general.

>>15941128
>one sidedness
That is where you are wrong. A one sided relationship has not all of the aforementioned qualities of neither your post or mine. As I said, you will never get any actual affection from a parasocial relationship (or one sided relationship or whatever word doesn't make you seethe so much), that is the fucking definition of a one sided relationship, regardless how much you project your insecurities about this here. It is even illogical to suggest otherwise. A relationship is not the same regardless of what quality it has that doesn't make any sense. A person that can actually be there for me and actually knows me enough to give me actual advice will be of more worth than someone who can't provide that because she does not know about my private self my shortcomings and my strengths and thus any positive relationship with that person will also be of better quality. And an actual hug will have a different quality than a hug you imagine while wearing your headphones.

>>15941575
>discovering her motivated be to improve my English
And you think this is because she loves you or what? You can be motivated by people that's fine. But when you get into a serious life crisis which you will because we all do and you need actual support from someone close to you don't count on her because she will not be able to give you whatever it is you will need. Because she is NOT close to you.

>>15941611
>regardless how much you project your insecurities
says the guy trying to deny something from people
>A relationship is not the same regardless of what quality it has that doesn't make any sense
from your wording alone, of course it doesn't make sense to you, you don't understand what the fuck a relationship is.
and trying to deny its existence because a potential attribute: reciprocation or hugging, is fucking retarded.
-in summation
what the fuck do you think, at its most fundamental base, a relationship is?
what is its function to a human being?
my points come from ideas that have answered these questions
yours is cringe spontaneity that isn't grounded and solely from your own desire to project your insecurities to others.

>>15935757
If a vtuber doesn't care enough about our feelings to lie to us and make us feel valued, then she's not worth our time.

>>15941802
A parasocial relationship is not inherently bad, only if you end forsaking your irl relationship because of it. I don't have a problem with my oshi or other chuubas I really like don't knowing who I am at a personal level, but it doesn't mean the relationship is one sided. For me, it's enough if my oshi is humble and grateful with her audience, treating them with respect. You only have to see how some chuubas have changed due to being chuubas, the audience play a great role there and you can't deny that. The influence in the chuuba is as a group, exactly like a soldier it's only a soldier but a lot of them together become an army. If you have that sense of self importance that you need to be recognized as an individual is your problem, not ours

>>15941860
>deny its existence
I don't deny it's existence, I called it a relationship didn't I? A parasocial relationship, which it is. Not a romantic relationship, not a sexual relationship, not a platonic relationship, not a friendship, not a family bond. These are all relationships with different qualities. They all exist, just some are potentially better than others and some have qualities that the others don't have at all and thus have the potential to be something the others can't be at all. Everything I said illustrates this very clearly.

>>15935757
>15935828

Im probably gonna go into such deep level of inssanity that maybe the chuuba i watch is the only thing keeping me alive, so thanks for this

>>15942190
>didnt deny
you did, you fucking nigger. you are goalpost/sperging because holy-thy-cannot-be-wrong.

one more fucking time, a relationship is what it is. it has all the possible effects on a person regardless of what variation it subsumes.

>>15935757
Artia did nothing wrong. Rushia, Lamy, Chloe, Coco/Kson, etc are all manipulative whores who are only interested in how much money from men they can extort. They are most likely cucking you off-stream with someoine else too, so enjoy paying for those condoms and birth control pills.

>>15935828
This is why I stick to NijiEN, Rosemi would never say a lie like that to her fans.

>>15938585
while you might be technically correct, you're extrapolating the wrong conclusion. Anything can be deconstructed to this level, but that doesn't give us any extra utility. I could say that "love" is just people who are mutually exploiting each other for their own benefit, be it through validation, financial security, social status, etc. It should be obvious to everyone that every kind of relationship is essentially a transactional one. I wouldn't watch someone if it didn't benefit me in some way, and they wouldn't stream if it didn't benefit them.
Regarding the "collective hundreds", arguably, you have a point there, but I'd say that goes both ways, and it's a tradeoff. Just like the streamer doesn't really know or care about "individual fans", fans don't really care about them either. Our (or my) side of the benefit is they're not actually a "real" person. I can turn the stream off whenever, their personal life drama doesn't become part of mine, things like that. The convenience and detachment that comes with the "parasocial" aspect can be beneficial for both people, if that's something they're interested in.

>>15942050
>humble, grateful and treating them with respect
and not ever interacting with a male, right? Not to put these words in your mouth but this IS what these relationships often entail right? Because forsaking your irl relationships is NOT the only thing bad about parasocial relationships. There is for example also a power imbalance at play that can potentially lead socially weaker people to be exploited an barriers of respect to be broken out of entitlement. If not necessarily one-sided, this imbalance between the two parties is a fundamental qualitative shortcoming that other relationships don't have, which doesn't mean it is necessarily worse, but that it can't provide things other relationships can.

>>15942190
you are a life parasite. we see you. how small you shrivel when confronted. you are an alien and you are not welcome in this world. die to your own delusions

>>15942356
I didn't and it has not which was already demonstrated by me and showing how platinum mad you are doesn't challenge anything I already said as well as just repeating yourself doesn't do anything at all.

>>15942356
Sorry, I take that thing back about you being platinum mad.
>>15942642
This guy for sure is kek.

>>15942389
>Artia did nothing wrong
being chinese is bad enough

>>15937296
Humans are fucking trash. I hate everyone who pretends they aren't, at least I'm honest. I hate women.

