/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>1590849
The only meaningful "alternative" is Twitch, and it sucks harder than YouTube.

>>1590849
I hate that YouTube recommends me doxxing videos just because I watch Hololive.
Alternatives are far worse.

>>1591263
>>1591307
I know, we are stuck with a shitty platform...

>>1590849
>youtube has temporary technical problem
>twitch bans you indefinitely because you accidentally showed a horse dick gif
I know which one I prefer.

How about we all go to bilibili?

>>1591584

>>1590849
Were only seaniggers and japs having problems? I had 0 problems while all of chat kept whining. Is everyone that's complaining on /vt/ today a confirmed seanigger?

>>1591642
I'm from EU and I had problems with Sora, but not with Luna or azki. It's weird.

Can Cover create their own website?

>>1591760
Yes but the development costs and hosting probably won't offset the increased profit margins on SCs/memberships.

>>1590849
I mean, there's mildom

>>1591729
EU only seemed to have problems with Sora, Moona and Flare. Everything else was fine

>>1591263
Twitch has better functionality and actually is a great way to grow the brand.

>>1591584
Sure, take back Aqua the nigger of Hololive for us.

>>1592407
Does Cover have the knowledge of twitch sponsorships and partnerships?

There's not really an alternative that both has the same scope as YouTube and is better for content creators.

YT sucks but sadly there's no real alternative. Twitch is a whole different monster rife with it's own issues that I wouldn't wish on anyone. Any other platform would see a massive drop in viewership.

>>1592612
No, they're incompetent and don't deserve the girls.

>>1592116
They probably would but they won't because small tech company.

>>1592650
>witch is a whole different monster rife with it's own issues that I wouldn't wish on anyone
Such as? You're being awfully vague here.

What if hololive made their own platform?

>>1592716
Not OP but Twitch keeps changing weird guidelines and their filters are bullshit. Lately it seems the chats are banning the word "mofu" (probably because it sounds like mofo) and "hoshi" for whatever god forsaken reason. And this without mentioning their "woke" culture.

>>1592716
Their mods are absolutely horrible and once accidentally banned a streamer. You get banned for playing microseconds of copyrighted music. Twitch culture in general is absolutely awful. Titty streamers are allowed.

>>1592742
japan has twicas which is a popular streaming site. cover would be able to work with them.

>>1592812
also forgot to mention that they ban stuff like pogchamp.

>>1592797
>muh woke culture
Oh fuck off. That's a bullshit excuse. Money and a better quality of streaming is better for all parties involved and that's all that matters.

>>1592827
Which is region-locked and will alienate roughly 75% of the current fanbase of Hololive. They need to go fully global if they want to survive, but knowing how incompetent Cover is they won't.

>>1592797
>>1592812
Which of these apply to vtubers? I admit I dont watch regularly or for even more than 20min at a time but none of these things affect the host in anyway. They just might annoy a small subset of viewers.

>>1592952
Sadly everything. I spend a lot of time on twitch and when long-standing streamers tell how they are afraid of their well-being I get scared for holos.

>>1590849
this fucking day

>>1592870
hole en can stay on youtube. jp and en dont really need to share the same platform, marketing and fanbase wise.

>>1593044

>>1593037
Twitch partners always complain about this kinda stuff and yet I have yet to see anyone get demonetized or penalized in anyway. Im starting to think its a way to gain sympathy points and subs since all streamers know they'll burn out eventually.

>>1593044
Luna... She had so many issues today and got sad. I hope she can deliver tomorrow.

>>1593093
Dr. Disrespect one of the largest twitch streamers got banned for no reason. Also he personally still doesn't know. If you can get banned for no reason out of nowhere you get scared.

I wonder how current big streamers on Twitch would feel if Cover migrated their talent over. They certainly get a different type of fanbase than people who watch streams on YT, but I also never hear about vtubers on Twitch at all. Seeing Miko getting 13k+ viewers on her Twitch stream today actually shocked me when all she was playing was Minecraft. Do you think they could just overthrow the current Twitch meta that way?

>>1593182
> banned for no reason
Bro he was banned for breaking a non-competition agreement its as simple as that.

>>1593294
>Do you think they could just overthrow the current Twitch meta that way?
Definitely. Twitch would change and would probably introduce new rules regarding vtubing. A lot of copycats would come out of the shadows tho.

>>1593338
He said it's a different reason tho.
https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/why-was-dr-disrespect-banned-on-twitch-everything-you-need-to-know-1385549/

