/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

https://twitter.com/Selen_Tatsuki/status/1479021115443855360

SELEN AND HAL

EMPRESS AND EMPEROR OF NUMBERS

>>15927013
>Selen not affected
Y-yeah

>>15927013
Selen I kneel

>>15927013
I'm not crazy!

https://twitter.com/Selen_Tatsuki/status/1479021115443855360?t=uTUR-Y3tbynpIATSQTpWPg&s=19

So selen confirms there is definitely a cull going on but it's not a cull and more like a bug.

The talents are actively aware of their actual viewership, people who are getting depressed/downed by this are literal piss babies cuz they should know that viewership isn't actually dropping.


Also i like how she said this not out of complaint but to quell the concerns of some fans. Good attitude.

>>15927013
fucking based of Selen.

>>15927013
That's nice that she shared that. a 33% cull isn't Lamy tier but it is not a small number.
>>15927057
Everyone is affected. If they're not they will be.

Gwelu talked about the live viewer bug. His One Piece collab showed 12k, but when he checked analytics later he actually had 24k

>>15927013
>>15927069
That faggot that keeps asking to marry her should step aside. I'm gonna marry her first now.

>>15927013
wtf Selen has been based this whole time? Why did no one tell me.

>>15927087
Oh jeez that's not great to look at as a casual viewer, but at least they still have the real numbers to toss at sponsors.
It also makes YouTube (and Google by extension) look like a bunch of 2-bit hacks.

live viewer counts must be one of the easiest thing to implement when you build a live streaming service
how the FUCK is YouTube this bad
it's insane to me

>>15927013
I will never shittalk a Nijisister ever again

SELEN, I KNEEL!

>>15927069
Maybe but it can be disheartening to go from a 9k average to barely hitting 2k like some vtubers. There is a bit of vanity in not wanting to look like a 3view when you're really getting several times as much.

>>15927069
>Trying to highroad
Selen is as much a numberfag as any other vtuber.

https://vrabi.ml/video/lpflUZpX06c
This stream? 24k sounds about right for this lineup at least.

>>15927090
It's just dragoons being horridly annoying /here/. Selen is both /here/ and a chumbud if what information that bounces around is correct, so while she herself may be based, her fanbase here, not so much.

>>15927087
Waiting room numbers. I swear it's like this thread is one step ahead of these corpos. Don't they have people that analyzes numbers and shit?

Calling it now
Hololive company wide Mario Kart tournament will get 50k combined ccv

>>15927143
Yeah that one

>>15927143
for >>15927087

>>15927013
i proclaim thee numberqueen

Honestly fuck Cover btw. Obviously behind the scenes they're doing stuff, but their is no reason not to be putting public pressure on youtube like Hal and Selen have just done.

>>15927013
>>15927069
i kneel

>>15927013
Woops. Looks like the analytics page is glitched. Hotfix soon.

>>15927013
So 30% culling for EN Vtuber confirm

>>15927013
>>15927198
So she's not being culled as hard as Hal because the holovirus hasn't spread that much to her yet. Interesting.

>>15927013
30% cull for NijiEN/HoloEN seems about right with the numbers we've seen so far.

>/#/ loses sleep over numbers while vtubers aren't actually worried because they can see the actual value

>>15927013
>>15927069
t-that means gura has been watching her real numbers one o two days later?

Chloe getting indog/niji numbers now...

>>15927087
I just looked up this One Piece collab, holy shit nijisanji is based

>>15927133
If I'm a sponsor it'd bother me that I wouldn't be able to shop around and have to go through Cover to get Covers numbers. Not that Cover is lying, or Anycolor, just that it leaves me little room. Also using Youtube as an advertising platform when they cook the numbers so much would live me concerned.

>>15927013
APOLOGIZE TO SELEN!
>KNEEL!

>>15927256
Pretty much. They should all be aware of it so realistically no one should really be affected by this.

>live viewers
>can't count it live
nice susan

>>15927256
Probably not. Gura is actually terrified of numbers. She's too scared to use her twitter account you think she can bother looking at her analytics?

>>15927069
Isn't this update recent?
Selen, Hal, and Saki only show metrics for older stream instead of their latest too

>/#/ always mocked and belittled them
>In our hour of need, they're the only ones who tried to save us
It's time to apologize.

>>15927321
Selen got the idea from Hal, so I'll only kneel to the Emperor.

>>15927321
>Mocked and Belittled
>Hal
Anon, please, this is the place that proclaimed him the King of Indies, Emperor of all Vtubers, and that is kneeling to him for the longest time

>>15927069
What websites is she using? I see playboard but what's the other one?

>>15927209
>news report from ####, Canada
>local professional streamer's ####, body was found washed up yesterday from the #### river with 3 self inflicted gunshot wounds the the back of the head
>police have ruled it a suicide and loser the investigation

>>15927256
Gura said she's never opened the analytics tab on her channel page before so it's unlikely

>>15927362
Looks like private internal data.

>>15927375
>>15927315
gura....

>>15927290
That would be when you approach YT and go 'mate wtf are these fucked up numbers???'. Advertisers losing faith in the metrics is how. You get YT to move at lighting speed. Which, well, given how this is snowballing, might very well be happening behind the scenes as ad departments fiddle around with the data and come to similar conclusions of 'Shit's fucked'. Of course, corps move at glacial paces most of the time, so 'lightning fast' is relative.

>>15927362
Youtube analytics. Only visible to the channel owner.

>>15927290
Sponsorships bypass Google and give money directly to creators, whereas ads require you to give money to Google who then distribute it to creators based on their (now obviously imaginary) numbers. I wonder which Google would prefer to be easier to use

>>15927362
Her own youtube analytics page that only she can see

>>15927362
It's her own youtube channel analytics/dashboard

>>15927013
What a pathetic cull. So small!
Thanks all the same for talking about it.