>>15942618
As you said they often don't interact with males, but there's also a bunch of cases. Hell, even my 2nd favorite chuuba which is really close to being my oshi is fucking Mori, who has collabed with Gigguk and still low-key want to collab with Critical. I am not telling you (neither I did at my first answer kek) that a parasocial can replace normal relationships. Talking about mentally weak is circunstancial, and in any case it's the chuuba's in question fault. Here you are forgetting (probably on purpose) that sadly, for some people who are unable to have normal healthy relationship in a particular moment benefits from watching Vtuber. Do you know why Kanata eg is such a gachikoi panderer? Because her life was shit before and used to be an idolfag for replacing her lack of fulfilling relationships. And look at her now, she is quite a successful person despite being quite an Otaku, poor, and having a negligent mother

>>15935828
>"I'll never have a partner or betray you", literally asks suisei to remove male from radio show she would appear on
Did Kanata really?

>>15943390
kanatan...

>>15943190
> I am not telling you that a parasocial can replace normal relationships
>Because her life was shit before and used to be an idolfag for replacing her lack of fulfilling relationships
Again, it is fundamentally different and I am not forgetting that some people might benefit from watching vtubers as I said previously when I said you being motivated by Kiara is entirely fine. It is when one deludes themselves into thinking that him loving his Oshi is the same as loving another person and them reciprocating that they are wrong. As I said, being in an actual relationship can give you security in an actual tangible way GFE will never be able to do. I can also see someone not being able to have healthy normal relationships but I'm also fairly sure that is most often not what's actually happening and that it is more likely you don't want to for whatever reason take the necessary steps to pursue such relationships and thus run away into a fantasy to console yourself. I'm sure Kanata would agree with me, were she not biased due to her companies business model.

>>15935828
>They said I'm they're boyfriend so it must be true.
It's a load of bullshit anon, and you're delusional if you believe otherwise. Sure a chuuba can say they love their chat and mean it because they've formed a parasocial attachment to those who give constant praise, fan works, and donations. This doesn't mean they love (you) romantically or that they consider (you) as an individual or as an anonymous part of the collective chat to be their boyfriend.

>>15942697
>>15942642
Removing all snark, please take a look at yourselves and seek help. It's fine to like the cute anime girl and use her as a motivator. But to get so attached that you form delusions and try to replace real world relationships with an anime girl you have to pay to get attention from isn't the best life choice. Like the great chimkin said, vtubers aren't your fucking therapists, so logically they shouldn't be your girlfriend or sole emotional support either. I fucking hate this place sometimes, I just want to watch the funny anime person stream minecraft but anons take this shit too seriously.

>>15944132
>Like the great chimkin said, vtubers aren't your fucking therapists
Did she? I know ina did say that.

>>15944132
Hey man, I for one am on your side in this.

>>15935828
Damn you're in deep huh?

>>15944132
kill yourself, parasite. no one asked for your shit take - one that was specifically mentioned in the thread line of the people you quoted.

>>15942395
Rosemi would let her fans molest her so she can have another story about being molested.

>>15943390
yes
problem?
Kanata is the biggest Idolfag out of Hololive after all

funny how pathetic the anti-GFE "arguments" are.

>>15936995
>getting groomed by your oshit

Do anons really?

why is she so perfect bros

>>15944331
>no one asked for your shit take
It's not a take it's called reality and judging by how mad you seem to be, you haven't had enough of it. Run all you want but it's gonna catch up to you eventually.

Hey that stripper that says she loves you means it's true right?
All women are repulsed by low tier males, as in they feel threatened and disgusted if you are even close to them. They only put up with streaming because you disappear once they turn it off. But by all means, keep drinking the Kool aid kids.

>>15944590 >>15937296
whos running from who? i dont post for you parasite

>>15944590
Don't care. No one asked. Don't like it? Stiff it.

>>15939543
Because with her it didn't cut both ways and in the end she was simply projecting her own behavior and mindset on others without an understanding of the subject matter and >>15938462 is demonstrable proof of that. Ironically she'd fit right in here with all the unsolicited cynical takes that assume everyone is just like them. We all have different reasons and motives for loving our oshis. I don't truly believe for example that I'm ever going to get close to let alone see or bang Mary, Marine, Lamy or Fauna for example, I'm just sick of letting all the awful things in the world that I can't change live rent free in my head and want to focus on what is good and beautiful for the sake of my own well being and for me these Vtubers were the perfect thing to start making that change in me.

>>15944590
Misery loves company, it seems. I too wish to become as jaded as you are. Surely that's the path to "true" happiness.

>>15944613
Are you talking from your experience by any chance? I thought that women were to scared to lurk in this underworldian bloody hellhole

>>15944613
>All streamers are repulsed by their viewers
Fixed it for you, why would you waste your time watching a stupid person doing stupid shit in front of camera, that time is better spent playing vidya, or drawing, or doing something else that is not wasting your time on YouTube and Twitch

>>15944709
Anon, if you are serious about this un ironically seek for help. If you are just schizo posting looking for (you)s just do something else, you are taking this too seriously

>>15935828
You don't get it anon, they're all lying. Every female ever lies all the time. That's what /b/ and /pol/ told me through poorly made memes
it's very likely some of this stuff is exaggerated for pandering reasons but you get it. There's a non-0 chance your oshi loves you too

>>15944709
God you are so mad you forgot how to read. (You) are running from reality. The reality that your imagined relationships will not be there for you once the time comes when live actually hits you with shit and you wished you had pursued something tangible.
>>15944722
Right, I bet you don't. You don't need to just don't turn around playing the victim once your chuuni shit comes crashing down for you.