Twitch is as bad as Youtube, though the most likely for big vtubers to branch off to (Miko already, Kizuna AI will be using it for an upcoming event)
Nico Nico is as bad as Youtube
Facebook Live is Facebook so likely no better than Youtube or Twitch
bilibili has a worse VOD system than Twitch and isn't user friendly; also hololive is obv never coming back there
7.Live idk how to even find VODs, maybe I'm just bad at using it
Weibo is Chinese and also not user friendly; it's just worse bilibili
Mirratv is awful, there's no VOD system whatsoever from what I can tell
Openrec every vtuber left years ago and VODs expire like Twitch
Showroom's VOD system is better than Mirratv but worse than Twitch and bilibili
Mildom is also not great VOD wise, I think it only lets you play the most recent stream afaik
Any other alternatives are irrelevant in the vtuber scene and would be way less viewership and profit, even some of these would lead to that.
Twitch, love it, hate it, or love it and hate it, is probably the best alternative, and works well using alongside Youtube. Best as in it can give high levels of viewership and profits similar to Youtube, and it's user friendly enough that it's easy for both Japanese and English audiences to use it (for example, I watch a popular Korean vtuber on Twitch that hasn't have a single EOP in chat whenever I've watched her). Overall Youtube still seems like it will stay the place everyone goes to to target multiple demographics and get a lot of reach, especially due to the advantage of VOD storage, stream clips and original videos that Twitch is inferior in regards to. So will it replace Youtube? No way in hell, but it may become something more big JP VTubers stream on as an alternative to YT (which they'll still use). A lot of the more successful Twitch vtubers also have YT channels so I don't think it's a one or the other thing.

>>1593294
They would wreck charts

>>1593411
*and I haven't seen a single

>>1593435
Migo was the largest in the Minecraft category.

2600 viewers places you in a top 7% of channels on Twitch
https://sullygnome.com/channels/365/viewerdistribution

>>1593547
That means the lowest holo streamers are still higher than most of twitch.

>>1593119
Time for her to make a Twitch account!

>>1593294
Absolutely. Just think of the new opportunities that could come by doing that. There's necessary sacrifices, but after YouTube's repeated demontizations and shadowbans, Miko's stream today proved just that. She should move there full time and I think Korone as well would be perfect for Twitch.

>>1593435
Bro imagine Kuzuha on Twitch.

>>1593489
She just wasn't streaming at the same time as the current kings of Twitch, the british zoomers. They get 200k viewers on a bad day.

>>1592407
how people deal with the lack of archive on twitch?

>>1594490
Clips and re-uploading to YT 2 weeks later. It's perfectly workable.

>>1594490
Upload their VODs to Youtube.

Ok hear me
How about 4chan... but for content creators?

>>1594554
What?
You're aware that content creators already use 4chan, right?

>>1594554
Low key, I'd be down for that

>>1594554
How... would that work?

>>1594554
This makes no sense. An anonymous forum for a small handful of people, it would be easy to know who is who.

>>1592612
Probably no, but you might be the change by emailing them or DMing the reddit mod

>>1592612
Cover is incompetent and refuses to look at ways to completely grow their brand by catering only to otaku faggots.

>>1590849
Opinions on Openrec?

>>1592407
Stop posting here shill

>>1593182
>banned for no reason.
He literally went into a public bathroom and started streaming while a bunch random guys were taking a piss lmao

>>1594876
Fuck off Silicon Valley bootlicker. I will make myself known until Hololive fully moves to Twitch and understands the benefits are too good to pass up on.

>>1594891
Getting screeched at and called pedophiles because they use anime avatars isn't a benefit, twitch hates non-western cultures

>>1594979
Twitch loves anime and other nip shit, what the fuck are you on? Did you not see 14,000 people watch Miko today?

>>1594554
I mean some of the best content creators today have previously lurked or posted on 4chan.

>>1594979
>called pedophiles because they use anime avatars isn't a benefit,
You make it seems like this doesn't happen all the time on youtube anyways
>twitch hates non-western cultures
Twitch literally had partnership deal with CR where they publicly streamed a bunch of subbed anime like dragon maid, kemono friends, yuri on ice, mob psycho, and new game. they love weeb shit there
One of the biggest japanese streamers, streams on twitch

>>1594979
retard
>>1595016
not as retard

>>1592407
Only burgers use twitch. It will stunt their growth

Twitch is a bad alternative
>insular, specific community
>discoverability sucks
>dmca means no karaoke streams or even watching certain videos
>draconian moderation

>>1592407
>twitch
>"great way to grow"
>click on browse channels
>most popular streams at the top
>force myself to scroll and load all the cookie cutter low viewer streams to find someone that MIGHT have potential
>no promotion of small channels anywhere on the site
>small streamers are forced to leech to grow like mizkif and greekgodx
>20 threads constantly about kiara 'leeching'

yeah ok

>>1595410
Necessary sacrifices. Think of the financial gains and more user friendly payouts + no tax on foreign content creators.
>>1595585
Waste of a Sheeppost.

>>1593435
Twitchbros we kneeeel.

>>1593435
Korone would get 20K if she moved to Twitch overnight.

I. Am. Erect. We fucking won Twitchbros.

>>1593435
>aging geriatric wow player
>61k viewers
Don't look numberbros

>>1596152
Now imagine Kuzuha on Twitch, bro

wasn't online for the last 6 hours. What'd I miss? Youtube fucking up? Miko streaming on Twitch?

>>1595585
imagine a holo getting raided by an LSF streamer

>>1596162
but kuzuha is not aging or geriatric. his girlfriend is kinda getting there.