>>15927362
Youtube's built-in creator studio
You're never going to see it unless you hack into Selen's account

These vtubers are holding the REAL numbers hostage and they are NOT sharing this with you
How does this make you feel?

Last year the MTG stream with Kagami and Yashiro was getting almost 70k, but now it’s not even breaking 20k

>>15927362
Her youtube studio

>>15927361
You all shat on him for his poor solo Apex numbers. He was king of indies before this retarded board ever existed.

So have people just been overreacting? The girls know their true CCV, it's just not properly displayed.

>>15927420
a bot

>>15927420
I just want them to be happy...That's the only reason I care about the numbers going up.

>>15927256
shark haet number

>>15927013
Selen please laugh more at NijiEN. You deserve an even bigger incline

>>15927422
I guess people who thought IT man wasn't infected have gotten BTFO. Maybe his core hasn't but the niji tourists are infected.

>>15927422
What the fuck is that goblin in the middle.

>>15927450
>The girls know their true CCV, it's just not properly displayed.
It is displayed wrong for them both live and until about 24 hours later, when their analytics silent picks it up

>>15927402
Smart advertisers already don't trust Google's numbers, they pull all kinds of obviously weird stuff with realtime bidding, how they count impressions and clicks, etc
They're basically the only game in town though, so you either pay them and hope they don't scam you too hard, or you don't advertise online

>>15927013
Stop coping Selen...
Analytics jsut doesn't block bots...

>>15927087
WTF thats a huge cull.

>>15927480
>this man wasn't here for NJU when part 1 peaked during Chaika's part

>>15927231
Is this the real reason why the Kiara/Pomu collab was denied?

>>15927013
>bug
It's not a bug but a feature
Regards

>>15927408
I wouldn't trust Google to cut my hair much less advertise my product if they're cooking numbers this much. It's about trust. Advertisers really have no choice since there is almost nothing else to do besides to pay Google whatever they want.

>>15927013
My wife is based

>>15927519
It's 2k from 6k in hal's tweet, even worse

>>15927475
I mean, only a matter of time as more users get stuck with the flags. It's going got keep getting worse and worse, only the biggest Holos are still 'okay' due to the large reserve of users that don't watch EVERY stream, but even foobs and her poketourists have started to get culled too.

>>15927422
Screens for the last year one

>>15927013
>>15927069
So.. No gold tally till the "bug" get "fixed"? What are we numberfag now? SC's? And Cover / Original song views?

>>15927475
Easy to check the VOD tomorrow.
The stream they did last year has 675k COD views after a year.

So far, Yashiro has shown no signs of his channel being culled (he's been beating Kuzuha in CCV the past week)

>>15927013
so, actual bug / incompetence or something else. it kind of doesn't make any sense as the latter because, like, why would they want to fuck over vtubers? but then on another hand i'm like 99% certain google would do this

so... the great and fantastic updated of youtube is delay the live viewers count

>>15927562
Oh, we'll still tally, but the entire month basically has a big ol' * beside it until this (hopefully, pray) gets fixed.

>>15927562
If we start giving golds for SC, Chloe would dominate

>>15927498
It'd just be easier to give money to Anycolor/Cover directly if they they want to sponsor anything When it comes to general ads aimed at vtuber watchers it'd also be easier to work with companies directly instead of throwing money at google's money pit.

>>15927420
I've wanted accurate member data for the longest time so I feel just the same way

>>15927562
Speaking of cover song views, came across this randomly.

Are most of you here from K*w*f*rms?

>>15927562
They guy who does the weekly song rankings quit. We truly are abandoned.

>>15927291
So, is it possible that their own analytics are still affected by the cull in Dec 2020? But not yet for this new one.

>>15927597
I hope chloe and rushia become friends

>>15927422
>Yashiro didn't catch the CCVID
I guess Chaika was the vector all along

>>15927616
No but I do visit Kiwifarms to shit on trannies and see the latest doxx info. One of the few based sites left on the internet.

>>15927616
Kiwi farms? No, silly, this is the numbers thread not the kiwis thread.

>>15927616
where

>>15927013
thanks selen

>>15927640
I think Kagami has a ton of tourists/hako-oshis
Very big numbers for his event stuff but pretty low for day to day streams
His bloodborne streams also culled for 25-30%

>>15927622
chartanon is mia, songanon is on hiatus, superchatanon is infrequent...
/#/ in shambles

>>15927707
>chartanon is mia
Only the nip one. The resident one is present but, for obvious reasons, there is no point in charting anything for the past few days

I've been enjoying streams more ever since everyone starts getting shit number. The process is slow but I think my numberrot is healing.

>>15927013
>>15927069
She really is /here/ huh

>>15927616
kek, no. Most are "born and raised" in this site from what I could gather. /old/b, /old/sp, /pol/, /a/ and /jp/ would be the most common point of entry for anyone getting sucked into this hellhole of thread

If all the vtubers have access to the real numbers all along doesn't that decrease the chances of this getting fixed?
They don't have to worry as much since they have their real numbers, and they can just show sponsors those when needed.

>>15927752
Chart japbro is a niji nip u know the reason

A bit off-topic, but the next youtube update has a live stream duration timer, which is pretty nice. It was kinda tedious to refresh page manually to check duration.

>>15927806
>has a live stream duration timer
Has a what what? You're not making sense

>>15927616
/a/ oldfag to /jp/ to... here.

>chloe 1 hour zatsu
>only 50k views
I don't think it's all on youtube fuckery here

>>15927806
Kek they're only gonna implement it now? Wouldn't be suprised if that shit displayed negative numbers based on pajeetube's reputation

>>15927613
Well done Twap. Jesus, this guy has a shit ton of views.