>>15944928
I would say only if their viewers are repulsive, watching a person o an scree doesn't make you repulsive retard chaama

>>15944339
ogey

>>15945030
you really don't get it do you.
you are running from life. everything that is possible you jokingly debase for what? 'bravely' warn others of some inevitable doom?

and life doesn't need to catch up to you. you're already dying. i'm just asking you to not bleed near us.

>>15944820
Based Samwise poster. You seem legit anon, I wish you good luck with that. Watching chuubas helped me to less cinical in example

i still believe in artia
i have not been convinced by a single piece of "evidence" you losers have produced.

>>15944820
cringe. on my way to have babies with my oshi RIGHT NOW.

>>15945177
She is a chink, do you really need some other proof of that she is not trustworthy? I hope you comprehend the true nature of chunks before the beginning of WWIII

>>15945030
Romantic relationships are not tangible in the era of no fault divorce, especially for unattractive men. If anything, focusing on a smaller investment like vtubers is probably the wiser thing to do

>>15935828
fpbp

>>15945177
True
Artia has always loved her viewers

ITT: Rent Free, Gaslighting, and Shitzos General

Some /r9k/ gremlin left his containment board and proceeds to spew his toxic sludge mindset built up in his psyche. Many such cases.

no matter how gaslighted the thread gets, the OP and first post will BTFO whatever dipshit anti-gfe tards say - if anything, them posting only bumps the thread more and gives OP and first post more exposure

>>15945149
Thanks. The concrete fact that there are people like them still out in the world somewhere helps soothe a worried mind, plus between Mary and Lamy I have all the silver bullets I need for my insomnia.
>>15945255
If that is what makes taking life head on easier for you anon then that's what it takes. Good luck.

>>15945590
>haha it was just a-
>ok come over here

I watched Artia/Hecatia and don't really understand what you are all about
everything Tia did was coated in irony this wasn't exception, she unironically loved her fans and was only saying such stuff to get funny reactions out of them as she loved teasing and being tsun

>>15945743
Now I know you didn't really watch her, near the end she was phoning it in and literally counting down the minutes to end her streams and get off work at the 2 hour mark

>>15945925
kill yourself retard

>>15935828
>an idol must not have a man, an idol having a partner is literally the worst kind of person
Timestamp of Korone saying this? Doesn't even sound logical

>>15945623

>>15945993
how is that not logical exactly? do you not know anything about Japanese idol culture?

>>15946016

>>15945177
based

>>15945177
godspeed zhang. hope you and your oshi can find closure.

>>15946135
Basically the part where they become the WORST kind of person because of that. I mean you have schizos, serial killers, rapists, but yeah, idols who fall in love are definitely worse, very logical everything.

>>15946179
Was more confused what you were trying to say than anything else.
>filename
Goddamnit

>>15946384
if idol has a man she is no longer an proper idol
simple as
to an idol her fans should be number one priority not anything else
if idol expects her fans to be deeply dedicated to her alone, the fans expect the same in reverse

>>15945148
You need more than just meds, you need to be hospitalized.

>>15945277
>romantic relationships are not tangible
Fixed that for you a bit.
Otherwise agreed.

>>15946746
There are no idols then. Because all IRL idols suck producer dick, no exception.

>>15944820
i appreciate your wisdom, anon

>>15947129
don't project your cuck fantasies onto others
thanks

>>15944820
Funny, you put Sam on your picrel for some reason, and he was pretty mistrustful of outsiders. His mistrust pretty much always was shown to be correct later too.

>>15947373
Oh sweet child, so many awful discoveries are waiting for you in the future. And we're not even talking idol whores, we're talking people far closer to you.

>>15944820
Shut up. They're lying, they always lie. Lying whores, every last one of them. No one says the truth, they all lies. Everybody lies. Lies, lies, lies. Whores all lie.

>>15947445
just because everyone around you is a slut and a whore who can't keep it in their pants doesn't mean others are like that
especially in Japan which have autistic work ethics and rarely have sex

>>15947535
Sweetie, it's exactly like that everywhere. Doubly so in Japan, where fat ojisan producer gets his pick of the litter.

>>15947484
meds

>>15947484
Being this hypernegative is counterproductive. Yes, people lie all the time, you included. But because of that societies all over the world developed safeguards and approaches for mitigation.

>>15947535
They're all lying whores, even in Japan. The only way women can keep their legs closed is through force.

>>15947388
Watch Two Towers and listen to what Sam says to keep Frodo from giving up and giving into despair.

>>15948576
I'd much rather watch Sam's actions, because those never lie.

>>15948661
Actions like carrying Frodo to Mt. Doom at the end? I agree and Sam is one of if not the most based support characters in fiction.

You guys are arguing about someone who left a year ago? What’s even the point of this post?

>>15948744
To rile schizos up, like every other post here.

>She said she loves me and she means it!
Even if we take into examination extreme cases like rushia, and we believe the stories about the attachment she has towards her innermost circle of fans, outside of those people she doesn't even know you exist, you could die tomorrow and she wouldn't notice. Is this the love you are looking for?

>>15949434
Stop being so disgustingly rational right now, sir!

>>15940225
> doesn't function as a support for you not even only emotionally if you were to be honest for a second
This, combined with the fact that you can't support *them* emotionally and end up concernfagging, is the worst part.

>>15949667
No i wanna see if someone can come up with a schizo essay to prove me wrong

>>15949434
You even can't imagine a 1.5 million people, much less love them.