>>1593435
>guy literally sleeping had 34k viewers
Wtf

>>1596196
That'd be pretty based ngl, it's all in good fun, bro.

i want my oshi to stream hitler speeches in bitchute! (when its actually a feature)

>>1596342
What would be the Japanese equivalent of Hitler speeches?

>Holos switch to Twitch
>It's the one site that constantly tries to thwart adblock
>Ads are consistently 15-30 seconds with no way to skip

>>1596169
Dunno about Miko streaming Twitch. But Youtube apparantly was struggling this morning. I didn't notice anything, but I saw people on the Global thread and the Sora thread talking about it earlier.

>>1596365
yukio mishima

>>1596402

>>1596402
>Ideologically, Mishima was a right-winger who extolled the traditional culture and spirit of Japan. He opposed what he saw as western-style materialism, along with Japan's postwar democracy, globalism, and communism, worrying that by embracing these ideas the Japanese people would lose their "national essence" (kokutai) and their distinctive cultural heritage (Shinto and Yamato-damashii) to become a "rootless" people.
Dare I say based?

>>1596240
It's a mediashare stream, so it's basically a "watch random youtube videos with chat" stream

>>1596152
>balding
>boomer tier personality
>playing wow in 2021
>quits when he feel like it
How does he do it? Can other holos learn from him?

>>1592870
Twitcast isn't region blocked. it is however an old and dying site with a bunch of shitty mechanics (viewers have to pay for streams to be longer than 30 minutes for example) and the donation method is a scam (there are a lot of donation items but 95% are on screen cosmetics and donate to the site rather than the streamer). another problem also is that the stream chat shits itself once you get past ~700 people chatting during a stream
>>1594784
several Holos have OpenRec accounts but there's a reason they no longer us it. it's like Twitch but without the server infrastructure to back it up

>>1596432
He was quite literally a gay larper who groomed a bunch of kids, tried to pull a coup with them at the equivalent of a small national guard facility, got laughed at, then killed himself.

>>1596432
Loses points for being a "right-winger" but other than that, based.

The Asian nations should have never adopted any of the western political/economic ideologies for their societies. Both China and Korea are split between two illegitimate governments, Japan Mishima covered already, and all the southeast Asian countries are just victims of Western imperialism.

>>1596630
No surprises there but still, great politics.
>>1596649
In western politics there are officially only two sides so I guess Wikipedia had to pick one.

>>1590849
pornhub

>>1596603
I use twitch and the chat is fine even with 70k people chatting, you just have to learn to read it

>>1596649
Blame that on the americans that basically made japan a puppet state with Douglas MacArthur as the man who installed democracy into every single point of japanese goverment.

>>1591760
No. Even Microsoft with essentially infinite resources bowed out with Mixer. Hell even Facebooks streaming service pulls in lower views than Holostars.

>>1596804
I do blame America. Honestly, wiping America from existence would solve 95% of the world's problems.

>>1596603
>s (viewers have to pay for streams to be longer than 30 minutes for example)

isnt that your shitty schizo rrat. also the others are too

i dont research the details but theres no quote like that on any jp site.

bitwave

>>1596581
He doesn't actually quit WoW for more than a short period of time. Streamer or not, that guy is addicted to the game. I guess his viewers relate to that.

>>1597219
>I guess his viewers relate to that.
Oh yes they do.

>>1595107
Ah yes CR! ...A Californian-based company. Again. They hate non-western cultures, a western company is indeed still western culture.

>>1597219
Yeah he has been playing wow since vanilla non stop. Crazy amount of devotion for a game.

>>1597261
He also never washes his hands...

>>1597261
I had a week off work when Classic WoW came out, and I decided to try it out (Played vanilla to wrath, and quit because I grew out of MMOs). I forgot how much of the WoW community are manchildren, and that piss bottles and poop socks aren't just a joke.

>>1596967
read up how twitcast works before you talk about it, faggot

>>1597409
Tbc classic incoming as well, kek.

>>1596967
>>1597559
samefagging because I forgot the second half, there's a a reason the green tea items (96 x 10 pack, 8 x 50 pack, 12 x 100 pack, 21 x 1 pack) are the most numerous items - those are the only items that directly go to the streamer. the others are on screen effects that can be toggled on and off in settings, the streamer doesn't get any percentage of that.

>>1597626
My one month adventure into classic [vanilla] was enough of a nostalgia trip, and realization that I rather spend my free time doing other shit. Like Japanese reps, vtubers, and art.

Why can't Cover just stream on Pornhub?

>>1597717
Coincidentally only the first month of Classic was fun. Now the game is pretty much dead except for a few people at the top trying their hardest to push their DPS numbers higher than last week.

>>1597766
As a past tryhard raider more than 5-6 years ago as this time, I can see the appeal of that for say modern WoW or XIV or whatever new MMO you fancy. I don't get it for Classic WoW because it's ancient encounters. At this time, go into singleplayer speedrunning if you want to do get that type of enjoyment.

>>1597766
Wow classic was not really an rpg or thst much of an mmo. It was more like a linear expirience where if you got enough stuff you log in to do a raid and leave. It also died as soon as naxx was released. Its weird. Idk how to describe it.