>>15927863
1 hour Zatsu with 50k would normally be closer to 4k CCV, but she didn't even crack 3k.

>>15927890
That's mafumafu you newfag.

>>15927790
>show sponsors those when needed.
Thats why anons are worried for indie chuubas and small agencies. Sponsors aren't likely to go to them to discover their internal analytics if they don't see big numbers first. Might as well just get a mid-tier niji or low-tier holo instead of experimenting

>>15927806
They broke the "Started streaming X time ago" message months ago and never fixed it, I have no confidence in them being able to implement the same thing but in reverse.

someone needs to update this >>15923321
marine for example is already nearing 200k views

>>15927613

>>15927790
It just means the rankings done here are not completely accurate. Makes me wonder if this also relates to the December 2020 issue. While we saw a visible the drop, the actual numbers appeared later on and we are non the wiser.

Which then doesn't make sense to have a feature that does this stuff to live viewers if you're then giving them all back and then some.

>>15927919
That's true but YouTube likely doesn't give a fuck.

>>15927920
This is their way of fixing it
It's impossible to get Google's elite 10% rockstar programmers to fix bugs, so they had to trick them into fixing it by making it a new feature instead

>>15927790
that's the excuse they have been giving out since last year
yes it will not get fixed, never
since the only one affected are (vtuber) numberfags that nobody cares

>>15927916
Sorry, I don't keep up with his song numbers...Because unlike you, I am not a gay. I just watch his apex.

I love the way the line bends right before reaching a whole thousand, stays there for a couple of minutes until (if it gathered enough momentum), it dashes to the next thousand.

This already happened before but it is more apparent now that the rate of incline is also artificially capped.
It genuinely looks like it’s not even trying to show the real live viewership, it estimates it to the nearest thousand, apply some “noise” to look like it’s natural and jumps from thousand to the next

>>15927775
No she's not. None of the Nijis are.

>>15927928
Ado is an insanely high bar.

>>15927927
Probably better to do it a few hours from now, it's still updating and there's no point in updating it constantly.

From the way things are moving, the numbers this time were higher than last time.

>>15927965
Hi Reimu.

>>15927965
t. Reimu

>>15927317
that means ccv has never been reliable

>>15927960
it would explain why all the lines in the holo mk collab looked the same with the same peaks and drops

>>15927937
An anon theorized that this helps them fight the crypto bots, but because their viewer vetting process takes time they just cull first verify later.
I wouldn't be surprised though, if certain streamers that they've invested in are flagged to have instant viewer verification.

>>15927960
lol, this looks like it will hardcapped at 18 or 19k

>When someone here says no, it's a yes

>>15927972
Still, it is good to keep things in perspective.
t. Towafag

>>15927965
Selen once told people to go to sleep and just do their archive reps.
I've never heard people say archive reps anywhere else on the internet but this board.

>>15927916
Mafumafu is a trendchaser who has failed in just about every endeavor he has strived for. He was a failed Vocaloid producer and after he got booted out of that community he latched onto the next trend, Kpop. He is a lame Kpop femboy reject who so despertly wishes he was Korean. He needs to realize that, no matter how much he wishes to be, that he will never be Korean.

Now he is trendchasing vtubing. Its just one trend to the next with this pathetic fraud.

>>15927013
JWU to kneel to Selen

>>15928002
>flagged
that's called whitelisting

>>15927937
It just means kpop fans seethe about not being able to pump the numbers up to get their dopamine rush and indian rappers pretending to be popular.

>>15928017
>after he got booted out of that community
What did he do?

>>15927955
It will have a huge impact on the mental state of certain streamers, especially on the lower end where they're literally already telling 2views that nobody is watching when there are actually viewers there
Unfortunately the department responsible for writing blog posts about how much they care for creators is separate from the engineering team staffed by autistic robots who think getting the real numbers 3 days later makes this fine

>>15928044
He sucked

>>15928002
>An anon theorized that this helps them fight the crypto bots
kek, that’s why the only JP streams not affected was the Ripple cryptobots

>>15928014
>I've never heard people say archive reps anywhere else on the internet but this board.
I've heard it plenty of times on /jp/

>>15927984
>>15927990
>2022
>STILL falling for fake images
>>15928014
_____ reps are a fitness term

共感性羞恥は、1987年にMillerが定義づけた現象とされています。この1987年にMillerにより発表された論文が、「Rowland S. Miller:Empathic embarrassment: Situational and personal determinants of reactions to the embarrassment of another」です。

>>15928017
Figured you'd pop up as soon as I named him..I swear to god, do you have a bit trawling /vt/ for mentions of him or something?

>>15928076
Doesn't make it less /here/, anon

>>15928093
people call it "second-hand cringe" these days

>>15928090
>Trying to damage control by claiming the yab was a fake image
Holy shit it really is you Reimu, whats up? Hey, at least the number cancer doesn't affect you anyway since your numbers were double digit in the first place.

you know, it's really nice to get confirmation that we weren't crazy after all
you still need to take your meds tho

>>15928069
Because scamjeets probably use new accounts to bot after the old ones get flagged/banned

>>15928069
yes it has been talked by the JP since day1
and YT does a poor job at it too
at least they are successful in screwing over ASUS

>ccv has always been shit
so this autist was right to change the ranks to views in 2021. Where is the other anon with that cumulative rank stuff? I never saved that one

>>15928095
No bot, I just spread the word whenever I see a mention of him. I have to make sure everybody understands how awful he is.

Not that numbers even fucking matter anymore. But Mikochi...

>>15928017
How the fuck is mafumafu a failed producer are you dumb

>>15928132
Funny coming from the people who have been going full damage control for the last 3 days because your precious numbers went down.