>>15949817
I sometimes wonder if girls even consider the fact that some of their members are dead alreadly, purely statistically speaking. This new media thing, it sure cuts both ways.

>>15935757
>Hopping on the Artia hate train because of a /pol/ raid
>Wasting a thread on this shit

>>15949971
Artia doesn't even exist outside of /vt/.

>>15949993
Did you miss something?

>>15950026
She's dead Jim.

>>15950070
She's moved into management, anon.

>>15935828
can you please be more specific about My Dark?

>>15935757
And you wonder why people prefer r/Hololive over /vt

>>15936866
>laughs about people thinking that chuuba holds genuine affection
>chuuba expresses genuine affection
>wOw ThIs GiRl iS dElUsIoNaL

get help anon

>>15950104
Basic whores don't get to be managers.

>>15950374
I suppose they don't. Anyways, Artia's in management now.

>>15937052
If it actually happened, there must be links to these tweets, right?

>>15937296
>humanity restored

>>15938343
>>Lets say she's a permanent one view, and that one viewer is you. How long do you think she's going to stream for one viewer who isn't sending her money? A week? A month if you're lucky and she's desperate?
holy shit that's so sweet

>>15938343
>oshi will not stream if there's no one watching her
>therefore she is a selfish greedy whore
Your mental gymnastics are not even gymnastics anymore, you schizos are just bending reality matrix-style at this point

>>15950874
>look at me, valiantly defeating a strawman I erected

>>15940225
He may be a cuck, but he is a happy, satisfied person who find happiness in this relationship, making his life brighter, while you will be here, seething in your hatred and mockery. I sure hope you calling him a cuck gives you as much enjoyment as his so called parasocial relationship gives him, because that's all you'll ever get

>>15940447
Yes, we do, and are lives are happier for it

>>15951890
He hit where it hurts with his description tho, eh?
Main problem with these parasocial delusions is they break so easily. For someone, something as simple as his SCs being ignored will be enough. Other may visit the numbers thread and take note of the money being made on his infatuations. The saddest dude will heartbreak himself over his chuba interacting with males.
But it always ends the same way.

>>15951890
It is better to suffer for the truth than enjoying a whore's lie, but I assure you my revenge will be more enjoyable than anything you could ever experience, cuck.

>>15942389
Sounds like a literal bottle of onions wrote this but ok

>>15952310
Just look at the state tatsunokos are in.

>>15950874
Your oshi will not stream just for you because she does not love you.

>>15953366
The assumption may be the oshi just likes streaming as a process. As long as there is more than one person in the audience...

>>15945572
>they used the schizo to destroy the schizo

>>15954250
Not like /vt/ denizens ever had any doubts about the depth of delusion with GFE schizos in the first place.

>>15935828
Even the graduated Holos like Delu are like this.
>repeatedly says her fans are her greatest treasure
>would have quit multiple times if not for her fans
>when she was at her lowest her fans she barely knew were the Ines who convinced her to come back
>spends all night on discord with her fans
>literally falls asleep on her keyboard because she enjoys spending time with her fans (this just happened it was really cute and funny)
>credits her fans with restoring her smile and laugh it has been noticed by her counselor that she is laughing and smiling more naturally now

Following her made me realize these girls are not putting on an act they love their fans and think the world of them.

>>15947484
You forgot a Gollum pic, anon

>>15954615
>her counsellor
Well, here is your answer. Broken girl has found her therapy in lonely losers.
But you can't translate it to every successful chuba out there.

>>15944399
>he hasn't been groomed by a vtuber
Get a load of this faggot. Huh how about you go have sex with a woman you bitch. Yeah I'm talking to you ya normie loser go get your dick sucked already and get out of here.

>>15951173
Yes, I'm defeating a strawman, but you're the one erecting it

>>15954974
Most holos are menhera anon. I can name several that see counselors and if they don't should be. To name a few.
>Nene
>Polka
>Rushia
>Matuli
>Ayame
>Aqua
>Shion
>Noel
>Marine
>Lamy
>Kanata
>Watame
>Pekora

>>15955437
Are you serious or just pulling my leg here? I can kinda sorta agree on Festival with all her retarded episodes - and even that can probably be fixed by regular dicking - but "I simply don't give a fuck" Ayame?

It took like 60 posts before the anti-GFE posters to start calling all women whores "without exception" and calling people who don't believe that naive
And people call gachikoi incels...
It's such a bitter, dark place to be, mentally.

Also, to the people who keep saying it's "one-sided", have you literally NEVER gotten words of encouragement from your oshi...? Like, personally, to you.

>>15955958
Ayame has fans fir a reason anon.

>>15940225
>Oh and on top of that, if this is all real, you are a complete cuck for having to share your oshi's affection with a bunch of other faceless, lonely, socially crippled fucks who you can only hope are not even more obsessed and creepy than you are cause that would mean a lot of trouble if your oshi's roommate ever were to be doxxed.
And you don't understand how this works at all, do you. Otherwise you wouldn't think something as retarded as this makes any sense.

>>15938901
>This is technically true, love simply does not work in a way where it can be felt toward a huge amorphous group of thousands of people, what you get is totally different. You can always RP whatever behaviour you think constitutes love, but that's about as far as you'll get.
According to....
You?

>>15957908
According to clinical psychiatry.

>>15957029
Women are whores though.

>>15959627
It's not that they're whores, they just don't like you. You, specifically.

HOMOCHADS DOMINATION
TURBOKEKS DOMINATION

>>15935757
>Coco
>Used to say each stream was a date between her and her viewers hence no male collabs
>Leaves and streams on her regular account
>Does no gachikoi pandering
>Freely collabs with males.