>>15928184 (me)
oops

>>15928143
Not really. I'm actually kind of depressed because around 90% of the people on this board lack the ability to interpret data and understand patterns. If you didn't think the cull was real 4 days ago then you're simply an NPC who can't engage in critical thought. This whole episode has been a microcosm of the world in the past few years and makes you realize why so many people lined up to get vaxxed despite the data showing it had absolutely no effect on transmission.

>>15928191
damn, after the mikkorone streams i really wonder why miko got hit so hard relative to others

>>15927901
Yeah but 4k is pretty fucking low regardless. She reclined to hell and back. Even Iroha gets a bit more on her zatsus and she has 250k less subs.

>>15928191
Nice Nike product placement

>>15928191
even subaru only got like 3k so it's not that bad

>>15928203
Has Pekora really not been #1 since January?

>>15928002
Notice how Twitch doesn't have a crypto scam viewbot problem despite having literally no viewbot filtering whatsoever
They have accomplished this via a method completely unthinkable to google: having actual humans working there

>>15928191
Getting above waiting room numbers is actually a huge success these days. At least she's not like Lamy who has a permanent 90% cull on her. The fact her graph is inclining and not hitting any stalls is extremely healthy.

kek

>>15927627
Didn’t they have a collab at kanata’s apartment recently? Apparently coco was also there, would be a simp Armageddon if the three super chat queen got together in one place but too bad we will never see it.

>>15928224
She was already hit before, during the shiraken MC collab and the Among Us collab.
People noticed her karaokes were at 7k less than what they usually got, but her VOD views were the same.

Looking back, I feel pretty stupid for believing in the "People are just busy during the holidays" theory.

>>15928191
hurry up and change to old outfit and say nigga plz

>>15928143
No one ever doubted this place was mentally ill but it feels nice that this place wasn't wrong.

>>15928224
Yeah Miko got hit hard for some reason

>>15927647
>Kiwifarms
>based
I will admit that shitting on trannies is fine, and I don't mind doxx, the people on there are pathetic.

>>15928256
NIJI gold
>niji gold
NIJI gold
>niji gold

>>15928245
It's possible. Botfarms these days use real humans with multiple devices. It's a whole operation. It's not just some script kiddies running some shitty script

>>15928256
salary man strong

>>15928236
iwould disregard holox for november, since they had like 2 or 3 streams - 1 debut, 1 first holox collab, and maybe i think 1 more as well. So peko wins last month as well

>>15928203
>view per time
Ratio posters are always in the wrong.

nature is healing

>>15928295
>the people on there are pathetic.
I've never heard any valid explanation for this that wasn't just a asshurt leftoid or one of the lolcows they make fun of in question.

>>15928324
Paying CWC to still exist and trying to delete any traces of it after it was reviled he raped his mother for one thig.

>>15928305
The spammers could have the most advanced and realistic-looking viewbotting ever, it would still be possible to deal with them by just having a single human moderator look at the top viewed streams and manually ban the obvious scams

>>15928203
>view per time
This will never not be a meme. It's one of the most retarded rations anyone in these threads has cooked up. It doesn't track anything useful at all, it's just Enron level book cooking.

>>15928272
Well, as soon as the really fucky Live numbers came out and everyone started getting oddly low numbers, we knew SOMETHING was wacky, it's just that I, and many others, said to wait and see if this was just holiday shit or if YT had fucked up, again. Lo and behold, we have the data now and it's abundantly clear that this kicked into overdrive on at leateat, the 28th, and perhaps had been affecting some others before that.

>>15928143
>you still need to take your meds tho
PSSSSSSSSSSSSST!
>HEY ANONS

This will only sting a little, form a queue!

>>15928191
>From top 5 streamer in the world
>to this
Man, she got kneecapped probably harder than most. Poor Miko doesn't deserve this :(

I don't think we have to worry about any Holo showing up on that top streamers list anymore, lol.

>>15928314
>>15928345
Its always salty last samurai types discounting the great work that chartanon does just because it shows just how strong Gura really is.

>>15928370
Yeah the Youtube admins really got upset that their lists were dominated by cute anime girls.

So, were ENs hit by culling last december then? The pattern was identical and it started about the same time last year...

>>15928361
I think what ultimately broke the camel's back was Noel's karaoke not getting 10k.

That's just impossible after months of consistent 10k Noel karaokes.
But the culling has gotten so much worse since.

>>15927013
Interesting. However, I took a nap and it was revealed to me in a dream that Nijisanji isn't getting culled. They are going through a genuine recline.

>>15928345
If I understand it correctly it attempts to normalizes number of views by duration of stream. So you can't get to the top of the rankings by streaming a lot you have to have compelling content.
I think it can be manipulated though by those that make a lot of short videos.

>>15928411
Everyone on the platform was hit by the culling last year. Every. Single. Streamer. Don't listen to people that try to say that it only affected holo myth.

>spic schizo likes time/view
That's enough reason to throw it in the trash right there

Numbers

>>15928411
Everyone was hit by a cull back then, EN just got the worst of it. Likewise, everyone is getting hit by another cull now, it's just that JP is by far getting the worst of it.

>>15928339
Nah, that's too complicated. Imagine how HARD would be for google to have one person responsible for tallying the most viewed streams of the day and manually select some of those based on some criteria like, I don't know, having more than 10k peak CCV.

They could call it the "FlNAL TALLY OF THE DAY" or so, and they they could filter the list for some arbitrary criteria and act on that.

Nah, that's just crazy talk, it would take a whole team of people to do that daily

>>15928245
>actual humans viewfarms
eh but how many views could they actually get? Lets say they have a whole 100 people, who can keep up 6 device watchers at once... that is just 600 viewers, thats nothing compared to top streamers. They could only achieve huge numbers with actual automated bots

>>15928190
So.... Schizo.

>>15928449
The last cull behaved like a scalar whereas this one is just getting worse and worse. ENs and JPs lost like 40% at the most, Lamy is losing 70%+

>>15928191
With that said she just hit 4k which is a larger number than just about anybody else who has done Mario Kart practice aside from like Gura. In the new age of numbers Miko is still showing her power.

>>15928447
Must be nice to be unculled.
He is pulling gacha tho and just got Xiao so he probably hit his peak for the stream.

>>15927945
Sounds real

>>15927375
>>15927396
It's even worse than that. She actively hides the CCV during the stream. One RE8 stream that went off the rails with YouTube dying had 3K viewers left and she didn't realize something was wrong until chat spammed enough guru guru.

>>15928468
to you too>>15928305

>>15928478
He might be culled but just barely like Selen

>>15928468
Anon...
With cheap phones and a stable enough connection, one person could easily contribute hundreds to thousands of live viewers if they are so inclined.

>>15928490
Hiding it during stream is fine as it effects some people negatively creating a worse stream experience for everyone. If you're not at least looking at it afterwards though to see what your viewers like you're a shit streamer/content creator.

>>15928510
Naw if you look at his VOD views and compare them to Holos with similar CCV, his VODs are way lower even when his streams are longer.
I don't think any of the NijiEN males are culled right now.

>>15928442
those ranks dont consider any music videos, clips or other short videos, only streams. Its written somewhere in the huge wall of green text he posts alongside it

>>15928449
2020 cull behaved nothing like the current cull. They share nothing in common other than the fact numbers have gone down because of it. It's the difference between being unhealthy because you got a cold and being unhealthy because you have terminal cancer and trying to compare symptoms under the basis of they both times a person got sick.

At least she surpassed her waiting room this time

>>15928324
They just crave drama and want people to laugh at. I don't understand it to be honest. Why obsess yourself over drama like that?

>>15928468
>6
lol. A serious bot farms like that would have at least a hundred device per person

>>15928539
Which viewer overlap could be seen, would be interesting to see how many of their viewers are completely new to watching vtubers on youtube. I know Twitch has some amount of info you can see on overlap.

Is it fair to say youtube is culling vtubers to entice big twtich streamers to hop over? Like giving it the illusion that the competition is low and the ones that switched had amazing success. While vise versa happens and twitch becomes the vtuber hub because of Kson.

>>15928526
>hundreds to thousands of live viewers
if he could, it would lose all patterns of normal human viewing behavior. It would just be a human supervising automated bots at this point

>HoloX Minecraft VOD views after 19 hours
Jesus Christ, Laplus is getting robbed this month.
Her CCV so far this month is actually insane.

Her karaoke that peaked at waiting room is also already at 300k views for a 1:38:00 stream.

>>15928510
I realize you guys are dealing with some crazy culls, but losing 30% of your viewership like Selen demonstrated isn't 'barely' under any circumstances.

Her usual karaoke numbers are over 1500

>>15928444

>>15927624
My attempt to get 3 CCV with three people last year was still fucked in the post-stream analytics after a year. >>15884907

>>15928503
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZhlU2_YsPE
This is a video about click farms but the same principle applies. A person can handle up to 200 devices and they employ many people.

>>15928468
No, I'm saying one human working at google could counter whatever strategy the spammers use by just looking at the biggest streams of the day and banning the ones that are obviously spam themselves
Twitch has staff watching the catalog and if your stream has an unusual gigantic spike in viewers you will always see them show up in chat to see what's going on

>>15928608
better pic on same scales

>>15928447

>>15927955
it's also affecting YouTube Gaming as a whole. They're down 40% since Q4 2020 in publicly tallied watch hours and outlets are already writing about how Facebook Gaming is winning.

>>15928038
Indian rappers are popular anon. You are forgetting the Indian population and the fact youtube is the main music streaming platform for the entire pop.

>>15928579
It's funny and honestly a nice throwback to the time when people didn't take the internet seriously

I heard Miko got culled hard because she was the last one in Christmas relay streams?

>>15928629
>using human labor
Wow. Can't do that, Google is a tech company. Everything has to be automated using AI

>>15928444
Yes Pekora's stream with her mom did even bigger numbers than we think it did. Probably beat Miko's comeback stream.

Haha it's great to see the numbercucks kneeling to the Nijichads.
You should all apologise for shitting on them and forever be in debt to them.

>>15928657
>838 CCV
>8116 votes in a 14 minute poll
Goddamn that's a high turnover rate.

>>15927290
YouTube cooks numbers in your favor. You pay for 1000 viewers, but are actually getting 2-3000. That's good for you.

>>15928591
Even Lui has decent numbers

>>15928663

>>15928589
True, I guess it'd require a bit more effort for one person, but I could see 50-100 being juggled by one person and racks of cheap phones, just manually tap the screens, adjust volume once in a while, etc.

>>15928017
He made it pretty far by trendchasing vtubing. Some might say he even got into Rushia's pants.

>>15928444
Coco got 700k- 1m ccv i mean she got 5m+ after 24 hrs

>>15928686
i still won't watch any nijis but i'll give selen an orange SC for that tweet.

>>15928530
>muh bad streamer
She's the numbers prodigy, not the numbers tryhard

>>15928657
>>15928687
Why is this girl getting culled so hard?

>>15928725
kek chumbuds so sensitive as usual

>>15928591
>Her karaoke that peaked at waiting room is also already at 300k views for a 1:38:00 stream.
I looked into it. The truth is that people on watched 2m48s of her stream on average. No funny numbers here.

>>15928591
Damn, they really killed it with Gen 6. Laplus is a solid top tier Holo. Iroha is a solid mid to high tier Holo. Koyori is looking like a solid mid tier while Lui is looking like a low tier but one who could put up impressive song views sort of similar to Towa.

Then there is Chloe who would fit into the mid to high like Iroha but who just might turn out to have even more money sucking power than Rushia.