Its funny how Coco proved her right in the end, but some of you guys are way to deep to realize it.
Its all an act, they don't give a fuck about you, its all about taking your money, they're all like this.

>>15959300
post degree

>>15962534
She literally asked her gachikoi if they'd be okay with it. The only reason Yes won was because she has a lot of EOP watching her and also a lot of saviorfags.

>Tatsucucks still invoking the spirit of a completely dead vtuber to justify their mental illness.
You guys must be taking Kson being so shitty really bad.

>>15962534
As a newfag, when did she said that about the date and about not wanting to collab with guys
Actually I want to know more about the latter because I was wondering why she never achieved a collab with holostar

>>15935757
Based. Bugs behind cute girl avatars are still bugs.

>>15963694
bruh

>>15962534
because people already know she's a lesbian who is having sex with kanata every single day so they are fine with collabing with males

>>15963745
I wrote the first response and can confirm it happened but my memory is shaky. Part of me wants to say that it was during a collab with Tamaki? But doing archive reps may get you a more accurate answer, since it's not like her saying that was a secret or anything so that line is fairly well known.

>>15962534
Blessed Wise Watamelonposter

>>15962534
Ogey

>>15938673
This

>>15935828
>korone:
>>"an idol must not have a man, an idol having a partner is literally the worst kind of person"
mendokusai...

>>15964782
Seems odd to ask something like that during a collab

>>15962534
This literally kills this entire thread.

>>15957029
>And people call gachikoi incels...
>>15945277
>>15947092
>>15959627
Ridiculous, right?

>>15946384
Are you not familiar with the concept of exaggeration

>>15970787
Tamaki is a...unique woman. She is an actual unicorn, as in "I prefer it when the idols are virgins"-actual-unicorn unicorn.
Her vtuber corp has two divisions. One for "all purpose" entertainment, and one she created that's made up of girls where male collabs are explicitly banned(and while "love bans" are illegal in Japan, you can be pretty sure that anybody joining Tamakis org in that division understands the implications of the position)

>>15935757
xngdg

>>15935757
Not reading this bait thread, just stopping by to drop an ARTIA LOVE for my oshi.

>>15943390
based angel wife

>>15944132
fuck off normie

>>15962534
>Does no gachikoi pandering
you don't watch her at all if you think that
consider this your daily reminder that gachikoi isn't the same thing as unicorn

>>15991920
Unicorn is a gachikoi that only likes virgins. Like the mythological unicorn, that kills a woman if she isn't a virgin, because they can tell.
Gachikoi do not want their oshi in a relationship IRL. If you're fine with that, you're not a gachi, because your 恋 isn't ガチ(恋 is not a general term for "love", it's specifically romantic love- you are "actually/unironically/really/seriously(ガチ) in romantic love(恋)). Nobody who is in actual unironic romantic love with somebody wants or accepts that person being in a romantic relationship with somebody else.

>>15992596
the post was about her doing collabs with males, not relationships idiot

>>15944820
I rele beleb in you anon, we are gonna make it.

>>15992861
Oh. That's a whole different ballgame, that's a flavor of purityfag. Or a paranoid gachikoi. But I'd still say it's purityfaggotry because #nomales is about being "proper". It's pretty much the only major type of purityfaggotry that still exists because nobody gives a fuck about swears or dirty jokes. You can be a gachikoi and even a unicorn and still not be a purityfag.

>>15944820
>I don't truly believe for example that I'm ever going to get close to let alone see or bang Mary, Marine, Lamy or Fauna for example,
never give up hope(but don't actually fuck them while they're idols and cuck the rest if you make it, that'd be fucked up)

>>15935828
Based, anti-unicorn redditors need to learn their place

>>15935757
>Mentioning Martian Gremlin Leddit zoomer backstabbing bitch
Is Artia even streaming anymore?, last time I asked here I got told that she just "vanished" from the chinknet, not as an individual but as a streamer in any form.
>Is OP beating a dead horse to make a point?

Look tone, this is what i don't fucking understand alright, even if all the GFE bullcrap was true, do they understand that would mean the Chuuba would be the girlfriend of multiple people? these cunts mention "chat" as if it was one singular entity when it is actually hundreds if not thousands of different people, same thing with real idols and their fans, so you accept that for example Rushia loves you but she also loves a bunch of other people at the same level so you are actually not special at all in her eyes? but then she is not really your girlfriend, you are at most part of a massive harem where you get no attention, it just makes no logical sense.

>>15954615
The issue is not understanding the difference between appreciation ("thanks to the support of my fans i got through this really tough time") and romantic love, the act is the romantic love because it is simply impossible for them to actually feel that way, they literally do not know you.

>>15957350
it is not his fault if the only way to make it work is by denying the reality that the "relationship" includes thousands of different people aside from you

>>15999335
good luck on your olympic!

>>15940225
>doesn't function as a support for you not even only emotionally if you were to be honest for a second
Pretty much spot on here, and it works the other way around as well, say your Oshi suddenly has a personal problem that she does not reveal to her audience and so she decides to take a break with both streaming and social media, in that case, what the fuck can you do for her? absolutely nothing, you cannot call her to her personal phone to ask her what's wrong like a real boyfriend could, you cannot go to her house to try and give her company like a real boyfriend could, you cannot ask her close friends or family what might have happened like a real boyfriend could, you cannot do fuck all for her because your only methods of interacting with her are when she streams and through Twitter which are completely non-personal.