>>15928713
Not hard to groom a menhera. Shame he sucks at everything else.

>>15928724
Nah, she called it a bug so she gets nothing. Anybody with even a little bit of understanding would know that it isn't a bug and that this is what youtube wants.

>>15928726
Is that hoshikawa?

>>15928657
holy shit, susan straight up broke this girls' kneecaps

>>15928539
>>15928586
Just to show I wasn't talking out of my ass.
Admittedly, Irys did have a few extra days to farm some VOD views, but it's not even close.

>>15928812
It's Asuma Sena, I was just commenting on how there was another screenshot of her CCVs getting trashed >>15928657

>>15928591
>sub 2 hour utawaku already 300k views
That's supposed to be orca's niche and she's already struggling with viewership relative to her subs.

>>15927013
One thing I'd like to see is the post-stream analytics CCV vs poll data. With the currently estimated cull rates, the poll engagement would still be well above 50% in the first few minutes which is nuts.

>>15928849
>she's already struggling with viewership relative to her subs.
Not really?

>>15928827
Damn, its crazy how much the Holos are getting kneecapped in comparison. Its making annoying ass Nijiniggers think they are competing when it actuality they are still getting blown the fuck out but youtube isn't showing us that.

>>15928566
Look at that up and down pattern after she hits 3k, you don't normally see that right?

>>15928887
i think hes talking ccv, her vod views are fine. Or hes retarded

>>15928849
Her niche is stealing your wallet, anon
She's already 82nd in the all time superchat ranking and making twice as much as Rushia every week

>>15928017
>Mafumafu
>failed
he's a multi-millionaire who just participated in the who's who of all japanese celebs during new years

>>15928896
That's just MK8. People tab out waiting for the next race.

>>15928896
i think thats just because its a marika stream, but im not watching right now. if shes playing with viewers, thats how usually mk streams look

>>15928887
Anon those karaokes are days old and Laplus' recent one was not even a day ago

>>15928912
>>15928921
Do we have a comparison for MK8 last year? I also thought that tabbing out doesn't affect you being counted as a view or not.

>>15928827
Kek

Makes me wonder what the VOD comparison is going to look like between these streams, haha.

so what will happen if they started culling even VOD views?

>>15928911
You are unironically replying to fucking mafuschizo copypasta. Kys.

>>15928657
That's a lot of vote bots

>>15928924
200k+ VOD views on a short karaoke is objectively good.
Laplus's numbers are irrelevant to Chloe's.

>>15928706
And then that pajeet leaves google since he has better CV now and the newcomer doesn't know how to fix the code

>>15928942
Whole lot of people will riot since ad rev is linked to vod views

>>15928942
That's when people would actually move to Twitch. Streamers who don't care about their vods just focus on live views there and usually only archive on youtube.

>>15928591
>gen 1 is a success
>gen 2 is a success
>gen 3 is a massive success
>gen 4 is a success
>myth is a massive success
>council is a success
>gen 6 is a massive success
What went wrong with gen 5?

>>15928935
Not sure if this would include enough viewers to cause that amount of drop off, but the idea I had was the "tab out" drop off was phone users switching to a different app or something similar. Because as you alluded to a lot of people have tested and tabbing out didn't stop their view from counting.

>>15928657
The half of the 24 hour stream probably did a lot of damage too.

>>15928713
kek

>>15928991
Gen 5 was looking massive, then the Aloe incident kneecapped them and Myth stole the wind out of their sails.
Their streamers also just don't stand out but they have created some strong cult followings.

>>15928991
Gen 5 was a success as well, just not as big. It was kind of poor timing and it didn't have a hard carry like Pekora, Gura, or Laplus.

>>15928763
If I were to guess, assuming this viewer bug doesn't kill HoloX (it shouldn't), then their medians going forward should be:
Laplus - 15-20k
Iroha - 10-12k
Chloe - 10-11k (will be likely carried by karaokes)
Koyori - 6-8k
Lui - 2-4k

>>15928991
>gen 5 schizo
oh look

>>15928991
Hype completely derailed by sex... getting harassed into graduating immediately, and EN arriving immediately afterwards

>>15928991
>council is a success

>>15927863
>and still manages near 1.5 mil yen in scs
calling it now, VOD count fuckery is afoot
let me cope

>>15929039
They're objectively worse than gen 2 (Aqua, Subaru, Shion, Ayame) or gen 1 (Fubuki, Haachama).
>>15929051
More successful than gen 5 at least, have you seen the sub 1k views gen 5 are getting recently?

>>15928911
if he's a multi-millionaire he wouldn't be chasing trends my man

>>15929088
>have you seen the sub 1k views gen 5 are getting recently
I accept your confession

>>15928827
2 pov stream where viewers constantly switch between tabs, triggering ccv and views each time vs single pov stream with pretty dedicated viewers (by that I mean that NijiEN boys have a big part of new viewers who watch them, but not other NijiEN members / other vtubers in general), so they don't have any reason to switch their tabs very often.

>thread relaxes and relapses in their classic tribalism just because the CCV bug is discussed outside of here
Oh how cute, it must look to you like it will *surely* be fixed by the pajeets, huh?

>>15929088
There is no "objectively" here unless you want to talk about raw numbers. If that's the case Coco was probably the biggest success until she graduated.

>>15928090
reimu... you're only making it more obvious...

>>15929113
Objectively gen 1, gen 2, and gen 4 all had/have bigger numbers than gen 5.

>>15929102
clearly you're not in the grindset

>>15929125
Which numbers?

>>15928090
You should also go exercise instead of playing Apex so much Reimu

>thread is so shit, anon started replying to gen 5 schizo

>>15929165
Reminds me of the good old days when it was 30k minimum for gold...

>>15928991
No standout talent. They're just the everyday people that happens to stream with anime avatars. Majority of Gen 6 are slightly higher spec for example.
>Laplus has an engaging on stream presence and is generally the better entertainer than all of Gen 5
>Iroha is a minecraft god and she actually makes being seiso a selling point which is rare enough in hololive
>chloe is a better singer than all of Gen 5 but thats not a high bar to be fair

>>15928894
Guwa has -30%
Selen has -30%
Cope in the dark

>>15927013
>>15927069
I still feel those analytics CCV numbers aren't correct either

>>15928942
the local jewtube pajeet slaves are already working on implementing the VOD view cap

>>15929147
Everything. Subs, ccv, vods, SCs

>>15929191
I'd say chloe is suisei tier given enough time to polish

>>15929211
Yeah they don't really seem quite right. It feels like part of the suppression is being fixed but not all of it. Don't blame me for being skeptical

>>15929213
anon... don't lose your mind

>>15928935
>I also thought that tabbing out doesn't affect you being counted as a view or not.
doesnt matter to vod views, it definitely matters to ccv even before the ccvid

>>15929165
I wonder how ENschizo is getting by these days

Subaru, your numbers...

>>15929040
You're underselling Iroha and overselling Chloe. Other than that, I'd agree.

>>15927013
>>15927069
Just because youtube gives Slene a higher number than we're seeing what is the proof that the number Youtube is giving her is the real number?

>>15929191
Myth are also just everyday people but mogged the shit out of gen 5.

Niji gold! Without their bots hololive is nothing. Thank you Susan.

>>15929165
Just a bunch of newfags who have been brought in by the latest happening.

>>15929248
Right, I forgot with how many SCs she gets, Chloe will be doing a shitton of SC readings, which will tank her median more than anyone in HoloX.

>>15929262
With the cull gura is top 3 now

>>15929234
Nah she has a LONG way to go. Suisei in her INNK days are already better than her.

holy shit a 20k stream, it only took a stream that was triple of that last year
fuck man

>>15929270
She could skip lower amounts or lessen them, if she wanted to go the Laplus route. It seems like she doesn't mind though

>>15929291
Gura can finally compete and all it took was slashing JPs views by 80%.

>>15929200
>Guwa has -30%
12k is 50% of 24k...

>>15929301
It's "were"

>>15929312
>ignoring Gura being slashed by 50% last year then 40% this year for a total of 90%

>>15927622
https://youtu.be/FTr1pWBmafE
There's this guy who's taking over the song ranking stream in the meantime. He's not as polished as the other guy but he'll do for now.

anyone who think this cull doesn't affect on the long term is coping.

>>15929262
go back to your contaiment tranny

>>15927321
Emperor Protects!

I wonder: if this gets fixed, will we go back to pre December 2021 or pre December 2020? I assume it's going to get fixed in some form since too many people are talking about it this time for YouTube to just sweep it under the rug like last time.

>>15929336
by the way is there a list with all the holos songs and covers?

>>15929336
Is her doing that thing where he gives new covers more than a week to count it's views so it hypes it up a bit? I liked that touch.

>>15929327
*was

>>15929388
Pre December 2020 sounds good. I want to see big numbers

>>15929402
seems like it, he only counts songs that's been up for at least a week, that's why gura's target for love isn't on the ranking

>>15929388
It depends, do you think the Youtube Gaming guy can tear himself away from tweeting about cryptocurrency for long enough to notice that the precipitous decline in overall viewership since 2020 that the media is slamming him for is actually because his engineering team are retards

>>15929388
Nothing's gonna change.

>>15929335
>26 / 46 = 50%
SEA education....

>>15929270
I hope she'd tone down on the SC reading. She has everything working for her but she fucked all the momentum she got in exchange for like, 3k gachis. I mean, she probably doesn't give a rat's ass about any other numbers except the dosh but it's a shame regardless.

>>15929388
either they hide poll vote numbers or ccv altogether because they are "bad for the streamer mental health" or some shit

>>15926991
>Only 9k
Roboco

>>15929262
>the man still going strong in this trying times

>>15929327
Dumbass

>>15929388
>get fixed in some form since too many people are talking about it this time for YouTube to just sweep it under the rug like last time
anon, even more people complained about it the last time, as it was easy to show the % cuts being applied to all lives at the same time. And in the end they still went with "this is a feature to stay"

>>15929388
no way they're gonna fix anything
the number pre 2020 cull is too scary the top streamer list will be dominated by hololive
and they will not let this happen

>>15929477
>70% less viewers than last year
>going strong

>>15929422
You won't see big numbers, as current numbers are the real ones. Well, that's not true either, because yesterday yt staff promised that in the nearest few days they'll slash bot-spam ccv even more.
There were no big numbers in the first place, VTubers are just a joke, inflated with bot views. When Susan finishes her noble duty, everyone will see how tiny VTubing industry really is.

the number of kr/vt/ thread

>>15929508
But this time big VTubers are talking about it, and the cut is even more steep than before (and getting worse)

>>15929262
based Susan
another day, another Nijisanji gold

How do we gonna cope if they didn't fix this shit?

>>15929262
They should do those $10,000 gift box streams more often, the crazy rare MTG cards they pull pay back more than the cost of the gift bags and I think their can get tax returns from classifying them as business expenses.

>>15929335
Abd pekora got culled 50% too, whats your point?

>>15929312
>Culling cope
Absolutely states of ENschizo

>>15929526
she's killing livestreaming for the adsense sponsors

>>15929533
2020 cull affected all streamers and they all called out on it, it was much worse pr

Unculled?

https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1478922404290342916
https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1478922404290342916
https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1478922404290342916

>We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We have received a number of reports regarding the issue of a decrease in the number of simultaneous viewers during live streaming, and our dedicated department is currently working on a fix. We apologize for the inconvenience and thank you for your understanding.