>>15998423
Artia Hecatia is dead and the only people shitposting about her on the internet are just butthurt zhangs who either can't move on or are just fucking her corpse for extra social credit points.

>>15935757
>Women
She will never love you the way you love her. Gachikois live in a fantasy on top of a fantasy.

>>15950429
Yes.

this thread hurts my fucking brain. ok you fags can do whatever shit you wanted to do, but pls don't send schizo superchats to the girls ok

>>15999335
We are at once a collection of individuals and also a singular unit. Yes, that is contradictory. Yes, it is possible to hold two contradictory ideas in your mind at once.

>>16000947
You got several things wrong here, also apparently you haven't heard of an LDR

>>15950429
Sure, but I'm not gonna get myself banned just because you can't dig in the archives a little

>>16001695
But she does so what's the next step of your master plan

Artia was 100% right about what she said and you all know it

>>15999564
My oshi stalks the Twitter of her gachikoi. Even Kson said she'd recognize her gachikoi if she saw them outside and knew where they worked. I've sent lots of heartfelt messages to my oshi and she's responded to them, and remembers me.
You know very little

i still remember what you unicorn faggots did to Mano Aloe

>>16004925
t.nijinigger falseflagger

>>16003857
I Would be very worried if you actually knew your oshi's personal phone and/or home address without her knowing you personally

>>16005209
Holo-unicorn fags so quick to pass the blame

>>16003804
You can, as in the literal action of being able to do something? yeah, but you would also be inherently wrong, cognitive dissonance i think was the term.

>>16004060
>My oshi stalks the Twitter of her gachikoi
She doesn't, because she literally can't, some of her Gachikoi would not have Twitter, and if you are talking about a Holo they would be so many that she could not physically do that
>Even Kson said she'd recognize her gachikoi if she saw them outside and knew where they worked
Which is obviously impossible because she doeds not know how they actually look, unless they act exactly the same in real life as they do in the Internet
>I've sent lots of heartfelt messages to my oshi and she's responded to them
Did you pay to do it? in any case there are plenty of others that got ignored, again in case we are talking about a Hoio here since it is impossible to actually respond to everyone in chat individually
>You know very little
You are living a lie that anyone that is willing to use common sense can dismantle.

Okay now what are her opinions on the Uyghur genocide?

>>16006129
>Which is obviously impossible because she doeds not know how they actually look,
They've been sending her photos (with faces) of their meetups and their mixer parties. The 3 of them that married from within the group also invited her to their wedding.
Quiet of lot of cute chicks too follow her too.

>>16006129
>She doesn't, because she literally can't, some of her Gachikoi would not have Twitter, and if you are talking about a Holo they would be so many that she could not physically do that
And again, you have no idea what you're talking about. Picrelated, Lamy isn't even my oshi but it's to prove a point.
You also overestimate the number of gachikoi they have.
>Which is obviously impossible because she doeds not know how they actually look, unless they act exactly the same in real life as they do in the Internet
Is your defense going to keep calling very possible things impossible over and over again until I get bored of your nothing of an argument?

You greatly overestimate the supposed difficulties of what you seem to think are herculean tasks and there are a million signs that you are wrong and your "logic" has no basis.

>>15999335
What are (You) then? Isn't each cell in your body alive? Each organ is separate and has its own life. The heart can be removed and replaced with an artificial one. Major parts of the brain can be removed too and the so called "person" would still be alive.

(You) are a complex lifeform and are made up of a collection of individual entities each living their own life collectively, together. Just like chat.

>>16006003
Fandead literally told Korone one time something might've happened to Rushia in the middle of the night and got her to check on her. Who said anything about that? Also, some chuuba are more or less unconcerned about non-dangerous stalkers. Like Lulu.

Tia a cute

>>15935828
https://youtu.be/XJH8w-i-W_w
https://youtu.be/QBp2jBuj9t4

>>16006044
"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. One should, for example, be able to see that things are hopeless yet be determined to make them otherwise."

>>16006752
>Fandead literally told Korone one time something might've happened to Rushia in the middle of the night and got her to check on her
But then Korone was the one that actually check on her, her actual personal friend, not any of her fans, seriously how does this logic work? i am asking because i am genuinely trying to understand but it just doesn't add up

>>16006689
>What are (You) then? Isn't each cell in your body alive? Each organ is separate and has its own life
Surely you understand how retarded that logic is? my heart cannot go on its own to buy an apple to the supermarket, it does not have a conscious of its own and it is not "alive", it functions along other things to allow me to live, but every single member of chat is alive and completely conscious living their own individua lives (whether they like it or not)

>You) are a complex lifeform and are made up of a collection of individual entities each living their own life collectively
Unless you believe we are all have our own society inside of us Osmosis Jones style, this is some schizophrenic logic

>>16006881
Again, do you know what an LDR is? Most of her gachikoi know about and follow more of her personal life than most holos do.

>>16006686
>You also overestimate the number of gachikoi they have.
If even 1% of Lamy's subscribers are gachikois those are already 9000 individual accounts that she would need to actively keep active with, that without even taking into consideration the fact that people can become gachikois which would make the number increase and taking the extremely kind assumption that only 1% of her fanbase are gachis for her (which realistically would not be true at all)
It is simply physically impossible, i can believe if you say she checks maybe on some of them but to actively check on ALL of them? you might as well try to argue humans can grow wings and fly
Is your defense going to keep calling very possible things impossible over and over again until I get bored of your nothing of an argument?
>Is your defense going to keep calling very possible things impossible over and over again until I get bored of your nothing of an argument?
Some things in life are simply impossible, recognizing an Internet person without knowing how they look like at all just based on how they act on the Internet would be impossible, the Internet is a big fucking place, unless Kson is also a psychic which would be surprising
>You greatly overestimate the supposed difficulties of what you seem to think are herculean tasks
Please tell me, how would someone recognize a person that they know from the Internet when they do not know their real name, they do not know their real faces, and they do not know how they actually behave, unless they are acting the same they do on the Internet?

>>15935828
> a big corpo pandering to lgbt
> sjwtards actually believe they care about them not their money
> hehe what a bunch of retards...
> streamer says i love you, you GUYS are my boyfriends to thousands of people
> unicuck actually believe it
> BASED BASED

>>16007164
Nigger I have had my Hololive oshi ask about how I changed my twitter pfp and mention superchats I sent to her DAYS ago when she saw me, clearly your fucking "impossible" isn't as impossible or otherwise my oshi is just fucking superhuman.

>>16007081
>Most of her gachikoi know about and follow more of her personal life than most holos do.
Ok, but you understand a relationship is a 2-way street yes? just knowing about someone does not mean you are in an actual relationship with them if said person does not personally know you either, and no stalking their Twitter is not an argument to try and say they "totally do know you" because statistically speaking it is impossible for any of the bigger ones to actually remember all of their fans, and seriously honest question here, so are you all fucks in a massive polyamorous relationship or something? some sort of fucked up harem?

>>16007164
>1% of all subscribers
that many don't even watch streams. try 1% of 1% retard

>>16007230
>i can believe if you say she checks maybe on some of them but to actively check on ALL of them?
Fucking read properly before getting buthurt, just because she checks on you or on a small number of her Gachis it does not mean she checks on all of them, and someone said in this thread something that is actually very true and that it went somewhat ignored, but even if you are in the delusion that she cares about you, you can fucking die tomorrow and she will never know, she will never go to your funeral or give some words for you specifically

>>16007282
Do you think someone like Lamy has less than 100 Gachikois?

>>16007339
it's closer to that than 9000. You're definitely overestimating the number of gachikoi, probably because you don't understand it means real love and not just being a big fan of someone.

>>16007374
>probably because you don't understand it means real love and not just being a big fan of someone.
I Don't think you understand love can come from a lot of people at the same time, genuine stalking schizophrenic type, it just depends on how big they are, it is also an extremely arbitrary measurement as you cannot fucking define what "real love" is

>>16007339
Much closer to 100 than 9000.
Even Rushia's roommate peaks at 5k viewers, and not all of those are gachikoi.
Realistically it probably rarely breaks four digits worth of trueblue gachikoi.

>>16007420
Real love as in romantic love. You're just conflating being a normal fan vs gachikoi. The term gachikoi doesn't refer to most fans.

Isn't she already giving up vtubing and/or streaming even in chinkternet?

>>16007448
And i repeat, that is just not something you can define unless the person makes their intentions clear, i agree 9000 is probably too much, but there's just no way to give a number to it in general, those you could call "not real gachis" might just be 10 times more obsessed that you or anyone that you know

>>16007307
But she HAS given words for me specifically
This is like talking to a brick fucking wall holy shit you are trying to tell me things that my literal experiences have explicitly disproven and I don't fucking know what to say anymore man. It's not like it's a fucking hypothetical this happened in front of me, before my own two fucking eyes, and you're trying to argue that it's impossible. Do you understand how frustrating that is to argue against?

keep seething anti-gachis
you are shouting into the void
you are irrelevant
Rushia is still a queen

>>15935757
> Holos who say they love you are faking it and lying to you
No shit. Your oshi literally does not know you exist you autist.

>>16007534
>But she HAS given words for me specifically
Man i didn't know i was talking with a ghost here considering i was explicitly referring to words given to a fucking dead person as a way to show respect for their passing
>This is like talking to a brick fucking wall holy shit you are trying to tell me things that my literal experiences have explicitly disproven and I don't fucking know what to say anymore man
What i am saying, and that you are apparently ignoring, is that YOUR experiences do not disprove my point, because anything that might happened to (you) would statistically not have happened to someone else, there IS people that care more about your Oshi than you being left out, simply because they are too many of them

>>16007531
>i agree 9000 is probably too much
even though earlier you were saying it's no way it's that low lol
>those you could call "not real gachis" might just be 10 times more obsessed that you or anyone that you know
There could always be hidden gachikoi but not that many since most are vocal about it. Why? Because love wants to express itself. When you're gachikoi you naturally start donating and replying all the time, and it's pretty clear who is just a regular fan vs who is head over the heels in love with you from the way they behave. for those that stay in the shadows, well they can't complain about not getting any attention if they are keeping it secret right? I don't even know what point you're trying to make here.

>>15946746
How delusional are you? Every girl sucked at least 1 or 2 dicks in her life, cope

>>16007636
stop projecting

>>16007604
You're literally using numbers pulled out of your ass to try and prove that claim.

>>16007625
>I don't even know what point you're trying to make here.
Simple, by the pure nature of how a chat during a stream works, and just by the amount of people that watch the Holos, it is a fact that a lot of Gachikois end up being ignored, the chuuba does not know this, and she will never know this, because she does not actually love their fans, if any of heir Gachikois were to suddenly die she would never know, and calling that shit "love" is honestly fucking repugnant

>>15975820
Women are whores. Welcome to 4chan, you won't enjoy your stay.

>>15960690
Seething simp.