The replies are changing for the better

>>15929567
There is no culling
Your JP midgets are just declining hard

>>15929581
That's only doing good thing for them, as they won't pay for 90% bot views.

>>15929586
I don't remember as many people talking about the 2020 cull as much

>>15929322
Gura hardly got 20k before the cull. Her last DBD before the cull got 17k (12 / 17) - 1 = -30%

>>15929604
>one canned response changed for another canned response
Nothing really changed, anon.

>>15929628
I read 'Guwa as 'Gwelu'
Sorry

>>15929597
Her likes is close to her peak. (6.9k peak , 6k likes)
For JPs, especially for a 25 min stream so far, it should be 1/2 at most.

>>15929653
No worries Nijibro. Hope Gwelu gets fixed soon.

>>15929628
Retard

>>15929628
>Hardly got 20k before the cull

Do you guys remember last week when Subaru was getting 12k only with Outlast 2 and people were worried about a potential cull?

If only we knew what was in store.

>>15929695
Half of those are under 20k anon and the other half she got over 20k are either her buff content like rhythm streams or variety streams that get more tourists than normal (meme review)

>>15929771
>Not even 1 hour

Still Still Stellar sold 469 physical copies this week (23,198 total) and 324 digital copies this week (8,503 total?)
Sunny!!! sold 260 physical copies this week (22,859 total)
Aliens EP sold 188 physical copies this week (2,859 total)
Reflexion sold 170 physical copies this week (15,407 total)
Prism sold 165 physical copies this week (5,746 total)
Watame no Uta vol.2 sold 966 digital copies this week.

>>15929784
>7:4
>Half
Retard...your math...

>>15929789
You think this is going to get to 10k?

>>15929784
Oh no no no buff stuff doesn't count!
She's not JP!

Numbers seem pretty low across the bar right now, desu, likes and VOD views wise that is

>>15929812
Stop replying ENschizo

>>15929841
Gura needs buff content to get over 20k. She normally doesn't with regular old streams like Minecraft and Mario Kart. The original point was there was no real reason to think she'd get 24k on a normal game stream and that selection reinforces that position.

>>15929336
I knew somebody would jump right in. The weekly lists proved too popular.

>Point out Gura has struggled to hit 20k in recent months
>Cumbuckets start going crazy and trolling
Ah it's just like old /#/

>>15929424
See here's the problem, the guy who runs youtube gaming is a marketing/PR guy, not the guy in charge of the technical/back end stuff. He's about as in charge of them as I am in charge of the pack of gophers that live in my yard, so to get anything done he's going to have to participate in office politics to get the backend guys in trouble.

>>15929882
SEE>>15929740
Explain why her median of 2021 is above 20k first retard

>>15929882
>Gura needs buff content to get over 20k. She normally doesn't with regular old streams like Minecraft
>20k
>minecraft
???

>>15929808
How did you track Watame no Uta's digital copies being sold?

>>15929910
>Point out Gura has struggled to hit 20k in recent months
That's why her median for Dec 2021 is 23k right?
Do you know what a median is?

Is Laplus gonna end up being stronger than Miko and Subaru?

>>15929910
>Tell obvious lies
>posters respond with facts and numbers
>Accuses them of trolling
Aah, the last samurai playbook

>>15929771
I have sifted through the pond sand and I don't think Reddit Duck is getting culled. She is just going through a genuine recline.

>>15929951
No. The cull makes it impossible to ever get to that level.

>>15929301
I disagree
chloe doesn't have THAT far to go

>>15929808
Is there any data on Towa's EP yet?

>>15929978
What are you talking about? If everyone is hit the same then we can still compare.

Last samurai just loves lies guys
That's his only way to win

>>15929950
you really should stop earnestly responding to obvious trolls

hi NUMBrains

>>15930056
MY OSHI!!!

>>15930012
what the fuck are you even talking about retard?

>>15929950
Median favors streamers that stream less and have a higher proportion of "event" streams, like Ayame.

so what is the required amount of views to not be considered a midget?

>>15930087
>replying to lastsamuraischizo

aaahh i can smell the SEA stench from here.

>>15929986
Not until next week, along with the miko/korone song if it makes the ranking.
Oricon was pretty late with putting out the data this time.
I'm surprised Watame no Uta vol. 2 sold that much considering it's part of her birthday pack as well.

>>15930087
Thats spic schizo and his only purpose here is to stir up shit because he's mad Pekora teabagged Gura for all of 2021

Last Samurai still seethe about this

>>15930104
How about average CCV then?
This doesn't even take peaks, it takes average of streams.

>>15930056
curb your polishness

I guess they are gonna move to twitch soon
https://www.twitch.tv/tsunomakiwatame_hololive

>>15930011
The cull doesn't behave like a stable cut. The variability and changing nature makes it pointless to use those numbers for anything besides establishing some context.

>>15930180
That has been around for at least a year and she hasn't used it

>>15930152

>>15929336
watame's phony is the first time i actually enjoyed listening to her covers

>>15930180
>we're sure she's great
You're damn right she is.

The 2022 January graph is going to be hilarious

>>15930153
Trimmed mean would probably be best to remove the worst outliers from the bottom and top of the data set. Can you do one that trims the top 10% and bottom 10%? That should be more representative of her average performance for normal non-buff or debuff streams.

>>15929604
they said the same thing in 2020

>>15930056
>live viewers
>Can't count it live

>>15930232
Based

>>15930152
oh no no no fellow Nousagi!! What happened? How did we let our queen Pekora lose to a dumb smelly shark? How did the shark get so much more powerful than our rabbit.

oh no no no fellow Nousagi!!!

>>15930227
Specially if it gets fixed at some point

>>15930257
OH NO NO NO

I propose to call the /bait/ thread now