>>16007625
And seriously, again honest fucking question here, how the fuck does that relationship work, you guys (assuming i am talking to more than one person here) recognize there are other people involve in the relationship yes? then what the fuck is it, some sort of massive fucked harem? if for example the Chuuba went and meet some fans would the others be ok with her giving attention to a specific group of them? or if one of them was taller or handsome or some shit, would you be ok with the chuuba being attracted or fucking them? i mean she is their girlfriend as well isn't she?

>>16007588
>Your oshi literally does not know you exist
my oshi literally likes my tweets and notices when I come back to her streams retard

>>16007682
I'm not projecting anything more than facts, in the same time every man has fucked at least 1 or 2 times in their life, so fans are not the exception. Honestly I agree with most of the things in the first post, but Korone saying this doesn't seem even true, I'm still waiting my timestamp
>Imb4 do your reps
Then stop being a retard if you can't prove your point properly.
Look, for me an idol is someone who can make someone else or me to smile and forget about how shitty is life, her personal life doesn't matter for me because this doesn't define who is she or how well she dances or sings, that's all.

>>16007709
It's less pulled out of his ass than you claiming the opposite to be true based on your personal experience alone is out of yours.

>>16007739
>>15960690

>>16007878
>Look, for me an idol is someone who can make someone else or me to smile and forget about how shitty is life, her personal life doesn't matter for me because this doesn't define who is she or how well she dances or sings, that's all.
Based, a proper Idol is someone whose simle can make others smile, purity does not represent a proper Idol, trying to pretend that the lies are true is retarded

>>15936624
Based and stockpiled

>my oshi doesn't stream for the money
>I am her therapist and she unironically cares about me
>have made her laugh on several occasions
>fully intend to meet her irl and fall in love if the chance ever arises
Keep seething ugly losers

She's right though. As much as how chinky she was and with her alleged underhanded tactics to support those who wish ill to Cover, she was pretty much correct with her statements about the average vtuber. Dumplingshiara was pretty much the best case for this "argument", if (you) are so inclined to call it like that

Streaming really did ruin the essence of vtubing. The average e-girl has discovered the most efficient way to milk their orbiters by posing as a 2.5D annie may girl on the Internet. The days of shortform skits and fucking around are all gone. Ame's efforts with her VRchat shenanigans and Polka's weekly 3D webshow are nice and all but vtubing as a "genre" will never be the same again

>>16008093
>fully intend to meet her irl and fall in love if the chance ever arises
What about if you get to know her and you realize you don't really like her?

>>16008198
Pretty slim chance of that happening. She's already revealed a good bit about herself.

Reminder that Mori is the true GFE tuber of EN. Her fans behave much in the same way

>>16008250
>She's already revealed a good bit about herself.
>Not her actual likeness of course.
>Oh, also on stream where she has basically full control of what she can share.
>For a few hours a day at max.
>Most of those hours LARPing as a gimmicky anime girl.
This is, on an unrelated note, a good indicator for knowing someone has no experience with relationships. Because the first bitter truth you actually have to learn is that you don't know shit about anyone until they also get to know and trust you enough to actually open up about the shit they are not usually comfortable sharing.

>>16008568
>Not her actual likeness of course
Wrong. Keep coping.

>>16008662
>I have seen her roommate so obviously I know everything about her and all the rest of your post which I conveniently ignored is a cope.
Right, I bet you do anon. Please, do invite me to your wedding. I'll bring you a gift. An annual supply of Kool-Aid just for you.

>>15935828
holy shit, how could OP ever recover?

>>16008750
The rest of your post was irrelevant because you're assuming a great deal without having watched her.

>>16008568
>Because the first bitter truth you actually have to learn is that you don't know shit about anyone until they also get to know and trust you enough to actually open up about the shit they are not usually comfortable sharing.
You don't even need experiences in relationships to know this, yet a lot of people are completely unaware of it, the same applies to friendships as well not just romantic relationships.

>>15935828
>"an idol having a partner is literally the worst kind of person"
Surely she didn't say that.

>>16008836
All of this is true regardless of having watched her especially the part, which is most important, where she has basically full control of what she can share, which will always be true regardless of who your Oshi is and will always mean you don't actually know her private self, as I said: You only know someone surface level until they also know and trust you enough to open up and this will, by the way, in most cases when talking about relationships, not actually happen be before you start living together. Everything before that point is nothing but child's play.

>>16009140
Anon, you're clearly jaded as hell from past relationships that ended poorly for you specifically. Your anecdotal evidence does not encompass all relationships. Also, you're probably a normalfag who got with whores.

>>15935828
Funny how all holos listed here are Japanese and none for ENs. I won't be surprised that the average EN detest their fanbase. They're just educated to be that way

>>16009213
>you're clearly jaded
Projecting won't help you much, I know that's what you unicorns know to do best, your entire life line depends on your ability to project your own feelings on your Oshi, which she exploits. That is the business model of Idol culture since forever and it didn't change because it now happens on the internet using avatars. It's the exact opposite, it facilitates this kind of m.o.

>>16009555
>n-no you
2/10, apply yourself

I just like the cute anime girl who makes silly noises and babbles about her work friends and life a little.

>>16009614
Have fun being loved by your Oshi anon. Remember, she will be only yours one day if you just beleb.

>>15999335
Paulie makes a really good point here

>>15937052
Lulu Suzuhara?
Didn't she leave the Vtubing scene because of those stalkers?

>>15935828

guys see this? >>16008839
aka-chan..

>>16010898
no, it's because management doesn't let her stream

>>15937358
I have a doctorate on the subject of saving her

>>16007558
Falseflagging faggot